This entire video is outdated! Oops!! I made this video when 'AI' was little more than a buzzword. I tackled interpolated slop from the angle of an animator, because I hadn't seen anyone else speaking constructively about the technology's shortcomings, or correct/incorrect use cases. It was a niche thing that annoyed me. Three years later, AI is a massive cultural issue. It has been created unethically, it is extremely environmentally harmful, and it is replacing talented people with rent to pay. The conversation should no longer be about whether AI generated content sucks, because these observations are no longer constructive or helpful. There are philosophical, practical, and moral issues that need to be addressed, and I don't think there's a worse way to look them than through the lens of pretty/ugly. Maybe I'll make a video about this one day, but for now, I chose to focus on what AI generated slop has taught me about the way I view art. For me, art is a means of connecting with and understanding other human beings. By removing the human element from art, it loses all meaning to me. Because it's no longer a given that anything I see was made by a person, I've come to appreciate the real people who make things now more than ever. Hope this made sense. Thanks for reading.
I think this video is still relevant. It's about AI interpolation, not about AI in general. And while AI in general has become an ethical nightmare, all the points you made about AI interpolation still hold up.
Not too sure how this is outdated. AI generated content is worse, but that doesn't make this interpolation any less bad then it was. Still worthy of criticism
i honestly dont think the vid is outdated. the points are still salient, maybe you just need to clarify what you meant when you used the word “AI” back then.
How right Circle is about something directly scales with the amount of times he says "fuck" He uses fuck twice, and he's extremely correct, so the rule proves itself. I've elected to call this phonomonon the "Circle fuck law"
I appreciate the whole video Noodle makes very good videos and with each video he not only grows his funny but also his animations even if he was assisted by other animators
i'm not sure but i think sometimes animators reuse frames or create their own custom "lip libraries" for all common sounds to save on time. I can imagine that this dude would just have to load an image for each mouth frame and that's it, though i'm no animator.
You say your video is outdated, but I say it's more accurate and important than ever before. There so many self called Ai artist who are obviously not an artist by any means. I hope many people find this video and understand why it is important to do animation by hand. As you told in your comment and description there are many different reasons ai is unethical. But in my opinion it's very important for people to understand why ai animation often seems ugly and how thoughtful every frame in an animation has to be. Even if the softwares you're talking about are outdated the message and the core of your video is still highly accurate. It really helped me as an animation beginner and I think it will help other beginners. You didn't explained every animation trick in detail but you give an incredible overview of what hand drawn animation is capable of. In the end I'm very glad you didn't delete this video the way you handled the situation with the new discription and pinned comment is great.
The reason he says it is outdated is that the discussion is no longer around the prettiness of the "art". In his video he critiques the quality of interpolation frames generated by the popular engine at the time, outlining how it ruins the original intent of the artist and the art as a whole. Now that AI is more advanced, he concedes that it is capable of producing quality animation, yet argues it doesn't matter due to environmental, cultural, and ethical issues surrounding AI. This successfully counters anyone that makes the argument that AI can make good 2d/3d animation and that it is therefor justified, instead steering the conversation towards the consequences of AI. In terms of ethical issues, I'd say that's fair enough, as AI is trained on copy righted material. From a metaphysical standpoint you could argue that humans do the exact same thing when they create art - combining copyrighted material we've experienced over the years as inspiration to create art we view as original. From a legal standpoint though... yeah the AI's easily in the wrong . AI isn't environmentally friendly, but so is a bunch of other dumb sh|t we do that isn't necessary. Why should AI be held accountable when millionaires can travel on private jets just because they have the money, needlessly spewing metric tons of fossil fuels into the atmosphere? On his lack of human element, there's an issue with at what point the tool is responsible for the art when compared to the human. Did I really paint my own master piece when I needed the paintbrush to create it in the first place? Did I really make my own animation when I used interpolation frames generated by a computer to help me out as a reference? And am I responsible for a work I made with AI just because I gave the prompt that birthed it? All of these examples use tools to assist with the art, but the line is blurry where the tool is creating the art instead of you. If the human element really is so important to art, should we value art made with minimal tools, like fingerpainting and clay molding, over art that was made with the assistance of tools (such as the countless digital tools that youtube animators use to speed up their work)? It is undoubtable, however, that the "tool" in AI art is far more responsible for the piece than the other, more conventional forms of art. It is therefor plausible to draw a line in the sand there to distance AI art from normal art. His last point on jobs is definitely the weakest, however. Just because something takes away jobs doesn't mean that we shouldn't go through with it. We shouldn't be paying money to individuals if there is a cheaper, more quality alternative, just so that we can keep a job alive. That money could instead be spent on more important things, like contributing to public services that benefit us all. Without the benefits of job-losing movements like the industrial revolution, we would never have been able to pull the masses out of starvation and poverty at the time. You think world hunger is bad now? Imagine if we didn't have quick and easy ways to make food. Yes, it lost many people's livelihoods, yet it was worth it for the benefit of future generations (that being us). So... yeah, the video is outdated when discussing the issue of modern AI. His comment adds some much-needed context to a current-day viewer that might mistake the arguments he makes in the video for arguments against the AI wave we're experiencing now.
one of my top 10 favorite videos on youtube edit: as right now, i’m listening to this video while animating and i just realized how much charm the animation/visuals in the video brings to the whole message and video itself. awesome!
My initial reaction as a not-really-an-animator was "hey I wouldn't mind" and then I realised that if I had put time into specifically animating something a certain way only for somebody else to come along and be like "hey look I iMProVeD IT" I would probably pop a blood vessel
Yes, for me the biggest problem with all of that is that most of those people who interpolate OTHER'S animation, they think they are better than the animators themselves, they think they are improving this and that they are good at what they do. they dont
@@macaronmunch793 Well, i think its a mix of both. Like the fact that people ruin the animation and still thinks they are the best and that improved the good hard work of an animator
It’s crazy how those old captain underpants flip-o-ramas do a better job at conveying movement than your average ai interpolated 60 fps animation. And the flip-o-ramas are just 2 frames! 2!!!!
Thank god someone said it I remember when Spiderverse came out and some people were saying that the low frame rate was to "save money" aS IF THAT'S HOW ANYTHING WORKS
People these days have a serious case of superiority complex with any kind of knowledge. And then when faults are pointed out they double down and say they're write despite visual evidence to the contrary. Like petulant children.
I hated watching that movie. Sped up the "artsy low fps" parts because its fucking dumb and hurts my head. Things should be 144hz not fuckin 5hz especially if its rendered on a fuckin computer. The actual movie was great but I will never watch it again.
When I began animating a lot of my friends (including me) thought that more frames and drawings made better animation. But in almost every case, more frames just loses clarity and weight that the animation had before. If you're a capable animator, you can make shit look good with 2-3 drawings, depending on the motion. I don't know why people get obsessed with everything being 60fps
I agree to a certain point. With higher HRz in media and technology it's often jaring for me to watch something old at 12 - 24 frames. It looks stuttery when watching something that was made for 60fps or higher then watching something that's old. Almost like bad stop motion at times. Dragon Prince on Netflix was like that for me even if people liked it, I couldn't get into it. But I do agree that an AI doing inbetweens is an inaccurate way to fix this.
Can't believe it took me this long to find your channel, but I've watched a ton of your videos this week and love what I'm seeing. This is incredibly informative on this subject. Love to see it.
Honestly it would be a good way to make things look unnatural. Kind of like how all the mechanical bits in Treasure Planet were CGI and anything organic was hand drawn
literally just 10 seconds into the video and you just earned a new subscriber. watched for the topic but stayed because of the animation style and humor
@@BertoPlease It's at 50 cause its the double of 24. It's a joke (maybe), plus he animated his stuff at the correct framerate while being able to show the interpolated footage as well.
@@user-im9zp4yp9x Yeah... and it's not going to be Google Translate, it's going to be commercial AI-based translators trained on a specific domains such as "computer science books" or "Shakespeare".
