In Germany we had dealers who gave you a manually wound daytona for free, if you had bought a golden Rolex in the first place. That was the only efficient way to get rid of those watches...
In 86 I bought one, was defect. Brought it back after two days and the second was defect also. So the dealer (well known Swiss dealer) told me that the Daytona was in fact the worst Rolex and suggested to buy a standard Date instead.They returned then all the Daytona to Rolex ... and the rest is history now. Price was 1.500 CHF ...I was just looking for a reliable watch.
Hard to imagine since it uses a Valjoux 72 movement. That movement was introduced in 1914 and in 1975 it was still in use. It is a complex movement. The replacement was the Valjoux 7750.
@@Mr10usdad Valjoux 7750 is a great even legendary movement. I have a Heuer Pasadena with a 7750, 42 years old and runs +/- 2 secs/day. I don’t know how this thing keeps time to COSC level so well, I’m lucky, maybe it’s black magic from the Swiss Jura mountains or something 😂
Well thank you Watchfinder. Everyone else appears to have forgotten about the Rolex - NASA link. Rolex were definitely trying to win the contract to provide a watch for use in space - hence the name Cosmograph. However Omega’s Speedmaster was the preferred chronological instrument. So Rolex focussed the watch on motor racing - let’s call it the Daytona as an afterthought due to it poor success with NASA - it never made it in to space like the Speedmaster - the Rolex GMT (Jack Swigirt) and The Bulova Lunar as worn by Dave Scott on Apollo 1V. Nice one watchfinder.
i love the way you tell the story about the watch! love this page so much. im just newbe on watch so if i may, what makes rolex more expensive than omega on this era?
Story I heard president U.S. Rolex told NASA they could not get enough chronographs for NASA to test. I imagine NASA requested a dozen. Omega responded to NASA and eventually got the contract. Rolex Geneva responded too late, and later promoted the president U.S. Rolex to president Rolex Antarctica. I've sold, traded, or gifted all my watches except a 2010, steel bezel, black dial Daytona. My only watch.
I heard that both Breitling and Rolex lost out in good part because of their Sapphire Crystals Omega used the other stuff I can't spell:))))). Nasa didn't want anything that could shatter in a weightless environment.
Great film couldn't wait for the next video so i'm watching the back catalogue the science and history are great too keep it up.ever thought of doing the opus watches?
I considered buying one of these new in 1988. I was 15 years old and Ben Bridge in Seattle had a couple. I think the retail was about 2000 USD. That seemed like way too much. I picked a Seiko dive watch instead. Coulda shoulda woulda
Probably the best looking Daytona ever, it is actually legible, very speedmaster-ish unlike the other bling fest variants. If that model cost Speed-master coaxial money it would have a waiting list as long as the distance to the moon!
Racing ? Space ? Jewellery ? I still don't get what Rolex really wants with the Daytona. Is it a Paul Newman watch or a Paris Hilton watch ? The Speedy classic from the 60s and the Heuer Autavia 2446C have much more character. This is why the Daytona is not on my dreamwatch list.
Hey I like your video and everything but the visual part does not give us any new information. You’re just holding the watch the whole time. Can you add on some images or clips when you talk about the watch? Thanks
I didn't know this watch (i'm starting) it's really wonderful it looks like an omega speedy and a daytona that made out and created this and it's wonderful even if i don't like the three dials i prefer an more standard and basic watch. But i prefer the speedy xD Nasa approved ;p
I've noticed on several of these videos (maybe it's a stock clip) what I will call the slop between the two gears...how come? Less friction? What impact does it have?
Figures that the most Omega-like Rolex and the Rolex that is an obvious knock-off of an Omega would also be considered the "most" unpopular. At times during the video, it really looked like he was holding a Moonwatch. Even has the raised domed crystal. Looks leaps and bounds better than the modern ceramic Daytona. What a shame they made it with PCL and did away with the brushed steel and contrasting subdials.
Is this really a “Paul Newman”? I thought all the Newman Daytonas have 15 30 45 60 on the subdial at nine o’clock or is that only the ones with the panda dial?
