It’s crazy how folks forget how outrageous Lebron was at 25. If they go pull up those games.. they’ll see Bron hitting 35ft 3 pointers, doing sideways fades, step back 3’s, full speed spin move dunks, parachute fade aways, etc. He WAS NOT run and dunk man like Giannis. People need to get that narrative tf outa here.
@@chay770 Luka can also shoot his team out the game when his shot isn't falling, he whines when he doesn't get every call, and he's lazy on defense so what is his go to when his jumper ain't falling? He don't trash talk when they losing though lol.
@@creshondasmith4448 when his shot isn’t falling he drops a trip double with 12+ assists and I assume you have no ball knowledge because of that last part as the suns series should’ve cleared Luka of all frontrunner accusations the man is a dog
Actin like Luka didn’t just get robbed from MVP this year. Yall the same oldheads who love kobe and shaq now talkin bout some “mvp” as if that ain’t no media agenda pushing award 😂
@@AlphaAbyss_ I feel you but my point is it would be Easy for LeBron to dominate Luka and overall he a better player hell Luka might be better offensively but overall no defense matters a lot to me which is why I’m thinking Boston in 5-6
@@Tonyoung55 yeah Lebron is definitely a more rounder player in terms of both sides of the court but players like Luka and jokic embarrassed Rudy who is a better defender than LeBron weather or not the Mavs or the Celtics win im not sure but Lukas defence in this playoff run has been far better
@@AlphaAbyss_ Boston gonna hunt Luka and he will not try to hide is what I’m thinking but we will see I don’t see Luka’s defense in the playoffs being any different he not guarding anybody of note against Boston you can’t hide so I’m looking forward to seeing this
Funny thing is the dudes who saying he aint skilled cant beat him at the game of basketball because of how much more skilled at the game he is more than them.
They cap on Bron just running through the Pistons, Lebron was being guarded by Billups, then Prince, and he was doing step backs, fadeaways, behind the back dribble then pulling up for a 3, his athleticism just overshadows that.
And shot 3-18 in the close out game while boogie Gibson dropped 31 points. In fact lebron only played well 2 games of that series that y’all hype up so much
@@LeetraviusMcKay-q6m Lebron had 20 point 14 rebs, and 8 assist in that close out, just say you don’t know any better. Skip over that fact huh, but 🤫 right?
Kenyon isnt trippin. Lebron definitely has a DNA advantage since birth. He also still said Lebron was better at age 25.. so what is he trippin about? Luka definitely has a more polished skill set at that age (footwork, dribbling, shooting, shot creating, floaters etc.)
@merv3930 He is tripping. Saying running and jumping aren't skills is tripping. Just because someone else can have better genetics which makes them better at them than other people doesn't mean it isn't a skill. Your DNA plays a part in everything we do, so if being born with genetics that makes us better a certain things disqualifies it from being a skill then nothing is a skill.
These dudes think a gift is not a skill. Their narrative is just narrow. To their narrative Luka's footwork should also be a gift. That footwork doesn't even stay for 10 years of use. All the athletes expires and deplete through time. It's not like Lebron is just standing around and does nothing to have this skill. He worked hard for it to maintain as much of it at this stage. He even adjusted to what was left of his skills.
@@tonyfortune346 You’re just proving what Kenyon is saying. Yes it is a skill to do certain things with those gifts but some people have higher ceilings. No matter how hard Luka trains to jump higher, he will never be able to jump higher than Lebron if Lebron trained at the same level.
Gifts are physical attributes not skills. Skills can be trained. Lebron can train to shoot as efficient as Luka but Luka can’t train to be 6’9 with a 7’0 wing span.
@@bryanfox6726 because fans are 🤡’s it isn’t a comparison! Lebron was way better than Luka at 25. This is the weakest gen of basketball when it comes to defense. But y’all want to crown him better than lebron who had 2mvps and 2 def player awards when def was still being played !
Bron was 27 when JJ barea cooked him and the Mavs let him brick wide open Jumpers and was losing to Dwight Howard in a weak East at 25. The West has been Tougher Lukas entire career and this is his 2nd conf fon trip. Luka better Stop the bronsense.
LOL. It's only going to get worse for Lebron. Wait until he's been out the league for 20 years like MJ and an entire generation has never seen him play. All types of dudes will be considered better than him.
😂 Wemby dribbles better than Giannis, you think Wemby could get 30 a game just running by people and dunking? Gtfo 😂 Giannis is taller, stronger, and faster than everyone and people don’t want to get run over so he scores 30. You thought they call him Freak because of his dribbling skills? 😂 KD dribbles better than Gianni, can slenderman put up 30 a game by running by people and dunking? There’s far more than 50 7 footers in the history of the NBA who could dribble better than Giannis who would have 0% chance of putting up 30 the way Giannis does.
What Luka is doing right now is truly amazing, but 25 year old Bron was a freak of an athlete with two regular season MVPs and carried that trash team to the finals, and tbh if Bron had Luka’s team in 2009 when he was 25, he would’ve won a ring imo
@@Dipset415 Apart from when he scored 29 of his teams LAST 30 against a Pistons team who made their 5th straight conference finals, in a far slower paced era with Boobie Gibson being the teams second leading scorer? The mental illness is leaking out of you here
Basketball players consider skills to be shooting, passing, dribbling, and footwork. All which Luka exceeds Lebron at at that time. Lebron’s physical gifts were better and made him harder to stop than Luka.
Bron hasn't never been CONSISTENT so you can't call it SKILL. he was hot nd motivated. Did those Pistons have Ben Wallace that yr.?? He was done anyways but still
@@Atlas365247 Ben wasnt with them that year, but they had Sheed. Bron's career average is 27 points, for a pass first player over 21 seasons...what do you mean consistent? Because the numbers arent in your favour
@@truemoneyb1809 I mean... he was 27. Not that big of a difference. This is the one area that Luka might take over Lebron. It took Lebron a while before he could perform in the finals, took him a while to develop that killer instinct. If Luka comes out this next series and wins it all, this conversation changes. But right now, Lebron takes it.
@@jalilcook5113 Luka scored 75 against my Hawks because we decided this game not to double or blitz him. They let him go one on one all night. Plus this Luka first time beating a team with Multiple HOFs on it yet none of them are in their primes 😂😂 Bron been did that to win championships
He ran with the basketball ... he walked with the basketball ... he carried the basketball ... he bull-dozed and got the call ... Wow ... OK ... Time to Move On ...
LeBron didn't have a Kyrie on his team. A prime Kyrie at that... Noir did he have a Brunson... Without taking those things into consideration Luka still doesn't clear LeBron. Not a conversation.
@@snippyduda Huh? is the game not easier having a Kyrie next to you? Like I said up there in my comment without taking that into consideration Luka still doesn't clear LeBron.
@@lewismoultrie5548 Name one thing LeBron is better at on a basketball court than Luka. Don't say defense, because his votes were given to him because he was the chosen one. We have all seen him play and get smoked by other players. Remember the Mavericks against the Heat? Enough said.
@@KevinThomes In my opinion LeBron is the smartest basketball player to ever lace them up... LeBron is God gifted there are things he can do on a basketball court that Luka just can't do That's obvious. And LeBron is a way better defender than Luka. Luka was guarding Gobert and Jalen mc Daniels. Luka doesn't do anything on a basketball court that LeBron couldn't do today at age 40. With all that being said the only thing Luka has over LeBron is that he has constantly shot double the 3 pointers that LeBron has ever shot. That's it.
@@9nineM4rc377usYea but even Tim said they were focused on guarding him and no one else and forced him to settle for jumpers which was the weakest part of his game at the time. I’d say he was skilled just not to an insane amount like others since he relied on his athleticism too.
Bron was 27 when JJ barea cooked him and the Mavs let him brick wide open Jumpers and was losing to Dwight Howard in a weak East at 25. The West has been Tougher Lukas entire career and this is his 2nd conf fon trip. Luka better Stop the bronsense.
Bron the first player to win a scoring title and not be skilled I guess.. he has the 3rd highest ppg average of ALL TIME and he’s not skilled… and he’s a perimeter player😭😭😭🤦🏽♂️
*KING JAMES 31.1* ✅ {25 yrs old} *LUKA 28.1* 🚫 {25 yes old} *The player efficiency rating (PER) is John Hollinger's all-in-one basketball rating, which attempts to collect or boil down all of a player's contributions into one number. Using a detailed formula, Hollinger developed a system that rates every player's statistical performance*
And that 31.1 was in an era with slower pace, less positions and crowded paint. I mean Luka has better offensive package than LeBron, but its not even close as a comparison. That's like comparing Ant to MJ... oh wait, the media does that, too.
