Does breaking Kareem's scoring record solidify LeBron's case as the GOAT? | NBA | UNDISPUTED

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  • @TheFacilityonFS1
    @TheFacilityonFS1  Год назад +76

    Check out the the Club Shay Shay podcast: foxs.pt/shayshay

    • @infiniti37G
      @infiniti37G Год назад +14

      NOWAY. Go look at "Danger productions" goat comparison on You tube. JORDAN DESTROYS LEBRON BAD. Their is more info you guys dont know. CASE IS CLOSED JORDAN IS THE GOAT

    • @mkbadlands5346
      @mkbadlands5346 Год назад +3

      Anthony Davis is a mole. He scored 13 points on one of the Lakers’ biggest nights of all time, when the team and LaBron needed you most! SMH
      He’s garbage and played like he found out LeBron ok’d a trade which would have involved him for Kyrie or something.
      That game was the most watched game in NBA history with viewers around the world captivated and you put up 13??! Against a team struggling to get into the play-in tourney??
      They need to take his top 75 spot and give it to Dwight Howard frfr

    • @busharagbar4420
      @busharagbar4420 Год назад +4

      Shannon sharpe has no say when it comes to the goat conversation because he is clearly bias, He is not a journalist, He is LeBron friend.

    • @busharagbar4420
      @busharagbar4420 Год назад +4

      Nobody has ever turn the ball over more than LeBaron , Nobody talks about that . Mike is the goat

    • @busharagbar4420
      @busharagbar4420 Год назад +1

      Fan boy shannon , Groopie shannon

  • @Casf1914
    @Casf1914 Год назад +1218

    Mad respect to Kareem for being there to congratulate LeBron in person for surpassing him as the all time leading scorer. Ultimate sportsmanship

    • @MansaX
      @MansaX Год назад +40

      We must be honest though. It's an amazing feat by James but Kareem didn't shoot 3's in his career

    • @Theyaintme_cb6
      @Theyaintme_cb6 Год назад +95

      Yeah after being paid and beg by Adam Silver, come on Kareem was just criticizing Lebron 2 years straight

    • @yay568
      @yay568 Год назад +31

      Yeah but Kareem still took like 100 more shots than Lebron as well so it balances out

    • @chrisp3581
      @chrisp3581 Год назад +20

      Lebron is playing for a stat only not winning. Kareem and Jordan were playing to win games and championships.

    • @MansaX
      @MansaX Год назад +5

      @@yay568 bc they were 2s bro

  • @cbcbrown88
    @cbcbrown88 Год назад +2479

    GOAT conversation will always be opinion based.

    • @KingMK31
      @KingMK31 Год назад +189

      BEST ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION!

    • @EbossFyp
      @EbossFyp Год назад +61

      Yes but we know which opinion overshadows the other

    • @urbaindelva7869
      @urbaindelva7869 Год назад +180

      @eboss14 Opinions cannot overshadow each other. That's not how it works.

    • @brandonyul1570
      @brandonyul1570 Год назад +99

      No lebron is the goat it's facts

    • @willharden6456
      @willharden6456 Год назад +30

      No its not opinion

  • @1Humbly
    @1Humbly Год назад +294

    They been arguing bout the same Jordan-LeBron debate since 2016😂😂

    • @KimarKurosaski
      @KimarKurosaski Год назад +20

      Damn near once a week too 😂 I think they have a playlist on this channel purely dedicated to only Lebron videos 😭

    • @brandinross293
      @brandinross293 Год назад +6

      Since 20010 💀

    • @Jeff-te2cc
      @Jeff-te2cc Год назад +2

      Keep your eye out on The View count for each Undisputed video that debates who is the greatest player of all time

    • @ELLOSEE
      @ELLOSEE Год назад

      Yes sir😆

    • @brandonyul1570
      @brandonyul1570 Год назад +3

      I know! This is such a dumb conversation too because in reality we all know that Iman Shumpert is the real NBA GOAT.

  • @newera5238
    @newera5238 Год назад +39

    “It’s my turn” Skip…I need that on a T-shirt, that would make bread! 😅

  • @MarkBanks77
    @MarkBanks77 Год назад +678

    Even MJ said it's hard to compare different generations of players because the game changes so much over time.

    • @VICTORBARAHONA1983
      @VICTORBARAHONA1983 Год назад +29

      Yeah and LeBron said he was the best player to ever play the game

    • @thunderousbandit6679
      @thunderousbandit6679 Год назад +32

      @@VICTORBARAHONA1983 Jordan also said that

    • @jp23x
      @jp23x Год назад +54

      That's Jordan being humble. He has class, unlike lebron. That's why nobody respects lebron.. and he knows it.

    • @TheStrategos392
      @TheStrategos392 Год назад +41

      MJ was being humble. Lebron will never surpass Mike and he knows that.

    • @LAFLAME1111
      @LAFLAME1111 Год назад +69

      @@TheStrategos392 calling yourself black Jesus is humble now huh

  • @colbybailey1983
    @colbybailey1983 Год назад +321

    When it comes to Lebron vs Jordan, I always think Skip and Shannon might not be friends afterwards 🤣👏🏾

    • @BillionDollarBoysEnt
      @BillionDollarBoysEnt Год назад +2

      They will.

    • @bamboosho0t
      @bamboosho0t Год назад +13

      Skip talks about MVP’s _”Jordan 5 v LeBron 4, but LeBron played longer…”_ Um, Jordan took 11 seasons to get 5 MVP’s vs LeBron it took 5 seasons to get 4MVP’s. Skip, as usual, is purposely incomplete in his arguments.

    • @mikekeyes78
      @mikekeyes78 Год назад +11

      @@bamboosho0t jordan should of won it every year they even gave it to other players because they was tired of jordan go look at jordan stats what are u talking about

    • @kuwa333
      @kuwa333 Год назад +10

      @@bamboosho0t lol Jordan could've won at least 7 MVPs if the NBA didn't get tired voting him, 9 MVPs if he played the 2 seasons he retired in his prime. Also could've had 8 championships if he played in '94 and '95.

    • @The4everTurtles
      @The4everTurtles Год назад +4

      @@mikekeyes78 lebron should of won it way more aswell, he was snubbed off DPOY

  • @peladadopark8068
    @peladadopark8068 Год назад +114

    "I take nothing away from what LeBron just accomplished."
    "That's all you try to do!" xD

    • @Younis1446
      @Younis1446 Год назад +1

      yea skip contradicts himself a lot.. by the way, the videos on the playlist on my channel might interest some people..

    • @samuelvillanueva9956
      @samuelvillanueva9956 Год назад +1

      @@Younis1446 Shannon has just been fired 😂

  • @hollywoodlegend4505
    @hollywoodlegend4505 Год назад +319

    I love how Skip avoids any stat that paints Jordan in a negative light.

    • @elsteezus
      @elsteezus Год назад +21

      Because they're moot in comparison to LeBron
      Edit: for you dummies who lack reading comprehension, I'm implying that Jordan's shortcomings pale in comparison to lebron's.

    • @kodygill5237
      @kodygill5237 Год назад +32

      @El Es really 1 scoring title in 20 years jordan has 10 in 14 years michael never lost a final and won an mvp for all 6 of his finals and it took lebron 16 years to score as many points as Jordan when Jordan only took 14 years Jordan have the highest ppg average of any nba player he holds the record and his average was 30 ppg if he played 20 years he would of ended with 49000 with that average I'll give lebron durability and longevity but that's it

    • @go_423
      @go_423 Год назад +15

      Shannon does the same

    • @toolegit7668
      @toolegit7668 Год назад +23

      Because Shannon's points make zero sense.
      "Jordan couldn't beat the Celtics"
      It was his 2nd year in the league and he was coming off a broken foot, he played like 18 games before the playoffs. And the 86 Celtics are one of the greatest teams of all time. And MJ still torched them. His 63 points in Game 2 still stands as the most points in a playoff game to this day. Bruh was in year 2. Whereas LeBron didn't even make the playoffs his 2nd year in the league. Nonsensical point
      LeBron was a better 3 point shooter. Jordan played in an era where 3s weren't taken nearly as much. Go look at guys like Reggie Miller and Chris Mullin and Bird and compare their stats to today's players. Steph and Dame are taking 11, 12 3pointers a game now. It's completely ridiculous to even bring that up.

    • @kenchanwaki
      @kenchanwaki Год назад +6

      Although SS points are valid at the end of the day no body care about losing. MJ was great at winning at all costs and that’s a fact no one can dispute

  • @mikelambo7133
    @mikelambo7133 Год назад +380

    Shannon screaming the questions and skip just casually answering a whole diff point is 😂😂😂😂😂

    • @dc4690
      @dc4690 Год назад +23

      Shannon going crazy about career FG percentages like he doesn’t already know it doesn’t determine who’s the better shooter/scorer,lol.
      If it does then MJ’s a better shooter than Steph,lmao.
      And Phil Jackson hadn’t even won a game yet let alone a championship when he became coach of the Bulls.He became the Phil Jackson👀 everyone know’s now by coaching prime MJ,Shaq & Kobe.He didn’t show up to Chicago like that.Shannon knows this as well,lol.

