Why did the Vigil-class BREAK Kuat Conventions? COMPLETE Breakdown

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  • @MetaNerdzLore
    @MetaNerdzLore  3 месяца назад +13

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    • @pyeitme508
      @pyeitme508 3 месяца назад

      Much

    • @merkarion7883
      @merkarion7883 3 месяца назад

      The Picture at 08:30 has two Bellator in it 😉
      (one on the Front and from the other you see mostly the Back and the Engines which are offline)

  • @dragonblaster-vu8wz
    @dragonblaster-vu8wz 3 месяца назад +122

    Honestly, this feels more like a frigate than a corvette. Especially when you compare it to the Raider-class corvette. Still a neat ship that could be used as a step in the chain until one reaches the honor of commanding a Star Destroyer

    • @jayburn00
      @jayburn00 3 месяца назад +6

      These days, irl, frigates and corvettes are very similar in size and armament, although there are some frigate classes that are significantly larger. A good example of a corvette that is smaller is the one used by Norway. A good example of frigates and corvettes being similar is the sa'ar classes (line of French warships), some being called corvettes and others being called frigates I think. Back in the age of sail however, corvettes were always significantly smaller than frigates, with frigates typically being second in size only to ships of the line (man of wars). Back then, frigates were closer in role to WW2 cruisers.

    • @mingon_852
      @mingon_852 3 месяца назад +7

      I mean in SW, ship types are not very clear.(but not much better IRL) Like the DP20 Frigate that is actually a gunship, Gozanti class CRUISER(more llike a transport TBH), and the Consular class cruiser, etc

    • @jayburn00
      @jayburn00 2 месяца назад

      @@mingon_852 you make a good point lol.

    • @smaug9617
      @smaug9617 2 месяца назад +1

      I think it’s more like light/medium sized cruiser(it’s 25% percent of a Venator with good gun placement)

    • @smaug9617
      @smaug9617 2 месяца назад

      @@mingon_852, in old manuals and additional information: they were giving classes based on their size, shield power and armament, but usually just size was what mattered(which is a little bit lazy in my opinion):
      According to this system, Capital ships were divided into seven main classifications.[1]
      Corvettes: Ships of roughly 100 - 200 meters length
      Example: CR90 corvette, Marauder-class corvette
      Frigates: Ships of roughly 200 - 400 meters length
      Example: Corona-class frigate, EF76 Nebulon-B escort frigate
      Cruisers: Ships of roughly 400 - 600 meters length
      Example: Belarus-class medium cruiser, Broadside-class cruiser kdb-1
      Heavy Cruisers: Ships of roughly 600 - 1000 meters length
      Example: Acclamator-class assault ship, Dreadnaught-class heavy cruiser
      Star Destroyers: Ships of roughly 1000 - 2000 meters length
      Example: Imperial-class Star Destroyer, Nebula-class Star Destroyer
      Battlecruisers: Ships of roughly 2000 - 5000 meters length (small battlecruiser models were classed as "Star Cruisers," to separate them from larger ships of the type, but few recognized this classification as a formal part of the system.)[1]
      Example: Bulwark-class battle cruiser, Praetor Mark II-class battlecruiser
      Dreadnaughts: All ships over 5000 meters length
      Example: Executor-class Star Dreadnought, Kor Chokk grand cruiser and if I am correct it was called The Anaxes War College System.

  • @spectrumstudios4848
    @spectrumstudios4848 3 месяца назад +58

    I still can’t believe you haven’t done the Venator breakdown yet. I love that you are still making videos. Looking forward to that breakdown.

    • @CJ-BZ
      @CJ-BZ 3 месяца назад +1

      Thats actually shocking lol

    • @spectrumstudios4848
      @spectrumstudios4848 3 месяца назад

      @@CJ-BZright?

