Top 10 Zelda Theories | Gnoggin Feat. Dr. Wily
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- Опубликовано: 14 сен 2016
- Because top 10 lists and arrows in the thumbnail haven't been done enough on RUclips, Lockstin and Zelda expert Dr. Wily list 10 Zelda Theories in 12 minutes. Some of them are clearly better than others.
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I always thought that Dragon Roost Island being Death mountain was canon and obvious, not theory worthy.
Me too
Considering that all islands in Wind Waker used to be top of mountains yes it is preatty much cannon.
same
likewise.
its still technically a theory just a very likelly theory. but i agree that its pretty obvious (despite me not actually making the connection before today).
Navi leaving was more of a symbolic event to show Links maturity, and because Link was never a Kokiri, they could never remain together because of some fairies code. After everything Link had achieved, she knew he had outgrown her, and fulfilled her promise to the Deku tree to help him become a hero.
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Yea that makes sense
So 2 of my favorite u tubers, doing my 3rd favorite series's......... mwarf
Sarah F, your maturity suggests you need a fairy yourself.
yeah, fairies usually represents childhood innocence in fantasy histories
That one about the timeline being wrong is really dumb, because a multiverse doesn't disprove the timeline that's already established. All it did was say that there's MORE connections that can be created, but the devs decided to focus on the most important ones that mattered since they have games surrounding those times.
....come on son! who was the first person to think up that theory I want to laugh at them.
Pretty much everyone thought of this, it's like saying any timeline in any fiction is wrong simply because they don't explore every possibility at every freaking crossroad
Well matpat made a whole video about it so you could go watch it if you want
***** why would I want to watch it? if it's the same thing basically saying "the theory is wrong because there's MORE than those options" then it's not worth watching.
the fact of the matter is what runs through my head hearing this is "it's wrong because there's more possibilities than just those, meaning it's right, but because there's many other ones that are right, somehow that means those displayed are wrong"
at least that explanation made sense when i was thinking it.
And besides, there's no reason to trust MatPat with his "theories" anyway, since he doesn't bother explaining it in a manner where it could make sense.
Matpat's theory doesn't really say there's "more options", it says that the people who made the timeline got in the wrong order.
Link can't be dead in Majora's mask because he has to have children for twilight princess!
Also the reason the timeline is right is because they aren't showing the other possible timelines they are showing the more important parts of it.
Thank you! Finally someone else who wants to put this debunked theory to rest. (Also, I like how in the explanation of the Malon theory, they disprove the Link is Dead theory.)
Yea, they dont need to show every possible timeline because the games only fall into 3 of them
he also landed on a something witch is a big leaf and in the games If you land on it u won't take damage
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the link is dead theory can be proved wrong so easily just by the fact that tp link is his decendant
omg I haven't thought of it that way...or maybe they had $éx as kids(Ik I have a messed up head😯)
Melon may have been a necrophiliac? Dead link + magic = extra fertile zombie link... Who then became a specter or whatever in Twilight Princess.
The game mechanics only allow 1 heart ever taken from fall damage.
Theinsanegamer10 Reset to 3 hearts due to time travel (or being reset somehow as Link always starts with 3). 1 heart broken due to navi leaving, 1 heart lost from realizing that he forgot to say everything on his mind over the course of his adventure, and 1 heart lost due to the fall.
D Be uh, those represent his physical health, and he has never taken emotional damage. Not once in the entire series.
Why would you promote the "Link is Dead" theory in this list when the existence of the Hero of Twilight and Hero's Shade immediately debunks it? That theory should not be in a Top 10.
Kinda hard for the Hero of Twilight's ancestor to be a guy who died as a kid don't you think?
there are different timelines in the games its in the video
Elliot Katz Twilight Princess and Majora's Mask are both part of the Child Timeline, so again, Twilight Link can't be the ancestor of a dead child Link, can he? The Link from Majora's Mask is clearly alive because he had to grow up to have children and become the very adult-looking Hero's Shade.
He also states all Links are ancestors despite that being impossible in both the decline and adult timeline.
Plus if they reincarnate how does the hero's shade interact with TP Link? And during the original Zelda there are two living Zeldas right? Meaning they can't be reincarnations.
On top of that the species is called the Oocaa not the Oocoo and we basically see Link and Zelda create Hyrule at the end of SS.
Supaninjafication obviously the link from wind waker is not an ancestor. and the adult timeline people DEFINITELY arent because thats the timeline oot link died. im pretty sure theyre just connected thru the power of the triforce of courage. but not by blood. but the child timeline are all descendanta cuz link didnt die. just because he fell doesnt mean he died the guy just went thru a magical portal to an alternate dimension, we have no clue what happened on his way down. besides how would the mask salesman be there, no one who get to termina if they all died falling there 😂
Dominic Miller I know Link didn't die in MM as TP Link is his descendant but we can't know for sure if they are all descended in the child timeline unless it was mentioned in FSA and I don't think it was.
My point was that it is not a fact that they are all reincarnations of one another and I in fact think that it is impossible for that to be true.
