Its not dei, that the issue (never has been) its the fact that companies are hiring overseas workers because its cheaper and they have less rule they have the adhere to when taking advantage of those employees. Why pay someone in the states a decent good salary when you could pay someone in india a fraction of that and have to provide less benefits @@emaldon7
Some companies only post that they are hiring, but only hire within or have someone else in mind for the position. “Posting” the job is just the HR/Logistics side of it.
And some jobs aren’t actually jobs they’re hiring for. They are putting feelers out for the future in case they have openings, or to encourage overworked employees that they will be getting assistance from a new hire.
It's always been this way and it should be. We are social animals and our most important skill in life is to form networks around ourselves. People don't work with a diploma. They deal with a person.
It's not sad and it's not recent. This is nothing new. Business is about who you know more than your qualifications. This just isn't being taught. Why do you think people still do networking events? This is exactly why college is a scam. The younger generations have been lied to about how your degree is all you need to get a job. The degree is possibly the first step if you even need it at all. At the company I work at now, interviewees are brought in by word of mouth because we trust each other more than some random applicant who could mess up the work dynamic. We have to run like a well-oiled machine and don't care to risk a block in the gears. Connections are vital in business because business is and always has been about people.
Ken is correct but bringing up the number of job listings isn’t helpful cause there’s a lot of jobs posted that the company has no interest in actually filling them. There’s also a fair amount of scam jobs.
He has no idea what he's talking about. The job market is very competitive. Maybe pre covid she can land a job as an inexperienced developer, but now so many senior/experienced developers are also in the market. And also like you said, many jobs are fake. Company post fake jobs to boost confidence.
@@markg999a lot of time they hire internally but have to pretend like they're running a fair process so they put out a poster, accept applications, then hire the internal candidate they planned on hiring the whole time
The point is there is some amount of actual real job opportunities that employers are seeking qualified people to hire for. Maybe 977 is not the real figure, but if it's only 10% of those that are real that's still nearly a hundred jobs which the caller could be qualified for, and she just needs to connect to the one making the hiring decision.
@@markg999 Because then they can tout their "growth plans" which then potentially boost their stock price. Which results in increased compensation for executives.
As hard as it is sometimes, this is exactly why you don't want to leave your previous company under bad terms. You'll never know how far your managers networking goes within the industry you work in.
well you really should never leave a job on bad terms if you can help it. there's absolutely no benefit to you to leave badly. even if they were a terrible company and you hated them, still no reason to not just give your 2 weeks and move on. bad business transactions happen, and that's what jobs are. there's no sense in throwing a tantrum over a bad business transaction.
A former plant manager posted on my National Employment History Report, My "new" employer HR called me after offering me the job and said: "Due to a derogatory work history report, we are rescinding our offer of employment, In compliance with the Fair Credit and Reporting Act, we are sending you a written transcript of the derogatory work history report." The Plant Manager approved $1.5M payment for the Permit company. My due diligence found 4 permits that were NOT obtained. Corporate cut his completion bonus by $500K>>> slinging snot mad. Corporate asked for me to get the 4 permits>>> NOT my job! 2 weeks' notice. He was later Fired for the report, I ended up taking a $50K job after 18 months of trying (History report kept Haunting), I was getting $100K + $25K bonus. "You'll never know how far your manager's networking goes within the industry you work in."
I think only once left but a smile, the one I worked eventually for about 15 years went down, we even had a night out paid by the owners and still have a wassap chat to talk shit. All but that I got so burn out I would rather go back with a petrol bomb than a resume.
Ken’s completely correct. I’ve seen soooooo many people get jobs they were either not qualified for, or with no prior experience - pushed ahead of more qualified individuals; simply based on their connections. It’s not always about what you know, it’s who you know.
Excuses. Instead of whining figure out what people who are successful are doing. If she can't get an interview then the problem is herself. She needs to wipe away her tears and keep working on it.
I’ve seen way more people get promoted because they were smart, capable workers than I have because they were “friends”. If you were a manager, who would you rather have working in your department, your friends, or experienced employees with a proven track record? You’d choose the latter. And most managers are just like you.
@@drn13355 absolutely, excuses and explanations only help you understand what’s going on; you still have to get at it and put in the time, effort and work to get a job, or get promoted.
@@TonyCox1351 it isn’t even always the “office friend” that gets promoted, but simply the squeaky wheel. Jobs don’t always automatically throw out promotions, bonuses or raises. You have to ask, be loud, or whatever other action needed to be noticed. Cause the guy who does all the work, but just sits in a cubicle not speaking to anyone for 98% of their shift, is gonna get forgotten
I think this is unfair. I'm GenX. I know how to work the relational game. I recently went through applying for dozens of jobs that I was perfectly suited for -- as in EXACTLY the level and type of experience they needed and were looking for. I put out the calls to my network, I talked to people, and did all the right things, and I got one interview. ONE. And I didn't get the job. My husband works for a very well known company that has forbidden its employees from recommending individuals for jobs. People have been reprimanded for passing along resumes in the company. You have to have a resume that is seeded with the right keywords so the AI will 'see' it. A traditional resume no longer works, and traditional networking isn't the answer. So the advice missed the mark, in my opinion.
Tech has been in a downturn for the last 5 months. Massive layoffs in the major tech companies like Google, FB, semiconductor, etc. Last number i saw was north of some 210,000 people. She's competing with these newly laid off people with years of experience who are alao looking for new jobs.
Naw all of you in these RUclips comments are just frauds really. Make a GitHub and get to work and build that portfolio. I always ask to see someone’s GitHub and get no answer…it’s no wonder none of you get hired…why would anyone hire you and you have no way of proving that you can actually code or maintain code? Y’all see that salary and think getting some cert or degree and think ima get that job free. Think again, like I said, make that GitHub or gitlab and get to work and build up them projects. Make that website, build that portfolio….or you WILL NOT be hired…
@manofsteel9051 As you type this on an electrical device using microchips and code, over a router using microchips and code, over internet servers using microchips and code, powered by an electrical grid using microchips and code, of a video filmed with a camera using microchips and code, as you're eating your pizza bites nuked by a microwave that uses microchips and code, so that you can weigh your obese arse on an electronic scale that uses microchips and code.....
Dave went from theres a developer shortage to there's resumes 9 feet high. Which one is it? From what I undertand, tech companies over hired during COVID and are now pulling back.
Also high interest rates prohibit cash strapped companies to borrow money to keep good folks. Good folks soaked the rest of the profitable company positions. No one wants to train anymore hire. They’d rather hire from India someone less skilled.
@@troythompson2 I have a senior position at my company and I get people DAILY reaching out to me on LinkedIn trying to get in. It's overwhelming the amount of people that reach out. It's exactly like you said, there is a shortage of experts but there isnt anything close to a shortage of everyone else.
Entry level developer jobs are not as easy to get anymore. There are a lot more companies that need developers than just “tech”, but that did make an impact on the market.
@@mununpatel7032 No, modern capitalism and companies over hired because keeping good talent bored at Amazon is better for Amazon than letting Google hire those engineers. Late stage capitalism companies just need skeleton crews to maintain the software, which I think had emboldened companies to fire devs because you don't need a lot of them to keep the systems up and running.
@@mununpatel7032they definitely CAN afford to keep them, the execs just don’t wanna sacrifice some of their multi-million salaries, so they cut hundreds of developers instead.
Never base the job market on big tech layoffs. Always focus on SMB growth, which is what really determines our markets. Yep, those are also the places to look for jobs, because in many mid-sized markets there is a shortage.
@@mununpatel7032 reason being is because there are actually lots of developers now compared to before and most companies can't keep them because of the normal salary.
They're wrong about the search results. Out of 900 results only 100-300 roles are truly available and the pool of candidates is so high that your chances of employment are very low for many applicants. It's not as cut and dry as they make it seem.
I got my first job as a temp. Didn’t know a darn soul, making $16 through an agency. Eventually I got hired on. Then made supervisor. Then manager. Now director. Didn’t have any previous “connections” just met people on the job and impressed them with a little thing called work ethic. You don’t need to “network” you need to be a solid dependable employee.
Like has he not seen the absurd amount of layoffs in the tech sector in the past 18 months? There's a surplus of devs but not enough jobs atm. Same with creaticve work right now (I'm a video editor and I haven't been able to find anything for a while.)
@@the.danielmason99Job sites may have a lot of listings but not from a lot of companies. They often list jobs from agencies or repeat the same listings. This goes for most fields. This is a common practice on INDEED and CAREER BUILDER! Qualified people don't always get hired, even with networking.
There is a shortage of skilled developers. There is a huge demand for skilled developers. There are thousands of unskilled developers that apply for everything, making hiring extremely difficult.
I blame coding bootcamps that make naive inexperienced people think they can land a 60-80k a year job after 6 months of learning development. It can be done if you already have incredible discipline and communication skills, but 95% of the people who do these bootcamps don’t have either.
My husband was laid off end of August of 2023. Every day he applied for 5-10 jobs and had many interviews but no luck on landing the job. He just said to me that you just need to keep applying and eventually you will gain interview skills and someone will give you a chance. He eventually found a job in Nov of 2023. Sometimes it does depend on who you know, but sometimes you just have to keep applying.
A year out before graduating with my Bachelor's in Chemical Engineering, I shot out as many applications as possible and got a job months before graduating. You don't necessarily need someone inside but it does help. Dont quit, just keep applying.
It’s crazy how suckers will go to college and get into debt just to make 40,000 a year. With that said- her voice sounds whiney, unconfident, and she sounds dumb. She should work on speech
I agreed. Also, don't be embarrassed or afraid to apply for Walmart, target, movie theaters, warehouses, fast foods, janitors, and hotels. Ect. It's okay getting pay less than the amount you want for now. You can also keep applying for a position with your degree on the days that you're off. I have a coworker who is 50 and just recently got hired with me at Regal Moveie Theaters. It's never impossible. Even people who came out from 10 years in jail will get a job. You just gotta keep going. I know the struggle. It's hard when It's months, and you feel like you're trying your hardest. The question is, are you, though? I had to tell myself that, and I decided to wake up every day and apply for whatever I could find. I even had to bother the managers multiple times at the same jobs that I applied for. It's possible.
Yup it’s definitely just a blessing that one gets picked for the job out of hundreds of applicants. My nephews and nieces find jobs so quickly idk how they they even do it when they job hop like crazy. I’ve only had two jobs and they were from word of mouth or just calling in about my application.
@@littlevuggey93yup I started working at a very busy thrift! And many family members looked down on me cause I have an education and how am I at a thrift store???. But I just moved to this state and needed a quick job and wanted experience in customer service so I just took the job. Low pay and a bit stressful but I’m so grateful I’m getting experience. Besides I won’t be here forever it’s all for the experience!
I have 4 and a half years of experience as a software engineer. I got laid off last year and it took 5 months and a depleted savings to get hired. The kicker is out of the many hundreds of applications I sent out, I only got offers from the people from my network, heck I accepted a job back at a previous company. I was rehired because they already knew how I worked and onboarding wouldn't be an issue. It's a tough market out there.