    • @YoungChuy2398
      @YoungChuy2398 Год назад +14

      Yet but when skip does it, it’s a problem but when Shannon does it, it’s just “Unc Shay being Unc” 🧐

    • @Eddybo22
      @Eddybo22 Год назад +3

      @@dc4690 Phil won without Jordan, did Jordan win without Phil?

    • @dc4690
      @dc4690 Год назад +7

      Phil won with Shaq & Kobe.
      Did MJ play with Shaq & Kobe?

    • @Eddybo22
      @Eddybo22 Год назад +8

      @@dc4690 Jordan never won again without Phil, but Phil won without Jordan, so was it Jordan or was it Phil who brought the success? At the end of the day Coaching plays a pivotal role in winning championships. Clearly Jordan couldn't even make any team a contender if the coaching wasn't there meanwhile any team LeBron steps on is always seen as a contender even if the coaching is subpar. Jordan won those titles on the strength of coaching and the team around him. How good was Jordan without those guys? Did they even sniff the conference finals again?

  • @DeeJayStrokes
    @DeeJayStrokes Год назад +158

    Skip avoids answering questions like no other lol

    • @da2552
      @da2552 Год назад +17

      Shannon brings up baseball during a badketball debate😂

    • @lorddio7048
      @lorddio7048 Год назад

      Fax he just says ok and goes to the next topic

    • @nchan4679
      @nchan4679 Год назад +1

      Talk about the ultimate deflector. Lol

    • @Up2you2
      @Up2you2 Год назад +17

      @@da2552 because he’s tryna make a point use your brain

    • @beforethegate8461
      @beforethegate8461 Год назад

      @@Up2you2 apples and oranges. Different sports.

  • @secoopjohnp
    @secoopjohnp 4 месяца назад +5

    Ernestine asks Skip before this show: how many double standards are you going to use today?
    Skip - Yes.

  • @leetraviusmckay2919
    @leetraviusmckay2919 Год назад +238

    I’m just glad that Kareem is getting some recognition in the GOAT debate.

    • @joshua.snyder
      @joshua.snyder Год назад +7

      Sneakerheads have skewed the discussion for too long.

    • @GIBBO4182
      @GIBBO4182 Год назад +15

      If you include high school and college, plus nba…he’s all on his own at the top!

    • @keithgupton9349
      @keithgupton9349 Год назад +5

      @@GIBBO4182 amen

    • @keithgupton9349
      @keithgupton9349 Год назад +12

      Poor Bill Russell he gets absolutely no love. 11 championships in 13 years. But isn't even worthy of being in the conversation. SMH

    • @Ron88428
      @Ron88428 Год назад +1

      100% His stats and accomplishments make a compelling case still. One can make a GOAT case for either Kareem, MJ, or LeBron.

  • @maxflunker6219
    @maxflunker6219 Год назад +51

    as soon as shannon corners skip on one of his talking points, skip just goes to the next 😂

  • @michaelknight5614
    @michaelknight5614 Год назад +274

    Respect to Kareem, as a man it sucks to be surpassed. Nobody has to admit it but it’s true. The fact that he arrived there is beautiful

    • @Shaggrtoon
      @Shaggrtoon Год назад +1

      He won't be forgotten, so at least there's that.

    • @jobofernandez8293
      @jobofernandez8293 Год назад +3

      Kareen plays in an era that doesn't have 3 points shot for 10 years lol

    • @toolegit7668
      @toolegit7668 Год назад +7

      @@jobofernandez8293 Thank you. And this era has relaxed the defensive rules and taken the power forward out of the game, which plays right into LeBron's strengths. Context is important

    • @jobofernandez8293
      @jobofernandez8293 Год назад

      @@Themealman That's not excuse that's a fact

    • @toolegit7668
      @toolegit7668 Год назад

      Well, Kareem surpassed Wilt. And with the trajectory that some of these young guys like Tatum, Luka, and Booker are on, they will eventually pass LeBron too. LeBron is going to dedicate his final 3-5 years in the league to try to make this record unbreakable lol

  • @cannong1084
    @cannong1084 Год назад +124

    "They act like two legends cannot coexist" -J Cole

  • @8teenOfficial
    @8teenOfficial Год назад +50

    I like how Skip doesn't answer Shannon's question about MJ LOL

    • @bgmck349
      @bgmck349 Год назад

      Because theyre stupid.....shannon over here bringing up baseball and hank aaron lol. Bruh...its a longevity stat....same as it was for hank aaron.

    • @doodeeman1304
      @doodeeman1304 Год назад +1

      “LeBron is better. Who has the most home runs is baseball? Exactly that’s why LeBron is the goat” -Shannon not so sharp.

    • @samuelvillanueva9956
      @samuelvillanueva9956 Год назад

      Shannon has just been fired

  • @teshawnmorgan8359
    @teshawnmorgan8359 Год назад +115

    I swear Skip is just here to troll Shannon 😂😂

    • @blackalgorithmist000
      @blackalgorithmist000 Год назад

      Literally 🤣🤣🤣

    • @M_Star007
      @M_Star007 Год назад

      😂 Exactly! That brings him Joy, smh

    • @TheGoatLocker
      @TheGoatLocker Год назад

      Skip speaks from pure bias, complete disregard for logic and common sense. Kareem, Jordan, LeBron. It's up for debate with people that are open minded. Otherwise it's opinions based on bias, one way or another. Due to their different eras, positions, and overall career achievements/ moments it makes for a great discussion for level headed individuals. Excluding idiots and trolls. Such as Skip Bias.

    • @FrozenAngel4173
      @FrozenAngel4173 Год назад

      Shannon is no smarter. He's actually the worst basketball analyst.

    • @envisionstudios4800
      @envisionstudios4800 Год назад

      Skip is right Jordan is better than Lebron. Lebron is still trying to win six, and that team he lost to last night was bad.

  • @caleb5498
    @caleb5498 Год назад +172

    I wish Kobe could of been there to witness this as well .. 😢

    • @IsaacLikesGames
      @IsaacLikesGames Год назад +16

      He’s probably watching down from Heaven giving him a standing ovation

    • @GVNGLVNDMCKEY
      @GVNGLVNDMCKEY Год назад +5

      I said that out loud during the game bless up

    • @kavynryan3159
      @kavynryan3159 Год назад +5

      @@IsaacLikesGames that last shot bron made to break the record, someone out there must have yelled "Kobe!" 😂

    • @310chris18
      @310chris18 Год назад +7

      Kobe im heaven like i still got 5 and you got 4 score all you want playa.

    • @MultilinguistGlobalFitBlessed
      @MultilinguistGlobalFitBlessed Год назад +1

      Could’ve or could have. Never COULD OF... And Kobe would cheer him, then trash talk SEMI-PLAYFULLY, AS ASSASSINS WOULD, and remind Bron that Kobe was always greater and better. MJ is NBA GOAT. Kareem is basketball GOAT. Bron is longevity GOAT. Wilt and Bill are GOATS. Kobe is GOAT. Always better than Bron. Magic is closest competition. Then Bird. Bron is top 4-6 for me.

  • @eternalchilofgod3
    @eternalchilofgod3 Год назад +153

    Skip's argument about Jordan taking 3 years off actually works against him 🤣

    • @deeno2good541
      @deeno2good541 Год назад +3

      Did you see it too? 😂

    • @eternalchilofgod3
      @eternalchilofgod3 Год назад +3

      @@deeno2good541 Yeah he's horrible 🤣

    • @chrishayes962
      @chrishayes962 Год назад +10

      Remember when the Spurs let LeBron just have open jump shots?

    • @ATS21198421
      @ATS21198421 Год назад +32

      Does it really?! The championships & accolades compiled in 13 full seasons is insane LBJ has 20 seasons & is trailing! 🤷‍♂️

    • @envisionstudios4800
      @envisionstudios4800 Год назад +7

      Jordan took three years off, once they fired his coach, and second, he won six and never lost in the championship..

  • @Atclav
    @Atclav Год назад +126

    LeBron breaking record with 1335 more free throws and 2235 more three pointers show how great Jabbar was as a player.

    • @mezziebone
      @mezziebone Год назад +36

      it shows lebron is an all around player

    • @nickgates4387
      @nickgates4387 Год назад +8

      Shows how much better Kareem was

    • @vernonherb
      @vernonherb Год назад +1

      Yup

    • @joshuag8
      @joshuag8 Год назад +19

      Say all u want true fact LeBron did it in way less games

    • @nickgates4387
      @nickgates4387 Год назад +4

      @@joshuag8 100 less games is way less? Not in the grand scheme of things. I would take A LITTLE LESS points per game for A LOT MORE efficiency. And that’s exactly what we are talking about here. Unarguably.

  • @stackntax1308
    @stackntax1308 Год назад +228

    We didn’t refer to Kareem as the goat when he held the record so let’s not make the scoring record the measuring stick

    • @KCTopDawg
      @KCTopDawg Год назад +20

      That part

    • @jgreed5
      @jgreed5 Год назад +11

      Exactly!!!???!!!

    • @hardheadfat59
      @hardheadfat59 Год назад +24

      Slightly right , but Kareem in most ppl top 3 , top 5 ( ppl who actually know basketball )

    • @jhales313
      @jhales313 Год назад +15

      Kareem had a great case and should’ve been considered the goat. He has 6 mvps

    • @Wavy612
      @Wavy612 Год назад +77

      We didn't refer to bill russel the goat so let's not make championships the measuring stick

  • @luvodaniso450
    @luvodaniso450 Год назад +66

    If you have been watching this show for a minute,you can definitely recite Skip’s lines.