Side note:
Link didn't die in the AT he just stopped existing. He failed in the decline timeline.
If Link died in Majora's Mask, why is the Hero's Shade an adult?
Hero's Shade is adult Link who stayed. The Link who chose to be a kid again died in MM.
There is no adult Link in the Adult timeline. The hero of time stayed in the child timeline.
no, because the "twilight princess" timeline is the one were link returns to his youth... he's definitely alive.
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I'm sort of ticked off because they didn't give any credit to GameTheory for the majoras mask one
Link cannot be dead in Majora's Mask for multiple reasons. First, the stages aren't the stages of death, but the five stages of grief; as in grieving for the loss of Navi. Secondly, Link is very young in Majora's Mask, so it's unlikely that he had children beforehand; however, the Hero of Twilight is a direct descendant of the Hero of Time. Thirdly, Link is shown in the lost woods riding away on Epona at the end of Majora's Mask; proving that he safely returned to Hyrule.
I literally hate every "it's a dream" theory. It's a cop out and not a real theory.
Sometimes, those theories turn out to be true.
Don't brush them off just for being themselves.
and it can be implied to any fiction. game of thrones. just a dream. it has the same amount of tits as one. dragon ball z. just a dream. there is no evidence it's not. bible. it's just a dream.
Nikke 2800 Not exactly. There's at least one way to prove that something fictional isn't a dream... Word of God. tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WordOfGod
Unless they have REALLY good backbone.
but its to op and its really hard to disprove
Dragon roost island is literally death mountain it's not just a theory.
Um - if it's not canon, as if they actually say that it is the same mountain, then it's a theory. Mostly because they say that all Hyrule is flooded, so there is a possibility that it isn't Death Mountain.
They state that Hyrule is flooded, but they also state (in the intro of the game) that the mountaintops is the Islands..
Ruan Coetzee The examples they used aren't evidence for their theories they were clues that the developers put in there so we would know it was death mountain without them saying it it's 100% without a doubt death mountain there is not a possibility it isn't
Alright, maybe - but unless it is stated as canon by the creators, it can still be debated to be a theory.
After all, the evidence is not very conclusive, so I wouldn't say it's 100% possibility to it being Death Mountain.
Ruan Coetzee Like its heavily implied the idea that unless it's not canon unless a character says it is ridiculous in games, movies, comics, and similar media information is given through visuals not just words just because they happened not to say it doesn't mean it's not canon
link doest die in MM. When he falls, he hits a deku flower. in this game, the flowers nullify all damage from falls
Hell, they even mentioned that the Hero of Time had to become old enough to have children, and if Link died in the beginning of Majora's Mask then he couldn't have children.
perhaps link had twins, perhaps even triplets.
Then the Hero of Twilight wouldn't be a descendant of the Hero of Time, he'd just be related to him by being his great great great nephew or something.
MasterGameplay it is VERY clear and directly stated that TP link is a DIRECT descendant of OoT link.
The Hero's shade being an adult and not a skullkid further proves this
Exactly.
I got excited when I saw this video in my subfeed, but after seeing that you included "Link is Dead", "The timeline is wrong", and "every game is a dream" I'm honestly super let down. All three of those theories are debunked and it only takes common sense to prove them wrong. Still looking forward to your future videos though
Well 3 bad theories out of 10 isn't THAT bad.
they are still great theories that a lot of people believed before they were debunked
Persian Slashuur but it's a top ten list, they should all be good. you also have to take in to account that two of the aren't even theories. dragonroost island being death mountain and there being more than one ganon are canon anyways, so they shouldn't be in the video
power 99 yeah no. Link is dead is debunked in Majoras Mask itself, the timeline can't be wrong if Nintendo says it's cannon, and you can say that literally any game or book is "Just a dream."
Duelist Mudkip just because the Nintendo company says it's canon doesn't mean it's always right.
Honestly the Link is dead theory and all games are a dream theory and the zelda timeline is wrong theory are stupid.
EVERY ZELDA GAME IS A LEGEND
Hence the name.
A legend of zelda.
LOL
Big if true
Except for Hyrule Warriors. It didn't have legend in the name.
Isaac Ness and links adventure
heheh, the eyes from the masks look, EYEDENTICAL
Navi dying is false. This is because Navi was designed to be a companion character like Fi in Skyward sword. That this character is called upon to guide the hero to find victory in his journey. Then once the hero is victorious, the companion character has done their job and departs. Standard story telling.
Zelda 1, 2, TP... Does not start with... Well you know.
Or the oracle games or Fs or FSA or Tri Force Heroes...
Or Majora's Mask, sort of..
Or Phantom Hourglass
Marjora's Mask and Phantom Hourglass is both practically sequels, so it could be part of the same dream.
That's what I meant - Phantom hourglass is a Sequel to Windwaker, and MM is a sequel to OoT - that's why I think they could be a continuation of those dreams.
How is the timeline tree wrong because every single action could have it's own timeline? The 3 timelines are just the ones the games take place in and not the others.