@@tonnichiwa7603bo its not lebron in an ass conference 😂 levron didn't average 31.1 for hia career at that age it was for the season vs kuka for his career nuce try ..
And Lebron won shit till 25, Luka already winner in Europe and Interantional. He does everything Lebron does without being athletic. Not to mention Lebron played in the weakest East ever. LEbron is great but if Dončić was an american it woul be no brainer.
@@baltimoremike9161 nah cuz Jordan is obviously better than Bron , and so is Luka. That's what happens when y'all try to manufacture a goat through the media instead of play; the case falls apart
The 25 straight in Detroit included drives, post ups, fadeaway, threes, and midrange jump shots off the dribble. What are we talking about. Talk about the film.
@@IknowMoreThanYouyou’re a dumbass lol, losing one finals doesn’t suddenly discount every other insane thing he’s accomplished. So your argument is WEAK
No he wouldn't. Bron has never been that great of a rebounder for 6'9. Passer, ok. And he couldnt shoot well. Most his points were inside. The top scorers can shoot, even Giannis is a better shooter then Bron at 25.
That "pure hooper" nonsense was created by guys who needed to put their favorite underachieving Hoopers on a pedestal over more accomplished guys. For example, guys like TMAC or Grant Hill versus LeBron or Giannis
TRUE LUKA STILL BETTER THO Bron was 27 when JJ barea cooked him and the Mavs let him brick wide open Jumpers and was losing to Dwight Howard in a weak East at 25. The West has been Tougher Lukas entire career and this is his 2nd conf fon trip. Luka better Stop the bronsense.
@@KaevonDyer-sq3ho yeah if you were born in the year 2006 or some shit. They quite literally said in the last dance that people remember resumes not their skills.
That whole 25 pt stretch against the pistons took hella skill. He was hitting behind the back mids over people. Hitting threes over people and getting to the rim. He had hella skill.
@@The4ceManyou can argue Luka should have gotten the mvp but didn't because mavs record wasn't good as nuggets. Lebron won a mvp in 08 when Wade should have won it. Bron got it because cavs had the better record. MVP is voters based and no clear criteria, so it's irrelevant in this discussion.
@@MikeBNumba6 boy Lebron should have 7 mvps. So nobody cares about Luka getting so called robbed if really feel that way. And ur saying dwade deserved it because he scored 30. But d wade wasn’t better than Lebron that year. And he had a better team and still didn’t have a better record than cavs. So hush it up
Rashad just isn't a winner. You see how hard he tried to discredit two MVPs? 😂 trying to talk that up as just stats is idiotic, but I would expect nothing less from a player who doesn't have a fraction of LeBron résumé.
@@bryanfox6726 check his defence stats this season you can argue he's great defender or team defender i should say this season its like night and day what he added to the game. 9th in steals this season is no potato i would say.
2 way player? who lebron guarded in the 09 magic? mikael pietrus? you talk as if bron defended the best players every series hell na, bron is great but luka is a killer. trash talk him and he gets better
It takes skills to be able to utilize being stronger, faster, more athletic, bigger. There are too many guys walking the streets today who look like athletes but who don't have the skills to play a sport, not to mention excel at it. It takes skills to learn to utilize your potential.
It takes an entire multiverse of more skill to humiliate and dominate all those individuals without even a possibility of using those same "physical-atrribute based skills" 🤦💀😂
@@IknowMoreThanYou 1st “Bronsense” 👏 thats clean but maaaannnnn. How Luka play defense you would’ve thought he had stickem on the bottom of his shoes. He came into the league at the end of the warriors run rest of that conference wasn’t all that. Dame and Portland made a conference finals in that time too. So na bruh. Can’t give that to you. And if he had A Kyrie then he probably doesn’t leave Cleveland
Bron was 27 when JJ barea cooked him and the Mavs let him brick wide open Jumpers and was losing to Dwight Howard in a weak East at 25. The West has been Tougher Lukas entire career and this is his 2nd conf fon trip. Luka better Stop the bronsense.
Running is a skill but genetically capped, you don't understand when you get to the top echelona these individuals there's a reason why many of them are black. There's two different muscle groups called slow twitch and fast twitch muscle fibers, the fast twitch muscle fibers are explosive and vice versa, we are genetically given these muscle compositions through birth and genetic inheritance, some people are simply faster than others at the start due to their inherent genetics, similarly to how someone is taller than another individual due to genetics.
@@murakjin3725I’m not arguing that point when it comes to Giannis because I tend to think there’s truth in that but when it comes to Lebron that’s bullshit! Finishing at the rim is a skill that he’s quite adept at! Kenyon was capping trying to downplay Brons skillset. Not even with the Luka argument just speaking on Bron as an individual
If you are fucking born with it it ain’t a skill. We are talking about basketball skills. Luka is one of the most skilled players ever. The less athletic you are the more skilled you gotta be
People for real don’t talk about what Kenyon mentioned about that eastern conference finals against the pistons where Lebron had the last 25/26pts scored. That was crazy
People talk about that all the time when talking about lebrons finals appearances. But I don't know how anyone thinks that's a point against Luka, considering what Luka just did to the Wolves, the #1 defense in the league, for the entire series, but also scoring 20 in the 1st Qtr of a closeout game, on the road. Also at 25 LeBron didn't have anything in his bag like Luka's step back game winner in game...2? that step back gam
@@benjaminireland7096 Also at 25 LeBron didn't have anything in his bag like Luka's step back game winner in game...2? Ya he did, he could get to the rim wheneverrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr he wanted. Like Ja Morant but with 100 more pounds. Lebron could do whatever, whenever.
Defense was PLAYED COMPLETELY DIFFERENT AT THAT TIME. Secondly that INEXPERIENCED TIMBERWOLVES team. Was nothing compared to the Pistons at that time@@benjaminireland7096
I went back and rewatched that 25 vs Detroit and oh boy was Kenyon WRONG about it not taking skill, that mf bron was cooking the shit out the pistons 😂
Lebron was playing against Kobe, Chris Webber, Kenyon, Brandon Jennings, Gilbert, dwade, steph curry, Paul pierce, Kevin Garnett, Rondo, Melo, Shaq, Tim Duncan, Manu, Tony Parker, Jason Kidd, Nash, Paul George, When Lebron played it was a different league then when luka or Jokic playing right now.
You guys' points don't matter. Yeah, the competition e.g. can be a legit point. But that's irrelevant here. The point is Kenyon's lack of logic. On one instance dude is listing the number of MVPs to make an argument player A is above player B. Very simple according to him in this regard. Elsewhere the number of MVPs is suddenly irrelevant. No logic, no consistency. Wait... I do see the common denominator: the Euro/white guy will always be ranked 2nd. Now that's consistency you can bank on if you listen to Kenyon on this show. Recall he even had TMac above Luka (Doncic e.g. 2nd _all-time_ in points per game in the playoffs, behind only MJ. 31.1 PPG. TMac 22.2. Even if you adjust per 36 minutes: Doncic 28.8. TMac 23.2. TMac also _never ever_ got past the 1st round in the playoffs. Don't get me wrong TMac was a baller and my point is not to bag on him, but just to point out Kenyon's lack of logic. Talking out of his ass. For some reason always undermining the Euro guys.)
Bron was 27 when JJ barea cooked him and the Mavs let him brick wide open Jumpers and was losing to Dwight Howard in a weak East at 25. The West has been Tougher Lukas entire career and this is his 2nd conf fon trip. Luka better Stop the bronsense.
Bron was 27 when JJ barea cooked him and the Mavs let him brick wide open Jumpers and was losing to Dwight Howard in a weak East at 25. The West has been Tougher Lukas entire career and this is his 2nd conf fon trip. Luka better Stop the bronsense.
@thialhoinj1971 Luka's Superior Player ... Lebron is the Most Over-Rated Athlete of All Times / Most Over-Hyped Athlete of All-Times ... Luka's Better & Hasn't Peaked ...
Stop disrepecting the GOAT. With no Elite HS program, with no Elite College program, didnt play for a professional team before gettin drafted yet had a team with Drew Gooden as the 2nd best player in the finals. Not a Kyrie irving who should be a top 75 player, weird ass haircut Drew Gooden
The GOAT is Michael Jordan. Bron was 27 when JJ barea cooked him and the Mavs let him brick wide open Jumpers and was losing to Dwight Howard in a weak East at 25. The West has been Tougher Lukas entire career and this is his 2nd conf fon trip. Luka better Stop the bronsense.
