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don't forget the helpful other player who already knows the rules and interrupts you constantly to explain something that's not necessary to know at that point
That person probably gives spoilers for movies and anime.
"Don't forget to tell them about [weird esoteric rule exception that only occurs once in every hundred playthroughs.]"
God I have a friend that does this all the time... people never want to play boardgames with them because he sits down and explains ALL the rules, not the ones you need to do a first run at the game.
Depends. Sometimes it makes sense and I like doing that myself and I also like if someone complements my own explanations. Sometimes the "main explainer" doesn't realize some player(s) had a misunderstanding at some point and interrupting and going back to re-explain or give additional context goes a long way to save time in the long run. It's just how and when you do it. :)
@@TheKayzor this must be me because I can't imagine playing a game without knowing all the rules
The “let’s just start I’ll learn as I play” when they know absolutely nothing about how to start is painfully accurate
There are games where that's valid, just fewer than people think.
I mean, if you play enough board games, it's not actually that difficult to pick things up as you go. Most games in the same genre share a majority of their mechanics with only small variations
That's because it's more easy to understand the rules that way.
And when they lost, you call you a cheater because they don't know about specifically demanding rule changer 😂😂
Thats my technique in most of the games I've played.
I mean, we understand more with live practice, right?
this is like when streamers skip past the tutorial and all the dialogue and then say "whats going on this is so confusing"
Shit man, you just summed up every big streamer playing Outer Wilds perfectly.
mmmm pain. i know why they do it but come on. if its not a no-brain fps or something can it really hurt to go through a tutorial?
@@redfeatheredreptile not only that but during the game they don't read the dialogue or the literal UI tooltips telling them where the objective is and they act frustrated lmao
@@coolrat3816 it's literally the most frustrating thing ever
Your first mistake was watching streamers
The most frustrating thing about this is that codenames is actually incredibly easy to explain lmao
Explain it right now then 😶
5x5 grid of cards on a table with words on em. 2 teams of 2. Each team has a person that can see the map, which shows where the red, blue, neutral, and assassin cards are. those people then alternate giving one word clues for the other person on their team to guess cards on the table by touching them. Each clue you also say a number that says how many words are related to that clue. If the person on your team touches the Assassin card, You auto lose, but other than that the first to get all their cards first win.
@@fmga I don't know I don't know I don't get it.
What's a card?
@@fmga you can guess more than the number correct? If you're feeling spicy OR if you think an earlier clue goes with a word on the board.
God, that “I dunno, I dunno” bit at the beginning is the most dead-on accurate impression of my dad 3 words into a game explanation I can imagine. One of the smartest guys I know and his brain absolutely shuts down when it comes to learning a new game.
@brokenbrainint.you might have a point there, this being from insecurity 🤔
I grew up with a parent who reads EVERY LINE of the manual and won't let us start the game until they're done. It's not fun. It's okay to get the basic idea and then figure it out from there--just depends on your preference.
"One of the smartest guys I know and his brain absolutely shuts down when it comes to learning a new game."
THIS! My dad is an engineer who designs packaging lines for major food manufacturers and for some reason he always thinks he's too old or too dumb to figure out new game mechanisms like the conveyor belt system that is card drafting. It's honestly baffling to me.
My theory is that this is a result of not wanting to even play a game if you don't feel you have a chance to win. My mom does the exact same thing. They're laying the groundwork to make themselves feel better about losing to someone who already knows how to play.
Whoa, do we have the same dad?
There's gotta be a balance between no explanation and too much explanation when introducing a game to new players. Scientists are still debating where this balance is to this very day.
One scientist is attempting to explain the balance to another, but his partner said he would quote “figure it out as he went along”
Actually, the scientists have already found the solution. The new players are just too lazy to listen to their explanations.
So what you do is you put up a “how to play” RUclips video and play that for everyone to lazy to read the rule book
Personally I make it depend on how complicated the game is. We're playing Orchard or Spooky Stairs, you'll get the full load of rules (which is like two sentences). We're playing Horizon Zero Dawn or Black Angel. I explain the goal first. Then we set up the game together as I explain the components and then I explain all the different steps as we get to them.
@@ALadybugDreamsOfAFarm that's a good delineation
"So the goal is not to die."
Everyone else: "Too complicated. Let's just play Uno."
Omg the agony of accuracy
But I don't have Uno!
And then they don't even play Uno right.
Pretty much.
Can never get anyone to play Risk because everyone considers it too complicated and I'm just like "How?"
Come on, have you tried to stay alive before? Shit's fucking hard, Uno is much easier than not dying.
And the sequel: Everyone plays with different house rules but they refuse to discuss which rules to follow before starting
Uno be like
And this is why me and my friends made up our own version of "bullying" (like uno but with normal playing cards), and i just suggest that any time someone wants to play "bullying", and it works quite often. Still takes like 15-30 minutes to explain because of all the stupid rules and edge cases we came up with
A: "You can't do that!"
