McCants has that fish brain, forgets what he said 2 minutes prior and his takes are simply retarded. Reminds me of a young Skip bayless. 0 iq dude doing podcasts nonstop
It's not always dumb...if your a bron fan your definitely not gonna agree with him..but he' says alot facts that us people feel the same about.. Young people don't know their history
@@BucketHat_T just because they lost the finals that means everything even though they lost it was still the best team in basketball the first three years there was very successful without kd so…🤷🏾♂️
@@757bigj doesn’t matter. They were still very successful when the championships without Kd and knocked him out that’s like LeBron joining the Boston Celtics.
you sound like one of those folks who hate to admit that bron handles/foot work/ creative moves/ dunk contest/ and aura on the court was nothin like MJ & Kobe
@@coreythomas3633 skill set skill set not stat pad’ bro FG% wow this is the weakest era of defense’ NBA owners forces refs not to reward Defensive players’ Jordan played In hardest if you were born yesterday you wouldn’t no
@@coreythomas3633 do you know when folks mentioned KOBE & MJ they say poetry in motion / Wizardry/ Footwork/ Ball handle/ how smooth they are’ do you not no this’ Bron fans hate to admit how stiff he is ‘ bullying his way to whole because his size ‘ what moves an finest he has that stands out illl wait
That Kyrie line at the end really debunked all that skill shit. There are a lot of players that more SKILLED than some of the best all time. But, the best all time just took care of business at a level that skill alone can’t get you to.
And people’s bias is the reason why lebron doesn’t have more MVPs. Old heads who cherish Mike deliberately vote for other players so 👑 couldn’t have more than Mike. No way in hell that lebron doesn’t have more than 4 MVPs. Clearly a bias
yes, exactly. I truly do not understand why people can't just come to the conclusion that there is a huge difference between your favorite and the objective best.@@minhn2888
@@minhn2888Michael had at least 2 MVPs stolen. Karl Malone got one and Charles Barkley had the other one. Nash and Nowitzki stole MVPs that could've been Bron's. You're right. It was because they wanted white MVPs. Not hate for Bron. The criteria for GOAT is subjective and personal and that's fine. For some it's Kareem. It all depends on what you value in a basketball player. But there are very few players we can consider GOAT. Jordan, Kobe, Lebron, Kareem, Russell, Curry, Hakeem and now, Jokic is quietly joining that conversation.
Only 3 people belong in the goat debate and that's Kareem, Jordan, and Bron. All other suggestions are dumb and biased, whether your just a Lakers fan (Kobe and magic debators) or just a fucking old man (wilt and Bill debators)
I wish he lasted long enough to say this bullshit to bron when he was playing 😂😂😂 he would never say none of this on camera. Only players I seen hate on that man on tape is the Celtics dudes but even they gave him more respects than dude lmao
Mccants....Kobe is on record saying he wanted to pass MJ in championships and is something that he told everyone, his trainer, along with Shaq, everyone. What the fuck is this man on?
McCants active him and kobe were real close. He b saying some bulpshit. He goes on about KG being his big dawg OG. But don't even got a KG autographed jersey... fukkn 🤡
And that is exactly it in a nutshell. Kareem knows this. He said you can not define one GOAT, because everyone played different eras, teammates, competition, different coaches, different rules, etc. If Kareem, Magic, Bird, Mike, Kobe, etc played in a culture that rewarded stat chasing and accepted “well, he won rings by teaming up with every new shiny All-NBA player”, then they’d have numbers too. The shit boils down to what narrative each person values. You like longevity and numbers you can point to, that’s Bron. You like the ability to do it on your own, that’s Kobe. You like just winning, that’s Mike. You like dominance, that’s Shaq. Etc. GOAT debates just can not be won.
exactly! being the goat is not about scoring the most career points. nobody was calling Kareem the goat when he had that title. but i give Lebron his credit for doing that and being healthy his whole career but Durant sat out for damn near 2 seasons. so impossible for him to reach that. Durant has a higher PPG career average than lebron.. but Jordan and Wilt tied for highest career ppg. like it’s so many factors. You have to look at everything. Jordan has the most accolades in NBA history so he’s the goat imo, and the most exciting to watch.
@@penkima4923 he's essentially saying that Kevin Durant is a better player because of "move-set" but then he breaks down that moves set into just scoring. It's more about basketball than just putting the ball through the hoop
@@corpyhogan4433i mean would you break down “move set” into defense and rebounds? No. His argument is more so in terms of skills and ability there's not really a goat player who can match him.
@@FF-KillThemAlll 🤔 Plenty of ppl had Kareem as the goat, before Jordan. In fact in many ppls list the top 3 are Mj, Bron, and Kareem. With that being said KD is great, but not in the greatest of all time debate
Gil, here's an idea. Do it like a test and pass out those same numbers without any names on the paper, past it out and have them to circle either player A, B, C, D, then see how many of the crew have the same player circle
I think you are leaving out a lot of things... Theres a lot that contribute that dont appear in the box score. Wemby s a good example of this (not that he is somewhat close to the goat debate) but thanks to Wemby, there are a lot of shots not being taken, lots of bad shots being taken. Curry is another example, thanks to his gravity, how many points his teammates scored ? Thats not showed but are very important
@jwg0814 This topic was on who they considered the GOAT. Gil read off 4 or 5 different players' stats without saying who the players were. All I'm suggesting is use that same metric and give each one a paper on it. Let them circle the one player who they think is the GOAT. So if McCants says player A (Kobe) is the GOAT, but if he circles another player, then we know McCants is not believing in his own words.
@jeffreylanier222 any basketball minded player knows who they are without saying the name KD was the 1st person he name kobe was the player with 12 1st team defensive team lebron was the one with 4 finals mvps and Jordan was the 1 with a dpoy
@WayneWilcots you will be surprised who doesn't. The point will be see if those who say who their goat is, you should be able to match that person name with his stats.
Kobe proved to nba he can win back to back championship with a center that avg 17ppg has lebron ever won a championship without a 20 and 10 player or even a player than avg less than 23 ppg as his second the answer is no, that's the reason he went dwade, a reason he went kyrie and reason he had ad traded. Everyone thought that kobe couldnt win without shaq and he went on to win with no allstar no top 75 player.
@@JREAM302 I'm with you in this my guy, the 2008-2010 run is one of the most hardest runs + the first 3 peat, Shaq's pts differential in 01 is 1pt and 1.9 in 02, hence destroying the sidekick narrative
Honestly bron ain't in the convo. He dont behave like a great. Not a killer mentally. Cries like a broad 99% of the time. He's not a goat convo participant with real fans and ball intellects. MJ is goat. Therfor it isn't debatable. Now we can talk about greatest players. But there is only one goat. And its MJ. Debate over who #2 is lol. Cause #1 was decided 😌
Who would've thought we'd find a rival for Skip Bayless on who hates on Bron more but here we are. Trying to downplay Bron going to 8 straight finals is laughable. You literally have a different iteration of a team each season while also doing that between 2 franchises.
@@SirCraigSupaTightyou’re lost brother just like people like you who just regurgitate talking points they hear on tv instead of thinking for themselves.
@@versatillion15They play differently. Kyrie has better handles. Other than that, impact wise, finishing, shooting, Off ball movement.... Steph is better at everything. Sure Kyrie finishes stylishly but they're both equally efficient in paint.
