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What The Legend of Zelda Could Have Been | Gnoggin x HMK
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- Опубликовано: 17 авг 2024
- Before you think this is just another video listing off cut content, sssstop it! this is a similar, yet very different project entirely.
The Legend of Zelda franchise has gone through a lot of betas and cut content, but what if that content hadn't been cut? what could have the various Zelda games have been like? and how would that have effected the franchise as a whole?
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Outro Music IS 'Hyrulian' by DJPretzel
Other music is official music from the OST of the game talked about.
Thumbnail images are by Zelda-Redesigned on DeviantArt, or are official images.
Amazing Work Gnoggin! Real pleasure working with you!
+HMK rabbidluigi AND gnoggin....really HMK
+HMK my man HMK is here tho :D
+HMK Your Username is my initials.XD
+HMK bruh it's HMK! I have a question. Who is your favorite chrno trigger party member?
+SMG4Fan9001 i think i may have met you in a club
is your name Holy Moses Kennedy?
Ganon: It's dangerous to go alone...take this!
You got the Triforce of Power!
Old Man: It's dangerous to go alone... take this!
Mable: GRAPPLING HOOK!
ha ha lol
+Viro Veteruscy YESH
***** really I saw that episode thought it was okay, skipped Gobblewonker, and luckily stumbled on headhunters and now I'm in love
LOL
hahahaXD
I think you forgot the cut dungeon from Ocarina of Time
One of my pitches for The Legend of Zelda, that I did on my channel was something like Samurai Jack, where the first part of the game would be in a normal looking Zelda game, but unlike most Zelda games, you do fight Ganon, and nearly defeat him, but you are sent to a future steam-punk world, it was a idea I come up with.
It's worth noting that in Minish Cap, there were all 3 Oracles, and you could build them houses, but only two. And the houses that DO get built are red and blue. The third, green house doesn't ever get built. And when they moved in, they would give Link charms that would change his color to look like the 4 swords links, with Red increasing power, blue increasing defense, and purple doing a bit of both.
+Daniel Lawson This likely represents the third Oracle game never getting finished.
+Daniel Lawson I find it funny how whenever there's multiple colors involved in Zelda, Green is almost always the least valuable, despite being directly connected with *courage;* Link's main "element". That's basically like a Charizard using Hydro Pump instead of Fire Blast because it illogically does more damage.
+Locke Silvrel I call game genie/gameshark/action replay hax.
Oh Gen 1 glitches. LOL.
hmk is awsome
The boomerang of evil's bane CONFIRMED!
+George Cataloni Evil's Banerang!
+zippo504 Banerang has to be the next Batman villain
+ᑭᗝ††ᕮᖇϟᓰᒪᒪᗩ ᔕᕮᖇᓰᕮᔕ Just when you think he's dead, he comes right back.
Tornait You're my new favorite person
link's awakening boomerang
Man you are filling my heard with all the Zelda Love....how going must I wait for twilight princess HD
+Bird Keeper Toby YOU HAVE TO WAIT FOR IT GODDAMNIT
WE ALL HAVE TO DO IT
its already out birdkeepertoby get it
wats up toby! i just watched one of your videos! im a pokemon master! 😆
Back when he posted it, it wasn't out yet.
twilight princess music got me a nostalgia trip
how to do a "future zelda game"
1° 1/3 of the game: link fights the convencional way probably with magic as a bonus, ganon gets "sealed" for X centuries.
2° 1/3 of the game:(future) link OR unrelated hero fights in a "final fantasy 7 like future" and finds the history of zelda/link/mastersowrd and thinks of using the master sword to protect his world BUT by taking X magic item BOTH link and ganon get released for they were in a "sealed duel in a can"
3° 1/3 of the game both heroes fight both villians, link gets some "tech upgrades" and the "future hero" gets "magic upgrades"
and face both villains.
done no time travel just a hero finding a new way to stop evil. add some funny shenanigans about "future zelda" finding one of them cute but never saying witch one and done.
If the multiverse theory is correct, God willing, there could be at least one universe where all this cut content remained.
