Used Tesla is the way to go. Tesla Model 3 can last up to 300,000 to 500,000 miles per Elon Musk. Plus Tesla has a 100,000 miles battery warranty. Plus, there is a $4,000 federal tax credit. Plus, your state may offer a tax credit. There is less maintenance than a used gas car. The Hertz deals are great because they are 2021 or 2022 models and have less of a chance of something going wrong. Last thing, a lot of wealthy people buy used cars.
Note: The $4000 tax credit only applies to used cars a) whose model year is 2 or more years past the current calendar year and b) whose price is less than $25,000.
This is why we love you Joy! ❤️ You always give us valuable information on the Tesla ownership experience. One of the reasons why I tell people “ don’t believe everything you read or hear on the news, talk to Tesla owners ( and any EV owner )and watch videos by them. And that is why yours is one of those channels that I refer new and future Tesla owners to. Much Love Joy! ✌🏽👍🏾
Lots of misinformation around Tesla and the EV market in general. Very important that we dispel these myths and break down barriers to promote EV ownership!
For reference to anyone who cares. My 2018 model 3 with 185,000 miles says 92% battery at recurrent. And it predicts almost no additional range loss for the next few years. Will be interesting to see.
@@ordinaryhuman5645 I've driven multiple cars to 200k miles and none of the ice cars feel as solid as the EV afterwards. It literally feels the same as when I drove it off the lot.
Thank you Joy! I signed up for Recurrent, and my 2019 Model S Standard Range is sitting at 99% after 5 years! I charge at home and always keep my range at 80%, and very rarely charge to 100% unless I plan on going out of town.
As always, great video. So true that battery health is the most important consideration. If I were in your shoes, I would "sell" my M3 (a vehicle of known history and condition) to my daughter and use that as an excuse to get a Highland for myself. 😊
I need help to buy Tesl model 3 from Tesla dearler because they are not allow to see the car before you pay. You have to pay anything online or you will lose $500 :(. Anyone have any ideas how get one with good condition. Thanks
Nice video Joy. At the beginning where you said mileage is no longer the main factor I agree, but recently I have also started to wonder if reported degradation is key or not? I used to think that battery degradation was the figure to look at, but looking at real life battery failures they seem to go from: no problem, working well, low degradation to suddenly won't charge. And the factor involving that seems to be whether or not a battery been mainly fast charged or slow charged. Just my thoughts. Hope you find a good used deal for your daughter :)
As someone that just bought a used Tesla I can confirm that Recurrent battery report is helpful for comparison purposes but it not the most accurate thing, the battery rating of 95 does not mean the battery has 95% capacity left
@@quintonpace2311 that’s what I was assuming as well when doing research, but I looked at a few used options that actually had the battery tested and the worst example was a 2018 model, the free Recurrent battery score was a 90 but when the dealer tested the battery they said it’s somewhere between 62-68% battery life left, which made more sense because the batteries were 6+ years old at that point
@@quintonpace2311 basically I think that free battery score from Recurrent is more of a best case estimate mostly based on car mileage not actual battery use
@@TeslaJoy I got it from common sense. If a battery has a rating of 95 out of a possible 100 the natural first thought is that battery has 95% life left (or 5% degradation). You are correct it does not say battery score = battery % but they don’t make that very clear on the report in my opinion. As mentioned above I looked at one with a battery score of 90 but was actually tested to about 62% battery life left which was a little misleading in my opinion because that’s I big gap between battery score vs actual battery life left 🤷🏼♂️
UPDATE: After > hr trying, Unable to get Recurrent to accept my VIN(s). I'm cysec, tried everything. Requesting support. Anyone else? Great news/reporting! Yes mileage not so important, but battery "abuse" is. So Recurrent log analyzers can dl & compare battery condition parameters? Perfect!
Is there any way to check for a faulty battery before buying a used EV? Faulty charging system? Is it an issue where the battery works sometimes but not others that I need to watch out for? I'm afraid everything will work when I'm there but once I drive it off a lot it will stop working.