Been saying this… Your career is your RESUME, at work you don’t put your downfalls in there. And for some reason we seem to ignore all the negatives of retired players in the debate. It’s an imbalanced comparison, so you need to weigh up all positives. The players that stack up at the top 2, THEN we can start weighing negatives to see the GOAT
@tydon_23 you have to account the 6 nba finals losses across the board not vs mj but vs kobe, duncan, Kareem etc etc. Only reason LeBron fans want only the positive because if you bring in the negative its no way he's top 5 ruining their agenda
@@melgoatMJ 6-0 IS OVERRATED IT NOT A INDIVIDUAL SPORT IT A TEAMSPORT. MJ had the better head coach and team. Had to QUIT TWICE because he couldn't get pass the first round. WITHOUT SCOTTIE OR PHILL JACKSON. phill Jackson won 5 CHIPS WITHOUT MJ. Mj QUITE because he couldn't win without Scottie and phill. OVVERATED 6-0 FINALS RECORD A WEAK ARGUMENT. None of those TEAMS MJ FACE. was better than dynasty spurs and dynasty warrior. MAVS SWEPT KOBE COMING OFF A CHIP,beat OKC kd thunder and a good Portland team. Stop it,LEBRON THE GOAT.
Wtf is mccants talking about? Your Kobe GOAT argument can’t be “He’s a bad mf, we never seen anybody do what he did.” We actual did see it from the guy he literally copy and pasted his game from in MJ. There isn’t a single replicated thing in this world that is better than the original. Not a cereal, chip, painting, diamond, game
McCants plays the role of the sensitive and defensive contrarian; he usually draws in strawman arguments about feelings and disrespect and so on. He doesn’t offer much if any intellectual input, he’s simply just a jester and dancing and talking head. Otherwise I pray for his soul and may god have mercy upon the people around him.
BRANDON JENNINGS SAID YOU CANT BE THE GOAT IF NIGGAS DIDNT WANNA FUCK WITH YOU OFF THE COURT...THAT AUTOMATICALLY TAKES KOBE OUT THE CONVERSATION.,.....NO NBA PLAYER WANTED TO HANG WITH KOBE OFF THE COURTS .ALL OF HIS TEAMMATES CONFIRMED ... ESPECIALLY AFTER HE SNITCHED ON SHAQ
I love the combinations of takes from these guys, but in an argument Gil is the only one that keeps his ground. McCants is the person that makes assumptions instead of showing the ability to express to someone who doesn’t just SEE what he means.
Ain’t Gil the same dude who said they don’t look at stats and accomplishments they look at the game so that makes mj the goat but then uses stats and accomplishments to make a case for lebron
This is the only comment that needs to be made. As a Timberwolves fan, I apologize to the rest of the NBA community for giving this jackass a reason to be on ANY basketball podcast. He should've never been drafted and there's a reason he flamed out of the league. What a fuckin clown.
I was just about to say this!!! He needs basketball intellectuals on the couch for season 3. I’m so tired of seeing people who can’t string together a reasonable argument for the life of me. They sound just as idiotic as the people on ESPN. Gil is the only person who always seems to put some serious thought into his arguments. I’m legit dying to see people like Amin ElHassan make an appearance on this show. It would catapult this podcast into the stratosphere I swear.
@@LeetraviusMcKay-q6mGil may be inconsistent but it’s not from a place of hate. Rashad is just hating at this point. And his tales are just outlandish because he’s too focused on being that guy to bring chaos instead of actually debating the point.
@@Bude_Jellinghamit really will. You don’t have to agree with Gil to make a point. Rashad has become too lost in the sauce and constantly has to up himself and his wild takes
'Dr. J', Julius Erving was the first player with a shoe deal with Converse, the same year that he became the NBA's highest-paid player, his first year with the New Jersey Nets. He was the most exciting, electrifying, and my favorite player. I saw Dr. J do the things Jordan and others since do athletically...but in the 1970's. He dunked from the free throw line in the 1st NBA dunk contest, which he won against some serious dunkers. He did that routinely in games as a Virginia Squire. He was black excellence on the court and in public.
It baffles me how ppl don’t use stats to back your argument. It doesn’t have to your entire argument but it can help. Example: if you say a man is a great scorer and then say he averaged 30ppg then that stats supports your argument They throw out actual concrete evidence for ‘feelings’ which are subjective and vary based on the individual
What McCants is trying to say is he loves Kobe style and that makes him number one just keep it real bro. Made the game look easy. I don’t think he ever had a 50% season stop the cat he had Hella swag just keep it real.
Joining GSW is not what killed the KD GOAT convo. It's that you decided to join Kyrie and ain't done ish in your career since you left GSW. If you had 5 rings right now the convo would be diff.
Cowards Kobe not even close he is a fan favorite. God bless him and what happen. Kobe Goat heart all day !! KD sit back… Jordan Kareem Lebron everyone else second tier. Bottom line. 2nd tier the rest of the others Kobe Lebron yes I mentioned him twice. Duncan shaq man go down the line
2 seasons he played less than 20 games so he really “played” 13 full seasons. And those 2 seasons with the Wizards was just recreational lol. So 11 seasons, 6 rings. Jordan math 101
GOAT'S are determined by all factors of the game accolades are a bulk of it but personality plays a key if you're going to be considered this generations 🐐 right now It's LeBron and he's still playing so KD may be 4th or 5th behind Joker and Embid
To answer the original question... "FUCK NO! there's no way in hell KD is in the GOAT Debate nor conversation"! Resume/Accomplishment, skill set, & how you fared against your contemporaries in your own era. Magic dominated the 80's (7 Finals Appearances), MJ dominated the 90's (6 Finals Appearances "Undefeated"), Kobe dominated the 2000's (7 FInals Appearances "5Rings"), LBJ dominated the 2010's (9 Finals Appearances) THATS dominance of an era. WTF has KD done except lose to LBJ, get smacked by Steph 73-9 GSW, win w/those GSW & do jack s*** since by himself!? where TF was the SUSTAINED DOMNINACE & GREATNESS to be in this discussion or debated!!!?
lol why the fuck are you bringing up finals appearances as that is the bench mark for an accomplishment? wtf lol? might as well put in who went to the first round or 2nd round. Only lebron nut huggers bring up finals appearances as if it means shit.
I saw that as Buddy being grounded and humble, not trying to take the spotlight like in other shows where you see the host or moderators trying to insert their comments. Buddy was like " Hey Gil, this is your show. I will do whatever I can to support you"
@@AlmightyDerrickRosecan’t lead an actual team the golden state warriors team wasn’t really his team he was just the most talented on that team it’s a difference he has to show that he can put them boys on his back one time and make it up that mountain
@@SilentmoneykalWell that's an a invalid argument perpetuated by the media. Let's break it down, he's played for 4 teams. Okc was a finals team and multi wcf finals team so he led that team. Gsw was a finals team kd was fmvp twice. Bk didn't go well and phx just started. So 2 of the teams he was on he led to aat least the finals…and yes the finals matters because even Jimmy butler gets credit for “leading” the heat. So realistically the only valid example you have of him not being able to led a team is Brooklyn. 3 years out of a 15 year career where he made the finals multiple times. Cus gsw were on pave to 3 peat, okc was a finals team, and phx literally just assembled and haven't played a full season together.
Jennings had the best response I've ever heard "imma wait until LeBron and Steph retire" everybody so quick to count them out but they still putting great numbers up. And the heat were not a super team idc what anybody say. That team wins 0 rings without LeBron. A super team means you can take out any one person and still win. You take out wade or Bosh maybe they have a chance. You take out Bron not even making the finals.
The heat wasn’t a super team you said 😂😂😂 4 HOF in the prime 😂 what’s the difference between warriors and heat? Coz bron better than kd wade arguably better than klay and bosh definitely better than green and ray Allen just as good of a shooter as Steph so what are you talking about 😂 and that heat team had a better bench charmers was no scrub
Bron lovers swear he never had a super team. Look up bosh and wades numbers before bron. Top 3 in their respective positions 😭😭. Ofc they dropped bc you have a ball dominant player on your team now. Which they were that guy before teaming up. When they beat the thunder. It was not even close in terms of teams. Shouldn’t have lost to the Mavs but bron choked. Beat the spurs. No trash team beats that spurs team
Nah I didn’t like his response honestly. He can say who his goat is and say but honestly there’s 2 guys possibly 3 that may change my mind when they are done.
