Based on the Ramsey rules to buy the average home in America would require an income of $190k. Average home is $420k. With 20% down and a 15 year fixed at 6.8% the mortgage will be $2,961 a month, meaning you’ll need to earn $12,000 a month after taxes. Does that seem like a totally reasonable thing considering the average household income is around $70k? For my grandparents the average home was 2x the average income. For my parents it’s was 3x. Today it’s 7x. Yes it’s possible but to say it’s the same today as it was for previous generations is so economically illiterate it’s astounding. Does that mean you give up? Of course not. But this constant refusal to acknowledge reality doesn’t help anyone.
Thank you for this^. I'm sure Dave has heard and knows all of this, but he just continues to beat the same drum, with no willingness to accept that things are very different now compared to just a few years ago. If you owned a home before the pandemic, you are pretty much in a different economic class because of it
It's the inflation of all products that is the problem. We paid $89,900 for, our house, but right now we are told that our house is worth $156,000. We couldn't afford to finance our house, at today's rates. Thank God, we were able to pay off, our house, a couple of years ago.
Real estate is very much influenced by location. Taking an overall average isnt really a great way to look at it. I took a job in philly vs boston when I graduated specifically because cost of living is much lower. Current median home price here is around 260k.
At what point is it considered dead though? If 1 single person in the country can afford a home, the American Dream is technically not dead. Right now at this moment something like 5% of prospective buyers can comfortably afford a home. Is that still practical?
Dave failed to mention that despite those high interest rates, house prices were less than half what they are today as a multiple of median salary at each respective time.
And houses themselves were less than half the size they are today, speaking of medians. Smaller houses in one area are much cheaper than larger houses in the same area. If people would quit buying so much crap they don’t need, then there wouldn’t be a reason to buy a much bigger house in order to store more crap they don’t need In short, if you really want to get ahead, quit buying crap you don’t need. Do I have to say it a fourth time?
that's why i say even if you grow up on the street, work and become rich, as you became rich you loose a lil sense of reality on how hard life can be for poor people. but dave still GOAT
That might be so that house prices were much lower but he’s right in reframing the problem. Somethings were easier back then somethings were also much harder back then too. Anecdotal but My cousin 9 years younger than me bought a house before I and most of my cousins at 25 From similar homes, we grew up together what did he do different? He even bought property before his older brothers.
If this call came from a 30 year old instead of an 18 year old, they would not have focused so much on his age. The fact is Americans quality of life is deteriorating and many Millennials and Gen Z are facing major challenges in the housing market, starting a family, and just trying to survive and keep up with inflation.
American just discovered inflation and now its the culprit to all the problems. You had ONE year of high inflation in this country (~8%), because of those fat COVID checks the government sent to people, but that inflation is no more. Current inflation rates are declining in getting very close to the pre-pandemic ones.
@miqueiaspaulo1 🤣😂 sure they are 😆 compare now to the great depression the actual numbers and conversation to today's money . . . Actuality look then say what u just said 🤭🤯🤦♀️
@@miqueiaspaulo1 That is a misnomer. Their were plenty of businesses that also profiteered from the pandemic, but no one is blaming them for the even bigger checks via "loans" they received during the pandemic and didn't pay back, despite not fulfilling the guidelines to receiving the "loans." Part of the inflation was due to supply chain and logistical failures during the pandemic and while we were making war with countries who supplied some of these products (ie, neon needed to make semiconductor chips is supplied by Ukraine as a byproduct of Russian steel which is used in 90% of all semiconductor chips). Due to all the shutdowns, companies could not receive certain products or they came at a slower pace, which played a part on the supply side of production, and causing a rise in prices. But this is not it! Also, our proxy wars with other countries, and provoking certain OPEC countries, who have decided to "regulate" how much oil and gas is produced and sold to us at a greater cost, helped to increase oil and gas prices which increases the costs logistically to move and exports goods at a greater cost. And of course, energy is needed to make the products, and you can say also this has also contributed to inflation. The Great Resignation also contributed to the rise in prices when workers decided they had enough and they could walk away and get a job elsewhere paying more affordable wages elsewhere, and leaving behind jobs that paid very little and could not sustain them--or grew tired of the mental and physical trauma of the workplace and leaving a big hole in the low-wage job market. [Some people blamed "the checks" in this area, but those couple of thousand dollar checks would not have sustained them very long--maybe a month and a half (tops, if living extremely frugally), but not long enough.] And finally, the elephant in the room that very few have addressed--corporate greed. These larger corporations have been exuding with pride in the stockholder meetings how profits have never been so high, and their plans to make as much profit as they can during this crisis. Of course, there have been several recordings of multiple meeting from different companies made and shared of these stockholder meetings. And do these profits "trickle down"? No. Not to the employees and not to improve the product or it's standards. The profits are used instead to line the pockets of shareholders and corporate leaders and to artificially inflate their own stock prices--it's how they avoid any tax burden and it makes it look like their company is doing better than it's actually worth. It also gives the perception that the economy looks better than it is--as a lot of people look to the stock market rather than how well average families are holding it down during this crisis.
By the time that 18 year old is 30 years old, that same $600,000 house could very easily be $1.2 million dollars, that's the problem, and Dave isn't addressing that issue.
I got a cousin that is exactly what happened to him he was going to buy a house for 240 that was the price during 2019 he got the money now but that same house is worth 450
@@kbanghartcontrary to what social media may promote, single family housing should not be an investment venture. It should be affordable for everyone (scaled to different income levels). You shouldn’t be buying a house with the expectation that you will make a fortune on said house in the short term….
@kbanghart The problem is that when people can't procure housing, they delay or even forgo having a family, and then you have declining birth rates, and when you have declining birth rates, there's not enough young people to continue society into the future.
In 1980, interest rates were high and home prices were very low In 2020, interest rates were very low and home prices were high From 2022, interest rates are high and home prices are very high Now it doesn't look like either is coming down soon enough. All of this has made people who bought houses before 2022 extremely smug and arrogant. And it has made people who haven't bought a home yet, go into despair. I still don't think that the American dream is dead but it takes much much longer for a person today to own a home than those who bought in 1980. Some compassion and understanding and dropping the arrogance will go a long way!
That's exactly what it is. Massive government spending, debt, and inflation. Add in that a side of greedy boomers and housing speculation you get a recipe for borderline turkey shacks being sold as half million dollar luxury homes.
Inflation is a hidden tax on the poor, AKA, anyone who does not leverage assets. That's why Mr. Dave's plan is ideal for most people. Buying a house with a 15 year mortgage and investing in broad market funds. It's a balance between financial abilities and max value.
My aunt and uncle bought a home back in 2001 in Orange County for a bit over $240k. Today it is worth $1.2 million. That’s an increase of about 5X. Their salaries? They’ve only increased by about 2x. Had they tried to purchase the same home today, they’ve would’ve gotten laughed at
When no one ever talks about, is that there are a whole areas, neighborhoods, suburbs, that are developed now that we’re not available before. So yes, it would be difficult to buy the exact same house in the exact same location, but there are other places to live that she didn’t have the opportunity to live in, which she was your age
@@user-qp2qe5gf9boh the coffee and avocado toast propaganda. Housing is still way way way more expensive relative to wages now. Seriously, how damn difficult is that to understand?
Ramsey’s refusal to acknowledge that housing prices have doubled in the last 5 years and left a lot of young Americans hurting feels like gaslighting at this point. “No it’s always been that way” okay Dave.
He hasn't "refused to acknowledge" housing prices have increased. He's said many times that yes, the prices are up, and furthermore they are most likely not going to go down to where they were previously. There's no "gaslighting" going on.
I agree, the housing market is horrible. A person making minimum wage likely has to have a roommate or they live with a family. Unfortunately, some people believe that we are living in the worst of times. *Some* of these same people , NOT ALL, have a Starbucks account, go to restaurants, travel, pay for steaming services, have an expensive cell phone with a horrible plan, fast internet connections, and credit card debt. It’s difficult for many to understand the difference between a want and a need.
He’s only 18? Man just live. Don’t injure your body. Stay healthy. Have a good spiritual routine. Get out of debt. Stay out of trouble. Be kind. Blessings will pursue you but don’t let opportunities pass you by without thinking hard about it.
No he's doing alright thinking about his financial future. If you live without a plan and then 10 years down the road you'll find yourself nowhere in life
@@blackspiderman1887this has been the sad fact for my childhood friends. I have a house, on track to get married and have a dual income house with fairly decent careers. All with no debt besides the house which is 18% of our income and we are on track to pay it off early. My friends I’ve known since childhood have zero plans for the future and make more money in their household than ours and they have 2 new cars, cheap 1 bedroom apartment and less than 1,000 in savings but they take vacations every 2-4 months. It’s sad that they could be much better off but are paycheck to paycheck and have firmly refused help with doing a budget or having me teach them finances. At the end of the day people with the want will prepare and people without will have to hit rock bottom to want the drive to succeed.
@@blackspiderman1887kind of is ,kind of it’s not, but no doubt we have a mental health crisis going on right now and thinking that at 18 with anxiety is the result of too much social media and “HEADLINES”.
@@blackspiderman1887 nobody said don’t have a plan. But even Dave mentions the Bible regularly. Jesus said it, Paul said it, and others too, read phillipians chapter 4 starting at verse 6. Don’t be anxious over money,wealth, or material possessions. That’s the point that I was making is that he shouldn’t be anxious about his livelihood unless there’s a major problem that needs to be addressed. Seems like he was just anxious when he didn’t need to be.
@@michaelcatalanottohandyman your advice isnt practical though. You said "have a good spiritual routine, get out of debt, be kind, and stay out of trouble and blessing will come your way. Well I got news for you. The world don't work like that. I have a friend who does all that and he's broke and lives with his mother over 40 years old. So if you're gonna tell someone 'dont worry" you need to follow up with more practical ways to take care of themselves other than "be kind and the Lord will bless you". The Lord bless those who get up and make things happen. He don't just let things fall in your lap because you're a kind person
To say normal people were never able to buy a house on Long Island is just plain wrong. I grew up there. My parents were "normal" and bought their first house in Levittown in the late 70s on a single income (pretty median level job--nothing fancy or high salary). They fixed it up a lot, sold it, and moved out and up to the next house further out on the island, but still affordable and in a nice town. Things have rapidly declined due to a lot of factors, but nowadays, a single income family of 4 could never do that without being completely underwater with debt. So, it HAS changed quite a bit in the last 30-40 years.
Were your parents 18 when they bought this home? I’m guessing not. And again, you’re looking at one point in time and extrapolating it was always that way.
@steveguillory7568 mine were 25 in 1990 when they paid $200k for their home while making $75k. Inflation adjusted their income was worth about $150k today. That $200k home is now worth $1MM. No one making $150k has any business buying a $1MM home. You need to earn twice as much to buy the same home as your parents.
Did you even listen to what they said? Apples and oranges is what you’re comparing. You’re trying to make a point out of nothing that Boy is 18. They’re talking about him as an 18-year-old. Being able to afford a home and no 18-year-old being able to afford a home at $600,000 unless they won the lottery.
