As a former Uber-Hertz Tesla renter, I put about 100K miles on these cars and they kept on going, i babied the hell out of them. I'm really annoyed so many of the other drivers best these things up do badly, but I'm glad some of them are surviving into other hands. I started up my own Turo fleet of Teslas just recently, and even got myself an S Plaid and Cyberbeast. Will never drive any othdr brand at this point.
I bought a 2022 Model 3 RWD from a car dealer in the Phoenix Metro area. Here are some points: 1. My car had 77,318 when I bought it. 2. Tesla has given me a month of FSD, and frankly, I don't like it that much, it is really buggy. I probably wouldn't use it much even if it were free. It does work at times, but at night it really has problems. 3. I live in AZ, and it's temperatures are reaching nearly 100 degrees F. That has caused me to lose 40% - 50% of my range because the car's heat pump is constantly cooling the battery. My neighbor has a 2024 RWD Model Y and he is experiencing the same drop in range - so it is a common problem with all Teslas when the temperature gets over 86 degrees F. 4. I use Sentry Mode away from home. I have not experienced that much phantom drain. 5. I also have cabin cooling set at 95 degrees to cool the interior. I try not to leave it in the sun too much. 6. Recurrent stated that my range for the care is 95% of the 272, which is 258 miles. I have had it charge on a Tesla supercharger up to 264. At home on my Level 2 Tesla charger, it charges to 254. But keep in mind that I have 19" wheels on my Model 3. That lowers the range by about 10 miles from 18" wheels. I think that if I got 18" wheels, I would probably be very close to the 272 mile brand new range. 7. Though it is hard to pin down, I think my actual loss of battery range capacity is around 3%. But I would have to do an actual analysis of the battery to confirm that. Recurrent states that the battery capacity is at 95%. Either way, I haven't lost much range. 8. It charges from 30% - 80% on a Tesla supercharger in less than 20 minutes. It goes from 30% -95% in about 30 minutes. My Tesla Level 2 Universal Wall connector charges the car at 8 KW per hour. I have a 62.3 KW battery, so it charge from 0% -100% in about 7.5 hours. 9. When it was cooler here in AZ I was getting over 225 miles of range, and that is not driving slow, or trying to get the best mileage. I would guess that if I drove it at the speed limit when it is cool outside, I would get close to 260 miles of range, maybe more. 10. Luckily, my car had no damage on it except for the rims. The rims had been repaired and the repair paint was peeling. I spoke to the dealer and he did provide $250.00 to me towards the repair of the rims. Oddly, even with this glaring defect, the rims still look very good. I have not decided whether I will repair these rims or buy new aftermarket 18" rims. 11. The tires appear to be nearly brand new. Again, I got lucky. 12. The paint is in very good shape, and I have no dings, luckily. 13. I do have a slight (quiet) creaking noise in the front of the cabin, and I am not sure where it is coming from. It sounds like it is either the plastic dash mount or around the steering wheel. It is barely noticeable, and so I am not too concerned about it. Other than that, everything in the cabin looks brand new, including the carpet. 14. I have the LFP battery, the matrix headlights and the advanced FSD computer. 15. The acceleration is amazing. I suspect the 0 -60 mph is much faster than the 5.8-second spec. 16. I DO like the self-parking feature of the FSD. I will miss that when my free trial is over.
Did anyone else notice the Hertz Teslas had much higher mileage than the other Evs Hertz was selling? A 2022 with 55K miles does not sound like a car nobody wanted to rent.
No one said they didn’t want to be rented. The high cost of accidents and major down time to get them fixed was a major factor for Hertz ditching them.
Been using the FSD trial in my 2023 Model 3 Tessie. Very much improved. I tested it for 4 hours yesterday. A few mistakes when first testing it (may have been me not the car!) but after an hour or so it was virtually perfect driving around town, just a glitch or two driving in my neighborhood. Love the "auto max speed" option. On Interstate 95, in moderate Saturday traffic, it was perfect, merging on and off the highway, keeping up with traffic, etc. In four hours of driving, zero phantom braking (I really hope they have fixed this, scares my wife so I don't even use autopilot when she is with me). When I left my son's house, I could have gone to sleep and arrived at my home about 30 minutes away in the same town (all city driving) if I did not have to hold on to the steering wheel. Will probably buy it for a month when I go on road trips this coming summer. I agree with what he says about the M3 holding the road. The M3 is really stuck to the road corners well, etc.
I like the auto-max but I also don't like it. I wish there were an easy way to override it and tell it to slow down (like...the scroll wheel!?). There are places here where I'd be worried about a ticket but it's generally fine with how it speeds. I've been eyeing the "S3XY Buttons" accessory and I wonder if it has one for toggling the automatic speed set on/off. Also would love one for toggling the "minimal lane changes" option. (I hate that I have to set it every time) I like your point about buying it for a month for road-tripping. That's clever.
Purchased a 23 Model 3 form Hertz. A few issues with some dings and scratches. All are reparable. I did replace the tires due to a previous repair starting leak. The tire shop got them to pay for three new tires. I was out $400 for one. For the price i paid i am still not upset about it. Love the car.
@@memenbower6573 I would not buy a EV even for $1 In CA registration and insurance is about double and I don't want to be at the mercy of Electric grid!
I have a 2019 M3 and my build quality is superb, zero issues. Mine was a late September build not sure if that had anything to do with it. I'm at 70k miles with zero issues other then the 12v battery was replaced a few months back at a cost of $116 and Tesla came to my house and installed at that price which I thought was amazing.
That’s all good to hear. The 2019 that I took the trip in had over 120k miles on it. It drove perfectly, but it had interior trim pieces falling off, a broken passenger seat recline button, to name a few. That one may have just been driven hard.
@@royaltyallen1162 This is a video about Tesla's, I think most folks know what I mean, if not, then well, too bad, I'm pretty sure they will be fine with their confusion. I personally don't know nothing about BMWs except I would never buy or own one.
@@royaltyallen1162 I don't typically talk or post about them since I don't have any experience with them but perhaps I probably would. sometimes I type out Model but sometimes I don't, just depends on the situation and my mood I guess, I mostly do type out model but this time I didn't choose to.
Thanks! Couldn’t resist. I guess seeing all those Teslas at Hertz Car Sales reminded me of the pound and when we adopted our dog. The car even behaved like her for the first week and didn’t know where home was (because of the delay in ownership transfer, but still…)
Thank you for your videos. You gave us some of the best real world info when we got our Bolt EUV a few months ago and inspired us to have the confidence to get a second EV recently. We went with a Mach E instead of a Tesla though.
So glad you made this video. I’m in your generation & thinking of getting a used Model 3. There are many videos on this subject made by people who are extremely knowledgeable about Tesla’s but it seems their number one concern is just the fact that there are USED cars. I had similar thoughts as you stated about wear & tear & other things that come with buying any used vehicles. You have provided thoughtful answers to some of my concerns. Kudos.
Luckily with used EVs, there's a lot less that could go wrong/be abused with it, vs a gas car- there have to worry re missed oil/fluid & other key services, transmission abuse, overheating, etc... plus all the moving/critical parts that can wear out (belts, pumps, etc)... EVs, simply, don't have any of that! While bad drivers might drive it hard and maybe damage suspension (as w/ any used/rental car), maybe worse they do is poorly treat battery? But Hertz and many others have RecurrentAuto battery health/degradation reports (sometimes can look up VIN if they don't give you report), and also Teslas have hidden Service Mode w/ onboard diagnostics showing recent error messages and faults (easier than digging out OBD2 reader)... the battery warranty should still last long time unless you drive a LOT like the @spinnerEV does... the BMS system should mostly protect the battery, unless someone left it at 0% for a long time? Most RWD/rentals are LFP batteries which are more resilient and can handle 100% charging better, and last longer.
I got a 44k mi model y from them about 6 weeks ago it’s been awesome so far People are surprised it’s used and in disbelief it was a rental car, it’s got the upgraded wheels and stereo. I did have to drive 2 hours for the hertz that had this; in the Bay Area they’re basically sold out everywhere. Hertz was great to work with and I got a great deal with full mfr warranty other ev’s can’t even compete with. 👏👏
Great video. I agree with everything you said. During our week long rental of our model 3 I felt the firm ride vs our Bolt, the phantom breaking of auto pilot on several occasions but really liked autopilot on the interstate. Being 6’2” I was not impressed on how low it sat and ducking to get in but it is a great car. Stay safe.