His response was dumb and a nonanswer. He can have a GOAT of the retired guys without including Bron or Steph. What if Jokic wins 5 straight right now, is he not gonna have an opinion then either? Lol
Exactly bro and it's so frustrating that people don't want to see it simply cause they on Jordans jock!! And want to call us brobsexuals but they don't notice how much Jordan in they throat, whenever u put shoe sales in the debate shows how brainwashed they are
The answer is no. Separate the accomplishments and accolades that make up the difference between MJ and KD, and you have a top 10 player of all time. At some point it can’t just be about how deep your “bag” is
Man wearin the crown got the craziest takes ive every heard. “LEBRON AINT A BAD MFER” like what? Im a boston fan and i hate lebron, but that man is THE GOAT.
When people say skills, they mean dribbling, shooting on all three levels; such as layups, midrange, and 3’s. It’s really who has the prettiest game. I think they should refer to that as a “skillful scorer” instead of just “skills.” That's the best way to end the confusion because every part of basketball is a skill.
and really, they mostly mean midrange jumpers. lebron's dribbling is better than anyone his size and comparable to the best shooting guards ever. he's had seasons where he's shot over 70% on layups, which is just absurd. he's got deeper shooting range than mj or kobe and is more consistent than either. it's literally just the midrange, which is fine, but it'd be nice if ppl were just honest about that
@@Cheezkrispies131 i mean jordan barely shot 3’s and was a slasher and kobe was really a jumpshooter more than anything. So while you are correct the percentage difference is like 1 percent. But i dont know if i would make a big deal out of that. Kobe compared to like steph makes more sense. Jordan id say its more fair.
This has nothing to do with the segment, but Embiid is absolutely cooking Wembanyama right now. Dude has 59 at this moment with a whole 4th to go lol. the GOAT will be decided by the last human in existence...if they even care.
Why Jennings giving such a pussified passive aggressive answer. Watch him closely that first 2:30 seconds he looks scared to answer. It’s simple: Jordan, LeBron, Kareem, Magic, Shaq/Kobe, Duncan, Bird, Hakeem, Wade.
imagine Kobe's mentality in Shaq's body. Shaq was dominant, but Kobe would have never turned it down at all. Shaq was like Wilt, imo. Incredibly dominant but also too nice a guy at times.
I’m tired of the them comparing KD going to a 72 win Warriors team to LeBron going to a not even in the playoffs Heat team there is no comparison it’s not the same period
@@MikeBNumba6I mean. Okay. I got someone that's going to take me to the finals damn near guaranteed in his prime. KD is liable to be spanked by a man named Steph Curry....
@@Wolverinebj3 I gotcha: he played in the 60s & he wasn’t the best offensive player but it’s hard to overlook 11 chips in 13 years & he was goin up against wilt a lot of those years in the playoffs & we know how he was as an individual
BRANDON JENNINGS SAID YOU CANT BE THE GOAT IF NIGGAS DIDNT WANNA FUCK WITH YOU OFF THE COURT...THAT AUTOMATICALLY TAKES KOBE OUT THE CONVERSATION.,.....NO NBA PLAYER WANTED TO HANG WITH KOBE OFF THE COURTS .ALL OF HIS TEAMMATES CONFIRMED ... ESPECIALLY AFTER HE SNITCHED ON SHAQ
@@sosaraycharles358 not to mention he coached the team while playing on it to win the last 2 chips lol. i understand ppl keeping him out bc of how much the league changed, but if you're gonna consider him, it's hard to not have him as the goat imo (i'd also argue that magic and timmy have better goat cases than ppl think)
@@sosaraycharles358it becomes a bit less impressive when he played against the same 10 teams. It’d be easy to continue winning once you’ve won and the competition didn’t change or get better. Magic deserves a mention and the guy who averaged 40ppg for a month with a torn labrum-Kobe Bean
If stats/numbers don't matter then why even keep score?! Lets just lace em up and play till fatigue sets in and determine the winner based off how they looked 🤷
Bruh that is the dumbest argument I have heard in 2024. I'm dead serious. Stats are the proof of you getting it done. According to his logic, Shaq aint a good player. He mainly used his size and strength to bully guys in a way no other player could do so you can't coach anything he did and he rarely shot from 10 ft away from the basket. Guy got no skills at all right? Then how got 2 scoring titles. Cuz his way works, thats how. Its a game not a beauty pageant
I love KD, him and Bron are my favourites players, but if he wants to be in the goat convo, we need to include Curry there too and Curry is one step above him for everything he has accomplished, no just rings, but like everyone always says he’s changed the game.
Here’s why rings won should have no place in the conversation of GOAT - no one player wins a ring by themselves. If you give Lebron and Kobe the same team mates Mike had those guys would have had won crazy as well, specifically LeBron. And I’m a Kobe fan. But LeBron with the team casting that Kobe and Mike had would have demolished the nba from his day 1 stepping on the nba court to now in his 30s. LeBron hands down is the greatest we have ever seen touch a basketball in the NBA.
@@kinasty7348Point is Lebron is what tipped the scales for the heat. KD broke the scales. Gsw were already favorites. When he joined....it was no question....
The GOAT debate will always be tiresome because it’s all subjective and there’s no true merit. I personally think we all should just appreciate the greatness of all the goat players from either era.
Not really because to say that and compare that to the LBJ Kobe argument would mean Kob was JUST skill... you can say that about Kyrie because he did nothing else but team hop and show how skillful he is. Didn't lead a team didn't win another chip he's strictly box office...Kobe was it all. He was skillful, determined, a killer and got it done with no other top 75 players after Shaq and lead his team to 3 appearances. That's beyond just skill so they argument they are trying to make is oh JUST skills matter no not just skills it's everything even beyond statsc and that's why he said why isn't Duncan your GOAT that point was to prove that all the other shit matters too how the person's game LOOKED
@@chocboiwonda6810 not really sure what you're saying but the reason why the Kyrie point killed it is because one would easily consider Kyrie more skilled than Magic and even Curry but skills, and even how it looks, is not all that matters. Not sure why you're missing that. And if you're comparing Bron & Kobe, the body of work is there to do so. Bron was never second best on his team at any time in his career, the same cannot be said for Kob. Bron's greatest teammate was Wade versus Kob's greatest teammate, SHAQ! Lol smh. I also take into account leadership in which Kobe didn't have to do for the majority of his championships if it all (Fisher was captain). Whereas Bron had the highest pressure to perform of all-time, especially in the social media era, and he still met the expectations. Understand?
@@spiritualgangstallcyes but Kobe accomplished more with less. His two rings w/o Shaq are far more impressive than Bron’s rings except for his Cleveland ring
@@lreez977 Less? Bron clearly has led some of the worst teams in history to the finals and championships, let's be honest. Except Cleveland? So you're actually saying one not two lol. Kobe against Orlando was a wash c'mon man. Also, Bron has the two hardest rings in history.
I think the issue is when people here skill, they only think about the offensive side of the ball. If we looking at everything Lebron is most skilled player in ever.
Right .... Not to discredit the Great Centers in the 60's - 80's .... but THE GOAT CONVERSATION is Jordan & LeBron ( to me ) ... Also : Greatest Team Player along with Skills is definitely LeBron.
McCants saying “LeBron & them” is wild lol
He’s hate for Bron is palpable . It’s actually beyond funny at this point lmaooo
Right? Kobe doesn't have the stats to even make top 8. Top 5 most Iconic? Absolutely.
@@OnYourSquareName 8 players better…
@@NuthinnullKobe def top 5.
Brandon Jenner literally said same exact phrase what's ur point @ 2:23
It’s truly remarkable to see how McCants can contradict himself and be totally unaware of what he’s said 2 minutes prior
He has mush Brain
He argues himself
McCants has that fish brain, forgets what he said 2 minutes prior and his takes are simply retarded. Reminds me of a young Skip bayless. 0 iq dude doing podcasts nonstop
Every episode
I don’t know why he’s on the show honestly. I feel like he makes it worse and makes people want to stop watching. At least that’s my opinion.