@@clray123 The reason Google translate doesnt work as well as it needs to for human standards is because of the model it uses to translate. They use transformer models, which are giant networks of what are called attention matrices to try to be able to understand language and especially context. And with hundreds of millions of datapoints and months of computation time spent training on the most powerful supercomputers in the world these models can only get somewhat close to being accurate. And these models are approaching a limit as to how good they can be, as in order to increase accuracy for Google translates model by 0.15%, the amount of data used must be doubled. They're experiencing diminishing returns. That's because they dont model language the way that language actually exists, the way that humans and linguists have been modeling language for thousands of years - by turning sentences into dependency trees. Using dependency trees and starting from a linguistic standpoint rather than a computational standpoint to model language the way humans understand it is the way to go to create a translation model that can exceed the current models capabilities with far less time, data, and resources.
Even more laughable is when people upload '60FPS videos' where they didn't even use AI interpolation. They just changed the framerate in the render settings :D
I’m giving them the benefit of the doubt and saying they are smart and are covering up the fact that they are stealing an animation for views while doing nothing, which is horrible
@@AviciPerry either my reading comprehension fails me, or people just like to go off topic, the first reply was admiration. Your comment is telling me either something about ads (not in this video) or you disagree with this sponsor. At least this is what my understanding tells me. Either way makes no sense, since this channel does not pretend. Like I said these straight at your face (badly acted (on purpose bad) ads are my jam as in I agree I like them, they are honest, we, they and obviously the sponsor know what is up, when it is done so “fake” Channel need money, brand needs clout. Honest deal. Realism, opportunistic.
Yeah, same, I was paying close attention to the details of this dude's animation since the moment I clicked on the video. I saw the interpolated shot and I was like "YUP! THAT'S THE SHITTY ONE!"
2:44 ''the mind fills in the gaps between them'' this extremely important, imagine an AI adding extra words and sentences to your favorite book to help you understand whats going on...
Good Point but not every addition of ai is good though, imagine adding 1 word to a sentence or word that completely changes the whole idea.Sometimes human just needs to be human
I'm trying to think what it would be like if we did that with comics. Twice the art by dividing each panel into two! Except the AI doesn't understand panel shapes, sizes, where to split dialogue, how to frame each panel, etc, etc. That would NOT be an improvement!
You could have just put a guy on a couch and moved his mouth, but instead you decided to fully animate gestures and detailed mouth movement. What a legend.
@@genopie2673 that he’s very skilled at animating and genuinely enjoys it. i thought it would be obvious that he would put the extra effort in to make a video that’s engaging.
This entire episode is just a mood by itself. My animator brain short circuits whenever people actually try to argue that the 60fps Fantasia (and literally anything else) is better than its original.
My brain short circuits when dumbass animators that barely got through grade 12 math compare motion tweening to machine learning and then go yOu mIgHt nOT sEe tHe diFFerEnce BuT yOU Can FeEl iT! Muh fucking animator feelings, muh fucking creativity. You people are fucking wild.
THANK YOU! It's about time someone brought this up. I feel like a lot of people don't understand that animation being 60 FPS (or more) isn't really the problem, but rather these algorithms that do a terrible job at interpolating the frames. If a talented animator decided to animate in 60 FPS and made every frame with attention and care I'm sure the end result would look fantastic. The higher frame rate just wouldn't usually be worth the effort. Maybe someday there will be an AI that can create perfect inbetweens but it would need to understand on a human level what the animation actually represents and how it should move. Edit: Though even then it wouldn't really suite all animation styles.
And at that point, if an AI really *understood* art, if it could learn and knew pretty much everything humans did, wouldn’t it basically be sentient? I wouldn’t want to make an AI do that, simply add a few frames to someone else’s work, so perhaps it’ll really never be possible
I think AI would definitely be able to replace inbetweener animators as they would be able to find patterns we wouldn’t be able to even comprehend. With enough time they would be able to figure out animation and people wont be able to tell the difference between AI and an animator.
Very well explained - a lot of us that don’t have a background in seeing problems in animation wouldn’t immediately know the difference, but seeing into the perspective of animators seeing bad interpolation is eye opening. It feels a bit like how in music production, throwing on a bunch of audio compression can sometimes sound great to the untrained ear, but to those that work with mixing/mastering it would sound horrible and unnatural to overcompress anything. There’s definitely a high potential for perfecting the balance between machines and humanity in art, but relying fully on the machine tends to have increasingly clear weaknesses. Ironically, I don’t notice the issues with interpolated animation that much, but when it’s thrown into live action (for example those “4K 60FPS” versions of shows and movies) it fr makes me a bit motion-sick 💀 Great video, instant sub
imo does it matter if you dont know it sounds bad i mean if it sounds bad it doesnt matter thats your opinion and if it sounds good idc thats ur opinion like who cares why is doodle forcing opinions on people kinda cringe bruh
The robot at the end caught me off guard and scared the sh*t out of me, I almost spit my sparkling water out of my mouth. That was a 100000/10 jumpscare.
@@divanshu5039you're very right, art is subjective none of this is fact per say. But Isn't there some value in listening to the author's intent? They took a thousand photos and then graded them on an expensive colour accurate monitor because they see the difference. Maybe try and see what they see, you might learn why they care so much.
Hell, it isn't even the industry doing it, it's just random dorks at home who see a really smooth thing and are _amazed_ by it even though the actual movements look like trash when they're interpolated by AI
@@Platitudinous9000 Because they think more fps = better. Like, i get it especially on gaming where more fps matters, but this isn't your highly competitive ultra realistic fps games. It's fucking Tom & Jerry
I'm not an animator but I've always hated these stupid 60FPS "remasters" The literal definition of "fixing of what isn't broken" lmao Thank you for pointing this out, i hope people become more aware overtime💙
I was at my friend's house watching spiderverse and he said it was so cool that they animated at a lower framerate for the style, and his tv automatically interpolated everything without a setting to turn it off so I had to watch spiderverse at 60 fps and wanted to die
I think what I like most is how obscure some of your examples are yet how good they are regardless of their obscurity. Being an animator is hard work...
My grandparents have a tv that interpolates the framerates, and it’s mostly fine on live action stuff, but Scooby-Doo mystery incorporated gets ruined completely
@@greenapple9477 yeah they exist and on my cousins tv i couldnt find a way to turn it off. Nat geo/docus look great. Movies and series however are destroyed 💀
@@greenapple9477 Almost every tv does that now. I'd be shocked to see a new TV without it. It's usually called something like smooth motion or true motion and causes a heavy soap opera effect.
Honestly im not an animator but this really gives me a good insight into what goes into animation and makes me appreciate people working on it even more
I'm not an animator but seeing so many of those viral videos and being able to put why i find it unsettling into words is a gift you gave me thank you.
Fantastic rant, I love it! And you're absolutely right. I love how you underline the intent of the artist. Those who would seek to replace artists with machine learning and AI clearly don't understand what art is for. Replace stuff that people don't want to do, or can't do. But people get joy (and their livelihood) from creating art, and they want to do it. It's one of the things that make us human. I'm no Luddite, and I love using new tools to create my animation. But when it starts to encroach upon the fulfillment that I get from creating, then no thanks! You might argue that this is just interpolation and chill out. But my response to that is just wait, this is just getting started.
uhhh we have been saying it for a long time for the record us pc gamers are the ones that have been pushing this and we always ALWAY mean natural 60 (at least) is better but yeah unnatural frame skipping like he is talking about is dog shit.
Those 60fps videos have largely just been a source of content scraping for reuploaders. Gotta get those free hits. The thing I've always said is that smooth animation hinges on the intent and the motion itself. You can have smooth looking animation playing at 8 fps if it looks natural enough.
As a musician I totally get it. This is essentially the same as those people who sing a song but add a vocal run at every pause. A vocal run when the artist intends it is great but just adding it because it’s “impressive” is tacky.