Except you don’t, sure it helps but that’s not a requirement to get a good job. I haven’t known anyone at either of my full time jobs post college graduation. A lot of people have poorly written resumes and poor interview skills but no one likes to admit this about themselves
@@ballinforlife9you don't have to, but it helps cut that job search down from 6 months down to under 3 months. Without help, you can be out of the market long enough that you basically get blacklisted from the industry.
It's really the worst feeling in the world not being able to get a job. I have been working the same cleaning job for 4 years now. I don't fit in and have anxiety. Very difficult to get and maintain any job.
I’ve been looking for a job the past 10 months really sucks not getting even one interview and I am over qualified for all the jobs I’ve applied to as well have a pretty good resume didn’t cut corners just sucks tbh
I vehemently agree. There's virtually NO overhead and it's great money when you're the boss. I did residential cleaning for two years and made bank @@stephanielakin4666
I don’t agree with Dave on this. I am a US veteran and going through the same thing. I’ve been unemployed for the last 5 months and asked at least 20 people that have networks to help me. Still have had no luck. So people are not just going to help you because you are you.
Agree with you on this point…Just because friends and family know you are looking, they have their jobs to do and it has been moot in my case they immediately say they know someone who is hiring.
It’s been long enough for me that I’m literally farming to shove produce in a root cellar or sell at market. I’ll either make money or at least prevent starving 😂
I'm not so sure about your last comment. I frequent a cigar lounge and have recently became acquaintances with a another regular and today he asked what I was going to school for. As it turns out he happens to be a hiring manager in the same industry I go to school for and told me when I'm ready to apply for a gig to let him know. So it happens.
When I was a job seeker, I basically copied and pasted the job posting and I still didn’t get pass the algorithm. Luckily, getting a job was optional and my livelihood didn’t dependent on it.
They are constantly making up more and more excuses for why your resume isn't even read and each year they get more ridiculous. Companies either list ghost job posts so investors see they are "growing", or they are expecting to find a glittering, pink unicorn. Either way, I've seen jobs being listed for MONTHS with hundreds of people signed up and they didn't call ANYONE.
Well, she was ins them, I would assume she already knows and did so, Sure! For real? My question is what is leading her to move and leave behind all her connections and support for Atlanta and of she is aware of her market there before making the move.
Most of the time, the companies are required to display these jobs publicaly but it is 90% internal hire. HR is required to select at minmum five people to interview but most of the time we already know who we going to hire before we already interview the other four. Really need to work out your network game if you want to get hired in a good paying job that is not entry level.
I'm one in 7MM, my last 10 jobs, I got a letter that no other persons made it to interview, Company policies prevents hiring the ONLY person interviewed.
When my husband and I moved states last year, 3 months before we moved he applied online to every job and we wrote down each one. Not one set up an interview with him. 2 months before we moved he went for 1 week and reached out to each job that he will be there in person that week. He got 2 interviews set. While there he went with resume in hand to 6 places. He got an interview at all 6 and 4 same day job offers. Who you know can help but IN PERSON STILL MATTERS. My husband has a wonderful job that he loves because he was there in person. Bad advice
Ken is 50% correct. The other possible issue is that her resume is not structured correctly or it’s missing the key artifacts for the AI to pick up for alignment to the role and put it to the top of the stack…
This is a prime example of one of the flaws in Ramsey ideology… big fan but certain disconnects Caller clearly was putting herself out there and they ignored what she had to say
okay so what do you expect they should say to her. She displayed little to no interest in any solution, but rather focus on the "Im trying but I can't"
I agree, It's one things when they have to give someone tough love, but she wasn't even able to finish her sentence! Also developer jobs are not that easy to find right now. I know several people who are getting laid off or have been actively looking for developer jobs, even getting interviews, but the competition is so steep that they just can't find a good job.
Yeah, dumping on her $40K salary. She doesn't need that. She needs concrete specific information and direction. They did half a good job. They have so much power and resources and it's just wasting because they are too busy speaking to hear themselves talk. It's frustrating. Delivery in communication is lacking.
Yes, the skilled trades are often over-looked. High schools and colleges push 4 year degrees. Going to trade school is often looked down upon. I went to a civilian aviation trade school. Worked for a major airline until it went out of business. I was able to use my mechanical and electrical skills towards repairing passenger trains. Excellent pay and benefits, including a generous pension. I made $110k without over time. With over time some techs are pulling in $140k to $180k.
Sewer diving, sheet rock, concrete guys and CDL drivers are almost never in downturns. Nuke welders too but like you aren't in this comment section with a job like that
You can get a job but it'll take much much longer if you don't have a connection. I played video games in my free time during college, never took internships, never socialized with anyone, worked a gardening job. I ended up getting a dev job 1 year after graduating. It really isn't impossible to get a job, it's just a lot harder.
The trades aren't like this. Most of the jobs I got were from walking in off the street. My current pays over 100K, great benefits, great conditions, no corporate crap to deal with. I don't know how people can put up with it.
For my current job when I applied 6 years ago. My boss had resume burn out and just threw mine to the garbage without looking at it. She had already seen many that day. However the HR lady that was with her noticed and was like hold up you didn’t even look at that one. And long behold I got the interview and been working for them 6 years. And have moved up a couple of times. When they brought up the study from 2021 I felt that. Cause if it wasn’t by the grace of God I would of been overlooked and been part of the statistic
That’s why many many immigrants go into nursing! No need for connections 😂 Submit your resume and hired on the spot 😅 The hospital I work in, they’re even bringing in international nurses to work and get their green card then citizenship 😬
Networking is a must… Also, most larger companies/corporations are using a computer program to chisel sift through applications/resumes before it ever reaches a human being…. Using the exact keywords that are in the job description/job requirements is a common thing the computer picks out… I know my company does that. I’ve heard of people copying the entire job description and pasting it in white ink in the online resume they submit….
I'm a SW engineer at a major company, Dave is wrong about one thing here: You don't need personal connections to get an interview. You need a good resume with real work experience. Her real mistake was graduating with no real experience in programming. You have to work internships in industry or have impressive personal projects. If you have a good resume you will get interviews. There definitely is an oversaturation of junior devs right now, but a lot of them don't have experience and really aren't competent enough for a junior dev role. If you really like coding and build your own app, or get an internship at a good company, you will be able to find a job. It's sad but it is what it is. People act like you can just do a bootcamp and be ready to make 6 figures but it's total BS
That's a rough place to be in though if a degree is no longer considered enough to be hired as a junior developer. I mean that's the whole point of college right, to get experience so you can be admitted into the industry. Having to go through college and also work internships at the same time is frankly asking too much, even if people have done it before. I mean I get it. I'm a CS student right now too, and half the people in these classes don't know what a linked list is. But I guess that's another discussion alltogether, as is whether or not requiring a degree is even ethical in the first place for stuff like this...
Real engineers she's competing with breathe eat and sleep this stuff. It's not just a job for them its a whole lifestyle. Trust me I know this first hand. I spend more time looking at code than interacting with other humans. And I've been that way my whole life. She's competing against dudes like me lol
@@noscopesallowed8128 I agree that it’s a rough place. Blame the education system not the companies. I know plenty of developers without a degrees. I’m a six figure Network Engineer with no degree. Real world experience is king and soft skills matter too. Always be hungry to learn, improve and build new things.
@@nathang2465 Well yes the education system is radically broken, but I can't help but feel like the companies are partially (or maybe even primarily) responsible for the problem in the first place. Every job out there now requires a 4 year degree. You cannot compete if you don't have one, much less even apply most of the time. And now they want you to do more on top of waste 4 years of your life? It's not acceptable. Sure, maybe you know lots of people without degrees, but I assume they're all older? Back then it was possible to get a job that way, not anymore. At least not in the Western world from what I can tell. Hell, I'm not even in CS for a CS job. I'm trying to become a cargo pilot for crying out loud. But even they demand "any" 4 year degree. Just imagine all the time I could spend flying right now getting experience instead of losing 4 years attending some college for some degree I'll hopefully never use... Now imagine the same for a CS student who will spend half of those 4 years in "general education" classes reading Hamlet for the 5th time lmao
I'm hearing the opposite about developer positions. I know developers who've been unable to find jobs for months. Ramsey even said in this video that there were 15,000 applications to his company and they only hired 176. Maybe Ramsey solutions is a great company to work for, resulting with those applications, but that is an indicator that there is plenty of demand for jobs right now.
I'm in the same boat as Erica. I would highly suggest going to career fairs all around town. Doesn't matter if it's in your field, like Ken said, there may be someone there who knows someone else who will then pass your resume. That happened to me in a construction company the other day. I am in HR, went to a career fair highing construction workers. The man who was hiring, his daughter is a HR director at a different company. I wasn't hired, but she was nice enough to call me and put me in contact with other people. Apply online at night, but during the day hit career fairs. ALL OF THEM! Wishing you luck, Erica!
I wasn’t out of a job for months but I know how difficult it can be. I literally can’t imagine looking for a job for months. I got extremely lucky because I met with recruiters who liked me, had openings, and were able to talk to the hiring manager. I’m not a huge fan of this and they show their age because it’s difficult to meet people in that field without having done leg work prior, or having settings to do it like a networking event. You need to know someone but getting there is difficult and unless you’re doing it, you don’t know how hard it is.
@@jasonleatherwood2172 All cities are liberal. You are constantly exposed to different languages and cultures and people who are not just like you, which tends to make people more liberal. If you don't like cities, then don't move to a city. Feel free to stay in your comfort zone if cities are too much for you.
The first job is not usually your dream job. I failed 9 applications before finally finding work. It's not an industry I imagined I'd be in, but I found my way around and got new roles every few years or so. The caller can set six-month or yearly checkpoints as to whether stay at whatever job she lands or find new work. Between now and then, she gotta roll em up sleeves and do work that she doesn't like.
6:20. The amount of jobs posted doesn’t mean they’re all hiring. Tons of companies leave ads up all the time for jobs but don’t have openings for those jobs.
Ken kept getting close, but never said what the real problem is. There's something wrong with her resume, and it's getting rejected by the resume scanning program. She needs to redo her resume.
Go back your university and talk to the Alumni Association. Professors and staff always have connections to local companies hiring ie internships or full-time right out of school.
For real everyone should get in good with at least one professor. I have two that would write me a letter of recommendation if I were to ask. Not only that he also has connections plus he invites employers to come talk to the class on how to apply. Some people don't take advantage of their time in school.
In tech in Atlanta the best option is to use a contract to perm company, it is much easier to get through the AI's they use than the big companies. Also every tech company the AI will automatically discard the resume that has grammatical, spelling, or formatting errors.
I'd agree. I've had a lot of luck getting jobs with less wasted interviews by going through temp agencies. They like them because they get to try before they buy.
When I moved to Knoxville 3 years ago. I started cold calling months before I moved. I reached out to my past jobs leadership and asked for connections and flew out and walked into companies I was interested in and talking to people. By the time I was moving I had several offers ready and am now making more money than I’ve ever made before.