Gils face when McCants says dumb shit is priceless 😂
Someone has to be paying him to say all those dumb shit cause ain't no way that's all coming from his brain 🤣🤣
@@ifareagedcte
It's not always dumb...if your a bron fan your definitely not gonna agree with him..but he' says alot facts that us people feel the same about.. Young people don't know their history
@@robny716 cte in basketball is hilarious 😂😂😂😂
@@trugee5848no bruh he flat out says dumb shiii 😂
Gil explained the GOAT debate the best I've heard in a very long time!! RESPECT
Facts
Then said his goat was Kobe like what 💀
@@Kaibowls Riight.....that was unexpected
@@Kaibowlshe never said Kobe the goat lol
It's Headband rules. Lebron wearing the number 2 headband right now lol
If even Lebron got discounted for FORMING a super team for rings, then KD has no business in the GOAT convo for JOINING a 73 win team for his rings
That lost in the finals. Don’t hang rings for having the best record
KD didn't play for the 73 win warriors. Warriors went like 67-15
@@BucketHat_T just because they lost the finals that means everything even though they lost it was still the best team in basketball the first three years there was very successful without kd so…🤷🏾♂️
@@757bigj doesn’t matter. They were still very successful when the championships without Kd and knocked him out that’s like LeBron joining the Boston Celtics.
Bron didn't start it.....BOSTON did
The amount of hate that Lebron gets is crazy. Gil’s face when Rashad is saying something stupid is always hilarious
you sound like one of those folks who hate to admit that bron handles/foot work/ creative moves/ dunk contest/ and aura on the court was nothin like MJ & Kobe
@@princesamuels5981LEBRON HAS MORE CLUTCH SHOTS THAN MJ. and has the highest fg% and pts in the CLUTCH. 😅😅😅😅 Jordan not clutch like lebron.
@@princesamuels5981 mj 49%fg 3pt%32. LEBRON 50%FG 3PT%34%. 😂 ya be on the internet. LEBRON BETTER THAN MJ PERIOD.
@@coreythomas3633 skill set skill set not stat pad’ bro FG% wow this is the weakest era of defense’ NBA owners forces refs not to reward Defensive players’ Jordan played In hardest if you were born yesterday you wouldn’t no
@@coreythomas3633 do you know when folks mentioned KOBE & MJ they say poetry in motion / Wizardry/ Footwork/ Ball handle/ how smooth they are’ do you not no this’ Bron fans hate to admit how stiff he is ‘ bullying his way to whole because his size ‘ what moves an finest he has that stands out illl wait
The most emotional guy on the couch telling everyone don’t take it personal 😂😂
That Kyrie line at the end really debunked all that skill shit. There are a lot of players that more SKILLED than some of the best all time. But, the best all time just took care of business at a level that skill alone can’t get you to.
U right❤
Thank you.
Facts
facts, just look at the Mavs. Kyrie is the most talented guard, but Luka is better across the board. 1 on 1, Luka would torch Kyrie.
@@GottaBeMurph-V2 Both of them torched the clippers
This debate should’ve lasted less than 90 seconds because the answer is no he does not belong in the conversations.
😂😂😂
As in, I tire!!!
They all wanna be cool with nba and ex players.
Exactly right bro this was a no brainer
Not really.. same amount of mvp and finals mvp as Kobe shoots better from the floor higher ppg avg
This is a great lesson on understanding how variables work with everything. People with bias tend to change the criteria
And people’s bias is the reason why lebron doesn’t have more MVPs. Old heads who cherish Mike deliberately vote for other players so 👑 couldn’t have more than Mike. No way in hell that lebron doesn’t have more than 4 MVPs. Clearly a bias
yes, exactly. I truly do not understand why people can't just come to the conclusion that there is a huge difference between your favorite and the objective best.@@minhn2888
@@minhn2888right he could have had seven in a row rose deserved his tho
@@minhn2888Michael had at least 2 MVPs stolen. Karl Malone got one and Charles Barkley had the other one. Nash and Nowitzki stole MVPs that could've been Bron's. You're right. It was because they wanted white MVPs. Not hate for Bron.
The criteria for GOAT is subjective and personal and that's fine.
For some it's Kareem. It all depends on what you value in a basketball player. But there are very few players we can consider GOAT.
Jordan, Kobe, Lebron, Kareem, Russell, Curry, Hakeem and now, Jokic is quietly joining that conversation.
McCants really has to be on this show for shock value only 😂😂😂
Definitely
Facts😅
Facts!
He needs to be fired
Facts
I'm glad Gil stood on bizness in this one. The GOAT is THE 1, the debate is the one chasing them. The 1 is subjective, the conversation isn't.
Lebron chasing MJ.
Cool everyone else chases lebron@@liquidjackson7172
That’s not true at all because top 5 can vary depending on who you ask
McCants gotta be trolling. His takes is off the wall.
McCants and Brandon really sound like they don’t know shit about basketball
Of course Brandon had to mention curry...
Some dudes are paid to just say something crazy for the algorithm
Only 3 people belong in the goat debate and that's Kareem, Jordan, and Bron. All other suggestions are dumb and biased, whether your just a Lakers fan (Kobe and magic debators) or just a fucking old man (wilt and Bill debators)
@evannatland5151 I agree with you but unfortunately they won't have Kareem on there because he's a center.
To say Lebron is not a bad dude is insane lmao like his game or not, you cannot deny that Bron is cold af.
I wish he lasted long enough to say this bullshit to bron when he was playing 😂😂😂 he would never say none of this on camera. Only players I seen hate on that man on tape is the Celtics dudes but even they gave him more respects than dude lmao
Skip bayless vibes !
There’s levels tho. Bron don’t have the skill set of a MJ or Kobe.
@@jonjoe89shaq don’t have the skillset of Allen iverson but who you taking?
@@jonjoe89and I agree bron not AS skilled as Mike or Kobe. Just saying he can still be considered better or a “bad man”
Mccants....Kobe is on record saying he wanted to pass MJ in championships and is something that he told everyone, his trainer, along with Shaq, everyone. What the fuck is this man on?
And would have ‼️if it wasn't for Shaq being lazy and Tim Duncan winning 5
McCants active him and kobe were real close. He b saying some bulpshit. He goes on about KG being his big dawg OG. But don't even got a KG autographed jersey... fukkn 🤡
They were talkn points, idiot.
At this point Rashad is just playing into his heel role on the show. His patterning himself into Skip Bayless
@@SirCraigSupaTightthen if Shaq wasn't lazy and won more rings with Kobe , Shaq would be the goat not kobe
At this point I think McCant-Get-Right is trolling us and everyone on the show is in on it😅
Me too! It’s “Content”!!
McCants was literally making no sense in this debate
He can have a point and then .... makes a u turn in the middle of the logical highway 🛣
McCants never makes sense its like arguing wit a girl they won't give up they jus keep moving the goal post
He never does 😂
This dude McCant just be talkin loud with no point 😅
Bro, I thought I'm the only one who notice he argues like a 6th grader. No evidence or sport facts.
Rashad McCant referring to accolades as statistics is nasty.
I like how Gil has a comeback for every point
Never thought I’d see Gilbert with such an accurate take but when he said you’ll always contradict yourself, that was the best part of the video
And that is exactly it in a nutshell. Kareem knows this. He said you can not define one GOAT, because everyone played different eras, teammates, competition, different coaches, different rules, etc.
If Kareem, Magic, Bird, Mike, Kobe, etc played in a culture that rewarded stat chasing and accepted “well, he won rings by teaming up with every new shiny All-NBA player”, then they’d have numbers too.
The shit boils down to what narrative each person values. You like longevity and numbers you can point to, that’s Bron. You like the ability to do it on your own, that’s Kobe. You like just winning, that’s Mike. You like dominance, that’s Shaq. Etc.