+Teenkitsune I would prefer if it wasn't as it would render our individual choices meaningless because it would mean that every possibility would manifest regardless of our actions, rendering us ultimately impotent. Philosophically speaking, it's disconcerting.
Although, hopefully Nintendo do have all this cut content stashed away somewhere for future use. They kept the time travel mechanic for later games so maybe they have a few more on the side? Personally, I'd love to see the ageing mechanic be implemented, that concept art looked really cool.
Stephen O'Brien
I get what you're saying, but I don't see it that way, I don't see that as another me but rather as something akin to clones but without science. Plus I want there to be alternate universes because I want there to be like a fantasy realm or something that we don't see in our universe. But that's just me.
Teenkitsune Interesting perspective. Yeah a fantasy realm would be awesome-in theory...until you realise that fighting Aquamentis isn't as easy as Link made it look XD and don't get me started on a real-life Armogohma! *shudders*..In saying that though I'd love to quest with a real-life Navi.
Stephen O'Brien
There are more fantasy worlds than Hyrule, you know.
Teenkitsune True, I guess I've been a little narrow minded there.
What if the 3 CDi Zelda games were good?
+Michael Wolfe Then you'd be stating what should be an obvious fact. Why do you ask?
Mr. Pokirby If they had succeeded how would they have influenced future games in the series? Would Nintendo and Phillips have joined forces? Would this have affected the development of games in other series?
Michael Wolfe They _did_ succeed...
+Mr. Pokirby Compared to the rest of the CDi library they succeeded, but compared to Zelda games made by Nintendo, they were terrible. If you mean they are so bad they're good, that's one thing but to just say they're good would be a stretch.
+Michael Wolfe then Nintendo wouldn't have broke their deal with Philips.
A ageing Link?! Knowing I take forever to complete the game so I would complete as a old man or died of old age :(
Ashton Vicci same
The overlord boomerang XD
+Gustav Andersson yea lol why not have a master boomerang that looks like the hilt of the master sword
+David McDonald that would be pretty great
+David McDonald Maybe that is where the wing motif came in, like maybe we needed to upgrade to the master boomerang and master sword, to combine them into the true Master Sword or Fi.
RZ ohhhhh cool idea
+Gustav Andersson Or possibly one master BLADE, which swaps between sword and boomerang!
"We are totally here together in person, no green screens involved"
"The great Goddess Hylia brought Hyrule into the air similarly to Wind Waker except with air instead of water."
Great, because that's what we need. Another fork in the timeline to complicate it even further.
+Aura Fox Nope, no fork this time. That's the earliest point in the timeline.
Banchoking But the proposed idea is that there would have been a second split in the timeline, one where the world was flooded and one where Hyrule was lifted into the air.
Aura Fox No, he was drawing a comparison between two events that happened at separate points, saying how similar they are.
Ganon didn't exist when Hyrule was lifted into the air.
+Aura Fox Well if you watched HMK's theories about the new Zelda Wii U.. its already happening
+Aura Fox Would make it a true fork, with four tines. xD
(except it probably wouldn't branch off at OoT like the others, so it'd just be a really weird-looking fork. lol)
There's also the cut Magic Meter from Twilight Princess, which would have been used for Fire Arrows (another piece if scrapped content) and, apparently, the Wolf transformation. It's featured on a screenshot on the back of the box, and Green Chu can be obtained in the Wii version, although it does nothing.
Why the fuck does everyone forgot about minish cap seriously its the best hand held zelda
+Alden Grant
I'm overjoyed that you speak the words of truth. Let it be known that Minish Cap is the best 2D legend of zelda game and always will be.
That's an opinion. =)
Also there probably wasn't any important info from Minish Cap that would "change Zelda forever."
+Alden Grant Maybe it doesn't have enough cut content for speculation, either? Just a guess, though.
+Alden Grant Link's Awakening is the best handheld Zelda. Then Spirit Tracks, A Link Between Worlds and THEN Minish Cap
crash979797
You're odd.
How cool would be a steampunk Zelda?! Hell yes! \m/-
+ADE Marc Alexander Spirit Tracks ?