    • @capocapo7381
      @capocapo7381 Год назад +1

      😂😂😂😂😂😂

    • @ChrisWilliams-ur7fn
      @ChrisWilliams-ur7fn Год назад +7

      "His owner accused him of _quit-ting!"_

    • @NSP_AJ
      @NSP_AJ Год назад +3

      “You know it and I Know it”

    • @WalkingWallet
      @WalkingWallet Год назад

      It's amazing how this old white man has made millions of the same subjects smh

    • @starmorpheus
      @starmorpheus Год назад +1

      "Toenail on the line"

  • @bigpoppa6658
    @bigpoppa6658 Год назад +104

    Kareem Abdul Jabbar
    Michael Jordan
    LeBron James
    All 3 are the greatest of their era.
    What separates Jordan is the fact that he made Basketball and the NBA a worldwide brand like nobody else ever could and his Bulls were the team to beat because of him.
    LbJs mission is completely different. No other superstar had to carry the burden he had since his high-school days and it's insane how he's still on top of the game in year 20. His achievements will last longer than ever.
    Kobe & Duncan dominated the early 2k

    • @kelvinwilkes1050
      @kelvinwilkes1050 Год назад +1

      Kobe?? No he didn't. Shaq and Duncan did. As far as just scoring I would argue Allen Iverson was over Kobe in the early 2000s also

    • @adeokuneye9288
      @adeokuneye9288 Год назад +13

      @@kelvinwilkes1050 your bugging kobe dominated the NBA in the early 2000s

    • @kelvinwilkes1050
      @kelvinwilkes1050 Год назад +6

      @Yo Yo Yo I would never argue that. A.I was a straight dog!
      "We are lucky Allen Iverson isn't 6'6"- Kobe

    • @tayvonwilson9297
      @tayvonwilson9297 Год назад +4

      @Matthew Jordan all around better than Lebron ?

    • @chilldoc9638
      @chilldoc9638 Год назад

      @Yo Yo Yo 😂😂😂

  • @Aj4youtube
    @Aj4youtube Год назад +134

    I’ll say this, that was one of the coolest celebrations I’ve ever seen. Would’ve been wild with a W.

    • @Artifex422
      @Artifex422 Год назад +7

      @matthewjordan6957lebron quit playing after he got the record, he could’ve dropped 50

    • @Artifex422
      @Artifex422 Год назад

      @matthewjordan6957 aren’t you supposed to be in geometry class kid

    • @Artifex422
      @Artifex422 Год назад +2

      @matthewjordan6957 lunch break kiddo

    • @rochambeau2111
      @rochambeau2111 Год назад

      @@Artifex422 good thing speculation doesn’t equal truth lol

    • @themasterseye
      @themasterseye Год назад +1

      They lost BECAUSE of the celebration. Should have been held after the game. Look at how the lakers played in the 4th quarter. Lebron, AD, looked asleep in the 4th and just gave up points again and again while russ and pat bev were trying to eek out a win. Im pretty disappointed in Lebron last night, how are you gonna go off for 36 in 3 quarters and then mentally go home because you are the scoring champ. Lakers need every win they can get, cant be taking nights off.

  • @KrispyLifeBray
    @KrispyLifeBray Год назад +60

    Every time Uncle Shay make a valid point, Skip never have anything too say lmao.

    • @famousdex1782
      @famousdex1782 Год назад +11

      Oh yeah, like Jordan quitting in 93. Very valid point. Jordan’s dad being murdered isn’t a valid excuse, right?

    • @pavlegrebenarevic382
      @pavlegrebenarevic382 Год назад +1

      @@famousdex1782 cope harder

    • @famousdex1782
      @famousdex1782 Год назад +9

      @@pavlegrebenarevic382 I mean…if Jordan isn’t your goat then it’s some guy that has lost more finals than won

    • @dc4690
      @dc4690 Год назад +2

      Wonder what Shannon would have to say about this...⤵️
      Per game all-time at his position MJ is 1st pts,1st blk,2nd stl,3rd reb & 5th in ast.
      That’s top 5 in every category,top 3 in 4 outta 5 categories.He’s the only only player in nba history to accomplish that.
      Per game all time at his position Lebron is 1st ast,2nd pts,9th stl,13th reb & 17th in blk.
      That’s top 5 in two categories,top 3 in two categories.Great but not on MJ’s level clearly.Especially his defensive and rebounding numbers.The only category Lebron better’s MJ relative to their position is assist.We all already knew/know that because that is the ONLY thing Lebron has ever ‘had on MJ’.
      MJ is #1 all-time in P.E.R. in both regular season and playoffs.
      He’s #1 all-time in win shares per game in both regular season and playoffs.
      He’s #1 all-time in BPM in both regular season and playoffs.
      He’s #1 all-time in VORP per game in both regular season and playoffs.
      He has the most scoring titles all-time.
      He made the most all-def 1st teams all-time.
      He lead the league in scoring and made all-def 1st team at the same time 9 times.
      Lebron,Kareem,Wilt,Russell,Bird,Magic,Kobe,Hakeem,Shaq,Steph,Kd,Giannis,Jokic combined never did it once.Not one time.
      MJ has the most trophies all-time with 22 in 1,072 games.
      For context Bill Russell and his 11 championships is 2nd all-time with 17 trophies in 963 games.
      Lebron is 3rd all-time with 16 in 1,407 games so far.
      Kareem is 4th all-time with 15 trophies in 1,560 games.
      There is no debate...except for the fake one nick wright and shannon sharpe have been pushing for yearS now.

    • @dc4690
      @dc4690 Год назад

      @Pavle...
      🤫

  • @jacobkroehler9083
    @jacobkroehler9083 Год назад +21

    i know what they’re gonna say before watching and i’m still here for it😭😭😭

  • @jcvelez915
    @jcvelez915 Год назад +12

    Skip the only one who always brings up about “ Dan Gilbert accused lebron of quitting “ and “ lebron had to be sedated “ Lmaoo

    • @brockontop
      @brockontop Год назад +2

      Every single time. It's spaces on the Bingo board.

  • @Travsice
    @Travsice Год назад +141

    This record shouldn't change your mind. If Brons the GOAT to you he was before this. If MJs you're GOAT he's still your GOAT today. Either way it's a good argument.

    • @themaskedmagic1783
      @themaskedmagic1783 Год назад +23

      @Matthew Jordan “looked better”🤨
      You checking him out or
      something?🤨

    • @Yeboii_Pig
      @Yeboii_Pig Год назад +14

      @Matthew Jordanlook at their stats again buddy😂😂😂 lebrons all around stats blows mjs out the water and lebron still playing 😂😂😂😂

    • @Yeboii_Pig
      @Yeboii_Pig Год назад +3

      @Matthew Jordan and lebron got a better fg%

    • @jimmycharlotin7050
      @jimmycharlotin7050 Год назад +12

      If lebron james is on Jordan's level how come he never 3 peated?

    • @brettt141
      @brettt141 Год назад +1

      its not an argument. lebron fans werent alive to see jordan

  • @leetraviusmckay2919
    @leetraviusmckay2919 Год назад +39

    The funny thing is Shannon wasn’t a Lebron fan from the start, because I remember when he went on “All the smoke” podcast with Matt Barnes and Stakks and he said “he was a Kobe fan”

    • @dorianmarchelgray5292
      @dorianmarchelgray5292 Год назад +3

      That doesn't make him anti lebron. U do know u can be a fan of multiple people

    • @steveknick1978
      @steveknick1978 Год назад

      People can’t figure it out. It’s a DEBATE show. Skip told Shannon before they went to FS1 “you’re going to have to be pro LeBron to counter/debate me being anti LeBron”.
      Shannon is old enough to appreciate Jordan more than most, it’s all just a show & people actually believe it. Shannon puts LeBron over Jordan because he makes $2-3m a year doing it…that’s the only reason.

    • @AngryWeeb
      @AngryWeeb Год назад +4

      Lmao Shannon was more than a fan. He called Kobe the GOAT on Twitter before LmAo. He just became a Bronsexuals when he started working for espn.

    • @matrixseven8528
      @matrixseven8528 Год назад

      @@AngryWeebEXACTLY !!!!

  • @jaebuudhatv8514
    @jaebuudhatv8514 Год назад +66

    Since nobody's gunna say it I will congrats to the thunder for for winning this game and being part of history also congrats to king James

    • @deathcorp2076
      @deathcorp2076 Год назад +4

      Who cares about thunder and shai?

    • @zinjgreen3398
      @zinjgreen3398 Год назад

      @@deathcorp2076 it's fine Lebron always lost passing great players, Kobe, Malone and now Kareem🤭

    • @deathcorp2076
      @deathcorp2076 Год назад +6

      @@zinjgreen3398 still can't understand what that has to do with anything, he has less 2 rings but he a better passer, rebounder etc and has done it for 20 years, even if bron had 6 chips yall would find somethin else....

