Hey Sam, another great update. Absolutely with you on finding a good engineer - I tried to work with one for my Mark II motorcycle project, but the only one I could find here was flat out on other customers' work. You're already ahead of me in that you have an exact plan for what the frame should look like and how it should mount - that's going to be really valuable to an engineer. Best of luck!
Thanks Paul! I hope so. We'll see what they think of it and what shop will be interested in building it. I'm excited to see how it looks in the end. I like the quote, "stay committed to your decisions, but stay flexible in your approach."
Kodos for you for keeping a level head on the subject. Being an engineer I get frustrated when people defend blue collar workers such as welders and electricians when they have to certify something but everybody seems to hate engineers involvement. I am sure the idea is simply they want somebody to structually review it. Same goes true in building a house, right. I hope you find somebody that will allow you to be involved to help keep your cost down. I admit as a Computer/Electrical Engineer even though 2 of my 4 yrs of college is the same as a mechanical engineer that when I design things structurally for my electric conversions I know my limits and ask for help. I have a buddy that is a mechanical engineer that reviews my designs and he always catches mistakes that I would have never thought of and I am always glad I asked for their input. Thanks for keeping us poosted. 🍻
Definitely! I'm actually glad I'm required to get help with this, because the project is going to be way better than I could have done alone. Hopefully I hear back from someone soon!
"The car will be electric in 2024" sounds a bit like famous last words ;) But on the other hand I'm astounded at how swiftly things have moved (even though it probably feels like forever to you), so I'd risk to bet on your new year's resolution to actually be feasible! Best of luck!
Thanks Bert! It's all about time and money. I have lots of time, but no money 😂 So let's put a time limit on this and spend some of that money I don't have!
Happy New Year Sam (and Jen). I know the rules in NZ are very different to other countries but I am sure you will get your road legal WOF electric car in 2024. I just hope the existing rules don't make you figuratively bankrupt into the bargain. Man you have the resolve and determination so onwards and upwards! Take care!
Thanks for the support, Gary! Money comes and goes but time only goes. I'm turning 40 at the end of the year so my goal is to drive this car before that 😁 I have a good feeling about this!
Good to see you back into this project, Sam. The track owners, like Manfeild, have banned EV's, but not Motorsport NZ. You can still do sprints and hill climbs where the organiser has made provision for EVs. And there are at least four (maybe five) of these events each year much closer to home than any "track".
True that! Great point. I'd love to enter one at some point just to see what the car can do. I still have the roll cage but I'd need to get that certified too. Lots of exciting stuff to come! I'll finally get to use the footage of your race car.. a whole year later 😂
@@NewZeroland You don't actually need a roll cage for most local events.. you could put that on hold. Also, if your cage is a bolt-in one from Japan, then it might not be possible to certify it in NZ ( wrong steel, wrong diameter, wrong mounting points, no diagonal) and it is easier to have a new compliant one made here ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Makes sense, any of the people you touched base with.. liked that you had all ready done, made the cad for the car and parts or even your model.. or was it - "like what your done but leave it to the professionals."
Really hope it works out for you and it also makes it so you can accomplish your goals even faster. Usually you can put all of your plans together and take it to an engineer and they'll certify it for you.
Yeah true! At least they can start from this idea and make it better and stronger. They might have a more efficient way of doing it, or the car could require reinforcing.. we'll see.
Oh it definitely will 😂 I don't have the money for it yet but hopefully soon. This is the biggest part of the whole conversion so after this, it'll be smooth sailing.
Happy New Year to you both. I’m absolutely convinced the NZ standards are similar to Aus when it comes to modifying vehicles so that you can do the modifications & get the vehicle re-certified by vehicle engineers & obtain a certificate of compliance. I’m absolutely sure of this. Please check into this. How many people swap blown engines in cars & bikes & don’t get them re-certified? Just follow engineering principles with advice from people in your sphere & go from there! Speak to NZ roads authority. They will provide you with companies that validate & certify modifications & engineering structure standards.
Yep, definitely. I'll be talking to a certifier soon and finding out how much of this is possible 😂 I probably should have checked with one beforehand but it was impossible to know how things would fit without taking it all apart, so I feel ok with it. No going back now!