ᑭᗝ††ᕮᖇϟᓰᒪᒪᗩ ᔕᕮᖇᓰᕮᔕ: oh no mate, that crappy game had barely any connection to the steampunk style... I meant a game in the style of the concept art from the video!
ADE Marc Alexander Crappy game, fuck off ! It's the best DS Zelda game ! It's great !
ᑭᗝ††ᕮᖇϟᓰᒪᒪᗩ ᔕᕮᖇᓰᕮᔕ Niaaa, didn't like it all. It's one of my least favorite Zelda games so far. Although "crappy" might have been too much, I give you that.
+ADE Marc Alexander If they had gone that route, I think the official Zelda timeline would have become a circle, with the future we screwed with being the advanced civilization seen in Skyward.
The reason the "save anywhere" feature was removed from Majora's Mask was to avoid someone saving in a position where they couldn't beat the game. Such as saving when there's 2 seconds left before the moon landing.
Someone from Nintendo (Yoshiaki Koizumi?) said that saving anywhere was removed from Majora's Mask because the developers found that it was easy to save at really inopportune times.
The ability to save anywhere in Majora's Mask was probably removed in order to avoid situations you couldn't escape, such as saving 1 second before the moon falls. Plus it fits better with the idea that anything you do during the three days is gonna be reseted.
I saw this collab coming once I saw both of your update videos and saw "Zelda and Kingdom Hearts collab"
preach
+Christopher Hayes lol
+Christopher Hayes GANON PUNCH!
gnoggin x hmk!? there was a rabbidluigi x hmk, SO IS IT PROVEN THAT THERE WILL BE A gnoggin x rabbidluigi!?
or can be?
Love how you say during the Wind Waker mechanic regarding an aging Link "A future title may use this, and it'd be so cool!" when in fact there's already a title that's been there and done that. Also, Alttp does not travel through time, just thought you should know.
"Almost looking like a post apocalyptic Hyrule"
Breath of the Wild yo!
and of course, just like always, they forgot minish cap. everyone always forgets minish cap.
Removing the save anywhere feature was probably removed to make the game more challenging, making the player push forward to the next save point or hiking back to a spot after dying, making death more punishing
6:31 Two words: Farore's Wind.
Seriously, Zeldas are known to be strong magic users yet you're telling me she couldn't have just teleported out of prison while Shiek's ninja skills _could_ get her out?
I don't think Sheik was cut content in ZTP... I think you got that one confused. I'm pretty sure that concept are was made by the ZTP crew just so it could be used for smash bros.
Wow, Link traveling to the future? That sounds like an amazing twist for a new game, and it would have totally changed the direction of the story as a whole. There would be games with a Terminator-like theme, where Ganon sends creatures armed with future tech to destroy Link as a kid. There would be games like Back to the Future, where Link goes to the past and has to correct a mistake that changed the future (though he kinda did that in Oracle of Ages). There might even be games like Doctor Who, where multiple versions of Link (and probably Ganon and Zelda) battle side by side. And that's just because of time travel - what about advances in technology, coupled with advances in magic (manna? must be a Final Fantasy thing) creating to some kind of magic-based AI. I could go on and on and on about what could have been... but IMO the best version of Zelda is what it is today.
an aging mechanic that works off of days; the faster you get stuff done the younger you are when you fight Ganondorf, the more side quests you do first means you'll be older because the days go by on a set schedule (like 25 mins per day or something) but then there'd be dying of old age which would SUCK
The save function in Majora's Mask was altered because the game wasn't able to save all the individual states required as a full save file, only key data such as the masks and items collected. The original Japanese version did not have the Owl statue saving functionality, instead, there were three save slots. The Owl Save was added as a snapshot of the N64's RAM at the time of saving, which was immediately cleared upon the save being loaded. This meant one save slot had to be removed in order to allocate the space for the RAM dump.
18:02 am i the only one who noticed Gnoggin used parts of Solid Snake's suit to make that futuristic Link? xD
I've heard A Link to the Past was originally gonna have multiple playable characters that would follow you around like in an rpg. I feel like that could have completely changed the course of the franchise had that idea been implemented and been successful.