B: "Yes, I can."
A: "That's not how the rules work, though."
B: "But we always play like-"
A: "Yeah, but *we* don't."
B: (look of complete shock over the fact that someone else doesn't use a rule that isn't even in the book)
Every time I play anything with my friend (she's B).
@@Macandcheese1818 *I fkn swear* 😤 all of a sudden it's stacks and no one established that in the beginning?! y'all are cheaters smh
my family getting together to play uno when they all play with different rules :
-"let's have fun!"
me:
- "should we maybe take 5 mins for everyone to say their house rules so we don't get surprised mid game when everyone doesn't play by the same rules ?"
them :
-" what do you mean ? everyone knows how to play uno"
me (can't even anymore) :
- "mhm sure..."
*10 mins later everyone is shouting at each other because no one uses the same rules*
*me sighing in my corner*
You have performed a public service with this one. “I dunno” guy is my literal nemesis
I dunno, I dunno
probably because you are boring af at explaining
I can feel the soul leave my body when I finish explaining the rules, then one person in the group looks up from their phone and goes "Sorry, what was that?"
reminds me of a friend who would talk while we watch a movie or series and then would ask "what did the character say?"
We ban phones & tablets during certain game days for that reason. Not the entire time, but while rules are being taught and during games where there's constant interaction. Some friends just don't get that they have to "actively play" tocbe able to play.
Different learning styles sets difficulty level of such a task at maximum, if you can conquer teaching a complex table top game to a diverse group you have mastered teaching more than most professors.
I definitely struggle to stay away from my phone when playing a game with long gaps between turns where other people are APing hard. But I don't get on the phone during a teach! wtf that's rude
@@raichu5458 - I appreciate players like you. ☺
One of my friends once asked, "Why do we always have to listen to all these rules? Why can't we just play and figure it out?" So I just looked at the new game I was about to start teaching, looked back at him and said, "Okay then, play." He stared at the board for a minute and then called me an asshole.
Nice one! let he taste his own medicine.
Tbf I seem to learn better by playing as I go. I'll listen to the rules and the whole thing confuses me until I'm actually playing and learning. Then it all clicks for me.
@@zr_1234 Listen to the rules and learning while playing is OK. But... I don't think playing without listen to the rules is a good way to play.
@@krit2023 the best way is to listen to the rules and then play a warm-up round to better understand the mechanics.
@@zr_1234 Not a bad idea, but someone has to understand the rules well enough to set up and start the game. Typically you want more players to know what they're doing than don't, to ensure the new players have plenty of examples to follow.
It always sucks when someone doesn't pay attention to the few minutes of explanation, then claims the game wasn't fair because they didn't know they could do something.
My favorite is when you forget to tell them a rule and then they violate that rule during the game and then you have to say "oh actually you can't do that" and then they say "you never told me that" and then they think you didn't tell them on purpose so you can win
This is basically my brother and Dad
THIS. Even with my game group. This has happened to me too many times
Whenever I encounter that, I let them do the illegal thing and tell them that I forgot the rule. We keep playing and we'll restart if the game state gets three or four steps out of normality.
@@asailijhijr That's fine whenever the game doesn't basically break from doing whatever it is.
The entire reason my family no longer plays games with me
You're a master at capturing the many frustrations of being a board game enthusiast.
it's almost as if he's a board game enthusiast himself!
Yeah I found this extremely relatable. It's basically the difference between people who are excited by something new to learn vs people who are terrified of looking stupid for not getting something instantly, hence all the "I don't get it, whatever, let's just start" comments. "Board Game Enthusiast" is synanmous with "Coach" more or less.
This skit is so real it's traumatic.
The part where the player picks up the tile and asks about it mid-explanation hits me so hard.
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Teaching boardgames to people who don't play boardgames is pretty tough. I tried to teach my family Catan for Thanksgiving, since I thought it had pretty straightforward rules. My brother figured it out easily, but my parents acted like it was rocket science.
Dad looks at his resources and wants to build a settlement but he doesn't have any place for it
Builds a road but starts looking where to place it after he pays for it and it's hovering it above the board
Naw, boardgames are harder than rocket science for parents. My dad used to be a rocket scientist, for the life of him can't comprehend a moderately complicated game
Why start with Catan XD it is indeed not the most straight forward board game for beginners.
You should introduce people to the game 'poison' (if you hate them or want them to hate each other) or Love letter. Maybe Coup.
Catan has too many moving parts. And also the strategy for victory can be pretty in depth.
I've played plenty of board games, even map-building games, and Catan is far too much for me XD
Same experience with dominion
The lengths some people go to avoid learning new things is remarkable
some people most of the time but most people at least some of the time - laziness is universal
^This. 99% it's not that they can't figure it out, it's that trying to figure it out is too much work for them. Especially if it's for someone else instead of their own gain.