Its easy for people like them who have jobs to say things like that. Making connections and knowing people is such an unfair way to get a job. The education system is all about getting good grades and doesn't reward the "connections" part, resulting in the situation in this call. This ends up in companies not hiring the most qualified person in the stack of applications. Also, I hate how Ken and Dave talk down to her. They've just been luckier. I guarantee Erica worked just as hard, if not harder than the people who work at the Ramsay show (as well as attempt to make connections). Luckily, I work in a field where I got my jobs through work and practice (not connections).
Idk, maybe it depends on your school and your major. My college did a wonderful job of setting up career fairs and many of the student chapters of industry-specific societies would have prospective employers drop by weekly or monthly to interview graduating students. It was very hard not to get internships and graduate with a job. This was civil engineering.
social anxiety comes from lack of practice and introversion doesn't prevent you from getting out to get a job. It is essential to correct these traits as early in life as you can because as a member of human society, communication is your #1 asset. My son was terrified by phone calls and having to talk to people. I made him practice and forced him to do it. Started with ordering a pizza through phone rather than an app. It's tough at first but it makes all the difference.
@@jazzadexactly I have had social anxiety sense childhood. I have panic attacks you gotta push yourself forward so you don’t just sink into nothing! We need to excel not just give up and except failure.
Thanks to H1B visas, there is NO shortage of software developers. And that 40k she is making is not that bad, and she could be easily replaced tomorrow.
Tip - If you apply to one place and they don't respond, apply again and again. It works. It gets their attention and sometimes they will interview you. It worked for me.
When it comes to tech jobs, there are plenty of recruiters who should be able to work with her and find something. They'll also work with her to pinpoint deficiencies on the resume and interviewing skills.
That is incorrect about how recruiters are paid, it's troubling this idea still circulates. External recruiter/staffing firms are vendors like the company you lease copier machines from, contract to clean facilities, refill vending machines - so they are paid from business ops funds NOT portions of the person hired's salary.
@@LapreghieraI’m a recruiter and it’s really upsetting when candidates think I’m taking their salary like wtf? That’s not how it works, and it’s not even possible to do that, let alone morally correct.
I took an unpaid internship with a professional engineering society. The society had an engineering convention. Before this, I had applied to companies for internships, but once I got to the conference, showed them the exact same resume, the same companies that rejected me offered me internships on the spot. I used that experience to intern at NASA and then I used my NASA experience to intern at SpaceX. When I applied for full-time jobs last year before I graduated, I just applied online without knowing people and had 10 job offers lined up because at this point I had enough experience to be competitive. The first part is the hardest (getting that first opportunity). You have to convince someone to take a chance on you, and having a connection/network helps you achieve that first step.
11:50 Dave nailed it. Happens internally too. One of the two people that interviewed me had encouraged me to apply for the role. He and the hiring manager fawned over me in the interview "we were hoping youd apply, so happy you did". They said 2-3 weeks for a decision. Nothing for almy4 months and it was an app i don't use often was the excuse, despite others being hired who don't. I had already learned they hired people months prior and the excuse for the late reply was general life busy stuff. Yeah..
Most of my jobs came from who I knew. Berry picking was my first job through my mother. I did bean picking because the berry farmer was related to the bean farmer. I later got a job pumping gas, because I got to to know a manager. I repaired a lawn mower for a lady and found another job. Then I heard a construction company needed help. It goes on and on. I gained work experience in a number of areas until I landed a job in facility maintenance for 12 years and I got that job, because I knew someone at a skating rink where I worked as a side job. My needs have been met and now I'm retired.
Now retired, looking back, my career job was obtained by doing "volunteer work" for the people that eventually hired me. I had a degree, a military background, spoke a second language, won competitions, and so on, but what got me the job, was doing volunteer work. It gave me a personal connection to the hiring entity. All the other credentials were just extra fluff. Who knew.
Job postings are often fake reqs for a variety of reasons. Do not take advice from somewho who bases the strength of the job market on the number of postings.
Ken is right. I usually disagree with him. My job only has 8 spots with my job title. we have people come and go like any job. The first thing my manager ask before looking at applications... do any of you know anyone who needs a job? granted they gotta go through HR and have some basic requirements met, but that candidate will get an interview as long as HR says we can.
The reason they ask if you “know someone who needs a job” is because if you know them, they are a known commodity with a proven track record, instead of some random off the street who could be lying on their resume. People act like “connections” means some random guy you went to college with, but it means previous coworkers you’ve worked with and can vouch for the quality of their work
When I was a full-time college student, I also held down two jobs (refused to take out student loans). One job was working as an assistant to the college’s evening program (night school) secretary, supporting the evening staff. I did a lot of running for these folks, taking care of whatever they needed. On weekends, I worked for a major department store, in the customer service department. I was on my feet at least 8 to 10 hours a day, often staying late to lock up the safe and close down the department. My supervisor secretary at my other job was desperate to earn some extra money, so asked if I could put in a good work. Sure, she was a likeable person, but she also had power over my ability to keep my job at the college. I put in a good word for her, as she was actually a good worker; however, I sadly discovered she was a good worker if it meant she could sit around to do her job. She was the WORST worker in the department…..no pep to her step and very poor, bordering on indifferent, customer service abilities. I was surprised, as our jobs at the college was taking care of the part-time professor’s requests for materials and resources. She explained it to me, “The college office job is easy, low key, and the professors are educated and civil. The customers we deal with at the store are uneducated financial imbeciles just off the street.” I was shocked at her attitude. I felt great pride when I was able to work with a customer to straighten out their credit and establish a workable repayment plan, whether they were rich or just scraping by. I also discovered that more ‘educated’ and wealthier folks tend to have the largest insurmountable debt problems. Our priorities, and attitudes towards our fellow man, were clearly mismatched. I apologized to my boss for unleashing this sloth upon our department. She quit this “exhausting weekend job” in less than a month. I left the college office job a few months later, taking a better paying job; however, I continued to work the customer service job for an additional year, as I discovered I was really good at explaining to folks how their credit cards worked, how to avoid late fees, and always pay more than the minimum payment. I couldn’t stop them from opening an account, but I could help them overcome the consequences of their decision.
30 years in IT, I just spent about 5 months and found nothing at all. Ended up going back to the place I left and now I am going to leave again because its not a match and I dont even expect to find anything for many months. Its weirdly tight on the market now, but its similar to early 2000s for tech, so this isnt super unusual.
Ken is saying be on the look out for job fairs, community education classes, company sponsored events, etc. to get to know people in your chosen industry. Maybe reach out to old classmates or professors. It’s about opening the viewpoint to the world instead of keeping it narrow by singular applications. While you are building up your notoriety in the community, work somewhere that either helps you gain experience in your field or something totally unrelated that pays the bills. Either way all you can go is forward!
I was recently part of a hiring committee. We had over 80 applicants and only 20ish people even made it to the committee review because the others didn't include all the required documentation (resume, cover letter, etc). Automatically thrown out.
Yeah grandpa gave her this whole lecture on not doing the in person work when she went Into the offices to bring her resume. What is more personal than that?!
If there are two fields where you don't need to know anyone to get in, it's healthcare and education. I worked in tech, and switched to education easily without knowing anyone. I now have better pay, better job security, and the best benefits I ever had.
I'm 57, laid-off on Jan. 8, 2024. In 3 months I have had a total of 3 interviews in person and one virtual harassment (ageism was expressed openly - I refuse to call that a job interview, it was too insulting coming from a punk who is young enough to be my child). No one will hire me. Had to sell my new car and buy a 25 yr old hoopty, am about to sell my condo, but when i do, I won;t be able to afford anything int he state of insanity I live in (CA). So what the hell do I do? I have no support system, and no one will hire me when in 5 years I can take early social security (even though I planned on working until i was 70). 57 and nothng to show for a lifetime career, ruined over a woke girl's inability to take criticism when she was doing something wrong, claiming I was harassing her.
This is so true. I graduated nursing school in 2010. Applied everywhere. The only reason I got hired at my first job was because a mom of a girl I used to hang out with in grade school worked there and called HR frequently until I got an interview. For my second nursing job, I knew someone working on the floor I wanted to work and she put in a good word for me.
I used to help my junior all the time and taught him some coding skills. We eventually lost contact because we moved companies the last 6 years. Last year I got sick of my workplace and started to look for other companies but it was CRICKETS. And I have 10 years experience and up-to-date skills. My junior contacted me on my birthday and by chance I mentioned to him how hard it was to look for a job by just submitting resumes. He didn't need to ask me about anything except for my resume. He referred me to their hiring manager that same night. And now we're coworkers and I got a 61% increase (relative to my previous job).
Well knowing people isn't the problem. I know over 200 people, because at school alone there were like 100, but I haven't spoken to 190 of them in a long time. The thing is having real friends is hard and waaaaay lower number.
He is not saying you know them well. But that you are have seen them or been around them a few time. I met someone at the library-that day- we talked a bit and she told me she could put in a good word for me to find a job.
Can confirm. Once I started cold reaching out to people, emailing and messaging on LinkedIn, and getting referrals, I started getting interviews. Cold applying to big companies doesn’t work anymore.
It's frustrating when someone tells me they are looking for work and when I ask them what they are doing to look for work and all they have to say is they are applying on LinkedIn or indeed. They aren't calling, following up, being a little annoying, or at least TRYING to get someone to talk to them. Even if a company says to not call them, give at least a single phone call just to get some attention. What's the worst they can do? Fire you?
I have taught private piano for over 30 years. In the 'old' days when people quit or 'took a break' they had to look me in the eye or call me on the phone to tell me. Now, I get texts to tell me or, rarely, ghost me. Technology is encouraging cowardness. It's preventing people from personal growth. I feel disrespected when people treat me with a text. I am a quality teacher, but, I'm not treated with quality.
I was also going to comment about her using the word cowardness vs. cowardice, lol... but I agree that technology does contribute to avoidinv difficult conversations.
The first job after school is the hardest to get. No connections, no direction on niches within certain industries. It took me 800 resumes over 6 months until I got my first engineering job. Applying for jobs was a full time job, everyday all day and then worked at night. I stayed with the same company and worked my way up from entry level to Director. Determination and persistence. Don't give up and stop questioning your degree. Go get it
It took me over 500 job applications and 50 interviews the first time. The next time I improved my resume and sent out only 55 job applications and had 25 interviews. I have talked to friends and order people and they don’t understand at all. They only do 2 interviews and get hired. I think it’s just my job field in information technology. Other job fields aren’t like this. If I had known this I would have never gone into this. Worse part is they also select the extroverted people over me even if they have less skills. Just screw them they hiring managers are out of touch.
My whole career pretty much every job I got was through someone putting in a good word for me, or there being someone with some technical smarts going through resume's and picking out people that for whatever reason stood out more than just their schooling and experience would indicate. I don't think I'd do so well in the modern cookie cutter application process. And companies are missing out on some pretty talented folk.
So true! I work at a big hospital in the Coding department and have connections. Met a girl in the breakroom, and she expressed an interest in Coding. Got her name and email and sent her job openings, and told her I would connect her with leadership. Never heard back. She missed an opportunity to move up from the mail room.