The timeline isn't necessarily wrong, it's just not a timeline. It's like calling a bike a car. Yeah it's got wheels, you use it for transportation, but it's not a car.
The timeline is only a timeline up until the point where Ocarina happens. Even the timeline split can be called part of a timeline because of the whole time travel thing. The part that ISN'T a timeline is that Link dies and survives at the same time. One can happen or the other, not both. That's why it delves into the whole multiverse thing. Either that or the timeline was already split even before Ocarina of Time and we just don't have the game where it happened.
lightsoul007 yeah the timeline isnt wrong, its just not exactly a timeline. i mean the point of it is to present the games in chronological order, i get that. but the multiverse part doesnt make it ones full timeline. but yeah its not wrong its just presenting all three outcomes in one spot
Foxgloves EX it's wrong because apparently a thing called Multi-vers THEORY is real.
Though it has no real backing to it.
Foxgloves EX agreed
Foxgloves EX huh that actually makes very much sense
LINK DID NOT DIE IN MAJORAS MASK, JESUS CHRIST
Well he died at some point after majora.
I hate the link is dead theory cause it could be so Easily disproven with something else that was stated in the video.
It has bean confirmed Ocarina of Time Link(and Majora's mask cause their the same person) is the Ancestor of TP Link and unless Link had a son at a very young age(9) then him being dead would contradict that.
Also Why is a Zelda is a dream theory here? Seriously dream, and Coma theories typically have very little evidence to them, and are only really relevant cause a good number of people don't know enough about dreams to disprove them, and they feel like copout theories as they can be used to hand wave any event in that universe.
Lol link getting it on at 9
Link WAS sleeping until he finally woke up for real in The Legend of Zelda for the NES. Then Zelda II: The Adventures of Link which he is still awake.
Does not OoT Link being TP Link´s ancestor, as confirmed in Hyrule Historia, invalidate the ¨Link is dead¨ theory?
Reincarnation is not a blood thing, Link is more so a chosen spirit that continues to be reborn in the world, it could be in his blood line but if he has no blood line a link will just appear anyways
@@devildavin That's what makes Oot and Twilight Links so unique. I think they're the only Links that are blood related.
Why did you do the It's a dream theory? Those suck, you can't do anything to argue against them and are impossible to debunk, all problems can be awnsered with "well it's a dream so".
This conversation can't be debunked, it was a dream all along!
At least it's technically a theory of sorts. Like... how is Dragon Roost being Death Mountain a theory? It's in the lore of the game itself. I call that an observation. Just because Wind Waker doesn't use the Hylian terms for locations, you're going to waste a slot on the list for that?
Here's another theory, that big talking tree in Wind Waker is actually the Great Deku Tree. Oh, wait, it actually says that in the game. Don't care, I hav bes therory!!!1! Also, all the locations in the different games with the same or very similar names are the same places, but, gasp, at different points in the timeline. The deep dark secrets keep coming folks.
Well, one of them actually was a dream so there's that. /shrug
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You know what, the fact that one was confirmed a dream could help in a credible debunk to the dream theory for the series as a whole, now that I think about it. Link's Awakening does take quite a few departures from the way things work in most all of the other titles, and has cameos from outside the series to the greatest extent. It's just a question of if they're big enough differences really.
Shalakor Meh, it can go both ways. That's the one they showed us the truth with and the others are just dreams. Link is a boy who keeps dreaming of these impossible situations.
So what about the games where Link doesn't start by waking up, like The Legend of Zelda, The Legend of Zelda 2: The Adventure of Link, The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask, The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, ECT?
Its still a dreammmm, oooooh
I heard a different version of the Navi is dead theory, that I personally find easier to believe. In the fight with Ganondorf, Navi is repelled by his dark magic. But in the Ganon fight, she powers through and helps you out again. But there's no reason Ganon wouldn't still try to repel her, and Ganon is far more powerful than Ganondorf. The version I heard says that this dark magic mortally injured her, and... you know the rest
Also is there really a theory that straight up says the timeline is wrong? You can't tell the creator of something you know better than them. They could tell us Link is literally a human turd and because it's their creation it's their decision.
The Zelda series has multiple creators. Hyrule Historia was written by only two of its creators. One of them, Shigeru Miyamoto, is infamous for not caring about story. Thus any thing he says about the timeline can safely be ignored.
The creator who cares the most about story is Yoshiaki Koizumi. He was not involved in the creation of Hyrule Historia. Any timeline he created would certainly be better then the one shown in Hyrule Histora.
the biggest issue I see with the theory about the timeline being wrong is simply that the existence of possible infinite universes does not prove that the three depicted are wrong. It's simply that the current games only exist in those three timelines or before the moment those timelines were created..
I’m pretty sure the creators themselves don’t know and just throw in references.
Then they make up timelines because fans love timelines.
Except Mario. Mario fans gave up a long time ago.
I think the only Ganon that isn't the same as the OoT Ganon is FSA. The others were either revived or released from their prison. FSA is the only one that explicitly states that it is a different Ganon/Ganondorf. Twilight Princess, ALttP, and Wind Waker are definitely the same Ganon from OoT.