@@jarvis6253 basically people take an existing song. Speed it up and then put a photo of an anime girl as the thumbnail and title screen. Usually resulting in getting 4 times the views of the original without crediting or awarding the original any of its deserved statuses.
Even if the video is outdated now I still feel like its extremely well crafted. The points were poignient, the concepts well explained to someone unfamiliar with any of the terms, the effort put into the animation, pallete use, and overall enjoyability is strong as well. Yes "AI" as a term has changed to mean something very different (and far more serious) nowadays, but that doesnt subtract from what the video was tackling at the time. Slop is slop, and tackling the weaknesses of said slop to learn something will always be worth it. I hope the future is bright, I hope companies lose their automation boner and come to realise that if you're whole deal is making art then removing the human from the art makes it worthless. Otherwise it'll be like watching a 5 star resteraunt get bulldozed and turned into a mcdonalds, but they keep the name of the old resteraunt. Despite that even the mcdonalds would still have employees working there.
There are some people out there: "ITS 2021+WHY ISNT IT LIVE ACTION?!?!?" Because animation is good, and little man doesn't need to be real to like him.
I honestly don't see an issue, it sounds like jealousy someone did something simple and got alot if views for it. Sure it's lazy content but it's content. Who are you to gatekeep what is and isn't animation content, if someone wants to dump something into an ai to see what happens what's the issue.
@@springtrapnibba Thats not the point though. Imagine if you had a painting you spent hours making how you wanted, and then someone comes by, takes your painting and smears it and told you "here, now it looks better!" The issue isn't that they shouldn't be allowed to do it, to each their own, the problem is that people don't understand how insulting it can be to the creator of the original animation. Especially when its chopped up and smeared as a direct result of the ai.
One of my most favourite things about Spider-Man into the spiderverse is that when you pause it, it always looks like it’s a page from a comic and it’s amazing. I can’t imagine how ruined it could be if it was interpolated 😭
Wait wait, i agree with all this video, an dI love it, but isn't like a way to interpolate timing on animate? like to add a curve and make it the same timing?? (still with less liveness which is the point of that part)
From what I recall of my poo brain level animation, I know that you can use a curve graph in after effects to do what you are talking about. We used it in my college to make a ball bounce smoothly without having to animate each frame. So I imagine Animate would also have that or something similar built in. To utilize this with the little man, you could theoretically attach all his body parts separately together using anchor points/null objects, and then "pull" him by animating the torso or head to the end point. Using the curve graph and motion blur, it would essentially be like a rag doll, with the option of fine tuning each limb. Please note this is all based on my limited knowledge pool, I could be wildly incorrect about most or all of what I am talking about.
You want the puncher, especially his punch, to look solid like a battering ram and the person getting punched to look like he’s somewhere between jello and an actual person. If you are really going slow-motion for the punch itself, lean more into the jello factor. It makes it look soooooo funny and can really give a good comedic break amongst the intense fighting scenes. If you want it to retain intensity, pay more attention to the punches actually connecting and give the punched a really big reactive motion, like launching them across the space of the scene from the power of that punch. Btw, you should take all of this with a grain of salt, because I’ve never animated an action sequence in my life.
@@weirdogirl1275 yes, also you can use jelly factor for giving your character more fluidity. Go watch Alan Becker's video on animation principles, its great
My smooth brain would never be able to explain to other people why higher FPS animation can be looking worse. 2D animations have their appeal for a reason! Even if your animation is choppy / wonky - it does not make it automatically bad. Best 3D example is the "Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs" it's choppy and it is wonderful! Thank you for this well explained animation and giving the examples!
Another good examples are Hotel Transylvania 1 to 3, aside from the fact that those are directed by Genndy Tartakovsky (a man who knew more about animation) it was a great example on the use of Squash & Stretch in 3D animation.
This is the visual equivalent of “8D audio” remixes for songs where they slap random auto pan filters and reverb on an already mastered song completely ruining it
People really think they can make a thing, that was already fixed, improved multiple times and then released, better by adding a few effects or stuff, lol
As a synesthete with enough damn spatial-acoustic processing BS going on to act like some kind of crazy-ass sonar and low-definition ultrasound just by existing near shit that isn't even making noise (why can I hear the structure of this filing cabinet?! Aaaaa) and go on magical journeys of instrument textures or even synth-induced psychedelic MIND MELT (the shit KNOWER did to "Die Right Now" is some kind of Eldritch, Escherian kaleidoscope of acoustic fake-outs wtf?) with an Audeze Mobius and well-mixed songs? FUCK 8D AUDIO. ... While intended to be humorous, none of this is facetious. Stupid fucking bat ears don't even process words that well. Whee sensory processing disorder. At least we can have fun with it!!! ... Why did those vocals sound like they tasted sweet....?????????
I'm not an animator or anything like that, but I've always watched those "60 fps" videos thinking like "I mean, it does look kinda smoother but at the same time looks like someone pooped in every frame I'm seeing", now I understand why I felt like that, something did poop on the frames.
exactly. it technically feels smoother but again also feels like someone threw it out the window, everyone in existence pooped on it and then published it. just no thank you for me!
Part of me wonders: I wonder if the current, very cool trend of using lower framerates in films like Spiderverse, Puss 2 and the upcoming TMNT movie are the animation industry going "You think you want more frames but we are going to prove that you don't." and maybe a more subtle but equally important "Maybe listen to us since we do this ourselves, manually, unlike feeding footage into a program that looks like if you were only allowed to make tweens with the Photoshop clone and heal brushes."
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This entire video is outdated! Oops!!
I made this video when 'AI' was little more than a buzzword. I tackled interpolated slop from the angle of an animator, because I hadn't seen anyone else speaking constructively about the technology's shortcomings, or correct/incorrect use cases. It was a niche thing that annoyed me.
Three years later, AI is a massive cultural issue. It has been created unethically, it is extremely environmentally harmful, and it is replacing talented people with rent to pay. The conversation should no longer be about whether AI generated content sucks, because these observations are no longer constructive or helpful. There are philosophical, practical, and moral issues that need to be addressed, and I don't think there's a worse way to look them than through the lens of pretty/ugly.
Maybe I'll make a video about this one day, but for now, I chose to focus on what AI generated slop has taught me about the way I view art. For me, art is a means of connecting with and understanding other human beings. By removing the human element from art, it loses all meaning to me. Because it's no longer a given that anything I see was made by a person, I've come to appreciate the real people who make things now more than ever.
Hope this made sense. Thanks for reading.
we should put all AI nerds in a box and launch them into space i think
I think this video is still relevant. It's about AI interpolation, not about AI in general. And while AI in general has become an ethical nightmare, all the points you made about AI interpolation still hold up.
Not too sure how this is outdated. AI generated content is worse, but that doesn't make this interpolation any less bad then it was. Still worthy of criticism
i honestly dont think the vid is outdated. the points are still salient, maybe you just need to clarify what you meant when you used the word “AI” back then.
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My favorite thing is when someone posts a fucking ruined, 60fps anime fight scene where ALL the punches have zero fucking weight to them
Same chief
How right Circle is about something directly scales with the amount of times he says "fuck"
He uses fuck twice, and he's extremely correct, so the rule proves itself.
I've elected to call this phonomonon the "Circle fuck law"
Not to mention Anime OPs you can only find at 60 fps on RUclips yikes
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The one punch man fights.......
As an animator who loves doing in-betweens, smudges, action choreography, and impact frames...
Yes, I also find it very insulting.
Oooo Sad-ist :o
>Dream
lol
Oh hi I was not expecting to see you here :'D
My putting my comment here
you don't need to tell us that you do action choreography. that's literaly all your recent uploads(i meant that in a nice way :) )
I always noticed that weird smearing in between many frames of “enhanced” animations. Glad I found someone who put it into proper terms.
Deep-fried inbetweens? : D
@@AstonWildsteel yes that is the official term
I have some news: AI's like RIFE don't do this anymore, unless the frames are too different or your going past 2x
enhanced ones are definetly worse but if you want smooth animations why not draw them in 60 fps in the first place?