GOAT debates just can not be won.
McCant’s argument for Kevin Durant was horrible.
Wasn't that horrible, if you won't even say the argument.
exactly! being the goat is not about scoring the most career points. nobody was calling Kareem the goat when he had that title. but i give Lebron his credit for doing that and being healthy his whole career but Durant sat out for damn near 2 seasons. so impossible for him to reach that. Durant has a higher PPG career average than lebron.. but Jordan and Wilt tied for highest career ppg. like it’s so many factors. You have to look at everything. Jordan has the most accolades in NBA history so he’s the goat imo, and the most exciting to watch.
@@penkima4923 he's essentially saying that Kevin Durant is a better player because of "move-set" but then he breaks down that moves set into just scoring.
It's more about basketball than just putting the ball through the hoop
@@corpyhogan4433i mean would you break down “move set” into defense and rebounds? No. His argument is more so in terms of skills and ability there's not really a goat player who can match him.
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Plenty of ppl had Kareem as the goat, before Jordan. In fact in many ppls list the top 3 are Mj, Bron, and Kareem.
With that being said KD is great, but not in the greatest of all time debate
Gil, here's an idea. Do it like a test and pass out those same numbers without any names on the paper, past it out and have them to circle either player A, B, C, D, then see how many of the crew have the same player circle
I think you are leaving out a lot of things... Theres a lot that contribute that dont appear in the box score. Wemby s a good example of this (not that he is somewhat close to the goat debate) but thanks to Wemby, there are a lot of shots not being taken, lots of bad shots being taken. Curry is another example, thanks to his gravity, how many points his teammates scored ? Thats not showed but are very important
@jwg0814 This topic was on who they considered the GOAT. Gil read off 4 or 5 different players' stats without saying who the players were. All I'm suggesting is use that same metric and give each one a paper on it. Let them circle the one player who they think is the GOAT. So if McCants says player A (Kobe) is the GOAT, but if he circles another player, then we know McCants is not believing in his own words.
@jeffreylanier222 any basketball minded player knows who they are without saying the name KD was the 1st person he name kobe was the player with 12 1st team defensive team lebron was the one with 4 finals mvps and Jordan was the 1 with a dpoy
Unfortunately even some casuals can guess correctly who’s who. So that wouldn’t work but I love the idea
@WayneWilcots you will be surprised who doesn't. The point will be see if those who say who their goat is, you should be able to match that person name with his stats.
I'm a Kobe fan but Mccants argument that Bron is not in the convo is crazy
MJ Kobe and Bron in the argument, Steph is in there with the old Goat convo guys with Bird Magic KAJ Shaq Tim, Wilt and Bill
LeBron’s in the conversation but he’s always second
Kobe proved to nba he can win back to back championship with a center that avg 17ppg has lebron ever won a championship without a 20 and 10 player or even a player than avg less than 23 ppg as his second the answer is no, that's the reason he went dwade, a reason he went kyrie and reason he had ad traded. Everyone thought that kobe couldnt win without shaq and he went on to win with no allstar no top 75 player.
@@JREAM302 I'm with you in this my guy, the 2008-2010 run is one of the most hardest runs + the first 3 peat, Shaq's pts differential in 01 is 1pt and 1.9 in 02, hence destroying the sidekick narrative
Honestly bron ain't in the convo. He dont behave like a great. Not a killer mentally. Cries like a broad 99% of the time. He's not a goat convo participant with real fans and ball intellects. MJ is goat. Therfor it isn't debatable. Now we can talk about greatest players. But there is only one goat. And its MJ. Debate over who #2 is lol. Cause #1 was decided 😌
Gil was spot on with this!! My boy prepared his argument like a lawyer!! Well thought out!!..
McCants hate lebron so much.
Seems personal
No he don’t he just think Kobe better
@@Saviiqa lot of kobe fans are closet Lebron haters
@lorddj9910 this is all based on opinion ... stats or not. You like who you like 👍🏾 👌
Lebron didn't sign his sons jersey in 2009 he hasn't let go
McCants is talking in circles contradicting himself and doesn’t even realize it😂😂😂
No that’s Gil acting like he don’t know what skill is but then turned around and said Tim Duncan is more skilled and everything
@@SELFMADEMILLS-500sportboth of them was talking in circles but Gil deff contradicted himself 🤣
McCants don’t have to many live brain cells lol
Explain??
@@SELFMADEMILLS-500sporthe said duncan wasn't skilled. He thinks "skill" is just bad shot selection. Not really helpful in picking the best players
Who would've thought we'd find a rival for Skip Bayless on who hates on Bron more but here we are. Trying to downplay Bron going to 8 straight finals is laughable. You literally have a different iteration of a team each season while also doing that between 2 franchises.
No body is hating boy 😂😂 he made eight straight finals in the east playing against Kyle Lowry every year 😭😭
@@SirCraigSupaTightyou’re lost brother just like people like you who just regurgitate talking points they hear on tv instead of thinking for themselves.
Weaker conference
@@SirCraigSupaTight lemme guess you don't count the bubble ring because your iq is disgustingly low too?
@@SudosaiyajinWeak excuses
Josiah got the best out of any conversation... "I am merely a host" 🤣
The Kyrie analogy killed McCants whole argument.
Not really because you can make the argument that he’s a better player than Curry
@@versatillion15you really can’t tho.
@@versatillion15 Stay off of drugs
@@versatillion15 Still nobody got Kyrie as the best point guard so that statement irrelevant.
@@versatillion15They play differently. Kyrie has better handles. Other than that, impact wise, finishing, shooting, Off ball movement.... Steph is better at everything. Sure Kyrie finishes stylishly but they're both equally efficient in paint.
Gil's explanation on the criteria of how the GOAT debate should be debated was spot on.
Cap he keep moving the goal post
Been saying this…
Your career is your RESUME, at work you don’t put your downfalls in there.
And for some reason we seem to ignore all the negatives of retired players in the debate.
It’s an imbalanced comparison, so you need to weigh up all positives.
The players that stack up at the top 2, THEN we can start weighing negatives to see the GOAT
@tydon_23 you have to account the 6 nba finals losses across the board not vs mj but vs kobe, duncan, Kareem etc etc. Only reason LeBron fans want only the positive because if you bring in the negative its no way he's top 5 ruining their agenda
@@k-way8471😅😅😅😅 HATER
@@melgoatMJ 6-0 IS OVERRATED IT NOT A INDIVIDUAL SPORT IT A TEAMSPORT. MJ had the better head coach and team. Had to QUIT TWICE because he couldn't get pass the first round. WITHOUT SCOTTIE OR PHILL JACKSON. phill Jackson won 5 CHIPS WITHOUT MJ. Mj QUITE because he couldn't win without Scottie and phill. OVVERATED 6-0 FINALS RECORD A WEAK ARGUMENT. None of those TEAMS MJ FACE. was better than dynasty spurs and dynasty warrior. MAVS SWEPT KOBE COMING OFF A CHIP,beat OKC kd thunder and a good Portland team. Stop it,LEBRON THE GOAT.
McCants wants to replace Skip Bayless at this point 😂😂😂😂
With the horrible tales ? Facts
The old Skip fasure
this “ debate “ just made my head hurt , if you say Kevin Durant is in the GOAT debate we need a blood test no hate.
Wtf is mccants talking about? Your Kobe GOAT argument can’t be “He’s a bad mf, we never seen anybody do what he did.” We actual did see it from the guy he literally copy and pasted his game from in MJ. There isn’t a single replicated thing in this world that is better than the original. Not a cereal, chip, painting, diamond, game
Facts
KD was drafted 17 years ago in 2007...he not even the best player in his era
😂 and who is, you buggin
@@benjamingarrison4111Steph
@@mystation2683casual
Kawhi Steph and arguably giannis
@@mystation2683 nah he just a better shooter
I hope McCant is taking care of his health mentally and physically that’s all ima say.