@@nailatiylluf ok let me try this a different way. How much was that home in ‘05 before the gfc? How much did it fall by 2012? How much more affordable was the home in 2019 vs today? Yes, things are hard right now. Doesn’t mean they’ll never improve.
He’s not wrong. Housing is more unaffordable than any time in US history. Homes appreciated +50% since 2020 and now you have to finance it with a 7% mortgage. You need a family income of over $100k to buy the median home price in the US. I bought a $410k house last year and I spend almost 40% of my take home pay on a $165k salary to afford the mortgage, taxes and insurance. Ramsey is so out of touch. Every thing was on easy mode for Boomers.
The truth is a lot of people are struggling out there. We are suffering and don’t know where our next meal is coming from. Student loan relief and a proper UBI would go a long way in helping us out. We could pay our bills and put food on the table. Why don’t George and Dave want that for us?
@@nadyadobreva9904 I would guess a mortgage. Also he probably has a spouse helping him (I did too at that age 10 years ago). Some people house hack and rent out rooms or buy a duplex and rent out the other half of the building. Home ownership isn't like what you see on TV. People sometimes have to make it work.
The American Dream is very hard to achieve. I no longer have the "old American Dream." Instead of a house, I now dream of always having a roof over my head, food in my belly, and access to healthcare.
The average Income needed to buy a house from 2019 to 2024 has risen by almost 50% to $114K. Average home price in 2019 was $261K. Now it’s over $435K.
Stop looking at global averages. They distort the picture. Look at average starter home prices, average salaries of 20 to 30 year olds and average spending of those same people for standard spending - transport, eating out, technology, food to cook at home, clothing, holidays, etc
Adjust comparisons for inflation, they’re still bad but a bit more tenable. Comparing in absolute terms is pointless with inflation changes, same reason I get worked up about people directly comparing 1960 home prices to 2024 home prices… yeah it might be 10x higher but you also earn 5x as much so calling it a 10x increase is a bit dishonest. Don’t get me wrong though, even on an inflation adjusted basis home prices are extremely unaffordable for the vast majority right now.
@@somelolplayer6199 true but when you factor in the increase in wages being eaten up by inflation it really doesn’t matter. The housing issues began over two decades ago with the lack of supply and everything else just got baked in. Most people I know under 40 are renting and some are even living at home with parents. It’s sad.
Dave is still living in the past. Wages have not kept un with inflation. In the 80's, you can get a house in NYC for for 50k. Now it's like 20x more. Pay did not increase that much.
C’mon. The median price of a home nationwide in the 80s was $75k so I find it highly unlikely that you could get one in NYC for $50! Enough with the hyperbole.
It's actually easier because nowadays there are jobs everywhere and the convenience of everything is amazing. Back in the day, our ancestors had limited choices.
@@vickieclark5931 true that. if you cant walk for example. the american dream would be dead for you back then. now you can do soo much while being paralyzed.
I just responded to a comment where the person was 23 and wished he had been born in 1950. I reminded him that he would currently be in Vietnam. Every generation has challenges, and this one is dealing with inflation.
I can sympathize with the sentiment, Vietnam was miserable but at least there was a clear start/end and most people did not need to go. The current situation would be a lot more tenable if everyone knew prices would definitely become widely affordable in 3-5yrs.
@@Joenzinator I’m optimistic there’s some downturns in the near(er) future. My best guess right now is interest rates drop and housing prices go down with it. Right now there are no sellers and even fewer buyers, the market is extremely illiquid at the moment. Once interest rates drop to 4%-5% it should spark a bunch of selling from people who have wanted to move within the past 2 yrs but held off to avoid trading a 3% interest rate for a 7% interest rate. The difference from now and 2.5yrs ago when we had 3% interest rates is that now we’ve had 2.5yrs to accumulate prospective sellers so there’s a backlog. It is true that the lower interest rates will draw in backlogged buyers from the past 2.5yrs as well who have held off because of the high interest rates and that will have the opposite effect (holding prices higher). Despite the added buyers, my assumption is a big part of why this market is so expensive is due to the lack of inventory and liquidity in the market. Even if buyers and sellers did re-enter in equal proportions, I think the higher volume of home sales would drive down prices.
I make $81k, wife makes $30k, we have a $370k house and have a great American dream household. We didn't go to college, we just got technical certifications and worked hard and pinched pennies.
@@nadyadobreva9904 they likely bought it in 2020 with record low interest rates before the market blew up. Like most others probably couldn’t afford it today
I think Dave's mostly right but the part he's missing is even when interest rates were 17%. The overall cost of the home was still lower relative to the average income. He's a math guy so he should know better. But 17% on a $30,000 home is wildly different than 17% on a $400,000 home.
Right around that time ppl said they paid 15-25k for tthere homes ? Comparing that to this economy is just crazy talk Dave has the worse advice I’ve ever heard his advice is for rich ppl no one is making a 15 year loan quarter take home pay mortgage lol ppl can’t even afford a 30 year mortgage anymore let alone double that lol
@@xsgtxbigboy1655 Very small 1000sqft plain jane homes were 40,000 in 1980, Atlanta surburbs. They went up from there but then again in 2011 when the market was flooded I was finding Medium size HUD homes for 40k in the suburbs of Atlanta. I bought my rental home that year for 25k cash! It is a 973sqft 3b/1b with carport in the City of Hampton. Things change and SEARCH for bargans.
Don’t buy a $400k home. Buy cheaper,rent ,or live with parents. Simple and up to you. In the 90s I got pre approved for a 150k mortgage and pushed hard for me to buy a $150k home. I bought a $70k condo.
A median statistic is actually a great way to analyze a market with extreme outliers since it is an outlier resistant statistic. An average would be improper because the outliers would have a greater effect on the results.
Try living on $1400.00 a month, being Widowed, and totally disabled. Im 62.5 yrs old. He's scared of HIS future!? I can only eat one small meal a day, and when things get tough...I dont eat. I know Im not alone in this.
The problem Dave is missing is a lot of cities that were very affordable 30 years ago (Austin TX) are now so far outside of affordability for most people, and it's getting worse and never reversing. I suppose if you're like Dave and already own real estate you're enjoying the risk free 10-15 percent annual gains and don't see anything wrong.
Okay, there's a place at 13013 Buenos Aires Pkwy, Del Valle, TX for $315,000. 3 bedroom, 2.5 bath. 2 car garage. I dunno. I paid $150,000 for my much smaller home in 2003 and it is now upgraded to similar specifications and is probably worth about $300,000 now. House price doubled, but so did wages from back then. Mathematically, it doesn't seem too far out of range then vs now.
That’s how it works. Everyone will not be able to afford a home especially if you don’t like living in affordable states,cities,and towns thinking thinking it’s the middle of nowhere.
The "hard work" part of the American dream formula often gets ignored. I came to this country (legally) as a teenager with just a suitcase of old clothes, 6 months of living expenses and a "you go figure it out yourself" from my parents. I studied like hell in college, taking on average 21 credits per semester to lower my tuition while working almost full time, and my English was so poor I could barely understand what the professors said, but I endured through all that and graduated with a near 4.0 GPA. It was HARD; I often could only get 3-4 hours of sleep. Now I work as a principal scientist at a global pharmaceutical company while owning my own side business. Yes, the American dream is be harder to attain than before because of domestic and global competitions, but that just means you need to work harder and be willing to sacrifice more.
When my grandpa grew up he was able to save the money he made from a few years in the military and bought a 40 acre lot of land with a farmhouse with no mortgage or loan at all, in 2024 not only are you not able to save due to rent and living expenses eating nearly all expendable income of an average wage, you need to go into 30 years of debt where you end up paying twice as much on a house that you will never really own anyway because lets face the fact that even when its paid off you get the privilege of continuing to pay ever rising rent to the government in the form of property taxes. Not only is the dream dead but the nation itself will go the way of the Soviet Union. There's a reason that the vast majority of American financial and economic experts have second passports.
Serious respect to all involved with this existential conversation. This is a master class in civil and emotional discourse (especially emotional discourse)
The inflation of housing to so high that working for an hourly wage of 20 to 35 dollars an hour is not enough to puchase a house and live the American dream.
I already paid off my first house, and I am kicking around buying my 2nd. And do I make $35/hr or above? Hell, NO! I don't know where you're getting this idea that it can't be done.
Dave is spot on. I waited over 10 years to get my house when my savings and income level was right. I don't think i could do it now a days because of my need of instant gratification. Smartphones have ruined us all. I didn't have a cell phone and only ate out one time a month while saving for a home. I don't think i would give up my cell phone now even if i was saving for a house now. Which is a shame statement.... We would rather have an expensive phone then a house.
I think the American Dream is absolutely possible, but it will take longer, Unless you have a BIG push from your parents, expect it to be baby steps over a decade or two post high school graduation.
@@Flatranger not what I said. If you’re taking baby steps you don’t stay under your parents roof. You start with small apartments, then townhomes, then at some point a house etc. (for example). You’re still making advancements forward, it’s just not all at once
Been watching for the past year. This is one of the best, motivational financial videos I’ve seen on this channel and maybe all of RUclips. Sometimes we have to look beyond the numbers, interest rates, etc.
I also don’t like how Dave is telling people to be patient. I’ve saved up $110,000 over the last 29 years of my life to be able to buy a house down payment, and it’s a killer to afford anything in Canada. How much longer should we rent? I’ve been actively trying to find something to buy and Dave is just being ignorant at this point.
Weird how so many immigrants come here with nothing but the shirt on their back and are able to succeed easily while native born Americans think the dream is "dead". SMH.
@@kleindropper Those migrants have the luxury of having their food, housing, childcare, medical expenses, travel all subsidized by huge amounts of tax money that is simply stolen from you and me. Give me back the 30% of my income that gets stolen from me and I'll change my opinion on the American Dream. so your take is not only wrong, its ignorant of the facts at hand.
Excellent advice. I wish I'd had this when I was 18. My parents set a good example by telling me to only go in debt for a mortgage and (a big maybe) for your first car, stay away from credit cards, and pay cash! But Dave just expounds this advice! You'd do well to listen and do as he says. Smart young man for calling.
There has always been an element of sacrifice when buying homes or obtaining some sort of life goal. My ex and I sacrificed "having fun" in our 20's to afford to buy a house in our 30's. Right now I'm sacrificing travel, brunch with friends, and other stuff regular people do (who are up tot their eyeballs in credit card debt) to ensure I'm saving enough for retirement. You can't have your cake and eat it too unless you're already independently wealthy. People who have to work for a living can extend or pretend on credit until they go bust, or they can sacrifice and prioritize financial goals.
No! That's an old, traditional -- yes, Boomer! -- question. Asked that question myself after coming home from Vietnam. But if you plan and manage your life, you can avoid "sacrifices." Where's my tiny violin, so that I can play a woeful tune for you?