@@RyanReed-zl3sm He was better than Boozer bro. I was a huge Drew Gooden fan. Mike Brown held back his career. Brown always told him to rebound the ball and he wouldn't get any plays run for him. Lebron, Z and Larry Hughes always had to get their shots and Drew would just get leftovers. That really pissed me off quite a lot. Drew had a good post game with a great touch on that hook shot. We also could have developed him into a 3 point shooter but nah, Potato head Mike Brown just always had Drew in the dog house partly because he has defensive lapses at times. I don't blame Drew for lapses either. I remember one of the games in Oakland Drew had many family members and friends at the game to see him play. Mike Brown gave him like single digit minutes that game. Smh
Bron was 27 when JJ barea cooked him and the Mavs let him brick wide open Jumpers and was losing to Dwight Howard in a weak East at 25. The West has been Tougher Lukas entire career and this is his 2nd conf fon trip. Luka better Stop the bronsense.
@@kabeperry6774 yeah the footage is there for parts of the game not most of it💯lebron was never a good on ball defender Paul George and kwahi became famous for cooking Lebron on the big stage. Don’t hit me with stats I saw the actual games
Acting like he scored 25 straight just running by everyone is crazy. Or bulldozing mfs for 25 straight points is crazy. Comparing Giannis to Young Lebron is DELUSIONAL WORK
Imagine someone said I am going pick you first because of your speed, but you have no skills. Como on Martin. Your skills were never as close as LeBron at 18
By the age of 25 Kobe Bryant had 3 championships, 6 All-NBA teams, 5 time All-Defense. Already had the 9 straight 40 point games streak and NBA record 12 3's. Nobody was better aged 25 and under. And that's even with a teenage Kobe coming off the bench his first two years.
Before looking at the details of their offense, the defense puts Lebron way ahead of Luka. I remember Lebron absolutely locking down an MVP (Derrick Rose) and a Hall of Fame PG (Tony Parker). People forget how incredible Lebron's defense was when he was in his prime.
It's like saying bolt not skilled but he is fast 😂😂, poeple are glorifying wemby even his skills are worst than Brandon. Miller but that skill for a 7ft4 it's out of this world. This why poeple say Iverson the best p4p player if you take off height.
@@zellgierspoint4577 i think you didn't get the point. Why poeple would take Bron over pg13 even if pg handle better shot better? Better on 1vs1. If we do it like 2k rating I prefer have a 7ft with 84 overall than 6ft 94 overall. Wemby is an alien because of his skills on his body. If he was 6ft5 you think he still alien?
Bron was 27 when JJ barea cooked him and the Mavs let him brick wide open Jumpers and was losing to Dwight Howard in a weak East at 25. The West has been Tougher Lukas entire career and this is his 2nd conf fon trip. Luka better Stop the bronsense.
Why they putting a dumb ass tweet up for this topic. They should be embarrassed by this. Lebron his fourth year had carried a team to a finals. He didn't need a kyrie to save his ass
@@jhonagha6279 Bron was 27 when JJ barea cooked him and the Mavs let him brick wide open Jumpers and was losing to Dwight Howard in a weak East at 25. The West has been Tougher Lukas entire career and this is his 2nd conf fon trip. Luka better Stop the bronsense.
OK? And LeBron has 2 all defensive 1st teams and was runner up DPOY. Which Luka doesn’t have any convo in. Not to mention Luka has Kyrie Irving assisting him. LeBrons best scoring teammate when he was 22 years old and had his first finals appearance was Larry Hughes…. Who averaged 11 points in the playoffs 🤦🏾♂️ LeBron was carrying his entire team on his back as a 22-year-old. LeBron James at 25 was better than Luka. It is not even a debate
Lebron never had help that equlivelnt of lamelo taking charollote to nba finals buddy hello no and Luka game wouldn't be the best in 2000s lol toughest era he would still be great but no
4x Final MVP. I know talking the age 25 but relax my guy. 10 Finals appearance. 4x League MVP. Are you stupid. Luka idolized Lebron. That's a FACT. That was his favorite player. Luka even got autograph Lebron shoes and Jersey
@@laxus6442 irrelevant to the argument. The argument is by the age of 25 what they accomplished and who was better. LeBron did not go to Miami until he was 26.
Only cap that makes Rashad head not big. Funniest part was Rashad disagreeing with the fact everyone was happy he wasn't going to pull a Skip Bayless and try to by 2% right.
@@johnsepulvedacruz6428 Well, the question was " who was a better player at that age". And since Lebron had a scoring title, 2 First team all defense spots, amongst all the other accolades. It's clear that he was the superior player. Basketball is played on 2 ends. And Lebron is still a better defender at 40 than Luka is at his age.
one was already mvp and in finals wining it all at age 18 :) Euroleague isnt little piece of cake buddy. Luka was in Western conference finals in his 3d year. Also Luka's stats are better in all departments at the same number of games played so he's on a pace to do it everything faster. Bron was a monster DNA wise but Luka is god compared skill wise.
Luka's Clearly Better, Better in Every Aspect of Offense, Better Rebounder, Higher IQ, Much More Clutch and not as far behind on d as you'd like to believe ... get over it ...
I’m from Cleveland and the same high school league as LeBron . LeBron was phenomenally skilled in high school and beyond they have to stop . In high school he did everything . They are hating on him .
Luka was snubed MVP in NBA,thats number 1.Number 2 Luka WAS MVP and champion in euroleague when he was 18,that got to worth something.Number 3,he was also champion of Europe with Slovenia,which is by no means an easy task,crazy good european teams!Number 4,who has better numbers?And the most important thing-what if he wins nba ring this year?Because they beat twolves easily?hmm..Who is better by 25 then?Did Lebron have a chip by then?Or did he win his first chip when 28?.
@@jonnstewart2023 the narratives and who people like always lead to hypocrisy and mistruths. they say they hate flopping when its bron or harder but jokic murray luka flop and cry all game and its cool and acceptable or gets explained away
Imo luka better then bron at age 25. LeBron was good was was called lechoke in clutch. Luka has killer mentality. All the stats are also on side of luka
@@luxeairfreshener1235 Jordan's first 3 seasons were first round exits 😂 the bulls were 9th in the east when they got mj. the cavs were a 17 win team and 15th when they got lebron 😂
As a Pistons fan, that game with the 25 straight, was the game when I started ‘hating’ LeBron..
the great get the most hate
Fr. We were the best defensive team in the league and he dogged us. That Bron is just on another level simple
No Ben Wallace
It’s crazy how folks forget how outrageous Lebron was at 25. If they go pull up those games.. they’ll see Bron hitting 35ft 3 pointers, doing sideways fades, step back 3’s, full speed spin move dunks, parachute fade aways, etc. He WAS NOT run and dunk man like Giannis. People need to get that narrative tf outa here.
and he was scared to take jumpshots againts the mavs. Luka is a killer, trash talk him and he gets better.
Yeah, Bron was terrified ahah FOH@@chay770
@@chay770 Luka can also shoot his team out the game when his shot isn't falling, he whines when he doesn't get every call, and he's lazy on defense so what is his go to when his jumper ain't falling? He don't trash talk when they losing though lol.
@@creshondasmith4448 when his shot isn’t falling he drops a trip double with 12+ assists and I assume you have no ball knowledge because of that last part as the suns series should’ve cleared Luka of all frontrunner accusations the man is a dog
@@creshondasmith4448 Also your a fucking casual 🤣🤣🤣 you just said Luka doesn’t talk when he’s losing just stfu and say you just started watching
Lebron was all defense 2x and MVP 2x...wtf are we talking about here 😂
Actin like Luka didn’t just get robbed from MVP this year. Yall the same oldheads who love kobe and shaq now talkin bout some “mvp” as if that ain’t no media agenda pushing award 😂
He would 0 MVPS at that point if his competition was Jokic, Embiid, and Giannis
@@MavDon-qc9tceven if he won it he’d still be another MVP short lol
Tim Duncan Kobe D Wade
He eas competing with Kobe, Dirk and Tim and KG huh....@@Rooski245
Bro imagine LeBron running up and down the floor and thinking Luka could help stop bron from doing anything is crazy
Lmao fr a 25 y/o Bron absolutely FRYING everybody on this Mavs team rn
To be fair I don't think bron could stop Luka either
@@AlphaAbyss_ I feel you but my point is it would be Easy for LeBron to dominate Luka and overall he a better player hell Luka might be better offensively but overall no defense matters a lot to me which is why I’m thinking Boston in 5-6
@@Tonyoung55 yeah Lebron is definitely a more rounder player in terms of both sides of the court but players like Luka and jokic embarrassed Rudy who is a better defender than LeBron weather or not the Mavs or the Celtics win im not sure but Lukas defence in this playoff run has been far better
@@AlphaAbyss_ Boston gonna hunt Luka and he will not try to hide is what I’m thinking but we will see I don’t see Luka’s defense in the playoffs being any different he not guarding anybody of note against Boston you can’t hide so I’m looking forward to seeing this
Bron not being skilled is one of the craziest takes ever
i'd Hire Him as a Bull-Dozer ... and he's a good passer ... but he telegraphs everything ...not just his passing ... Everything ...