It's all a ploy. Nobody would listen if he agreed with everything
He lost me when he said Jordan is only remembered because of his shoes as if we would forget about the guy that led teams to 2 different 3peats
McCants plays the role of the sensitive and defensive contrarian; he usually draws in strawman arguments about feelings and disrespect and so on. He doesn’t offer much if any intellectual input, he’s simply just a jester and dancing and talking head. Otherwise I pray for his soul and may god have mercy upon the people around him.
BRANDON JENNINGS SAID YOU CANT BE THE GOAT IF NIGGAS DIDNT WANNA FUCK WITH YOU OFF THE COURT...THAT AUTOMATICALLY TAKES KOBE OUT THE CONVERSATION.,.....NO NBA PLAYER WANTED TO HANG WITH KOBE OFF THE COURTS .ALL OF HIS TEAMMATES CONFIRMED ... ESPECIALLY AFTER HE SNITCHED ON SHAQ
He speaking truth Kobe was a bad mf
Gil replacing McCants with Nick Young would be the greatest upgrade in podcast history 😆🔥
😂😂😂
🧢🧢🧢 mccants with his wild takes makes this show entertaining. Without him it won’t be the same
@@ManneeyymcCants takes is trash and still hurt
@@jrharris6476you must be a Lebron fan gotta be😂
nah bad idea
Mccants really said Lebron isn’t a bad mf
Yea. He said he was COLD tho. That's a compliment
He’s cold but he don’t scare anyone
I love the combinations of takes from these guys, but in an argument Gil is the only one that keeps his ground. McCants is the person that makes assumptions instead of showing the ability to express to someone who doesn’t just SEE what he means.
Nah Gil is inconsistent
Mccants wakes up falls out of bed and lands on his head everyday
😂😂😂😂😂
McCant's shirt saying Gil Brick is wild😂😂😂
Gil look like he’s in an episode of “The whole crew stupid” iykyk😂
Man iykyk
Ain’t Gil the same dude who said they don’t look at stats and accomplishments they look at the game so that makes mj the goat but then uses stats and accomplishments to make a case for lebron
This is the only comment that needs to be made. As a Timberwolves fan, I apologize to the rest of the NBA community for giving this jackass a reason to be on ANY basketball podcast. He should've never been drafted and there's a reason he flamed out of the league. What a fuckin clown.
BJ has good takes but McCants is trash 😂😂
Gil need better cohosts. When he gets two more real objective high iQ basketball minds this show will take another jump.
No it wont.. it will become stale a die off.. This show is different because of wild shit they say and the way they argue.. Keep it this way
I was just about to say this!!!
He needs basketball intellectuals on the couch for season 3. I’m so tired of seeing people who can’t string together a reasonable argument for the life of me. They sound just as idiotic as the people on ESPN. Gil is the only person who always seems to put some serious thought into his arguments.
I’m legit dying to see people like Amin ElHassan make an appearance on this show. It would catapult this podcast into the stratosphere I swear.
@@stephenobisanyaEven Gil is inconsistent
@@LeetraviusMcKay-q6mGil may be inconsistent but it’s not from a place of hate. Rashad is just hating at this point. And his tales are just outlandish because he’s too focused on being that guy to bring chaos instead of actually debating the point.
@@Bude_Jellinghamit really will. You don’t have to agree with Gil to make a point. Rashad has become too lost in the sauce and constantly has to up himself and his wild takes
SHAD: “Lebron ain’t no bad mf”
Lebron James - 39,643 pts total career points
RASHAD McCants - 2,479 career total points
'Dr. J', Julius Erving was the first player with a shoe deal with Converse, the same year that he became the NBA's highest-paid player, his first year with the New Jersey Nets. He was the most exciting, electrifying, and my favorite player. I saw Dr. J do the things Jordan and others since do athletically...but in the 1970's. He dunked from the free throw line in the 1st NBA dunk contest, which he won against some serious dunkers. He did that routinely in games as a Virginia Squire. He was black excellence on the court and in public.
How does Rashad start off with “yea since I took Jordan and Kobe off the list”??? No fucking way 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Then say Kobe 1 🤣🤣
Lmaoo he a weirdo 😭😭🤦🏾♂️
He was saying that they're on such another level that u can't count them. They not on earth. Who's the earth goat?
@@boonz47 naaaw I know exactly what he saying lol. Exactly why I said NO FUCKIN WAY!
@@CC2AA 😂🤣😂🤣 gotchu 👍🏾
It baffles me how ppl don’t use stats to back your argument. It doesn’t have to your entire argument but it can help.
Example: if you say a man is a great scorer and then say he averaged 30ppg then that stats supports your argument
They throw out actual concrete evidence for ‘feelings’ which are subjective and vary based on the individual
Notice McCant’s “stat man! stat man!” When reading LeBron’s accolades but no one else’s lol
Comin from a man who gotta talk about college lmaooo we talkin bout COLLEGE
What McCants is trying to say is he loves Kobe style and that makes him number one just keep it real bro. Made the game look easy. I don’t think he ever had a 50% season stop the cat he had Hella swag just keep it real.
McCan't's takes are dumpster fire bro starts the convo alrdy on some nonsense
No you just a fan boy
"Mike ain't never left a kid crying" sir, those of us that are over 45 have a completely different recollection of the 80s, 94 95 and 99 😅
the home said "fuck them kids" ......
I don’t think MJ played those years in the 90s you listed.
He said in the Finals!!
Especially 98
@@stroalmighty7388the playoffs are the the finals
Joining GSW is not what killed the KD GOAT convo. It's that you decided to join Kyrie and ain't done ish in your career since you left GSW. If you had 5 rings right now the convo would be diff.
Never been back 2 the finals since.
So we definitely cant count lebron he lost to steph 3 times outta 4 and he lost to kd twice so you sayin lebron is lower then kd right
Kyrie got injured
@@Sacredix okay its 1on1 or 5on5
@@albertdaley9093 stupid comment
Need that tuff crowd x gils arena merch!
'Mike never left a kid crying'
DUDE PLAYED 15 YEARS, he won SIX
Yeah that was the dumbest shit I heard
😂
Cowards Kobe not even close he is a fan favorite. God bless him and what happen. Kobe Goat heart all day !! KD sit back… Jordan Kareem Lebron everyone else second tier. Bottom line. 2nd tier the rest of the others Kobe Lebron yes I mentioned him twice. Duncan shaq man go down the line
2 seasons he played less than 20 games so he really “played” 13 full seasons. And those 2 seasons with the Wizards was just recreational lol. So 11 seasons, 6 rings. Jordan math 101
GOAT'S are determined by all factors of the game accolades are a bulk of it but personality plays a key if you're going to be considered this generations 🐐 right now It's LeBron and he's still playing so KD may be 4th or 5th behind Joker and Embid
To answer the original question... "FUCK NO! there's no way in hell KD is in the GOAT Debate nor conversation"! Resume/Accomplishment, skill set, & how you fared against your contemporaries in your own era. Magic dominated the 80's (7 Finals Appearances), MJ dominated the 90's (6 Finals Appearances "Undefeated"), Kobe dominated the 2000's (7 FInals Appearances "5Rings"), LBJ dominated the 2010's (9 Finals Appearances) THATS dominance of an era. WTF has KD done except lose to LBJ, get smacked by Steph 73-9 GSW, win w/those GSW & do jack s*** since by himself!? where TF was the SUSTAINED DOMNINACE & GREATNESS to be in this discussion or debated!!!?
preach
9 finals appearances and lost 6 of them shits😂😂😂
Very well said my dude
lol why the fuck are you bringing up finals appearances as that is the bench mark for an accomplishment? wtf lol? might as well put in who went to the first round or 2nd round. Only lebron nut huggers bring up finals appearances as if it means shit.
nailed it
“Off court matters…the fact that Mike sold shoes matters!” My fucking head hurts…
😂😂😂
They should include his 20 year ownership of the hornets in there too
So, because Ninja's, 4th class citizen's on their own land bought Jordan's and made them hot Jordan is the Goat? That is so stooooopid.
