Image quality first. I’ve followed these tips and they have helped tremendously in gyms. I’ve also begun using a grey card after setting the frame rate/iso/ aperture and it has helped me keep the iso in the 500-800 range and eliminated any graininess in post. I haven’t seen much mentioned about using a grey card for videography, is using one overkill for videography? My nemesis in gym lighting is the AD at the local school, he will have pregame lighting of the gym at 100% and then turns off half of the lights once the game starts. 🙄
@@seanflaherty1854 A grey card is a great tool for videography as well. But I typically get away with not using one. They way your AD goes from full light to less light is surprising, it's usually the other way around!
Great info! Recently I raised the shutter speed and forget I wasn't outside doing football. 🤦🏾♂️ I had it backwards. Good thing I didn't crank it too high...but I noticed the difference. Love the info, E!
Thanks for all these videos you are making ! I just started videography for my bball club and it is very helpful. I have a ZVE10 and a Tamron 28-75 f2.8. I did not really get why you recommend to film in 24 fps. When I do it my image is all blurred as soon as there is a little bit of action so I don't really understand why you recommend that. Thanks !
Thank you for the kind words! What ever frame rate you shoot at, it should never affect the blurriness of your image. So there must be another setting that changes when you shoot at 24p and that's what creates your problem. I'm guessing the shutter speed is probably too low.
Hi. Thanks for these tips. Really good for us with a tight budget (smartphone, micro 4/3...). For speed ramping, what shutter speed should I use for 24 fps or 30 fps? Thanks
You won't be able to do speed ramping if you film at 24 or 30fps. I mean, you can but the quality will be affected by the lack of extra frames so the shutter speed won't make much of a difference. Just keep it at double the frame rate as per usual.
Thanks! And don't worry, none of this is specific to Sony cameras. Frame rates, aperture, ISO, shutter speed, and picture profiles work exactly the same way in all cameras.
What would you recommend for photography? I have a Sony A6000 with the fantastic Samyang 135MM F1.8. I'll be taking pictures of swimmers in indoor conditions.
I never take photos so take my advice for what it's worth but in sports photography you need a much higher shutter speed, at least 1/1000 if you're shooting adults. Everything else is dealt with pretty much the same way as video.
I have a Sony ZV E 10 with a 18 to 105 F4 lens. Took me a minute to figure it out but I film at 4k24 frames per second. ISO is between 800-1250 with a one over 50 shutter speed with a log 2 709 picture profile works great for me for filming my son son's middle school basketball team. I was hoping to see if you have any recommendations for filming football, since there are a lot of teams down here in America, doing seven or seven work before the tackle football season begins.
Well, you won't have any low light issues filming outdoor sports, that's for sure. If any thing, you should invest in a variable ND filter do manage all the extra light.
Yeah man picked up a variable ND filter last week and used it for the first time indoors, it worked out great because that school had better lighting. I'm just waiting for the weather to clear up so that way I can start practicing for football.
Like I said in the video, it’s very subjective. There isn’t a picture profile made specifically for low light. But personally I would use something like Cine2 or HLG2 for example.
I'm going to shoot a boxing event in a few days. Dark stadium with spotlights on the boxing ring. Is the case with "keep your ISO under 6400" the same with a7siii?
The spotlights on the ring should give you a decent lighting. But yes, that’s a full frame camera so you should be fine. But you’ll get the best results (no noise) at one of the two native ISOs.
Great to know about the shutter speed based on frame rate, but the thing that kills me is low aperture and auto-focus. Using 2.8 with auto-focus gives me a high chance of blurry shots. If I put aperture between 4-7, the focus is better, but then my ISO goes over 5000 and starts to get noisy. Any tips on balancing that?? Thank you!
If you're not happy with the autofocus performances at F2.8 but you don't want to sacrifice image quality to fix it, my suggestion would be to use manual focus at F2.8.
When i first started in 2016 i was under the impression that i could not go above my sonys iso of 800 😂. Somehow i convinced myself its better to do it in post snd i ended up with color banding, washed out images and overall lower quality. I was also using a $50 dell monitor and i never knew my image was good enough until i exported and checked the quality on my samsung s10+. Im not entirely sure why i thought this way about iso but I wish i had this video in 2017
Well it's true that the best way to avoid any noise in your image is to stick to the native ISO. But if this results in underexposed footage and you filmed it in 8-bit color, trying to fix it in post will probably look worse than the noise you would have created in camera with extra ISO.
First of all, the native ISO values in that camera are 800 and 2500 so try to stick to those as much as possible. Also, this camera has a crop sensor and at 4K/120 you add an extra 1.5 crop. So you will lose quality in doing so and introduce some grain in your image.
Great explanation for beginners, however the ISO part feels like a bum steer. You own an FX3 which has dual base ISO of 800/12800 so saying to put that at 6400 seems counter intuitive. Not every full frame camera is the same.