I don't recommend buying a used Tesla ftom Tesla. Tesla isn't any better than a traditional dealer at cleaning and reconditioning the car. At least the traditional dealer allows you to see, inspect, and test drive it, without putting down a non-refundable deposit like Tesla requires.
I wouldn’t recommend buying it used, to me the lease option is a better deal. A battery replacement will cost you 20k down the road, not to mention you will have a really old car when it’s do. Will you feel comfortable dropping 20k on a 10 to 15 year old car? Chances are you won’t.
EV haters are funny. They don't realize buying an EV with high mileage is just fine. Tesla motors just don't fail and acceleration is just as strong as day one. Battery health is just a minor worry. I'd be happy to still have 200-250 miles for daily driving
@@mowcowbell Because people who have rented from them, have used it like crap and Hertz did not even fix it because of cost. Heard horror stories about their cars.. would not trust their batteries, becasue you have no idea how they charged the cars, seats were damaged, one person had their control arm broken.
Bought 2 cars from Hertz still drives fine, ... use your eyes and ears, or bring a mechanic with you... you can buy a 2022 m3 with 60k miles for $20k... park it next to the guy who bought it for $46k
Rental cars are abused by customers. It’s not theirs and they don’t care about maintaining it. Nearly all charging is on a supercharger which is not as good as home charging. There’s a good reason why Hertz prices are so low. Buyer beware.
Joy, this is a no-brainer! Your daughter wants a used model 3 and you have one in great condition. Wouldn’t you want your daughter to have a well maintained car. You KNOW the history of this car and don’t know the history of a Hertz EV. Your daughter should have saved some money to contribute. You and your former husband should contribute too. Get yourself a new model 3. You deserve it.
Make sure you watch this. ruclips.net/video/ThsaCGoifug/видео.htmlsi=4ZqlqQmhX8g27tKN Also my daughter is not my biological daughter. She’s my former step daughter and I have no legal obligations over her.
@@TeslaJoygood to know. Most likely I would be buying from a dealer so if they agreed to set it up would the app pull all the charging and trip data or does it only start data collection going forward?
@@TeslaJoyhow does it report the real world range? Maybe I’m just not getting what the app is designed to do but I thought you mentioned that it collects and analyzes data from the car. If that is true does it collect and analyze say a year or 2 back or can it only look forward?
@@TeslaJoyto use an example I used the VIN (5YJ3E1EBXNF109668) of a 2022 long range that I’m interested in. It has a reported score of 97. Sounds nice but what does it really mean in terms of range loss or anything that really matters when determining the value?
Buying a used EV is not the same as buying used ICE. Firstly, need to consider the mileage. Low 20K miles is fine. A battery pack can degrade easily on charging habits(frequent single digit discharge and prolonged 95% charging, or frequent super charging is bad for the overall cycle life). Also high current L2/L3 is not good for a non silicon carbide PCS on RWD models. Buying from a single owner is good. LFP models are a bit better in battery degradation than NCM, but are available only on single motor configurations. Buying an used rental is not a good idea, since the battery is likely thrashed due to frequent and incorrect super charging. Also a single cell failures are catastrophic on the fully sealed structural packs. Again EV battery packs can fail anytime(driving with coolant line burst), buying used at a discount is a risky decision. There is a definite possibility of outliers that cannot be easily factored in. Not sure of the 3rd party assurance🤞, unless they provide a money back warranty for their report(Even Tesla does not warranty their 500k packs beyond 120k miles, which should mean something🤔)😂❤👍
I did watch in full, there is no warranty with recurrent report, seems similar to carfax, except they just collect datapoints from multiple vehicles, to guestimate the expected battery life. All they can do, is measure the cell voltages, charge, discharge cycles, to evaluate the internal resistance of the individual cells served by the BMS. As cells age, their internal resistance increases. Also, if the cells have deviation in their voltages, that cannot be addressed by the BMS balancing, it could pinpoint a potential issue. But all this info. can verywell be ascertained by other diagnostic apps, that use the same data provided by Teslas BMS. Only difference is the additional correlation, if available. Still will not give good numbers without sufficient data points. Since the battery pack themselves, go over varying assembly process, and vary from batch to batch, it is difficult to estimate the expected life precisely. The point is, the battery health report is good than no history. It is more like a doctor diagnosing a patient, with limited information enquiry, might work well if there is a flu that is going around, but cannot diagnose anything specific to patients lifestyle and genetics. Just my 2 cents.