Didn’t say not skilled said not as skilled as Luka. Which is fair.
Funny thing is the dudes who saying he aint skilled cant beat him at the game of basketball because of how much more skilled at the game he is more than them.
@@craigstephen2729cant beat him bc of how much bigger he is*
@@skinnymon123 can beat him because of how much better at the game of basketball he is*
Rashad hate for Lebron is reaching Skip Bayless level of delusion.
He was on Bron side this entire segment 😂
On Lebron side?
Nigga said stick to the question then brough up Kobe... he don't like Bron whatsoever
That didn’t even make sense and you still got 83 likes that should tell you something
@@DP-gb8qunggas love to hate McCants they keep him relevant
@@DP-gb8qu The BRONSENSE is strong with these weirdos
They cap on Bron just running through the Pistons, Lebron was being guarded by Billups, then Prince, and he was doing step backs, fadeaways, behind the back dribble then pulling up for a 3, his athleticism just overshadows that.
And shot 3-18 in the close out game while boogie Gibson dropped 31 points. In fact lebron only played well 2 games of that series that y’all hype up so much
@@whateveryaw8109Shh 🤫 you can’t put out facts like that
@@whateveryaw8109 Lebron had 20 point 14 rebs, and 8 assist in that close out, just say you don’t know any better.
@@LeetraviusMcKay-q6m Lebron had 20 point 14 rebs, and 8 assist in that close out, just say you don’t know any better. Skip over that fact huh, but 🤫 right?
@@willg1083 That don’t mean sh** when you shoot 3-18 in the close out game
So Glad Nick Young stood his ground. The other dude was tripping. 💯
Kenyon isnt trippin. Lebron definitely has a DNA advantage since birth. He also still said Lebron was better at age 25.. so what is he trippin about? Luka definitely has a more polished skill set at that age (footwork, dribbling, shooting, shot creating, floaters etc.)
@merv3930 He is tripping. Saying running and jumping aren't skills is tripping. Just because someone else can have better genetics which makes them better at them than other people doesn't mean it isn't a skill. Your DNA plays a part in everything we do, so if being born with genetics that makes us better a certain things disqualifies it from being a skill then nothing is a skill.
These dudes think a gift is not a skill.
Their narrative is just narrow.
To their narrative Luka's footwork should also be a gift. That footwork doesn't even stay for 10 years of use. All the athletes expires and deplete through time.
It's not like Lebron is just standing around and does nothing to have this skill.
He worked hard for it to maintain as much of it at this stage. He even adjusted to what was left of his skills.
@@tonyfortune346 You’re just proving what Kenyon is saying. Yes it is a skill to do certain things with those gifts but some people have higher ceilings. No matter how hard Luka trains to jump higher, he will never be able to jump higher than Lebron if Lebron trained at the same level.
Gifts are physical attributes not skills. Skills can be trained. Lebron can train to shoot as efficient as Luka but Luka can’t train to be 6’9 with a 7’0 wing span.
The fact that they’re debating Lebron vs. Luka is why I don’t have basketball conversations in 2024.
Why is that Exactly?
Because people are morons
@@bryanfox6726 because fans are 🤡’s it isn’t a comparison! Lebron was way better than Luka at 25. This is the weakest gen of basketball when it comes to defense. But y’all want to crown him better than lebron who had 2mvps and 2 def player awards when def was still being played !
Because it’s ridiculous Bryan
@@bryanfox6726 you the problem
Who TF came up with this comparison. The Lebron disrespect does not stop
Bron was 27 when JJ barea cooked him and the Mavs let him brick wide open Jumpers and was losing to Dwight Howard in a weak East at 25. The West has been Tougher Lukas entire career and this is his 2nd conf fon trip. Luka better
Stop the bronsense.
It's more Luka butt kissing
Bro is JJ paying you to keep commenting the same thing
@@IknowMoreThanYoudidn’t JJ sweep Kobe that year? A back to back champ?
LOL. It's only going to get worse for Lebron. Wait until he's been out the league for 20 years like MJ and an entire generation has never seen him play. All types of dudes will be considered better than him.
This is what happens when someone doesn't know the definition of the word skill
Swaggy P had Brando rollin' 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I can write my name faster than you. SKILL!! so ridiculous
Young bron is very underrated
exactly, there's athletic skills vs passing skills.... bro dont even know why coacg had them doing conditioning😂
Bron not being skilled is the funniest narrative to be pushed yet 😂
He got skills .. no bag
He isn’t skilled. WTF are y’all watching
He’s not skilled and has no bag
Go watch lebron bag talk
He got 0 skills lol. Mr. No bag LeBron
I actually agree with Nick about Bron and Giannis. If every 7 footer could dribble like Giannis there would be 50 7ft mvp candidates rn every season
Giannis actually has handles, footwork, high IQ and desire
Facts Kmart tripping
@@tiba1017this had to be Kenyons worse take
@@antoniofba667exactly, this is what made Jordan unstoppable his speed with the ball.
😂 Wemby dribbles better than Giannis, you think Wemby could get 30 a game just running by people and dunking? Gtfo 😂 Giannis is taller, stronger, and faster than everyone and people don’t want to get run over so he scores 30. You thought they call him Freak because of his dribbling skills? 😂
KD dribbles better than Gianni, can slenderman put up 30 a game by running by people and dunking? There’s far more than 50 7 footers in the history of the NBA who could dribble better than Giannis who would have 0% chance of putting up 30 the way Giannis does.
"Hell yeah i jumped higher than you. My shit was 42, boy what the fuck wrong witchu?" Swaggy P spittin 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Dude had me cracking up 😂
@@Flare6he said he can get Ozempic, when Kenyon said He can’t get abs 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@lamadesurvivor5216 He's hilarious and he doesn't even be trying. He's perfect for these podcasts
😂😂😂😂😭😭😭😭😭💀💀💀💀💀
What Luka is doing right now is truly amazing, but 25 year old Bron was a freak of an athlete with two regular season MVPs and carried that trash team to the finals, and tbh if Bron had Luka’s team in 2009 when he was 25, he would’ve won a ring imo
Facts if Bron had kyrie like Luka has automatic chip this year
25 year old lebron couldn’t guard hedo and stop the magic pick and roll stop it😭
@@Dipset415Lukas never been able to stop anyone stop it 😂
@@hardwoodthought1213 watching the first quarter of tonight’s game🥱Lebron in no time in his career was doing shit like this
@@Dipset415 Apart from when he scored 29 of his teams LAST 30 against a Pistons team who made their 5th straight conference finals, in a far slower paced era with Boobie Gibson being the teams second leading scorer?
The mental illness is leaking out of you here
Nick Young is the only one here having some braincells
Lmao that's a low bar
Surprisingly
Basketball players consider skills to be shooting, passing, dribbling, and footwork. All which Luka exceeds Lebron at at that time. Lebron’s physical gifts were better and made him harder to stop than Luka.
@@enriquenieves6499what makes Luka passing and footwork better than lebrons?
@@Htxracing97his footwork is better for sure probably one of the best in the league in that aspect. LeBron is definitely a superior passer though
The way Nick checked Kenyon like he meant that 💀😂 Dude said 42 vert had to close the app and took a walk 😭😭
🤣🤣🤣🤣facts
Don’t sleep though. That nigga Kenyon had some mf bounce now! That’s why his son bounce the way he does. Nick had em on him tho. I ain’t gone pop it
An old head used to say, "My dog can run and jump, dont mean it can play basketball." That shit applies to many hoopers.
😮😉🤫🤔
Well it apply to LeBron mother fucker
especially to LeChoke. He is total bully with his shoulders and is the king of flops.
Moral victories lmaooo
This is a bar omg 😂😂😂
that 25 points run was pure skill, most of the points were perimeter jumpshots against the best defensive team in the league...