Agree with the above. I (in NSW/AUS) converted a motorcycle where the original engine was a structural member of the frame. Designed and build a structural battery box myself on CAD. The certifying engineer took stress vectors (?) data out of the CAD to analyse (eyeballed?) structural integrity.
Hey there, just a little note. I have just done Gavin's motor so the information is still fresh. You don't need a certified welder, you just need good welds and pics of the work with the material sizes to show the certifier. Have you read the "New Zealand Car Construction Manual" yet? It has all the legal information about modifying NZ cars to get certified for on road use and it is free. If you wanted to get the car up to the Waikato I could do the engineering work for you, I’m keen to see all of these projects moving ahead. Let me know if you would like me to help.
@@bobjetson Bob! Man the work you did for Gavin is beautiful! I'll see if I can keep mine local but that's mighty tempting. Thanks for the tips. I've read through the LVVTA rules on EV conversioms but most of the stuff I've just heard from other people who've went through it. Glad to know it's not as hard as I thought. Thanks for watching and reaching out! I might be in touch 😂
@@NewZeroland All good, my offer will always stand. I don't really charge anything, as long as material and tool costs are covered. I do this stuff cause I enjoy it.
@@bobjetson that's so cool of you! I'll look into the logistics of getting my car up to you then 😲 Shoot me an email and let's chat! mistasam@gmail.com
Thanks man! I had a chat with an engineer and we might be going with a different approach.. so it'll probably be a while before the mounting starts, but I'll make an update about some other stuff soon.
Gonna hold you to that resolution... I mean we can't do anything if you don't but the mental pressure will be there. Like Professor X mind waves. Makes sense though, for safety concerns. There need to be some standards for what they allow on the road. I can't imagine there aren't other people in NZ electrofying vehicles in the same way that haven't needed similar services.
Get outta my head, Chaaaarles! Yeah there are lots of EV conversions going on and the rules keep getting stricter. Luckily a buddy has close ties with a certifier and I'm hoping to get him to look over the project soon.
Dang, Yup, Know what you mean, You wanted to build it yourself, but those registration policies. Could you still get someone to build and weld, and then resume the build yourself. Good Luck and HAPPY NEW YEAR.. :fanfair:
Yeah that's the plan for sure. Once the mounts are made I can take over and do all the fun stuff. The wiring is gonna be crazy. Hopefully this can happen soon!
Can you not just design it and then get it signed off by an engineer? Might be able to save some engineer hours as well as still be involved in the process that way 😄
It kinda sux, we used to convert all sorts of vehicles no problem and then the h&s Muppets got involved & changed all the rules. I'm a fitter welder by trade & even i cant do this stuff anymore without some uni boffin signing off on it. 😢
Hey Sam, another great update. Absolutely with you on finding a good engineer - I tried to work with one for my Mark II motorcycle project, but the only one I could find here was flat out on other customers' work. You're already ahead of me in that you have an exact plan for what the frame should look like and how it should mount - that's going to be really valuable to an engineer. Best of luck!
Thanks Paul! I hope so. We'll see what they think of it and what shop will be interested in building it. I'm excited to see how it looks in the end. I like the quote, "stay committed to your decisions, but stay flexible in your approach."
Kodos for you for keeping a level head on the subject.
Being an engineer I get frustrated when people defend blue collar workers such as welders and electricians when they have to certify something but everybody seems to hate engineers involvement. I am sure the idea is simply they want somebody to structually review it. Same goes true in building a house, right. I hope you find somebody that will allow you to be involved to help keep your cost down.
I admit as a Computer/Electrical Engineer even though 2 of my 4 yrs of college is the same as a mechanical engineer that when I design things structurally for my electric conversions I know my limits and ask for help. I have a buddy that is a mechanical engineer that reviews my designs and he always catches mistakes that I would have never thought of and I am always glad I asked for their input.
Thanks for keeping us poosted. 🍻
Definitely! I'm actually glad I'm required to get help with this, because the project is going to be way better than I could have done alone. Hopefully I hear back from someone soon!