Its cause the datasets have motionblur. Like in cameras, because it's made for live action shots with motionblur.
I was so ready for this video to be a slide show of poses, but god dang you animated the whole thing, that's super impressive!!
agreed it kind of caught me off guard
JEEZ Shooch, way to point out
Love Dog btw
yea, but is wasn't very smooth tho.
Nice Dan pfp
He always does that
let's appreciate the full lip sync for the whole video
I don't even animate, and I cry for his hands (and sanity) cause of it lol
I mean, it sure helped prove his point. Also I enjoy your content and would like to compliment how good your work/videos are.
THIS
I appreciate the whole video Noodle makes very good videos and with each video he not only grows his funny but also his animations even if he was assisted by other animators
i'm not sure but i think sometimes animators reuse frames or create their own custom "lip libraries" for all common sounds to save on time. I can imagine that this dude would just have to load an image for each mouth frame and that's it, though i'm no animator.
You say your video is outdated, but I say it's more accurate and important than ever before.
There so many self called Ai artist who are obviously not an artist by any means.
I hope many people find this video and understand why it is important to do animation by hand. As you told in your comment and description there are many different reasons ai is unethical. But in my opinion it's very important for people to understand why ai animation often seems ugly and how thoughtful every frame in an animation has to be. Even if the softwares you're talking about are outdated
the message and the core of your video is still highly accurate. It really helped me as an animation beginner and I think it will help other beginners.
You didn't explained every animation trick in detail but you give an incredible overview of what hand drawn animation is capable of.
In the end I'm very glad you didn't delete this video the way you handled the situation with the new discription and pinned comment is great.
The reason he says it is outdated is that the discussion is no longer around the prettiness of the "art". In his video he critiques the quality of interpolation frames generated by the popular engine at the time, outlining how it ruins the original intent of the artist and the art as a whole.
Now that AI is more advanced, he concedes that it is capable of producing quality animation, yet argues it doesn't matter due to environmental, cultural, and ethical issues surrounding AI. This successfully counters anyone that makes the argument that AI can make good 2d/3d animation and that it is therefor justified, instead steering the conversation towards the consequences of AI.
In terms of ethical issues, I'd say that's fair enough, as AI is trained on copy righted material. From a metaphysical standpoint you could argue that humans do the exact same thing when they create art - combining copyrighted material we've experienced over the years as inspiration to create art we view as original. From a legal standpoint though... yeah the AI's easily in the wrong .
AI isn't environmentally friendly, but so is a bunch of other dumb sh|t we do that isn't necessary. Why should AI be held accountable when millionaires can travel on private jets just because they have the money, needlessly spewing metric tons of fossil fuels into the atmosphere?
On his lack of human element, there's an issue with at what point the tool is responsible for the art when compared to the human. Did I really paint my own master piece when I needed the paintbrush to create it in the first place? Did I really make my own animation when I used interpolation frames generated by a computer to help me out as a reference? And am I responsible for a work I made with AI just because I gave the prompt that birthed it? All of these examples use tools to assist with the art, but the line is blurry where the tool is creating the art instead of you. If the human element really is so important to art, should we value art made with minimal tools, like fingerpainting and clay molding, over art that was made with the assistance of tools (such as the countless digital tools that youtube animators use to speed up their work)? It is undoubtable, however, that the "tool" in AI art is far more responsible for the piece than the other, more conventional forms of art. It is therefor plausible to draw a line in the sand there to distance AI art from normal art.
His last point on jobs is definitely the weakest, however. Just because something takes away jobs doesn't mean that we shouldn't go through with it. We shouldn't be paying money to individuals if there is a cheaper, more quality alternative, just so that we can keep a job alive. That money could instead be spent on more important things, like contributing to public services that benefit us all. Without the benefits of job-losing movements like the industrial revolution, we would never have been able to pull the masses out of starvation and poverty at the time. You think world hunger is bad now? Imagine if we didn't have quick and easy ways to make food. Yes, it lost many people's livelihoods, yet it was worth it for the benefit of future generations (that being us).
So... yeah, the video is outdated when discussing the issue of modern AI. His comment adds some much-needed context to a current-day viewer that might mistake the arguments he makes in the video for arguments against the AI wave we're experiencing now.
someone reuploaded my animation but with 60fps and got 1 million views before any of my videos did T-T pa i n
P a i n
Also, good to see ya here!
Copy strike it
SUE THEM
Give that vid a copyright strike then!
13:56 - He's right.
Great work, this was awesome.
ayy, hey ross !
Thanks a ton, love u ross
Ross. Anyways I saw the price and for some reason I though: "this is a honey ad"
Yo it’s Ross
Love your stuff, hope you're doing well!
Finally Noodle makes a video at 50 fps, I always thought his other work looked choppy but now it's buttery smooth!!!
Pão com ovo
Wait you're real? I thought noodle made you up for a joke in his crunch video
Punk Dunk? Here? Wow
@@Black-sy7dlpau com ovo
How to....surprise an audience
one of my top 10 favorite videos on youtube
edit: as right now, i’m listening to this video while animating and i just realized how much charm the animation/visuals in the video brings to the whole message and video itself. awesome!
My initial reaction as a not-really-an-animator was "hey I wouldn't mind" and then I realised that if I had put time into specifically animating something a certain way only for somebody else to come along and be like "hey look I iMProVeD IT" I would probably pop a blood vessel
You made my day with this comment haha
yea true
Yes, for me the biggest problem with all of that is that most of those people who interpolate OTHER'S animation, they think they are better than the animators themselves, they think they are improving this and that they are good at what they do.
they dont
its not the OmG I ImpROveD iT which annoys me, its that the animation looks like shit
@@macaronmunch793 Well, i think its a mix of both. Like the fact that people ruin the animation and still thinks they are the best and that improved the good hard work of an animator
I want my animation to really FEEL like it's real life and real life is garbage so it makes sense
jef
You are so brave😔😔😔😔😔🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌
this guy is onto something
you animate?
@Emmanuel Brijandez Torres Because life is pretty boring for most people, unless you have enough money and motivation to make it not boring
dude somewhat off topic but this video looks so goddam buttery smooth and ur lip syncing is actually fantastic
zark I love you
hey zark, love ur animations
hehe sheep man hehe
You're a pretty awesome sheep.
Hey it's that guy who animated that gumball spider thing
It’s crazy how those old captain underpants flip-o-ramas do a better job at conveying movement than your average ai interpolated 60 fps animation. And the flip-o-ramas are just 2 frames! 2!!!!
Don't forget the dogman books.
THANK YOU NOODLE
Go back into the basement and make more animation also be safe
Im the 15 like
@@jairus2008 ok
Hey juny
noodles
"heres a picture of a little man, he's doing well and i'm proud of him." - I will die for him.
We should protec the little man at all cost!
LMPA Little Man Protection Agency when?
Sam
Dog: *sad noises*
Thank god someone said it
I remember when Spiderverse came out and some people were saying that the low frame rate was to "save money" aS IF THAT'S HOW ANYTHING WORKS
WAIT PEOPLE ACTUALLY SAID THAT I didn’t watch it but even I know that’s not why there is a low frame rate
People these days have a serious case of superiority complex with any kind of knowledge. And then when faults are pointed out they double down and say they're write despite visual evidence to the contrary. Like petulant children.
I mean... the framerate did look a bit weird and choppy but it was still a kickass movie so I didn't complain
@@LowKiiSavage I think that was the point to make it look more like a comic book style
I hated watching that movie. Sped up the "artsy low fps" parts because its fucking dumb and hurts my head. Things should be 144hz not fuckin 5hz especially if its rendered on a fuckin computer. The actual movie was great but I will never watch it again.
0:44 you activated hey google for me bruh
big respect for the fact that he literally has "ad break" as a chapter and lets you easily skip it
But why would you. He did such a great job animating it
AD IS AD!!!