I almost went for Hertz but the only one I could find for at/under $25k (M3LR) was across the nation from me. It'd be a fun road trip but realistically couldn't happen. I like seeing your attitude on dings and dents and normal wear, and I fully agree. My Leaf before this had a huge ding in the back panel but it was really just cosmetic and I didn't care. Some people get too worked up over their cars. The difference between basic Autopilot and EAP/FSD is why I went with my car. (I test-drove a '21 and was really disappointed with Autopilot disengaging on lane changes, for instance.) My car has FSD and I got it cheap. It's a 2019, so I'm missing out on some stuff but honestly, none of it is a deal-breaker (and things like chrome-delete and power trunk can be modded in...though I love chrome on my white car). The heat pump and heated steering are what I'd want the most...but, honestly? I think I'd rather have warm wheel covers and lose a bit of efficiency if it means I have navigate-on-autopilot and all that goodness including on city streets with FSD. Is it perfect? Nah. Of course not. However, it's generally pretty impressive. I also have a lot of foot pain so being able to stretch my feet while the car drives and I watch carefully around me is massive. I just don't let it drive in stressful situations (e.g. unprotected left turns). If I bought a new car (I was looking at '22 M3LR's), I think I would've eventually caved and bought EAP or paid for a subscription to FSD even though both are insanely expensive. Glad I avoided that financial trap.
I bought one from Hertz! Pretty good experience, but they didn’t really help me with transferring the car to my app…it has 50k on it now and everything you have pointed out on your car, describes mine too. A couple dings and swirls reduces my anxiety. However, today I noticed a knock in the front end and I really have no direction on what to do..who to call 🤷♂️ I should have researched better before buying probably. Thank you for sharing!
@@SpinnerEV thank you!! I called Hertz and they are gonna look at it and see. All the research I’ve done points to control arm..and I know this car had to been abused. We will see what they say..they are supposed to warranty Teslas for 12 months and it’s been almost 2
@Bscheall24 I’m glad they’ll look at it. Keep me posted on how it goes. I was told by another Tesla owner that control arms needing to be replaced is fairly common. As soon as mine starts creaking, I’ll need to do it myself.
My hertz purchase took a day or two before the "renter QR code" phone app access disappeared (that was very handy meantime!), but... next day still didn't come over to my account... we had a roadtrip planned, so I went and added the car to my account via the app, uploading my documentation, and.. in 5minutes, car was in my account, I could supercharger again, etc (THAT was the scary part more than phone app access!) Very slick. Dunno how long would have taken if I had waited for Hertz/Tesla to finish on their end :) I kept the keycard at all times just in case... but other thing I love, once in acct, you can add OTHER phones and keycards for the car- I already had 3 cards from my old Tesla, I just added the same ones as keys to new car, voila! Extra keys at NO cost.
@@SpinnerEV how much did it cost for a control arm replacement? The estimate in the app says $500 for the “banging while driving on uneven surface” option in the app. Hertz wasn’t helpful, they don’t ever call back and will leave bad reviews or whatever else to be a Karen lol. I just said frig it I’ll get it fixed. I appreciate you’re feedback and sorry I didn’t see this until now
Great video! Last year I rented a ‘21 Model 3 Standard Range for Uber purposes and it performed great! I just hated turning it back in to Hertz after 30 days. There are two Hertz Car Sales dealers within a train ride from where I live; I will definitely make a trip to both of them and see what they have to offer.
Just to let you know, cabin overheat protection uses a lot more energy that you might think if you're live in a hot region. I've found that's way more draining than sentry mode or anything else. Especially on the standard range model with the smaller battery. Dog Mode, however, is great for those with pets and well worth it.
Ive always rented cars for business. Ive always noticed, is every little scratch they love to charge you. The tental company always says. "We need to fix it.". Im sure that's what Hertz hold the previous Tesla renter. "We're charging you extra to fix that..." Now you're coming to buy that same Tesla, they billed that previous customer to fix the damage. The same unrepaired damage.They never fixed that. Would it be fraud?
I REALLY rescued a Hertz model 3, it had flooded up to the bottom of the steering wheel in fresh water. Same color, a 2022 MY, it had about 18k miles at the time. Took some $$ to fix but a really superb car. Replaced the upholstery with real Katzkin leather in a black / red pattern, we love it.
@@anonsecret9581 Katzkin requires that their interior kits be installed by one of their dealers, I found one on eBay that had the kit drop shipped directly to me and I installed it myself. I have quite a bit of experience with interior work and it was pretty straightforward. The kit was roughly $800.
I have a few questions. 1. Did you finance? If so, where did you finance through. Hertz? 2. Did it require a high credit score? 3. Did your insurance go up for the Model 3? 4. Were there any obstacles working with Hertz. 5. Are there any hidden costs to getting a Hertz Model 3, that we are not aware of? 6. What kind of home charger are you using? I am looking into buying one from Hertz, so I’m trying to get as much information as possible. Keep up the great work!
Financed through Hertz, decent credit but but didn’t require a high score. Insurance through Geico went up a lot so we switched to Allstate and it was normal. No obstacles or hidden costs. We use a Wallbox Pulsar Plus at home with the adapter.
@@SpinnerEV awesome my friend. Thank you for all the help. M3 is my dream car. Hopefully I can make it happen. Sadly I’m in CT, have to purchase Tesla from Hertz out of state. Hoping for a sweet deal though.
Keep in mind that Tesla are constantly making upgrades. e.g. my Model Y has double pane windows and the upgraded suspension and they didn't announce that anywhere.
It's neat, but.. in practice? How useful? You can crack the windows remotely in the app, and do just fan protection (not AC) which saves some battery, but... car will still get hot, esp. in the sun. Much easier to let it get hot (put in windowshades/park out of sun!), and use app to pre-cool the car a few minutes before you get in... very nice. It's handy though to use "Keep climate on" if I have something in car I don't want to get too hot, for quick errand /stop at another store...
We have owned a 2021 Model 3, now have a Model Y and just recently got our daughter a Bolt. The 3 definitely holds more than the Bolt with the frunk and the deep well in the trunk area. People sleep on the ability to use the frunk for a carry on luggage.
I have a 2021 Y performance and you are right on point when it comes to the way the car tracks around curbs when using autopilot and FSD . It makes me uncomfortable and I disengage it often. I drive it mostly myself in city streets and only use basic autopilot on long hwy trips. Subscribed 😊.
Totally agree with your take on FSD vs basic auto. At $12k, or even $200/month, it's party tricks I have no need or desire for. I like driving so I'd rather do it myself, thank you very much. Basic auto to take the stress off stop-n-go and relieve the tedium of long highway cruise stretches is all I need or want. When I purchase my Model 3 this year I'll give the free month of FSD a whirl, but at $12k I won't be purchasing it. There's an even more fundamental issue with the $12k. If the fundamental purpose of FSD is to produce cars that are "better than human" (as opposed to just enabling robo-taxis), then the only ethical course of action is to make it standard equipment, included in the base price, in every vehicle Tesla sells.
Nice video! 2 yrs ago, I purchased a RWD 2018 long range 3 with 48k miles and it was the best, most reliable car I ever owned. I personally added a 100k miles on it in a year and a half. I only put 2 sets of tires and one 12 volt battery for only $100 which Tesla sent a tech out to my house an hour away from the Tesla store. Never had any issues. Even with only 148k mies it still charged to full at 98% (297 miles). We travels to Colorado 4 times and North Carolina twice and several trips to the gulf coast. Tesla has their charging net work set up to basically go anywhere. Traded it in for a 2023 bolt with 4k miles for only 19k. Love the efficiency of the bolt and less phantom drain. Going to be challenging on travels though. But I will say the Tesla has more phantom drain than the bolt does. My wife also has a model S and it would lose 10 miles over night in cold weather and sometimes even more.
you will never get rid of the wind noise. for one, the frameless windows on the doors do not help, adjustments to the window regulator can be made, however still will not make it perfect. however the highland model is superior inside, you hear nothing. id love to know exactly what they did and see if its adaptable to the 2022-2023 models. the EPA estimates are based off of getting mile for mile range is based off of using 255whpm. the only way you are getting 255whpm is with AC off, or on very low and temp above 65, and no deviation in altitude (hills). if you see 100% charge saying 258 miles you will prob see 240 miles on a range test.
@@zfunk9 Update: 2024 Model3 Highland DOES now qualify for $7.5k tax credits! (except the SR-RWD w/ LFP chinese battery, as always)... also now they added LR-RWD, 360miles, $35k after tax credit, insanely good deal !! Now, just add shift/signal stalk back... :) and the suspension is MUCH MUCH improved, VERY nice vs my 2018 3. Interestingly, our 2023 Hertz model3 RWD has very nice suspension, much softer than my 2018, not as good as 2024 but very acceptable. This despite 19" wheels, odd. Wife is happy
One thing I need to correct, Tesla’s are not Bolts or Leafs so do not use the Term Guess O Meter (GOM) with Tesla Cars. Learn to use the Nav Station and Energy Screen, what it says is what it does as far as range. It’s no Guess. I owned a Nissan Leaf (GOM) and a Volt and currently own 2 Tesla’s. 2 road trips from San Diego to Key West Florida and back with no guessing there. Leave the Bolt in the garage or better yet in the drive way.
If you have phantom breaking, especially in the same place all the time, try recalibrating the cameras, and be sure to drive where it has phantom breaking, that may help!