"The car will be electric in 2024" sounds a bit like famous last words ;)
But on the other hand I'm astounded at how swiftly things have moved (even though it probably feels like forever to you), so I'd risk to bet on your new year's resolution to actually be feasible! Best of luck!
Thanks Bert! It's all about time and money. I have lots of time, but no money 😂 So let's put a time limit on this and spend some of that money I don't have!
Almost missed your portmantua (smoosh). I love the term Energicar!
Haha thanks! 😂
Good luck with the next step Sam.
Cheers!
Love the safety socks. Looking forward to seeing this project progress!
Cheers! Height of safety in 2024.
Happy New Year Sam (and Jen). I know the rules in NZ are very different to other countries but I am sure you will get your road legal WOF electric car in 2024. I just hope the existing rules don't make you figuratively bankrupt into the bargain. Man you have the resolve and determination so onwards and upwards! Take care!
Thanks for the support, Gary! Money comes and goes but time only goes. I'm turning 40 at the end of the year so my goal is to drive this car before that 😁 I have a good feeling about this!
I needed that update..😊 now I know.. 🤟
Gotta keep you guys in the loop 😁
Good to see you back into this project, Sam. The track owners, like Manfeild, have banned EV's, but not Motorsport NZ. You can still do sprints and hill climbs where the organiser has made provision for EVs. And there are at least four (maybe five) of these events each year much closer to home than any "track".
True that! Great point. I'd love to enter one at some point just to see what the car can do. I still have the roll cage but I'd need to get that certified too. Lots of exciting stuff to come! I'll finally get to use the footage of your race car.. a whole year later 😂
@@NewZeroland You don't actually need a roll cage for most local events.. you could put that on hold. Also, if your cage is a bolt-in one from Japan, then it might not be possible to certify it in NZ ( wrong steel, wrong diameter, wrong mounting points, no diagonal) and it is easier to have a new compliant one made here ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@ratmanbrian even with a convertible?
Makes sense, any of the people you touched base with.. liked that you had all ready done, made the cad for the car and parts or even your model.. or was it - "like what your done but leave it to the professionals."
Yeah totally. I'm hoping they can start from at least my placement idea and build mounts to work with that. We'll see what they can do!
Really hope it works out for you and it also makes it so you can accomplish your goals even faster. Usually you can put all of your plans together and take it to an engineer and they'll certify it for you.
Yeah true! At least they can start from this idea and make it better and stronger. They might have a more efficient way of doing it, or the car could require reinforcing.. we'll see.
it's kinda beat that you have to go through all that extra effort, but I bet it'll be a blast to drive when it's done!
Yeah man! Kinda Honda Beat 😂 It'll all be worth it in the end.
yippeee. im sure someone would love to help you
Thanks! I hope I hope
An interesting twist indeed! Way to roll with the punches. Hopefully the hit won’t be too much for the old wallet
Oh it definitely will 😂 I don't have the money for it yet but hopefully soon. This is the biggest part of the whole conversion so after this, it'll be smooth sailing.
@@NewZeroland Oh no, famous last words
👻🎵When the frame fits strange, under the hood, whats your call?! Follow the law!🎵
Lmao 😂 Here's hoping!
Once you sorted out who will do it, I would be very interested in the details. Like time frames and costs of the engineering work.
Me too! I hope I can shoot video of them building it.
Happy New Year to you both. I’m absolutely convinced the NZ standards are similar to Aus when it comes to modifying vehicles so that you can do the modifications & get the vehicle re-certified by vehicle engineers & obtain a certificate of compliance. I’m absolutely sure of this. Please check into this. How many people swap blown engines in cars & bikes & don’t get them re-certified? Just follow engineering principles with advice from people in your sphere & go from there! Speak to NZ roads authority. They will provide you with companies that validate & certify modifications & engineering structure standards.
Yep, definitely. I'll be talking to a certifier soon and finding out how much of this is possible 😂 I probably should have checked with one beforehand but it was impossible to know how things would fit without taking it all apart, so I feel ok with it. No going back now!