Dave never knows what he's talking about. There is no shortage of developers. Remember when saying "Learn to code" was hate speech? Well, guess what...everyone learned to code. The market is saturated with developers and coders. Despite it being a high-level skill, they are a dime a dozen and it is driving wages down.
@@5u5annah 40k is nothing after medical insurance is taken out, federal, state taxes and other bs taxes are taken out - you are left with nothing. If you plan to live on your own no way that is enough for 1 person, forget about having a family and or a house. No way 40k is good income in any state!!
@@northgirl77 yeah I was thinking if I or anyone makes 400 k a yr then taxes can cut it to 200k. Perhaps income may be better to maximize then salary but ppl can live well off or be content with a standard amount
@@5u5annah it’s hard to make 400k unless you are a doctor or doing amazing in sales, or etc. however average people in my opinion can live a normal life if they make 70-100k that is achievable with hard work and experience. Above 6 figures is better of course but it bring more stress and less time with family. For example a recent nurse grad in nj makes 80k. Very decent income. Architect recent grad makes 65k which is ok but not as much as nurse. These are 2 different fields ok? So you have to like what you do. The architect might hate what the nurse daily tasks are and prefers to sit and draw on the computer all day and that’s what brings him/her pleasure satisfaction in their work. Same with the nurse she might dislike sitting on the computer all day looking at the screen and be bored. It’s is not the right career for her/him. So choosing wisely a field that is right for you personally is very important. Also never go and study something that has no job listings not in demand field. It will be waste of time and money. Like people getting degrees in Sociology, History, art history, and etc. also depending where you live is very important. Architect in rural Montana will not make the salary he/ she can make in Manhattan, Chicago or the urban areas why… because construction services are more in demand in urban areas.
As a developer myself, I can vouch many developers are hurting right now because of mass layoffs. Tens of thousands of developers are being laid off at most major companies.
This was my wife - she couldn't get hired for anything mainly because she's on the spectrum. She got tons of interviews, but no one hired her for over a year. She's finally found work, but it took moving to the Arctic where worker shortages exist because no one wanna live up here.
@@maxwellmiles2430 well there are settlements up here, so there's always gonna be essential services. Schools, daycares, grocery stores, post office, healthcare, etc. Usually there are vacancies. And no, no North Pole, Northern Canadian territories. Yukon, Northwest Territories, Nunavut. A harsh life up here but it pays the bills and we're saving up lots because there's nothing to spend the money on. It does feel like the frontier here. Think wild west frontiers, except a Tundra wasteland up here. There's a lot of freedom up here but equally, a lot harder to survive and get your needs fulfilled. Running out of water is a possibility, water quality also sucks, you need to boil it or else you'd get sick. Food shortages at the grocery store happens often. It is not for the faint of heart.
@@XCHDragox115 I'm impressed - some future employers will be, too! A good first step, to be proud. Learn Norwegian or Swedish as a hobby, and you'll have even more opportunities, because there are vacancies in Norden, too.
It depends on your industry. Its not always about who you know either. "The days of walking in and asking the receptionist are over" and the "you need someone to take your resume out of the stack" is exactly the reason why I physically go into the building myself, and *make myself known* Thats literally how I've gotten every job I've ever had. Including my current one. Equally important, or in my case more importantly, is a skillset that you can demonstrate. You need a skillset that people want and value in a market that isn't oversaturated.
I'm currently looking for engineering jobs. I can feel for this caller. I've concluded that many (if not most) job postings are fictional. I think that many places just post jobs to appear larger or that they are growing.
When I attended an institute in 2000 they called it networking. Even back then they were talking about it. It's who you know that can help you get in with a company.
I've applied to over 100 jobs in my field and have gone on several interviews and they demand so much from you and then they cancel, no show, 3 or 4 interviews then no call back. It's wild out there right now.
She should just reach out to the recruiters, tech recruiting agencies abound. Updating her resume on LinkedIn, Dice, Glassdoor etc. will send a notice to the recruiting companies and they'll reach out to her.
This was so refreshing to hear. This was me 7 years ago. Must have applied to over 200 positions all over the country but only got called in to a like 3 interviews. It took a connection through family friend that I finally was able to get my foot through the door in an entry level position. I was giving up hope and thought it was all due to being an immigrant. Its really important to speak the truth and let people know that they are not crazy but that the system is mostly who you know.
It's true, but there are a few (so far from all) jobs, that are more suitable for introverts. First of all narrow down your search drastically. What is your strongest strength? What is your realistical (!) ideal job? Where, at which position, at which workplace, are you the realistical (!) ideal employee? How many steps from such a positions are you? Which would be the steps you need to take to narrow the gap? Even as an introvert you can still ask people who have the kind of job you thus have narrowed down, how *exactly* they got that job, they are introverts, too, so you know how to approach them with your question. One size doesn't fit all. You know that, so act accordingly. Many, but not all, of those who would make the hiring decision, would be one or two generations older than you - take that in account. Make that gap feel smaller if you can - learn about the place nd the person(s) where you would like to work. You could also find professional help, either from books, or from professional recruiters, which you should vet and find recommendations for. As an introvert such a scientifical research approach should suit you better than the extroverted social approach. Skip the apply for everything and be aim at being precise and methodical instead. You'll get fewer no's and it will be easier to find out why you got some no's - to learn from. Ask at your school about where their alumni landed, follow up, through linked in, facebook, yearbook, and ask about information, ask in a way that you would like to be asked in five years time.
An additional idea - look up Pennsylvania university and their free questionnaire about a person's strengths. You can also take an online free test to find out your Myer-Briggs personality in test and get suggestions for a suitable careers so you can adjust your job-search, if needs be with learning a little more for a very short time, adding something from your community college or a free on-line course. Introverts are often creative when it comes to what they are interested in - use that, don't follow the crowd, but offer what is unique for you - in a context you could adapt to. You can do this, but let go of wishing you were extroverted, because that will not happen. You can learn social behaviors though, but you need to add a lot of rest, more than others have to, that's the core difference. Good luck!
I’m a software engineer of over 5+ years that has FAANG experience. She is not lying. The market is tough in tech.
Uh, not to mention that the DEI jig is up...
Its not dei, that the issue (never has been) its the fact that companies are hiring overseas workers because its cheaper and they have less rule they have the adhere to when taking advantage of those employees. Why pay someone in the states a decent good salary when you could pay someone in india a fraction of that and have to provide less benefits @@emaldon7
@@emaldon7🤡🍼
@@emaldon7sounds like cope for being pale and mediocre
@@Nature-ep5cu def a clown baby. Fee fi fo face it, I can’t stand a racist.
Just because someone is saying that they are hiring. Does not mean that they are hiring.
Some companies have the same posting 5 or 6 times.
Some companies only post that they are hiring, but only hire within or have someone else in mind for the position. “Posting” the job is just the HR/Logistics side of it.
@@brittneyb3083 And the government to.
And some jobs aren’t actually jobs they’re hiring for. They are putting feelers out for the future in case they have openings, or to encourage overworked employees that they will be getting assistance from a new hire.
Yep. They are only posting because they have to, but they already know who they want to hire.
@@brittneyb3083Yep the only straight shot is internal promotion or inside referral.
I'm glad I went into healthcare. I don't have to know anybody to get hired. you got a degree and a license? YOU ARE HIRED!!
Same lol
Same!!
That's a field that's really recession proof and yes if your Qualified you can work anywhere.
That’s what the recommendation should’ve been here. Should could be a traveling nurse and work wherever she wants
Sickcare creates sickness every day. Why wouldn’t you fine a job? 😂
Sad state of affairs when people are openly admitting that it’s all about who you know and not your qualifications.
It's always been this way and it should be. We are social animals and our most important skill in life is to form networks around ourselves.
People don't work with a diploma. They deal with a person.
They aren’t “admitting” it, they are using it as an excuse.
It's not sad and it's not recent. This is nothing new. Business is about who you know more than your qualifications. This just isn't being taught. Why do you think people still do networking events? This is exactly why college is a scam. The younger generations have been lied to about how your degree is all you need to get a job. The degree is possibly the first step if you even need it at all. At the company I work at now, interviewees are brought in by word of mouth because we trust each other more than some random applicant who could mess up the work dynamic. We have to run like a well-oiled machine and don't care to risk a block in the gears. Connections are vital in business because business is and always has been about people.
It's both. Unless someone owes you an extra-special favor, you still have to have the qualifications.
right, degrees are pointless/useless these days, this only proves that point
Ken is correct but bringing up the number of job listings isn’t helpful cause there’s a lot of jobs posted that the company has no interest in actually filling them. There’s also a fair amount of scam jobs.
He has no idea what he's talking about. The job market is very competitive. Maybe pre covid she can land a job as an inexperienced developer, but now so many senior/experienced developers are also in the market. And also like you said, many jobs are fake. Company post fake jobs to boost confidence.
Why post them if not interested in filling them?
@@markg999a lot of time they hire internally but have to pretend like they're running a fair process so they put out a poster, accept applications, then hire the internal candidate they planned on hiring the whole time
The point is there is some amount of actual real job opportunities that employers are seeking qualified people to hire for. Maybe 977 is not the real figure, but if it's only 10% of those that are real that's still nearly a hundred jobs which the caller could be qualified for, and she just needs to connect to the one making the hiring decision.
@@markg999 Because then they can tout their "growth plans" which then potentially boost their stock price. Which results in increased compensation for executives.
As hard as it is sometimes, this is exactly why you don't want to leave your previous company under bad terms. You'll never know how far your managers networking goes within the industry you work in.
well you really should never leave a job on bad terms if you can help it. there's absolutely no benefit to you to leave badly. even if they were a terrible company and you hated them, still no reason to not just give your 2 weeks and move on. bad business transactions happen, and that's what jobs are. there's no sense in throwing a tantrum over a bad business transaction.
can confirm High, my co-worker left last year, and on good terms. then 6 months later came back and everyone was desperate to have him back.
A former plant manager posted on my National Employment History Report,
My "new" employer HR called me after offering me the job and said:
"Due to a derogatory work history report, we are rescinding our offer of employment,
In compliance with the Fair Credit and Reporting Act, we are sending you
a written transcript of the derogatory work history report."
The Plant Manager approved $1.5M payment for the Permit company.
My due diligence found 4 permits that were NOT obtained.
Corporate cut his completion bonus by $500K>>>
slinging snot mad.
Corporate asked for me to get the 4 permits>>> NOT my job!
2 weeks' notice.
He was later Fired for the report,
I ended up taking a $50K job after 18 months of trying (History report kept Haunting), I was getting $100K + $25K bonus.
"You'll never know how far your manager's networking goes within the industry you work in."
Very very often outside of your control, if the system is toxic or gaslighting
I think only once left but a smile, the one I worked eventually for about 15 years went down, we even had a night out paid by the owners and still have a wassap chat to talk shit.
All but that I got so burn out I would rather go back with a petrol bomb than a resume.
Ken’s completely correct.
I’ve seen soooooo many people get jobs they were either not qualified for, or with no prior experience - pushed ahead of more qualified individuals; simply based on their connections.