@@SpinnerEV Keep in mind, though, that this is the LFP version which tops out around 170kw. So significantly slower any other modern Tesla. Except maybe for that short lived mistake of the horrible charging curve 4680 Model Y. But if you're used to a Bolt, then there's a big difference.
I just got a 2022 with 68k, super clean. I’m happy with it, after the $4k instant rebate and them giving me $4k for my Camry that was clapped out, I got it for $16k. If anyone is thinking about getting a Tesla, be prepared to pay Porsche prices on insurance. The national avg is $364 month, I’ve had no accidents in 22 years of driving and no speeding tickets in over 10 years and mine is $224 month lol.
Changed a couple of weeks after I filmed this. I still haven’t gotten the free trial that others have, but I’m considering paying the $100 for our big road trip this fall.
The Carfax was available on the website, and they handed me the printed report after the test without me having to ask for it. It was on of, if not the easiest car buying experience I’ve ever had.
They have some reports, not CarFax but more basic one... most also had a RecurrentAuto battery degradation report (some that didn't, I was able to put in VIN and got it from my Recurrent account.) NOTE, however, the accident history report is NOT comprehensive... Hertz/rental co's tend to fix self or NOT report accidents, so... check carefully. One on the lot had an OBVIOUSLY repaired/repainted 2 doors, the door handle had lots of paint overspray in it, they said had no accident history, but was obvious. I checked under every car to see if any damage to battery case, and went into hidden Service Mode to check for any alerts/error messages... several of them had some transient errors, probably not biggies (especially if you find some under 50k miles w/ tesla warranty), but I picked one w/ the fewest alerts, and least-swirled paint. (all were pretty badly swirled, sigh)
My buddy purchased a 2022 model 3 long range with 54,000 miles a few days ago, with only 4 % degradation getting 262 miles at 80% charge and after trading his ice car and 7500 tax credit he got a 29,990 car for 14,500 bucks! He is really happy 😊PS: it’s red😊
I can't find any documentation that shows that Hertz-sold Tesla cars still retain their battery and drivetrain warranty.....would be nice as this is a big deal.
@@SpinnerEV would you happen to know whether the vehicle title you received from the DMV was branded? For example, cars with a salvage title doesn't receive battery warranty, but....
@@SpinnerEV Thanks. That's a big deal and seals a good deal doing business with Hertz. The mileage may be higher, but that battery/drivetrain warranty is paramount. I'm working with a Tesla SC where we were discussing just this very topic with CA cars that are branded, meaning it's impossible to have Tesla Insurance provide vehicle coverage!
dont even worry about the FSD. its pretty bad. the best way to describe it, it drives like a southern californian. confused, lost, not paying attention, slams on the brakes at a yellow light, changes lanes for no reason, misses exits on the highway. its more stressful than driving it myself.
Hertz prices aren’t really negotiable, kind of like Tesla does used cars. The price may fluctuate day to day, but at the time the prices at Hertz were already a couple of thousand lower than anywhere else near me.
@@SpinnerEV Hertz had very few 2022 Model 3's earlier this year. They could have been held-back to unload the 2023's (and no tax credit). Now, the price on the 2023 has dropped about $5k
@Spinner EV I just bought a M3 from Hertz; thank you for such a great informative video! The problem I'm having is that the Hertz driver profile is still available as a driver. Did you encounter this, too? I tried deleting the profile, but it is telling me to do it in the app, logging in as the driver, and then being removed as a driver. I don't have access to that since it's Hertz. I feel that I need to contact Tesla.
How long since you took delivery? It took mine a week for the transfer to process through the Tesla software. I also contacted Tesla directly through the Tesla app. I’d recommend doing that if you haven’t already.
@@SpinnerEV Took delivery two days ago, honestly, it was instant to show the car in my Tesla app as the owner of the car. And I was able to see my profile in the car and also add my wife as a driver. But I still see the Hertz driver profile. I don't know How to delete or reset that profile. I will be contacting Tesla on the app. Thanks for the answer!
Great video! I was looking at Hertz for both those cars and can't decide what I should do. I'm using a 2023 Chevy Bolt EUV rental and really like the range in the warm weather. I'm getting a full charge right now of 290 with a "Max" range of 342. (which is incredible.) I also like the car overall. I can also go for the 2022 Tesla 3 Long Range and get the tax credit. Bottom line...a $5000 difference. So....What to get? I do Uber part time and know the drop in range on the Bolt in cold weather is brutal. At the same time, I'm hearing the Telsa battery degradation is not good. What would you do?
It depends on what equipment you want and how often you’d fast charge. The Tesla will charge faster at a DC fast charger and has some other bell and whistles that my Bolt doesn’t have (it’s a 1LT). Best advice I can give is try to drive one of each if possible before deciding and go with what feels best
@@SpinnerEV I don't mind not having the extra features. (The stereo is amazingly great in the Bolt btw) I also forgot to mention the difference in miles on each car. The Tesla is 58,000 while the Bolt is only 17,000. Again....the range between the two in the winter time is my biggest concern. I rented a Kia Niro last year and it was brutal.
I just bought my model 3 from hertz and was wondering how you will be notified when the transfer through tesla is complete? Will it just show up on my tesla app with my other car and batteries or do I need to add it manually?
I contacted Tesla about two days after taking delivery. I don’t know if that did anything, but a week after taking delivery the car showed up in the app.
My hertz purchase took 1-2days before the "renter QR code" phone access disappeared, but I didn't get on my account after another day... I couldn't wait longer (coming roadtrip, needed supercharger access back!), so I just added car to my account via the app, uploaded pics of my sales/driver lic docs as prompted, and... FIVE MINUTES I had the car, impressive. Loved that I could add my existing old Tesla keycards as new keys, too!
Hertz price was fixed, the individual stores don’t set the prices, but was already the lowest in my area. The Hertz prices fluctuate from day to day similar to buying used from Tesla.
@@SpinnerEV Hertz at least in my area, should support the instant point-of-sale $4k rebates? They say eligible, so should... but Ours was 2023, so not 2yrs old, so didn't qualify...
I used to do that as well when we first started doing curbside pickup. During the pandemic, the store we go to put up signs telling us to stay in our vehicle instead and kept the signs up.
It would depend on what charge you arrive at a super charger. Usually you type your route into the navigation and the car will plot charging stations along your route. You can change the stops in the car if you want to stop earlier or later based on convenience. Otherwise the car will generally try to get you to a charging station where you have pretty low charge (3-15%). The reason for this being that the lower the charge, the faster it charges. When I’ve gotten to a charger with such low charge, it will take about 10 minutes to get to about 60%. Whenever I stop I usually use the restroom and maybe grab some water and it takes 15-20 minutes. Usually it’ll get me back up to 70-75% within that 15-20 minutes. If I want closer to 80 I usually stay another 5-10 minutes and I’ll just watch a show on the screen or play games on my phone. Overall stop times for me have been around 15-30 minutes. Another thing is that the car will generally make you stop an extra stop so that it stays on the lower end so that your stops are shorter due to the faster charging rates at those lower charges. I also had huge doubts doing road trips with the car but I was surprised at how painless it was. Granted I live in California so there is an abundance of stations. Overall most of my charging is done at home and I don’t do THAT many road trips per year. So the extra time it takes compared to filling up a car has been a non-issue and because I don’t really sit at gas stations on my day to day driving, I’m sure I’ve more than made up for my time on the road trips.
You don't need adapter/charger for supercharging, or Tesla destination charging... what comes w/ the hertz cars tends to be hit or miss, at least on sales, assume rentals also. Might not have the mobile charger (level1, supports level 2 w/ plug adapters, who knows what they include), many cars on the lot were also missing the $50 J1772 adapter for non-Tesla level2 public charging eg ChargePoint
@@SpinnerEVwatch a few videos on paint correction. Even a rank beginner using cheap harbor freight tools can remove many marks and leave paint looking MUCH better.
@jamesobleton6450 the car or the warranty? Cars are mid 20k. If it’s under $25k and 2022 or older it can get the $4k tax credit on your next year’s tax return. Hertz doesn’t do point of sale tax credit (at least they didn’t when I got mine.) As for warranty, too many variables to guess. Best to ask them.
I cant get past the fact that these cars are accessed by others over the air. It could be shutdown at anytime and its a boat anchor then. Wait around and wait around for all this transfer crap. Not for me
@arnoldm889 that is correct. However, Hertz offers a 7 day buy back period, and their thinking at the time was that would complicate the process of doing the tax credit at point of sale, so they just gave me the paperwork to claim it next year.
@@SpinnerEV I can pick up a brand new model Y RWD in Washington State for 30,500 after all incentives. There aren't anymore 2024 model 3 to buy. If there were, it would have been around 25,000. There's no EV sales tax in Washington State.
@@SpinnerEV MYTH! "The results show no statistically significant difference in range degradation between Teslas that fast charge more than 90% of the time and those that fast charge less than 10% of the time." Recurrent Auto Charging Study.