Everything in life is a sacrifice. You got to figure out what you’re willing to sacrifice. Most things in life are achievable…you got to know if it’s worth the stress of getting it. People acting like they can’t buy a house or sacrifice 18 months to save up and live below their means is the hardest thing to do in life apparently.
It’s in the numbers. Here in Canada (at least where I live in Ontario), the average home price is over $900,000. I just bought a starter townhouse for $475k but could only put down 15% and the amortization is 25 years. The whole “15 year fixed mortgage where the cost isn’t more than a quarter of your monthly take-home” Dave talks about isn’t mathematically possible. It just isn’t. Not unless you put down 60% or are in the top 0.5% of income earners.
I live in a HCOL area. 15 yrs later out of school I still don't own but my net worth is over 650k. You can still generate wealth while still renting...
We make 140k a year combined, both in our late 20s with no kids. Will be out of debt in October. Houses in our area are 350-450k on average. At 400k, with 20% down, a 7% interest rate, and a 1.87% property tax rate, our payment would be right a $3,000 a month. That's already 37% of our take home pay before any other expenses are added. I understand where this kid is coming from cause 140k feels like it took a lot of hard work to get to, and it still doesn't seem to be enough to buy.
I remember buying my 1st home in '91 2300 sq ft for $39,900 @ 8% and thinking I was overpaying. Bought my 2nd house 1300sq ft in a higher cost area in '99 for $89,900. @6.5% Still in that house. it is now worth $300,000. all paid off and not going anywhere.
This is a supply issue - we should be building more housing to meet demand. Also people are living longer lives so that’s just a natural part of this process that people live longer and stay in their homes longer. Boomers hold a lot of wealth rn - nothing wrong with that it’s just reality.
This convicted me. Thank you. I'm 49, and I've been struggling in my career. It's not financial. It's covidstan that keeps kicking me in the jimmies. Justice delayed is justice denied.
As someone who made terrible financial decisions from age 18-28 and who course corrected and is now living the American dream with over a million dollars household net worth I can say that it is actually very possible to live the American dream today.
Dave is simply saying, GET OUT OF DEBT! INVEST! SAVE FOR A RAINY DAY! AND LEARN HOW INCREASE YOUR (!!!!YOUR!!!!) INCOME. Get off the couch and do something with your life. This is a YOU (!!!YOU!!!) moment.
Under Dave's plan a 600k house requires $120000 and around $275000 gross annual income. Seems super doable for the average dude right? It'll be way worse in 12 years, Dave just can't admit it because he won't have a show anymore
the "american dream" is now on a foreign land, working remote making american money, paying 200K for a mini mansion 😂 Equador, albania, Mexico, Colombia, phillipines, thailand etc. its a shame but the reality is thats whats its become if you make 100K or less(67k is avg us salary) you are priced out of anything in the US unless you go to the boonies whith no people/entertainment and at that point why do that to yourself when you can go to mexico or colombia and live like a king with all the standards & perks of city life
The macro trend is things getting worse, but short-med term prices are likely to go down as the market becomes more liquid (right now it is very frozen / low volume). It’s def possible things are better in 12 yrs vs now, but in half a century things will prob be worse (prob sooner).
@@commonenglishmistakes4360 Probably that unless you are a top 1% individual earner or a top 10% household then housing is probably unaffordable to you right now but there are things you can do now to prepare for a future where the market is more affordable. At the moment rents near me are around half the cost of a comparable mortgage, so rent and budget to the best of your ability and the more you can save the better your position will be when the market is in a state where home buying becomes practically possible again. It’s true that renting is like throwing your money into the void, but right now it sure is a whole lot cheaper to rent vs a mortgage. There’s also the benefit of landlord appt upkeep, if an appliance breaks that’s a landlord responsibility, if a pipe breaks and you get a water leak that’s a landlord responsibility, etc…. with home ownership there will be repair costs on top of the mortgage that would be paid by an landlord for an appt.
That's it Dave. Blame smartphones. Yell at the kids on their skateboards while you're at it. Shake that fist at the sky. 1980 14% interest rates were high... but avg home cost wasn't 4x the average income. I'm 42 yrs old and this isn't a snapshot. It's a downward spiral.
15% in 1982 when the average house cost 69k, median household income was 24.5k = 2.8 years of income to buy a house. 7.8% in 2024 average house is 421k, median household income is 64k = 6.5 years of income to buy a house. I dont know why older generation is so upset at the younger people complaining about this.
I'm gonna send this to my 16 year old. He has been quite affected by watching all these ' it's hopeless, may well not try" videos that are on recently. That's a self-fulfilling prophecy if it's not countered by some true wisdom. Thanks for the wisdom.
I agree. A lot of people don't want to crimp the lifestyle they feel they deserve in order to sacrifice to get ahead. Its possible, but it requires a re-imagining of what your typical lifestyle will be. You may not be able to buy new cars going forward. You may not get a master degree and the associated student loan debt...hell you may not even get a college degree and just pick up a trade instead. The old ways were unsustainable to begin with, now people are going to have to find a new more sustainable way forward in life or do without.
How? I make 100k a year! I can't afford a house and will rent and never retire now. It just is not possible unless I do an APR or do 2% down with 60% of my income going towards the shack in the hood for $2600 a month not including insurance, utilities, or anything else. The 15 year mortgage is not possible for me
@@timgibney5590 the fact that there are people who earn a lot less and have their own home shows that it's possible. If you really want to crunch figures, cut spending and save up for the future it's definitely possible but it takes effort.
@@bagofsteel9152 absolutely no way have they bought a home on. their. own. at 18 or 19 without an inheritance to buy it outright or a co-signer or, possibly, mommy & daddys help. They have zero credit history. Even FHA, HUD, VA will not do it.
@@bagofsteel9152 Absolutely no way an 18, 19 or even a20yo is going to get financed. Not without an inheritance or loan from a relative that they could pay cash outright or a cosigner. They have ZERO credit history. HUD, FHA, VA will not even touch them, let alone a conventional loan. If your friends have told you different they're lying or you heard wrong.
The dream is there like others said you have to work really hard to get the higher pay (seek ways to constantly increase your value either as an employee or employer). The bar has been raised like The Hunger Games. In today’s time it’s chess not checkers. You have to be smarter with your money and finance planning. For me i stopped buying new cars 11yrs ago. I still have my 10yr old car that many folks still say it looks brand new. I use that money and have been throwing it in index funds and invested consistently through out the years without car payments and that paid off. Was able to increase my net worth substantially and purchase my first property a few years ago. The knowledge to get there is now in the palms of your hands (aka smart phone). You just have to live below your means and roll your sleeves and get to work. Not going to be easy, but you will get there if you keep your eyes on the finish line.
Let’s be real. A dollar today is not nearly what it was 20 years ago or even 5 years ago. When I was his age I rented an apartment for 750 per month in 2003. That same apartment is going for 2800 as of last month and that is an hour and a half outside of Manhattan. This kid is going to learn quickly that Long Island isn’t a long term answer for someone in finance at his age plus jobs in finance are turning to automation (I work in finance and alot of people are either being laid off or leaving the field due to low pay). At some point it’s not about living below your means but having a means to live below.
Dave - interest rates isn’t the only part of your home payment. Yes 17% was high but prices were much low were so the total monthly price adjusted for inflation was lower.
Excellent arguments Mr. Ramsey, but the tech issue is a mindset thing, not an "it exists so we are broken" thing. You just have to make deathly certain it never overtakes you! Good luck everyone, and thanks to you Dave for not doomsdaying like most everyone else!
I appealed my property taxes twice and got two reductions. My new insurance premium wasn't as bad as I expected. That's this year, I suspect next year will be a disaster!
You gotta buy something cheap. Make sacrifices while your young and build equity. Then when you wanna settle down you sell and roll your equity into a bigger house. You can't skip the little steps.
I am retired but I was working 13 years before I had any extra to save. My first mortgage was 9%. Yes the American dream is still there but you have to stay focused and work hard.
How much was your house compared with your salary? Let me guess, it was 2-3x your annual salary, unlike how the median home price is 6-7x the median home price today.
@@awill3454 actually somewhere in the middle. The house was $125,000 and yearly salary was $23,400 which is like 5 times. Not quite 6 but definitely not 3.
My first house was $142,000(after my 15k down payment) at 6.7% back in 2003. I was 31 at the time. Just checked the SS logs and I made just over 31k that year. That's means the house was just over 5x my income before the down. Sure, it took me about 3 years to save up for that down payment and I worked a second job after I bought it to get some extra padding in the emergency fund, but I did manage to do it myself. My current home was 4x my current salary in 2020 after the down payment, so it's a little easier to manage, but I also didn't overbuy and get something I couldn't afford, either. Thinking you're going to be positioned to get a house at 18 is not realistic unless your parents are going to get you there or you found a great job and saved like a demon while you were in high school. Not a common thing. It takes time to get established, plan well, and get your timing down. If that someone's dream, it's possible, you just have to work for it.
In the 80’s in the NYC area houses were cheap back then because the city went bankrupt in 76 A lot of high crime. I remember a lot of Burned Out cars as a kid in the Bronx. I got into the construction trades. But I remember some of the older guys in the union construction trades saying they were able to pay their house’s off in two years. Back then with some overtime Ya the rates were high but houses were cheap. They don’t know what there talking about saying it was never affordable. They were giving away buildings back people weren’t paying the rent so the landlords were setting there buildings on fire for insurance jobs. The same with cars It was all over in NYC back then
Dave is wildly unrealistic and disconnected from reality. It's never been harder to have a good life and Retire comfortably. The average mortgage now is 3k a month. Everything costs a million dollars. The only way to live a good life and retire comfortably is to make at least 200k+. What percentage of people under 40 make 200k? 1 2%? It was not like this before. I bought my first house in 2014 and it was a 2000 square foot townhouse. I had a 1400 payment. Growing up, you could have a nice house and Retire comfortably making 80 90k a year. Now a comfortable existence is only for the super elite. We can tell people to improve themselves and get a better job but it's not realistic to expect everyone to make 200k. Incomes haven't grown nearly at pace of inflation. Not even close
its called living within your means....... earn it.... you can do it, you can get it.... you think Yatch owners on Long Island just used college loans and then demanded getting things without putting effort in...... Don't answer that i will..... EFFORT
Not to mention that not everyone can "just improve themselves" to the point of getting a 200k a year job... those jobs are relatively scarce and extremely competitive... for every person that gets that job 7 others didn't and will continue to not get it... that's something Americans rarely reflect on from what I have seen.