The crazy part is half of those points came from jumpshots and 3s😭🤦🏽♂️
Man I was waiting on them to read the shot chart. I guess Kenyon had a game that night cause he def didn’t watch that game
@@SammieSosa_ exactly that Pistons defense was top tier in the league
Bron hasn't never been CONSISTENT so you can't call it SKILL. he was hot nd motivated.
Did those Pistons have Ben Wallace that yr.?? He was done anyways but still
@@Atlas365247 Ben wasnt with them that year, but they had Sheed. Bron's career average is 27 points, for a pass first player over 21 seasons...what do you mean consistent? Because the numbers arent in your favour
If 25 yr old Lebron went up against 25 yr old luka it wouldn’t even be a question…
JJ barea & Jason Terry don’t believe you
@@HoosierDaddy_11he wasn't 25 against them smh
@@truemoneyb1809 oh wow what was he 26 or 27 you 🤡
@@truemoneyb1809 I mean... he was 27. Not that big of a difference. This is the one area that Luka might take over Lebron. It took Lebron a while before he could perform in the finals, took him a while to develop that killer instinct. If Luka comes out this next series and wins it all, this conversation changes.
But right now, Lebron takes it.
1v1? You're absolutely right, LeBron gets smoked. He's notoriously bad at 1v1, just ask Dwade, Michael Beasley, etc etc
If lebron shot 42% from the field and 32% from 3PT range for a series at the age of 25 he would undoubtedly be on his way to Cancun
bro like what we talking about here😂 & Luka scored 73 points in a game, Luka more skilled than bron was at 25..
Lebron wasn’t as skilled as Luka at age 25, didn’t have the fundamentals like Luka at age 25
@@jalilcook5113 Luka scored 75 against my Hawks because we decided this game not to double or blitz him. They let him go one on one all night. Plus this Luka first time beating a team with Multiple HOFs on it yet none of them are in their primes 😂😂 Bron been did that to win championships
@@LeetraviusMcKay-q6m100% too bad being a freak athlete helps how good at basketball you are 💀 skills is nice, productions and wins is better
07 LeBron when he "carried" the Cavs to the Finals.
07-Playoffs 25ppg, 41.6%FG, 28%3PA 😂😢😅
This segment made me go back to 20's Bron highlights. Bron is my GOAT, and I can't believe I forgot about how ridiculously athletic he was.
Running fast WITH control of the basketball, with that level of body control young LeBron had, there’s absolutely skill involved with that.
He ran with the basketball ... he walked with the basketball ... he carried the basketball ... he bull-dozed and got the call ... Wow ... OK ... Time to Move On ...
@@bryanfox6726 booo
if he was skilled at it he wouldn't be a turnover machine
@@bryanfox6726That's Luka.
@@bryanfox6726just say you never played.
LeBron didn't have a Kyrie on his team. A prime Kyrie at that... Noir did he have a Brunson... Without taking those things into consideration Luka still doesn't clear LeBron. Not a conversation.
Wtf does having kyrie on his team gotta do with who’s better?
@@snippyduda Huh? is the game not easier having a Kyrie next to you? Like I said up there in my comment without taking that into consideration Luka still doesn't clear LeBron.
@@lewismoultrie5548 Name one thing LeBron is better at on a basketball court than Luka. Don't say defense, because his votes were given to him because he was the chosen one. We have all seen him play and get smoked by other players. Remember the Mavericks against the Heat? Enough said.
@@KevinThomes In my opinion LeBron is the smartest basketball player to ever lace them up... LeBron is God gifted there are things he can do on a basketball court that Luka just can't do That's obvious. And LeBron is a way better defender than Luka. Luka was guarding Gobert and Jalen mc Daniels. Luka doesn't do anything on a basketball court that LeBron couldn't do today at age 40. With all that being said the only thing Luka has over LeBron is that he has constantly shot double the 3 pointers that LeBron has ever shot. That's it.
Sure, but Lebron a couple years older and more experienced, had a finals MVP in Wade next to him in his second finals run and lost.
Nah saying LeBron isn’t skilled at that age is INSANE
Not really
That finals vs the spurs kinda exaposed his lack of skill set
They made him a shooter and he struggled
But bron is great
@@9nineM4rc377usYea but even Tim said they were focused on guarding him and no one else and forced him to settle for jumpers which was the weakest part of his game at the time. I’d say he was skilled just not to an insane amount like others since he relied on his athleticism too.
@@9nineM4rc377usor there was no one else on the team 😂😂
@@UFunnyLoweThat shows he didn’t work on his jump shot, go to move, balling handling, free throws
This topic is so laughable lol LeBron is head and shoulders above Luka at that age! Not even close
I'd argue knowing how to use your genetics is a skill. A lot of tall and built dudes out here who haven't made the NBA
Bron was 27 when JJ barea cooked him and the Mavs let him brick wide open Jumpers and was losing to Dwight Howard in a weak East at 25. The West has been Tougher Lukas entire career and this is his 2nd conf fon trip. Luka better
Stop the bronsense.
@@IknowMoreThanYounigga you have copy as pasted the same comment three different times
WE TALKING ABOUT SKILL ON NBA STANDARDS.USING UR GENES COMES DOWNN TO HARDWORK NOT SKILL
@@IknowMoreThanYou you wrote this comment like 6x we get it lol get off dick now
just bcuz u tall dnt mean ur athletic🤦🏿♂️😭ur just tall😭😭dichead
Bron the first player to win a scoring title and not be skilled I guess.. he has the 3rd highest ppg average of ALL TIME and he’s not skilled… and he’s a perimeter player😭😭😭🤦🏽♂️
Bron won't get his respect until 30-40 years down the line
Calling for picks to get the weaker defender on you and taking advantage 🥱
@@mrdeebo313 He's Forgotten Already ... Why do People Keep Bringin' him Up?
@@Dipset415who doesn’t do that in the NBA 😂. Do you even watch basketball?
@@camminor8523 it’s a lot players in the nba who don’t do that because they have the skills to get by anybody💯then there’s Lebron 😭
*KING JAMES 31.1* ✅ {25 yrs old}
*LUKA 28.1* 🚫 {25 yes old}
*The player efficiency rating (PER) is John Hollinger's all-in-one basketball rating, which attempts to collect or boil down all of a player's contributions into one number. Using a detailed formula, Hollinger developed a system that rates every player's statistical performance*
🤓
@@whoisdannykane *Statman, Statman, yeah that’s me* 😂
And that 31.1 was in an era with slower pace, less positions and crowded paint. I mean Luka has better offensive package than LeBron, but its not even close as a comparison. That's like comparing Ant to MJ... oh wait, the media does that, too.
@@tonnichiwa7603bo its not lebron in an ass conference 😂 levron didn't average 31.1 for hia career at that age it was for the season vs kuka for his career nuce try ..
@@diegochavez6203can’t take your argument serious when you can’t even spell
This is some Disrespectful shitz toward Lebron
This is what LeBron fans do to MJ 😂
And Lebron won shit till 25, Luka already winner in Europe and Interantional. He does everything Lebron does without being athletic. Not to mention Lebron played in the weakest East ever. LEbron is great but if Dončić was an american it woul be no brainer.
Luka gonna be 1 of those 1’s that don’t get respect til years from now. Yall have no idea lol
How is it disrespectful to compare a dude with 5 1st team all nba selections by age 25?
@@justoutlaw6423 you can’t really compare the euro league. Lebron would average 40+ in Europe at 20
Keyon Saying Bron Not Skilled Is Nasty Work 😷
Because Bron isn’t flashy like Luka or Kyrie..
Bron fans already seeing what Jordan fans went through lol
At least bro retired first..
@@baltimoremike9161 we didn’t have social media or these podcasts in 03 though lol
@@baltimoremike9161 nah cuz Jordan is obviously better than Bron , and so is Luka. That's what happens when y'all try to manufacture a goat through the media instead of play; the case falls apart
@@andyheath5244and?
Frfr wtf Luka better back tf up
The smiles and applause was exemplary!😂🎉😂🎉😂🎉😂🎉
Btw the Cavs ran pin downs for Lebron jumpers. Something Milwaukee never does for Giannis. Saying Lebron didn’t have skill is insane
The 25 straight in Detroit included drives, post ups, fadeaway, threes, and midrange jump shots off the dribble. What are we talking about. Talk about the film.