I agree. But. If Ganon is reborn every time he dies, why has he not appeared again in adult timeline? am I the only one who thinks getting a sword to his skull just left him imprisoned in stone?
Yes, Hyrule Historia clarified this; he reborn because TP Link stabbed him to death
Eemeli Korteniemi As shown in other games like the Minish Cap, Four Swords, and the Wind Waker sequels, Ganon isn't the only evil being. There isn't a set number of years that have to go by for him to reincarnate, so maybe we will get a sequel one day showing him A) breaking free from the stone imprisonment or B) being reincarnated into a new life in that timeline.
which one is FSA?
Four Swords Adventure
The multiverse thing doesnt really say anything about the timeline being wrong or not. If anything it would tell us that its correct but incomplete.
I agree, navi memes are totally unfunny and quite annoying
Navi never really bothered me as a kid. I always thought the "Hey! Listen!" was really funny as a kid and I always laughed when she yelled it.
Almost as much as navi herself... :P
Devouring_One XDXDXDXD funi meem
me too.
I don't even know why Navi was annoying, for me she would just say "Hey, Listen!" rarely.
7:08 Not every single game, there are a lot of games that start in a diferent way
Twilight Princess for one.
To be fair you can argue that the game does not actually start until Link's friend asks him to heard his goats or until the kids of the village ask link to buy a slingshot.
exactly he was riding through the woods in majoras mask at the beginning.
Regal Pixel King nope, it starts with the beginning and not ten minutes in...
Nicolas Vignolo it's just an easy way to start off an adventure game with your main character is silent
I know that Smash Bros isn't canon, but in Smash 4 (specifically in the Palutena's Guidance for Ganon) Viridi states that there ARE multiple Ganons, "just like there are multiple Links and Zeldas." Food for thought.
(I'm 2 years late whoops) yeah but he keeps him memories
The "Link is dead" theory makes absolutely no sense at all if the hero's shade is OoT Link and the ancestor of TP Link, cause it's implying he died as a child, when it's stated he grows up and has kids, and the creator of the Zelda series already said termina is a real place so why did you contradict yourself in the video with the Link is dead theory
The "multiple Ganon theory" isn't even a theory, as I was led to believe. In ocarina of time, it's said that a male gerudo is born every few centuries. That person, as I interpreted, was the reincarnation of ganondorf being reborn with link and Zelda (or whatever other form of hillia). This was just my interpretation, but I thought that it was the canon. If this is not the said canon, I would love constructive criticism because I would live to learn more about the Zelda timeline. Good job on the video, and keep up the good work!
Not every male Gerudo becomes Ganon, they just become the ruler. Also, (though you obviously couldn’t have known this at the time) BotW 2 proves that, since Ganondorf was always alive underground, the birth of Link and Zelda don’t fully coincide with the birth of Ganondorf, only with the coming of some sort of threat. (After all, Ganondorf is not present in the GBA and DS games, yet Link and Zelda are still born)
I hate the Link is dead theory, I prefer the Tower of Babel theory. It is, in my opinion, a far greater and more thought out theory.
Well, the Link is dead theory has been completed debunked.
What's the Tower Of Babel theory about?
BlazingWaters The last dungeon of Majoras Mask might be a reference to the tower of Babel as the dungeon seems to have fell from a large height not to mention the mythos of the dungeon itself.
Tower of Babel was a tower created to MOCK and defy the gods, not to be closer to them.
But anyways, yeah the Stone Tower has to be the Tower of Babel, only place in the entire world of Termina where you see the Triforce symbol.
MasterGameplay the Tower of Babel (described in the bible) was a way for humanity to reach heaven through their own means
States that Link lived a long time due to him being the one who trains you in Twilight Princess. Says that "Link is dead in MM" is a good theory.... There's no way Link can be dead in MM if he lived to be an adult
MyReviewAcademia wait, what if, Majorca’s mask has a timeline split depending on if he landed on that flower, either it leads to TP, or either a second path to fallen timeline or a new timeline.
Crazy Bonehead that’s possible, but there’s little reason that Link wouldn’t have survived the fall
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The theory that the zelda timeline isnt right is bullshit. You cant disprove facts
Ikr, it actually makes sense.
True that. Heck, it actually DEBUNKS ITSELF. If every choice, and by extension, every possible universe is canon, then that means the timeline split described in the official timeline is equally canon, as they are among the endless possible outcomes.
A fact is a fact.
I think the reason why people say its bullshit is because Nintendo probably didn't have the idea for a timeline until like TP or Skyward Sword so its like they just threw the games together the best way they could. But even so it is official and canon so you can't really argue it
Gena Anderson True.
The original zelda game doesn't start with you waking up
When is part 3 coming out? I keep getting baited. Enjoyed the video, even if it wasn't the most detailed fan theory video I've seen.
It's all a dream is a terrible theory unless the writer hints to it all along, like in Driver: San Francisco. Uh, apparently that's what happens. Probably not. It's not spoilers.