@@18s what's with the random ぬ. it's not even from the same language. it just says "nu" it doesn't even mean anything
Well to be *fair* , board games are pretty stupid
I feel like learning board games you have to put all the information together while you’re learning it, to figure out how you’re going to play, while with other things you just have to be able to recall it some time in the future
Me, starting to explain a game:”We all start with 5 dollars…”
Player:”Wow, this is complicated!”
what are dollars?
@@ryzikx The name for the standard unit of currency in the United States and Canada, and possibly other countries.
@@seof13 A country is a nation with its own government, occupying a particular territory.
@lebushymustache3999 what a government
@@lebushymustache3999 what's a nation
The number of times I'll explain a thing to someone and they'll interrupt with "Well, I don't know anything about that" I'm just like "... Yeah, but *I* do, which is why you just *asked* me to explain it to you" is too high for me to count
If you have a dollar for everytime that happens, how rich would you be?
@@einjarhen7959 I would be able to buy gloomhaven
god i hate that
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The 'what, no? I wanna play! 🥺' is painfully accurate
10 minutes into a game you told them would take an hour... "Is this almost over? I can't wait for this to be over"
@@johnrogers9262We all have friendships to maintain, but in this occasion my heart just tells me to say "it is actually over, you won, congrats"
@@johnrogers9262
"Would you like to do 1 round or 3 rounds? Rounds take 9 turns, so you might get tired of this by then." I say in a game I am very obviously cagey about showing them because it requires them to think and strategize.
"We can do 3 rounds, yeah!" One says as by turn 4 they are both like "Maybe we should just do one round"
"Why is it called Codenames?"
"I.... don't know actually."
FEEL THAT!
Oh no they are evolving
@@adancein The bots have discovered sarcasm. It's only a matter of time before they discover uwu speech and achieve maximum cringe
@@adancein The first one got me laugh actually.
I always figure it was because you were giving a code name to your agent to find your target. Not because the cards are code names but you are giving code names.
@@hoodiesticks Being a spam bot probly already is maximum cringe imo
I've never related more to one of your skits as much as this, all the time when I ask someone if they want to play a board game they'll agree but then act like I'm putting them through some mental torture or something and I'll ask hey you want to do something else and they say no I'm fine but it's clear they aren't interested AAAHHHH
please just say no in the future
Same. I'm on the verge on giving up bringing some board games because everyone else considers stuff like Risk too complicated and won't even let me try to explain the rules.
Yeah, some people get really uncomfortable if the game is more mechanically in depth than monopoly
@@bretginn1419 Risk isn't even that complicated and for the like 2 rules that are, for a first playthrough or two you can just house rule to ignore them so everyone can understand the base game.
Did mobile games rot their brains or something?
I think some people are really afraid of looking stupid and have a chip on their shoulder about it. They assume it's going to be painful, so they shut off entirely and try to skip the painful part. It's a fun and joyous time for all
@@Delcat42 That
Imagine being friends with Sung Won and you see some shit you said to him get put on blast in a video
He's like the Taylor swift of friends
@@theradionicrevival8068 Now I’m imagining him singing all his content. Can’t say I’m disappointed honestly
I literally tried to explain codenames to my parents and this is damn near a word for word script of how it went down
Same, it's haunting
I see you have the "disinterested dad" mentioned in Shut Up and Sit Down's boardgame teach video XD
Haha probably not wanting to feel stupid
The Passive-Aggressiveness in this is so beautiful, I can hear the ghosts of hundreds of conversation past
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My mom acts like all of these and she wins EVERY GAME every time because she's a genius. I don't begrudge her the win, I mind that she wants me to re-explain the game to her every turn while she is winning.
Awww that's so cute ☺️ Sneaky mama
My Dad is exactly like that.
I..how..huh?
Really appreciating that these videos aren't in YT short format. I see you ProZD, and I appreciate you.
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My mom when we try to play any new boardgame:
Came to comment this exact thing.
@Checkmark Holy shit these friggin adbots are getting worse and worse
My mom when I try to explain literally anything and then my mom gets upset that I used a slightly technical word that she doesn't understand, and then I get mildly upset and then both my mom and dad bitch at me for being "condescending"
She’d take it better than if the ad bots were real people when I report them…
(Basically) this is why I can't watch movies with my mom.
This is literally my experience trying to get my friends to play Codenames. I hadn't even begun taking the components out of the box and my friend's wife was already whining and acting like she isn't smart enough to form a complete sentence let alone learn a simple game.
And Codnems isn't even that complicated. Imagine if you busted out Dead of Winter or something.
@@hunaceanor worse, Nemesis lol
Me whenever I try to show someone how to do a hadouken or a dragon punch
Teach them the Campaign for North Africa next time
Haha, you've made me realize explaining boardgames is very much like showing someone a movie you like
Except you are the movie
@@starboyq And the genre depends on the listener:
If they are open-minded and have their ears opened, it's slice-of-life.