Seeing this makes me think about the Pogue. I know the Seiko Pogue doesn't cost enough to be featured on this channel but I'd love to see it as part of a follow up to this video. The external tachy, the contrasting bezel, the real history... Not the politics and money, but history. I wonder if there are more Speedmasters from 70-74 or if there are more Pogues from 70-74 out there today. It would be interesting to see how the numbers worked out comparing a 'cheap', mass produced watch, and a high dollar luxury sanctioned by NASA.
Omega isn’t a luxury watch maker at that time. Its only until the mid-80s when the company under the Swatch Group reposition itself as such. Omega during the 60s is like what Seiko is today.
In all honesty Rolex didn’t crack the market with this watch as a genuine tool watch. As this vid indicated, Rolex’s famous marketing dept did it in the luxury end of the market and only after the Quartz crisis had abated with a trick - the famous racing driver Paul Newman. He also had had great acting skills - and lived in a strange little town called Hollywood. This got their foot in the door and suddenly Daytona became a gold standard. I know of at least 2 other superior tool watch chronograph makers who made watches with case/dial sizes no bigger than Rolex Daytona, but had far greater legibility that you don’t notice their small size - Heuer and Omega. This is perhaps why they captured the motorsport and the new space market in the 60s with the famous Carrera and Speedmaster models respectively, whilst Rolex struggled to find its feet with this hard to read oddball chrono without a name (initially). When you strip away the Bullsh*t marketing tricks and look at the watch for what it is at bare retail price it is a handsome well made watch with novel screw down pushers, but actually it’s not really special as a functional chronograph timepiece at all.
It's not just that the Omega Speedmaster was "favorable" in NASA's eyes, it's that it was the only watch on Earth able to pass every single one of the space agency's rigorous tests. The truth is, the Rolex didn't even pass THE FIRST TEST. Instead, it flat-out failed and stopped running. Literally. This is all according to James Ragan, the man who actually did the Apollo watch testing for NASA. Long story short, Rolex is a pile of shit, and you'd be a fool to buy a Daytona over a Speedmaster, whether in 1969 or 2020.
That's just completely false, they weren't as good back then due to the movement being crap, modern daytonas are better than modern day speedmasters and you're delusional if you think otherwise, but speedmasters are 20k cheaper and do the same job so they're the better option but I'd take a zenith chronomaster over both to actually use since they're more accurate than both
Komor Uddin I used to be fan of Hublot. Pieces like King Power Foudroyante or that 4000m diver are so cool but the brand is focusing way too much on making random special editions
Komor Uddin they get a bad rap because they use base ETA in their fusion range and charge 10 times what a Hamilton does which uses the same. They’re also too blingy for most people who can actually afford them and thus usually only get seen on the wrists of those who see it as just a status symbol such as rappers and sports stars.
Chris Some of their inhouse movements are pretty cool tho like that Foudroyante. Split second chrono that also calculates seconds with 1/8 accuracy. If that movement was released by lets say like PP or Audemars Piguet it would cost propably 50k and people would still praise it but because it is Hublot, no one gives a shit.
Hyppyrotta I think Hublot have to choose a path and stick to it though..... Either top quality in house or modified ETA. Other brands such as Tag Heuer have made the same mistakes by producing top pieces but also a load of crap.
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In Germany we had dealers who gave you a manually wound daytona for free, if you had bought a golden Rolex in the first place. That was the only efficient way to get rid of those watches...
Wow, that's a pretty crazy story. The irony in the Daytona being worth more that those gold watches now is strong!
I'm not a friend of Rolex, but I like this one. Propably because it looks more like a Speedmaster than a Daytona :D
massive_walnut ya I agree the daytona is much better looking than the speedmaster
These old Daytonas look so much better than the new ones
So much better looking than the current Daytona.
beins u mean the black one?
Because it looks like an Omega
@@c1bersnake loool
Nope the current daytona is gorgeous
I’ve always thought the current Daytona just looks like a caricature of the older models.
1. Great watch. 2. Great video. 3. Perfect voice. 4. Perfect info. Thank you very much
These videos are great. Can't produce them any better than these.
Thank you. We'll keep on trying!
Very educational and a joy to watch as always 👍
Watch Geek I see what you did there hehehehehe...