Quote "Every Zelda game is a dream have you noticed that every Zelda game begins with Link waking up *every single game* " unfortunately you do not wake up in/from Majora's Mask, here it starts from a cut scene
Doesn't Link land on a flower reducing damage greatly in Majora's Mask?
I'm pretty sure it entirely neglects it.
Maybe he's already Dead and in Termina by the time he lands on the flower! Since the whole Alice-In-wonderland thing that happened when he fell.
Horayn B. I think he loses a quarter of a heart or no damage at all.
***** Yeah, I've seen some.
link can't take damage from deku flower
Isn't Nintendo offically confirmed that Ganondorf in Four Swords is a different Ganon? So, it's not a theory?
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Wait, the multiple Ganons thing is a theory? That's canon. I thought everyone knew that. Demise specifically said that his rage would be reincarnated along with Link and Zelda. And even if you say that male Gerudos can live 100 years because that's the time increment in which they're born, he couldn't live long enough to go all the way through the whole Zelda timeline.
Kinda but he keeps him memories the game has said before (I forgot which one tho) that he comes back as the same person (sorry fo being three years late oof)
I agree with the theory that every possibility is canon, but that doesn't mean that the timeline is inaccurate, it just means that we only get to see 3 of the infinite timelines in existence.
The little battle shuffle that the Hero’s Shade does is so much like how he used to move in life (/the games we played as him) that it makes me emotional.
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i hate number 7 every time i hear it because just because something is simplified does not mean its not truth
I think Ganon is a weird Dracula like vampire.
Zelda 2 is the game that put this into my head. Ganon is dead in Zelda 2. The bad guys want to spread Link's blood onto Ganon's ashes to bring him back to life. When you die in Zelda 2, Ganon comes to life and laughs at you. It sort of feels like a weird Castlevania plot.
Termina does come from Terminal, but from the english word terminal wich is something that connects. It was confirned by the director that he choosed the name because Termina was at the center of the other places.
10: Nothing conclusive.
9: There's no such thing as THE Antichrist. An Antichrist is someone who does not accept Christ into their heart, making them anti-Christ.
8: If Link died he could not be the ancestor of TP Link. Keep your theories straight. Also "Link is dead" is a stupid theory.
7: That's just angry fanboy talk. And the lines the timeline is on is the Prime timeline where not enough goes wrong to mess it all up.
6: Possible, depending on how you look at that comic that showed the origin of Majora's Mask.
5: Eh, could be.
4: That's stupid and you're stupid for saying it.
3: Four Swords Adventures Ganondorf is indeed a reincarnated one, but the others are all the same.
2: Could be, there's no real evidence for it.
1: So this entire top 10 was just an advertisement for another channel.
3/10, nice clickbait.
Yea this video was pretty disappointing, half of these "theories" make no damn sense or are just fanboys creating their own headcannon through said theories.
there actually is The antichrist. he is mostly referenced in revelation, but the bible does speak of a man known as THE antichrist. you are correct that it also uses the general term antichrist to describe people who do not accept christ.
I don't think the Majora's Mask manga is canon, so the whole" dragon Majora" thing is pretty easy to disregard.
ummm no the anti-Christ is a thing lol
PokemonGeekWalker 01 No evidence in game for this. It's just a wild "head canon" guess.
The "Link is Dead in MM" theory has been disproven. There are two major things that point to this: Link learned the Song of Storms in Termina and played it at the Windmill Hut to start the cycle of OoT Link learning it, and Termina is also said to be a real parallel world in the Hyrule Historia. Please check your theories before making a video about them.
Being disproven doesn't make it no longer a "Top Theory": "Top Theories" are generally decided by popularity, the research behind it, and how detailed it is.
That can't be true because Ocarina of Time basicly takes place in the adult era, so MM Link can't teach it to adult Link that way.
I won't argue with that fact that it was popular, I'm just saying that further research has disproven it.
The song came from Termina, it was written by Flat in Ikana Valley. This means that MM Link somehow played it at the Windmill Hut to set the cycle in motion.
Dante Sabolchick Like I said before. Besides, you learn Epona's song in both lands too.
I deadass thought that the thumbnail was pointing "true lover" to ganondorf and it scared me nut was reassured quickly
It never said Malon was going to get a “Knight in shiny armor”, but just that she wanted one.
What if Termina is pretty much Wonderland?
Yeah!
Eh? Interesting thought.
Katherine Padilla i think about it everyday 😍
the timeline theory is just basic time science
10/10 best theory
Yes. Very basic indeed. I never got (and still don't get) why people say that the Zelda timeline or, while I'm on this tangent, the FNAF timeline either. It's just a branch in a timeline and the games not taking place in the order they were released respectively.
(✓ = Agree with the theory [5 theories]. X = It's debatable, with description [5 theories].)