    • @tyrellleach1846
      @tyrellleach1846 Год назад +4

      @@deathcorp2076 facts. Jordan retired because of a coach... Imagine if lebron threatened to RETIRE because of a coach... The slander would be unreal... LeBaby, LeCry, etc... Lebron gets roasted for wanting his gms to trade fodder for key pieces but Jordan somehow gets praise for quitting on his franchise over a coach.. Lol cant make this up

    • @derekfrancis7782
      @derekfrancis7782 Год назад

      Brah the thunder put mad effort and won

  • @helloi2695
    @helloi2695 Год назад +58

    Every time Shannon makes a great point, skip changes the subject 😆

    • @willloterzo8131
      @willloterzo8131 Год назад +7

      none of shannon's points were good tho

    • @Mercurial.
      @Mercurial. Год назад +7

      LeShannon changed the argument from Basketball to Baseball 👀🤣

    • @cheeze1102
      @cheeze1102 Год назад +1

      Whhat great point??

    • @Mercurial.
      @Mercurial. Год назад +1

      @@bryrashad
      And that very same analogy didn't work out well as that's what LeShannon does when he wants to deflect, he just changes sports.
      Means he is running out of arguments dummie 😂

    • @alejandroalvarez9971
      @alejandroalvarez9971 Год назад +1

      @@bryrashad Jordan was praised because he scored 63 points to Boston, the highest in a playoff Game ever.
      Also, Jordan played less playoffs than Lebron but won more chips.
      One thing i don't like is saying Magic and Thomas were old.
      They were 29 , far from being old, and Magic could have been playing (told by himself) but decided to retire.
      Nobody says that Jordan's Bulls were among the 5 oldest teams to win a championships. And nobody remembers than in that top 5 are Nowitsky's Mavericks and Tim Duncan's spurs, beating Lebron's heat.

  • @TheMCJ2011
    @TheMCJ2011 Год назад +116

    Skip really said “If Cam Thomas can avg 50 a game for the next 13 years” 😭😂😂

  • @maj0rpaynetv
    @maj0rpaynetv Год назад +96

    9:54 This quitting part had me dying, Skip deflect game is A1. 😂😂😂 Idk how Shannon do it

    • @jayysnaxx4506
      @jayysnaxx4506 Год назад +8

      Man I swear. Skip make my head hurt listening to his bulljive sometimes 🤣

    • @510t-mac
      @510t-mac Год назад +6

      Lolol for real

    • @famousdex1782
      @famousdex1782 Год назад +1

      So I guess his father being murdered doesn’t matter, huh?

    • @TeabagDeluxe
      @TeabagDeluxe Год назад +3

      Whenever Shannon brings up a good point Skip ignores it and changes topic lmao

    • @jayysnaxx4506
      @jayysnaxx4506 Год назад +1

      @@famousdex1782 Bro what? 😐

  • @kyngjaquin4632
    @kyngjaquin4632 Год назад +27

    This conversation never gets old to me

  • @bigduck9310
    @bigduck9310 Год назад +8

    skip should get an oscar for his acting during every show

  • @inlivingcolor...abroad6099
    @inlivingcolor...abroad6099 Год назад +13

    “Jordan was less human than Lebron”
    Even Skip had to chuckle at himself for such a crazy statement 😂

  • @lilkloud
    @lilkloud Год назад +34

    “What ya eyes tell ya skip?” 🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @spartan6607
    @spartan6607 Год назад +23

    Man kareem , MJ, and Lebron are all Goats in their perspective eras . Because each of them brought to table things most other players couldn’t do. Yes of course each era had superstars on their respected teams to help balance things . But each of these guys has done things most players wouldn’t be able accomplish.

    • @kennethdeguzman1316
      @kennethdeguzman1316 Год назад +2

      *respective era

    • @wazzup233
      @wazzup233 Год назад +1

      Today's era is sucks than in the 80s and 90s.

    • @lustthomas6033
      @lustthomas6033 Год назад +1

      Kareem was a one trick pony, Shaq would have destroyed him in his prime.

    • @cyberbron2024
      @cyberbron2024 9 месяцев назад

      @@lustthomas6033 Shaq would pass out from eating donuts before getting to the arena to match up with Kareem 😂

  • @carloantoniotubil2722
    @carloantoniotubil2722 Год назад +17

    The fact that the other one was retired for 2 decades and still in the conversation, speaks volumes.

    • @gentgolden1970
      @gentgolden1970 Год назад

      It's speaks that we have been over feed this bs. I remember reading a news paper about what happened the night before and if I caught SC then that was the highlights. Social has ruined everything. Forced us to constantly live in the past. This is the real stunt to progression!

    • @carloantoniotubil2722
      @carloantoniotubil2722 Год назад

      @@gentgolden1970 whatever makes you sleep at night.

    • @gentgolden1970
      @gentgolden1970 Год назад

      @@carloantoniotubil2722 I get my 8 hours just fine. Out like a baby wit no old dried up I d o l s

    • @carloantoniotubil2722
      @carloantoniotubil2722 Год назад +1

      @@gentgolden1970 i guess you got used to the lies you put in your head. Lol the whole world knows who the GOAT is but hey, we all need our 8hrs. Good for you. Good job!

    • @gentgolden1970
      @gentgolden1970 Год назад

      @@carloantoniotubil2722 lol. My Goat does not play a game where the objective is to take a leather ball and put into a hole.

  • @gksatm1
    @gksatm1 Год назад +104

    Jordan went to play golf. Came back and did a three peat. 🐐

    • @SPARTAN-RESOLVE
      @SPARTAN-RESOLVE Год назад +6

      FACTS 💯💪🏆🐐🏆🐐🏆🐐🏆🐐🏆🐐🏆🐐

    • @letstalkwithpatrickpodcast
      @letstalkwithpatrickpodcast Год назад +25

      You mean baseball ⚾

    • @SPARTAN-RESOLVE
      @SPARTAN-RESOLVE Год назад +11

      @@letstalkwithpatrickpodcast lol We all know he was playing some golf too but yeah Baseball 🏆🐐😆

    • @214-v4g
      @214-v4g Год назад +3

      @@letstalkwithpatrickpodcast he did I’m sure. Dude was gambling degenerate.

    • @javiersanchez1661
      @javiersanchez1661 Год назад +13

      After losing to Orlando the same year he came back! All 🧢

  • @mura0
    @mura0 Год назад +26

    One thing I know, the record that will never be broken is the assists.

    • @wakoblank
      @wakoblank Год назад +4

      Never be broken? Let's look at total rebounds. It ain't gonna even get sniffed in our life time.

  • @lottoguy.4066
    @lottoguy.4066 Год назад +46

    Kareem Abdul Jabbar held the scoring record for 38 years and at 38 years old, on the 38th day of the year, Lebron James broke record with a 38-point performance and now has 38,388 points.
    This no accident. Alignment with the universe and the basketball gods.
    Long live the King

  • @offaperk5838
    @offaperk5838 Год назад +6

    bro sometimes Skip just be talking and not making sense😂

  • @nicolasfairweather2699
    @nicolasfairweather2699 Год назад +45

    “I love talking about lebron” we know skip 😭

    • @bamboosho0t
      @bamboosho0t Год назад

      Skip counts his bank account and says, _”I LOOOOOVE talking about LeBron!!”_

  • @jrad410
    @jrad410 Год назад +27

    Na, still go with MJ. Lot of volume of games for LBJ though it’s an amazing accomplishment.

  • @skipbayless4375
    @skipbayless4375 Год назад +16

    Skip is so based, Shannon out here emotional and screaming and Skip just cold blooded giving out facts

  • @Gildhattie
    @Gildhattie Год назад +3

    The GOAT conversation will always be a sure way to generate ratings and dialogue

  • @tito421788
    @tito421788 Год назад +54

    I LOVE THEM BOTH! THEY MAKE A GREAT TEAM!!!!!!!!!! I'M SO HAPPY FOR THEM!!

  • @BadWeatherfreak
    @BadWeatherfreak Год назад +133

    There is two sides of seeing things. Winning titles with 3 different coaches, players and team can somewhat proof you are great no matter the circumstances. In the other hand it can also proof that you aren't happy anywhere you go and always look for best opportunity to win specially looking for a stacked team.

    • @AdrianSimmonsJr.
      @AdrianSimmonsJr. Год назад +26

      I’d argue winning multiple championships with a single team through ups and downs proves greatness as well cause he had less control over the talent around him. Everytime Bron joined a team they sold their future to put him in the best position possible to win. It’s a lot easier to speak to 2 or 3 friends in free agency and meet up somewhere than getting owners to coordinate a trade. Not taking anything away from Bron but let’s not act like he was on those teams alone 😂😭

    • @phenomenal-fitness
      @phenomenal-fitness Год назад

      Exactly

    • @jayjohn223
      @jayjohn223 Год назад +29

      @@AdrianSimmonsJr. Jordan had one of the best sports coaches in HISTORY, one of the best rebounders in history in Dennis Rodman, the most efficient 3 point shooter in history in Steve Kerr, a hall of famer as a number 2 option in Scottie Pippen and much much more…so if you wanna talk about stacked teams the argument goes both ways

    • @dwightPhoenix
      @dwightPhoenix Год назад +6

      @@AdrianSimmonsJr. Naaah. It's easier to just stick with your team when you know u are good and keep winning. Imagine if lebron and Kryie stick together and there were no GSW. That's more than 3 rings for LeBron......