Greetings from Bulgaria fellow Ramsey family! Be wise with your money and your time. The time is now to start growing up and build a better life for our families! Gob bless! 🙏
It’s not impossible. You just have to say “no” to getting the latest and greatest smartphone and computer and car every 12months. Americans spend sooo much money on “extras” that they can’t afford the basics, like a house or food. It’s like a child being involved in so many sports and extracurricular activities that his/her grades suffer. Focus on the things you NEED first. And THEN if you are prospering do the extras. A lot of people have this backwards
Dave is right. At 18 buying a home felt like being asked to climb Mount Everest in flip flops. At 29 my ex and I bought our first home (TOGETHER, as a team effort). I'm currently in my second home at 39. When I was 18 the housing market was ridiculously expensive also. Later on that decade the market turned during the Great Financial Crisis and that allowed some people (who managed to stay employed and had savings) to get into the a home. I was unemployed looking for a job and wasn't concerned about buying the dip. The labor market was brutal. Eventually I found another job and saved money for a down payment. We ended up having to move out of state to buy a home. If you think you're going to be buying a home in Miami, New York, Los Angeles, San Francisco at 18 , you're' delusional. Most likely you're going to have to get your priorities in order and make sacrifices to get to where you want to be. If you want a home, that may mean moving away from friends and family to afford one in a city that has he jobs and the housing market that will get you into a home. You may ended up having to drive a beater car for a while because you can't afford to take on a new car payment and pay a mortgage. You may end up not going out to eat or vacationing in order to afford a house because those are luxuries and you're building your emergency fund. These are decisions people make to get ahead. All the doom spenders charging up credit cards this Summer because they think everything is horrible in the world are creating a self-fulfilling prophecy with their finances. Yes, things will be horrible...for you... because you're broke and you decided to double down on broke instead of build yourself up. No you won't be able to take advantage of an opportunity when it inevitably arrives to buy into the housing market. Or into investments that could grow and allow you to afford that down payment. Instead many people will complain about how unfair the economy is when they didn't do anything to help themselves in the first place.
Your advice is so true. Too bad it falls on deaf ears. Whiners here feel it is their birthright to be able to afford a house in LA, SF, SD, Orange Cty, NYC, Miami-- anywhere within 50 miles of the coast. USA is a gargantuan country.
An inconvenient truth is that plenty of affordable houses do exist in USA, contrary to what these whiners have you believe. Ohio and parts of Texas are just two examples. But you nailed it-- home ownership requires sacrifice, like relocating or upgrading one's job skills. Just ask any immigrants, esp. from China or India.
Dave is running a playbook from 20 years ago before home prcies jumped 60% in 2 years and inflation went up 30% since the pandemic. His emergency fund of 1K is only worth about $700 by todays standards. Houses now cost 9X the average salary. His course needs a major upgrade from the same regurgitated antics of "better than I deserve" and "just east rice and beans."
Fantastic video! I have incurred so much losses trading on my own.... I trade well on demo but I think the real market is manipulated.... Can anyone help me out or at least tell me what I'm doing wrong??
Investing with an expert is the best strategy for beginners and busy investors, as most failures and losses in investment usually happen when you invest without proper guidance. I'm speaking from experience.
I think the line in the sand will always be there between those making it happen going "it's tough but possible" and those who cant or wont make the same sacrifices with the same patience going "i cant do it so its impossible"
They always forget my generation. It’s either boomers or millenials. Even Dave, the uh, generation after mine. GEN X people!! They NEVER mention Gen X when they compare anything.
Although they’ve got a point about most “normal” people not being able to afford a house on Long Island now, my grandfather did. He was a Korean navy veteran, and worked for the State of New York until he received his GI bill, state pension, and social security and had a house with four boys and a fiancé in the past. The American Dream was attainable in Long Island area for a long time. He was an immigrant from England in 1950, after dealing with Nazi Germany for years of his life in London. Things were and are still tight there, but not impossible for many.
@georgewagner7787 that maby true but besides the interest rate it is now 7× more for a house and two married people can't get approved for a house unless your making 100000 to 200000 and the wages aren't there to keep up like they have in the past. A house should be achievable and unless ur making a crap ton it's not for at least 50 to 80 % of the population that is sad.
@@jolenekaske5884 Can't afford anything, or can't afford their dream home in a fun exciting city within walking distance of their dream job? Yes, the housing market is bonkers, but so are people's expectations.
@LaneDenson every aspect of everyday life is more housing food gas the main things everyone needs. No, I'm not talking the extras. lol cut ALL that out years ago. . . Tell me ur not feeling it, and I will say ur lying or rich at this point
The first apple phone came out June 2007. I know because I bought one of the first ones. The only Apple Store back then was at there headquarters on 5th ave 59 street
I'm retired but work a few hours a week. I am not rich but I have a cheap house in a rural county without much of an economy. I agree with what you're saying about a snapshot not being prognostic for how things will be. I've just been happy to be self-supporting, performing necessary or interesting jobs. I'm sure I could have focused more on money, but I'm happy and reasonably secure.
I was raised in a poor household. I wish at a young age, I had gone to one of my successful friends parents and asked for mentorship. I love my parents and they raised me in a house full of love. But I don't believe that poor parents can teach you how to be wealthy, because they don't know how to be, themselves. I was told to find something I like doing for a career. I think that's terrible advice. I would have told myself, find something that pays amazingly and do that. It doesn't matter if you hate it, you'll be rich and able to retire early. That still sounds better than doing a job I love and never being able to retire. Sometimes you can have both, but I think whether you like the job or not should be secondary to the standard of living it provides.
It's a struggle out there! Even doing no debt and being responsible, all our bills are up a minimum of 20%. We used to be able to get by with one income. Not any more. We're lucky we bought a house when we did. Easy for Dave to say, he doesn't deal with an average or upper middle income. We are struggling!
@@tylerhair9067 we said the same thing in’05. And then they did. Maybe prices won’t drop. Maybe only price growth will slow. And interest rates drop. Then they’ll be more affordable
EXACTLY! This too shall pass. Cynicism and despair don't get you anywhere, but hard work and patience can make you end up in at least a fairly good situation anytime!
Based on the Ramsey rules to buy the average home in America would require an income of $190k. Average home is $420k. With 20% down and a 15 year fixed at 6.8% the mortgage will be $2,961 a month, meaning you’ll need to earn $12,000 a month after taxes. Does that seem like a totally reasonable thing considering the average household income is around $70k?
For my grandparents the average home was 2x the average income. For my parents it’s was 3x. Today it’s 7x. Yes it’s possible but to say it’s the same today as it was for previous generations is so economically illiterate it’s astounding.
Does that mean you give up? Of course not. But this constant refusal to acknowledge reality doesn’t help anyone.
Thank you for this^. I'm sure Dave has heard and knows all of this, but he just continues to beat the same drum, with no willingness to accept that things are very different now compared to just a few years ago. If you owned a home before the pandemic, you are pretty much in a different economic class because of it
It's the inflation of all products that is the problem. We paid $89,900 for, our house, but right now we are told that our house is worth $156,000. We couldn't afford to finance our house, at today's rates. Thank God, we were able to pay off, our house, a couple of years ago.
Plenty of homes in the $200K range. $50K a year is enough. Mortgage rates are still at historic lows. Got it buddy.
@miketheyunggod2534 it sounds like you don’t understand what averages are
Real estate is very much influenced by location. Taking an overall average isnt really a great way to look at it. I took a job in philly vs boston when I graduated specifically because cost of living is much lower. Current median home price here is around 260k.
You can achieve the American dream. You cannot ignore that it's getting harder and harder.
Unfortunately, theres lots of people in the comments here denying that.
@@jer1776can care less about who disagrees with it. Inflation is up, groceries are up, housing is up. It is objectively getting harder to achieve.
Harder for lazy people😂
At what point is it considered dead though?
If 1 single person in the country can afford a home, the American Dream is technically not dead.
Right now at this moment something like 5% of prospective buyers can comfortably afford a home.
Is that still practical?
@@JudeDude409
Just harder for you to achieve.
Dave failed to mention that despite those high interest rates, house prices were less than half what they are today as a multiple of median salary at each respective time.
Even more reason to be grateful that those high interest rates don't exist today!
And houses themselves were less than half the size they are today, speaking of medians. Smaller houses in one area are much cheaper than larger houses in the same area. If people would quit buying so much crap they don’t need, then there wouldn’t be a reason to buy a much bigger house in order to store more crap they don’t need
In short, if you really want to get ahead, quit buying crap you don’t need. Do I have to say it a fourth time?
Half??? Try like 20% the price. My house right now would sell for about $250K. In 1980 it would have sold for 50k
that's why i say even if you grow up on the street, work and become rich, as you became rich you loose a lil sense of reality on how hard life can be for poor people. but dave still GOAT
That might be so that house prices were much lower but he’s right in reframing the problem. Somethings were easier back then somethings were also much harder back then too.
Anecdotal but My cousin 9 years younger than me bought a house before I and most of my cousins at 25
From similar homes, we grew up together what did he do different?
He even bought property before his older brothers.
Basically this kid has to move out of town away from his family until he can afford to move back in 20 years. Got it!
uh, yep. It's freakin Long Island. I am sure he could find a rental apartment but buying a house in his early 20s in unreasonable.
If this call came from a 30 year old instead of an 18 year old, they would not have focused so much on his age. The fact is Americans quality of life is deteriorating and many Millennials and Gen Z are facing major challenges in the housing market, starting a family, and just trying to survive and keep up with inflation.
@@DWEthiopia yep mid 30s n still same
Millennials shouldn’t have waited until the last 4 years to start their lives. Prices were great up until Covid.
American just discovered inflation and now its the culprit to all the problems. You had ONE year of high inflation in this country (~8%), because of those fat COVID checks the government sent to people, but that inflation is no more. Current inflation rates are declining in getting very close to the pre-pandemic ones.
@miqueiaspaulo1 🤣😂 sure they are 😆 compare now to the great depression the actual numbers and conversation to today's money . . . Actuality look then say what u just said 🤭🤯🤦♀️
@@miqueiaspaulo1 That is a misnomer. Their were plenty of businesses that also profiteered from the pandemic, but no one is blaming them for the even bigger checks via "loans" they received during the pandemic and didn't pay back, despite not fulfilling the guidelines to receiving the "loans."
Part of the inflation was due to supply chain and logistical failures during the pandemic and while we were making war with countries who supplied some of these products (ie, neon needed to make semiconductor chips is supplied by Ukraine as a byproduct of Russian steel which is used in 90% of all semiconductor chips). Due to all the shutdowns, companies could not receive certain products or they came at a slower pace, which played a part on the supply side of production, and causing a rise in prices.
But this is not it! Also, our proxy wars with other countries, and provoking certain OPEC countries, who have decided to "regulate" how much oil and gas is produced and sold to us at a greater cost, helped to increase oil and gas prices which increases the costs logistically to move and exports goods at a greater cost. And of course, energy is needed to make the products, and you can say also this has also contributed to inflation.
The Great Resignation also contributed to the rise in prices when workers decided they had enough and they could walk away and get a job elsewhere paying more affordable wages elsewhere, and leaving behind jobs that paid very little and could not sustain them--or grew tired of the mental and physical trauma of the workplace and leaving a big hole in the low-wage job market. [Some people blamed "the checks" in this area, but those couple of thousand dollar checks would not have sustained them very long--maybe a month and a half (tops, if living extremely frugally), but not long enough.]