@@waynerussell6401 yeah tesloop blasted that b.s. about quick charging killing batteries many years ago! They had a model X lr with over 320,000 miles on its pack that had multiple daily sc sessions. 😎
i have the LFP battery, it rarely ever charges over 80-100kwh so its not really getting zapped at super high speeds compared to a level 2, and they generally hold up pretty well compared to the non LFP batteries, they also have 3x the rated charge cycles.
You are not mentioning the nearly $400 weekly rental. That's 2-3 days revenue to pay off. To maintain same net revenue, add about 20 more hours of drive time. You mislead on the lower fuel cost. It's only about $30 per week cheaper than my ICE. Acceleration is awesome but you're fooling yourself if you think that increases you ride count. You better watch out for those speeding tickets every mile. Those times you charge cost you money at stores/restaurants that you wouldn't have done with ICE. You actually admit spending $$$. I rented model 3 for one month and spent 25 hours at charging stations and not a single penny of pay for doing it. At my $34 hour lifetime earns, average, that's $850 I could have made with my ICE.
I didn’t rent this car, I purchased it from Hertz after it was retired, so there is no $400 weekly rental for me. I also don’t drive this car for a ride share company, so I have no ride count to consider. It’s my personal daily driver that is charged at home unless I am on a road trip. When on a road trip, charging costs are about 80% of what gasoline costs would be. However, 95% of the time or more it’s charged at my home while I’m either asleep or otherwise occupied. My work commute and other driving without road trips works out to roughly 350 miles per week, and I use about $12 of electricity to do that which is about a third of what the gasoline car it replaced would have cost at the pump. I watch my speed carefully so no tickets, maybe in my younger days.
@Jimboit2 Are you sure you’re commenting on the correct video? Yes, I am the person in this video. I just rewatched it to make sure that what I’m commenting here is accurate. I say between 0:05 and 0:10 that the car is purchased from Hertz Car Sales and that it is a retired rental car. Before the 2 minute mark I talk about the ownership transfer in the Tesla app. That means that I bought it and am not renting it and there is no $400 weekly rental fee for my car and that is why it is not mentioned. In this video I do not mention fuel costs at all, so there is no way it can be considered misleading. I talk about fuel costs in other videos and show the math to match what I commented above. While I did drive for both Uber and Lyft in 2017, I haven’t driven for then or any other company where I would have to worry about ride count in over 6 years, so there is no mention of it in this or any other of my videos, so I have no idea why you are bringing up ride counts, revenue, or earnings. That content just isn’t in this video. I mention the ride quality compared with our Chevy Bolt and make no major points about the vehicle’s acceleration. The only mention that I make in this video to public charging refers to a 5 minute stop I made on the day I bought it. At the time that I filmed this video it was the only time I had used a Tesla Supercharger with this car and I was responding to a question from a viewer with the information. It sounds like you didn’t have a good experience with your rental and I’m sorry that is the case, but your original comment doesn’t match the video you commented on.
Nice video. If I get one, the plan is the monthly payment plan for Enhanced Autopilot. Zero interest in FSD, that will just degrade people's skill as drivers because they will be lazy and rely upon it all the time. I am tempted to see what Hertz has available since they have a sales site local to me BUT if I want the tax benefit, I have to look at new because of the $$ limitations. As you mentioned, First World Problems. ;-/
New sub🎉. Content is easy to understand. Nothing visually challenging. Good old fashion facts and opinions❤ Keep recording, I'll keep watching and commenting 🤠
I just want to thank you for the info on Hertz EV sales. Just so you no. Hertz also is selling Bolt EUV’s for an incredible price. Enterprise car sales has regular Bolts
They are 18”. Wheel covers are from EV Base. I did a video on them a few weeks ago. Here’s the link. Special Edition: A Review of EVBase Uberturbine Wheel Covers for Our Tesla Model 3 ruclips.net/video/wcqft_C68TI/видео.html
As a former Uber-Hertz Tesla renter, I put about 100K miles on these cars and they kept on going, i babied the hell out of them. I'm really annoyed so many of the other drivers best these things up do badly, but I'm glad some of them are surviving into other hands. I started up my own Turo fleet of Teslas just recently, and even got myself an S Plaid and Cyberbeast. Will never drive any othdr brand at this point.
wish people made more vids like this about buying a used model 3 from hertz. thank you for making this video man. I appreciate you.
I bought a 2022 Model 3 RWD from a car dealer in the Phoenix Metro area. Here are some points:
1. My car had 77,318 when I bought it.
2. Tesla has given me a month of FSD, and frankly, I don't like it that much, it is really buggy. I probably wouldn't use it much even if it were free. It does work at times, but at night it really has problems.
3. I live in AZ, and it's temperatures are reaching nearly 100 degrees F. That has caused me to lose 40% - 50% of my range because the car's heat pump is constantly cooling the battery. My neighbor has a 2024 RWD Model Y and he is experiencing the same drop in range - so it is a common problem with all Teslas when the temperature gets over 86 degrees F.
4. I use Sentry Mode away from home. I have not experienced that much phantom drain.
5. I also have cabin cooling set at 95 degrees to cool the interior. I try not to leave it in the sun too much.
6. Recurrent stated that my range for the care is 95% of the 272, which is 258 miles. I have had it charge on a Tesla supercharger up to 264. At home on my Level 2 Tesla charger, it charges to 254. But keep in mind that I have 19" wheels on my Model 3. That lowers the range by about 10 miles from 18" wheels. I think that if I got 18" wheels, I would probably be very close to the 272 mile brand new range.
7. Though it is hard to pin down, I think my actual loss of battery range capacity is around 3%. But I would have to do an actual analysis of the battery to confirm that. Recurrent states that the battery capacity is at 95%. Either way, I haven't lost much range.
8. It charges from 30% - 80% on a Tesla supercharger in less than 20 minutes. It goes from 30% -95% in about 30 minutes. My Tesla Level 2 Universal Wall connector charges the car at 8 KW per hour. I have a 62.3 KW battery, so it charge from 0% -100% in about 7.5 hours.
9. When it was cooler here in AZ I was getting over 225 miles of range, and that is not driving slow, or trying to get the best mileage. I would guess that if I drove it at the speed limit when it is cool outside, I would get close to 260 miles of range, maybe more.
10. Luckily, my car had no damage on it except for the rims. The rims had been repaired and the repair paint was peeling. I spoke to the dealer and he did provide $250.00 to me towards the repair of the rims. Oddly, even with this glaring defect, the rims still look very good. I have not decided whether I will repair these rims or buy new aftermarket 18" rims.
11. The tires appear to be nearly brand new. Again, I got lucky.
12. The paint is in very good shape, and I have no dings, luckily.
13. I do have a slight (quiet) creaking noise in the front of the cabin, and I am not sure where it is coming from. It sounds like it is either the plastic dash mount or around the steering wheel. It is barely noticeable, and so I am not too concerned about it. Other than that, everything in the cabin looks brand new, including the carpet.
14. I have the LFP battery, the matrix headlights and the advanced FSD computer.
15. The acceleration is amazing. I suspect the 0 -60 mph is much faster than the 5.8-second spec.
16. I DO like the self-parking feature of the FSD. I will miss that when my free trial is over.
what do you pay for insurance every month ?
@fenwickc2274 for the Tesla alone, about $220 per month
@@SpinnerEV I pay around $125.00 per month for insurance. State Farm is Tesla friendly.
@@fenwickc2274 I pay approximately $125.00 per month (I insure two cars for $1350.00 for six months). State Farm is Tesla-friendly and has good rates.
@franklong6269 I’m with Allstate, but I have three drivers insured
Did anyone else notice the Hertz Teslas had much higher mileage than the other Evs Hertz was selling? A 2022 with 55K miles does not sound like a car nobody wanted to rent.
When Hertz started selling them, they were 2021s with over 100k.
What did you pay for it ?
This one was $22,300 and change before the used EV tax credit.
@SpinnerEV That's about what i'm finding online for a price for 1 of those.
No one said they didn’t want to be rented. The high cost of accidents and major down time to get them fixed was a major factor for Hertz ditching them.
Been using the FSD trial in my 2023 Model 3 Tessie. Very much improved. I tested it for 4 hours yesterday. A few mistakes when first testing it (may have been me not the car!) but after an hour or so it was virtually perfect driving around town, just a glitch or two driving in my neighborhood. Love the "auto max speed" option. On Interstate 95, in moderate Saturday traffic, it was perfect, merging on and off the highway, keeping up with traffic, etc. In four hours of driving, zero phantom braking (I really hope they have fixed this, scares my wife so I don't even use autopilot when she is with me). When I left my son's house, I could have gone to sleep and arrived at my home about 30 minutes away in the same town (all city driving) if I did not have to hold on to the steering wheel. Will probably buy it for a month when I go on road trips this coming summer.
I agree with what he says about the M3 holding the road. The M3 is really stuck to the road corners well, etc.