If they are are like this, it's a comedy.
If it's ANY worse than this, it's a murder horror.
Okay, there's this lab in China...
-You're a racist
Commenting "And NOW the fun part begins" at like 1 hour mark is sooo common for when I show a movie I like.
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When no one listens when you try to explain the rules
then 10 mins in they’re like “you never said that”
My response to that is usually just "I apologize if I forgot to mention that during the teach," and then depending on the game I'll give the person a one-time chance to bend the rules a little. Usually they're grateful for the forgiveness and acknowledge that I did, in fact, mention the rule that they totally forgot about.
That "I don't know, I don't know...", and shaking your head in frustration, feels incredibly familiar.
This is so accurate. Only things missing are the host having to constantly remind everyone “it’s fun, trust me” and that one person who was on their phone the whole explanation getting mad because of a rule you explained 3 times disrupting their whole game.
I had a friend like this but who wasn't even on a phone, this was back in around 2009 and she would just suddenly say "I'm sorry I stopped listening a couple of minutes ago, I need you to go back"
Replace "on the phone" with "very drunk only two glasses in" and you will know my pain. We can never play anything more complicated than goddamn Catan...
Those friends who are always on their phones, same for showing them a movie you like and they spend like 2/3 of it looking at their phone saying "no its ok keep it on im watching" and when its over "wow that movie was so confusing i had no idea what was happening, not a very good movie imo"
"PLEASE, I am BEGGING YOU to STOP giving hints when you're the code speaker"
As a math teacher..... YUP
This guy is so good at making relatable humor that I somehow feel like I’m both of these people at the same time
There’s only 2 ‘characters’ in this yet it encapsulates me explaining to my partner, her brother, and both of her parents so accurately it’s a little scary.
Fear at a new thing, defeat before we’ve started, absolute confusion at the most basic part of the game, wanting to start before knowing how, asking an obscure question it doesn’t matter if you know.
Sung Won does it again, absolutely perfect video. Joint top with Aunty Donna’s board game video.
It isn't humour, just pain.
So - and I only just picked up on this - but there are three people - look at the different camera angles and the way he turns his head to talk to each of his two friends in turn...
@@juwankane5150 There's actually three characters:
the one explaining the rules.
the one with the kitchen behind him.
and the one with the door behind him.
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The inverse also sucks. When you ask how to play a game and they say: "You'll learn it through playing."
And then the whole time you have absolutely no idea what you're doing or what the win conditions even are
I am irrationally angry over how accurate this is. It hurts my everything.
The absolute look of disbelief when he asked what cards were had me on the floor.
What's the floor?
The way he said “What” after the pause
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The silence after he said "What are cards" sent me into a different dimension. It felt like time had stopped.
Literally the hardest I’ve laughed in a long time
This is the most accurate representation of teaching anyone a board game ever
Or teaching in general 🤣
6 Most men will proclaim every one his own goodness: but a faithful man who can find?
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"The dragon is by the side of the road, watching those who pass. Beware lest he devour you. We go to the father of souls, but it is necessary to pass by the dragon."
@@razjml Dragon cute, pls pet dragon!
My uncle bought this game so he, my dad and I could play and it came in this tiny box that could fit in a palm. We unfolded the rules and took 9 hours to barely understand how to play, at which point it was time for dinner. So the next day we got together to play and broke about 5-6 rules accidentally, which we realized halfway through and had to again take out the rules to see what was going wrong. We then started a game properly after lunch and finally completed it in time for dinner. Don't remember the game but we literally shoved it in the deepest, darkest reaches of my uncles game stash and swore to never touch it again with a ten meter stick. By the end we were all crying and laughing intermittently and completely hysterical. It was traumatic.
Truly, one of the board games ever made
I'm more impressed by your patience, you tried to learn about the game for like-a whole day? Just to seriously play it in another day. If it were me, I would just gave up after 9 hours of learning it.
@@valhatan3907 I mean, I was more on the sidelines since I was like 12-14 and there was only one set of instructions. It was mostly my dad and uncle discussing the correct interpretation of the rules like it was an ancient text and me trying to understand it. I didn't have a phone at the time, the Tv had either Thomas the Train engine or Chugginton and my ebook didn't have any battery left so I really didn't have anything else to do but listen.
You have to tell us the game now
I'm betting on Arkham Horror
“You don’t tell us some rules on purpose so you can win, don’t you?”
“…The rulebook is twenty pages long, that rule barely ever comes up and wasn’t necessary for us to start playing so I brought it up when it came up, and the rulebook is RIGHT THERE! You could have read it for yourself at any point during the last thirty games!”
In his defense he actually did make a point of reading the rulebook for all the games we played after that, but boy did that one make me mad 😅
I feel that. I have a friend who does that to me constantly. I even post the rulebook and a how to play video before game night and he still does that to me.