And finally, the elephant in the room that very few have addressed--corporate greed. These larger corporations have been exuding with pride in the stockholder meetings how profits have never been so high, and their plans to make as much profit as they can during this crisis. Of course, there have been several recordings of multiple meeting from different companies made and shared of these stockholder meetings. And do these profits "trickle down"? No. Not to the employees and not to improve the product or it's standards. The profits are used instead to line the pockets of shareholders and corporate leaders and to artificially inflate their own stock prices--it's how they avoid any tax burden and it makes it look like their company is doing better than it's actually worth. It also gives the perception that the economy looks better than it is--as a lot of people look to the stock market rather than how well average families are holding it down during this crisis.
By the time that 18 year old is 30 years old, that same $600,000 house could very easily be $1.2 million dollars, that's the problem, and Dave isn't addressing that issue.
I got a cousin that is exactly what happened to him he was going to buy a house for 240 that was the price during 2019 he got the money now but that same house is worth 450
But that's no problem for the owner of the house, in fact it's great for them. So who is right?
@@kbanghartcontrary to what social media may promote, single family housing should not be an investment venture. It should be affordable for everyone (scaled to different income levels). You shouldn’t be buying a house with the expectation that you will make a fortune on said house in the short term….
First, easily? Second, what exactly do you want him to say?
@kbanghart
The problem is that when people can't procure housing, they delay or even forgo having a family, and then you have declining birth rates, and when you have declining birth rates, there's not enough young people to continue society into the future.
In 1980, interest rates were high and home prices were very low
In 2020, interest rates were very low and home prices were high
From 2022, interest rates are high and home prices are very high
Now it doesn't look like either is coming down soon enough.
All of this has made people who bought houses before 2022 extremely smug and arrogant.
And it has made people who haven't bought a home yet, go into despair.
I still don't think that the American dream is dead but it takes much much longer for a person today to own a home than those who bought in 1980.
Some compassion and understanding and dropping the arrogance will go a long way!
Interest rates are not high. They are medium.
@@amireallythatgrumpy6508 your skipping the actual math and only gawking at the numbers and going "goly g this here number is bigger than that one"
@@BerserkEscaflowne In other words doing the only thing that is relevant.
@@amireallythatgrumpy6508 you have to complete the math formula also
@@amireallythatgrumpy6508 you have to complete the formula all the way out the term of the loan then you can see the only thing that is relevant
Inflating the money supply by a trillion dollars every 100 days leaves us all poor
This will not end well.
That's exactly what it is. Massive government spending, debt, and inflation. Add in that a side of greedy boomers and housing speculation you get a recipe for borderline turkey shacks being sold as half million dollar luxury homes.
uh, they did that for the last year every year since 2020...
Thanks Biden.
Inflation is a hidden tax on the poor, AKA, anyone who does not leverage assets. That's why Mr. Dave's plan is ideal for most people. Buying a house with a 15 year mortgage and investing in broad market funds. It's a balance between financial abilities and max value.
My aunt and uncle bought a home back in 2001 in Orange County for a bit over $240k. Today it is worth $1.2 million. That’s an increase of about 5X. Their salaries? They’ve only increased by about 2x. Had they tried to purchase the same home today, they’ve would’ve gotten laughed at
10x 240k is not 1.2 million.
@@mustangthings I got trigger happy🤣 but still 5X the home price vs 2X salary increase is still a significant difference
When no one ever talks about, is that there are a whole areas, neighborhoods, suburbs, that are developed now that we’re not available before. So yes, it would be difficult to buy the exact same house in the exact same location, but there are other places to live that she didn’t have the opportunity to live in, which she was your age
Exactly but Bald Ramsey doesn’t like facts
@@user-qp2qe5gf9boh the coffee and avocado toast propaganda. Housing is still way way way more expensive relative to wages now. Seriously, how damn difficult is that to understand?
Ramsey’s refusal to acknowledge that housing prices have doubled in the last 5 years and left a lot of young Americans hurting feels like gaslighting at this point. “No it’s always been that way” okay Dave.
He hasn't "refused to acknowledge" housing prices have increased. He's said many times that yes, the prices are up, and furthermore they are most likely not going to go down to where they were previously. There's no "gaslighting" going on.
I agree, the housing market is horrible. A person making minimum wage likely has to have a roommate or they live with a family. Unfortunately, some people believe that we are living in the worst of times. *Some* of these same people , NOT ALL, have a Starbucks account, go to restaurants, travel, pay for steaming services, have an expensive cell phone with a horrible plan, fast internet connections, and credit card debt. It’s difficult for many to understand the difference between a want and a need.
I love how people believe gaslighting means “I have a different opinion than you”
Social media as well with young people pretending to be so rich is really messing up with people’s expectations.
Agree!
He’s only 18? Man just live. Don’t injure your body. Stay healthy. Have a good spiritual routine. Get out of debt. Stay out of trouble. Be kind. Blessings will pursue you but don’t let opportunities pass you by without thinking hard about it.
No he's doing alright thinking about his financial future. If you live without a plan and then 10 years down the road you'll find yourself nowhere in life
@@blackspiderman1887this has been the sad fact for my childhood friends. I have a house, on track to get married and have a dual income house with fairly decent careers. All with no debt besides the house which is 18% of our income and we are on track to pay it off early. My friends I’ve known since childhood have zero plans for the future and make more money in their household than ours and they have 2 new cars, cheap 1 bedroom apartment and less than 1,000 in savings but they take vacations every 2-4 months. It’s sad that they could be much better off but are paycheck to paycheck and have firmly refused help with doing a budget or having me teach them finances. At the end of the day people with the want will prepare and people without will have to hit rock bottom to want the drive to succeed.
@@blackspiderman1887kind of is ,kind of it’s not, but no doubt we have a mental health crisis going on right now and thinking that at 18 with anxiety is the result of too much social media and “HEADLINES”.
@@blackspiderman1887 nobody said don’t have a plan. But even Dave mentions the Bible regularly. Jesus said it, Paul said it, and others too, read phillipians chapter 4 starting at verse 6. Don’t be anxious over money,wealth, or material possessions. That’s the point that I was making is that he shouldn’t be anxious about his livelihood unless there’s a major problem that needs to be addressed. Seems like he was just anxious when he didn’t need to be.
@@michaelcatalanottohandyman your advice isnt practical though. You said "have a good spiritual routine, get out of debt, be kind, and stay out of trouble and blessing will come your way. Well I got news for you. The world don't work like that. I have a friend who does all that and he's broke and lives with his mother over 40 years old. So if you're gonna tell someone 'dont worry" you need to follow up with more practical ways to take care of themselves other than "be kind and the Lord will bless you". The Lord bless those who get up and make things happen. He don't just let things fall in your lap because you're a kind person
We are in America. We are spoiled even when things are tough
Been to the Philippines...it's ridiculous how easy we have it here.
People I know there live in a Hut and still feed orphans
@@tristan2332
Been to Philippines and 64 other countries including Peace Corps in Haiti.
First world issues in the U.S..
This is objectively true.
But this is literally what the title to the video is about. The “American Dream” isn’t to live in a hut or a small apartment your whole life.
To say normal people were never able to buy a house on Long Island is just plain wrong. I grew up there. My parents were "normal" and bought their first house in Levittown in the late 70s on a single income (pretty median level job--nothing fancy or high salary). They fixed it up a lot, sold it, and moved out and up to the next house further out on the island, but still affordable and in a nice town. Things have rapidly declined due to a lot of factors, but nowadays, a single income family of 4 could never do that without being completely underwater with debt. So, it HAS changed quite a bit in the last 30-40 years.
Were your parents 18 when they bought this home? I’m guessing not. And again, you’re looking at one point in time and extrapolating it was always that way.
What went wrong on LI is foreign investment, and illegal flooding/blockbusting. Not to mention out of control taxation and overpaid public employees.
@steveguillory7568 mine were 25 in 1990 when they paid $200k for their home while making $75k. Inflation adjusted their income was worth about $150k today. That $200k home is now worth $1MM. No one making $150k has any business buying a $1MM home. You need to earn twice as much to buy the same home as your parents.
Did you even listen to what they said? Apples and oranges is what you’re comparing. You’re trying to make a point out of nothing that Boy is 18. They’re talking about him as an 18-year-old. Being able to afford a home and no 18-year-old being able to afford a home at $600,000 unless they won the lottery.
@@nailatiylluf ok let me try this a different way. How much was that home in ‘05 before the gfc? How much did it fall by 2012? How much more affordable was the home in 2019 vs today? Yes, things are hard right now. Doesn’t mean they’ll never improve.
Stop watching the news people, it's not there to make you happy.
It's not the news that's scary to me, it's property buying websites.
@UltimateIrishRebel or even the store, car, house, kids . . . it's everywhere, not just the news
He’s not wrong. Housing is more unaffordable than any time in US history. Homes appreciated +50% since 2020 and now you have to finance it with a 7% mortgage. You need a family income of over $100k to buy the median home price in the US. I bought a $410k house last year and I spend almost 40% of my take home pay on a $165k salary to afford the mortgage, taxes and insurance.
Ramsey is so out of touch. Every thing was on easy mode for Boomers.
The truth is a lot of people are struggling out there. We are suffering and don’t know where our next meal is coming from. Student loan relief and a proper UBI would go a long way in helping us out. We could pay our bills and put food on the table. Why don’t George and Dave want that for us?
@@costco_pizza Reality precludes a proper UBI.
My son is 30, single, elevator mechanic and just bought his first home in Austin, Texas.
He waited until it was the right time for him.
With a mortgage or paid it fully?
@@nadyadobreva9904 I would guess a mortgage. Also he probably has a spouse helping him (I did too at that age 10 years ago). Some people house hack and rent out rooms or buy a duplex and rent out the other half of the building. Home ownership isn't like what you see on TV. People sometimes have to make it work.
My ex and I bought around age 30 also. The right time to buy a house is when you can afford it. That situation varies by individual.
@@GigaChad_169 its says single
@@jmanrock11 Good point. Even better for him!
The American Dream is very hard to achieve. I no longer have the "old American Dream." Instead of a house, I now dream of always having a roof over my head, food in my belly, and access to healthcare.
The average Income needed to buy a house from 2019 to 2024 has risen by almost 50% to $114K. Average home price in 2019 was $261K. Now it’s over $435K.
Dave is out of touch. I make over $100k a year and I can't even buy a house. The prices and rates are out of control.
"I bought a house with my wife in 1980 when I was 25, you can do it too!"
Stop looking at global averages. They distort the picture. Look at average starter home prices, average salaries of 20 to 30 year olds and average spending of those same people for standard spending - transport, eating out, technology, food to cook at home, clothing, holidays, etc
Adjust comparisons for inflation, they’re still bad but a bit more tenable.
Comparing in absolute terms is pointless with inflation changes, same reason I get worked up about people directly comparing 1960 home prices to 2024 home prices… yeah it might be 10x higher but you also earn 5x as much so calling it a 10x increase is a bit dishonest.
Don’t get me wrong though, even on an inflation adjusted basis home prices are extremely unaffordable for the vast majority right now.