It’s not always about what you know, it’s who you know.
Excuses. Instead of whining figure out what people who are successful are doing. If she can't get an interview then the problem is herself. She needs to wipe away her tears and keep working on it.
Rachel Cruze is exhabit A
I’ve seen way more people get promoted because they were smart, capable workers than I have because they were “friends”. If you were a manager, who would you rather have working in your department, your friends, or experienced employees with a proven track record? You’d choose the latter. And most managers are just like you.
@@drn13355 absolutely, excuses and explanations only help you understand what’s going on; you still have to get at it and put in the time, effort and work to get a job, or get promoted.
@@TonyCox1351 it isn’t even always the “office friend” that gets promoted, but simply the squeaky wheel.
Jobs don’t always automatically throw out promotions, bonuses or raises. You have to ask, be loud, or whatever other action needed to be noticed.
Cause the guy who does all the work, but just sits in a cubicle not speaking to anyone for 98% of their shift, is gonna get forgotten
I think this is unfair. I'm GenX. I know how to work the relational game. I recently went through applying for dozens of jobs that I was perfectly suited for -- as in EXACTLY the level and type of experience they needed and were looking for. I put out the calls to my network, I talked to people, and did all the right things, and I got one interview. ONE. And I didn't get the job. My husband works for a very well known company that has forbidden its employees from recommending individuals for jobs. People have been reprimanded for passing along resumes in the company. You have to have a resume that is seeded with the right keywords so the AI will 'see' it. A traditional resume no longer works, and traditional networking isn't the answer. So the advice missed the mark, in my opinion.
Tech has been in a downturn for the last 5 months. Massive layoffs in the major tech companies like Google, FB, semiconductor, etc. Last number i saw was north of some 210,000 people. She's competing with these newly laid off people with years of experience who are alao looking for new jobs.
This. Unfortunately, on this one Dave and Ken have no idea what they're talking about.
@@cwheeler42they are not developers that’s why ,I wouldn’t take advise from them regarding about software developers jobs
Naw all of you in these RUclips comments are just frauds really. Make a GitHub and get to work and build that portfolio. I always ask to see someone’s GitHub and get no answer…it’s no wonder none of you get hired…why would anyone hire you and you have no way of proving that you can actually code or maintain code? Y’all see that salary and think getting some cert or degree and think ima get that job free. Think again, like I said, make that GitHub or gitlab and get to work and build up them projects. Make that website, build that portfolio….or you WILL NOT be hired…
Good. Tech workers have been overpaid for far too long
@manofsteel9051 As you type this on an electrical device using microchips and code, over a router using microchips and code, over internet servers using microchips and code, powered by an electrical grid using microchips and code, of a video filmed with a camera using microchips and code, as you're eating your pizza bites nuked by a microwave that uses microchips and code, so that you can weigh your obese arse on an electronic scale that uses microchips and code.....
Dave went from theres a developer shortage to there's resumes 9 feet high. Which one is it? From what I undertand, tech companies over hired during COVID and are now pulling back.
I work in tech. There is not a shortage. Dave and Ken have no idea what they are talking about
Also high interest rates prohibit cash strapped companies to borrow money to keep good folks. Good folks soaked the rest of the profitable company positions. No one wants to train anymore hire. They’d rather hire from India someone less skilled.
@@xavierhicks9008right the pendulum has swung. There is only a shortage of experts, like it is in most mature industries
@@troythompson2 I have a senior position at my company and I get people DAILY reaching out to me on LinkedIn trying to get in. It's overwhelming the amount of people that reach out. It's exactly like you said, there is a shortage of experts but there isnt anything close to a shortage of everyone else.
Entry level developer jobs are not as easy to get anymore. There are a lot more companies that need developers than just “tech”, but that did make an impact on the market.
"I don't know who told you this but there is a developer shortage."
Literally every tech giant just laid people off.
@@mununpatel7032 No, modern capitalism and companies over hired because keeping good talent bored at Amazon is better for Amazon than letting Google hire those engineers. Late stage capitalism companies just need skeleton crews to maintain the software, which I think had emboldened companies to fire devs because you don't need a lot of them to keep the systems up and running.
@@mununpatel7032they definitely CAN afford to keep them, the execs just don’t wanna sacrifice some of their multi-million salaries, so they cut hundreds of developers instead.
Never base the job market on big tech layoffs. Always focus on SMB growth, which is what really determines our markets. Yep, those are also the places to look for jobs, because in many mid-sized markets there is a shortage.
@@mununpatel7032 reason being is because there are actually lots of developers now compared to before and most companies can't keep them because of the normal salary.
Yes not everyone is equal skilled. Listen to this woman would you hire her? She sounds like a call center employee not a high level scientist
They're wrong about the search results. Out of 900 results only 100-300 roles are truly available and the pool of candidates is so high that your chances of employment are very low for many applicants. It's not as cut and dry as they make it seem.
They’re so out of touch
Ken & Dave: let them eat cake lol
Companies post jobs that don't exist only to build their resume base or 'test' the quality of job canidates.
They always over simplify the situation. Their message is at least correct overall though.
Still makes personal connections important. Listen to learn please
Ken is saying "your degree doesn't matter, you have to know someone to get hired"
Ken hasn’t had any insightful comments in I don’t know how long. His daft commentary on everything is beyond irritating
Networking is the most important part.
Case in point Rachel Cruze
It's true
I got my first job as a temp. Didn’t know a darn soul, making $16 through an agency. Eventually I got hired on. Then made supervisor. Then manager. Now director. Didn’t have any previous “connections” just met people on the job and impressed them with a little thing called work ethic. You don’t need to “network” you need to be a solid dependable employee.
Them: "There's a shortage of developers."
Also them: "There are too many developers applying for each job."
Like has he not seen the absurd amount of layoffs in the tech sector in the past 18 months? There's a surplus of devs but not enough jobs atm. Same with creaticve work right now (I'm a video editor and I haven't been able to find anything for a while.)
@@the.danielmason99Job sites may have a lot of listings but not from a lot of companies. They often list jobs from agencies or repeat the same listings. This goes for most fields. This is a common practice on INDEED and CAREER BUILDER! Qualified people don't always get hired, even with networking.
Dude I was thinking the same thing. Dave just saying shit to say shit. Literally just talked out both sides of his damn mouth.
There is a shortage of skilled developers. There is a huge demand for skilled developers. There are thousands of unskilled developers that apply for everything, making hiring extremely difficult.
I blame coding bootcamps that make naive inexperienced people think they can land a 60-80k a year job after 6 months of learning development. It can be done if you already have incredible discipline and communication skills, but 95% of the people who do these bootcamps don’t have either.
My husband was laid off end of August of 2023. Every day he applied for 5-10 jobs and had many interviews but no luck on landing the job. He just said to me that you just need to keep applying and eventually you will gain interview skills and someone will give you a chance. He eventually found a job in Nov of 2023. Sometimes it does depend on who you know, but sometimes you just have to keep applying.
The key difference here is mindset
Three months doesn’t sound too bad for a job search
Isn't 3 months about average for finding another job?
@@infamyinfamyEach time I was laid off, I found another job within a month.
so true- not all connections will help u either - people forgot that
A year out before graduating with my Bachelor's in Chemical Engineering, I shot out as many applications as possible and got a job months before graduating. You don't necessarily need someone inside but it does help. Dont quit, just keep applying.
It’s crazy how suckers will go to college and get into debt just to make 40,000 a year. With that said- her voice sounds whiney, unconfident, and she sounds dumb. She should work on speech
I agreed. Also, don't be embarrassed or afraid to apply for Walmart, target, movie theaters, warehouses, fast foods, janitors, and hotels. Ect. It's okay getting pay less than the amount you want for now. You can also keep applying for a position with your degree on the days that you're off. I have a coworker who is 50 and just recently got hired with me at Regal Moveie Theaters. It's never impossible. Even people who came out from 10 years in jail will get a job. You just gotta keep going. I know the struggle. It's hard when It's months, and you feel like you're trying your hardest. The question is, are you, though? I had to tell myself that, and I decided to wake up every day and apply for whatever I could find. I even had to bother the managers multiple times at the same jobs that I applied for. It's possible.
You don't NEED it but it helps tremendously
Yup it’s definitely just a blessing that one gets picked for the job out of hundreds of applicants. My nephews and nieces find jobs so quickly idk how they they even do it when they job hop like crazy. I’ve only had two jobs and they were from word of mouth or just calling in about my application.
@@littlevuggey93yup I started working at a very busy thrift! And many family members looked down on me cause I have an education and how am I at a thrift store???. But I just moved to this state and needed a quick job and wanted experience in customer service so I just took the job. Low pay and a bit stressful but I’m so grateful I’m getting experience. Besides I won’t be here forever it’s all for the experience!
I have 4 and a half years of experience as a software engineer. I got laid off last year and it took 5 months and a depleted savings to get hired. The kicker is out of the many hundreds of applications I sent out, I only got offers from the people from my network, heck I accepted a job back at a previous company. I was rehired because they already knew how I worked and onboarding wouldn't be an issue.
It's a tough market out there.
Its a breath of fresh air to see a baby boomer acknowledge the "have to know someone to get a job" situation.
Lol right. This show has said the opposite for years
Lmfao 🤪
Except you don’t, sure it helps but that’s not a requirement to get a good job. I haven’t known anyone at either of my full time jobs post college graduation. A lot of people have poorly written resumes and poor interview skills but no one likes to admit this about themselves
Seriously? lol you must not know many boomers because a lot of us are very aware of the difficult hiring practices.
@@ballinforlife9you don't have to, but it helps cut that job search down from 6 months down to under 3 months. Without help, you can be out of the market long enough that you basically get blacklisted from the industry.
It's really the worst feeling in the world not being able to get a job. I have been working the same cleaning job for 4 years now. I don't fit in and have anxiety. Very difficult to get and maintain any job.
Start your own residential cleaning business.
No one will hire me
@pandaangry1267 USPS
I’ve been looking for a job the past 10 months really sucks not getting even one interview and I am over qualified for all the jobs I’ve applied to as well have a pretty good resume didn’t cut corners just sucks tbh
I vehemently agree. There's virtually NO overhead and it's great money when you're the boss. I did residential cleaning for two years and made bank @@stephanielakin4666
I don’t agree with Dave on this. I am a US veteran and going through the same thing. I’ve been unemployed for the last 5 months and asked at least 20 people that have networks to help me. Still have had no luck. So people are not just going to help you because you are you.
Agree with you on this point…Just because friends and family know you are looking, they have their jobs to do and it has been moot in my case they immediately say they know someone who is hiring.
It’s been long enough for me that I’m literally farming to shove produce in a root cellar or sell at market. I’ll either make money or at least prevent starving 😂
I'm not so sure about your last comment. I frequent a cigar lounge and have recently became acquaintances with a another regular and today he asked what I was going to school for. As it turns out he happens to be a hiring manager in the same industry I go to school for and told me when I'm ready to apply for a gig to let him know. So it happens.
Did u find a job bro ?