I like the auto-max but I also don't like it. I wish there were an easy way to override it and tell it to slow down (like...the scroll wheel!?). There are places here where I'd be worried about a ticket but it's generally fine with how it speeds. I've been eyeing the "S3XY Buttons" accessory and I wonder if it has one for toggling the automatic speed set on/off. Also would love one for toggling the "minimal lane changes" option. (I hate that I have to set it every time)
I like your point about buying it for a month for road-tripping. That's clever.
Purchased a 23 Model 3 form Hertz. A few issues with some dings and scratches. All are reparable. I did replace the tires due to a previous repair starting leak. The tire shop got them to pay for three new tires. I was out $400 for one. For the price i paid i am still not upset about it. Love the car.
Same. Oddly enough, the tires on this one were in great condition. No leaks, excellent tread depth.
I hope you won't have any issues down the road! It's a really unique car with potential unknown repairs down the road!
@@kv1930hey is the car still good and reliable?
@@memenbower6573 I would not buy a EV even for $1 In CA registration and insurance is about double and I don't want to be at the mercy of Electric grid!
I have a 2019 M3 and my build quality is superb, zero issues. Mine was a late September build not sure if that had anything to do with it. I'm at 70k miles with zero issues other then the 12v battery was replaced a few months back at a cost of $116 and Tesla came to my house and installed at that price which I thought was amazing.
That’s all good to hear. The 2019 that I took the trip in had over 120k miles on it. It drove perfectly, but it had interior trim pieces falling off, a broken passenger seat recline button, to name a few. That one may have just been driven hard.
Stop calling model 3 an "M3" it doesn't sound right,that's a BMW name
@@royaltyallen1162 This is a video about Tesla's, I think most folks know what I mean, if not, then well, too bad, I'm pretty sure they will be fine with their confusion. I personally don't know nothing about BMWs except I would never buy or own one.
@@jstar1000 just you, do you also call model S,X and Y with MS,MX and MY?
@@royaltyallen1162 I don't typically talk or post about them since I don't have any experience with them but perhaps I probably would. sometimes I type out Model but sometimes I don't, just depends on the situation and my mood I guess, I mostly do type out model but this time I didn't choose to.
I liked the video simply on that opening statement….giving the Tesla a forever home 😂
Thanks! Couldn’t resist. I guess seeing all those Teslas at Hertz Car Sales reminded me of the pound and when we adopted our dog. The car even behaved like her for the first week and didn’t know where home was (because of the delay in ownership transfer, but still…)
Pro Tip. Always keep a Tesla Keycard in your wallet for the JUST in case moments.
that. also getting extra is like dirt cheap like $35 for 2 more.
PDR for your door dent. They do a great job. Spray can for the lower bumper cover. Congratulations on your car.
The doors are aluminum, right? Can you do PDR on aluminum?
Thank you for your videos. You gave us some of the best real world info when we got our Bolt EUV a few months ago and inspired us to have the confidence to get a second EV recently. We went with a Mach E instead of a Tesla though.
Mach E is nice
So glad you made this video. I’m in your generation & thinking of getting a used Model 3. There are many videos on this subject made by people who are extremely knowledgeable about Tesla’s but it seems their number one concern is just the fact that there are USED cars. I had similar thoughts as you stated about wear & tear & other things that come with buying any used vehicles. You have provided thoughtful answers to some of my concerns. Kudos.
Thanks!
Luckily with used EVs, there's a lot less that could go wrong/be abused with it, vs a gas car- there have to worry re missed oil/fluid & other key services, transmission abuse, overheating, etc... plus all the moving/critical parts that can wear out (belts, pumps, etc)... EVs, simply, don't have any of that!
While bad drivers might drive it hard and maybe damage suspension (as w/ any used/rental car), maybe worse they do is poorly treat battery? But Hertz and many others have RecurrentAuto battery health/degradation reports (sometimes can look up VIN if they don't give you report), and also Teslas have hidden Service Mode w/ onboard diagnostics showing recent error messages and faults (easier than digging out OBD2 reader)... the battery warranty should still last long time unless you drive a LOT like the @spinnerEV does... the BMS system should mostly protect the battery, unless someone left it at 0% for a long time? Most RWD/rentals are LFP batteries which are more resilient and can handle 100% charging better, and last longer.
I got a 44k mi model y from them about 6 weeks ago it’s been awesome so far
People are surprised it’s used and in disbelief it was a rental car, it’s got the upgraded wheels and stereo. I did have to drive 2 hours for the hertz that had this; in the Bay Area they’re basically sold out everywhere. Hertz was great to work with and I got a great deal with full mfr warranty other ev’s can’t even compete with. 👏👏
Nice
How much was the warranty and what did it cover? TIA
@devoe4096 I don’t recall the exact cost, I believe around $2k-$2500, bumper to bumper with $500 deductible
Very well made straight forward video. No over the top edits, no absurd cringe humor and no selling out to companies.
Thank you Mr and Mrs Spinner!!! Great video!!!
Thanks for the questions. Made making this video easier
I love these evaluation videos. Someone has to do it. Thank you!
Great video. I agree with everything you said. During our week long rental of our model 3 I felt the firm ride vs our Bolt, the phantom breaking of auto pilot on several occasions but really liked autopilot on the interstate. Being 6’2” I was not impressed on how low it sat and ducking to get in but it is a great car. Stay safe.
The latest Autopilot works perfectly! The Model 3 is a performance car compared to a Bolt.
Great video. Loved the content-appreciate you answering real questions from folks.
Answering those questions makes creating the video easy. Thanks!
I almost went for Hertz but the only one I could find for at/under $25k (M3LR) was across the nation from me. It'd be a fun road trip but realistically couldn't happen. I like seeing your attitude on dings and dents and normal wear, and I fully agree. My Leaf before this had a huge ding in the back panel but it was really just cosmetic and I didn't care. Some people get too worked up over their cars.
The difference between basic Autopilot and EAP/FSD is why I went with my car. (I test-drove a '21 and was really disappointed with Autopilot disengaging on lane changes, for instance.) My car has FSD and I got it cheap. It's a 2019, so I'm missing out on some stuff but honestly, none of it is a deal-breaker (and things like chrome-delete and power trunk can be modded in...though I love chrome on my white car). The heat pump and heated steering are what I'd want the most...but, honestly? I think I'd rather have warm wheel covers and lose a bit of efficiency if it means I have navigate-on-autopilot and all that goodness including on city streets with FSD. Is it perfect? Nah. Of course not. However, it's generally pretty impressive. I also have a lot of foot pain so being able to stretch my feet while the car drives and I watch carefully around me is massive. I just don't let it drive in stressful situations (e.g. unprotected left turns).
If I bought a new car (I was looking at '22 M3LR's), I think I would've eventually caved and bought EAP or paid for a subscription to FSD even though both are insanely expensive. Glad I avoided that financial trap.
I bought one from Hertz! Pretty good experience, but they didn’t really help me with transferring the car to my app…it has 50k on it now and everything you have pointed out on your car, describes mine too. A couple dings and swirls reduces my anxiety. However, today I noticed a knock in the front end and I really have no direction on what to do..who to call 🤷♂️ I should have researched better before buying probably. Thank you for sharing!
My guess is contact a Tesla service center or the Hertz dealership for guidance.
@@SpinnerEV thank you!! I called Hertz and they are gonna look at it and see. All the research I’ve done points to control arm..and I know this car had to been abused. We will see what they say..they are supposed to warranty Teslas for 12 months and it’s been almost 2
@Bscheall24 I’m glad they’ll look at it. Keep me posted on how it goes. I was told by another Tesla owner that control arms needing to be replaced is fairly common. As soon as mine starts creaking, I’ll need to do it myself.
My hertz purchase took a day or two before the "renter QR code" phone app access disappeared (that was very handy meantime!), but... next day still didn't come over to my account... we had a roadtrip planned, so I went and added the car to my account via the app, uploading my documentation, and.. in 5minutes, car was in my account, I could supercharger again, etc (THAT was the scary part more than phone app access!) Very slick. Dunno how long would have taken if I had waited for Hertz/Tesla to finish on their end :)
I kept the keycard at all times just in case... but other thing I love, once in acct, you can add OTHER phones and keycards for the car- I already had 3 cards from my old Tesla, I just added the same ones as keys to new car, voila! Extra keys at NO cost.
@@SpinnerEV how much did it cost for a control arm replacement? The estimate in the app says $500 for the “banging while driving on uneven surface” option in the app. Hertz wasn’t helpful, they don’t ever call back and will leave bad reviews or whatever else to be a Karen lol. I just said frig it I’ll get it fixed. I appreciate you’re feedback and sorry I didn’t see this until now
Great video! Last year I rented a ‘21 Model 3 Standard Range for Uber purposes and it performed great! I just hated turning it back in to Hertz after 30 days.
There are two Hertz Car Sales dealers within a train ride from where I live; I will definitely make a trip to both of them and see what they have to offer.