Exactly crazy he brought the game up then pretended like everyone was just letting him run to the rim back then
He old give him grace lmbo
Vs an old pistons lmao luka destroyed and took the soul out the #1 seed suns
lebron played defense, Luka did not
like i don’t understand why they dont take that into account
@@_lilkeef Because Luka outpaces him in every other category lol thats why they dont.
@@IknowMoreThanYouyou’re a dumbass lol, losing one finals doesn’t suddenly discount every other insane thing he’s accomplished. So your argument is WEAK
you don’t watch basketball then
Jordan got raped and fasted for 7 years. He only won 1 playoff game without an all-star or all-NBA caliber player. Thats not goat material
Crazy discussion
Bron would averaged 34 10 10 this era at 25 and im not even bron fan
bron couldn’t shoot like that at age 25.. he’d be zion literally..
No he wouldn't. Bron has never been that great of a rebounder for 6'9. Passer, ok. And he couldnt shoot well. Most his points were inside. The top scorers can shoot, even Giannis is a better shooter then Bron at 25.
@@jalilcook5113Zion nice though he just be getting hurt
@@actionjackson8689Giannis is not no better shooter than Bron at 25
I agree. Too many people on the perimeter. Bron was killing folks with paint packed
That "pure hooper" nonsense was created by guys who needed to put their favorite underachieving Hoopers on a pedestal over more accomplished guys.
For example, guys like TMAC or Grant Hill versus LeBron or Giannis
TRUE
LUKA STILL BETTER THO
Bron was 27 when JJ barea cooked him and the Mavs let him brick wide open Jumpers and was losing to Dwight Howard in a weak East at 25. The West has been Tougher Lukas entire career and this is his 2nd conf fon trip. Luka better
Stop the bronsense.
@@IknowMoreThanYouthird time you've copy and pasted this and liked your own comment 💀
No tf is wasn't that shit been around since the beginning guys with better footwork and skill was always praised more ..
@@KaevonDyer-sq3ho yeah if you were born in the year 2006 or some shit. They quite literally said in the last dance that people remember resumes not their skills.
@IknowMoreThanYou lil boy said JJ Barea and ended it with bronsense. If that ain the most telling sign of a closeted bronsexual there is 🤣🤣
That whole 25 pt stretch against the pistons took hella skill. He was hitting behind the back mids over people. Hitting threes over people and getting to the rim. He had hella skill.
and luka just gave the number 1 defense 20 pts in the 1st qtr and killed their souls.
Yea because Lebron has never done anything like that. Luka hasn’t even gotten a mvp yet dude. Hopefully he wins the finals I like kyrie.
@@The4ceManyou can argue Luka should have gotten the mvp but didn't because mavs record wasn't good as nuggets.
Lebron won a mvp in 08 when Wade should have won it. Bron got it because cavs had the better record.
MVP is voters based and no clear criteria, so it's irrelevant in this discussion.
@@MikeBNumba6thank you lol
@@MikeBNumba6 boy Lebron should have 7 mvps. So nobody cares about Luka getting so called robbed if really feel that way. And ur saying dwade deserved it because he scored 30. But d wade wasn’t better than Lebron that year. And he had a better team and still didn’t have a better record than cavs. So hush it up
Don’t compare anything to LeBron he is in a league of his own!
Rashad just isn't a winner. You see how hard he tried to discredit two MVPs? 😂 trying to talk that up as just stats is idiotic, but I would expect nothing less from a player who doesn't have a fraction of LeBron résumé.
Facts! Absolutely fuckin absurd!
Lol I was waiting he try to bring skills in so he can discredit two mvps.
LeBron a 2 way player its no comparison 🤷🏽♂️
Luka is Far Greater Offensively In Every Way ...
@@bryanfox6726 check his defence stats this season you can argue he's great defender or team defender i should say this season its like night and day what he added to the game. 9th in steals this season is no potato i would say.
@@bryanfox6726two way dummy
2 way player? who lebron guarded in the 09 magic? mikael pietrus? you talk as if bron defended the best players every series hell na, bron is great but luka is a killer. trash talk him and he gets better
True. At age 25 Luka is better shooter
It takes skills to be able to utilize being stronger, faster, more athletic, bigger. There are too many guys walking the streets today who look like athletes but who don't have the skills to play a sport, not to mention excel at it. It takes skills to learn to utilize your potential.
And Luka can beat you with footwork, IQ desire and fundamentals
Exactly, it's crazy these former pro athletes didn't bring this up. Bron had to put in the work to be able to finish at the rim like he did.
@@mrdeebo313you prove that it's idiots all over the internet 😂😂😂
@@mrdeebo313bra he calls for screens to get the weaker defender on him and takes advantage 🥱which forces a double team then he kicks to open shooters🥱
Not.... that's not how that works at all 😂😂😂😂😂
It takes skill to be able to take advantage of your physical attributes. How many athletes are fast, strong, or jump higher but can take advantage
It takes an entire multiverse of more skill to humiliate and dominate all those individuals without even a possibility of using those same "physical-atrribute based skills" 🤦💀😂
“Nick you’re 40”😂😂😂
Rashad is a pure hater it's nasty and he be on Kobes Nuts
He right though
You be on Bron?
watch yo mouth about Kobe bitch
@@tommygunn2782😂
Saying Kobe 6 straight mvps is the most insane shit ever.
Nick vs Kmart was Hilarious 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Kenyon Martin should be the last one talking about skill
??? So Kenyon didn’t have skill?u tripping
Naw he didnt. Kenyon was just jumping around with 0 jumper @@garyphillips5510
On that couch ok
Definitely Big Hat. And there were way more stars in the league when Lebron was 25
2007 nah bro was weak then
@@IknowMoreThanYou 1st “Bronsense” 👏 thats clean but maaaannnnn. How Luka play defense you would’ve thought he had stickem on the bottom of his shoes. He came into the league at the end of the warriors run rest of that conference wasn’t all that. Dame and Portland made a conference finals in that time too. So na bruh. Can’t give that to you. And if he had A Kyrie then he probably doesn’t leave Cleveland
@@IknowMoreThanYouevery time you comment it's a lie man come on
@@IknowMoreThanYouso Danny ainge cooked mj 6-0 and bill lambier beat mj. 😮
@@cheetahturner4576Bron was 22 in 07
“Bron had no jumper”
Lebron first shot in the NBA: A jumper
😂😂 people just be talking when it comes to Lebron
Bron did NOT have a consistent jumper to start his career
Bron was 27 when JJ barea cooked him and the Mavs let him brick wide open Jumpers and was losing to Dwight Howard in a weak East at 25. The West has been Tougher Lukas entire career and this is his 2nd conf fon trip. Luka better
Stop the bronsense.
@@IknowMoreThanYoubrons biggest fan, repeatedly commenting the same thing lmao
@@LeoorLeonard They have to be a bot. They are literally on every fucking comment.
Ya one shot clearly disproves that point; the fuck kinda logic to Lebron fans even have?
Bro... Running IS a skill.. There's a wholeass sport dedicated to people running faster than others.. Lol
That's all GIANNIS do run and dunk
Running is a skill but genetically capped, you don't understand when you get to the top echelona these individuals there's a reason why many of them are black. There's two different muscle groups called slow twitch and fast twitch muscle fibers, the fast twitch muscle fibers are explosive and vice versa, we are genetically given these muscle compositions through birth and genetic inheritance, some people are simply faster than others at the start due to their inherent genetics, similarly to how someone is taller than another individual due to genetics.
@@murakjin3725I’m not arguing that point when it comes to Giannis because I tend to think there’s truth in that but when it comes to Lebron that’s bullshit! Finishing at the rim is a skill that he’s quite adept at! Kenyon was capping trying to downplay Brons skillset. Not even with the Luka argument just speaking on Bron as an individual
If you are fucking born with it it ain’t a skill. We are talking about basketball skills. Luka is one of the most skilled players ever. The less athletic you are the more skilled you gotta be
GIFT ain't skills
People for real don’t talk about what Kenyon mentioned about that eastern conference finals against the pistons where Lebron had the last 25/26pts scored. That was crazy
29/30 but 25 straight
People talk about that all the time when talking about lebrons finals appearances. But I don't know how anyone thinks that's a point against Luka, considering what Luka just did to the Wolves, the #1 defense in the league, for the entire series, but also scoring 20 in the 1st Qtr of a closeout game, on the road. Also at 25 LeBron didn't have anything in his bag like Luka's step back game winner in game...2?
that step back gam
@@benjaminireland7096 Also at 25 LeBron didn't have anything in his bag like Luka's step back game winner in game...2?