A pleasure! Thanks for watching.
I love your history lessons
Thanks very much!
In 86 I bought one, was defect. Brought it back after two days and the second was defect also. So the dealer (well known Swiss dealer) told me that the Daytona was in fact the worst Rolex and suggested to buy a standard Date instead.They returned then all the Daytona to Rolex ... and the rest is history now. Price was 1.500 CHF ...I was just looking for a reliable watch.
Hard to imagine since it uses a Valjoux 72 movement. That movement was introduced in 1914 and in 1975 it was still in use. It is a complex movement. The replacement was the Valjoux 7750.
@@Mr10usdad Valjoux 7750 is a great even legendary movement. I have a Heuer Pasadena with a 7750, 42 years old and runs +/- 2 secs/day. I don’t know how this thing keeps time to COSC level so well, I’m lucky, maybe it’s black magic from the Swiss Jura mountains or something 😂
@@Pulsonar it is a great movement.
Now is 150grand for a good example
Fascinating! The most honest and informative look at the Daytona and Rolex I've seen.
Thank you!
love listening to these videos while i study, i do nothing watch related but listen for hours as it cycles through
I love it without the crown guards. This is the first Rolex I’ve ever liked.
Way more enjoyable that listening to Hodinkee’s Ben Clymer interrupt his guests.
Premton Batku Is it me or is Ben unbelievably dry in his vlog intros...must be a writer 😏
He's an engineer. Watch his bio special.
I wish he would have talked about the little know "Space-Dweller". An amazing watch and interesting story.
Dude, you are so underrated great videos. I prefer your channels then blog to watch etc. the valjoux 72 is truly amazing and gorgeous watch movement.
Well written script, well spoken and informative. I've always wondered why it was named a "Cosmograph" all of a sudden.
best wristwatches reviewer, great job! you should do at least 3 videos per week!!
Thanks! More subscribers = more reviews
that movement is so gorgeous
One of the most beautiful watch of all time.. dont even argue with me. What a stunning watch lord have mercy
Nah
@@followthegrow108 yes
thank you for very brief, but yet very informative Daytona history.
Lovely watch.
I could've got one just like it
back in the 80's. I kick myself
still. Much nicer than the new
£££one.
I respect Rolex, but am I wrong to call them very egoistic? I go to a Omega dealership I feel at home.
Reeks of Speedmaster, and for that I kind of like it. I actualpy prefer that black bezel insert over a plan steel one.
Great vid, as per.
Beautiful watch and a great informative narrative, thanks.
Much appreciated!
I think it is the best looking Rolex ever.
How is this channel not bigger by now?
Stunning timepiece, would love to own one!
Well done! Excellent presentation, very enjoyable. Thanks!
Fantastic video ! thanks for sharing !
Thanks for watching!
Finally someone with a good voice and without fucked up ugly fingernails.
Subbed
With a white dial, my grailwatch. Nice video as usual :)
Well thank you Watchfinder. Everyone else appears to have forgotten about the Rolex - NASA link. Rolex were definitely trying to win the contract to provide a watch for use in space - hence the name Cosmograph. However Omega’s Speedmaster was the preferred chronological instrument. So Rolex focussed the watch on motor racing - let’s call it the Daytona as an afterthought due to it poor success with NASA - it never made it in to space like the Speedmaster - the Rolex GMT (Jack Swigirt) and The Bulova Lunar as worn by Dave Scott on Apollo 1V. Nice one watchfinder.
Awesome review with lots of information, thanks!
I wonder how much the Paul Newman 6241 14K gold version with black dial costs today, roughly.
Fantastic review as always.
Thanks!
Great job!! the history of a watch is what makes it unique!!
Please review the A Lange & Soehne Datograph Up/Down and Lange 1 Time zone.
Thanks in advance.
i love the way you tell the story about the watch! love this page so much. im just newbe on watch so if i may, what makes rolex more expensive than omega on this era?
My dad has this watch and got it for 800 bucks in texas! Now it’s worth a million!!!