    • @SlytherinQueen199
      @SlytherinQueen199 3 месяца назад +4

      He's done a Venator breakdown, its one of his older videos thats for members only

    • @naomy1701
      @naomy1701 2 месяца назад +2

      @@SlytherinQueen199 then he hasnt done one as far as most ppl are concerned... sorry to say but its impossible to become member in every channel that fas great content -.-

  • @fakenuke7487
    @fakenuke7487 3 месяца назад +32

    Now this is a coverage I have been lookong forward, I really don't see much of the vigil which sucks since its tough little thing. Has insane "main character's ship" vibes. Great stuff and as always, great work

  • @yahaaa1343
    @yahaaa1343 2 месяца назад +6

    Fractalsonge work is amazing.
    It also tend to be OP in the SW universe because he try to make ship that make sense and are designed with a current day approach/philosophy while the cinematic universe is goofy.
    It make no sense that that ship was not a or THE most common sigth of the Empire.

  • @chrisheitstuman6360
    @chrisheitstuman6360 3 месяца назад +33

    Correction, the "heavy turbolasers" are mediums, as listed in the discussion that you have referenced.
    Not trying to call you out, just noting the mistake. So many ships and weapons listings make mistakes inevitable over time.
    The big dish i believe is also listed as a sensor system, thus the "Vigil", or lookout.

    • @macavitythemysterycat
      @macavitythemysterycat 2 месяца назад +1

      Also the ventral guns are the exact same as the smaller dorsal turrets. So they're both heavy laser cannons for point defense.

    • @chrisheitstuman6360
      @chrisheitstuman6360 2 месяца назад +2

      @@macavitythemysterycat those are light turbolasers. Same source.

    • @greninjaguy5264
      @greninjaguy5264 2 месяца назад

      wookiepedia says they're heavy turbolasers though.

    • @chrisheitstuman6360
      @chrisheitstuman6360 2 месяца назад +2

      @greninjaguy5264 Anyone can edit Wookiepedia or create anything they want. I remember when there was only an MC80, MC80a, and MC80b, and there were not 6 different versions running around with "battleship ion cannons" something that has been used exactly once in official material and that was on the Providence class, and the size makes literally no sense. What you had is people realizing that an ISD had more ion cannons and turbolasers on a flank than an entire Mon Cal had on the whole ship and literally fanficced heavier Mon Cals to even make sense that they could stand up to an ISD.
      So in conclusion...I will take the original source material and creator over any Wookiepedia entry.

    • @greninjaguy5264
      @greninjaguy5264 2 месяца назад

      @@chrisheitstuman6360 yeah of course, sherlock. There's people that are there to maintain the accuracy of the posts to make sure they're accurate. There might be discreptancies from time to time, but that's why you always check the sources provided.

  • @andrewchenault1366
    @andrewchenault1366 3 месяца назад +10

    it's pretty widely established already that the A-wing crashing into the SSD bridge was the straw that broke the camel's back. It wasn't the sole reason for what destroyed the SSD. Right before the entire Rebel fleet focuses fire on the SSD and destroys it's engines when it's shields are destroyed, you can even see them on fire later, the bridge being destroyed caused the remaining engines to push the SSD into the DS1 due to a lack of control. Also Bridges we're constantly targeted but that's why shied bulbs tend to be located on the bridge, closer proximity to the primary shield emitter.

    • @jamesd5842
      @jamesd5842 2 месяца назад +3

      To build on that, didn’t the A-Wing pilot have some unique crystal array that made it able to pierce point defense shields better than would otherwise be the case?
      I also distinctly remember reading in perhaps the novelization that had the Executor not been so close to the Death Star at the moment the perfect storm of damage was inflicted (engines disabled/bridge destroyed/flight control inoperable) that the secondary bridge would have been able to take over in time to avert the collision; had it not been by the Death Star at all there wouldn’t even have been an issue

    • @SephirothRyu
      @SephirothRyu 2 месяца назад +3

      DS2, not DS1, but yeah. It was a perfect storm of damage with the main bridge being knocked out at just the right time, while also being too close to the DS2 for them to get control online at one of the backup locations before it plowed into the oversized death ball.