10. X [Link and Malon started a family.] Just because Malon had children doesn't mean Link was the father... We assume that over time, Link is somehow a bloodline descendant of Malon. But that could be said for anyone who knows the song to whistle while they lived in that village. As for Link, he is called his ancestor - but doesn't mean he's bloodline-driven. Just like Avatar: The Last Airbender/Legend of Korra would show, reincarnations (which is what is stated as canon lore for Link, Zelda and Ganondorf) aren't exactly sharing the same bloodline. Granted it's stayed true for Zelda for most generations (the ones that anything has had adventure happening), Ganondorf and Link are a different story, since their bloodline generally ends with them. Ganondorf is either killed or sealed away only to come back while we know he doesn't have a kid... As for Link, depending on the timeline... If he dies at ANY given point, he doesn't have a kid. Same for the timeline when he went back, but was reincarnated again anyway even if he doesn't exist in that timeline anymore. As for the one for Twilight Princess, if it's the one from Majora's Mask... Well... That's in a later theory...
9. ✓ [Ganondorf is parallel to the anti-Christ.] Pretty straight-forward similarities.
8. X [Link is dead in Majora's Mask.] Referring back to #10, if the Majora's Mask theory is indeed right about Link suffering through his death, that would mean #10 conflicts with this theory. They both can't be right, if Link doesn't grow up to have a child. I personally love this theory as it is compelling, but perhaps the only way this could be true AND the #10 could be true at the same time is if Link somehow went through "acceptance"... But the opposite happened and he somehow lived. But whenever someone accepts their fate, it never turns out positively for them without outside help... And we see Link alone in the ending. These theories clash too hard.
7. X [Legend of Zelda "Timeline" is wrong.] Not really. Like I mentioned in #10, they only show theories against the final timeline where Link dies... But it states that if Link dies ANYWHERE (Present of Future timeline) then the outcome is the exact same regardless of where he dies or when he dies... Ganon still rules with an iron fist, should Link die as a kid or die in the final battle against Ganon's transformed state while Ganon has one 1 hit left. So long as Ganon live and Link dies, the timeline is ruled in the same way.
6. ✓ [Majora's Mask is originally made by the Twili.] Possibly the direct link, since no other ancient group is really spoken about.
5. ✓ [Dragon Roost Island is Death Mountain.] I always thought they were the same place after knowing it was just a future world. No qualms with that.
4. X [Every Zelda Game... A dream?] I wouldn't call them a dream, because they wouldn't be reincarnations if that was the case. I mean, if you would like, the creators of the Legend of Zelda COULD make us live day to day lives for 3-4 years of in-game time... But instead they put us to the day they wake up and everything starts anew... It wouldn't make any sense to just become Link in the middle of him doing something without it being "You were day dreaming, weren't you?"... That theory is actually not solid.
3. ✓ [Multiple Ganondorfs.] Yeah, he's a reincarnation like Link and Zelda. So it would make it most likely canon that there are more than one body for the spirit that reincarnates.
2. ✓ [Navi is dead!] Actually, the newest theory I've heard. Thought you were pulling my leg, until you brought up some points. Now it actually makes much more sense for her to just fly off without a word after building up friendship with Link through that adventure.
1. X [The creators of Hyrule are the Ooccoo.] Kinda mentioned the story of everything in Ocarina of Time with the three goddesses (Farore, Naryu and Din). It's specifically said that they were the creators of Hyrule, so... I can't really buy that. Granted there are ancient artifacts that the Ooccoo have made or needed to retrieve, I wouldn't call them or equate an ancient race to being the creators of Hyrule - not when we have been given the backstory both in the game of Ocarina of Time and other sources. Ooccoo can use a limited ability that resembles Farore's Wins, sure... But what about Din's Fire and Naryu's Love? Nothing they do seem to match the other goddesses' powers. So I doubt that the goddesses are Ooccoo and the Ooccoo are the goddesses that created Hyrule and then left the Triforce in their wake.
Something to help the official timeline fight back against that argument at number 7: When Zelda sends Link back in time, she breaks time, causing the three possible outcomes, the three most majorly different possible timelines from that point.
Dr. Wily's voice does not fit the name
part 3 when???
Link waking up is the best way to transition from the title screen/opening sequence into actually playing, as we don't really know Link or experience anything as Link before playing for the first time. It would be rather awkward and inconvenient if we randomly became Link in the middle of a battle or conversation.
I always thought that Link having trouble waking up is just the Hero of the Sky's thing, passing it down to his later reincarnations. He's a sleepyhead so he'd be reborn a sleepyhead.
nobody cares how early you are
The timeline is just that Link dies, not necessarily losing against Ganondorf. You're just grasping for things if you think it would make a difference. Link still dies, and Ganondorf is still Successful
Link could have died from that boulder in Kokiri forest.
A hero's death. XD
Link died during Ganon’s fight because the Seven Sages were already gathered and still sealed him away...
At least that’s what I understand
not sure about the Malon thing, it's seems to be a repeating theme that someone has unrequited love for Link. There seems to be a deliberate triangle, maybe to emphasise how amazing Zelda is that Link is always drawn to her no matter who else is interested.
I never thought "Multiple Ganons" was a theory. I always assumed there were multiple since Demise said "reincarnation" and "cycle". A cycle repeats. Yes, certain Ganons have been freed or resurrected, but that doesn't mean there aren't other Ganons. That just means there have probably been less reincarnations of Demise vs Zelda and Link, but still multiple.