Husband is a well-qualified vet, too. Looking and looking. CBP and USAJOBS seem to be jokes.
it also helps a lot to tailor your resume to each application using key words from the job posting. helps the algorithm find it.
When I was a job seeker, I basically copied and pasted the job posting and I still didn’t get pass the algorithm. Luckily, getting a job was optional and my livelihood didn’t dependent on it.
Still, try to find a phone number, email address, or LinkedIn profile to make a connection with a human...
They are constantly making up more and more excuses for why your resume isn't even read and each year they get more ridiculous.
Companies either list ghost job posts so investors see they are "growing", or they are expecting to find a glittering, pink unicorn. Either way, I've seen jobs being listed for MONTHS with hundreds of people signed up and they didn't call ANYONE.
Well, she was ins them, I would assume she already knows and did so,
Sure!
For real?
My question is what is leading her to move and leave behind all her connections and support for Atlanta and of she is aware of her market there before making the move.
Most of the time, the companies are required to display these jobs publicaly but it is 90% internal hire. HR is required to select at minmum five people to interview but most of the time we already know who we going to hire before we already interview the other four. Really need to work out your network game if you want to get hired in a good paying job that is not entry level.
Most companies pay staffing agencies
I'm one in 7MM, my last 10 jobs, I got a letter that no other persons made it to interview,
Company policies prevents hiring the ONLY person interviewed.
"how many ppl do you know?"
Me: 3.
When my husband and I moved states last year, 3 months before we moved he applied online to every job and we wrote down each one. Not one set up an interview with him. 2 months before we moved he went for 1 week and reached out to each job that he will be there in person that week. He got 2 interviews set. While there he went with resume in hand to 6 places. He got an interview at all 6 and 4 same day job offers. Who you know can help but IN PERSON STILL MATTERS. My husband has a wonderful job that he loves because he was there in person. Bad advice
It really depends what type of job you are looking for. In person works in some industries better than in others.
Idk, I see a lot of job postings explicitly stating they will only look at resumes submitted online, and not to apply in person.
Many places don't let you leave your resume in person. They force you to go through their webpage.
@@montymython754right…most of the job postings i see say DO NOT come in person we will contact you if you meet the *requirements and qualifications*
@furbabies867 what kind of job was it?
Ken is 50% correct. The other possible issue is that her resume is not structured correctly or it’s missing the key artifacts for the AI to pick up for alignment to the role and put it to the top of the stack…
that is not true at all
This is a prime example of one of the flaws in Ramsey ideology… big fan but certain disconnects
Caller clearly was putting herself out there and they ignored what she had to say
okay so what do you expect they should say to her. She displayed little to no interest in any solution, but rather focus on the "Im trying but I can't"
I agree, It's one things when they have to give someone tough love, but she wasn't even able to finish her sentence! Also developer jobs are not that easy to find right now. I know several people who are getting laid off or have been actively looking for developer jobs, even getting interviews, but the competition is so steep that they just can't find a good job.
I didn’t see it that way. They’re trying to help her and she keeps repeating herself. They heard what she said.
Because she kept on repeating herself and wasn’t listening to their advice
Yeah, dumping on her $40K salary. She doesn't need that. She needs concrete specific information and direction. They did half a good job. They have so much power and resources and it's just wasting because they are too busy speaking to hear themselves talk. It's frustrating. Delivery in communication is lacking.
I did DoorDash when I was unemployed. It helped during the time. Much better situation now.
Good to hear!
Me too. It was a GRIND. Thank God for not having to do it anymore.
I work in the trades. No need to network. Simply have reliable transportation and be able to convert oxygen into carbon dioxide and your in!
I wanna know more about her grades, resume and classes she took.
Bro can u help me where did u apply for trade school
Yes, the skilled trades are often over-looked. High schools and colleges push 4 year degrees. Going to trade school is often looked down upon. I went to a civilian aviation trade school. Worked for a major airline until it went out of business. I was able to use my mechanical and electrical skills towards repairing passenger trains. Excellent pay and benefits, including a generous pension. I made $110k without over time. With over time some techs are pulling in $140k to $180k.
Sewer diving, sheet rock, concrete guys and CDL drivers are almost never in downturns. Nuke welders too but like you aren't in this comment section with a job like that
You can get a job but it'll take much much longer if you don't have a connection. I played video games in my free time during college, never took internships, never socialized with anyone, worked a gardening job. I ended up getting a dev job 1 year after graduating. It really isn't impossible to get a job, it's just a lot harder.
One of my friend been applying and never got any call back and he never even go outside or walk in places.. He’s just waiting for a call back.
The trades aren't like this. Most of the jobs I got were from walking in off the street. My current pays over 100K, great benefits, great conditions, no corporate crap to deal with. I don't know how people can put up with it.
What do you do? Which trade?
@@northgirl77 Heavy Truck Mechanic
For my current job when I applied 6 years ago. My boss had resume burn out and just threw mine to the garbage without looking at it. She had already seen many that day. However the HR lady that was with her noticed and was like hold up you didn’t even look at that one. And long behold I got the interview and been working for them 6 years. And have moved up a couple of times. When they brought up the study from 2021 I felt that. Cause if it wasn’t by the grace of God I would of been overlooked and been part of the statistic
... would HAVE been overlooked..
Wow God is Good!!! 🙏🏾💕
@@ashleyelai5656 god is good until it comes to helping the dying and starving children in war
A lot of employers always say, "Go to the website and apply".
They will search for the names of the people they know...thats the point
That’s why many many immigrants go into nursing! No need for connections 😂 Submit your resume and hired on the spot 😅 The hospital I work in, they’re even bringing in international nurses to work and get their green card then citizenship 😬
u mean all the illegals running across the border
Yea but not everyone can be a nurse or wants to work crazy hours as a nurse around sick people.
@@northgirl77I wouldn’t want work that but it looking like I don’t have a choice might need go to med school my business degree looking useless
@@romannavarro1178yeah my business degree was as useless as it was.
I got my job praying Jesus is my connection and key for everything. He is good
Truth be told, prayer works
God bless you brother 🙏🏾
Awesome and amen and God bless you!!
Nice how much does Jesus pay?
LOL keep thinking that Emma - is it Jesus who subsequently fires you then too?
Networking is a must… Also, most larger companies/corporations are using a computer program to chisel sift through applications/resumes before it ever reaches a human being…. Using the exact keywords that are in the job description/job requirements is a common thing the computer picks out… I know my company does that. I’ve heard of people copying the entire job description and pasting it in white ink in the online resume they submit….
I'm a SW engineer at a major company, Dave is wrong about one thing here: You don't need personal connections to get an interview. You need a good resume with real work experience. Her real mistake was graduating with no real experience in programming. You have to work internships in industry or have impressive personal projects. If you have a good resume you will get interviews.
There definitely is an oversaturation of junior devs right now, but a lot of them don't have experience and really aren't competent enough for a junior dev role. If you really like coding and build your own app, or get an internship at a good company, you will be able to find a job. It's sad but it is what it is. People act like you can just do a bootcamp and be ready to make 6 figures but it's total BS
That's a rough place to be in though if a degree is no longer considered enough to be hired as a junior developer. I mean that's the whole point of college right, to get experience so you can be admitted into the industry. Having to go through college and also work internships at the same time is frankly asking too much, even if people have done it before.
I mean I get it. I'm a CS student right now too, and half the people in these classes don't know what a linked list is. But I guess that's another discussion alltogether, as is whether or not requiring a degree is even ethical in the first place for stuff like this...
Very correct. We get engineers who need 2-3 years of basic skills training when they get hired.
Real engineers she's competing with breathe eat and sleep this stuff. It's not just a job for them its a whole lifestyle. Trust me I know this first hand. I spend more time looking at code than interacting with other humans. And I've been that way my whole life. She's competing against dudes like me lol
@@noscopesallowed8128 I agree that it’s a rough place. Blame the education system not the companies. I know plenty of developers without a degrees. I’m a six figure Network Engineer with no degree. Real world experience is king and soft skills matter too. Always be hungry to learn, improve and build new things.
@@nathang2465 Well yes the education system is radically broken, but I can't help but feel like the companies are partially (or maybe even primarily) responsible for the problem in the first place. Every job out there now requires a 4 year degree. You cannot compete if you don't have one, much less even apply most of the time. And now they want you to do more on top of waste 4 years of your life? It's not acceptable.
Sure, maybe you know lots of people without degrees, but I assume they're all older? Back then it was possible to get a job that way, not anymore. At least not in the Western world from what I can tell.
Hell, I'm not even in CS for a CS job. I'm trying to become a cargo pilot for crying out loud. But even they demand "any" 4 year degree.
Just imagine all the time I could spend flying right now getting experience instead of losing 4 years attending some college for some degree I'll hopefully never use... Now imagine the same for a CS student who will spend half of those 4 years in "general education" classes reading Hamlet for the 5th time lmao
I'm hearing the opposite about developer positions. I know developers who've been unable to find jobs for months. Ramsey even said in this video that there were 15,000 applications to his company and they only hired 176. Maybe Ramsey solutions is a great company to work for, resulting with those applications, but that is an indicator that there is plenty of demand for jobs right now.
Yeah, my husband works for a well-known video game company and they laid off 8% of their workforce recently, including many veteran developers
I'm in the same boat as Erica. I would highly suggest going to career fairs all around town. Doesn't matter if it's in your field, like Ken said, there may be someone there who knows someone else who will then pass your resume. That happened to me in a construction company the other day. I am in HR, went to a career fair highing construction workers. The man who was hiring, his daughter is a HR director at a different company. I wasn't hired, but she was nice enough to call me and put me in contact with other people. Apply online at night, but during the day hit career fairs. ALL OF THEM! Wishing you luck, Erica!
I have a feeling these videos are more about Ken balancing Dave's ideas and keeping his job than Ken actually helping callers.
I wasn’t out of a job for months but I know how difficult it can be. I literally can’t imagine looking for a job for months. I got extremely lucky because I met with recruiters who liked me, had openings, and were able to talk to the hiring manager. I’m not a huge fan of this and they show their age because it’s difficult to meet people in that field without having done leg work prior, or having settings to do it like a networking event. You need to know someone but getting there is difficult and unless you’re doing it, you don’t know how hard it is.
DON'T GO TO ATLANTA! ESPECIALLY IF YOU DON'T HAVE A JOB LINED UP
It’s a dangerous city. I went there in 2012. The train ride from the airport to the hotel was like a safari.
Stay out of liberal cities period even if ya have to make 35000$ at home depot
@@jasonleatherwood2172 No, they have all the good jobs. I’d move to manhattan for a 200k job.
@@millennialsecularandauthri3338 yeah but my 3500 sq ft 500000$ home be 2 million there
@@jasonleatherwood2172 All cities are liberal. You are constantly exposed to different languages and cultures and people who are not just like you, which tends to make people more liberal. If you don't like cities, then don't move to a city. Feel free to stay in your comfort zone if cities are too much for you.
The first job is not usually your dream job.
I failed 9 applications before finally finding work. It's not an industry I imagined I'd be in, but I found my way around and got new roles every few years or so.