Ya he did, he could get to the rim wheneverrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr he wanted. Like Ja Morant but with 100 more pounds. Lebron could do whatever, whenever.
Defense was PLAYED COMPLETELY DIFFERENT AT THAT TIME. Secondly that INEXPERIENCED TIMBERWOLVES team. Was nothing compared to the Pistons at that time@@benjaminireland7096
Hahah so what kuka outscored the whole suns team by himself the #1 seed that was talking mad sh.. pisotns had no bigs no ven wallace
I went back and rewatched that 25 vs Detroit and oh boy was Kenyon WRONG about it not taking skill, that mf bron was cooking the shit out the pistons 😂
Kenyon: _"2 MVPs... Yup... Clearly he's better."_ Also Kenyon: _"Jokic, 3 MVPs... OBVIOUSLY Embiid's better."_
Embiid was hands down the mvp this season if not for the injury.
Lebron was playing against Kobe, Chris Webber, Kenyon, Brandon Jennings, Gilbert, dwade, steph curry, Paul pierce, Kevin Garnett, Rondo, Melo, Shaq, Tim Duncan, Manu, Tony Parker, Jason Kidd, Nash, Paul George, When Lebron played it was a different league then when luka or Jokic playing right now.
You guys' points don't matter. Yeah, the competition e.g. can be a legit point. But that's irrelevant here. The point is Kenyon's lack of logic. On one instance dude is listing the number of MVPs to make an argument player A is above player B. Very simple according to him in this regard. Elsewhere the number of MVPs is suddenly irrelevant. No logic, no consistency. Wait... I do see the common denominator: the Euro/white guy will always be ranked 2nd. Now that's consistency you can bank on if you listen to Kenyon on this show. Recall he even had TMac above Luka (Doncic e.g. 2nd _all-time_ in points per game in the playoffs, behind only MJ. 31.1 PPG. TMac 22.2. Even if you adjust per 36 minutes: Doncic 28.8. TMac 23.2. TMac also _never ever_ got past the 1st round in the playoffs. Don't get me wrong TMac was a baller and my point is not to bag on him, but just to point out Kenyon's lack of logic. Talking out of his ass. For some reason always undermining the Euro guys.)
@@waynejeffery6995lmao I love him but he was clearly Stat padding in regular season against bums in the east
Chokic stole 2 of those mvps
Shout out to Nick for losing like 20-30lbs
Them boys got the arena hotboxxed tf up lmaoooo😭🤣🤣
it doesn't take skill to be faster than someone else, but it does take skill to play basketball at higher speeds...
1986 Celtics = The Beautiful Game ... That's Playing the Game at High Speeds & High Skills ... High Skills Changes Tempos At Will ...
What you mean it doesn't take skill to be faster? Of course it takes skill.
We can’t be serious right now 😂
Bron was 27 when JJ barea cooked him and the Mavs let him brick wide open Jumpers and was losing to Dwight Howard in a weak East at 25. The West has been Tougher Lukas entire career and this is his 2nd conf fon trip. Luka better
Stop the bronsense.
@@IknowMoreThanYouno one is stupid enough to believe that🤣
They did serious bruh. Nasty business.
@@IknowMoreThanYoustop the bronsense💯💯💯🫵🏿🔥you sir no exactly what your talking about
@@Cheezkrispies131 you're not smart enough to.
Yoo This Is Wild
Bron was 27 when JJ barea cooked him and the Mavs let him brick wide open Jumpers and was losing to Dwight Howard in a weak East at 25. The West has been Tougher Lukas entire career and this is his 2nd conf fon trip. Luka better
Stop the bronsense.
@thialhoinj1971 Luka's Superior Player ... Lebron is the Most Over-Rated Athlete of All Times / Most Over-Hyped Athlete of All-Times ... Luka's Better & Hasn't Peaked ...
@@bryanfox6726Bron Peak?🤔
skill in the ability to utilize natural talent to produce results. Not all athletic players can use it skillfully.
Stop disrepecting the GOAT. With no Elite HS program, with no Elite College program, didnt play for a professional team before gettin drafted yet had a team with Drew Gooden as the 2nd best player in the finals. Not a Kyrie irving who should be a top 75 player, weird ass haircut Drew Gooden
Hottest Take I had in high school: Drew Gooden would have a better career and be a better player than Carlos Boozer.
The GOAT is Michael Jordan.
Bron was 27 when JJ barea cooked him and the Mavs let him brick wide open Jumpers and was losing to Dwight Howard in a weak East at 25. The West has been Tougher Lukas entire career and this is his 2nd conf fon trip. Luka better
Stop the bronsense.
lol
@@IknowMoreThanYouyou copy pasting under several comments use your brain I know it hurts but try
@@RyanReed-zl3sm He was better than Boozer bro. I was a huge Drew Gooden fan. Mike Brown held back his career. Brown always told him to rebound the ball and he wouldn't get any plays run for him. Lebron, Z and Larry Hughes always had to get their shots and Drew would just get leftovers. That really pissed me off quite a lot. Drew had a good post game with a great touch on that hook shot. We also could have developed him into a 3 point shooter but nah, Potato head Mike Brown just always had Drew in the dog house partly because he has defensive lapses at times. I don't blame Drew for lapses either. I remember one of the games in Oakland Drew had many family members and friends at the game to see him play. Mike Brown gave him like single digit minutes that game. Smh
Funniest part about this shit, everybody in Gilbert’s house, but him lol 😂
Lebron was better, he often picked up the other teams best player on defense and still got numbers offensively
Bron was 27 when JJ barea cooked him and the Mavs let him brick wide open Jumpers and was losing to Dwight Howard in a weak East at 25. The West has been Tougher Lukas entire career and this is his 2nd conf fon trip. Luka better
Stop the bronsense.
@@IknowMoreThanYou18-25 idiot not 27 dumbass
No he didn’t bra💯😭and the media made excuses for him saying you can’t expect him to guard the best player and run the offense💯you out here lying🫵🏿😭
@@Dipset415 he did bro the footage is there you are lying
@@kabeperry6774 yeah the footage is there for parts of the game not most of it💯lebron was never a good on ball defender Paul George and kwahi became famous for cooking Lebron on the big stage. Don’t hit me with stats I saw the actual games
Acting like he scored 25 straight just running by everyone is crazy. Or bulldozing mfs for 25 straight points is crazy. Comparing Giannis to Young Lebron is DELUSIONAL WORK
Imagine someone said I am going pick you first because of your speed, but you have no skills. Como on Martin. Your skills were never as close as LeBron at 18
You on dope or dog food got me crying.😂
K-Mart is my favorite when he’s fired up! It’s hilarious! Best member of the arena
Loud and wrong
By the age of 25 Kobe Bryant had 3 championships, 6 All-NBA teams, 5 time All-Defense. Already had the 9 straight 40 point games streak and NBA record 12 3's. Nobody was better aged 25 and under. And that's even with a teenage Kobe coming off the bench his first two years.
Need to mention Shaq with Kobe because Shaq won a MVP and 3 finals MVP while playing with Kobe
Who went to the finals within 3 seasons of being drafted?
Weak era back then
East was ass
Then I guess Wade was better than Bron back then since Wade won before Bron…
@@ImMe20127it doesn’t work that way when it comes to bron.
Bron and is was better but y’all go off 😂
Aesthetic and Skill are 2 very different things that definitely warrant a conversation
Nigga what aesthetic? 😂😂😂 smdh
Kenyon be f’n up the vibe he be way too serious lmao smh
He was trying to stand in for Gil, and he was able to be nearly as trash.
They’re sitting there ARGUING about nothing
Facts
Honestly....I think this all has to do with Swaggy P 😂😂😂😂
@@gseric4721because swaggy know they are outrageous
Before looking at the details of their offense, the defense puts Lebron way ahead of Luka. I remember Lebron absolutely locking down an MVP (Derrick Rose) and a Hall of Fame PG (Tony Parker). People forget how incredible Lebron's defense was when he was in his prime.
Yes they do and I forgot that Lebron played a prime drose but I knew about Tony Parker. And the league was different then too
And Steph curry in finals and Jamal Murray 2020
"WE all run straight!"😂🤣🤣🤣😅😂
10:22 killed me
Kenyon then said go look at the Detroit game when Bron dropped 25 straight..Crazy thing about that is half of those points came off of jumpshots
Yall really talking about this 🤦🏾 👑
Running fast is a skill yall slow everything done on the nba court is a SKILL!
It's like saying bolt not skilled but he is fast 😂😂, poeple are glorifying wemby even his skills are worst than Brandon. Miller but that skill for a 7ft4 it's out of this world. This why poeple say Iverson the best p4p player if you take off height.