We tried to introduce my mother-in-law to Catan. She was grumpy and willfully obtuse about it the whole time and we basically held her hand through the whole game so she ended up winning. Then suddenly she liked it. We have never played a board game with her since.
people who take wins and losses so seriously are the biggest bummer man. For me the whole point is to enjoy the highs and lows of the journey, not the end result. Plus spending time with people that doesnt involve electronics lol
@@Oppurtunafish I completely agree. It's nice to have a somewhat challenging game and I'd be disappointed if the people I played with weren't at least trying to win, but the point is to enjoy the process, not crush the souls of the people you're playing with.
@@Oppurtunafish seriously I'm so fucking happy just to successfully get a board game to the table, I can't be arsed to care too much when I lose.
"We have never played a board game with her since." This is the only correct choice, be sure that stays true.
Ugh, In-laws.
This video hasn't even been up for 24 hours and "What are cards??" has already become part of my gaming group's common vernacular.
This Thanksgiving, I tried to explain uno to my family. They thought it was so ridiculously complicated that I had to be making up rules like the reverse card reverses order of play.
reverse??? now your just making up words
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That would be so painful
@@brandonwithnell612 "Oh I know what reverse means! I studied Latin in high school. It means to win second place in a game." 🤦♂️
lmfaooo
This is so painfully accurate, it hurts me. As the main “board game person” of my friend group, peoples’ lack of attention spans has led me to almost not really want to play anymore, and just watch videos of people playing board games - and then just kinda fantasize what it would be like if I was there 😅
Ik that sounds really sad, but I do love my friends - they just have the attention span of a squirrel 🐿
Honestly, bad attention spans I can deal with, but people who want to hang out but aren't interested in the actual game, now there's a lion I can't kill.
You should try Meetup groups, or local game shops. That's where I have found 90% of the gamers in my city
As a squirrel brained friend I appreciate you, my best friend is nuts for board games (she has another circle of people she shares that passion with) me I’m like life has enough rules im good.
@@LizStaples Same. Plus I'm a major introvert, and playing board games with people, even friends, is just exhausting. It's a miracle I leave the house to get food.
Join a board game club
I tried to explain THIS EXACT GAME to my grandma and brother and it was honestly the worst experience of my life. They were on their phones the entire time so I got angry and gave up.
People think that boardgames are hard and overcomplicated because: 1. they played mostly monopoly and its game with 0 decisions per minute. 2. attention span of most people degraded to levels of new born puppy. If you cannot listen carefully for like 5-10 minutes you are the problem not the game.
@@grzegorzowczarek3016 maybe it’s because most board games are boring and/or lame? Why do you think chess or cards are the most played games and not whatever board game needs want people to play?
@@cuyospartan02 Because they are hundreds years old classic of abstract games? Also many objectively boring and lame boardgames like Monopoly are very popular so it's not only about popularity. Huge parts of very popular popculture are trash - a lot of music and books.
There are so many good games out there. But to enjoy them you have to: listen, put you phone down, do some math. It's too much when cardboard competes with Tik-tok.
their loss it's such a good game
@@grzegorzowczarek3016 It's not possible for something to be "objectively boring". That's not how objectivity works.
For most games I like to start with what determines who wins, a lot of people can piece together how the game works much easier knowing the end game. I also like to explain single turns next, with many games what you can do in a turn is pretty consistent, so sometimes all you need to do is explain the win condition and a single turn in order to set yourself up to start playing a sample game
I like this idea, but I definitely feel like it depends on the game. Like for Cascadia, the scoring (which determines the winner) is by far the most complicated part, and trying to explain that first is what makes the "I don't know" guy surface lol. So I always start with the simplest mechanic, so I'd say "Basically it's a tile drafting game, and each turn you'll draft one tile and one animal token". The idea is that sounds simple enough to capture even the most fleeting of attention spans, and I can answer more specific questions from there
This is so real, that “I don’t know I’ll figure it out” exasperation is the exact vibe my mom has
i got into a friend group and they always had to explain the rules to me and constantly praised me for listening well and learning how to play so quickly. i can't believe these are the types of people they had to deal with before lmao
Similarly, I've been praised for not asking questions mid-explanation and as I've gotten more into teaching games I've begun to relate so hard.
My husband and I were at a board game convention today, sat down for a demo of one of them and read the rule book while we waited for the guy to be able to come explain. He seemed so happy and excited that we were doing what SHOULD be everyone's first step upon opening any game 😅 What do other people do, just not read it and flail about!?
@@Mstcartman exactly that, in fact that happens so much so that people hate games on bad assumptions
The exact same thing happens in TTRPGs. With literally everyone else when I explain the "game" they think "Oh, it's a game. Game means competition. So how do you win?" When really it's a story.