@@nerdoftheseasonnwibani2456 see but skipping the ad is not cool
I didn't even notice it cause sponsored block but that was very cool of him.
@@outofideasexe i don't have to skip the ad the computer does it for me. since i installed a plugin. /shrug.
When I began animating a lot of my friends (including me) thought that more frames and drawings made better animation. But in almost every case, more frames just loses clarity and weight that the animation had before. If you're a capable animator, you can make shit look good with 2-3 drawings, depending on the motion. I don't know why people get obsessed with everything being 60fps
First furry
cuz *frames*
Beginning to realize this as I learn and experiment with 3D animation
amen🙌
The only channel I find to be much better in 60fps is kurzgesagt.
"60fps is good, when the animator intends it"
never have i agreed with something so much
I agree to a certain point. With higher HRz in media and technology it's often jaring for me to watch something old at 12 - 24 frames. It looks stuttery when watching something that was made for 60fps or higher then watching something that's old. Almost like bad stop motion at times. Dragon Prince on Netflix was like that for me even if people liked it, I couldn't get into it. But I do agree that an AI doing inbetweens is an inaccurate way to fix this.
@@Arkken most anime are done in 24 fps and it doesn't look jarring you sound like someone who wants to play a game in 144hz on a 60hz monitor
Yeah, Agree
@@takashimizutani1808 Maybe not to you, but it does to me. Also 60 fps is pretty standard. Going above that is extra.
@@Arkken
Games fixed at 30 FPS: hi, how are ya?
The anamorphs cover was just a perfect analogy.
Agreed
Ikr lol
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I still have fond memories (aka: sick twisted nightmares) from reading the animorphs book series
Umami I love you and interface keep up the good work
Can't believe it took me this long to find your channel, but I've watched a ton of your videos this week and love what I'm seeing. This is incredibly informative on this subject. Love to see it.
“ I don’t like watching an animation..that’s got vaseline all over it”
Why does that make so much sense
@toijg avnnr never stop
Keep going
Hijacking this comment to warn people it's VERY loud at 14:07. Headphone users beware
I feel ya. I feel ya SO MUCH.
Also, I got you to 666 likes.
Exactly. Vaseline is for eating, not video footage
@@condensed_sam finally, I can now ascend
Horror idea: everything is normally animated at 24 fps, but the monster is animated with an alternating 12/48 frames.
Honestly it would be a good way to make things look unnatural. Kind of like how all the mechanical bits in Treasure Planet were CGI and anything organic was hand drawn
See, this is a good use for it
If I ever make a creature from beyond our dimensional perspective, like an angel or eldritch being I'll try that out. I expect it will portray well
good idea!
If we ever get another Volume of Love, Death & Robots, that should be used in an episode.
"here's an image of a little man, he's doing very well, and i'm proud of him."
god looking at frogs from above
yes.
just yes.
perfect 👌
amazing
espectacular
excellent
cool
nice
literally just 10 seconds into the video and you just earned a new subscriber. watched for the topic but stayed because of the animation style and humor
I love how the title has "[4K 60FPS]" just so the algorithm targets the people who watch those kinds of videos.
Defeating the computer at its own game!
And then the video is capped at 50 fps looool
And I assumed it worked because rn it has 4.7 million views
@@BertoPlease That makes no sense, is he in the UK?
@@BertoPlease It's at 50 cause its the double of 24. It's a joke (maybe), plus he animated his stuff at the correct framerate while being able to show the interpolated footage as well.
“Water boarding it in ketchup” is the single most fabulous phrase I have ever heard and I’m stealing it
Had to pause the video to laugh on that one.
The quality of this analogy is top notch
I plan to use it, as well.
"Why do you say that animation isn't good?"
Me: "It's waterboarded in ketchup."
As a translator, I vibe with this video whenever someone asks me why I ask money for something Google Translate does for free.
Lol, anyone who thinks Google Translate is accurate definitely isn't fluent in a second language.
@@crk1414 aaaaand that's why I'm making an effort to learn Japanese! Though, sometimes a robotic translation works too- if applied right.
@@user-im9zp4yp9x Yeah... and it's not going to be Google Translate, it's going to be commercial AI-based translators trained on a specific domains such as "computer science books" or "Shakespeare".
@@clray123 The reason Google translate doesnt work as well as it needs to for human standards is because of the model it uses to translate. They use transformer models, which are giant networks of what are called attention matrices to try to be able to understand language and especially context. And with hundreds of millions of datapoints and months of computation time spent training on the most powerful supercomputers in the world these models can only get somewhat close to being accurate. And these models are approaching a limit as to how good they can be, as in order to increase accuracy for Google translates model by 0.15%, the amount of data used must be doubled. They're experiencing diminishing returns. That's because they dont model language the way that language actually exists, the way that humans and linguists have been modeling language for thousands of years - by turning sentences into dependency trees. Using dependency trees and starting from a linguistic standpoint rather than a computational standpoint to model language the way humans understand it is the way to go to create a translation model that can exceed the current models capabilities with far less time, data, and resources.
Absolutely XD
3:55 I swore there used to be a sponsor here
Same?
it was a honey sponser and noodle said in a community post that he's removing all honey sponsorships because they've started stealing your data
@timtom5501 good things can't last forever 😔
Thank u for this video
60 fps 2d animation is too bad
Even more laughable is when people upload '60FPS videos' where they didn't even use AI interpolation.
They just changed the framerate in the render settings :D
WELCOME TO THE ANIMATION ZONE
I’m giving them the benefit of the doubt and saying they are smart and are covering up the fact that they are stealing an animation for views while doing nothing, which is horrible
Love your Chanel :)
Execution by excessive framerate.
Animation is my passion
these straight at your face "I need money" "they need clout" type sponsors are my jam, realism at it's finest.
Feels better than the whole ad bit cus like c’mon Man U know you’re getting payed for this no need to have this unspoken pretend gam
@@AviciPerry either my reading comprehension fails me, or people just like to go off topic, the first reply was admiration. Your comment is telling me either something about ads (not in this video) or you disagree with this sponsor. At least this is what my understanding tells me. Either way makes no sense, since this channel does not pretend. Like I said these straight at your face (badly acted (on purpose bad) ads are my jam as in I agree I like them, they are honest, we, they and obviously the sponsor know what is up, when it is done so “fake” Channel need money, brand needs clout. Honest deal. Realism, opportunistic.
This was an awesome video. Educational and very funny as well. Great stuff!
“This whole shot is interpolated did you even notice”
I’m proud of immediately noticing
same my first thought before it came up was. um.. tf.
Yeah, same, I was paying close attention to the details of this dude's animation since the moment I clicked on the video. I saw the interpolated shot and I was like "YUP! THAT'S THE SHITTY ONE!"
And that’s the thing, it’s not even hard to notice, especially when you know what the original looks and feel like.
I didn’t even notice lol
Same I knew something was up xD
60fps Mulan: 5 mil views
The criticism: 6 mil views
Mulan's now got 6 million at the moment.
@@concept5631 this video still has 400,000 more though
@@BlueverseGacha Good.
@@concept5631 Good.
Good
2:44 ''the mind fills in the gaps between them'' this extremely important, imagine an AI adding extra words and sentences to your favorite book to help you understand whats going on...
Good Point but not every addition of ai is good though, imagine adding 1 word to a sentence or word that completely changes the whole idea.Sometimes human just needs to be human
@@inliothixie Pretty sure that was their point
I'm trying to think what it would be like if we did that with comics. Twice the art by dividing each panel into two! Except the AI doesn't understand panel shapes, sizes, where to split dialogue, how to frame each panel, etc, etc. That would NOT be an improvement!
Example:
Then, as George ran moved away from a the chicken animal rooster, blah blah blah
it's the difference between an audio book created with text to speech and a talented voice actor.
that was the most fun to watch watch engaging RUclips animation I've seen in a while! You're animations rock!