    • @samjeon3503
      @samjeon3503 Год назад +7

      winning on single team is way harder because you can't just reset because you either win now or build for future. Lebron left cavs to team up with prime dwade and cbosh. When they were aged and old, he left them and teamed up with young kyrie (1st overall pick) and Klove. Then he left again to team up with AD. It's so much easier to just reset and team up with another great talent than staying in one place and hope that things fall perfectly.

  • @crosskunx
    @crosskunx Год назад +17

    Incredible moment. Still can't believe I really got to see it live in the arena

    • @jonathanoloba7791
      @jonathanoloba7791 Год назад

      Must’ve been embarrassing to watch him lose

    • @lakeshowbron4747
      @lakeshowbron4747 Год назад

      ​@@jonathanoloba7791he wasn't talking about the outcome of the game

  • @GameTimeTay
    @GameTimeTay Год назад +8

    This reminds me of lunch tables sports debates in school cafeteria 🤣🤣🤣

  • @charlesduncanjr1066
    @charlesduncanjr1066 Год назад +1

    8:59 Bill Cartwright, B.J. Armstrong, John Paxton, Craig Hodges, Granville Waiters, Will Perdue, Horace Grant, Charles Oakley, Dave Corzine, pre championship (80’s) MJ took over games with mediocre at best players and he took over games with the best “flair”, “style” this leauge has ever seen (not debatable). Doug Collins as coach (No Center in the 80’s!!!! ) that’s why pre championship M.J.’s individual play is light years better than any version of any player ever to play the game. M.J. DOMINATED THIS LEAGUE INDIVIDUALLY (in the 80’s) with the least help and it was Biblical to watch. If you weren’t there you could never understand. SHANNON KNOW’S THE TRUTH!!

  • @Omegamedia313
    @Omegamedia313 Год назад +27

    Now Shannon's saying him choking doesn't matter a L is a L he's clowning for that 🤣🤣🤣

  • @dperfect28
    @dperfect28 Год назад +93

    Lets give Skip credit for not loosing his cool every time Shannon did😂😂 cause this debate could of gotten real real LOUD

    • @MM-oj2pf
      @MM-oj2pf Год назад +12

      Skip wasnt threatened. QUALITY > QUANTITY. Jordan accomplished more in 13 seasons than lebron has done in 20 seasons.

    • @CriusXI
      @CriusXI Год назад +8

      @@MM-oj2pf False, There were several instances where Jordan had a weaker conference than LeBron. He played in one of the weakest era’s in basketball. An expansion league era. An era where Jordan made the playoffs several times as a 32 win team. Whereas a 32 win team in todays era is below the 10th seed. And he wasn’t making just the 8th seed as a 32 win team, but also the 7th seed. 2017 New York Knicks won 31 games and finished 12th. MJ made the playoffs with losing record 3 consecutive seasons. In 5 of his 6 NBA finals from 1992 to 1998 he faced a team that had fewer Hall of Famers than his own Chicago Bulls team. LeBron has beaten way more hall of famers than Jordan ever did

    • @akeemtayron
      @akeemtayron Год назад +6

      @@CriusXI your using facts, and if they don't fit the narrative they are ignored

    • @dperfect28
      @dperfect28 Год назад +1

      @@Fist108 💯💯 soon as I pulled into work this morning they was already arguing 😂

    • @dperfect28
      @dperfect28 Год назад +3

      @@CriusXI Bruh we can’t say that cause the East was PG(pure garbage) for most of the time Bron was in it…50 win teams in the West wasn’t making the playoffs some times

  • @tonytslawncareoffloridal.l8959
    @tonytslawncareoffloridal.l8959 Год назад +41

    Can't we all just appreciate what we are witnessing without the goat conversation

    • @williamburney234
      @williamburney234 Год назад +4

      As long as the Bronsexuals admit that Jordan is the GOAT then we all can just appreciate that Lebron is ok MT. Rushmore

    • @hollowfist9072
      @hollowfist9072 Год назад +1

      Nope! Lmao

  • @ChuckaVsTheWorld
    @ChuckaVsTheWorld Год назад +2

    I can't stress enough how grateful I am 4 Shannon Sharpe
    Just finished the whole BS w/ Ja & the grizzlies over the weeks
    & This gent is a treasure
    Honest & w/as lil bias (except about Lebron)
    But his acknowledgement & accountability
    As well as the genuine sincerity in his apology
    Should not b easily shrugged off
    With the amount of clips made 4rm the out burst
    I wish folk would keep that energy when someone tries 2 write their wrongs
    UNC...
    U R A GOAT... THANK U

  • @louis68021
    @louis68021 Год назад +30

    They both great this conversation will never end

    • @tucko11
      @tucko11 Год назад +4

      For me the goat debate is basically a argument between generations? How do you judge a goat? By championships one? Or by stats numbers? That is the debate I think. Regarding Jordan Vs Bron

    • @dc4690
      @dc4690 Год назад +2

      But it should end...it should’ve never started.
      Per game all time at his position MJ is 1st pts,1st blk,2nd stl,3rd reb & 5th in ast.That’s top 5 in every category,top 3 in 4 outta 5 categories.He’s the only player in nba history to accomplish that.
      Per game all time at his position Lebron is 1st ast,2nd pts,9th stl,13th reb & 17th in blk.
      That’s top 5 in two categories,top 3 in two categories.Great but not on MJ’s level clearly.Especially his defensive and rebounding numbers.The only category Lebron better’s MJ relative to their position is assist.We all already knew/know that because that is the ONLY thing Lebron has ever ‘had on MJ’.
      MJ is #1 all-time in P.E.R. in both regular season and playoffs.
      He’s #1 all-time in win shares per game in both regular season and playoffs.
      He’s #1 all-time in BPM in both regular season and playoffs.
      He’s #1 all-time in VORP per game in both regular season and playoffs.
      He has the most scoring titles all-time.
      He made the most all-def 1st teams all-time.
      He lead the league in scoring and made all-def 1st team at the same time 9 times.
      Lebron,Kareem,Wilt,Russell,Bird,Magic,Kobe,Hakeem,Shaq,Steph,Kd,Giannis,Jokic combined never did it once.Not one time.
      MJ has the most trophies all-time with 22 in 1,072 games.
      For context Bill Russell and his 11 championships is 2nd all-time with 17 trophies in 963 games.
      Lebron is 3rd all-time with 16 in 1,407 games so far.
      Kareem is 4th all-time with 15 trophies in 1,560 games.
      There is no debate...except for the fake one nick wright and shannon sharpe have been pushing.
      Acknowledge reality.

    • @dc4690
      @dc4690 Год назад

      That’s all the stuff they won’t tell you in their ‘debates’...
      All that info is why no matter how much they lie and tell partial truths and are hypocrites on anything MJ,still every time they poll the people it comes back 75-80% for MJ...We all know this stuff.Lebron fans refuse to do their homework and learn it as well.
      All that info is why MJ fans are the way they are.Not saying that justifies the jackasses out there,but this is why you can’t tell an MJ fan anything.
      If the tv clowns told the damn truth their would’ve never been a debate about who the goat is.
      Lebron can’t even comprehend playing at the level MJ did...As you can see,nobody could.
      He’s the goat...and it’s not close or an opinion...obviously.

    • @uhidktbh
      @uhidktbh Год назад

      @@dc4690your glazing rn bro chill tf out 💀

    • @dc4690
      @dc4690 Год назад

      Shannon going crazy about career FG percentages like he doesn’t already know it doesn’t determine who’s the better shooter/scorer.
      If it does then MJ’s a better shooter than Steph because he has a higher career fg%,lmao.
      How bout NO...And y’all know who I’m a fan of! But that’d be just ridiculous to think that.
      And MJ’s is 2+ % points higher than stephs,Lebron’s is only 0.7 higher than MJ’s and his 3-point fg% is 1.7 higher and yet shannon’s screaming for that to be acknowledged like it’s some point for his argument...🤦🏾‍♂️Wow.Either way he’s exposing himself.
      The he’s going on about Phil Jackson.Phil hadn’t even won a game yet let alone a championship when he became coach of the Bulls.
      He *became* the Phil Jackson👀 everyone know’s now by coaching prime MJ,Shaq & Kobe.He didn’t show up to Chicago like that,lol...And of course Shannon knows this as well,but he wants y’all to be like “👀oh see that’s not fair,Lebron didn’t have that kind of coach” or whatever type of argument like that.
      He uses the younger gens ignorance about MJ to tell lies and be a hypocrite about his career because he’s mad at him personally.
      Him and nick wright both know all the facts I posted about MJ...but when have you ever heard either of em mention any of it?
      All they say is the “6-0 finals...assassin/killer” shtick?
      They are professional emotionally animated hypocrite liar clowns (on anything MJ).

  • @kaceyrodriguez3053
    @kaceyrodriguez3053 Год назад +58

    Let's not forget LeBron became playoffs all time leading scorer in his early 30s, same for most 1st all nba teams in history...

    • @sharonbrent6919
      @sharonbrent6919 Год назад +2

      JORDAN GOT THE PLAYOFF LEADING SCORE

    • @Shaolin91z
      @Shaolin91z Год назад +6

      How many first all defensive teams. Lol 😂. Jordan was dominant on both ends. That's why he's the 🐐. LeBron had the scoring record...but he's still chasing mj

    • @thesecond1a
      @thesecond1a Год назад +3

      @@Shaolin91zMJ could never carry teams, nor has he ever beat dynasties full power

    • @figo007tv
      @figo007tv Год назад +3

      @@thesecond1a go to sleep dawg

    • @patoman9147
      @patoman9147 Год назад +1

      @@Shaolin91z yep. Kobe also has 9 first team all nba defensive team selections as well (kobe , jordan, garnett, gary payton sr.)