Nice new way of the "cut content" approach, spiced with some ideas (oh I do still miss Mystical seed of Courage, the oracle games are beautiful hidden gems, pleas Nintendo, why can't you just bring a remake Trilogy pack...). Though honestly, I wouldn't want my fantastic Zelda go to a post apocalyptic fallout way or so. It fills it's Fantasy place just perfectly as is.
do you guys know what you've done? you have changed the timeline immensely! so now, we have skyward sword, then windwaker, then the ocarina of time, then majoras mask, finally the twilight princess! all on the same line of time!
with all the overhauling they have been doing, we might get to see these cut contents reemerge in a new zelda game. Personally I would want spellblade link and the time travel to the future to come in one game. It would be great to show the differences between magic and science since those are both complete opposites, revamped the boomerang and other classic items like it would have been in that cut content, example: overlord boomerang, primal bomb, encompassing hookshot, etc, bring back Midna, the twili, the loftwings, and Fi and we will be golden.
it Would've Been Really Cool Had Nintendo Been Able to Make The Mystical Seed of Courage,But I Can Completely Understand Why They Didn't
That really explains why most Zelda games reference a now fallen, technologically advanced culture. Thank you Lockstin for answering that long standing question!
Can you imagine... BotW didn’t exist at this time... They didn’t know the pain that is:
_R A I N_
I, for one, am glad that they cut all the different magic arrows in OoT :) Magic, while having a place, shouldn't play the main role in a Zelda game. Link is always portrayed as a master swordsman, not as a magic wielder :)
Actually the majoras mask save decision was talked about in a panel with sakurai, he stated that the owl statue save mechanic was actually one the last features implemented. During alpha testing of the game the devs found that having the ability to save anywhere actually opened so pretty large game skips as you could save in one map, play the song of time, reload your file, and end the game would see both datas coinciding and load you on the first day in that map. Which on the surface doesn't sound like it could break anything but for whatever the reason there we're alot of glitches and so since the owl statues were already implemented as waypoints with which you could travel and were scattered frequently, it was the fasted fix they could get to just add the save mechanic and paste it on the already present statues.
+Boris Rupe how wood skauria know hw not the maker fo the zelda
For ageing link they could have him traveling through dungeons to learn skill from a master or something at the end of the dungeons and shows him studying the skills or items.
yo i saw both these vids posted one after another in my feed, thought it was strange that it was similar concept, got home and saw them collabing. All I got to say is this is pretty cool, love u both lol.
that saving anywhere and save points in majoras mask brings a question to mind not brought up. how will the player be able to save his progress in breath of the wild; also there is this too; how will link power up and gain more life hearts? this has eluded me in other videos, so if you know, then tell me please. thank you
I liked this. You should do this with other series.
Just imagine, Nintendo takes what they've learned from Breath of the Wild, looks back on some of their ideas in their older games, and put effort into putting the pieces together.... imagine the Zelda game that would come out of this....
After thinking about it for a minute, i'm kind of glad futuristic link was scrapped. As cool as it sounds, the Zelda Universe as we know it wouldn't exist; though I am REALLY hoping they explore this reality in the new Zelda Wii U.
And in a way, a Link with super futuristic weapons and time traveling powers and such just seems really Final Fantasy/Kingdom Hearts-y.
13:55 "The Oracles games are often forgotten"
17:00 Forgot about Oracle of Ages, where Link does travel between 2 times....
looking at this it seems you glossed over a big one in the land below the sea. that was supposed to be much bigger than it wound up being, which would have set up the whole sealed hyrule you speculated about in the tp section
I always felt like there was something missing from Zelda in Twilight Princess... would have given Zelda more of a role in the game if Sheik wasn't cut.
I never even thought of a collaboration between you and HMK, but it was definitely a good thing. I'm only 2 minutes into the video and I am already excited.
It's great to watch these videos later on in the future to see how many theories actually came true. I wonder what the game after BoTW will bring to the lore...