You could have just put a guy on a couch and moved his mouth, but instead you decided to fully animate gestures and detailed mouth movement. What a legend.
@toijg avnnr y
who the hell do you think he is
he’s,,, an animator
@@freebeerishere whats that supposed to mean?
@@genopie2673 that he’s very skilled at animating and genuinely enjoys it. i thought it would be obvious that he would put the extra effort in to make a video that’s engaging.
This entire episode is just a mood by itself. My animator brain short circuits whenever people actually try to argue that the 60fps Fantasia (and literally anything else) is better than its original.
Yoo look who i found! Love your channel guys
My brain short circuits when dumbass animators that barely got through grade 12 math compare motion tweening to machine learning and then go yOu mIgHt nOT sEe tHe diFFerEnce BuT yOU Can FeEl iT! Muh fucking animator feelings, muh fucking creativity. You people are fucking wild.
@@fohex40 You speak like a 15 year who just discovered 4chan
@@walpang8968 Watch out. He got thru 12 grade with ease man. I'd tread carefully if i were you. Can't you see how smart and mature this man is?
fohe x Ooh look at me! I'm a miserable tosspot who lost touch with feelings and I think i'm on top of the universe. Shut up.
THANK YOU! It's about time someone brought this up. I feel like a lot of people don't understand that animation being 60 FPS (or more) isn't really the problem, but rather these algorithms that do a terrible job at interpolating the frames. If a talented animator decided to animate in 60 FPS and made every frame with attention and care I'm sure the end result would look fantastic. The higher frame rate just wouldn't usually be worth the effort. Maybe someday there will be an AI that can create perfect inbetweens but it would need to understand on a human level what the animation actually represents and how it should move.
Edit: Though even then it wouldn't really suite all animation styles.
Isn't it ironic too how most of your animaton is done with interpolation yet it fits the style perfectly
Uncle Donald
And at that point, if an AI really *understood* art, if it could learn and knew pretty much everything humans did, wouldn’t it basically be sentient? I wouldn’t want to make an AI do that, simply add a few frames to someone else’s work, so perhaps it’ll really never be possible
@@justseffstuff3308 art is subjective
I think AI would definitely be able to replace inbetweener animators as they would be able to find patterns we wouldn’t be able to even comprehend. With enough time they would be able to figure out animation and people wont be able to tell the difference between AI and an animator.
I didnt even realize this was 3 years old! Its still so important and relavent!!
I hate that it’s sometimes easier to find anime openings on YT at 60 fps rather than the original, it ALWAYS looks worse and you can tell immediately
they can dodge copy-strikes by interpolating the footage.
"this is 24 fps, this is 48. look close. you see the difference"
yes the difference is that turning my quality up to HD actually crashed my computer
Lol! Sorry for that
Is that actually true 😂
@@macropie45yearsago18 yes because my computer is old and sad
@@eastdakota6954 dang. Hopefully you can get a better one
@@eastdakota6954 my google crashes every time i put a video on anymore than 480p, c'mon bro come with the shit computers gang
Very well explained - a lot of us that don’t have a background in seeing problems in animation wouldn’t immediately know the difference, but seeing into the perspective of animators seeing bad interpolation is eye opening. It feels a bit like how in music production, throwing on a bunch of audio compression can sometimes sound great to the untrained ear, but to those that work with mixing/mastering it would sound horrible and unnatural to overcompress anything. There’s definitely a high potential for perfecting the balance between machines and humanity in art, but relying fully on the machine tends to have increasingly clear weaknesses. Ironically, I don’t notice the issues with interpolated animation that much, but when it’s thrown into live action (for example those “4K 60FPS” versions of shows and movies) it fr makes me a bit motion-sick 💀
Great video, instant sub
this is a really good analogy
Hello
This comment is amazing
imo does it matter if you dont know it sounds bad i mean if it sounds bad it doesnt matter thats your opinion and if it sounds good idc thats ur opinion like who cares why is doodle forcing opinions on people kinda cringe bruh
You got the point. You know who else like smooth animation? Gamer of course it's gamer.Pls robot don't replace our jobs.
The robot at the end caught me off guard and scared the sh*t out of me, I almost spit my sparkling water out of my mouth. That was a 100000/10 jumpscare.
As a photographer, i absolutely love it when people take my color accurate photos, stick a pink goop filter over it and upload it to instagram.
Lol, they don't even need to do that. They just need to display it on a demo TV in a store.
@@mokahless 2 months
Art is subjective. Don't get triggered. It's natural human behaviour, the reason why you have a camera to shoot in the first place.
@@divanshu5039”don’t get triggered” 🤡
@@divanshu5039you're very right, art is subjective none of this is fact per say. But Isn't there some value in listening to the author's intent? They took a thousand photos and then graded them on an expensive colour accurate monitor because they see the difference. Maybe try and see what they see, you might learn why they care so much.
alternate title: how to get cursed images from perfectly normal animations by using an AI
@Soinas Doyi they’ve been calling that a remix for the last 50 years
This guy made a 15 mins animation "that probably took him ages to make" about how automating the animation industry is bad.
Respect
Hell, it isn't even the industry doing it, it's just random dorks at home who see a really smooth thing and are _amazed_ by it even though the actual movements look like trash when they're interpolated by AI
@@Platitudinous9000 Because they think more fps = better. Like, i get it especially on gaming where more fps matters, but this isn't your highly competitive ultra realistic fps games. It's fucking Tom & Jerry
Agreed if you're sincere (the quotes make it look like you're not, but not enough that I'm sure it's the case)
I'm not an animator but I've always hated these stupid 60FPS "remasters"
The literal definition of "fixing of what isn't broken" lmao
Thank you for pointing this out, i hope people become more aware overtime💙
I was at my friend's house watching spiderverse and he said it was so cool that they animated at a lower framerate for the style, and his tv automatically interpolated everything without a setting to turn it off so I had to watch spiderverse at 60 fps and wanted to die
watching spiderverse on 60FPS is like playing quake without guns
bruuuuuuuuuuuuh
tvs do that?
@@micachimera sadly, yes.
no more interpolated magma lcd screen tvs
return to crt behemoths
Oooooh that’s why I look at these videos and feel awful about them! The tween choppiness is horrible
everybody gangster til the artistic integrity of the style being displayed to the viewer turns into a jackson pollock painting
Oh my god, its the Minecraft music man
2 replies 2 hours ago wait
I wasn't expecting C418 himself to be commenting on this kind of video
Literally gives me a headache
Yoo C418
11:53 - the tony hawk psx sound effect.. thanks for that! good old times. your content is incredible
My comment is useless
@@dababystone472 then delete it
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I don’t even play tony hawk but I felt his spirit enter my mind when that little sound played.
@@argo9721 I’m removing your halo privileges
you're not useless, you're wonderful, wishing you all the best!!!
I think what I like most is how obscure some of your examples are yet how good they are regardless of their obscurity.
Being an animator is hard work...
I've been one but, quit because it was too hard.
*-REALLY-*
(Some took me days)
@@nhihybizx it's a long process, but personally I think it's worth it
Being an animator requires an I for detail.
Exactly I have been drawing for half a year now and I have not even approached animation because I KNOW how hard it is
My grandparents have a tv that interpolates the framerates, and it’s mostly fine on live action stuff, but Scooby-Doo mystery incorporated gets ruined completely
My tv does the same stupid thing it makes everything look so much worse
I've never heard of a tv taht does that.
@@greenapple9477 yeah they exist and on my cousins tv i couldnt find a way to turn it off. Nat geo/docus look great. Movies and series however are destroyed 💀
@@jayzor1911
Please tell me the brand of that tele so that I may excommunicate it.
@@greenapple9477 Almost every tv does that now. I'd be shocked to see a new TV without it. It's usually called something like smooth motion or true motion and causes a heavy soap opera effect.