@@somelolplayer6199 true but when you factor in the increase in wages being eaten up by inflation it really doesn’t matter. The housing issues began over two decades ago with the lack of supply and everything else just got baked in. Most people I know under 40 are renting and some are even living at home with parents. It’s sad.
Dave is still living in the past. Wages have not kept un with inflation.
In the 80's, you can get a house in NYC for for 50k. Now it's like 20x more.
Pay did not increase that much.
C’mon. The median price of a home nationwide in the 80s was $75k so I find it highly unlikely that you could get one in NYC for $50! Enough with the hyperbole.
@@steveguillory7568 I said NYC. Even 75k is still cheap.
You could only get a house in NYC for 50K in the 1880s.
@@amireallythatgrumpy6508 Go and look it up.
Ill happily take 17% interest rates if I can buy a home for $50k or $100k again
It’s not dead, but it’s only getting harder. This kid has the benefit of being smart at 18 and not piling on the debt. He should do well
It's actually easier because nowadays there are jobs everywhere and the convenience of everything is amazing. Back in the day, our ancestors had limited choices.
@@vickieclark5931 true that. if you cant walk for example. the american dream would be dead for you back then. now you can do soo much while being paralyzed.
What are these responses, I feel like they’re boomers trying to gaslight younger generations.
The kid is already $116k in debt with his student loans...
@@benlaine400what are you talking about ? He said he’s 16k in debt, not 116k.
I just responded to a comment where the person was 23 and wished he had been born in 1950. I reminded him that he would currently be in Vietnam. Every generation has challenges, and this one is dealing with inflation.
He’d have roughly a 1 in 18 chance to go to war in Vietnam. If he was college educated he’d be even less likely
Lmao, he's basically saying i wish i got everything dirt cheap like the boomers but unfortunately was born in 2000s.
I can sympathize with the sentiment, Vietnam was miserable but at least there was a clear start/end and most people did not need to go.
The current situation would be a lot more tenable if everyone knew prices would definitely become widely affordable in 3-5yrs.
@@somelolplayer6199 probably more like 10-15 years, but prices will ease as the boomers start leaving this earth.
@@Joenzinator I’m optimistic there’s some downturns in the near(er) future.
My best guess right now is interest rates drop and housing prices go down with it.
Right now there are no sellers and even fewer buyers, the market is extremely illiquid at the moment.
Once interest rates drop to 4%-5% it should spark a bunch of selling from people who have wanted to move within the past 2 yrs but held off to avoid trading a 3% interest rate for a 7% interest rate.
The difference from now and 2.5yrs ago when we had 3% interest rates is that now we’ve had 2.5yrs to accumulate prospective sellers so there’s a backlog.
It is true that the lower interest rates will draw in backlogged buyers from the past 2.5yrs as well who have held off because of the high interest rates and that will have the opposite effect (holding prices higher).
Despite the added buyers, my assumption is a big part of why this market is so expensive is due to the lack of inventory and liquidity in the market.
Even if buyers and sellers did re-enter in equal proportions, I think the higher volume of home sales would drive down prices.
I make $81k, wife makes $30k, we have a $370k house and have a great American dream household. We didn't go to college, we just got technical certifications and worked hard and pinched pennies.
When did you purchase the house?
I love hearing this 💗
Do you already own the house, or you still are paying a mortgage for it.
@@nadyadobreva9904 they likely bought it in 2020 with record low interest rates before the market blew up. Like most others probably couldn’t afford it today
@@JeffTheTrader Do you own a home?
I think Dave's mostly right but the part he's missing is even when interest rates were 17%. The overall cost of the home was still lower relative to the average income. He's a math guy so he should know better. But 17% on a $30,000 home is wildly different than 17% on a $400,000 home.
Right around that time ppl said they paid 15-25k for tthere homes ? Comparing that to this economy is just crazy talk Dave has the worse advice I’ve ever heard his advice is for rich ppl no one is making a 15 year loan quarter take home pay mortgage lol ppl can’t even afford a 30 year mortgage anymore let alone double that lol
@@xsgtxbigboy1655 Very small 1000sqft plain jane homes were 40,000 in 1980, Atlanta surburbs. They went up from there but then again in 2011 when the market was flooded I was finding Medium size HUD homes for 40k in the suburbs of Atlanta. I bought my rental home that year for 25k cash! It is a 973sqft 3b/1b with carport in the City of Hampton. Things change and SEARCH for bargans.
@@xsgtxbigboy1655 However they also only made like 5k a year.
Don’t buy a $400k home. Buy cheaper,rent ,or live with parents.
Simple and up to you.
In the 90s I got pre approved for a 150k mortgage and pushed hard for me to buy a $150k home. I bought a $70k condo.
17%? that is not the interest rate right now. It's more like 7 or 8% for house loans.
A median statistic is actually a great way to analyze a market with extreme outliers since it is an outlier resistant statistic. An average would be improper because the outliers would have a greater effect on the results.
“I am unwilling to wait for anything.”
Even for his cohost to finish his sentence.
Try living on $1400.00 a month, being Widowed, and totally disabled. Im 62.5 yrs old. He's scared of HIS future!? I can only eat one small meal a day, and when things get tough...I dont eat. I know Im not alone in this.
The problem Dave is missing is a lot of cities that were very affordable 30 years ago (Austin TX) are now so far outside of affordability for most people, and it's getting worse and never reversing.
I suppose if you're like Dave and already own real estate you're enjoying the risk free 10-15 percent annual gains and don't see anything wrong.
Okay, there's a place at 13013 Buenos Aires Pkwy, Del Valle, TX for $315,000. 3 bedroom, 2.5 bath. 2 car garage.
I dunno. I paid $150,000 for my much smaller home in 2003 and it is now upgraded to similar specifications and is probably worth about $300,000 now. House price doubled, but so did wages from back then.
Mathematically, it doesn't seem too far out of range then vs now.
Another one at 15218 Parrish Ln, Austin, TX 78725 $260,000. It looks nice by my standards.
It doesn't look hella out of affordability to me.
Yup, San Francisco Bay Area
That’s how it works.
Everyone will not be able to afford a home especially if you don’t like living in affordable states,cities,and towns thinking thinking it’s the middle of nowhere.
@@paulstandaert5709 Wages have not doubled. What are you talking about?
The "hard work" part of the American dream formula often gets ignored. I came to this country (legally) as a teenager with just a suitcase of old clothes, 6 months of living expenses and a "you go figure it out yourself" from my parents. I studied like hell in college, taking on average 21 credits per semester to lower my tuition while working almost full time, and my English was so poor I could barely understand what the professors said, but I endured through all that and graduated with a near 4.0 GPA. It was HARD; I often could only get 3-4 hours of sleep. Now I work as a principal scientist at a global pharmaceutical company while owning my own side business. Yes, the American dream is be harder to attain than before because of domestic and global competitions, but that just means you need to work harder and be willing to sacrifice more.
When my grandpa grew up he was able to save the money he made from a few years in the military and bought a 40 acre lot of land with a farmhouse with no mortgage or loan at all, in 2024 not only are you not able to save due to rent and living expenses eating nearly all expendable income of an average wage, you need to go into 30 years of debt where you end up paying twice as much on a house that you will never really own anyway because lets face the fact that even when its paid off you get the privilege of continuing to pay ever rising rent to the government in the form of property taxes. Not only is the dream dead but the nation itself will go the way of the Soviet Union. There's a reason that the vast majority of American financial and economic experts have second passports.
Serious respect to all involved with this existential conversation. This is a master class in civil and emotional discourse (especially emotional discourse)
The inflation of housing to so high that working for an hourly wage of 20 to 35 dollars an hour is not enough to puchase a house and live the American dream.
I already paid off my first house, and I am kicking around buying my 2nd. And do I make $35/hr or above? Hell, NO!
I don't know where you're getting this idea that it can't be done.
I think where you live plays a huge role in achieving that. Props to you, though. @paulstandaert5709
@@paulstandaert5709any average person knows he is correct. Funny how wealthy and boomers just cant get that through their thick skulls.
“Work 5 extra jobs !” Is what the Ramsey show would say
@@Mo-wq1oq yeah man gotta move somewhere that you can afford that has no jobs and is run down
Dave is spot on. I waited over 10 years to get my house when my savings and income level was right. I don't think i could do it now a days because of my need of instant gratification. Smartphones have ruined us all.
I didn't have a cell phone and only ate out one time a month while saving for a home. I don't think i would give up my cell phone now even if i was saving for a house now. Which is a shame statement.... We would rather have an expensive phone then a house.
The psychology of money is a REALLY good book to read in this area
I think the American Dream is absolutely possible, but it will take longer, Unless you have a BIG push from your parents, expect it to be baby steps over a decade or two post high school graduation.
The American dream includes having near adult children two decades post high school, not buying your first home.
@@Flatrangerwhat? No
Exactly. So long as it’s your goal, god willing, eventually you’ll have it.
@@Flatranger not what I said. If you’re taking baby steps you don’t stay under your parents roof. You start with small apartments, then townhomes, then at some point a house etc. (for example). You’re still making advancements forward, it’s just not all at once
@@Flatranger ?? I bought my first house a decade after graduating high school, and my first kid a decade after that. No complaints here.
Been watching for the past year. This is one of the best, motivational financial videos I’ve seen on this channel and maybe all of RUclips. Sometimes we have to look beyond the numbers, interest rates, etc.
I also don’t like how Dave is telling people to be patient. I’ve saved up $110,000 over the last 29 years of my life to be able to buy a house down payment, and it’s a killer to afford anything in Canada. How much longer should we rent? I’ve been actively trying to find something to buy and Dave is just being ignorant at this point.
“It’s called the American dream because you have to be asleep to believe it”
Weird how so many immigrants come here with nothing but the shirt on their back and are able to succeed easily while native born Americans think the dream is "dead". SMH.
@@kleindropper Those migrants have the luxury of having their food, housing, childcare, medical expenses, travel all subsidized by huge amounts of tax money that is simply stolen from you and me. Give me back the 30% of my income that gets stolen from me and I'll change my opinion on the American Dream. so your take is not only wrong, its ignorant of the facts at hand.
@@kleindropperbecause our government gives them everything for free
@@kleindropper because the quality of life compared to a dirt hut is still better... it's just not as good as it used to be for the Americans here...
Reminder a super rich phony hippie said that. Carlin literally bought a private jet to shelter taxes.
I make 52k, my wife makes 40k; we were able to purchase a duplex that needed some work for 155k. Living and loving the American dream!
Yeah 17% interest rate on homes that cost 60k and now it’s 7% on homes that are over 400k
Yep, and if you dont currently have $80k saved for a down payment next year youll need $100k.
All the more reason to be grateful interest rates are 17% today.
Exactly, the barrier to entry was much lower
You didn’t listen to the last couple minutes
At 18 the last thing on my mind was buying a house.
That's when I starting saving for my deposit
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Excellent advice. I wish I'd had this when I was 18. My parents set a good example by telling me to only go in debt for a mortgage and (a big maybe) for your first car, stay away from credit cards, and pay cash! But Dave just expounds this advice! You'd do well to listen and do as he says. Smart young man for calling.