    • @IronWarhorsesFun
      @IronWarhorsesFun 2 месяца назад +1

      Still no reason why you couldn't protect the command section better by tucking it into the superstructure.

    • @GreenBlueWalkthrough
      @GreenBlueWalkthrough Месяц назад +2

      @@IronWarhorsesFun You know they have a battle bridge that is deep inside the vessal right? While what was hit was the navigational bridge which needs to be able to see the envoment so they can maneuver the ship....

  • @jessewade1969
    @jessewade1969 3 месяца назад +11

    Ive been playing thrawns revenge again and this is just what i needed, currently playing greater Maldrood and having fun

  • @merafirewing6591
    @merafirewing6591 3 месяца назад +7

    Would be cool if you give EC Henry's revamp of the original Cantwell star Destroyer design a look.

  • @CATDRL2
    @CATDRL2 3 месяца назад +11

    Isn't the Cantwell-class Arrestor Cruiser seen on Andor (and mentioned in your video) also from Kuat, and even smaller than this Vigil-class series? Thanks for the detailed research you do to make these videos.

    • @SRXAltered
      @SRXAltered 2 месяца назад

      Wookiepedia has the Arrestor at 1100ish meters. But tbh that seems oversized for what is essentially a cheaper interdictor

  • @simonhagstenn
    @simonhagstenn 3 месяца назад +2

    Hey man! I really miss the longer multipart videos about characters, it's been a while since you did one of my favourite characters. I'd love to see one about Revan, Tulak Horde, Darth Vader or Han Solo ❤

  • @geophrie8272
    @geophrie8272 2 месяца назад +1

    One this to also consider with these ships is that they don't orbit. They hover above planets and also land on planets. The Venator could still deploy its fighters near the ground, the vigil may have traded durability with this ability

  • @andrewstrongman305
    @andrewstrongman305 2 месяца назад +2

    Paired with Lancer class-frigates, the Vigils could have defended the Empire against Rebel raids. Otherwise, the light turbo lasers and the ventral lasers could be swapped out for anti-fighter quad laser turrets. That could allow the primary gun turrets to either carry bigger guns, or fit quad mounts. Either way, the Vigil could have dominated smaller engagements, and acted as flanking cavalry in larger battles. It's pretty much a light destroyer as is, but scale the same design up a little, and you have a destroyer-class* ship.
    *Star Destroyers are neither star destroyers or destroyers, they are battleships (which happen to have the coolest name ever, even if it is dumb).

  • @captainseabass874
    @captainseabass874 3 месяца назад +13

    It’s kind of puzzling that this ship didn’t directly replace the Arquitens-class cruiser, especially during the rise of the empire. Is there a logical reason why, or did Kuat execs just favor the Arquitens that much?

    • @lukatomas9465
      @lukatomas9465 3 месяца назад +2

      Likely it was simply introduced too late to replace the Arquitens before the Empire fell. Also Kuat probably isn't the one making decisions on which ships get built. I assume that the Inperial Starfleet, with the consent of the Senate before it's dissolution, would be making the choice of which ship gets ordered.

    • @captainseabass874
      @captainseabass874 3 месяца назад

      @@lukatomas9465I found it was introduced during the end of the clone wars so I’m not sure why it didn’t. Perhaps I’m just biased after watching the Arquitens get used and abused throughout Rebels.

    • @josesanchezrodriguez1783
      @josesanchezrodriguez1783 2 месяца назад +1

      Maybe the Empire considered it was over-armed for it's role and too expensive to produce in the quantities the Arquitens was?

    • @moffxanatos6376
      @moffxanatos6376 2 месяца назад +1

      Because it's Legends only and started out as Fanon.