Agree with the above. I (in NSW/AUS) converted a motorcycle where the original engine was a structural member of the frame. Designed and build a structural battery box myself on CAD. The certifying engineer took stress vectors (?) data out of the CAD to analyse (eyeballed?) structural integrity.
Sam did you see the Stark Future latest YT? KTM lobbied FIM to ban electric from the SuperEndro World Championships 22 hours before the racing start.
What?? That's so lame! KTM has an electric bike, too. What gives??
"The car will be electric in 2024." Good Luck!! I really hope you can make it happen. That's a bold claim.
edit: I wrote the wrong year.
Plenty of time 😂😂😂
Lookin good man :)
Cheers!
Hey there, just a little note. I have just done Gavin's motor so the information is still fresh. You don't need a certified welder, you just need good welds and pics of the work with the material sizes to show the certifier.
Have you read the "New Zealand Car Construction Manual" yet? It has all the legal information about modifying NZ cars to get certified for on road use and it is free.
If you wanted to get the car up to the Waikato I could do the engineering work for you, I’m keen to see all of these projects moving ahead. Let me know if you would like me to help.
I cant post the link to the manual because RUclips deletes my comment
@@bobjetson Bob! Man the work you did for Gavin is beautiful! I'll see if I can keep mine local but that's mighty tempting. Thanks for the tips. I've read through the LVVTA rules on EV conversioms but most of the stuff I've just heard from other people who've went through it. Glad to know it's not as hard as I thought. Thanks for watching and reaching out! I might be in touch 😂
@@NewZeroland All good, my offer will always stand. I don't really charge anything, as long as material and tool costs are covered. I do this stuff cause I enjoy it.
@@bobjetson that's so cool of you! I'll look into the logistics of getting my car up to you then 😲 Shoot me an email and let's chat! mistasam@gmail.com
where is the update ? I'm anxious
Thanks man! I had a chat with an engineer and we might be going with a different approach.. so it'll probably be a while before the mounting starts, but I'll make an update about some other stuff soon.
Gonna hold you to that resolution... I mean we can't do anything if you don't but the mental pressure will be there. Like Professor X mind waves. Makes sense though, for safety concerns. There need to be some standards for what they allow on the road. I can't imagine there aren't other people in NZ electrofying vehicles in the same way that haven't needed similar services.
Get outta my head, Chaaaarles! Yeah there are lots of EV conversions going on and the rules keep getting stricter. Luckily a buddy has close ties with a certifier and I'm hoping to get him to look over the project soon.
Dang, Yup, Know what you mean,
You wanted to build it yourself, but those registration policies.
Could you still get someone to build and weld, and then resume the build yourself.
Good Luck and HAPPY NEW YEAR.. :fanfair:
Yeah that's the plan for sure. Once the mounts are made I can take over and do all the fun stuff. The wiring is gonna be crazy. Hopefully this can happen soon!
@@NewZeroland Good Luck and hope you get it back soon (without a big dent in ya wallet)
I'm sure you will tell the engineer exactly how to do it correctly.
😂😂😂 oh no. I will throw money at them and let them do whatever they want.
@NewZeroland Get into the design with them, or else you might get an end product that you don't like.
How tall are you? Do you fit comfortable in the honda beat?
6'2 and I fit great, but I have a short torso / long legs, so maybe that's why. I think the Beat is the easiest of the ABC kei cars to fit in.
Can you not just design it and then get it signed off by an engineer? Might be able to save some engineer hours as well as still be involved in the process that way 😄
Possibly.. or at least they can start from this idea and improve it from there. We'll see!
I didn't see a cat in this video : (
Ah crap! I totally forgot lol.
They banned EVs from the Race track? That seems a little childish...
Yeah that's a whole big stupid messy thing.
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Turd!
It kinda sux, we used to convert all sorts of vehicles no problem and then the h&s Muppets got involved & changed all the rules. I'm a fitter welder by trade & even i cant do this stuff anymore without some uni boffin signing off on it. 😢
Haha aw man, yeah it's crazy strict now and getting harder to convert things by the day, but safety first I guess. I'm ok paying a pro to do it right.