Story I heard president U.S. Rolex told NASA they could not get enough chronographs for NASA to test. I imagine NASA requested a dozen. Omega responded to NASA and eventually got the contract. Rolex Geneva responded too late, and later promoted the president U.S. Rolex to president Rolex Antarctica. I've sold, traded, or gifted all my watches except a 2010, steel bezel, black dial Daytona. My only watch.
My understanding is that some Rolex's were tested-perhaps the 6234 though, not sure.
I heard that both Breitling and Rolex lost out in good part because of their Sapphire Crystals Omega used the other stuff I can't spell:))))). Nasa didn't want anything that could shatter in a weightless environment.
Great film couldn't wait for the next video so i'm watching the back catalogue the science and history are great too keep it up.ever thought of doing the opus watches?
Brilliant. Video and the watch as well.. 🙏🏻
Daytona of old - "How do you like me now?"
Valuable info.Splendid.
Looks a lot like the new Omega Speedmaster Speedy Tuesday - and the new Tudor whatever it's called..... of all 3, I think I'd take the Omega
Actually the watch movement used in this video is Valjoux 727.
Very beautiful videos keep the good work up!
Thank you very much for a very informative review on the Ref 6263, in immaculate condition. Very beautiful time-piece. Is it for sale?
Thank you. It is! Please email me at andrew@watchfinder.co.uk if you'd like to know more.
Much easier on the eyes than
than those boat shaped
markers.
Thank you WF.
I considered buying one of these new in 1988. I was 15 years old and Ben Bridge in Seattle had a couple. I think the retail was about 2000 USD. That seemed like way too much. I picked a Seiko dive watch instead. Coulda shoulda woulda
How about a review of the Vulcain brand. Thanks.
Probably the best looking Daytona ever, it is actually legible, very speedmaster-ish unlike the other bling fest variants. If that model cost Speed-master coaxial money it would have a waiting list as long as the distance to the moon!
I love them but they are real small.
You’re right, they are small. Maybe we got used to the oversize watch trend that hit the market over the last 10-15 years.
I kinda hate the new Daytona’s, this is one I actually like.
It's a bit of irony this is now the most sought after, hardest to get, and most premium pumped watch of them all.
I love the 6263, but not the exotic dial one.
my favorite daytona is the 6263 :)
Love these video,
Racing ? Space ? Jewellery ? I still don't get what Rolex really wants with the Daytona. Is it a Paul Newman watch or a Paris Hilton watch ? The Speedy classic from the 60s and the Heuer Autavia 2446C have much more character. This is why the Daytona is not on my dreamwatch list.
The old versions are just so much more better looking that the new ones (although I'd still trade my granny for one, haha!).
Hey I like your video and everything but the visual part does not give us any new information. You’re just holding the watch the whole time. Can you add on some images or clips when you talk about the watch? Thanks
I didn't know this watch (i'm starting) it's really wonderful it looks like an omega speedy and a daytona that made out and created this and it's wonderful even if i don't like the three dials i prefer an more standard and basic watch. But i prefer the speedy xD Nasa approved ;p
Best watch videos right here.
I've noticed on several of these videos (maybe it's a stock clip) what I will call the slop between the two gears...how come? Less friction? What impact does it have?
Yes please do a review on the Invicta Reserve Subaqua Noma Valjoux 7750 Automatic Chronograph Watch. :)
Wonderful video. What camera do you use?
looks like a speedmaster
might like that better than any others
I passed on so many of these for a few grand in the 80s - ugh!
Figures that the most Omega-like Rolex and the Rolex that is an obvious knock-off of an Omega would also be considered the "most" unpopular. At times during the video, it really looked like he was holding a Moonwatch. Even has the raised domed crystal. Looks leaps and bounds better than the modern ceramic Daytona. What a shame they made it with PCL and did away with the brushed steel and contrasting subdials.
thanks
It's hard to believe that a watch wore by Seinfeld is the most unpopular rolex taking the level of endorsement in his tv show under consideration.
That would be the 1019 Milgauss.
please review datejust 16234! ty!
At least a Daytona we can read the time ....
Excellent.
What color are there sub dials? White or silver?
Amazing informattion.
Really nice sir. Can i buy this watch in 2018
Is this really a “Paul Newman”? I thought all the Newman Daytonas have 15 30 45 60 on the subdial at nine o’clock or is that only the ones with the panda dial?