Japan has 100 year mortgages to make the dreams possible 😂
Those were more common there in the 80’s and 90’s
Who he hell wants a 100 year mortgage?
@@navigator72
Hawaii has 99 year lease last I checked.
@@navigator72 someone who wants to qualify for a house.
Don't be stupid and make minimum payments, pay that bish off in 10-30 years.
@@navigator72 It's funny because I think "mortgage" literally is latin for "dead pledge".
I’m 25 years old & I bought my home in the post-covid era. It’s very difficult, but IS possible! Anyone CAN do it if they WILL do it!
Basically if you didnt buy a house in 2020 or before, you're screwed.
Yep!😔
No..
@@buklao I'm so lucky I closed on my house in Feb of 2020... I didn't think the covid thing would be a big deal
It's coming back. RELAX! History matters.
@@garyzimmerman6316people refuse to see past their nose
Dave is right- today’s society does not have patience and wants instant gratification and not willing to sacrifice and live below their means .
It's still possible. The new question is "What are you willing to sacrifice to get it?" - Your health? Your family? Your children?
There has always been an element of sacrifice when buying homes or obtaining some sort of life goal. My ex and I sacrificed "having fun" in our 20's to afford to buy a house in our 30's. Right now I'm sacrificing travel, brunch with friends, and other stuff regular people do (who are up tot their eyeballs in credit card debt) to ensure I'm saving enough for retirement. You can't have your cake and eat it too unless you're already independently wealthy. People who have to work for a living can extend or pretend on credit until they go bust, or they can sacrifice and prioritize financial goals.
No! That's an old, traditional -- yes, Boomer! -- question. Asked that question myself after coming home from Vietnam. But if you plan and manage your life, you can avoid "sacrifices." Where's my tiny violin, so that I can play a woeful tune for you?
Sacrifice going out to eat, expensive vacations, new cell phones, streaming services, Starbucks. No need to sacrifice your health and your children.
Everything in life is a sacrifice. You got to figure out what you’re willing to sacrifice. Most things in life are achievable…you got to know if it’s worth the stress of getting it. People acting like they can’t buy a house or sacrifice 18 months to save up and live below their means is the hardest thing to do in life apparently.
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As much as Dave can be rough, this was one of the most encouraging videos I've ever seen. Papa Dave really came through. I needed to hear this,
"Whether you think you can or can't, you're right."- Stewie Griffin.
9:18 I like how Dave says “Huh-whining”. 😂
It’s in the numbers. Here in Canada (at least where I live in Ontario), the average home price is over $900,000. I just bought a starter townhouse for $475k but could only put down 15% and the amortization is 25 years. The whole “15 year fixed mortgage where the cost isn’t more than a quarter of your monthly take-home” Dave talks about isn’t mathematically possible. It just isn’t. Not unless you put down 60% or are in the top 0.5% of income earners.
Very calm, clear advice. ❤
I live in a HCOL area. 15 yrs later out of school I still don't own but my net worth is over 650k. You can still generate wealth while still renting...
You're generating wealth...for the landlord using you to buy his property, which is an asset that has doubled in value in the past 5 years.
We make 140k a year combined, both in our late 20s with no kids. Will be out of debt in October. Houses in our area are 350-450k on average. At 400k, with 20% down, a 7% interest rate, and a 1.87% property tax rate, our payment would be right a $3,000 a month. That's already 37% of our take home pay before any other expenses are added. I understand where this kid is coming from cause 140k feels like it took a lot of hard work to get to, and it still doesn't seem to be enough to buy.
I remember buying my 1st home in '91 2300 sq ft for $39,900 @ 8% and thinking I was overpaying. Bought my 2nd house 1300sq ft in a higher cost area in '99 for $89,900. @6.5% Still in that house. it is now worth $300,000. all paid off and not going anywhere.
This is a supply issue - we should be building more housing to meet demand. Also people are living longer lives so that’s just a natural part of this process that people live longer and stay in their homes longer. Boomers hold a lot of wealth rn - nothing wrong with that it’s just reality.
This convicted me. Thank you.
I'm 49, and I've been struggling in my career. It's not financial. It's covidstan that keeps kicking me in the jimmies.
Justice delayed is justice denied.
The problem is people in their 30s now can’t afford a home when people in their 30s back then already had a home and children
As someone who made terrible financial decisions from age 18-28 and who course corrected and is now living the American dream with over a million dollars household net worth I can say that it is actually very possible to live the American dream today.
Dave is simply saying, GET OUT OF DEBT! INVEST! SAVE FOR A RAINY DAY! AND LEARN HOW INCREASE YOUR (!!!!YOUR!!!!) INCOME. Get off the couch and do something with your life. This is a YOU (!!!YOU!!!) moment.
Under Dave's plan a 600k house requires $120000 and around $275000 gross annual income. Seems super doable for the average dude right? It'll be way worse in 12 years, Dave just can't admit it because he won't have a show anymore
Ok, so if Dave's wrong, what advise would you give to someone now who wants to face the challenges of life and plan a good future?
the "american dream" is now on a foreign land, working remote making american money, paying 200K for a mini mansion 😂 Equador, albania, Mexico, Colombia, phillipines, thailand etc. its a shame but the reality is thats whats its become if you make 100K or less(67k is avg us salary) you are priced out of anything in the US unless you go to the boonies whith no people/entertainment and at that point why do that to yourself when you can go to mexico or colombia and live like a king with all the standards & perks of city life
@@commonenglishmistakes4360 ^
The macro trend is things getting worse, but short-med term prices are likely to go down as the market becomes more liquid (right now it is very frozen / low volume).
It’s def possible things are better in 12 yrs vs now, but in half a century things will prob be worse (prob sooner).
@@commonenglishmistakes4360 Probably that unless you are a top 1% individual earner or a top 10% household then housing is probably unaffordable to you right now but there are things you can do now to prepare for a future where the market is more affordable.
At the moment rents near me are around half the cost of a comparable mortgage, so rent and budget to the best of your ability and the more you can save the better your position will be when the market is in a state where home buying becomes practically possible again.
It’s true that renting is like throwing your money into the void, but right now it sure is a whole lot cheaper to rent vs a mortgage.
There’s also the benefit of landlord appt upkeep, if an appliance breaks that’s a landlord responsibility, if a pipe breaks and you get a water leak that’s a landlord responsibility, etc…. with home ownership there will be repair costs on top of the mortgage that would be paid by an landlord for an appt.
That's it Dave. Blame smartphones. Yell at the kids on their skateboards while you're at it. Shake that fist at the sky. 1980 14% interest rates were high... but avg home cost wasn't 4x the average income. I'm 42 yrs old and this isn't a snapshot. It's a downward spiral.
Wow, thank you for the history lesson. I needed to hear this!
15% in 1982 when the average house cost 69k, median household income was 24.5k = 2.8 years of income to buy a house.
7.8% in 2024 average house is 421k, median household income is 64k = 6.5 years of income to buy a house.
I dont know why older generation is so upset at the younger people complaining about this.
I'm gonna send this to my 16 year old. He has been quite affected by watching all these ' it's hopeless, may well not try" videos that are on recently. That's a self-fulfilling prophecy if it's not countered by some true wisdom. Thanks for the wisdom.
Money doesn't buy wisdom. Dave is a filthy rich out of touch old man that grew up in the greatest economy known to man.
It’s still possible, but it’s so hard. Debt free. Working on my mortgage.
I agree. A lot of people don't want to crimp the lifestyle they feel they deserve in order to sacrifice to get ahead. Its possible, but it requires a re-imagining of what your typical lifestyle will be. You may not be able to buy new cars going forward. You may not get a master degree and the associated student loan debt...hell you may not even get a college degree and just pick up a trade instead.
The old ways were unsustainable to begin with, now people are going to have to find a new more sustainable way forward in life or do without.
How? I make 100k a year! I can't afford a house and will rent and never retire now. It just is not possible unless I do an APR or do 2% down with 60% of my income going towards the shack in the hood for $2600 a month not including insurance, utilities, or anything else. The 15 year mortgage is not possible for me
Life has always been hard. What is new. Work hard and try to achieve more or dont. This is America. You have a choice.
Age?
@@timgibney5590 the fact that there are people who earn a lot less and have their own home shows that it's possible. If you really want to crunch figures, cut spending and save up for the future it's definitely possible but it takes effort.
NO 18 year old is going to buy a home in ANY market. No financial institution will write the paper without a co-signer.
And that's nothing new.
That's not true, I know multiple people who have bought homes at 18 and 19 years old, they're still in their early 20s.
@@bagofsteel9152 absolutely no way have they bought a home on. their. own. at 18 or 19 without an inheritance to buy it outright or a co-signer or, possibly, mommy & daddys help. They have zero credit history. Even FHA, HUD, VA will not do it.
@@bagofsteel9152 Absolutely no way an 18, 19 or even a20yo is going to get financed. Not without an inheritance or loan from a relative that they could pay cash outright or a cosigner. They have ZERO credit history. HUD, FHA, VA will not even touch them, let alone a conventional loan. If your friends have told you different they're lying or you heard wrong.
@@bagofsteel9152 with a CO SIGNER, gosh learn to read
The dream is there like others said you have to work really hard to get the higher pay (seek ways to constantly increase your value either as an employee or employer). The bar has been raised like The Hunger Games. In today’s time it’s chess not checkers. You have to be smarter with your money and finance planning. For me i stopped buying new cars 11yrs ago. I still have my 10yr old car that many folks still say it looks brand new. I use that money and have been throwing it in index funds and invested consistently through out the years without car payments and that paid off. Was able to increase my net worth substantially and purchase my first property a few years ago.
The knowledge to get there is now in the palms of your hands (aka smart phone). You just have to live below your means and roll your sleeves and get to work. Not going to be easy, but you will get there if you keep your eyes on the finish line.
I think we can all agree hope is not all lost. But change needs to be on the horizon!!
Let’s be real. A dollar today is not nearly what it was 20 years ago or even 5 years ago. When I was his age I rented an apartment for 750 per month in 2003. That same apartment is going for 2800 as of last month and that is an hour and a half outside of Manhattan. This kid is going to learn quickly that Long Island isn’t a long term answer for someone in finance at his age plus jobs in finance are turning to automation (I work in finance and alot of people are either being laid off or leaving the field due to low pay). At some point it’s not about living below your means but having a means to live below.
Dave - interest rates isn’t the only part of your home payment. Yes 17% was high but prices were much low were so the total monthly price adjusted for inflation was lower.
Dave will make sure you hear the "h" in "whining" 😂
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He just love to put everyone down.
That and his tried and true “veehickle”
Hwining I think is how he spells it... ?
Cool Hwip
Keep your finances under control and things over time become easier, this takes years
“Hold my beer” 😂 17% interest rates
Average house price was 69k in 1982.
@@brandonwoodard1515 Right but minimum wage was also $2.75 in 1982 also...so...