My iso recommandations are generalized for any camera of each sensor type. Not specific to the FX3. But like I said in the video, it’s not an exact science. And even on the FX3, even though my second native iso is at 12800, the values between 6400 and 12000 will still look pretty average and noisy.
If you are at 24fps, 1/50, F2.8, ISO 3200, and the image is still dark, there's nothing else you can do that won't affect image quality. There's a limit to what a camera can do and they all need a minimum amount of light to work properly.
IMHO, the amount of light you get from going down to 1/50 from 1/60 is so minor that it's not worth giving up those 6 frames per second to drop to 24p because those 6 frames feel crucial in pans, especially if you're doing vertical edits that look more jarring that way. The only time I use 24 these days is for interviews that won't be mixed with anything else. Necessity does inspire creativity and I feel for young kids coming up trying to produce with their cell phones. OTOH, they make me feel old when they try to squeeze in 3 plays in one second along with a matrix numbers overlay which doesn't even make sense (WTF does that have to do with basketball and why you copying a movie that came out before ya were even born?).
Fair enough, I get what you mean about 24 vs 30. But if you edit in a 24fps timeline, your 24fps footage shouldn't look jarring during pans. At least in theory.
For me I think we should stop relying on slow motion. It's a crutch that if we don't have it we can't make a good video; especially since I'm also doing weddings also I've seen this to be true. There's still room for game footage sure but the audience, which ultimately is the kids on social, don't even have the attention span to watch a slow mo montage. All industries are changing now for the better. Tell a story, change the game and do something that AI can't do, that's the new challenge.
What's your priority, image quality or speed ramping?
Image quality first. I’ve followed these tips and they have helped tremendously in gyms. I’ve also begun using a grey card after setting the frame rate/iso/ aperture and it has helped me keep the iso in the 500-800 range and eliminated any graininess in post. I haven’t seen much mentioned about using a grey card for videography, is using one overkill for videography? My nemesis in gym lighting is the AD at the local school, he will have pregame lighting of the gym at 100% and then turns off half of the lights once the game starts. 🙄
@@seanflaherty1854 A grey card is a great tool for videography as well. But I typically get away with not using one. They way your AD goes from full light to less light is surprising, it's usually the other way around!
Oh my god, I needed this video so badly. I've been trying to nail exposure in dark basketball gyms with an apsc sensor for a while now.
Happy to help!
So much value for such a short clip! Great job as always. Thanks for it.
Thank you for your ongoing support 🙏🏽
Thank you! When I saw the title I got so excited😂 Never thought about lowering the frame rate! Will give it a try!
Glad I could help! Let me know how you go with it.
Once again coning up with very helpful information. Thanks E!
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Great info! Recently I raised the shutter speed and forget I wasn't outside doing football. 🤦🏾♂️ I had it backwards. Good thing I didn't crank it too high...but I noticed the difference. Love the info, E!
Trial and errors. That how I learned most of what I know.
@BeyondTheGame_E yes, indeed!
Thanks for all these videos you are making ! I just started videography for my bball club and it is very helpful. I have a ZVE10 and a Tamron 28-75 f2.8. I did not really get why you recommend to film in 24 fps. When I do it my image is all blurred as soon as there is a little bit of action so I don't really understand why you recommend that. Thanks !
Thank you for the kind words! What ever frame rate you shoot at, it should never affect the blurriness of your image. So there must be another setting that changes when you shoot at 24p and that's what creates your problem. I'm guessing the shutter speed is probably too low.
I needed thisssss
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Hi. Thanks for these tips. Really good for us with a tight budget (smartphone, micro 4/3...). For speed ramping, what shutter speed should I use for 24 fps or 30 fps? Thanks
You won't be able to do speed ramping if you film at 24 or 30fps. I mean, you can but the quality will be affected by the lack of extra frames so the shutter speed won't make much of a difference. Just keep it at double the frame rate as per usual.
Happy to help by the way! 👊🏽
Really good videos man, and i know you talk about Sony cameras but any similar settings for a Cannon camera? Like 90D 😊
Thanks! And don't worry, none of this is specific to Sony cameras. Frame rates, aperture, ISO, shutter speed, and picture profiles work exactly the same way in all cameras.
Hey, great video, sorry for asking but what picture profile would you suggest for the ZV-e10 with an okay contrast ? Thanks !
Turning the picture profile OFF is actually a great option.
What would you recommend for photography? I have a Sony A6000 with the fantastic Samyang 135MM F1.8. I'll be taking pictures of swimmers in indoor conditions.
I never take photos so take my advice for what it's worth but in sports photography you need a much higher shutter speed, at least 1/1000 if you're shooting adults. Everything else is dealt with pretty much the same way as video.
@@BeyondTheGame_E Thanks for the feedback, I'll give it a try at the next Gala.
I have a Sony ZV E 10 with a 18 to 105 F4 lens. Took me a minute to figure it out but I film at 4k24 frames per second. ISO is between 800-1250 with a one over 50 shutter speed with a log 2 709 picture profile works great for me for filming my son son's middle school basketball team. I was hoping to see if you have any recommendations for filming football, since there are a lot of teams down here in America, doing seven or seven work before the tackle football season begins.