Honestly im not an animator but this really gives me a good insight into what goes into animation and makes me appreciate people working on it even more
@Bolia Fops true
i'm only a 3d animator lol so i don't get it
@Bolia Fops i have adhd so sensory issues happy but i still think the name is stupid it's literally just panning
Dude, I love this Noodle guy. I’m subbing
THANK YOU! Seeing and having to wade through so many 60fps interpolated clips when trying to look back at a highlight moment in a show drives me nuts.
agreed!
Ok buddy
who u
IKR
ok calm down, it's ur fault you look at stuff similar to it so it recomends it
I'm not an animator but seeing so many of those viral videos and being able to put why i find it unsettling into words is a gift you gave me thank you.
Fantastic rant, I love it! And you're absolutely right. I love how you underline the intent of the artist. Those who would seek to replace artists with machine learning and AI clearly don't understand what art is for. Replace stuff that people don't want to do, or can't do. But people get joy (and their livelihood) from creating art, and they want to do it. It's one of the things that make us human. I'm no Luddite, and I love using new tools to create my animation. But when it starts to encroach upon the fulfillment that I get from creating, then no thanks! You might argue that this is just interpolation and chill out. But my response to that is just wait, this is just getting started.
Damn, was not expecting this guy to comment!
jams
Thanks so much for sharing your perspective! And for commenting at all lol. You're an inspiration
I love you James Baxter
!!!! JAMES BAXTER
Let’s appreciate the fully animated cartoon over a video essay with a UNIQUE ART ATYLE and LOTS OF EFFORT.
Interpolation on tom and jerry is a nightmare to look at. Like the devil gave unnatural powers to the animators.
Agree
For me. It's like riding a poorly designed rollercoaster. It's not good. And get me sick physically.
I’m glad I'm not the only one who thought this.
I absolutely love your animation style by the way!
We all thought this
I animate on 24 fps and sometimes prefer 12 fps
why are you in absolutely every video i watch, i was chocked when i lookes on BFOS intro video and u was not there.
how did I really find you here
Dog you animate bfdi. Love your stuff though 👍
I actually animate my own OS my previous videos are just tests
The man, the hero.
The legend, you mean.
@@sperinthalakkat9831 the god
literally who?
The flippin' long thingy made of wheat and water and whatever.
Wait ur alive
the final scene scared me, thanks for all of this explanation, I can have more opinion about the matter.
"oh that AI thing looks cool-"
*shows the little man moving like a block of cement *
"oh I get it now nevermind"
@Melancholy Mouse NOOOOOO
Yeah but also not actually an example of the issue, the second position wasn't different so there was just movement and no interpolation.
@Melancholy Mouse HELL YEAHHHH!
@@mitriarts1100 Oh boy I did do love Jschlatt's newest bit about putting "BLACKFACE" in all caps in his thumbnail. that one was pretty funny. /s
@@Wabbajacrane *N o i c e*
I thought I was just being an old man when I thought interpolated animation looks like ass. Glad I'm not alone.
Same
Yeah same I rather have Low frame When Watch old animation? wait what?
@@aidendoesado3624
Neither do me sorry I wake 24 my brain is not in a good state so you see something I don't even know what I'm doing.
I mean I was awake for 24 hour so yeah that.
When I saw it on twitter I thought "It looks weird, funny but weird" then it just went worse
Thank God someone finally said it
wait why isn't their any replies on this ?
@@omarbkhaitan3106 wait why is there only one reply on this?
@@thatweirdguy8810 wait why are there only two replays on this
uhhh we have been saying it for a long time for the record us pc gamers are the ones that have been pushing this and we always ALWAY mean natural 60 (at least) is better but yeah unnatural frame skipping like he is talking about is dog shit.
I'm actually so happy right now. This trend has actually made me more mad than.... most things? And I'm glad it's finally be called out.
It’s so funny how since robot movements are super snappy they use pose to pose anyways, maybe with interpolation in some spots
Those 60fps videos have largely just been a source of content scraping for reuploaders.
Gotta get those free hits.
The thing I've always said is that smooth animation hinges on the intent and the motion itself. You can have smooth looking animation playing at 8 fps if it looks natural enough.
yeeeee 1st
@@duality2398 lmao what
why
This is the most *sensical* comment on this video.
@@fenrirwolf4157 I’m sorry I had to
wait wtf, Zedrin ?
That jumpscare at the end is scary, but scariest part was that he used the AI
Thank you for the warning before I watched it
@@J.L_art i got a warning and still jumped
I read this, completely forgot during the video and I got scared xD
Bro I started to read this comment then the jumps are happened lmfao still got me
@@SlyFunkyMonkey same
As a musician I totally get it. This is essentially the same as those people who sing a song but add a vocal run at every pause. A vocal run when the artist intends it is great but just adding it because it’s “impressive” is tacky.
this is very well shown on the russian version of the voice, they add a belt or a run at the end of every 1-4 phrases.....
Or when someone speeds up a song and calls it "Nightcore"
@@heroninja1125 yeah, best example here. Its lazy, stupid, and an insult to the composers/artists
@@heroninja1125 what even is nightcore anymore
@@jarvis6253 basically people take an existing song. Speed it up and then put a photo of an anime girl as the thumbnail and title screen. Usually resulting in getting 4 times the views of the original without crediting or awarding the original any of its deserved statuses.
Even if the video is outdated now I still feel like its extremely well crafted.
The points were poignient, the concepts well explained to someone unfamiliar with any of the terms, the effort put into the animation, pallete use, and overall enjoyability is strong as well.
Yes "AI" as a term has changed to mean something very different (and far more serious) nowadays, but that doesnt subtract from what the video was tackling at the time.
Slop is slop, and tackling the weaknesses of said slop to learn something will always be worth it.
I hope the future is bright, I hope companies lose their automation boner and come to realise that if you're whole deal is making art then removing the human from the art makes it worthless.
Otherwise it'll be like watching a 5 star resteraunt get bulldozed and turned into a mcdonalds, but they keep the name of the old resteraunt.
Despite that even the mcdonalds would still have employees working there.
5:55 "Here's an image of a little man. He's doing very well and I'm proud of him."
Thank you I love him
Image of that little man supremacy?
@@Anotherchild_lol yes kaja, image of the little man supremacy
@@Anotherchild_lol Thank you two, I've created a sect with this, now we kickin' the -je- juice
There are some people out there:
"ITS 2021+WHY ISNT IT LIVE ACTION?!?!?"
Because animation is good, and little man doesn't need to be real to like him.
@@jimhaney6384 good
"i also dont enjoy watching an animation that's got vaseline all over it" THATS EXACTLY WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE
JEEZUS THANK YOU for putting in the work to explain what a bunch of us animators feel!!
I honestly don't see an issue, it sounds like jealousy someone did something simple and got alot if views for it. Sure it's lazy content but it's content. Who are you to gatekeep what is and isn't animation content, if someone wants to dump something into an ai to see what happens what's the issue.
@@springtrapnibba Thats not the point though. Imagine if you had a painting you spent hours making how you wanted, and then someone comes by, takes your painting and smears it and told you "here, now it looks better!" The issue isn't that they shouldn't be allowed to do it, to each their own, the problem is that people don't understand how insulting it can be to the creator of the original animation. Especially when its chopped up and smeared as a direct result of the ai.
@@MaxieTheMax and in terms of animation and its rules/theory looks worse on closer examination.
@@springtrapnibba you’re missing the point entirely.
@@MaxieTheMax Lmao Idc if they insulted it looks better
You are the most amazing animator and i love you. Heres a sub ❤
One of my most favourite things about Spider-Man into the spiderverse is that when you pause it, it always looks like it’s a page from a comic and it’s amazing.
I can’t imagine how ruined it could be if it was interpolated 😭
It does have interpolation. From your TV.
@@vyor8837 not everyone has a tv with interpolation
@@dudexd908 if it's an LCD display, it has it.
@@vyor8837 but....that's what he said not every one has an lcd display
@@ewankirby7627 who?
This just randomly popped up into my recommended and I’m happy it did.