Just to let you know, cabin overheat protection uses a lot more energy that you might think if you're live in a hot region. I've found that's way more draining than sentry mode or anything else. Especially on the standard range model with the smaller battery. Dog Mode, however, is great for those with pets and well worth it.
Ive always rented cars for business. Ive always noticed, is every little scratch they love to charge you. The tental company always says. "We need to fix it.". Im sure that's what Hertz hold the previous Tesla renter. "We're charging you extra to fix that..." Now you're coming to buy that same Tesla, they billed that previous customer to fix the damage. The same unrepaired damage.They never fixed that. Would it be fraud?
🤷🏻♂️
I REALLY rescued a Hertz model 3, it had flooded up to the bottom of the steering wheel in fresh water. Same color, a 2022 MY, it had about 18k miles at the time. Took some $$ to fix but a really superb car. Replaced the upholstery with real Katzkin leather in a black / red pattern, we love it.
Nice
How much did the leather conversion cost in total?
@@anonsecret9581 Katzkin requires that their interior kits be installed by one of their dealers, I found one on eBay that had the kit drop shipped directly to me and I installed it myself. I have quite a bit of experience with interior work and it was pretty straightforward. The kit was roughly $800.
I'm looking forward to those testing videos. Gr8 vid as usual. 🚗🇺🇲🔌⚡
I have a few questions.
1. Did you finance?
If so, where did you finance through. Hertz?
2. Did it require a high credit score?
3. Did your insurance go up for the Model 3?
4. Were there any obstacles working with Hertz.
5. Are there any hidden costs to getting a Hertz Model 3, that we are not aware of?
6. What kind of home charger are you using?
I am looking into buying one from Hertz, so I’m trying to get as much information as possible.
Keep up the great work!
Financed through Hertz, decent credit but but didn’t require a high score. Insurance through Geico went up a lot so we switched to Allstate and it was normal. No obstacles or hidden costs. We use a Wallbox Pulsar Plus at home with the adapter.
@@SpinnerEV awesome my friend. Thank you for all the help. M3 is my dream car. Hopefully I can make it happen. Sadly I’m in CT, have to purchase Tesla from Hertz out of state. Hoping for a sweet deal though.
@joeyvinzo4531 best of luck to you
To further answer the question, should you buy a 2022 or newer? The answer is yes. The LFP batteries look like they will last much longer.
Keep in mind that Tesla are constantly making upgrades. e.g. my Model Y has double pane windows and the upgraded suspension and they didn't announce that anywhere.
Cabin over heat was something I had never heard of thank you.
It sounds neat in practice but it will chew through your battery.
Yes and yes
It's neat, but.. in practice? How useful? You can crack the windows remotely in the app, and do just fan protection (not AC) which saves some battery, but... car will still get hot, esp. in the sun.
Much easier to let it get hot (put in windowshades/park out of sun!), and use app to pre-cool the car a few minutes before you get in... very nice.
It's handy though to use "Keep climate on" if I have something in car I don't want to get too hot, for quick errand /stop at another store...
We have owned a 2021 Model 3, now have a Model Y and just recently got our daughter a Bolt. The 3 definitely holds more than the Bolt with the frunk and the deep well in the trunk area. People sleep on the ability to use the frunk for a carry on luggage.
Great video, I enjoyed your review and it was nicely done, thank you. Just subbed as well, 👌🏼👌🏼👌🏼
Thanks!
I have a 2021 Y performance and you are right on point when it comes to the way the car tracks around curbs when using autopilot and FSD . It makes me uncomfortable and I disengage it often. I drive it mostly myself in city streets and only use basic autopilot on long hwy trips. Subscribed 😊.
Thanks!
Thank you for sharing!
If you want to get rid of the paint swirls you could have it clay barred and follow up using a color matching compound and wax.
Nice video. Considering getting one from Hertz. Do you have a 2022 model 3? How much is your monthly insurance?
3 drivers, 3 cars, all EVs. About $600/mo. Full coverage
@@SpinnerEV Wow, everyone around 17 years old ?
What about the sound system ? …I PERSONALLY ENJOY THE PREMIUM CONNECTIVITY…@ $11 mon.🤗 THANKS FOR SHARING YOUR EXPERIENCE 🤗💚💚💚
Love the sound system and also have the premium connectivity
GREAT 🤗
Totally agree with your take on FSD vs basic auto. At $12k, or even $200/month, it's party tricks I have no need or desire for. I like driving so I'd rather do it myself, thank you very much. Basic auto to take the stress off stop-n-go and relieve the tedium of long highway cruise stretches is all I need or want. When I purchase my Model 3 this year I'll give the free month of FSD a whirl, but at $12k I won't be purchasing it. There's an even more fundamental issue with the $12k. If the fundamental purpose of FSD is to produce cars that are "better than human" (as opposed to just enabling robo-taxis), then the only ethical course of action is to make it standard equipment, included in the base price, in every vehicle Tesla sells.
One week later, Elon lowered the FSD to 8,000 and 99 dollars per month 😂
@@wt9653yep! And everyone got a free month and f*%# I actually miss it!…
Nice video! 2 yrs ago, I purchased a RWD 2018 long range 3 with 48k miles and it was the best, most reliable car I ever owned. I personally added a 100k miles on it in a year and a half. I only put 2 sets of tires and one 12 volt battery for only $100 which Tesla sent a tech out to my house an hour away from the Tesla store. Never had any issues. Even with only 148k mies it still charged to full at 98% (297 miles). We travels to Colorado 4 times and North Carolina twice and several trips to the gulf coast. Tesla has their charging net work set up to basically go anywhere.
Traded it in for a 2023 bolt with 4k miles for only 19k. Love the efficiency of the bolt and less phantom drain. Going to be challenging on travels though. But I will say the Tesla has more phantom drain than the bolt does. My wife also has a model S and it would lose 10 miles over night in cold weather and sometimes even more.
i just got a 22 model 3 SR plus, love it. Good to hear youve had such a good experience with reliability
you will never get rid of the wind noise. for one, the frameless windows on the doors do not help, adjustments to the window regulator can be made, however still will not make it perfect. however the highland model is superior inside, you hear nothing. id love to know exactly what they did and see if its adaptable to the 2022-2023 models.
the EPA estimates are based off of getting mile for mile range is based off of using 255whpm. the only way you are getting 255whpm is with AC off, or on very low and temp above 65, and no deviation in altitude (hills).
if you see 100% charge saying 258 miles you will prob see 240 miles on a range test.
Good to know. I’ll see what I get
But the new Highlander does not qualify for any Federal Tax credits.
@zfunk9 correct
The new model has double pane windows thats the main reason it's quieter. They also improved the suspension
@@zfunk9 Update: 2024 Model3 Highland DOES now qualify for $7.5k tax credits! (except the SR-RWD w/ LFP chinese battery, as always)...
also now they added LR-RWD, 360miles, $35k after tax credit, insanely good deal !! Now, just add shift/signal stalk back... :) and the suspension is MUCH MUCH improved, VERY nice vs my 2018 3.
Interestingly, our 2023 Hertz model3 RWD has very nice suspension, much softer than my 2018, not as good as 2024 but very acceptable. This despite 19" wheels, odd. Wife is happy
Follow-up Question(s):
Was it worth it purchasing a former rental Tesla ? And would you do it again? 😅
So far, yes to both
One thing I need to correct, Tesla’s are not Bolts or Leafs so do not use the Term Guess O Meter (GOM) with Tesla Cars. Learn to use the Nav Station and Energy Screen, what it says is what it does as far as range. It’s no Guess. I owned a Nissan Leaf (GOM) and a Volt and currently own 2 Tesla’s. 2 road trips from San Diego to Key West Florida and back with no guessing there. Leave the Bolt in the garage or better yet in the drive way.
“Guess o meter” may be a hard habit to break, but I’ll try. After all, I rarely say “step on the gas” anymore, but that took two years of EV ownership
I’d like to see dense city driving range test. I see highway 50+ mph range tests all the time.
Love the looks :)…peace
If you have phantom breaking, especially in the same place all the time, try recalibrating the cameras, and be sure to drive where it has phantom breaking, that may help!
I’ll look into that
The Tesla SuC Network has so much more availability and the M3 is so much faster charging than the Bolt makes it a strong selection for road tripping.
That’s why we got it. Test road trip coming soon.
@@SpinnerEV Keep in mind, though, that this is the LFP version which tops out around 170kw. So significantly slower any other modern Tesla. Except maybe for that short lived mistake of the horrible charging curve 4680 Model Y. But if you're used to a Bolt, then there's a big difference.
@Paul-cj1wb Bolt is what I’m used to.
Charge to 80% and get the amber insurance that covers the battery. Tesla warranty on battery goes to 120k
I'm so jealous, Spinner!