Ok but hear me out on this.. navi is the spirit of Link's mother. It's just a theory, but it could explain how caring she is about him and how much she nags about dangers and reminders - just like a mom would. And it would make sense since she died in the kokiri forest where she left Link with the Great Deku Tree. Maybe he saw how strong the bond was between the two and he turned her into a fairy that's destined to guide, support and protect Link. She might leave because she completed her task of keeping him safe, thus fulfilling her last wish, or because her fairy form indeed was dying. Just a thought.
I've heard another variation of the Navi theory. This is one is that fairies have a purpose, once that is fulfilled they leave and essentially... die.
The fairies in the springs purpose is to aid travelers, and Navi's purpose is to help Link fulfill his quest. As such when Link's quest was complete, she died.
Here's a fan theory for you: Navi is the Hero of Time's true love and wife. Think about it, he can fight but she can't, and she can speak but he can't, thus they complete each other. She comes along to take care of him, and marvels at the man he's become. Also, she's always following him around screaming "Hey!" "Listen!" Yep. Totally his wife. :3
Good to see that you haven't been entirely consumed by Pokémon, Lockstin. I'm looking forward to part three, but I think it's good that you're not just looking at your major theory until it's finished.
With regards to the "The Timeline is Wrong" theory: The third branch isn't "Link Dies"; it's "The Hero is Defeated", which makes a world of difference. And why was he defeated? He didn't have the Eye of Truth, or a way to enter the Spirit Temple, so he had to go back in time. In other words, it's the "Abandoned" timeline, where Link is forced to give up and retrace his steps.
That multiple Ganons theory could also explain why each Ganondorf looks and attacks differently: Because they are separate people.
The three timelines are all based on time travel. Defeated is the one where link doesn't use it to become young again. Time travel is a sticky widget in multiverse, however there has to be a timeline where link fought Ganon without the sand Sage. (Not getting young.) He fails but the sand sage and the others lock ganon away .
my theory of the Ooccoo is that after SS, a small group of humans, including Groose, decided to return to the sky, so they created a wind temple, then built their city in the sky, becoming the sky people from MC, in FS, Vaati's taken over the sky people's domain, cursing them, and sending them to the ground, and over time they became the Geurudo, while a small portion stayed in the sky, relying on mechanical propellers to help support, their city, over time the small group became more bird-like, eventually becoming the Ooccoo.
A theory I like but don't see brought up often is that Demise is from Lorule. We learn that Lorule's Triforce was destroyed long ago because everyone was fighting over control of it, so it could be possible that Demise learned of Hyrule and invaded that dimension, explaining why he just kinda showed up (I don't quite remember the specifics of his appearance) and why his goal was the get the Triforce. What's also kinda cool is that Demise's sword is clearly a dark version of the Master Sword, with a similar design, but it also has an upside down Triforce on it, the orientation of Lorule's Triforce. This could also explain the similarities between Fi and Ghirahim, both being living swords, and serving their masters in the like. One last thing is that Lorule doesn't really seem to have a counterpart to Ganon or Ganondorf, which could be because Demise was SS Link's counterpart, and he went to Hyrule, leading to the creation of Ganondorf, and possibly the Gerudo by extension.
With the 'hero is defeated' time line so few people realize that playing though the game DOES split the time line three ways. When you learn the song of storms and go back to play it and change the future, you've permanently left a time line where that never happened. Hence: 'The hero is defeated' thats the hero is defeated time line. Ganon is still in power in a world where the hero unknowingly erased himself.
The multiverse theory IS correct, simply because it only explores the three possible outcomes of Link’s fight with Ganon, it takes common sense to realize that yes, multiple universes are created after every choice, but the Zelda timeline only focuses on the ones birthed from the Ganon boss fight.
You know every Zelda game just being a dream really got me thinking, it makes sense. Maybe this is why the timeline is so weird, because it’s just a new adventure in your own kind every time
I thought the ganon/dorf reincarnation was just the obvious truth. And if link and zelda are reincarnations why wouldnt ganondorf be one?
A thought that occured to me regarding "Navi is dying". Throughout the whole game, she tells you to hurry up, not lollygag too much and generally try to rush you towards the completion of your destiny. Perhaps this is not only because she wants to "save the world", but also because she wants to see that you finish saving that world before she is completely drained of her life or something. It's not fully fleshed out, but it's something to think about :P
Here's my personal theory: Navi isn't that annoying.
Seriously though, Navi is NOT that bad, calm down
About the timeline theory: I don't think thet fact that every possibility would create a new timeline completely debunks the official timeline. The reason is simple: They could just decide to consider some of the possibilities in the timeline instead of just going for all of them.
Why would you put all the possibilities when you can make it a bit more simple?
Here's my take on the Navi theory, like what if Navi is the reincarnation of Link's mother, Link's Mother died not long after giving him to the Deku Tree
Thanks for inviting Dr. Wiley in this one.