The caller can set six-month or yearly checkpoints as to whether stay at whatever job she lands or find new work. Between now and then, she gotta roll em up sleeves and do work that she doesn't like.
160 failed applications before landing my first job after getting a PhD
Her issues is her Resume. Connections help, but she got her current job without any connections.
6:20. The amount of jobs posted doesn’t mean they’re all hiring. Tons of companies leave ads up all the time for jobs but don’t have openings for those jobs.
Ken kept getting close, but never said what the real problem is. There's something wrong with her resume, and it's getting rejected by the resume scanning program. She needs to redo her resume.
That's a bingo!
What he said was right.
Exactly!
Hmmm I don’t think that what he was tryna say, think what he’s mainly saying is she’s needs to have connections to help her get her foot in the door
Exactly. She needs a resume optimization to get past the ai
Go back your university and talk to the Alumni Association. Professors and staff always have connections to local companies hiring ie internships or full-time right out of school.
For real everyone should get in good with at least one professor. I have two that would write me a letter of recommendation if I were to ask. Not only that he also has connections plus he invites employers to come talk to the class on how to apply. Some people don't take advantage of their time in school.
In tech in Atlanta the best option is to use a contract to perm company, it is much easier to get through the AI's they use than the big companies. Also every tech company the AI will automatically discard the resume that has grammatical, spelling, or formatting errors.
I'd agree. I've had a lot of luck getting jobs with less wasted interviews by going through temp agencies. They like them because they get to try before they buy.
My brother is in tech and using a recruiter always worked for him.
you can get pulled from the stack in HR ... but its difficult ... you have to match the right key words and. not trip any unknown red flags
When I moved to Knoxville 3 years ago. I started cold calling months before I moved. I reached out to my past jobs leadership and asked for connections and flew out and walked into companies I was interested in and talking to people. By the time I was moving I had several offers ready and am now making more money than I’ve ever made before.
Its easy for people like them who have jobs to say things like that. Making connections and knowing people is such an unfair way to get a job. The education system is all about getting good grades and doesn't reward the "connections" part, resulting in the situation in this call. This ends up in companies not hiring the most qualified person in the stack of applications. Also, I hate how Ken and Dave talk down to her. They've just been luckier. I guarantee Erica worked just as hard, if not harder than the people who work at the Ramsay show (as well as attempt to make connections).
Luckily, I work in a field where I got my jobs through work and practice (not connections).
Idk, maybe it depends on your school and your major. My college did a wonderful job of setting up career fairs and many of the student chapters of industry-specific societies would have prospective employers drop by weekly or monthly to interview graduating students. It was very hard not to get internships and graduate with a job. This was civil engineering.
i also didn’t like how they spoke down to her :(
The problem is software developer. My brother is in that field and it is so oversaturated with employees they can do whatever they want.
Good. Software engineers have been overpaid for far too long. They deserve this humbling
Stay strong introverts and social anxiety folks with zilch connections 💪
social anxiety comes from lack of practice and introversion doesn't prevent you from getting out to get a job. It is essential to correct these traits as early in life as you can because as a member of human society, communication is your #1 asset.
My son was terrified by phone calls and having to talk to people. I made him practice and forced him to do it.
Started with ordering a pizza through phone rather than an app. It's tough at first but it makes all the difference.
@@jazzadexactly I have had social anxiety sense childhood. I have panic attacks you gotta push yourself forward so you don’t just sink into nothing! We need to excel not just give up and except failure.
Lol it's over for you. You won't get a job if this market with social anxiety
🤣🤣🤣 I hear that
Thanks to H1B visas, there is NO shortage of software developers. And that 40k she is making is not that bad, and she could be easily replaced tomorrow.
This is the real truth
Its cheaper to hire a citizen than an h1b. No wonder companies would rather doend extra to avoid dumb people with zero comprehension skills.
Tip - If you apply to one place and they don't respond, apply again and again. It works. It gets their attention and sometimes they will interview you. It worked for me.
When it comes to tech jobs, there are plenty of recruiters who should be able to work with her and find something. They'll also work with her to pinpoint deficiencies on the resume and interviewing skills.
Honestly recruiters are so helpful… they’ll take 25% of your pay as long as you’re a temp, but they will get you hired
That is incorrect about how recruiters are paid, it's troubling this idea still circulates.
External recruiter/staffing firms are vendors like the company you lease copier machines from, contract to clean facilities, refill vending machines - so they are paid from business ops funds NOT portions of the person hired's salary.
@@LapreghieraI’m a recruiter and it’s really upsetting when candidates think I’m taking their salary like wtf? That’s not how it works, and it’s not even possible to do that, let alone morally correct.
Start your own business you all!! Become an entrepreneur!!
I took an unpaid internship with a professional engineering society. The society had an engineering convention. Before this, I had applied to companies for internships, but once I got to the conference, showed them the exact same resume, the same companies that rejected me offered me internships on the spot. I used that experience to intern at NASA and then I used my NASA experience to intern at SpaceX. When I applied for full-time jobs last year before I graduated, I just applied online without knowing people and had 10 job offers lined up because at this point I had enough experience to be competitive. The first part is the hardest (getting that first opportunity). You have to convince someone to take a chance on you, and having a connection/network helps you achieve that first step.
11:50 Dave nailed it. Happens internally too. One of the two people that interviewed me had encouraged me to apply for the role. He and the hiring manager fawned over me in the interview "we were hoping youd apply, so happy you did". They said 2-3 weeks for a decision. Nothing for almy4 months and it was an app i don't use often was the excuse, despite others being hired who don't. I had already learned they hired people months prior and the excuse for the late reply was general life busy stuff. Yeah..
Most of my jobs came from who I knew.
Berry picking was my first job through my mother. I did bean picking because the berry farmer was related to the bean farmer. I later got a job pumping gas, because I got to to know a manager. I repaired a lawn mower for a lady and found another job. Then I heard a construction company needed help.
It goes on and on. I gained work experience in a number of areas until I landed a job in facility maintenance for 12 years and I got that job, because I knew someone at a skating rink where I worked as a side job.
My needs have been met and now I'm retired.
Now retired, looking back, my career job was obtained by doing "volunteer work" for the people that eventually hired me. I had a degree, a military background, spoke a second language, won competitions, and so on, but what got me the job, was doing volunteer work. It gave me a personal connection to the hiring entity. All the other credentials were just extra fluff. Who knew.
Job postings are often fake reqs for a variety of reasons. Do not take advice from somewho who bases the strength of the job market on the number of postings.
You are right, but rejection without feedback is pointless too !!
You can get rejected 6000 times and still be in the wrong direction...
You move to where the work is not the other way around.
Logical
Exactly. Don't live in the Rust Belt unless you want to be broke and riddled with bullets. 🤣
They should of questioned her concerning why she was to moving to Atlanta
@@dawapfactor5882, *should HAVE
Ken is right. I usually disagree with him. My job only has 8 spots with my job title. we have people come and go like any job. The first thing my manager ask before looking at applications... do any of you know anyone who needs a job? granted they gotta go through HR and have some basic requirements met, but that candidate will get an interview as long as HR says we can.
The reason they ask if you “know someone who needs a job” is because if you know them, they are a known commodity with a proven track record, instead of some random off the street who could be lying on their resume. People act like “connections” means some random guy you went to college with, but it means previous coworkers you’ve worked with and can vouch for the quality of their work
When I was a full-time college student, I also held down two jobs (refused to take out student loans). One job was working as an assistant to the college’s evening program (night school) secretary, supporting the evening staff. I did a lot of running for these folks, taking care of whatever they needed. On weekends, I worked for a major department store, in the customer service department. I was on my feet at least 8 to 10 hours a day, often staying late to lock up the safe and close down the department. My supervisor secretary at my other job was desperate to earn some extra money, so asked if I could put in a good work. Sure, she was a likeable person, but she also had power over my ability to keep my job at the college. I put in a good word for her, as she was actually a good worker; however, I sadly discovered she was a good worker if it meant she could sit around to do her job. She was the WORST worker in the department…..no pep to her step and very poor, bordering on indifferent, customer service abilities. I was surprised, as our jobs at the college was taking care of the part-time professor’s requests for materials and resources. She explained it to me, “The college office job is easy, low key, and the professors are educated and civil. The customers we deal with at the store are uneducated financial imbeciles just off the street.” I was shocked at her attitude. I felt great pride when I was able to work with a customer to straighten out their credit and establish a workable repayment plan, whether they were rich or just scraping by. I also discovered that more ‘educated’ and wealthier folks tend to have the largest insurmountable debt problems. Our priorities, and attitudes towards our fellow man, were clearly mismatched. I apologized to my boss for unleashing this sloth upon our department. She quit this “exhausting weekend job” in less than a month. I left the college office job a few months later, taking a better paying job; however, I continued to work the customer service job for an additional year, as I discovered I was really good at explaining to folks how their credit cards worked, how to avoid late fees, and always pay more than the minimum payment. I couldn’t stop them from opening an account, but I could help them overcome the consequences of their decision.
30 years in IT, I just spent about 5 months and found nothing at all. Ended up going back to the place I left and now I am going to leave again because its not a match and I dont even expect to find anything for many months. Its weirdly tight on the market now, but its similar to early 2000s for tech, so this isnt super unusual.
Yes it's horrible don't leave
Ken is saying be on the look out for job fairs, community education classes, company sponsored events, etc. to get to know people in your chosen industry. Maybe reach out to old classmates or professors. It’s about opening the viewpoint to the world instead of keeping it narrow by singular applications. While you are building up your notoriety in the community, work somewhere that either helps you gain experience in your field or something totally unrelated that pays the bills. Either way all you can go is forward!
Tech is rough now for junior developers and she doesn’t even have a CS degree.
Teaching is still a good option. You don't need to know anyone, and there's great benefits.
I was recently part of a hiring committee. We had over 80 applicants and only 20ish people even made it to the committee review because the others didn't include all the required documentation (resume, cover letter, etc). Automatically thrown out.
what other info did they need to provide besides resume and cover letter ?
🖕 cover letters 😂
I feel like they didnt really help her on this one...
Yeah grandpa gave her this whole lecture on not doing the in person work when she went Into the offices to bring her resume. What is more personal than that?!
more like they made fun of her
If there are two fields where you don't need to know anyone to get in, it's healthcare and education. I worked in tech, and switched to education easily without knowing anyone. I now have better pay, better job security, and the best benefits I ever had.
While not having connections is a valid thing, her problem could also just be a crappy resume. Have someone check it and spruce it up.
Totally agree.
6:58 I am SO GLAD Ken caught when she said that.
Dave as speaking when she said it and I was really hoping they would catch that. Thank God!
I'm 57, laid-off on Jan. 8, 2024. In 3 months I have had a total of 3 interviews in person and one virtual harassment (ageism was expressed openly - I refuse to call that a job interview, it was too insulting coming from a punk who is young enough to be my child). No one will hire me. Had to sell my new car and buy a 25 yr old hoopty, am about to sell my condo, but when i do, I won;t be able to afford anything int he state of insanity I live in (CA). So what the hell do I do? I have no support system, and no one will hire me when in 5 years I can take early social security (even though I planned on working until i was 70). 57 and nothng to show for a lifetime career, ruined over a woke girl's inability to take criticism when she was doing something wrong, claiming I was harassing her.