Same
whoa, it’s almost as if that’s exactly how recommended videos work
same
@@AfrewSpines I dont know why but this reply made me laugh. Sorry if that offends you
same here lol
Wait wait, i agree with all this video, an dI love it, but isn't like a way to interpolate timing on animate? like to add a curve and make it the same timing?? (still with less liveness which is the point of that part)
_Sir Pelo Scream_
omg its pelito
I’m honestly unsure-
From what I recall of my poo brain level animation, I know that you can use a curve graph in after effects to do what you are talking about. We used it in my college to make a ball bounce smoothly without having to animate each frame. So I imagine Animate would also have that or something similar built in.
To utilize this with the little man, you could theoretically attach all his body parts separately together using anchor points/null objects, and then "pull" him by animating the torso or head to the end point. Using the curve graph and motion blur, it would essentially be like a rag doll, with the option of fine tuning each limb.
Please note this is all based on my limited knowledge pool, I could be wildly incorrect about most or all of what I am talking about.
Sr pelooooo yes
I keep coming back to this video whenever I forget about it and I love it more every time
They always felt so underwater and just. not nice? to me. This explains it a lot better
They look like jelly and it's all over the place!!
Video title: 4K 60FPS
Video: 1080p 50FPS
lmfao great video
huh what real 7 minutes ago wtf
Ok
Oh hello there nathaniel
Nathaniel fucking Bandy everytime
no
I genuinely feel educated and my appreciation for animation has improved.
Cool comment. But your not James Baxter.
now go arround and harass people for using interpoaltion
@@user-wi7iy2me7y what about animators that use interpolation
@@noahlovotti7722 harass them too
@@user-wi7iy2me7y bruh 🗿
ok but 3:59 is such an incredible run-down of all of them in my opinion
"but it's smoother!" yeah, well, so's my brain.
self burn!! ooh those are rare!
@@procrastinatorqueen pfft, the only thing burning around here are my eyes, when I see my hideous face in the mirror.
@@basedbattledroid3507 bro... u good?
@@basedbattledroid3507 that's some pink guy shit right there
How to make every single anime characters look like jelly when they are fighting punch by punch.
You want the puncher, especially his punch, to look solid like a battering ram and the person getting punched to look like he’s somewhere between jello and an actual person. If you are really going slow-motion for the punch itself, lean more into the jello factor. It makes it look soooooo funny and can really give a good comedic break amongst the intense fighting scenes. If you want it to retain intensity, pay more attention to the punches actually connecting and give the punched a really big reactive motion, like launching them across the space of the scene from the power of that punch.
Btw, you should take all of this with a grain of salt, because I’ve never animated an action sequence in my life.
@@weirdogirl1275 yes, also you can use jelly factor for giving your character more fluidity.
Go watch Alan Becker's video on animation principles, its great
My smooth brain would never be able to explain to other people why higher FPS animation can be looking worse. 2D animations have their appeal for a reason! Even if your animation is choppy / wonky - it does not make it automatically bad. Best 3D example is the "Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs" it's choppy and it is wonderful! Thank you for this well explained animation and giving the examples!
Another good examples are Hotel Transylvania 1 to 3, aside from the fact that those are directed by Genndy Tartakovsky (a man who knew more about animation) it was a great example on the use of Squash & Stretch in 3D animation.
Damn, maybe people like interpolated video bcoz o the same reason. Choppy/wonky lol.
It was on 666 likes...... I see that number everywhere so instead of leaving it.. I fixed it
Holy Shit, XboxGamerK. I remember watching you when I was in High School. you FNAF animaitons were part of my middle school and high school life haha.
@@bloodangel13 YES! That one too! I would talk a lot about "Cloudy" in my online animation school, so I totally forgot about Hotel Transylvania.
watching this video just made me thing "oh you past sweet summer child hold onto that." the entire time.
Noodle’s level of genuine fury was terrifying. It made him going through the sponsor in a normal mood feel jarring.
Wow well that's smart. As for me I wouldn't have thought of that in 1000 years
This is the visual equivalent of “8D audio” remixes for songs where they slap random auto pan filters and reverb on an already mastered song completely ruining it
People really think they can make a thing, that was already fixed, improved multiple times and then released, better by adding a few effects or stuff, lol
I like 8d audio for the sole affect of me being in an empty room or the song playing from a far place, but I love the original more.
Oh, I understand now.
Omg so true
As a synesthete with enough damn spatial-acoustic processing BS going on to act like some kind of crazy-ass sonar and low-definition ultrasound just by existing near shit that isn't even making noise (why can I hear the structure of this filing cabinet?! Aaaaa) and go on magical journeys of instrument textures or even synth-induced psychedelic MIND MELT (the shit KNOWER did to "Die Right Now" is some kind of Eldritch, Escherian kaleidoscope of acoustic fake-outs wtf?) with an Audeze Mobius and well-mixed songs?
FUCK 8D AUDIO.
... While intended to be humorous, none of this is facetious. Stupid fucking bat ears don't even process words that well. Whee sensory processing disorder. At least we can have fun with it!!!
... Why did those vocals sound like they tasted sweet....?????????
I'm not an animator or anything like that, but I've always watched those "60 fps" videos thinking like "I mean, it does look kinda smoother but at the same time looks like someone pooped in every frame I'm seeing", now I understand why I felt like that, something did poop on the frames.
"the Spy has already breached our defences, it could be you, it could be ME! it could even b-"
exactly. it technically feels smoother but again also feels like someone threw it out the window, everyone in existence pooped on it and then published it. just no thank you for me!
@@gooberone why is this so funny 😭
Part of me wonders: I wonder if the current, very cool trend of using lower framerates in films like Spiderverse, Puss 2 and the upcoming TMNT movie are the animation industry going "You think you want more frames but we are going to prove that you don't." and maybe a more subtle but equally important "Maybe listen to us since we do this ourselves, manually, unlike feeding footage into a program that looks like if you were only allowed to make tweens with the Photoshop clone and heal brushes."
@@Anarqism*BOOM*
Nice information, and good quality video dude
imagine somebody puts this into a 60fps just to spite you
Thanks for the idea
@@Ihavetoreturnsomevideotapes are you working on it?
What if you reupload the video and just say 60fps when its just the normal video :troll:
@@Unmustache1 i'm not gonna reupload this man's hard work
@@immenseshoutmon tis was just a joke
Interpolated animation always looked so wonk to me but I couldn't put my finger on why it did. Well now I know why.
Hjgg
@@jrurbbehdidiwdnndjduw85eos73 OH LOOK ITS SHWERPY!
Yeah me to ikr
Never expected to find you here lol
Now go get your college work done or smth
Yoooo shurpee 😳
Love how even though it’s a sponsor he’s still as tired of honey ads as everyone else is
Every time I think of honey ads, I think of that annoying guy who's like, "I! Have! A! Challenge! For! You!" and he says it at the speed of sound before telling you to log onto your family's personal laptops and downloading it for them without their permission
I literally never saw a honey video b4 and i can *feel* the sheer exhaustion
It's an annoying ad but its genuinely a really helpful extension.
yeah, i genuinely was interested in honey until i started seeing the ad that’s like a full minute of a lady going “cLiCk hErE to download noOOoOoO don’t SKIP by clicking over theReEEeEe, click HERE RIGHT HERE HERE HERE NOW DO IT” i almost thought it was funny the first time but it kept. going. out of spite i skip those ads now. and although i appreciate mr beast, the ads he voices all sound like they’re trying to manipulate kids into typing in their parents’ credit card info. i know it’s free but...eesh. “i have a CHALLENGE FOR YOU. without asking for permission, download an unfamiliar extension onto EVERYONE’S computer! they’ll thank you for being such a sweet caring little angel and you’d be basically giving them all free money!!!! now GOGOGO”
Raid shadow legends and VPN ads want to have a word with you
1:25 BRO I SWITCHED MY RESOLUTION JUST WHEN YOU DID THAT LOL