  • @josewilliamruiz2880
    @josewilliamruiz2880 3 месяца назад +1

    IVE BEEN WAITING FOR SOMEONE TO TALK ABOUT THIS

  • @Pastry656
    @Pastry656 3 месяца назад +5

    I’ve always loved that little ship~ c:

  • @vonneely1977
    @vonneely1977 2 месяца назад +6

    I find it awfully plot convenient how Kuat never bothered to install an internal backup bridge in any of their designs, or even any zero escape pods (lifeboats). Y'know... common things all real world battleships have by default? Then again, that's probably just part of the plot conveniece rule about always deliberately installing a fatal, one-hit-dead flaw in everything the Empire builds.

    • @Alexzander1989
      @Alexzander1989 2 месяца назад +2

      Actually they did, both in the original EU and in the Disney era.
      It’s just that with the Executor specifically… the ship was damaged, in the middle of a maneuver, and got pulled in by the Death Star II’s gravity well before the secondary bridge could take over control of the ship after the loss of the primary bridge. There’s also the little detail that the Imperial Fleet was thrown into disarray after the death of Papa Palpatine cuz he was using a form of battle dominance on the fleet while he was watching Vader and Luke go at each other
      So yes, KDY ships do have those, they just the Executor crashed and blew up before they could bring the secondary bridge fully online 😅

  • @casbot71
    @casbot71 3 месяца назад +2

    Slap a bit more point defence on it, and it would be a great ship for the Empire to mass produce as a patrol ship, to have in most smaller systems.
    It would be worth cutting the number of ISDs by 5-10% to make these ubiquitous.

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      @papapalps2415 Месяц назад

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  • @plewski952
    @plewski952 3 месяца назад

    i loved teh breakdown of this ship i always wanted to know , more about ships that are in the mainstream Starwars. Keep up the awesome work.

  • @icharneco29
    @icharneco29 3 месяца назад

    My favorite imperial capital ship. Love that the command bridge isnt exposed like other designs.... the providence had a tower but the were no systems critical to operating the ship in the tower.

  • @SnooZzzze_1
    @SnooZzzze_1 27 дней назад

    Ever since I discovered the Vigil-class it have been one of if not my favorite ship in star wars a well rounded ship that can do a lot of different thing and put up a fight against most enemies.
    Had the Empire made a million or two of those the Rebels would have had a much harder time if they had a chance at all.

  • @thenatural1759
    @thenatural1759 2 месяца назад

    Hands down my favorite KDY product. I was hoping one day you'd do a breakdown.

  • @Dare_To_Game
    @Dare_To_Game 15 часов назад

    It looks a lot like a Daedalus class battlecruiser from Stargate. I really like it.

  • @Shute47
    @Shute47 2 месяца назад +1

    This with 1 or 2 gladiators would be insane for an outer rim patrol

  • @Imperialer.Imperator
    @Imperialer.Imperator 3 месяца назад +1

    One of my favourite imperial units in the Empire at War Remake mod.👍🏻

  • @showxating9885
    @showxating9885 2 месяца назад

    I've always wondered why there wasn't at least a secondary control compartment such as in most large ships now, or even a "battle bridge" like the other big franchise has in some of their vessels.

  • @feralprocessor9853
    @feralprocessor9853 3 месяца назад

    Right off the bat, cool lego set.

  • @yarnickgoovaerts
    @yarnickgoovaerts 2 месяца назад

    It’s one of my favorite Imperial ships!

  • @lordwintertown8284
    @lordwintertown8284 2 месяца назад

    Hmm a ventral hangar for fighters... Sooooo it's the space version of the St. Nazaire from Skyland..
    As usual, a great breakdown on warships from SW's.

  • @luanalves8722
    @luanalves8722 2 месяца назад

    This last farewell gets kinda emotional 🤧

  • @haydenmorgan-dunn3027
    @haydenmorgan-dunn3027 2 месяца назад

    Will you do an ultimate military compilation for the empire?