This is a really good video idea, especially how y'all didn't go in order of the games. Ending with the 1st Zelda was an interesting idea that I would like to see happen in a similar way if you did other gaming franchises
It’s hilarious that he referred to a guardian as a hermit crab.
I will never understand this concept that Shiek is a completely separate consciousness with "his" own skills and abilities. "Shiek" is not even a person, it's an illusion. Zelda herself has those skills, clearly learned from Impa in the 7 years after they escaped. It is a little ridiculous that she decides to stop using them the minute she drops the facade, but if I had to guess, it's really hard to pull ninja maneuvers in a long-ass skirt (Or, more likely, her character model probably didn't even have legs).
I guess that might have started all that "post-post apocalyptic hyrule" conspiracy.
I like it.
Technology so old that we think it's magic.
Sheik wasn't in twilight princess that concept art have the purpose of how sheik would look like in twilight princess to put it in smash
The Young Link mask in MM makes me think...
Perhaps there would be more sidequests, having to gain the people's trust after the Skull Kid had ruined your reputation pre-game. Skull Kid was having so much fun using this mask that he found lying around one day, that he decided to rob a traveling mask salesman, and take the coolest mask he had.
I suddenly imagine that Zelda U could actually have the guts to go ahead and do just that very thing at the end. It would be awesome.
8:20 Tricky? Dude, it's easy! Just have the game load a different model/animation set depending on what flags are activated, and unload the previous model/animation set when said flags are activated!
13:02 That EXPLAINS finaly why we have a weird Link-statue in Majoras mask that can be summoned with the other statues...because all those had masks that were used in the game,then again theiy were also dead...when given the mask,so that further supports the "Link is dead in majoras mask" theorie. Really intressting indeed.
Yeah and the “Mechanical Hermit Crabs” turned out to be the Guardians.
Theres no time travel in ALttP
If I remember right, the central theme in the third Oracle game was colors, as the the other Oracle games were centered around ages and seasons.
Fun Fact: Farore actually DID make it into the Oracle games, she was the Oracle of Secrets.
@Lockstin/Gnoggin
Hey Lockstin and HMK. Y'all completely forgot about the Unicorn Fountain in OOT and the blue fairy too. The light temple and sky temple in OOT that made is way to Twilight Princess.
another thing is this. have all the cut scenes and extras you mentioned for the ocarina of time being cut come into its re-release? I have noticed that that newer version of the game had lots of things the original didn't have. so am I right in guessing they actually did it right and brought the game into its full version? Yo know doing for the new what was not possible for the older?
When I saw the title I thought this was going to be a 20 minute long video about you saying what you thought Zelda games did bad and your ideas were better. Thank god that's not the case
8:48 Looks like we basically got this in the form of Tarrey Town in BoTW
I'd be cool with a more futuristic Zelda, so long as it retained the same charm of the rest of the series.
The Sheik theory at 6:15 I don't think is quite true. In Hyrule Hystoria, it was stated that the plans for Sheik were drawn to see what the TP Zelda would look like if she transformed for Super Smash Brothers Brawl, to keep the moveset of her original counterpart.
A good saving function in MM would have made the side quests too easy. Screwed up helping Kafei get his mask back? Reload to five minutes ago instead of having to redo the entire quest to get to that one crucial point. There's a lot more time based quests in the game and to be able to reload five minutes prior to your one screw up would have potentially cut down on play through times, especially the first time. Though in the remake, it's made a LOT more convenient.
It could have been possible that a lot of the Ocarina cut content was going to be brought in through Ura Zelda, the ocarina expansion pack Miyamoto originally wanted to create.
I'm down for a 'Link to the Future' I have on numerous occasions told freinds that eventually Link needs to have a game far enough in the future that its a crossover with Metroid. Both have exploration as a key element with inventory being the gating mechanism. Both have a grappling hook. Both have birds being reltavily staple iconic wiseman specices.
Imagine a powersuit stylized on Link's green tunic with an emphasis on melee combat as opposed to ranged. Finding relics left by cucco/occa/owl like chozo to augment the suit with running boots, throwing an arcing blade that returns, firing powerful lazers from his energyblade... etc.etc.etc.