Facts everything is a skill local motor or motor 😂😂 but Wait wait Wemby is not human don’t put Brandon miller in the same sentence lol!
@@zellgierspoint4577 i think you didn't get the point. Why poeple would take Bron over pg13 even if pg handle better shot better? Better on 1vs1. If we do it like 2k rating I prefer have a 7ft with 84 overall than 6ft 94 overall. Wemby is an alien because of his skills on his body. If he was 6ft5 you think he still alien?
They really said speed and jumping high isn’t a skill. If you can improve on it it’s a skill.
not really its a physical attribute,dribbling shooting passing those are skills
Bron was 27 when JJ barea cooked him and the Mavs let him brick wide open Jumpers and was losing to Dwight Howard in a weak East at 25. The West has been Tougher Lukas entire career and this is his 2nd conf fon trip. Luka better
Stop the bronsense.
It’s not skill you can see Luka isn’t the fastest can’t jump the highest but he manages to score at a crazy rate
@@IknowMoreThanYou what does that have to do with the video? Stop trying so hard.
@@Freddy-kw5hq so, something one person can do, that others can’t would be called a skill.
Why they putting a dumb ass tweet up for this topic. They should be embarrassed by this. Lebron his fourth year had carried a team to a finals. He didn't need a kyrie to save his ass
Exactly, with no kyrie Luka would be ass
@@jhonagha6279
Bron was 27 when JJ barea cooked him and the Mavs let him brick wide open Jumpers and was losing to Dwight Howard in a weak East at 25. The West has been Tougher Lukas entire career and this is his 2nd conf fon trip. Luka better
Stop the bronsense.
Lebron lost in the finals with Wade and Bosh to JJ Barrea and another white European guy named Dirk. Tf are you talking about.
@@brxndaveli5834 JJ barea was the starting of on that team and dirk is not a hall of famer? No weirdo with no bball IQ, tf you talking about?
He had to carry or chose to carry?
Luka nowhere near better than bron at 25 😭😂😂
The thing is Bron been doing this for 20yrs but Luka doing his thing. He's gonna be in the conversation one day...
Not with LeBron.
@@JerichoCastille He's Far Past That Already ... He's Going to Be Really Great ...
@@JerichoCastilleLuka is better than Lebron. The true successor to kobe and MJ
@@agayactornamedmichaeldougl6289Stay off the drugs
@@agayactornamedmichaeldougl6289 Ridiculous.
If Luka wins a finals mvp that beats two regular season mvps
OK? And LeBron has 2 all defensive 1st teams and was runner up DPOY. Which Luka doesn’t have any convo in. Not to mention Luka has Kyrie Irving assisting him. LeBrons best scoring teammate when he was 22 years old and had his first finals appearance was Larry Hughes…. Who averaged 11 points in the playoffs 🤦🏾♂️
LeBron was carrying his entire team on his back as a 22-year-old. LeBron James at 25 was better than Luka. It is not even a debate
Lebron never had help that equlivelnt of lamelo taking charollote to nba finals buddy hello no and Luka game wouldn't be the best in 2000s lol toughest era he would still be great but no
4x Final MVP. I know talking the age 25 but relax my guy. 10 Finals appearance. 4x League MVP. Are you stupid. Luka idolized Lebron. That's a FACT. That was his favorite player. Luka even got autograph Lebron shoes and Jersey
@@studentofthesaviors.o.sSo why did he lose when he made a super team? He had 2 top 10 players in his team.
@@laxus6442 irrelevant to the argument. The argument is by the age of 25 what they accomplished and who was better. LeBron did not go to Miami until he was 26.
Only cap that makes Rashad head not big.
Funniest part was Rashad disagreeing with the fact everyone was happy he wasn't going to pull a Skip Bayless and try to by 2% right.
I think he thought about the jump Bron took when he was in Miami. The man went from an all-time great to the goat
Bro really? These the type of convos my and my niggas have and we ain’t never played pro ball ever😭.
Luka don't even play defense yo😐. You can't compare the 2.
Luka can play defense when he wants to
@@LeetraviusMcKay-q6m yeah. But he will never be All Defense. Lebron already had two 1st team all defense at that age.
It's no comparison.
@@LeetraviusMcKay-q6mand that’s the problem.
Offensively luka is more skilled specially at that age and its not close.
@@johnsepulvedacruz6428 Well, the question was " who was a better player at that age".
And since Lebron had a scoring title, 2 First team all defense spots, amongst all the other accolades. It's clear that he was the superior player.
Basketball is played on 2 ends. And Lebron is still a better defender at 40 than Luka is at his age.
Who went to the finals within 3 seasons of being drafted
**4 seasons**
one was already mvp and in finals wining it all at age 18 :) Euroleague isnt little piece of cake buddy. Luka was in Western conference finals in his 3d year. Also Luka's stats are better in all departments at the same number of games played so he's on a pace to do it everything faster. Bron was a monster DNA wise but Luka is god compared skill wise.
They got swept
Hakeem
If Bron went into the Euro league at 18 he'd have multiple trophies by 25. Brah gtfoh with this take lmao. @@DaveHaze
The only thing he said in tweet that was true. It’s not even close Lebron >>> Luka
Luka's Clearly Better, Better in Every Aspect of Offense, Better Rebounder, Higher IQ, Much More Clutch and not as far behind on d as you'd like to believe ... get over it ...
Rashad was trying his hardest to hate on Lebron lol
Imagine if prime Bron didn't play defense. He'd be putting up 40 pt triple doubles lol
Facts
he doesnt play defence
@@onlyfacts3178 current Bron doesn't play defense. Prime Bron was an absolute menace.
@@nathanielmorgan3592 PRIME MENACE?? he was leaving his man alone to get rebounds...
@@nathanielmorgan3592 WAS HE ??? 0,4 more steals and 0,2 more blocks..WOW a MENACE 🤣🤣
I’m from Cleveland and the same high school league as LeBron . LeBron was phenomenally skilled in high school and beyond they have to stop . In high school he did everything . They are hating on him .
so i wonder why his first seasons he lost all those skills hahahahahah
@@onlyfacts3178 how so
Luka was snubed MVP in NBA,thats number 1.Number 2 Luka WAS MVP and champion in euroleague when he was 18,that got to worth something.Number 3,he was also champion of Europe with Slovenia,which is by no means an easy task,crazy good european teams!Number 4,who has better numbers?And the most important thing-what if he wins nba ring this year?Because they beat twolves easily?hmm..Who is better by 25 then?Did Lebron have a chip by then?Or did he win his first chip when 28?.
Imagine if Bron entered the league at an even earlier age, which he very well could have if it was possible.
Luka’s jumpshot was way better than Bron’s ugly a$$ brick shot
Truee
LeBron drives fifty times better than Luka's drives
Yes it takes skill to be faster lol. Sometimes we think Lebron just narturally that fast he played football and gained skills to be that quick
Crazy how uneducated these people are on what is happening in the league that they played in!
All I could sit here n think.. this like the podcast for the dumb nba players
@@Daitroit this and club 520 like the flunkie group 😂 we call em held back lmfao
@@andrewchester3527 😂man cus it’s no way these mfs say the stuff they do lmao
Nick said “you on dope or dogfood” I’m using that one 🤣🤣
no one ever compared james harden to Lebron all these years and thats who Luka is most comparable to.
I said the same thing 😂
They dont even play the same
@@jonnstewart2023 the narratives and who people like always lead to hypocrisy and mistruths. they say they hate flopping when its bron or harder but jokic murray luka flop and cry all game and its cool and acceptable or gets explained away
Imo luka better then bron at age 25. LeBron was good was was called lechoke in clutch. Luka has killer mentality. All the stats are also on side of luka
The no defense stats? Oh forgot defense never matters
Is this some sort of sick joke? Come on yall lebron was guarding 1-5 this isnt close
It takes SKILL to apply speed to the game of basketball... it's not running in a straight line. Cmon
Theres not a single other player in nba history that carries that cavs team to the finals.
Jordan and he wouldn't have took seven games lol
@@luxeairfreshener1235 He had 7 years to do it with a trash team. Got nowhere until he had the best players in the league on his team. Stop it.
@@luxeairfreshener1235 Jordan's first 3 seasons were first round exits 😂 the bulls were 9th in the east when they got mj. the cavs were a 17 win team and 15th when they got lebron 😂
I hope he’s bringing Pippen with him.
and the Cavs won in 6