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Used Tesla is the way to go. Tesla Model 3 can last up to 300,000 to 500,000 miles per Elon Musk. Plus Tesla has a 100,000 miles battery warranty. Plus, there is a $4,000 federal tax credit. Plus, your state may offer a tax credit. There is less maintenance than a used gas car. The Hertz deals are great because they are 2021 or 2022 models and have less of a chance of something going wrong. Last thing, a lot of wealthy people buy used cars.
Note: The $4000 tax credit only applies to used cars a) whose model year is 2 or more years past the current calendar year and b) whose price is less than $25,000.
This is why we love you Joy! ❤️ You always give us valuable information on the Tesla ownership experience. One of the reasons why I tell people “ don’t believe everything you read or hear on the news, talk to Tesla owners ( and any EV owner )and watch videos by them. And that is why yours is one of those channels that I refer new and future Tesla owners to. Much Love Joy! ✌🏽👍🏾
Thank you for your support since day 1! 🫶
Lots of misinformation around Tesla and the EV market in general. Very important that we dispel these myths and break down barriers to promote EV ownership!
My next car will Be a used Tesla model y unless I find a really good deal on a model 3
For reference to anyone who cares. My 2018 model 3 with 185,000 miles says 92% battery at recurrent. And it predicts almost no additional range loss for the next few years. Will be interesting to see.
How do you mainly charge?
@@jamie-ck6js all supercharging
That battery is out of warranty, ouch
Not too shabby. A typical ICE car tends to be end of life at that mileage, though maybe not when they're piled on that quickly.
@@ordinaryhuman5645 I've driven multiple cars to 200k miles and none of the ice cars feel as solid as the EV afterwards. It literally feels the same as when I drove it off the lot.
Thank you so much for this insight! I just ordered a used Model X and Recurrent gives it a score of 92. 😄🙌🏽
Nice!
Thank you Joy! I signed up for Recurrent, and my 2019 Model S Standard Range is sitting at 99% after 5 years! I charge at home and always keep my range at 80%, and very rarely charge to 100% unless I plan on going out of town.
Wow nice!
As always, great video. So true that battery health is the most important consideration. If I were in your shoes, I would "sell" my M3 (a vehicle of known history and condition) to my daughter and use that as an excuse to get a Highland for myself. 😊
Totally agree 👍🏼
Haha!
I need help to buy Tesl model 3 from Tesla dearler because they are not allow to see the car before you pay. You have to pay anything online or you will lose $500 :(. Anyone have any ideas how get one with good condition. Thanks
Nice video Joy. At the beginning where you said mileage is no longer the main factor I agree, but recently I have also started to wonder if reported degradation is key or not?
I used to think that battery degradation was the figure to look at, but looking at real life battery failures they seem to go from: no problem, working well, low degradation to suddenly won't charge. And the factor involving that seems to be whether or not a battery been mainly fast charged or slow charged.
Just my thoughts.
Hope you find a good used deal for your daughter :)
As someone that just bought a used Tesla I can confirm that Recurrent battery report is helpful for comparison purposes but it not the most accurate thing, the battery rating of 95 does not mean the battery has 95% capacity left
Then what does it mean? To me, it means the battery has 5% degradation.
@@quintonpace2311 that’s what I was assuming as well when doing research, but I looked at a few used options that actually had the battery tested and the worst example was a 2018 model, the free Recurrent battery score was a 90 but when the dealer tested the battery they said it’s somewhere between 62-68% battery life left, which made more sense because the batteries were 6+ years old at that point
@@quintonpace2311 basically I think that free battery score from Recurrent is more of a best case estimate mostly based on car mileage not actual battery use
They never said 95 = 95% capacity. Not sure where you got the idea from.