What's a pilot watch? GMT?
Sssoooo are you suggesting the Daytona was named after Daytona Beach and not the Daytona race?
Seeing this makes me think about the Pogue. I know the Seiko Pogue doesn't cost enough to be featured on this channel but I'd love to see it as part of a follow up to this video. The external tachy, the contrasting bezel, the real history... Not the politics and money, but history. I wonder if there are more Speedmasters from 70-74 or if there are more Pogues from 70-74 out there today. It would be interesting to see how the numbers worked out comparing a 'cheap', mass produced watch, and a high dollar luxury sanctioned by NASA.
Omega isn’t a luxury watch maker at that time. Its only until the mid-80s when the company under the Swatch Group reposition itself as such. Omega during the 60s is like what Seiko is today.
I want this one..
Wow imo the old one looks too much better
I quite like this watch actually.
Sooooo Omega Speedmaster runner up trades space for tarmac and ends up the runner up to Tags
In all honesty Rolex didn’t crack the market with this watch as a genuine tool watch. As this vid indicated, Rolex’s famous marketing dept did it in the luxury end of the market and only after the Quartz crisis had abated with a trick - the famous racing driver Paul Newman. He also had had great acting skills - and lived in a strange little town called Hollywood. This got their foot in the door and suddenly Daytona became a gold standard. I know of at least 2 other superior tool watch chronograph makers who made watches with case/dial sizes no bigger than Rolex Daytona, but had far greater legibility that you don’t notice their small size - Heuer and Omega. This is perhaps why they captured the motorsport and the new space market in the 60s with the famous Carrera and Speedmaster models respectively, whilst Rolex struggled to find its feet with this hard to read oddball chrono without a name (initially). When you strip away the Bullsh*t marketing tricks and look at the watch for what it is at bare retail price it is a handsome well made watch with novel screw down pushers, but actually it’s not really special as a functional chronograph timepiece at all.
And what does unpopular mean for Rolex? Years later its wayyyy to expensive
The Rolex Speedmaster
It's not just that the Omega Speedmaster was "favorable" in NASA's eyes, it's that it was the only watch on Earth able to pass every single one of the space agency's rigorous tests. The truth is, the Rolex didn't even pass THE FIRST TEST. Instead, it flat-out failed and stopped running. Literally. This is all according to James Ragan, the man who actually did the Apollo watch testing for NASA. Long story short, Rolex is a pile of shit, and you'd be a fool to buy a Daytona over a Speedmaster, whether in 1969 or 2020.
That's just completely false, they weren't as good back then due to the movement being crap, modern daytonas are better than modern day speedmasters and you're delusional if you think otherwise, but speedmasters are 20k cheaper and do the same job so they're the better option but I'd take a zenith chronomaster over both to actually use since they're more accurate than both
Rolex makes money, omega make watches
the daytona was sold for 15.5m not 17 ....
How to be a Daytona fan? Drive a daytona to daytona 500 in a daytona and wear a daytona.
Great
Do a piece on Hublot and why it gets a bad rap
Komor Uddin I used to be fan of Hublot. Pieces like King Power Foudroyante or that 4000m diver are so cool but the brand is focusing way too much on making random special editions
Komor Uddin they get a bad rap because they use base ETA in their fusion range and charge 10 times what a Hamilton does which uses the same. They’re also too blingy for most people who can actually afford them and thus usually only get seen on the wrists of those who see it as just a status symbol such as rappers and sports stars.
Chris Some of their inhouse movements are pretty cool tho like that Foudroyante. Split second chrono that also calculates seconds with 1/8 accuracy. If that movement was released by lets say like PP or Audemars Piguet it would cost propably 50k and people would still praise it but because it is Hublot, no one gives a shit.
Hyppyrotta I think Hublot have to choose a path and stick to it though..... Either top quality in house or modified ETA. Other brands such as Tag Heuer have made the same mistakes by producing top pieces but also a load of crap.
Chris Agreed!
you are the hottest YT watch channel right now.
Good to know that rolex copied omega not the other way around
Rest in the good news 💐🌑👍 Okay bye