@@brandonwoodard1515 Average income was 11K in 1982.
Excellent arguments Mr. Ramsey, but the tech issue is a mindset thing, not an "it exists so we are broken" thing. You just have to make deathly certain it never overtakes you! Good luck everyone, and thanks to you Dave for not doomsdaying like most everyone else!
I appealed my property taxes twice and got two reductions. My new insurance premium wasn't as bad as I expected. That's this year, I suspect next year will be a disaster!
You gotta buy something cheap. Make sacrifices while your young and build equity. Then when you wanna settle down you sell and roll your equity into a bigger house. You can't skip the little steps.
I am retired but I was working 13 years before I had any extra to save. My first mortgage was 9%. Yes the American dream is still there but you have to stay focused and work hard.
How much was your house compared with your salary? Let me guess, it was 2-3x your annual salary, unlike how the median home price is 6-7x the median home price today.
@@awill3454 actually somewhere in the middle. The house was $125,000 and yearly salary was $23,400 which is like 5 times. Not quite 6 but definitely not 3.
My first house was $142,000(after my 15k down payment) at 6.7% back in 2003. I was 31 at the time. Just checked the SS logs and I made just over 31k that year. That's means the house was just over 5x my income before the down. Sure, it took me about 3 years to save up for that down payment and I worked a second job after I bought it to get some extra padding in the emergency fund, but I did manage to do it myself. My current home was 4x my current salary in 2020 after the down payment, so it's a little easier to manage, but I also didn't overbuy and get something I couldn't afford, either. Thinking you're going to be positioned to get a house at 18 is not realistic unless your parents are going to get you there or you found a great job and saved like a demon while you were in high school. Not a common thing. It takes time to get established, plan well, and get your timing down. If that someone's dream, it's possible, you just have to work for it.
In the 80’s in the NYC area houses were cheap back then because the city went bankrupt in 76
A lot of high crime. I remember a lot of Burned Out cars as a kid in the Bronx. I got into the construction trades.
But I remember some of the older guys in the union construction trades saying they were able to pay their house’s off in two years. Back then with some overtime
Ya the rates were high but houses were cheap. They don’t know what there talking about saying it was never affordable.
They were giving away buildings back people weren’t paying the rent so the landlords were setting there buildings on fire for insurance jobs.
The same with cars
It was all over in NYC back then
Dave is wildly unrealistic and disconnected from reality. It's never been harder to have a good life and Retire comfortably. The average mortgage now is 3k a month. Everything costs a million dollars. The only way to live a good life and retire comfortably is to make at least 200k+. What percentage of people under 40 make 200k? 1 2%? It was not like this before. I bought my first house in 2014 and it was a 2000 square foot townhouse. I had a 1400 payment. Growing up, you could have a nice house and Retire comfortably making 80 90k a year. Now a comfortable existence is only for the super elite. We can tell people to improve themselves and get a better job but it's not realistic to expect everyone to make 200k. Incomes haven't grown nearly at pace of inflation. Not even close
100s of millions will do that to anyone
its called living within your means....... earn it.... you can do it, you can get it....
you think Yatch owners on Long Island just used college loans and then demanded getting things without putting effort in...... Don't answer that i will..... EFFORT
33 trillion of debt. The American dream was sold
Not to mention that not everyone can "just improve themselves" to the point of getting a 200k a year job... those jobs are relatively scarce and extremely competitive... for every person that gets that job 7 others didn't and will continue to not get it... that's something Americans rarely reflect on from what I have seen.
The reality is that people are living beyond thier means and thats what keeps them broke
This kid at 18 will do so good in life. I didn't learn finances until around 30...
Greetings from Bulgaria fellow Ramsey family! Be wise with your money and your time. The time is now to start growing up and build a better life for our families! Gob bless! 🙏
I needed this reminder, Dave and George. Thank you.
I love the smart phone/no patience correlation. Well said Dave.
My parents called missionaries. They had to call the operator and wait half an hour
Exactly. People want everything today…it takes time.
Dave is such a wise human
All depends on your definition of American dream
It’s not impossible. You just have to say “no” to getting the latest and greatest smartphone and computer and car every 12months. Americans spend sooo much money on “extras” that they can’t afford the basics, like a house or food.
It’s like a child being involved in so many sports and extracurricular activities that his/her grades suffer. Focus on the things you NEED first. And THEN if you are prospering do the extras. A lot of people have this backwards
Empathy is feeling the same emotion, Sympathy is understanding the emotion.
Dave is right. At 18 buying a home felt like being asked to climb Mount Everest in flip flops.
At 29 my ex and I bought our first home (TOGETHER, as a team effort). I'm currently in my second home at 39. When I was 18 the housing market was ridiculously expensive also. Later on that decade the market turned during the Great Financial Crisis and that allowed some people (who managed to stay employed and had savings) to get into the a home. I was unemployed looking for a job and wasn't concerned about buying the dip. The labor market was brutal. Eventually I found another job and saved money for a down payment. We ended up having to move out of state to buy a home.
If you think you're going to be buying a home in Miami, New York, Los Angeles, San Francisco at 18 , you're' delusional. Most likely you're going to have to get your priorities in order and make sacrifices to get to where you want to be. If you want a home, that may mean moving away from friends and family to afford one in a city that has he jobs and the housing market that will get you into a home. You may ended up having to drive a beater car for a while because you can't afford to take on a new car payment and pay a mortgage. You may end up not going out to eat or vacationing in order to afford a house because those are luxuries and you're building your emergency fund.
These are decisions people make to get ahead. All the doom spenders charging up credit cards this Summer because they think everything is horrible in the world are creating a self-fulfilling prophecy with their finances. Yes, things will be horrible...for you... because you're broke and you decided to double down on broke instead of build yourself up. No you won't be able to take advantage of an opportunity when it inevitably arrives to buy into the housing market. Or into investments that could grow and allow you to afford that down payment. Instead many people will complain about how unfair the economy is when they didn't do anything to help themselves in the first place.
Your advice is so true. Too bad it falls on deaf ears. Whiners here feel it is their birthright to be able to afford a house in LA, SF, SD, Orange Cty, NYC, Miami-- anywhere within 50 miles of the coast. USA is a gargantuan country.
An inconvenient truth is that plenty of affordable houses do exist in USA, contrary to what these whiners have you believe. Ohio and parts of Texas are just two examples. But you nailed it-- home ownership requires sacrifice, like relocating or upgrading one's job skills. Just ask any immigrants, esp. from China or India.
Dave is running a playbook from 20 years ago before home prcies jumped 60% in 2 years and inflation went up 30% since the pandemic. His emergency fund of 1K is only worth about $700 by todays standards. Houses now cost 9X the average salary. His course needs a major upgrade from the same regurgitated antics of "better than I deserve" and "just east rice and beans."
Fantastic video! I have incurred so much losses trading on my own.... I trade well on demo but I think the real market is manipulated.... Can anyone help me out or at least tell me what I'm doing wrong??
Same here, my portfolio has been going down the drain while I try trading,I just don't know what I do wrong..
Investing with an expert is the best strategy for beginners and busy investors, as most failures and losses in investment usually happen when you invest without proper guidance. I'm speaking from experience.
I think l'm blessed if not I wouldn't have met someone who is as spectacular as expert mrs Ella..
Highly recommended
Wow, I'm surprised to see Ella mentioned here as well. I didn't know she had been kind to so many people
I'm also a huge beneficiary of her..
I thought myself and my family were
the only ones enjoying Ella
trade benefits
I think the line in the sand will always be there between those making it happen going "it's tough but possible" and those who cant or wont make the same sacrifices with the same patience going "i cant do it so its impossible"
They always forget my generation. It’s either boomers or millenials. Even Dave, the uh, generation after mine. GEN X people!! They NEVER mention Gen X when they compare anything.
Although they’ve got a point about most “normal” people not being able to afford a house on Long Island now, my grandfather did. He was a Korean navy veteran, and worked for the State of New York until he received his GI bill, state pension, and social security and had a house with four boys and a fiancé in the past. The American Dream was attainable in Long Island area for a long time. He was an immigrant from England in 1950, after dealing with Nazi Germany for years of his life in London. Things were and are still tight there, but not impossible for many.
People feel it don't insult the peoples intelligence u feel and see it every where
But he's right about interest. I had 9 percent in the 80s
@georgewagner7787 that maby true but besides the interest rate it is now 7× more for a house and two married people can't get approved for a house unless your making 100000 to 200000 and the wages aren't there to keep up like they have in the past. A house should be achievable and unless ur making a crap ton it's not for at least 50 to 80 % of the population that is sad.
@georgewagner7787 it's pretty crazy 2 people that work over full time can't afford anything in this climate in the USA
@@jolenekaske5884 Can't afford anything, or can't afford their dream home in a fun exciting city within walking distance of their dream job?
Yes, the housing market is bonkers, but so are people's expectations.
@LaneDenson every aspect of everyday life is more housing food gas the main things everyone needs. No, I'm not talking the extras. lol cut ALL that out years ago. . . Tell me ur not feeling it, and I will say ur lying or rich at this point
The first apple phone came out June 2007.
I know because I bought one of the first ones.
The only Apple Store back then was at there headquarters on 5th ave 59 street
What's 17% on a box of strawberries?
I'm retired but work a few hours a week. I am not rich but I have a cheap house in a rural county without much of an economy. I agree with what you're saying about a snapshot not being prognostic for how things will be. I've just been happy to be self-supporting, performing necessary or interesting jobs. I'm sure I could have focused more on money, but I'm happy and reasonably secure.
I was raised in a poor household. I wish at a young age, I had gone to one of my successful friends parents and asked for mentorship. I love my parents and they raised me in a house full of love. But I don't believe that poor parents can teach you how to be wealthy, because they don't know how to be, themselves.
I was told to find something I like doing for a career. I think that's terrible advice. I would have told myself, find something that pays amazingly and do that. It doesn't matter if you hate it, you'll be rich and able to retire early. That still sounds better than doing a job I love and never being able to retire.
Sometimes you can have both, but I think whether you like the job or not should be secondary to the standard of living it provides.
Retire early and do what?
@@miqueiaspaulo1 Then you can do what you're passionate about, when you already have the lifestyle to support it.
It's a struggle out there! Even doing no debt and being responsible, all our bills are up a minimum of 20%. We used to be able to get by with one income. Not any more. We're lucky we bought a house when we did. Easy for Dave to say, he doesn't deal with an average or upper middle income. We are struggling!
My gosh, most of the comments seem to miss Dave’s point. He said things are hard. RIGHT NOW. Today’s reality does not mean it’s the forever reality.
He also says the house prices are not going to come back down, so….
@@tylerhair9067 we said the same thing in’05. And then they did. Maybe prices won’t drop. Maybe only price growth will slow. And interest rates drop. Then they’ll be more affordable
EXACTLY! This too shall pass. Cynicism and despair don't get you anywhere, but hard work and patience can make you end up in at least a fairly good situation anytime!
I remember being pretty optimistic when I was 18. I had a plan and believed I would do well.