I just got a 2022 with 68k, super clean. I’m happy with it, after the $4k instant rebate and them giving me $4k for my Camry that was clapped out, I got it for $16k. If anyone is thinking about getting a Tesla, be prepared to pay Porsche prices on insurance. The national avg is $364 month, I’ve had no accidents in 22 years of driving and no speeding tickets in over 10 years and mine is $224 month lol.
68,000 miles is insanity
Funny video 🤣 i just got one wish me luck 🤞
By the way, FSD is now $100 a month or $8,000 once, and enhanced is now gone
Changed a couple of weeks after I filmed this. I still haven’t gotten the free trial that others have, but I’m considering paying the $100 for our big road trip this fall.
Does Hertz give any info on accident history? Do they provide a Carfax or Carfax equivalent?
The Carfax was available on the website, and they handed me the printed report after the test without me having to ask for it. It was on of, if not the easiest car buying experience I’ve ever had.
They have some reports, not CarFax but more basic one... most also had a RecurrentAuto battery degradation report (some that didn't, I was able to put in VIN and got it from my Recurrent account.)
NOTE, however, the accident history report is NOT comprehensive... Hertz/rental co's tend to fix self or NOT report accidents, so... check carefully. One on the lot had an OBVIOUSLY repaired/repainted 2 doors, the door handle had lots of paint overspray in it, they said had no accident history, but was obvious.
I checked under every car to see if any damage to battery case, and went into hidden Service Mode to check for any alerts/error messages... several of them had some transient errors, probably not biggies (especially if you find some under 50k miles w/ tesla warranty), but I picked one w/ the fewest alerts, and least-swirled paint. (all were pretty badly swirled, sigh)
My buddy purchased a 2022 model 3 long range with 54,000 miles a few days ago, with only 4 % degradation getting 262 miles at 80% charge and after trading his ice car and 7500 tax credit he got a 29,990 car for 14,500 bucks! He is really happy 😊PS: it’s red😊
7500 for an used EV?
@Spinner EV: get the S3XY knob. It provides continuous autopilot that reengages autopilot after a lane change. Such a game changer…
Did negotiate the price to receive the tax credit? Looking at a Model Y vs Bolt EUV
Hertz doesn’t negotiate, it was just priced low enough
battery and drive train in good condition, everything else is fixable and doesn't cost that much
FYI my 23 M3P says warranty for battery is 120k miles and 2031
Yep, long range and performance are 120k. Standard range is 100k
Will you or did you take it to tesla service center for a proper inspection?
i would think those rentals will reach their max supercharging level a lot faster than a 1 owner car
I can't find any documentation that shows that Hertz-sold Tesla cars still retain their battery and drivetrain warranty.....would be nice as this is a big deal.
It would depend on the mileage and age, just like any other used car
@@SpinnerEV would you happen to know whether the vehicle title you received from the DMV was branded? For example, cars with a salvage title doesn't receive battery warranty, but....
@terrancecloverfield6791 it doesn’t have a branded title
@@SpinnerEV Thanks. That's a big deal and seals a good deal doing business with Hertz. The mileage may be higher, but that battery/drivetrain warranty is paramount. I'm working with a Tesla SC where we were discussing just this very topic with CA cars that are branded, meaning it's impossible to have Tesla Insurance provide vehicle coverage!
FSD is currently $99/month.
I know. At the time this video was made, the price hadn’t dropped yet.
Mind if I ask how much you ended up paying for it without the Federal Tax Credit? I am looking at a similar one. Thanks!
$22,300 something.
@@SpinnerEV Thank you so much!
dont even worry about the FSD. its pretty bad.
the best way to describe it, it drives like a southern californian. confused, lost, not paying attention, slams on the brakes at a yellow light, changes lanes for no reason, misses exits on the highway. its more stressful than driving it myself.
Were you able to negotiate on the price at all with Hertz? Thanks, great video
Hertz prices aren’t really negotiable, kind of like Tesla does used cars. The price may fluctuate day to day, but at the time the prices at Hertz were already a couple of thousand lower than anywhere else near me.
@@SpinnerEV Hertz had very few 2022 Model 3's earlier this year. They could have been held-back to unload the 2023's (and no tax credit). Now, the price on the 2023 has dropped about $5k
@Spinner EV I just bought a M3 from Hertz; thank you for such a great informative video! The problem I'm having is that the Hertz driver profile is still available as a driver. Did you encounter this, too? I tried deleting the profile, but it is telling me to do it in the app, logging in as the driver, and then being removed as a driver. I don't have access to that since it's Hertz. I feel that I need to contact Tesla.
How long since you took delivery? It took mine a week for the transfer to process through the Tesla software. I also contacted Tesla directly through the Tesla app. I’d recommend doing that if you haven’t already.
@@SpinnerEV Took delivery two days ago, honestly, it was instant to show the car in my Tesla app as the owner of the car. And I was able to see my profile in the car and also add my wife as a driver. But I still see the Hertz driver profile. I don't know How to delete or reset that profile. I will be contacting Tesla on the app. Thanks for the answer!
Great video! I was looking at Hertz for both those cars and can't decide what I should do. I'm using a 2023 Chevy Bolt EUV rental and really like the range in the warm weather. I'm getting a full charge right now of 290 with a "Max" range of 342. (which is incredible.) I also like the car overall. I can also go for the 2022 Tesla 3 Long Range and get the tax credit. Bottom line...a $5000 difference. So....What to get? I do Uber part time and know the drop in range on the Bolt in cold weather is brutal. At the same time, I'm hearing the Telsa battery degradation is not good. What would you do?
It depends on what equipment you want and how often you’d fast charge. The Tesla will charge faster at a DC fast charger and has some other bell and whistles that my Bolt doesn’t have (it’s a 1LT). Best advice I can give is try to drive one of each if possible before deciding and go with what feels best
@@SpinnerEV I don't mind not having the extra features. (The stereo is amazingly great in the Bolt btw) I also forgot to mention the difference in miles on each car. The Tesla is 58,000 while the Bolt is only 17,000. Again....the range between the two in the winter time is my biggest concern. I rented a Kia Niro last year and it was brutal.
@devoe4096 the Bolt does take a hit in the cold without the heat pump.
@@SpinnerEV True. One option is, I buy this on the cheap now and roll it into the 2025 one. Wish I knew when it was coming out.
I just bought my model 3 from hertz and was wondering how you will be notified when the transfer through tesla is complete? Will it just show up on my tesla app with my other car and batteries or do I need to add it manually?
I contacted Tesla about two days after taking delivery. I don’t know if that did anything, but a week after taking delivery the car showed up in the app.
My hertz purchase took 1-2days before the "renter QR code" phone access disappeared, but I didn't get on my account after another day... I couldn't wait longer (coming roadtrip, needed supercharger access back!), so I just added car to my account via the app, uploaded pics of my sales/driver lic docs as prompted, and... FIVE MINUTES I had the car, impressive.
Loved that I could add my existing old Tesla keycards as new keys, too!
Did Hertz allow you to haggle the price or is the price they give is the one you get?
Hertz price was fixed, the individual stores don’t set the prices, but was already the lowest in my area. The Hertz prices fluctuate from day to day similar to buying used from Tesla.
Wind noise and suspension are common complaints from Tesla owners.
Did Hertz give you the $4k rebate, or was the purchase price more than $25k? Thanks for great; info.
Not at time of sale but they did give me the paperwork to claim it on next year’s taxes
@@SpinnerEV Good to know. thanks
@@SpinnerEV Hertz at least in my area, should support the instant point-of-sale $4k rebates? They say eligible, so should... but Ours was 2023, so not 2yrs old, so didn't qualify...
I get out to help them put the groceries in my trunk. Powered trunk and all.
I used to do that as well when we first started doing curbside pickup. During the pandemic, the store we go to put up signs telling us to stay in our vehicle instead and kept the signs up.
How about opening the doors?
Not a problem. What would you like to know?
How many miles do you get from a 10 min charge and at what voltage? Thanks
I haven’t supercharged enough to be able to answer. Once we do a road trip, I’ll bring it up in a video.
It would depend on what charge you arrive at a super charger. Usually you type your route into the navigation and the car will plot charging stations along your route. You can change the stops in the car if you want to stop earlier or later based on convenience. Otherwise the car will generally try to get you to a charging station where you have pretty low charge (3-15%). The reason for this being that the lower the charge, the faster it charges.
When I’ve gotten to a charger with such low charge, it will take about 10 minutes to get to about 60%. Whenever I stop I usually use the restroom and maybe grab some water and it takes 15-20 minutes. Usually it’ll get me back up to 70-75% within that 15-20 minutes.
If I want closer to 80 I usually stay another 5-10 minutes and I’ll just watch a show on the screen or play games on my phone. Overall stop times for me have been around 15-30 minutes.
Another thing is that the car will generally make you stop an extra stop so that it stays on the lower end so that your stops are shorter due to the faster charging rates at those lower charges.