  • @jig2jig
    @jig2jig Год назад +1

    I like the part at the end bc they aren't screaming at each other, just laughing and having a normal conversation about basketball

  • @ChristopherX30
    @ChristopherX30 Год назад +21

    Shannon made a great point about Skip giving Tom Brady credit for coming back from 28-3 down, but not giving LBJ the same credit for leading the comeback against San Antonio in the 2013 NBA Finals.

    • @JC-db7so
      @JC-db7so Год назад +12

      You mean the Ray Allen miracle shot? What did the spurs do to the heat the very next year.

    • @eastgate6134
      @eastgate6134 Год назад +3

      Man Tom Brady 2008 choke in the super bowl is never discussed

    • @croixR
      @croixR Год назад

      Yup

    • @jamesynfg
      @jamesynfg Год назад +5

      @@JC-db7so why do y’all discredit Bron for having teammates in a team game? And you do realize that the next year Bron averaged 28ppg, while Wade and Bosh combined for an average of 29ppg? He was half of the production from the “Big 3” while being guarded by Kawhi, but somehow that’s always ignored

    • @matrixseven8528
      @matrixseven8528 Год назад +2

      @@jamesynfgTeammates ?
      Fool those was SuperTeams
      Dwayne Wade
      Chris Bosh
      Ray Allen

  • @FamTime23
    @FamTime23 Год назад +23

    Everyone has an opinion. I just hope no one will miss out or has missed out on the greatness both players has displayed on the court due to the media creating topics for their views and has made people pick sides. Because what comes with picking sides is hating and downplaying the other person greatness. I love them both.

    • @thes7519
      @thes7519 Год назад +1

      people can act like they hate lebron, people can really have a deep hatred for lebron, but best believe they was all tuned in😂just how it is

    • @thes7519
      @thes7519 Год назад +1

      @Matthew Jordan “we were tuned in”

    • @nico2times
      @nico2times Год назад

      @Matthew Jordan praying on another man's downfall. Shameful lmao

  • @konokhda
    @konokhda Год назад +28

    I love it how skip always changes topics when he loses

    • @bzso9603
      @bzso9603 Год назад +11

      Because he’s NOT losing, and Shannon is just yelling to make his point sound right. Everything that Skip is saying is factual. MJ has done a lot more than Lebron in a lot less time. The only reason Lebron even has the all time points leader title is because Jordan retired twice while still in his prime. Those 10 scoring titles over the course of 13 yrs (really 11 full yrs) with the Bulls is a lot more impressive.

    • @treybronston1942
      @treybronston1942 Год назад +1

      @@bzso9603 he is losing did u not hear the conversation? How can u still think mj better 😂😂

    • @treybronston1942
      @treybronston1942 Год назад +3

      @@bzso9603 when lebron did what he did in 2016 against a 73-9 team (which Jordan never faced a team anywhere as good as that) he was cemented as the goat

    • @carediojackson6553
      @carediojackson6553 Год назад +1

      @Trey Bronston the talent pool was much more spread out in The jordan Era. Outside of great franchises like the Celtics or Lakers. And to be fair for 6 years the bulls were absolute Juggernauts

    • @bzso9603
      @bzso9603 Год назад +6

      @@treybronston1942 That’s hilarious… he never faced a team like that because he was that team! Btw, the Warriors losing those finals is more of a testament to how bad they melted down. The 96 Bulls would never.

  • @adeunadeniyi357
    @adeunadeniyi357 Год назад +9

    Chicago Bulls Jordan had such a mystic aura

  • @dbrav727
    @dbrav727 Год назад +16

    I would love to see a debate on what should be the definitive criteria to measure greatness. If we can agree on that maybe the GOAT conversation would be less subjective

    • @cornpopsrazor5375
      @cornpopsrazor5375 Год назад +2

      One is that you have to be an all time great on both ends of the floor.....so that rules out a lot of people.

    • @milly.adam3196
      @milly.adam3196 Год назад +1

      @@cornpopsrazor5375 thats not a good criteria. If you have a player averaging wilt chamberlain like numbers in todays NBA but doesn't play defense, he would still be the goat

    • @chestercastaneda4920
      @chestercastaneda4920 Год назад +2

      The thing about GOAT conversations is that it's always going to be subjective and depends on what you value more.

  • @icetray2727
    @icetray2727 Год назад +83

    In terms of his longevity, he is the GOAT.

    • @Invictus-Solaris
      @Invictus-Solaris Год назад +24

      Agreed. Jordan’s prime/peak still eclipses LeBron’s. Longevity-wise, LeBron obviously has him beat.

    • @domagojhrgovic7419
      @domagojhrgovic7419 Год назад +27

      He is playing in a soft era, it's not an objective comparison. He also plays no defense.

    • @dwadeisthegoat2020
      @dwadeisthegoat2020 Год назад +9

      @@domagojhrgovic7419 toughness doesn't mean anything cuz most of the so called tough players lack skill for example a Charles Oakley Bill Lambeer is not stopping Giannis Lebron Embiid etc. this is the most skilled era all the top 5 scorers right now are averaging over 30 and it's a faster pace game

    • @pokenoy4559
      @pokenoy4559 Год назад

      @@domagojhrgovic7419 hard foul = hard era LMFAO in my place if you foul hard ITS BECAUSE YOU SUCK AT PLAYING BASKETBALL this era not only have unicorns never seen before like giannis steph durant and jokic but overall more taller faster athletic and more skilled

    • @chadbutler8634
      @chadbutler8634 Год назад +1

      @@dwadeisthegoat2020 I’ll take Kenyon Martin and wilt vs Greek and Joel

  • @marquaviouswebb6430
    @marquaviouswebb6430 Год назад +3

    How this man gone say “you can throw all the stats out” 😂😂 wym Skip 😂😂

  • @Dec4AllTimeAlways
    @Dec4AllTimeAlways Год назад +7

    None of this GOAT arguments matters. It's a marketing label. Everyone can be labeled GOAT these days. Instead of greatest of all-time, it's like saying , you're awesome! You rock!

  • @mrtiggar
    @mrtiggar Год назад +47

    Sharp taking it personal because Skip doesn't agree

    • @cldaniels7632
      @cldaniels7632 Год назад +18

      Nah, he's just exposing the hypocrisy of Skip's take, which is what annoys him. Now SKIP def takes it personally when anyone outside of Jordan is mentioned as the G.O.A.T. in any category outside of 3-point shooting(Curry).

    • @itsonly1eEe
      @itsonly1eEe Год назад +5

      @@cldaniels7632 Nah, that man is in his feelings 😂 a lil to emotional about this conversation every time

    • @wentwonn1668
      @wentwonn1668 Год назад +5

      @@itsonly1eEe fam if u dont see the hypocrisy and biased in skips take ur jus delusional 😂who tf compares free throw percentage? Keep going dont stop when jordan has a short coming then make excuses “oh they didnt shoot the 3” 😂

    • @wentwonn1668
      @wentwonn1668 Год назад +2

      @@itsonly1eEe literally every time jordan has a short coming theres an excuse but for lebron it’s because hes jus trash or not great😂

    • @jay9Five
      @jay9Five Год назад +4

      @@itsonly1eEe bro skip sound like a teenager who don’t kno sports lol u can’t be agreeing with his nonsense

  • @qwertyllama9441
    @qwertyllama9441 Год назад +39

    Shannon: “Its only Ws or Ls on my menu!”
    Skip brings up 2009 vs Magic
    Shannon: “LeBron averaged 38 8 and 8 😤”

    • @mrpaiute9013
      @mrpaiute9013 Год назад +4

      .... and he lost

    • @Skiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
      @Skiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii Год назад +4

      Ummmmm how many greats lost, stop it jordan lost for 7 years straight averaging the most pts so stop it

    • @brandonman1315
      @brandonman1315 Год назад +2

      @@mrpaiute9013 Did Jordan get wrecked by Shaq and Penny? Yes, he did.

    • @bradcornell6329
      @bradcornell6329 Год назад +2

      Wrecked? He unretired late in the season. Didn’t have his legs and still got them to the eastern championship. Next year can back and asserted his dominance. Shaq has always stated Jordan is the best. Does that sound like a guy who wrecked Jordan.

    • @thegirafflewaffle1888
      @thegirafflewaffle1888 Год назад

      @@bradcornell6329 to be fair shaq also state all the time that he’s the only man to stop Jordan in the playoffs in the 90s

  • @FinancesOnBitcoin
    @FinancesOnBitcoin Год назад +9

    Everytime Skip opens his mouth his makes LeBrons case for him 😂😂

  • @mikelambo7133
    @mikelambo7133 Год назад +26

    “ I was there game 7 when he played against Reggie “ skip fried 😂😂

  • @wiseman4953
    @wiseman4953 Год назад +8

    It is more than just stats. When you look at great boxers that go undefeated a long time. People remember how they performed when going against the best of the best, not their record or number of jabs. Dominance.