  • @naomy1701
    @naomy1701 2 месяца назад

    Star Wars has soo many insanely awesome ship designs * *^^* *

  • @jamesstaggs4160
    @jamesstaggs4160 Месяц назад

    If you're to the point to where you have to use your eyes to guide the ship, assuming the power isn't out and you can steer it, seeing what's in front of the ship won't do you much good. All you can do is look out the window and say "There's some ships out there." You could only guess at their distance and how fast they were traveling. You'd also be totally blind to anything below the ship and probably what's to either side of it along with what's behind it. You couldn't see anything that's behind another ship like scanners can do.

  • @IronWarhorsesFun
    @IronWarhorsesFun 2 месяца назад

    Honestly the vigil makes a lot more sense as a warship then the ISD. Nice compact and efficient. Imagine if the ISD was built with the same design mentality.

  • @GX328382
    @GX328382 Месяц назад

    This is *NICE* , if they had a MILLION or so of these in some of their bittles it could of changed the war forever

  • @georgesulea
    @georgesulea 3 месяца назад

    I think this is a fine ship for a small level command center

  • @AdamTehranchiYT
    @AdamTehranchiYT Месяц назад

    Perhaps some of the tractor emitters are on the turrets on the sides?

  • @triviszla1536
    @triviszla1536 3 месяца назад

    Another niche ship added to my "Why do you know that?" brain folder

  • @trentsteel4421
    @trentsteel4421 3 месяца назад

    What a cool vessel. Just imagine what you could build for the cost of 1 ISD. and the number of crew required seem the ongoing cost in the equivalent number to 1 ISD would be considerably less. Shame about the class 2 Hyperdrive imagine if it was a class 1

  • @Supercohboy
    @Supercohboy 3 месяца назад +1

    So is this Legends or new/current/Disney SW lore? It feels surprisingly Legends-ey, but it looks like it comes from newer sources making it new lore right?

    • @moffxanatos6376
      @moffxanatos6376 2 месяца назад +1

      It's from the tail end of legends, right before it was axed, and was originally a fan design.

  • @alexishayes9935
    @alexishayes9935 3 месяца назад

    The crew size comparison to the Venator doesn't really make sense. Despite official classification, the Venator was functionally a Carrier. So its crew is no doubt inflated by a large number of pilots and flight line maintainers, which the Vigil's tiny hanger (carrying significantly less complex fighters) wouldn't need or be able to support.

    • @GreenBlueWalkthrough
      @GreenBlueWalkthrough Месяц назад

      the vantor is really a battle carrier that doesn't have are Earth equivalen out side of Japanesse excuses that is... Pretty much it was an no expense speared design where they steraight up made it a full battleship and a full carrier something no one on Earth has done... Which I don't see how it isn't a Star destroyer because it fits the same role in the space navy as every other star destories does itt just has a huge hanger instead of a small one....

  • @predator70nc46
    @predator70nc46 3 месяца назад

    Literally days ago I was asking myself, : "I wonder if metanerdz will do a video about this ship someday" 😅🤣

  • @saschawagner5167
    @saschawagner5167 2 месяца назад

    The heavy Turbolasers look suspicious like german 10,5 cm or 8,8 cm mounts on german WW2 ships like Bismark and Hipper Class or Königsberg in case of the 8,8

  • @RedCascadian
    @RedCascadian Месяц назад

    my internal rationale for the A-Wing taking out the Executor was the Executor had been getting hammered by enough debris and torpedoes during an intense battle the particle shields were either spotty, concentrated elsewhere, or down to relase more fighter wings.
    The real problem I have is Nu-Star Wars showing hyperspace ramming as a valid strategy. Anything escape pod with a small, backup hyperdrive should be a ship killer... and yet it isn't.

  • @GiovanniCamacho121
    @GiovanniCamacho121 2 месяца назад

    Please please do the VENATOR !!