He doesn’t wake up at the start of EVERY single game. He’s riding on Epona at the start of MM
Lmao "If only Link had listened" jesus christ I got a good chuckle out of that
My problem with the timeline isn't that there is too little paths, any death would fall under "Link Dies" and any survival would fall under "Link Wins". My problem is that simply, there is too many paths, there shouldn't be a path for the Adult Link Timeline because simply it doesn't exist anymore, Zelda doesn't give Link an option to stay in the future, and more importantly, the events that caused the Adult Timeline in OoT never happened a second time. Link leaves the Sacred Realm alone, most likely returning the stones to their keepers or taking them with him into Termina, meaning Ganondorf doesn't have access to obtain the Triforce of Power, and rule over Hyrule. This causes the Adult Link timeline to disappear, as to put it bluntly, Link didn't screw up the second time around.
Maybe every reincarnation of Link is inhabited by the spirit of the hero who doesn't realize who or what he is until he comes face to face with his destiny at the end of each game. He doesn't remember his past very well at all but shares similar skills and attributes with his counterparts (exceptional ability with bows, swords, having blonde/sandy hair, etc.). Just a thought!
The dream one makes sense if it weren't for Link's Awakening, where the goal is to wake up, and when you wake up you see the Hero, and he continues his journey
While this list is great and i enjoyed watching the video but the "Link Is Dead" theory has been debunked by nintendo themselves stating that Link is infact *not* dead. No criticism just a fact i am sharing. :)
I DO think Navi left, but not for the obviously flawed reason given in that theory. It ignores that only the pink fairies specifically heal you and disappear, it ignores that there are many shown types of fairies too by saying Navi might've disappeared for the same reason the pink fairies do. Also, there's nothing really implying they die when they heal you, they seem to heal you willingly judging by how you can bottle them and they heal you when freed instead of just flying off irritated that you imprisoned them. I feel like the implication is that they're fine staying in a bottle to help you later. You can argue that it's a game mechanic, but when you go back to a fairy fountain the pink fairies are back, don't they heal you and return? This behavior is actually seen in the other fairy types too. Great fairies pop out, help/heal you and then go back down into their fountain, the queen of fairies too. There's more evidence that they're returning to fountains than that they died.
The multiple Ganon theory is confirmed canon in Hyrule Hystoria and in multiple games.
Basically all Ganondorfs are the same person. The only depictions of Ganon that aren't Ganondorf reborn are his Ocarina of Time, Twilight Princess, and Link to the Past forms. His appearance in the Oracle games, Original Legend of Zelda, and Link Between Worlds are three separate incarnations.
The Hero's Shade says he never had anyone to pass on his knowledge to. He's probably OoT/MM Link, but he definitely didn't have kids.
10. Agree wholeheartedly. I ship it.
9. Probably a coincidence. Nice stuff.
8. Directly contradicts number 10 as Link couldn't have died young and yet lived long enough to have kids.
7. I mean, you're not wrong. The full timeline would be unreasonable to chart, so the games take place in three main timelines.
6. Good theory. I agree.
5. Good theory. I agree.
4. Sounds like a moot point to me. Almost like a cop out argument. (If it doesn't make sense, it's cause it's all a dream, so now it does.)
3. Solid theory. I can see it.
2. Sad theory, bro. My feels can't hold it all.
1. Could be legit, not sure I like the forced "in my other video" moment there, but it could be worse.
The one in four sword actually is a different Ganondorf, but he is the only different one (I think this is confirmed in the Hyrule Hystoria)
My theory is that Zelda is the key of Gannon's resurrection. Link constantly destroys Ganon then leaves only for Zelda to come crying for help years later or in another story.
What if the cycle of resurrection can only be broken if all three protagonist stop living.
The Dream Theory make a little sense. His adventures are all with in his head but finally wakes up in Breath of the Wild.
Ummm... Just a quick disprover (or a prover of something disgusting) if OoT Link dies in Majora's Mask, then Link would never have come back and had children to have the descendant that is TP Link. That or Link impregnated someone before going to Termina... Or Kid Link had a Kid-
I think that the reason Navi died is because of the dark magic that Ganondorf cast. She knew that it's harmful to her so she stays away until Ganondorf turns into Ganon, which she says that she will fight with Link, which might have been very harmful to Navi. The dark magic probably was still in her so she went away to die on her own.
I kind of agreed with the three Ganon theory. It is sort of like the video game version of the three Joker theory but with Ganon. In the original game, Ganon is shown for his never ending hunger for conquest and then is defeated by the Hero of Time: Link. Demise was the responsible for each Ganon, meaning he passed his curse onto the first one who seemed to already achieved the form of hatred, The Ocarina Of Time Ganondorf in where he takes the Triforce of Power to achieve his form and fulfill his thirst for conquest, and then the Wind Waker Ganondorf, who has the same ideals but doesn't activate the Triforce of Power. All these Ganons exist in different timelines but also existed in the same universe. They were all born with the same origin due to Demise.
7:56 Most Links are not ancestors of each other, unlike the many Zeldas who are all related.
link: (dies)
the universe: fire birb