  • @YFGMBlogTv
    @YFGMBlogTv Год назад +14

    Jordan went to college do people forget and Jordan with wizards was still balling the man was in the mvp talks before the knee injury he had some great games but lbj is a great

    • @gentgolden1970
      @gentgolden1970 Год назад +1

      Because he couldn't come out of H.S. how is that Lebron's fault

    • @TheOdin822
      @TheOdin822 Год назад +2

      This isnt the win you think it is? Jordan wasnt good enough to play in the NBA at 18... Lebron was. How is that an argument to argue for Jordan?

    • @Triigga86
      @Triigga86 Год назад

      @@TheOdin822 first of all you couldn’t go to the nba out of college back then

    • @gentgolden1970
      @gentgolden1970 Год назад

      @@Triigga86 he did 3years at UNC. How many years did magic play in college. Truth is hard to accept, he wasn't good enough. He wasn't even starting in H.S. til late.

    • @colonless7512
      @colonless7512 Год назад +1

      Let’s say Lebron goes to college 3 years, what is he gonna learn under a coach that he needed? The dude would have won 3 straight national championships off raw talent alone. He averaged 20 points a game as a rookie out of HS. Imagine him playing against college players. It’s over. Jordan needed every year he got in college cause he just wasn’t that good and needed a coach to get him there. Lebron needed a coach like Phil in his career and he would have won a title much earlier than he did. Luckily Wade came along to teach him how to win.

  • @johngraham1776
    @johngraham1776 Год назад +10

    It's not that Jordan won the 10 scoring titles. It's that he lead the league in scoring every year he won a championship. And sometimes also lead the league in steals. And was on the all-defensive teams. While winning titles. If Jordan was scoring a lot and losing earlier in his career, the point is this: He took a step back from scoring (a bit) to integrate his teammates in the triangle... because he knew that in order to separate himself from Magic and Bird, he needed to win championships. LeBron going after the all-time records now - and emphasizing the longevity benchmarks - when the Lakers are losing, is like Jordan's career going backwards.

    • @at2130
      @at2130 Год назад

      Someone who has a brain

    • @leaving10pins44
      @leaving10pins44 Год назад +1

      he’s still averaging 30 giving the lakers help at 40 years old. Jordan on the wizards was no where near as valuable as lebron is today

    • @at2130
      @at2130 Год назад

      @@leaving10pins44
      He actually had a bigger impact on the wizards than lebron is having on LA. Empty stats.

    • @leaving10pins44
      @leaving10pins44 Год назад +1

      @@at2130 Jordan averaged 21 5 and for 4 and never went to the playoffs. Lebron has averaged 27 8 and 8 while also making it to the playoffs. How was Jordan more impactful

    • @at2130
      @at2130 Год назад

      @@leaving10pins44
      Lakers been trash 4 of 5 season with Bron with exception being bubble title. Teams score more now per game than 20 years ago do to rule changes so his numbers are higher but still doesn't effect winning. AD won them that title he makes LA go not lebron.
      Jordan completely turned Washington around and headed to playoffs before knee injury and was averaging 25/5/5 same as TMAC. Jordan didn't have near what Bron does with LA.

  • @aLLeY_hOOpZ
    @aLLeY_hOOpZ Год назад +23

    I don’t think Shannon will be able to withstand this level of annoyance much longer

    • @RB-.-
      @RB-.- Год назад +18

      He’s trying to argue Lebron over Jordan lol he’s the annoying one here. No logic in that argument.

    • @jmaxftw
      @jmaxftw Год назад +6

      @@RB-.- there’s definitely logic, it’s just that everyone has a different opinion

    • @aLLeY_hOOpZ
      @aLLeY_hOOpZ Год назад

      @@RB-.- you must be a Skip bot 😂

  • @TL2005
    @TL2005 Год назад +21

    When jordan took time off to play baseball people forget to mention that his father had just passed away. He went to baseball to honor his dad as that was their favorite sport practicing together. Don't like that narrative he quit.

    • @gentgolden1970
      @gentgolden1970 Год назад

      Um mentally weak. Andy Reid son committed suicide still coached

    • @TL2005
      @TL2005 Год назад +1

      @gentgolden1970 your comment is mentally weak. Your comparing two completely different situations. MJ quit what? Winning championships. He did it for his dad and went to another sport. He didn't stop playing sports all togehter.

    • @colonless7512
      @colonless7512 Год назад +4

      MJ was going to get suspended for gambling issues. He didn’t “take off time”. That was a “resign or you’ll get fired” situation to save face for the league.

    • @gentgolden1970
      @gentgolden1970 Год назад

      @@TL2005 strong jaws for MJ lol. Plus never said he quit you did. But good to see you didn't quit slurp slurp

    • @brandonman1315
      @brandonman1315 Год назад +3

      @@TL2005 Your argument is even weaker. Jordan quit, twice. He was forced out of the NBA for his gambling addiction, and the league bought the story and held it until he retired. Jordan was literally protected by the NBA both on the court, and off. Foh.

  • @aromero9243
    @aromero9243 Год назад +11

    Goats aren't just based on stats. They are also based on the content of their character in the field or court they play on.

    • @mitchgetrich
      @mitchgetrich Год назад +1

      💯💯💯

    • @mudguts6785
      @mudguts6785 Год назад

      😂😂🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️The goat has nothing to do with any player on how they are off the court.Please get your Woke rubbish out of here.

  • @youngML6
    @youngML6 Год назад +22

    Skip hitting Shannon where it hurts and you can tell how animated and emotional he getting

    • @manfromthepast
      @manfromthepast Год назад +1

      😂🤣 Yes!

    • @SuperSoNicX2000x
      @SuperSoNicX2000x Год назад +1

      That idc hurts him the most🤣5:40

    • @teamgrinders9152
      @teamgrinders9152 Год назад +2

      Skip made no good points lol. He just said stats don’t matter if stats don’t matter why does games get played? Everytime lebron passes someone or does something mj couldn’t dream of it doesn’t matter anymore y’all sad 😂

    • @go_423
      @go_423 Год назад +1

      The funny thing is skip’s argument is basic and repetitive and he’s still cooking Shannon, what frustrates me is he never exposes the holes in Shannon’s arguments. Like Shannon brought up FG%, skip could’ve brought up effective FG% & true shooting % where Jordan beats Lebron.😂
      And he could’ve brought up the fact that Jordan 3 point shooting % is average for his era while lebron’s 3 point % is below average for his era🤦🏽‍♂️.

    • @doogiebear139
      @doogiebear139 Год назад

      @Team Grinders after having the opportunity watching so many greats and comparing Jordan to LeBron its not even close. MJ was far superior

  • @myster_gee5562
    @myster_gee5562 Год назад +64

    I wish Skip could bring up MJ’s videos about not wanting to shoot 3’s because he felt it would take away from his game which was to attack. Also the other video where Jordan said the all time scoring title don’t mean anything, because if it did that he wouldn’t have retired twice. Championships over individual accolades

    • @michaelabouabdallah5201
      @michaelabouabdallah5201 Год назад +4

      They have to keep this silly debate for the sake of the poor king 🤣🤣

    • @arsenioseslpodcast3143
      @arsenioseslpodcast3143 Год назад +18

      Remember, Jordan played in the Illegal Defense era, too, so basically he was NEVER TRAPPED in certain parts of the court. So, him versus a plumber 1 on 1 = easy buckets.

    • @jheiny1231
      @jheiny1231 Год назад +5

      @@arsenioseslpodcast3143 boy don't come over here using jj Reddick words.

    • @hectorcervantes4025
      @hectorcervantes4025 Год назад +1

      @@arsenioseslpodcast3143plumbers? Look at who LeBron broke the record against, a plumber.

    • @vongogh4247
      @vongogh4247 Год назад +13

      @@arsenioseslpodcast3143 I just recently rewatched The Last Dance doc, and I'm amazed at the final scores to all those games. 79-71 , 83-80, etc. Compared to the scores nowadays of 150-138, etc. The game was different back then, there's literally twice the stats to put up now. Jordan played in eras of max physical play style, in times when hand checking was still allowed. Just life the NFL, the NBA has evolved into more points, more stats, and a more pleasurable viewing experience for the casual fan. Each era is different.

  • @justicebediako6181
    @justicebediako6181 Год назад +6

    My goodness Skip has been waiting for this day

  • @whenisdinner2137
    @whenisdinner2137 Год назад +3

    In 1991 Magic Johnson was in his prime. He was 32. He was like top 2 in MVP voting...

    • @scoop2448
      @scoop2448 Год назад +1

      yep and he avged 12.5 apg in reg season and finals. no one has done that in finals since.

    • @cyberbron2024
      @cyberbron2024 9 месяцев назад +1

      True but that lakers team wasn’t the same. No Kareem. Jordan ducked Kareem. Didn’t want any other of that real smoke from the real goat Kareem Abdul jabbar.

    • @whenisdinner2137
      @whenisdinner2137 9 месяцев назад +1

      @cyberbron2077 Not saying they were the same as when they had Kareem, but they still had 5 all-star caliber players. People need to stop acting like the 91 Lakers were bums. The 91 bulls were simply one of the greatest teams of all time

    • @cyberbron2024
      @cyberbron2024 9 месяцев назад +1

      @@whenisdinner2137 they weren’t bums, they just weren’t as great as the bulls. With Kareem they sweep the bulls.