@@TeslaJoy I got it from common sense. If a battery has a rating of 95 out of a possible 100 the natural first thought is that battery has 95% life left (or 5% degradation). You are correct it does not say battery score = battery % but they don’t make that very clear on the report in my opinion. As mentioned above I looked at one with a battery score of 90 but was actually tested to about 62% battery life left which was a little misleading in my opinion because that’s I big gap between battery score vs actual battery life left 🤷🏼♂️
UPDATE: After > hr trying, Unable to get Recurrent to accept my VIN(s). I'm cysec, tried everything. Requesting support. Anyone else?
Great news/reporting! Yes mileage not so important, but battery "abuse" is. So Recurrent log analyzers can dl & compare battery condition parameters? Perfect!
Please contact Recurrent.
Is there any way to check for a faulty battery before buying a used EV? Faulty charging system? Is it an issue where the battery works sometimes but not others that I need to watch out for? I'm afraid everything will work when I'm there but once I drive it off a lot it will stop working.
Using reports like Recurrent shows battery info.
This was so vital!!! Thank you so much 💯🎉
I don't recommend buying a used Tesla ftom Tesla. Tesla isn't any better than a traditional dealer at cleaning and reconditioning the car. At least the traditional dealer allows you to see, inspect, and test drive it, without putting down a non-refundable deposit like Tesla requires.
@@conchobar it’s just like only 200$ bucks 😅😂
Tesla gives you 1 extra year of warranty when bought used. What do you think about that?
Honestly debating purchasing Tesla model 3 from Tesla or Carvana or this Honda dealer has a 2023 under 12k miles for 30K
@@moiwarning what did you decide to do and how is it going?
How di connect my Tesla to the Recurrent platform
I wouldn’t recommend buying it used, to me the lease option is a better deal. A battery replacement will cost you 20k down the road, not to mention you will have a really old car when it’s do. Will you feel comfortable dropping 20k on a 10 to 15 year old car? Chances are you won’t.
Not everyone can afford a new car.
How does recurrent do this when Tesla can not?
Tesla totally can, they just don’t right now.
Really good info Joy
EV haters are funny. They don't realize buying an EV with high mileage is just fine. Tesla motors just don't fail and acceleration is just as strong as day one. Battery health is just a minor worry. I'd be happy to still have 200-250 miles for daily driving
Pls don’t spread that secret , let them stick with ICE cars so we can have the luxury of choosing our cheaper Tesla’s 😅without competition. 😄
Would not recommend buying a tesla from Hertz!
Why not? I found a 2023 Tesla Model 3 Base with 19K miles on the Hertz sales lot in OKC for $28K. Appears to be lightly used, not abused.
@@mowcowbell Because people who have rented from them, have used it like crap and Hertz did not even fix it because of cost. Heard horror stories about their cars..
would not trust their batteries, becasue you have no idea how they charged the cars, seats were damaged, one person had their control arm broken.
Bought 2 cars from Hertz still drives fine, ... use your eyes and ears, or bring a mechanic with you... you can buy a 2022 m3 with 60k miles for $20k... park it next to the guy who bought it for $46k
Rental cars are abused by customers. It’s not theirs and they don’t care about maintaining it. Nearly all charging is on a supercharger which is not as good as home charging. There’s a good reason why Hertz prices are so low. Buyer beware.
So are you saying if you don't have a home charger, don't buy a tesla?
Joy, this is a no-brainer! Your daughter wants a used model 3 and you have one in great condition. Wouldn’t you want your daughter to have a well maintained car. You KNOW the history of this car and don’t know the history of a Hertz EV.
Your daughter should have saved some money to contribute. You and your former husband should contribute too. Get yourself a new model 3. You deserve it.
Make sure you watch this. ruclips.net/video/ThsaCGoifug/видео.htmlsi=4ZqlqQmhX8g27tKN
Also my daughter is not my biological daughter. She’s my former step daughter and I have no legal obligations over her.
@@TeslaJoy Pardon me, I didn't know that. Getting personal was not my intention.