There was one guy I was talking to, who never heard about TTRPGs except through pop culture. As soon as I start explaining what had happened to me in the last game, and how you play. He _immediately_ understood that it's a collaborative story based game with no "winning."
I wanted to get down on both knees, and hug him while crying "You're the first person to understand me"
We playtest a decent amount of games. Years ago, we sat down to play a game. Designer starts explaining. We get the game pretty quickly, but don't stop him, just start thinking of how to break it, what strategies/edge cases he might have an issue with, so we can help test the game.
Get through the game, and he was blown away. He thought we had tuned him out while he was teaching, we weren't interested, and were going to be terrible with the game. And in the end, we showed him some major problems with the game which had some fairly easy fixes. He said we were like board gaming hawks who were just hovering and ready to swoop in lol
This is probably your best skit in a while. It's just so accurate and yet hilarious
I like how he picked one of the simplest games, too. It takes less than 5 minutes to explain, if everyone sits down and puts their phones away to listen.
Oh I'm not looking at my phone. No, I'm not checking my work email, I don't check my work emails on Sundays. Okay yeah I do have my work email open, but just so I know what I'm walking into on Monda- ...oh hold up. Omg, what? Woah. Sorry, I should respond to this one.
If you can't explain a game in 1 minute, we're playing russian tac scissors until only one of us remains standing.
As the resident 'Explain the rules' guy for my own group, this... is painfully relatable.
Okay, I won't.
Teachers relate to this all too well.
Every time a parent says 'Let's all stop looking at screens and play a board game or something!' and is presented with an actual boardgame
It is unbelievably maddening how common this exact interaction is, sometimes even in board game groups.
I used to volunteer for a teen's games club a nearby library used to hold. I taught a bunch of 13 year olds how to play board games. This is too accurate for words. I was consistently fighting for their attention. No matter how many times I asked if everyone was following along when I explained the rules there always seemed to be one that doesn't but refuses to say anything. For some reason Exploding Kittens was the worst in this regard. The only upside was the librarian that ran the club would let me take any new games home for a week to learn it myself.
What other board games where you trying to explain? I’m wondering how tf exploding kittens was the worst one to try and explain. The theme involves kittens, maybe they don’t like that part, but the exploding part would likely counteract that
I always introduce exploding kittens as russian roulette with cats
@@penguinflames707 The problem always seemed to be not understanding you need to play the exploding kitten card when you draw it. One time I was playing a game with the kids and the club ended so I had to clean up. One of the kids had all the exploding kitten cards in his hand. Half the time it felt like they were even paying attention. I frequently had to tell them it was their turn and ask if they were going to do anything. They just looked at me like a deer in head lights and threw a bunch of cards into the discard.
exploding kittens have a pretty cool video explaining its rules.
It's short, fun and have all the information needed.
Italian parents, ladies and gentlemen. They apparently know and understand every single rule and variant of Briscola, probably one of the most confusing and unclear games I've ever had knowledge of in my life, but the moment you ask them to play Clue they are all "uuuugh this game is too hard let's just play Monopoly and make up the rules as we go"
Same with Germans and Skat lmao. Pretty much every one over the age of 50 knows how to play it and do play it regularly, but they don't have any interest in playing other games
briscola is actually very easy to learn
until you get to the fucking 5 player variation hOW
Oh my gosh I'm flashing back to high school, where Briscola and Scopa were the only card games allowed at the school (a theft got Magic banned).
And I didn't really like Briscola but played it anyways as a result. XD
I'm gonna take this opportunity to share my best Codenames play ever. So 2 of my words were "cold" and "feet" so I came up with the clue "nervous (2)" for them (like getting cold feet) and they actually fucking got it, it was amazing
One time I needed my teammate to guess "spy" and "child" so I said "Juni (2)" and he got it and that was the happiest I've ever been when playing Codenames
I want to share mine: "Galileo 3" for Genius, Telescope and Laboratory
We were down 4 to 1, and I used "Breathless" to tie together Horn, Mountain, Marathon and Space. They got 3, but Mountain was a bit of a stretch.
I’m not a board game enthusiast but the “What? No, I want to play” sounds so relatable
Alternatively there's the blank look in their eyes as you calmly explain everything and they nod the whole time, and by the end of the game you've had to play every turn for them as they watched, and you still get the feeling they didn't learn a single rule the whole time.
Sounds like they’re trying though. Idk it’s hard, anxiety etc
Our brains can only hold so much, and they get worse with age. We're not robots.
As someone in that category, it's because they most likely don't want to play that game but try to be nice
@@KingsizeKini This is a complicated situation, because I (personally) would rather not play than play with someone that doesn't want to and is just being polite. But I also know some people take it as a HUGE offense if you admit you're not interested, so that sucks :S
I'm one of those people. It's not a choice. It's just extremely hard to learn some games. Now I avoid games I know I will have trouble with so people don't have to play for me. If a game is simple enough I can figure it out within a few rounds of watching others or receiving assistance. If not, I will never figure it out and it must be played for me the whole time.