Saving anywhere isn't a "better" saving system. Especially not for a game like Majora's Mask. The longer the distance between save points, the higher the stakes for dying. So, if you could save anywhere, there would be virtually no progress lost. And that influences how you play. Enemies aren't scary when the only thing they can do is set you back a minute.
Wouldn't it be fun if they actually used the Goron golem in the HD release?
19:48
THAT explains the background having KH pics as well -a-
Man, how dark would Wind Waker have been if Link's sister had been Ganondorf's prisoner for YEARS?
Honestly, Spellsword!Link would have been one of the GREATEST IDEAS EVER. NINTENDO, You've already got Link using elemental arrows and the sword beam/Skyward Strike! YOU CAN COMBINE THESE IDEAS WITH THE RIGHT SETTING! IT'LL BE SO AWESOME!
Yes! Yes! Yes! I am so glad you guys added the Oracle games. They are some of the best Zelda games in my opinion, and any Zelda fan who hasn't played them absolutely should if they can. I guarantee you won't regret it.
That going into the future mechanic definatly is something TrailerDrake on the Game Theorists channel would have loved.
The Oracle section definitely needs the cut game to be restored
What if Zelda U/NX takes place in a time where the more urban parts of Hyrule are futuristic, but the more rural parts are the traditional version of Zelda?
I do like the technology in the Zelda games but a whole futuristic setting ?!? That wouldn't fit
Awesome video, it was very comprehensive and well made. Also you've got a nice Mohawk HMK.
I am assuming they didn't use the Young Link mask in MM for those story plot reasons because that would contradict the fact that Majora's Mask was really behind Skull Kid's bad deeds.
Considering Tingle is supposed to be a parody of Link, I think the "fat Linebeck/Tingle-powered boat" would have been a mobile/recurring event. The Tingles, ofc, are Link parodies, while the "fat Linebeck" was a Linebeck parody.
Of course, I STILL don't think it would have been a good idea. Tingle was bad enough, and the Linebeck we got was already annoying. More Tingle and an even MORE annoying Linebeck would have just been awful.
I think it got cut because they had a slightly more original idea for the "parody ship". I think it was in the northwest quadrant was a battle school with a bunch fighters dressed like Link. You fight them for stuff. So yeah, I think that place replaced that thing.
Another fact about shiek is that her unused model for twilight princess ended up being used for her model in super smash bros brawl
How could you forget about Link's Crossbow Training?
He was gonna go to the future & get a fregen gun!
Science-Fantasy, Arcanepunk Zelda...I need this now. Of all the things that might have been, this is the one that most wish would have. It would have changed so much not just in the franchise but the world.
It would be cool to see the time travel idea they planed in the original LoZ, but why not try it backwards? Have Link saving Hyrule, but he would have to go back in time to solve puzzles and to fight enemies. Think about it, Link comes across a canyon and is to far to jump or that he needs a plant that doesn't exist anymore, he can travel back and do what he needs, then comes back to the future. Or to deliver a message to a village or a previous Zelda and worn them about something bad, think of the possibilities!
Sheik was never planned to be in Twilight Princess, that artwork is for Smash Bros. Sakurai requested it to match the other Twilight Princess characters in Brawl.
+Gnoggin
Makes me think, what would you think if you started a Legend of Zelda, with a full powered Link having everything you would normally have at the end of the game Master Sword, the various items making your way through to Gannon and when you fight him, you lose and watch as for the first time Link loses and dies resulting in the game continuing with the next incarnation of Link starting from a oppressed world ruled by Gannon and seeking the new wielder of the Triforce of Courage.
When I was a kid I always wondered how to unlock the old man offering the boomerang with the sword... little did I know.
I think Gnoggin should be part of Normal Boots.
Shiek wasn't planned for twilight princess. Nintendo wanted to know what Shiek would look like in TP so they could put him in Super Smash Bros Brawl.
"...With lots of hot springs."
*kid icarus uprising kicking in*
I want this to be a series!