Thank you. :)
If the used EV that I’m looking isn’t connected to recurrent to get real battery data then what good is their report?
Then you should tell the used EV seller to connect to it. This platform is new so they need everyone to spread the news. It’s free.
@@TeslaJoygood to know. Most likely I would be buying from a dealer so if they agreed to set it up would the app pull all the charging and trip data or does it only start data collection going forward?
@krisevon Recurrent only reports on real world range info, how the battery is performing, and what the estimated resale value is.
@@TeslaJoyhow does it report the real world range? Maybe I’m just not getting what the app is designed to do but I thought you mentioned that it collects and analyzes data from the car. If that is true does it collect and analyze say a year or 2 back or can it only look forward?
@@TeslaJoyto use an example I used the VIN (5YJ3E1EBXNF109668) of a 2022 long range that I’m interested in. It has a reported score of 97. Sounds nice but what does it really mean in terms of range loss or anything that really matters when determining the value?
if you get it under 25k, you can get a 4k tax break
How do you apply for that tax break?
@@jeffbap you don't, the dealer does
Good info since Hertz is unloading Tesla Model 3's and Y's to the used car market. There are at least a dozen for sale on the Hertz Sales lot in OKC.
Thank you!
Model S are going under 20,000.
@@JohnWick-su2nh Model X have falcon wing doors.
You mentioned Tesla sells pre-owned (probably returned from lease) at the beginning of the video. Does Tesla provide any guarantees with these cars?
According to used inventory it comes with one year used car warranty. You can read it on the page of each used vehicle.
Also Hertz provides a 12 month/12,000 mile powertrain warranty + whatever is left on the Tesla warranty. Check their website for details.
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Have you seen any Model 3 sold by Hertz? It’s TRASH!
There are people who have bought from Hertz and have had zero issues, too. The key is to know what to look for, which is the point of this video.
@@TeslaJoy THIS! Thanks! :)
Let your daughter drive your car and you can upgrade to something newer (not necessarily new)!
No.
Buying a used EV is not the same as buying used ICE. Firstly, need to consider the mileage. Low 20K miles is fine. A battery pack can degrade easily on charging habits(frequent single digit discharge and prolonged 95% charging, or frequent super charging is bad for the overall cycle life). Also high current L2/L3 is not good for a non silicon carbide PCS on RWD models. Buying from a single owner is good. LFP models are a bit better in battery degradation than NCM, but are available only on single motor configurations. Buying an used rental is not a good idea, since the battery is likely thrashed due to frequent and incorrect super charging. Also a single cell failures are catastrophic on the fully sealed structural packs. Again EV battery packs can fail anytime(driving with coolant line burst), buying used at a discount is a risky decision. There is a definite possibility of outliers that cannot be easily factored in. Not sure of the 3rd party assurance🤞, unless they provide a money back warranty for their report(Even Tesla does not warranty their 500k packs beyond 120k miles, which should mean something🤔)😂❤👍
Please make sure you watch this video in its entirety before commenting.
I did watch in full, there is no warranty with recurrent report, seems similar to carfax, except they just collect datapoints from multiple vehicles, to guestimate the expected battery life. All they can do, is measure the cell voltages, charge, discharge cycles, to evaluate the internal resistance of the individual cells served by the BMS. As cells age, their internal resistance increases. Also, if the cells have deviation in their voltages, that cannot be addressed by the BMS balancing, it could pinpoint a potential issue. But all this info. can verywell be ascertained by other diagnostic apps, that use the same data provided by Teslas BMS. Only difference is the additional correlation, if available. Still will not give good numbers without sufficient data points. Since the battery pack themselves, go over varying assembly process, and vary from batch to batch, it is difficult to estimate the expected life precisely. The point is, the battery health report is good than no history. It is more like a doctor diagnosing a patient, with limited information enquiry, might work well if there is a flu that is going around, but cannot diagnose anything specific to patients lifestyle and genetics. Just my 2 cents.
@@aware2action as I mentioned, battery is the most important thing to consider when buying a used EV.
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