  • @CATDRL2
    @CATDRL2 3 месяца назад +3

    The entire last minute of your video (Otro) is audio only, no video.

  • @TheCoolNut
    @TheCoolNut 3 месяца назад

    very epic video

  • @Kevin-qj7fp
    @Kevin-qj7fp 2 месяца назад

    on the sides are there guns and turrents on the bottom like the top 4:06 what are the bottom turrents for ???????????????

    • @Erikblktrn
      @Erikblktrn Месяц назад +1

      Probably, those are the tractor beam emitter.

  • @darkreflection9087
    @darkreflection9087 3 месяца назад +1

    Could you look at Fallout Securitron’s

  • @CCCCC40
    @CCCCC40 2 месяца назад

    Great video. Way to short. Wanted more.

  • @simlucien
    @simlucien 3 месяца назад +1

    KDS is SpaceRaytheon😂

  • @lewa705
    @lewa705 2 месяца назад

    so cool :D

  • @akumaking1
    @akumaking1 3 месяца назад +6

    So early Disney didn’t ruin Star Wars.

  • @LiliaArmoury
    @LiliaArmoury 3 месяца назад +1

    i want these in empire at war

    • @josesanchezrodriguez1783
      @josesanchezrodriguez1783 2 месяца назад

      They are in Thrawn's Revenge, I think the Eriadu Authority has them.

    • @LiliaArmoury
      @LiliaArmoury 2 месяца назад

      @@josesanchezrodriguez1783 that makes sense

  • @zexhavok1027
    @zexhavok1027 14 часов назад

    Didn't know that Kuat had conventions. Just surprising to me that people who build ships and other weapons for genocidal maniacs like the first order would limit themselves with conventions.
    I know of the Ruusan Reformation, but this is the first I heard of Kuat Conventions. Does anyone have a creditible source that layouts exactly what these Kuat Conventions are?

    • @MetaNerdzLore
      @MetaNerdzLore  14 часов назад

      Idk what you are referring to either lol so maybe misheard or CC transcript issue

  • @casbot71
    @casbot71 3 месяца назад

    A Commander could revolutionise space combat by simply spinning their ship 180°
    Or even.. _[*gasp]_ coming in at a different angle to the flat plain....

    • @GreenBlueWalkthrough
      @GreenBlueWalkthrough Месяц назад

      No because star wars capital ships are insanely heavy and under powere and people do do that but it's just not practical for capital ships because of how hyperlines work, the nature of space battles and again their capitals are big and slow so the enmy would just turn and shot you at your flanks as you tried to flank them....

  • @feralprocessor9853
    @feralprocessor9853 3 месяца назад

    SPACE!!!

  • @pyeitme508
    @pyeitme508 3 месяца назад +1

    Ayo

  • @feralprocessor9853
    @feralprocessor9853 3 месяца назад

    SCIENCE!!!

  • @andreasmuller4666
    @andreasmuller4666 2 месяца назад

    All the issues with the designs can be marked up to inept writers.
    A true space warship would fight from such great distances that the Mk.1 eyeball would be utterly useless and this is why SW is space opera and otherwise bad writing.

    • @GreenBlueWalkthrough
      @GreenBlueWalkthrough Месяц назад

      I mean the tech in Star wars does not allow for long distance engaments so it is well written. And besides in the modern day we still uses windows despite engaging at those distances because sensors are extremely limited, hard to use at all much less well and can be easly damaged. So nothing has ever beaten getting eyes on something even today.

    • @andreasmuller4666
      @andreasmuller4666 Месяц назад

      @@GreenBlueWalkthrough today yes, future tech, hell the F no.
      In other words, in science fiction, i couldn´t disagree more if I actually tried and I stand on SW being shitty written.

  • @hisdivineshadow8263
    @hisdivineshadow8263 3 месяца назад

    You look completely different than what I pictured. You aren't one of the guys that treated SWT so bad are you? Man I been watching your bids for 8 years now. Lovethem