@@paulchakola7372 Your solution is to smoke to Hopium while I sit on the riverbed. Thanks.
This is so true. I graduated nursing school in 2010. Applied everywhere. The only reason I got hired at my first job was because a mom of a girl I used to hang out with in grade school worked there and called HR frequently until I got an interview. For my second nursing job, I knew someone working on the floor I wanted to work and she put in a good word for me.
I used to help my junior all the time and taught him some coding skills.
We eventually lost contact because we moved companies the last 6 years.
Last year I got sick of my workplace and started to look for other companies but it was CRICKETS.
And I have 10 years experience and up-to-date skills.
My junior contacted me on my birthday and by chance I mentioned to him how hard it was to look for a job by just submitting resumes.
He didn't need to ask me about anything except for my resume. He referred me to their hiring manager that same night.
And now we're coworkers and I got a 61% increase (relative to my previous job).
Ken does an awesome job of gently telling the truth amongst Dave’s rambling
Uber eats, door dash. Mow some lawns, any money is better than no money 💰
Saying you probably know about 200 people is bonkers and out of touch
I dont even know 5.
You don't casually know 100-200 ppl? He's not talking about best friends.
That’s a you problem…
Well knowing people isn't the problem. I know over 200 people, because at school alone there were like 100, but I haven't spoken to 190 of them in a long time. The thing is having real friends is hard and waaaaay lower number.
He is not saying you know them well. But that you are have seen them or been around them a few time. I met someone at the library-that day- we talked a bit and she told me she could put in a good word for me to find a job.
Can confirm. Once I started cold reaching out to people, emailing and messaging on LinkedIn, and getting referrals, I started getting interviews. Cold applying to big companies doesn’t work anymore.
It's frustrating when someone tells me they are looking for work and when I ask them what they are doing to look for work and all they have to say is they are applying on LinkedIn or indeed. They aren't calling, following up, being a little annoying, or at least TRYING to get someone to talk to them.
Even if a company says to not call them, give at least a single phone call just to get some attention. What's the worst they can do? Fire you?
This is the side of Ken we have been waiting for for a while! This is his area of expertise!
He seemed really happy lol
I have taught private piano for over 30 years. In the 'old' days when people quit or 'took a break' they had to look me in the eye or call me on the phone to tell me. Now, I get texts to tell me or, rarely, ghost me. Technology is encouraging cowardness. It's preventing people from personal growth. I feel disrespected when people treat me with a text. I am a quality teacher, but, I'm not treated with quality.
Cowardice
I was also going to comment about her using the word cowardness vs. cowardice, lol... but I agree that technology does contribute to avoidinv difficult conversations.
The first job after school is the hardest to get. No connections, no direction on niches within certain industries. It took me 800 resumes over 6 months until I got my first engineering job. Applying for jobs was a full time job, everyday all day and then worked at night. I stayed with the same company and worked my way up from entry level to Director. Determination and persistence. Don't give up and stop questioning your degree. Go get it
I am curious if you tailored all of your 800 resumes? Thanks.
@@capricygao8236 Customize every cover letter, had 3-4 different types of resumes depending on what I was applying for
It took me over 500 job applications and 50 interviews the first time. The next time I improved my resume and sent out only 55 job applications and had 25 interviews. I have talked to friends and order people and they don’t understand at all. They only do 2 interviews and get hired. I think it’s just my job field in information technology. Other job fields aren’t like this. If I had known this I would have never gone into this. Worse part is they also select the extroverted people over me even if they have less skills. Just screw them they hiring managers are out of touch.
My whole career pretty much every job I got was through someone putting in a good word for me, or there being someone with some technical smarts going through resume's and picking out people that for whatever reason stood out more than just their schooling and experience would indicate. I don't think I'd do so well in the modern cookie cutter application process. And companies are missing out on some pretty talented folk.
So true! I work at a big hospital in the Coding department and have connections. Met a girl in the breakroom, and she expressed an interest in Coding. Got her name and email and sent her job openings, and told her I would connect her with leadership. Never heard back. She missed an opportunity to move up from the mail room.
Dave never knows what he's talking about. There is no shortage of developers. Remember when saying "Learn to code" was hate speech? Well, guess what...everyone learned to code. The market is saturated with developers and coders. Despite it being a high-level skill, they are a dime a dozen and it is driving wages down.
Good ones are hard to find.
Well I guess I'm going to healthcare. She makes 40k a year which isn't bad I guess
@@5u5annah 40k is nothing after medical insurance is taken out, federal, state taxes and other bs taxes are taken out - you are left with nothing. If you plan to live on your own no way that is enough for 1 person, forget about having a family and or a house. No way 40k is good income in any state!!
@@northgirl77 yeah I was thinking if I or anyone makes 400 k a yr then taxes can cut it to 200k. Perhaps income may be better to maximize then salary but ppl can live well off or be content with a standard amount
@@5u5annah it’s hard to make 400k unless you are a doctor or doing amazing in sales, or etc. however average people in my opinion can live a normal life if they make 70-100k that is achievable with hard work and experience. Above 6 figures is better of course but it bring more stress and less time with family.
For example a recent nurse grad in nj makes 80k. Very decent income. Architect recent grad makes 65k which is ok but not as much as nurse. These are 2 different fields ok? So you have to like what you do. The architect might hate what the nurse daily tasks are and prefers to sit and draw on the computer all day and that’s what brings him/her pleasure satisfaction in their work. Same with the nurse she might dislike sitting on the computer all day looking at the screen and be bored. It’s is not the right career for her/him. So choosing wisely a field that is right for you personally is very important. Also never go and study something that has no job listings not in demand field. It will be waste of time and money. Like people getting degrees in Sociology, History, art history, and etc.
also depending where you live is very important. Architect in rural Montana will not make the salary he/ she can make in Manhattan, Chicago or the urban areas why… because construction services are more in demand in urban areas.
As a developer myself, I can vouch many developers are hurting right now because of mass layoffs. Tens of thousands of developers are being laid off at most major companies.
This was my wife - she couldn't get hired for anything mainly because she's on the spectrum. She got tons of interviews, but no one hired her for over a year.
She's finally found work, but it took moving to the Arctic where worker shortages exist because no one wanna live up here.
arctic ? Like the North Pole Artic ? What kind of jobs are there ? I would love to explore that option, Please share some information
@@maxwellmiles2430 well there are settlements up here, so there's always gonna be essential services. Schools, daycares, grocery stores, post office, healthcare, etc.
Usually there are vacancies.
And no, no North Pole, Northern Canadian territories. Yukon, Northwest Territories, Nunavut. A harsh life up here but it pays the bills and we're saving up lots because there's nothing to spend the money on.
It does feel like the frontier here. Think wild west frontiers, except a Tundra wasteland up here. There's a lot of freedom up here but equally, a lot harder to survive and get your needs fulfilled. Running out of water is a possibility, water quality also sucks, you need to boil it or else you'd get sick. Food shortages at the grocery store happens often. It is not for the faint of heart.
@@XCHDragox115 I'm impressed - some future employers will be, too! A good first step, to be proud. Learn Norwegian or Swedish as a hobby, and you'll have even more opportunities, because there are vacancies in Norden, too.
It depends on your industry. Its not always about who you know either.
"The days of walking in and asking the receptionist are over" and the "you need someone to take your resume out of the stack" is exactly the reason why I physically go into the building myself, and *make myself known*
Thats literally how I've gotten every job I've ever had. Including my current one.
Equally important, or in my case more importantly, is a skillset that you can demonstrate. You need a skillset that people want and value in a market that isn't oversaturated.
I'm currently looking for engineering jobs. I can feel for this caller. I've concluded that many (if not most) job postings are fictional. I think that many places just post jobs to appear larger or that they are growing.
I feel her... The job market is an effen NIGHTMARE in Los Angeles 💩
All of these types of jobs are handled through recruiters. She needs a recruiter on her side.
When I attended an institute in 2000 they called it networking. Even back then they were talking about it. It's who you know that can help you get in with a company.
$40K is barely enough for one person to live bare bones.
Barely enough for rice and beans or beans and rice 😂
I've applied to over 100 jobs in my field and have gone on several interviews and they demand so much from you and then they cancel, no show, 3 or 4 interviews then no call back. It's wild out there right now.
She should just reach out to the recruiters, tech recruiting agencies abound. Updating her resume on LinkedIn, Dice, Glassdoor etc. will send a notice to the recruiting companies and they'll reach out to her.
100%
This was so refreshing to hear. This was me 7 years ago. Must have applied to over 200 positions all over the country but only got called in to a like 3 interviews. It took a connection through family friend that I finally was able to get my foot through the door in an entry level position. I was giving up hope and thought it was all due to being an immigrant. Its really important to speak the truth and let people know that they are not crazy but that the system is mostly who you know.
So basically, if you're a raging introvert (me), you'll never get hired. World is made for extroverts 😭
It's true, but there are a few (so far from all) jobs, that are more suitable for introverts. First of all narrow down your search drastically. What is your strongest strength? What is your realistical (!) ideal job? Where, at which position, at which workplace, are you the realistical (!) ideal employee? How many steps from such a positions are you? Which would be the steps you need to take to narrow the gap? Even as an introvert you can still ask people who have the kind of job you thus have narrowed down, how *exactly* they got that job, they are introverts, too, so you know how to approach them with your question. One size doesn't fit all. You know that, so act accordingly. Many, but not all, of those who would make the hiring decision, would be one or two generations older than you - take that in account. Make that gap feel smaller if you can - learn about the place nd the person(s) where you would like to work. You could also find professional help, either from books, or from professional recruiters, which you should vet and find recommendations for. As an introvert such a scientifical research approach should suit you better than the extroverted social approach. Skip the apply for everything and be aim at being precise and methodical instead. You'll get fewer no's and it will be easier to find out why you got some no's - to learn from. Ask at your school about where their alumni landed, follow up, through linked in, facebook, yearbook, and ask about information, ask in a way that you would like to be asked in five years time.
Not true. That’s a very naive way of looking at the world.
You are so right. This world is for the extroverts.
An additional idea - look up Pennsylvania university and their free questionnaire about a person's strengths. You can also take an online free test to find out your Myer-Briggs personality in test and get suggestions for a suitable careers so you can adjust your job-search, if needs be with learning a little more for a very short time, adding something from your community college or a free on-line course. Introverts are often creative when it comes to what they are interested in - use that, don't follow the crowd, but offer what is unique for you - in a context you could adapt to. You can do this, but let go of wishing you were extroverted, because that will not happen. You can learn social behaviors though, but you need to add a lot of rest, more than others have to, that's the core difference. Good luck!
As an ex-introvert, stop making excuses and improve your social skills.
If your current approach isn't working, listen and apply Ken's suggestion.
In CA her $40k job is now considered minimum wage!