I work in a game store. This infuriated me. Well done!
Your ability to create a convincingly arguing room while ARGUING WITH YOURSELF is impressive.
Yeah this is just, primo stuff. He is definitely not just figuring it out as he goes afaik
Oh my lord, this is just EXACTLY how i feel when i explain a board game to my family xD
I think it's more that every group has that one friend who has zero patience for new experiences, and will end up making it *your* problem. Instantly a skeptic for anything newer than Catan. 😆
The funniest part of this skit to me is that Sungwon is probably one of the best people you could possibly have explaining board game rules to you. 😂
My favorite thing is how the “let’s just start” people are the same people that will get upset if you say something is against the rules when they try to do it. “You never said anything about that”
My dad to a T
The guy not knowing what cards are yet still wanting to play is just hilariously true no matter what game it is there’s always someone like that 😂
This whole skit is spot on for those of us that are tasked with explaining the rules. Very funny.
Now I'm going to laugh the next time someone says "i'll just learn as we play"
This hits too close to home
You are insanely gifted at capturing random small hilarious things so accurately, that head shake at the start my goodness. So fucking funny.
*God* the whole sighing resignation bit at the beginning was *so fucking accurate.* Like, yeah, you're not gonna know what the hell's going on right away, just sit down and pay attention, I'll walk you through it. Don't act all defeated and overwhelmed before we've even attempted to start learning the rules!
This is literally me when I try to explain anything to my parents. Yes, not just board games.
His bewilderment when he says "what are cards?" as if thats a question someone really asked
That’s why my friends and I always block an hour to read the rules in silence together, followed by a 30mins Q&A and then we start playing with no hiccups 😅
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I’m glad you’ve got people who will do that cause that sounds sooooo boring to me
Guys this is a joke 🫣
What's an hour? We haven't started yet!
I know you said this is a joke but that genuinely sounds like heaven to me lol
The comedic timing mixed with the agonizing patience of SungWon #1 is on point.
I'm spending Christmas with a friends family this year, and I love this family, but oh my gosh, they are so stressful to play games with. There's always the "I dunno, I dunno" cousin is the corner that has me convinced they're having a panic attack, while someone is explaining the rules another person is jumping in "don't forget to explain the Get-away-card! Oh, you didn't talk about trading yet! Remember to tell her the house rules- house rules is if you get 3 the same, you have to lick the ceiling. " Another cousin rushing and saying "Let's just play, okay guys? Before we get in a stupid argument like last time..." which, of course, triggers a stupid argument...and it's always a simple game like Apples to Apples everyone already knows
Fun fact: the Brazilian release of Codenames was originally released as Codinomes, which is a pretty straightforward translation, but it turns out it's not a very used word in Portugual, so the second release changed the name to Código Secreto (Secret Code) to help sell it in the Portuguese market.
So there actually were, presumably, lots of people saying 'what's Codenames?'
And now we know! Thanks friendo
Damn, you've just explained a pet peeve from my childhood. Bless u captain
Hmmm Código Secreto is also the Spanish name, so maybe they were also saving money by doing a single edition for the Iberian peninsula.
@@MrTomlette I think this is the rare occasion where two languages being mutually comprehensible ain't gonna cut it
@@flaetsbnort Hah true, nice brainfart I got.
why does he do the “i dunno i dunno…” so well lol
The quizzical “How do you win?” while everyone else is arguing SENT ME 😂
Accurate.
One thing I've found while learning the rules to a lot of board games is that a lot of rulebooks are written pretty poorly and in a way that invites a lot of questions because they explain things in a bad order.
I also personally hate when people say they'll explain as they go. That always inevitably leads to rules that only get mentioned once someone afoul of them which always is to the disadvantage of the people learning.
My friends and I always pore over the rules to any board game we play, and keep the rule book/pamphlet/sheet on hand just in case one of us need a refresher. And _yet,_ no matter how often we play a certain game, inevitably one of us in the middle of a game will realise 'Oh, we've been doing this part wrong every time'.
so true so true
When the experienced player says something like "I'm just going to discard these cards and draw new ones" and the entire table goes "wait you can do that?!" And the realisation that everyone except them has played like trash because they thought they had to hold onto useless cards etc.
To overcome such inconveniences I always create a long rulebook written in extremely official language (like in license agreement) and send it them to pre-read. After seeing it and being lazy to read couple pages, people ask me to explain verbally. And no matter how difficult it is, they will stick to listening, because it already looks several times easier.
Sounds fun to be your friend!
Genius! I love it.
You "always" do that? Really.
@@constantk8780 yes. Otherwise we just would not be able to play.
wow, you really take an aggressive aproach to the learning of those things... i think i will add this technique to my "how to figure/press a person to do something" and i am telling it in a good way, like if i have any visitor to tell how the hell the bathroom works, because i have seen inimaginable things in a lot of places...