It shouldn’t matter but it actually does play a role
Mccants really shows on this show everyday why his career was cut very short in the league
When Buddy said to Gil… “I’m merely a Host.” 🤣🤣🤣
He kept it a bean lol
😂😂
I saw that as Buddy being grounded and humble, not trying to take the spotlight like in other shows where you see the host or moderators trying to insert their comments.
Buddy was like " Hey Gil, this is your show. I will do whatever I can to support you"
Mere mortal lookin ahh 😂
KD is not in the debate.
Why can’t he be and don’t say cause he switched teams? Basketball wise why can’t he be?
@@AlmightyDerrickRosecan’t lead an actual team the golden state warriors team wasn’t really his team he was just the most talented on that team it’s a difference he has to show that he can put them boys on his back one time and make it up that mountain
@@Silentmoneykalhe literally took his team to the finals before…
@@kinasty7348And then left them to go join a 73-9 team that beat him and his team in the WCF
@@SilentmoneykalWell that's an a invalid argument perpetuated by the media. Let's break it down, he's played for 4 teams. Okc was a finals team and multi wcf finals team so he led that team. Gsw was a finals team kd was fmvp twice. Bk didn't go well and phx just started. So 2 of the teams he was on he led to aat least the finals…and yes the finals matters because even Jimmy butler gets credit for “leading” the heat. So realistically the only valid example you have of him not being able to led a team is Brooklyn. 3 years out of a 15 year career where he made the finals multiple times. Cus gsw were on pave to 3 peat, okc was a finals team, and phx literally just assembled and haven't played a full season together.
Jennings had the best response I've ever heard "imma wait until LeBron and Steph retire" everybody so quick to count them out but they still putting great numbers up. And the heat were not a super team idc what anybody say. That team wins 0 rings without LeBron. A super team means you can take out any one person and still win. You take out wade or Bosh maybe they have a chance. You take out Bron not even making the finals.
If he just wants to say LeBron is the goat as far as I can tell
The heat wasn’t a super team you said 😂😂😂 4 HOF in the prime 😂 what’s the difference between warriors and heat? Coz bron better than kd wade arguably better than klay and bosh definitely better than green and ray Allen just as good of a shooter as Steph so what are you talking about 😂 and that heat team had a better bench charmers was no scrub
Bron lovers swear he never had a super team. Look up bosh and wades numbers before bron. Top 3 in their respective positions 😭😭. Ofc they dropped bc you have a ball dominant player on your team now. Which they were that guy before teaming up. When they beat the thunder. It was not even close in terms of teams. Shouldn’t have lost to the Mavs but bron choked. Beat the spurs. No trash team beats that spurs team
Nah I didn’t like his response honestly. He can say who his goat is and say but honestly there’s 2 guys possibly 3 that may change my mind when they are done.
His response was dumb and a nonanswer. He can have a GOAT of the retired guys without including Bron or Steph. What if Jokic wins 5 straight right now, is he not gonna have an opinion then either? Lol
Rashad questions and facial expressions from 1:53 - 2:05 got me crying 😂😂😂
McCant dont even believe himself when he said Kobe
Yes it does because it's thre Truth
@@ntwpodcast4100stop
You don’t go into separate categories with the GOAT debate. The body of work is what determines the GOAT!
What’s body of work tho cuz when u say certain shit lebron the best
@@HomerunsamSOSA you’re whole body of work bro lol
@@MRHIMDOWNSTAIRS12your whole body of work Lebron beats mj so it can’t be the whole body of work 😂😂 that’s the point
Gil threw an argument just to bring it up later because he knew Mccants was gonna Contradict himself. Thats hilarious
Dude is smart
This shit got heated so quick I jus feel the energy😮
“I’m Merely A Host” Got Me Cryinn 🤣🤣
Magic, Tim Duncan and Curry ahead of KD in any debate before you even get to the 🐐
Wilt, Shaq, Bird, Hakeem, also ahead of KD
KD was better than Curry on the same team.
@@penkima4923LMAO
@@bherbo3943you laughing at facts or your reflection in the mirror
He's not wrong for laughing lol bro. Matter of fact imma laugh too. Hahahaha @@VinceBond-ky2zt
Gil broke that shit down just how I be thinking about it
Exactly bro and it's so frustrating that people don't want to see it simply cause they on Jordans jock!! And want to call us brobsexuals but they don't notice how much Jordan in they throat, whenever u put shoe sales in the debate shows how brainwashed they are
I Be thinking
Yall have some of the best debates bruh … not
Gon lie
The answer is no. Separate the accomplishments and accolades that make up the difference between MJ and KD, and you have a top 10 player of all time. At some point it can’t just be about how deep your “bag” is
Why would he ask McCants 1st ??? 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️ this guy just says the most insane shit fr bruh
What KD and Lebron did was not the same, Mccants hates Bron so much
What championship has LeBron Won without a Big 3 or him blowing up a whole team chasing a ghost he’ll never catch
@@i-_cook-on2k-_8813-1 come back
@@i-_cook-on2k-_881did KD win a chip for every team he joined? I don’t think so
@@i-_cook-on2k-_881 2020
@@i-_cook-on2k-_881Cleveland and la
Man wearin the crown got the craziest takes ive every heard. “LEBRON AINT A BAD MFER” like what? Im a boston fan and i hate lebron, but that man is THE GOAT.
When people say skills, they mean dribbling, shooting on all three levels; such as layups, midrange, and 3’s. It’s really who has the prettiest game. I think they should refer to that as a “skillful scorer” instead of just “skills.” That's the best way to end the confusion because every part of basketball is a skill.
and really, they mostly mean midrange jumpers. lebron's dribbling is better than anyone his size and comparable to the best shooting guards ever. he's had seasons where he's shot over 70% on layups, which is just absurd. he's got deeper shooting range than mj or kobe and is more consistent than either. it's literally just the midrange, which is fine, but it'd be nice if ppl were just honest about that
@@TheRulersBack18consistent with what? A jumper?
That's just scoring skills, passing is a skill, rebounding is a skill, defense is a skill. Those are all skills
I think Skills are fundamentals
@@iamrysheemcheck the stats on lebron shooting 3s compared to Kobe and MJ. Lebron is a better shooter and doesn’t take as many bad shots as Kobe.
@@Cheezkrispies131 i mean jordan barely shot 3’s and was a slasher and kobe was really a jumpshooter more than anything. So while you are correct the percentage difference is like 1 percent. But i dont know if i would make a big deal out of that. Kobe compared to like steph makes more sense. Jordan id say its more fair.
Kobe being McCants GOAT is hilarious. He sound like he 18 years old
18 year olds like McCants and Charles Barkley never accepted LeBron just leapfrogging Kobe on the top-10 all time list.
This has nothing to do with the segment, but Embiid is absolutely cooking Wembanyama right now. Dude has 59 at this moment with a whole 4th to go lol. the GOAT will be decided by the last human in existence...if they even care.
Finished with 70
Why Jennings giving such a pussified passive aggressive answer. Watch him closely that first 2:30 seconds he looks scared to answer. It’s simple: Jordan, LeBron, Kareem, Magic, Shaq/Kobe, Duncan, Bird, Hakeem, Wade.
@@cchampaine179 That's insane.
McCant and Skip need a show together called The delusional duo
Shaq did make the game look easier than anyone else tho
He made it look harder on the free throw line.
😂😂😂
@@penkima4923an still dropped thirty a game at times
imagine Kobe's mentality in Shaq's body. Shaq was dominant, but Kobe would have never turned it down at all. Shaq was like Wilt, imo. Incredibly dominant but also too nice a guy at times.