I also had huge doubts doing road trips with the car but I was surprised at how painless it was. Granted I live in California so there is an abundance of stations. Overall most of my charging is done at home and I don’t do THAT many road trips per year. So the extra time it takes compared to filling up a car has been a non-issue and because I don’t really sit at gas stations on my day to day driving, I’m sure I’ve more than made up for my time on the road trips.
Was car inspected, before you purchased, or just as is
It was inspected
Thinking about renting a Tesla from hertz. What level charger comes with these?
I don’t know about renting. The one I purchased came with a level 1.
You don't need adapter/charger for supercharging, or Tesla destination charging... what comes w/ the hertz cars tends to be hit or miss, at least on sales, assume rentals also.
Might not have the mobile charger (level1, supports level 2 w/ plug adapters, who knows what they include), many cars on the lot were also missing the $50 J1772 adapter for non-Tesla level2 public charging eg ChargePoint
What window tint % did you use?
I don’t recall. Went with a ceramic tint and asked for as dark as Texas law would allow
Can I negotiate with hertz at all ? Any tips? What about trade ins?
Hertz does no-haggle pricing as their prices are already pretty low comparatively. I think they do trade ins, but we sold what we would have traded.
It was the easiest car buying experience I’ve ever had
It’s not hard to scuff the paint since the car barely has any paint on it…. LOL
Did the Hertz Car sales Tesla have the 19 inch rims?
18 inch. I added new wheel covers
@@SpinnerEV that’s even better. I’ve been looking at them.
They have a mix. Most on the lot I saw were 19", some had 18".. varies. All were RWD LFP, 2023.. no more 2022s in CA
0:01 lots of swirl marks on that rear quarter panel.
Lots of swirl marks everywhere
@@SpinnerEVwatch a few videos on paint correction. Even a rank beginner using cheap harbor freight tools can remove many marks and leave paint looking MUCH better.
A testament to Tesla, Hertz loss!
why didn't you buy one with lower mileage? My local Hertz had dozens with milage below 50k
Wanted to keep the price under $25k, lower if possible.
When full time RUclips ?
Nowhere near right now.
Does Hertz have an extended warranty for the battery
They are available
@@SpinnerEV What do they run and when the EV discount
@jamesobleton6450 the car or the warranty? Cars are mid 20k. If it’s under $25k and 2022 or older it can get the $4k tax credit on your next year’s tax return. Hertz doesn’t do point of sale tax credit (at least they didn’t when I got mine.) As for warranty, too many variables to guess. Best to ask them.
@@SpinnerEV Thanks
are you in california?
Texas
I cant get past the fact that these cars are accessed by others over the air. It could be shutdown at anytime and its a boat anchor then.
Wait around and wait around for all this transfer crap. Not for me
Did you get the 4k credit?
We should get the credit at tax time next year.
@@SpinnerEV saw that some dealers are able to take it off at the time of sale supposedly if they’re registered with irs.
@arnoldm889 that is correct. However, Hertz offers a 7 day buy back period, and their thinking at the time was that would complicate the process of doing the tax credit at point of sale, so they just gave me the paperwork to claim it next year.
@@SpinnerEV thanks brother! I’m looking to buy in 3-4 months. Saw a lot including M3 performance for under $25k. Great time to buy.
You didn't mention how much you paid for it.
$22,300 before tax credit. Mentioned it in a previous video
@@SpinnerEV
I can pick up a brand new model Y RWD in Washington State for 30,500 after all incentives.
There aren't anymore 2024 model 3 to buy.
If there were, it would have been around 25,000.
There's no EV sales tax in Washington State.
@wt9653 nice. Texas doesn’t have an extra credit for EVs, and charges us extra in registration.
@@SpinnerEV
Elon hasn't buttered up to Abott yet? 😉
MAN, YOUR BELT
not sure i purchase a 50k mile Tesla knowing its probably seen a lot of supercharger use.
That’s where the LFP battery gives an advantage. Only 5% degradation over those miles, and now the battery is treated kinder.
@@SpinnerEV MYTH!
"The results show no statistically significant difference in range degradation between Teslas that fast charge more than 90% of the time and those that fast charge less than 10% of the time."
Recurrent Auto Charging Study.
Tesla battery management software is great, supercharging 100% of the time has had minimal effect on battery health for me over the years
@@waynerussell6401 yeah tesloop blasted that b.s. about quick charging killing batteries many years ago!
They had a model X lr with over 320,000 miles on its pack that had multiple daily sc sessions. 😎
i have the LFP battery, it rarely ever charges over 80-100kwh so its not really getting zapped at super high speeds compared to a level 2, and they generally hold up pretty well compared to the non LFP batteries, they also have 3x the rated charge cycles.
You are not mentioning the nearly $400 weekly rental. That's 2-3 days revenue to pay off. To maintain same net revenue, add about 20 more hours of drive time.
You mislead on the lower fuel cost. It's only about $30 per week cheaper than my ICE.
Acceleration is awesome but you're fooling yourself if you think that increases you ride count. You better watch out for those speeding tickets every mile.
Those times you charge cost you money at stores/restaurants that you wouldn't have done with ICE. You actually admit spending $$$.
I rented model 3 for one month and spent 25 hours at charging stations and not a single penny of pay for doing it. At my $34 hour lifetime earns, average, that's $850 I could have made with my ICE.
I didn’t rent this car, I purchased it from Hertz after it was retired, so there is no $400 weekly rental for me. I also don’t drive this car for a ride share company, so I have no ride count to consider. It’s my personal daily driver that is charged at home unless I am on a road trip. When on a road trip, charging costs are about 80% of what gasoline costs would be. However, 95% of the time or more it’s charged at my home while I’m either asleep or otherwise occupied. My work commute and other driving without road trips works out to roughly 350 miles per week, and I use about $12 of electricity to do that which is about a third of what the gasoline car it replaced would have cost at the pump. I watch my speed carefully so no tickets, maybe in my younger days.
@SpinnerEV if you made the video, your video doesn't match what you now say. If it was you on the video, your comments mean Zero.
@Jimboit2 Are you sure you’re commenting on the correct video? Yes, I am the person in this video. I just rewatched it to make sure that what I’m commenting here is accurate. I say between 0:05 and 0:10 that the car is purchased from Hertz Car Sales and that it is a retired rental car. Before the 2 minute mark I talk about the ownership transfer in the Tesla app. That means that I bought it and am not renting it and there is no $400 weekly rental fee for my car and that is why it is not mentioned. In this video I do not mention fuel costs at all, so there is no way it can be considered misleading. I talk about fuel costs in other videos and show the math to match what I commented above. While I did drive for both Uber and Lyft in 2017, I haven’t driven for then or any other company where I would have to worry about ride count in over 6 years, so there is no mention of it in this or any other of my videos, so I have no idea why you are bringing up ride counts, revenue, or earnings. That content just isn’t in this video. I mention the ride quality compared with our Chevy Bolt and make no major points about the vehicle’s acceleration. The only mention that I make in this video to public charging refers to a 5 minute stop I made on the day I bought it. At the time that I filmed this video it was the only time I had used a Tesla Supercharger with this car and I was responding to a question from a viewer with the information. It sounds like you didn’t have a good experience with your rental and I’m sorry that is the case, but your original comment doesn’t match the video you commented on.
@@SpinnerEV then something weird going on. I commented on a RENTAL video. Sorry to put this against your non rental post.
@Jimboit2 no worries.
“It’s been totaled 17 times but that’s great because now i have no stress when it’s gets totaled again”
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@@MK-_-Rob that’s the logic he kept using, he kept saying these scratches are great because now i don’t have to worry about scratches
People who buy rental EV's are crazy!
If the price is low enough, it is fine
There are a few lemons. Depends on your risk tolerance
They lie about the Range you actually get on these cars
Nice video.
If I get one, the plan is the monthly payment plan for Enhanced Autopilot. Zero interest in FSD, that will just degrade people's skill as drivers because they will be lazy and rely upon it all the time.
I am tempted to see what Hertz has available since they have a sales site local to me BUT if I want the tax benefit, I have to look at new because of the $$ limitations.
As you mentioned, First World Problems. ;-/
I also got a used 2022, can you show what fixes youll do for road noise? Im also have that issue and have some new seals coming
Once I figure out what I’m going to do I will for sure make a video
New sub🎉. Content is easy to understand. Nothing visually challenging. Good old fashion facts and opinions❤
Keep recording, I'll keep watching and commenting 🤠
Thanks!
I just want to thank you for the info on Hertz EV sales. Just so you no. Hertz also is selling Bolt EUV’s for an incredible price.
Enterprise car sales has regular Bolts
Normal wear and tear??? Did you do battery health check?? Most people trash the battery!
Are those 18" wheels? Where did you get the wheel covers?
They are 18”. Wheel covers are from EV Base. I did a video on them a few weeks ago. Here’s the link.
Special Edition: A Review of EVBase Uberturbine Wheel Covers for Our Tesla Model 3
ruclips.net/video/wcqft_C68TI/видео.html
Nice job
Thanks!