  • @misurac3
    @misurac3 Год назад +15

    I love both these guys. This was a great debate. Shannon has excellent energy and he makes good points for Lebron. He really stands up for him. He makes a great case for his friend. And I love Skip's preparation for this show. He really had his comments lined up for Jordan. Ultimately, Skip's right - Jordan was the best. But Skip also has to admit, Lebron did it longer than anybody else.

    • @coach_zachw
      @coach_zachw Год назад +1

      GOAT 🐐 6’9 250 played against way better skilled players, 4th in assists all time, & moves like Kobe & MJ who were 6’6 200lbs… LEBRON NEVER HAD A COACH LIKE MIKE or KOBE… no Phil no chip…. Lebron won in 3 different locations. MJ not winning no chip in Cleveland… Lebron just too big for MJ in a one on one both in their prime…end of discussion

    • @BennVai
      @BennVai Год назад

      Longer than anyonelse because he's built for Jordan's era but played in a soft era haha. Him and Giannis are just freakish.

    • @Ghyll
      @Ghyll Год назад

      @@coach_zachw Forgot to mention Lebron leaves the team once it's no longer working and creates another superteam.

    • @310chris18
      @310chris18 Год назад

      Taking lebron 20 year to win 4 🤣🤣 took jordan less then 15 years to win 6 jordan goat

  • @myles-1678
    @myles-1678 Год назад +16

    Phil is looked at as a great coach but never coached a bad team. People think bellicheck is a great coach and poppvich and look at what they do without any stars. That’s not fair Jordan made him look good and use that against him.

    • @Trevonchiii
      @Trevonchiii Год назад +2

      What coach had a bad team and won?

    • @wordlife1997
      @wordlife1997 Год назад

      @@Trevonchiii exactly like wtf?

  • @swat686
    @swat686 Год назад +29

    NBA scoring is way different every decade, now every year. Kareem is a GOAT during his time and still is. MJ evolve the game took it to a whole new level he’s a GOAT. Kobe (my favorite player) is a GOAT because he was so dedicated to the game and mastered it with hard work. LBJ is the only player I ever seen who is able to play all 5 positions on the court and still dominate (not his fan, but I respect his game). Every era has its GOAT it’s about who u like more or grow up watching.

    • @I_am_show
      @I_am_show Год назад +4

      So you won't say lebron is a goat in his era? LOL you don't have to say "not his fan but i respect his game". Backhand compliments like your boy skip.

    • @StopLyinBihh
      @StopLyinBihh Год назад +1

      Anything listed without numeric evidence is merely an opinion.

    • @swat686
      @swat686 Год назад +1

      @@I_am_show like Skip naw never that😂😂. He is a GOAT in my eyes because I haven’t seen no other player in history take no names to the finals. Through out the beginning of his career he dominated and was going to the finals. He would lose but, right then and there you could tell add some other other great players around him and it’s over with.

    • @swat686
      @swat686 Год назад

      @@StopLyinBihh I can go numbers. What numbers do you want to talk about?

    • @marioflamez3677
      @marioflamez3677 Год назад +1

      N Curry after LBJ

  • @KJRawX
    @KJRawX Год назад +1

    They're both wrong! Michael Jordan only retired in 1993 because his father was murdered. He was so down that he lost his desire to play basketball. So he tried to fulfill his fathers dream of playing pro baseball. Quitting usually refers to not being able to win and then quitting. It's not quitting after winning a three-peat.

  • @TyTheGreat
    @TyTheGreat Год назад +18

    As someone that is amongst the greats, I can honestly say Jordan will always be the GOAT

  • @bsny0390
    @bsny0390 Год назад +36

    Nobody mentions the fact that Kareem and Jordan lost 3 years because they had to go to college 3 years.

    • @gentgolden1970
      @gentgolden1970 Год назад +6

      Kareem still played til 42-43. Kobe came out of h.s. how do you feel about that...he played just about the same amount of seasons

    • @AdrianSimmonsJr.
      @AdrianSimmonsJr. Год назад

      @@gentgolden1970 Kobe tore his Achilles at the end of his career

    • @themasterseye
      @themasterseye Год назад +1

      I have never understood this argument, 3 years of college isnt time "lost" or "wasted"

    • @tv-ub6cf
      @tv-ub6cf Год назад +3

      Mike had to he was a dumb in high school. Lebron was a 3x state champ

    • @colonless7512
      @colonless7512 Год назад +4

      Lebron had to go up against grown men at 18. It’s a wash to me. He never had a coach that gave him the skills like MJ had at college. Lebrons talents would have been wasted in college regardless.
      Lebron would haven’t benefited from coaching in college because his raw talent would have led multiple national championships regardless. MJ needed to grow in college because he wasn’t as good as Lebron was out of high school.

  • @gameplayer1980
    @gameplayer1980 Год назад +19

    Kareem is one of the most graceful people ever. Last night showed it. Came off incredibly classy.

    • @cornpopsrazor5375
      @cornpopsrazor5375 Год назад +1

      Kareem and MJ laughing....6 ring club.....Lebron and Aunty Shay Shay can't get in.

  • @narcdestroyer
    @narcdestroyer Год назад +2

    Mike never beat BIRD, PERIOD, never BEAT BIRD in a playoff series

  • @lukelawhorn350
    @lukelawhorn350 Год назад +6

    Skip been brewing for this one

  • @jameshicks5333
    @jameshicks5333 Год назад +9

    Mikes Bulls were always the favorite because of Mike...

    • @chrisware4687
      @chrisware4687 Год назад +3

      So we gonna act like 84-90 didn't happen? When he went 0-6 in the playoffs to bird, magic, and kareem

    • @J.Edwards
      @J.Edwards Год назад

      @@chrisware4687 as a matter of fact
      Jordan 6-15
      Lebron 4-20

  • @nmichaelmurphy
    @nmichaelmurphy Год назад +34

    Michael Jordan is the GOAT. That's it. Congrats to LeBron on getting the scoring record.

    • @javathehut2700
      @javathehut2700 Год назад

      Lebron James is the GOAT. That’s it. Congrats to Jordan for winning 10 scoring titles after leading the league in fga every year

    • @nmichaelmurphy
      @nmichaelmurphy Год назад

      @javathehut2700 lolololol it gets funnier every time I hear it.

  • @nickm2334
    @nickm2334 Год назад +5

    13:25 he was always the favorite because him being on the Bulls made them the favorites

    • @da2552
      @da2552 Год назад

      Right they never faced the best team in the finals, because they had jordan and that made them the best

  • @boblevieux
    @boblevieux Год назад +12

    Many players said, if MJ played this era, he would have averaged 40 per game easily.

  • @kayasempire
    @kayasempire Год назад +30

    So Kareem had the record for 30 years and no one said he’s the GOat 🐐 this record means it’s coo

    • @balamkinich7968
      @balamkinich7968 Год назад +2

      That's not true. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar's resume will never be replicated. He was Called the GOAT well before he retired by majority of the Sports world. He broke the record YEARS before he stopped playing too.

    • @ericthomas917
      @ericthomas917 Год назад

      @@balamkinich7968 he was the goat before MJ suprassed him

    • @mj23thel.a.goatdemontime67
      @mj23thel.a.goatdemontime67 Год назад +1

      @MJ23 JORDAN is the GOAT
      ..PERIOD 🐏🐏🐏

    • @balamkinich7968
      @balamkinich7968 Год назад

      @@ericthomas917 that's what I'm saying to OP

    • @runitback2back
      @runitback2back Год назад

      @@balamkinich7968 lol nah Jordan was and Is!

  • @jeremyellismusic
    @jeremyellismusic Год назад +1

    The funny thing about the Jordan Rules created by my Pistons, is those hard fouls wouldn't knock LeBron down the same way the knocked Jordan, even after he got some muscle. LeBron is just different.

  • @ATLfan
    @ATLfan Год назад +4

    Damn Shannon calm down!! He has great points vs Skip but Skip has a way of bringing up certain things to get Shannon excited lol. This is funny.

  • @notoriouslt9975
    @notoriouslt9975 Год назад +10

    shannon even admits in the beggining jordan has the higher “apex”

    • @j_c_d_b
      @j_c_d_b Год назад +1

      What does apex mean

    • @thereal26marko
      @thereal26marko Год назад +1

      @@j_c_d_b high of their careers

    • @unc54
      @unc54 Год назад +1

      @@j_c_d_b peak

    • @j_c_d_b
      @j_c_d_b Год назад

      @@thereal26marko ohh ok then yeah

    • @URMOMMA346
      @URMOMMA346 Год назад

      Shaq had a higher Apex than jordan as well yet nobody calls him the goat 🤣

  • @cyclemiguel
    @cyclemiguel Год назад +12

    Obviously lebrons 3 teams and system didn't work well enough. He lost 60% of his trips to the finals.

    • @hollowfist9072
      @hollowfist9072 Год назад +2

      The team lost not just him. 1 man can't score 100 hundreds points

    • @Ghyll
      @Ghyll Год назад

      @@hollowfist9072 blame lebron james system. Where everything centers around him with little ball movement. Players get less touches and get cold.

    • @Shiljamannn
      @Shiljamannn Год назад +1

      @@hollowfist9072 2011 and 2014 LeBron should've won if you want to consider him GOAT over MJ...