Gil is on point this time!
Your are right, Gil is on point( Klutch Sports pay roll)
You can tell Gil gets frustrated with Rashad when he starts yelling 😂
He’s about to fire him soon 👀
“Everything balances out except the accolades” 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Sooo LBJ is a pass 1st player and still leads in scoring, but it's not easy? I'm confused
Leads in shot attempts on most of the teams he played on. Yea that never made sense to me either
@@MikeBNumba6 who are you referring to?
@@MikeBNumba6Yea like Jordan leading the league in field goal attempts all the time he won scoring titles.
As a UNC fan watching McCants now just makes me thinks he’s the Antonio Brown of NBA podcasters
I had to go back and read this twice just to realize what you said is so true.
He wore, “Look-a-Like” jordans, as a grown man, on cam. 😂 He’s a cL0wn.
lol facts..
As a UNC fan who loved watching McCants play, looking at him now makes me not believe this is the same person.
I literally hurt my brain trying too figure out wth mccants be talking about
I’m tired of the them comparing KD going to a 72 win Warriors team to LeBron going to a not even in the playoffs Heat team there is no comparison it’s not the same period
McCants arguments make my head hurt
Who you wanna build a team around starting with KD or LEBRON should have been the question
And there is no debate because its Lebron everyday and any day.
@@beewh001is it? Fine I'll debate. I'm taking Durant.
@@MikeBNumba6I mean. Okay. I got someone that's going to take me to the finals damn near guaranteed in his prime. KD is liable to be spanked by a man named Steph Curry....
@MikeBNumba6 there is a difference in arguing with facts (data) rather than feelings.
Mccants when he realized he messed up with the "most doesn't mean the best.., no it's not..." Lol his face said it all "Fxxxxxxxk..." 17:17
McCants just insinuated that Gil and others are being paid by Bron to speak well on his name.😮 How long was McCants in NBA?
I think MJ, Lebron, Kareem, & maybe if you wanna say Bill Russell for being the ultimate winner are the only worthy GOAT candidates
The first 3 yes…Russell no
@@Wolverinebj3 I gotcha: he played in the 60s & he wasn’t the best offensive player but it’s hard to overlook 11 chips in 13 years & he was goin up against wilt a lot of those years in the playoffs & we know how he was as an individual
BRANDON JENNINGS SAID YOU CANT BE THE GOAT IF NIGGAS DIDNT WANNA FUCK WITH YOU OFF THE COURT...THAT AUTOMATICALLY TAKES KOBE OUT THE CONVERSATION.,.....NO NBA PLAYER WANTED TO HANG WITH KOBE OFF THE COURTS .ALL OF HIS TEAMMATES CONFIRMED ... ESPECIALLY AFTER HE SNITCHED ON SHAQ
@@sosaraycharles358 not to mention he coached the team while playing on it to win the last 2 chips lol. i understand ppl keeping him out bc of how much the league changed, but if you're gonna consider him, it's hard to not have him as the goat imo
(i'd also argue that magic and timmy have better goat cases than ppl think)
@@sosaraycharles358it becomes a bit less impressive when he played against the same 10 teams. It’d be easy to continue winning once you’ve won and the competition didn’t change or get better.
Magic deserves a mention and the guy who averaged 40ppg for a month with a torn labrum-Kobe Bean
If stats/numbers don't matter then why even keep score?! Lets just lace em up and play till fatigue sets in and determine the winner based off how they looked 🤷
Bruh that is the dumbest argument I have heard in 2024. I'm dead serious. Stats are the proof of you getting it done. According to his logic, Shaq aint a good player. He mainly used his size and strength to bully guys in a way no other player could do so you can't coach anything he did and he rarely shot from 10 ft away from the basket. Guy got no skills at all right? Then how got 2 scoring titles. Cuz his way works, thats how. Its a game not a beauty pageant
I love KD, him and Bron are my favourites players, but if he wants to be in the goat convo, we need to include Curry there too and Curry is one step above him for everything he has accomplished, no just rings, but like everyone always says he’s changed the game.
Here’s why rings won should have no place in the conversation of GOAT - no one player wins a ring by themselves. If you give Lebron and Kobe the same team mates Mike had those guys would have had won crazy as well, specifically LeBron. And I’m a Kobe fan. But LeBron with the team casting that Kobe and Mike had would have demolished the nba from his day 1 stepping on the nba court to now in his 30s. LeBron hands down is the greatest we have ever seen touch a basketball in the NBA.
Hakeem and Duncan is probably the closest all time great player debate to be had
Eehhhhhh
Duncan is a GOAT period
As someone who grew up in San Antonio during Duncan's career, Duncan is absolutely A goat. He is not in the conversation for THE goat@@garyleroy91
Duncan was close to being 6-0
Lmao lebron wade and bosh rebuilt the heat. Kd caught Stockholm syndrome😂
Exactly 😭. The heat was first round exits before bron got there.
@@givemesometime8405 Wade won a ring as a Heat before LeBron.
Wade built the heat.. getcha facts right
@@killadez3511 lol why he go to Cleveland right after then 😂
Bruh when bron went to the heat they missed the playoffs the year before KD joined a 73 win team with two of the greatest shooters of all time
And they still lost so what is your point
@@kinasty7348Point is Lebron is what tipped the scales for the heat. KD broke the scales. Gsw were already favorites. When he joined....it was no question....
18:29 McCants shows why he out the league
The GOAT debate will always be tiresome because it’s all subjective and there’s no true merit. I personally think we all should just appreciate the greatness of all the goat players from either era.
When he made the Kyrie point it was a flawless victory! lololol
Not really because to say that and compare that to the LBJ Kobe argument would mean Kob was JUST skill... you can say that about Kyrie because he did nothing else but team hop and show how skillful he is. Didn't lead a team didn't win another chip he's strictly box office...Kobe was it all. He was skillful, determined, a killer and got it done with no other top 75 players after Shaq and lead his team to 3 appearances. That's beyond just skill so they argument they are trying to make is oh JUST skills matter no not just skills it's everything even beyond statsc and that's why he said why isn't Duncan your GOAT that point was to prove that all the other shit matters too how the person's game LOOKED
@@chocboiwonda6810 not really sure what you're saying but the reason why the Kyrie point killed it is because one would easily consider Kyrie more skilled than Magic and even Curry but skills, and even how it looks, is not all that matters. Not sure why you're missing that. And if you're comparing Bron & Kobe, the body of work is there to do so. Bron was never second best on his team at any time in his career, the same cannot be said for Kob. Bron's greatest teammate was Wade versus Kob's greatest teammate, SHAQ! Lol smh. I also take into account leadership in which Kobe didn't have to do for the majority of his championships if it all (Fisher was captain). Whereas Bron had the highest pressure to perform of all-time, especially in the social media era, and he still met the expectations. Understand?
@@spiritualgangstallcyes but Kobe accomplished more with less. His two rings w/o Shaq are far more impressive than Bron’s rings except for his Cleveland ring
@@lreez977 Less? Bron clearly has led some of the worst teams in history to the finals and championships, let's be honest. Except Cleveland? So you're actually saying one not two lol. Kobe against Orlando was a wash c'mon man. Also, Bron has the two hardest rings in history.
Man I always forget MJ only played for 6 years
Lol you must be young mj played for 15 years he lost 7 years straight before he won his first ring
@@DeonPrice-z7j you missed the boat man.
The years Jordan didnt win were absurdly good tho, arguably better than when he won
@user-pn2zi3fg7f sarcasm is lost on you
This is a well crafted troll. Respect due lol
I think the issue is when people here skill, they only think about the offensive side of the ball. If we looking at everything Lebron is most skilled player in ever.
Right .... Not to discredit the Great Centers in the 60's - 80's .... but THE GOAT CONVERSATION is Jordan & LeBron ( to me ) ...
Also : Greatest Team Player along with Skills is definitely LeBron.