Watching people play Codenames on twitch, I managed to compile the basic outline of the game into three sentences:
There are two teams, red and blue, both which contains a Spymaster.
The Spymasters know which cards are red and which cards are blue.
The Spymasters must provide clues to help their team identify the cards of their color.
Me be like: TLDR, let's just roll the dice and see what will happen 😂
Kid named Innocent Bystander:
This is me and my family every time I want to play something. When I was a kid, my dad used to call me a cheater when we played yugioh because he never wanted me to explain all the rules to him, and he never placed his cards on defense mode. It doesn't help that I was probably cheating too
nice
The way he's just *stunned* that someone would ask "what are cards."
This is your best skit hands down. Painfully relatable
I'm guilty of being the "What are cards?" person once while my friend was trying to explain Pokemon cards to me. But, in my defence, I'd had literally no sleep the night before and my brain had crumbled into ruin. Lol.
This is some of the best acting I’ve seen from your videos. I love it.
That triggered some of my worst moments as a board game enthusiast. I had once a room full of people who pretended were listening, pretended were playing and pretended were having fun while we all pretended that was a game night. Didn't even have the guts to finish the first game (Archaeology the New Expedition). Haven't introduced games to non-players ever since. It seems that people see me now as the "boardgame-freak-who-nudges-people-into-playing-games-when-they actually-want-to-gossip-and-be-drunk-as-hell guy"
Oh man that sounds horrible.
I like that he picked literally one of the easiest games that's always good for a few quick rounds
As Sungwon collects and plays many board games, this one feels personal.
The only thing you forgot is the guy who sits on his phone the whole time while explaining the rules and then complains how the game is too complicated half-way through.
I explain board games as a part time job in a board game cafe and not only I can feel this pretty hard, but I would like to add one more thing from my experience.
Me: so these are the rules of code names
Customer: ok so where are the dice ?
😭
What a cool job! Which country are you from?
Question about dice seems sensible. If person got used to something, then it's reasonable for them to be a bit confused.
It is important to explain at first that boardgames are very variable - giving the knowledge that as in any sphere things might have different ways to entertain.
Prejorative in board game is to narrate the theme, and then mechanics on physical level - components people will manipulate in the game. And then go for the abstract.
Yeah, Monopoly is a staple board game in every household so everyone just compares what they know to monopoly to every board game.
Since Monopoly is also hated, I feel like Monopoly gives board games a bad name. People hate board games because they hate Monopoly. All monopoly is, is you roll dice move your piece do something for the space you land on and end your turn. This lasts for a very long time and is not very fun. So everyone compares all board games to monopoly and it’s not a fair comparison.
Because people compare all board games to monopoly they think all board games have dice
"Zere vill be NO DICE required for zis game."
I feel this, even with a game like Chess. Whenever I would try to play a game of Chess with my family, we’d play like 5 turns because they say “I’ll learn as we go” and they’d be like “This is bs” and rage-throw the board.
This video came out a few days after a family gathering where we played CodeNames and I was completely lost. This video came out at a really funny time 😂
“I hate complicated board games!”
“Um, it’s Munchkin”
@Checkmark 😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳
I mean, Munchkin does have a lot of rules... at least when you mix and match all the expansions
@@UnicornStormeven base rules, munchkin is a lot. They take a while to read but are really intuitive so its a pain to learn but not that hard to teach
I, too, will generate any excuse to not have to play Munchkin.
Playing Munchkin is simple, playing Munchkin WELL is complicated.
The asking about things out of order is so true. "What if this happens?" "So yeah that will be explained in 5 minutes if you just wait"
Bruh every time my family plays the same board games on game night and don't get me wrong its fun but the second I try to introduce a new one everyone's brain shuts off
I had a similar situation once where I was with some friends trying to suggest some games to play but before I could even start explaining what the game was about, they already told me it was to complicated.
The "what does this mean??" "we'll get to that...." is such an accurate mood LOL. My brother and I run into this problem all the time in family board game nights, once our parents really get it it's smooth sailing and we can play board games with like 1000 components to them, but the first time playing a board game is always agony. Also my dad will complain that a new game isn't fun if he doesn't win on the very first time but that's a separate issue LOL
When you think the situations is not that bad and then you hear "What are cards?" 🤣🤣 Had me rolling
Once played Dark Tower with Grandma. She wasn't one for Sword and Sorcery and when they were explaining a rule involving Pegasus, she said something like 'here's what I think of your pegasus" and chucked it across the room"
It's funnier that she was always the sweetest old lady, but those types of games broke her.
Its kinda cruel to do that to your grandma lol
The only games i play
With my grandparents are “playing card” games
And rummikub
Sung Won thank you for giving me something to show to my game group and all my friends