Well, you won't have any low light issues filming outdoor sports, that's for sure. If any thing, you should invest in a variable ND filter do manage all the extra light.
Yeah man picked up a variable ND filter last week and used it for the first time indoors, it worked out great because that school had better lighting. I'm just waiting for the weather to clear up so that way I can start practicing for football.
Bless you E
FOR ZVE 10 MARK 1 WHATS THE BEST PICTURE PROFILE TO USE IN LOW LIGHT GYM SLIKE THE FIRST LOW LIGHT GYM CLIPS YOU SHOWED
Like I said in the video, it’s very subjective. There isn’t a picture profile made specifically for low light. But personally I would use something like Cine2 or HLG2 for example.
@@BeyondTheGame_E ok , I just bought the mark 1 so im trying to lean to make the most of it
Manual or Film in Sony a6400
I'm going to shoot a boxing event in a few days. Dark stadium with spotlights on the boxing ring.
Is the case with "keep your ISO under 6400" the same with a7siii?
The spotlights on the ring should give you a decent lighting. But yes, that’s a full frame camera so you should be fine. But you’ll get the best results (no noise) at one of the two native ISOs.
Great to know about the shutter speed based on frame rate, but the thing that kills me is low aperture and auto-focus. Using 2.8 with auto-focus gives me a high chance of blurry shots. If I put aperture between 4-7, the focus is better, but then my ISO goes over 5000 and starts to get noisy. Any tips on balancing that?? Thank you!
If you're not happy with the autofocus performances at F2.8 but you don't want to sacrifice image quality to fix it, my suggestion would be to use manual focus at F2.8.
@@BeyondTheGame_E haha, ya I was afraid the only option would be going with manual focus😅 Thank you!
When i first started in 2016 i was under the impression that i could not go above my sonys iso of 800 😂. Somehow i convinced myself its better to do it in post snd i ended up with color banding, washed out images and overall lower quality. I was also using a $50 dell monitor and i never knew my image was good enough until i exported and checked the quality on my samsung s10+. Im not entirely sure why i thought this way about iso but I wish i had this video in 2017
Well it's true that the best way to avoid any noise in your image is to stick to the native ISO. But if this results in underexposed footage and you filmed it in 8-bit color, trying to fix it in post will probably look worse than the noise you would have created in camera with extra ISO.
Why does my footage come out grainy when I’m at 1250 iso, 4k 120 fps 1.5 crop sensor 250 shutter speed? I’m on the A6700 please help.
First of all, the native ISO values in that camera are 800 and 2500 so try to stick to those as much as possible. Also, this camera has a crop sensor and at 4K/120 you add an extra 1.5 crop. So you will lose quality in doing so and introduce some grain in your image.
Great explanation for beginners, however the ISO part feels like a bum steer. You own an FX3 which has dual base ISO of 800/12800 so saying to put that at 6400 seems counter intuitive. Not every full frame camera is the same.
My iso recommandations are generalized for any camera of each sensor type. Not specific to the FX3. But like I said in the video, it’s not an exact science. And even on the FX3, even though my second native iso is at 12800, the values between 6400 and 12000 will still look pretty average and noisy.
Do you use sony pp?
Yes I use SLOG3.
But what if your exposure is shitty even whey u are at a 3200 exposure?
If you are at 24fps, 1/50, F2.8, ISO 3200, and the image is still dark, there's nothing else you can do that won't affect image quality. There's a limit to what a camera can do and they all need a minimum amount of light to work properly.
Regarding the ISO ... if your camera got dual native ISO it's a different story :D
Of course! Dual native ISO is the best feature ever for low light conditions. Assuming that the second base ISO is high enough anyway.
IMHO, the amount of light you get from going down to 1/50 from 1/60 is so minor that it's not worth giving up those 6 frames per second to drop to 24p because those 6 frames feel crucial in pans, especially if you're doing vertical edits that look more jarring that way. The only time I use 24 these days is for interviews that won't be mixed with anything else.
Necessity does inspire creativity and I feel for young kids coming up trying to produce with their cell phones. OTOH, they make me feel old when they try to squeeze in 3 plays in one second along with a matrix numbers overlay which doesn't even make sense (WTF does that have to do with basketball and why you copying a movie that came out before ya were even born?).
Fair enough, I get what you mean about 24 vs 30. But if you edit in a 24fps timeline, your 24fps footage shouldn't look jarring during pans. At least in theory.
For me I think we should stop relying on slow motion. It's a crutch that if we don't have it we can't make a good video; especially since I'm also doing weddings also I've seen this to be true. There's still room for game footage sure but the audience, which ultimately is the kids on social, don't even have the attention span to watch a slow mo montage. All industries are changing now for the better. Tell a story, change the game and do something that AI can't do, that's the new challenge.