Setting out an offset hip rafter***FITTING THE GARAGE ROOF ON THE 12 HIP HOUSE***
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- Опубликовано: 14 авг 2022
- In this video I show me fitting a garage roof, mostly in time lapse, with some explanations on how I set out for the front hip to be offset with the corner of the wall plates.
Very well explained Del, thank you 👍🏻
My pleasure Luke🤩Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
Another good one Del you just make them look easy really enjoy them as usual. 🔨👍
I've certainly had some practice on this job Paul😆Join me in my next video where I'll be showing how I fit 2 more hips😬🤣Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
Absolute magic the way everything goes together😃Great stuff, Del👏
It's pretty cool Dominic🤩 (it's not like that all the time😬) Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
I got the theory of what you meant, very well executed Del. 👍
Appreciate your comment Bob🤩and thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
Great looking job 🤘😎🤘
Hi Wayne🤩Cheers fella, and thanks for watching 😎
Excellent job mate 👍
Thanks for watching Tyler🤗Cheers Del
Great video Del, considering what you had to work with you have done an Excellant job......well done !!
Once again, thank you for you great comment and watching my videos Michael🤗Cheers Del
Top job Del...they're the best ones ...on some level for us over 50s lol👍
Hi Adrian🖐Most things seem like they're on another level since I got into my 50's😩😆Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
Well done Del a real head melter for us meer mortals 😁👏🇮🇪☘️👍
There is different ways of doing this John, with different outcomes🤔and, bizarrely, I find it harder getting my head around the different options here, than I do on much more complex roofs😵💫Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
Well built house, unlike a lot of the rubbish about! Loved the speeded up bits!😂😂 You've actually given me motivation, a positive mindset, thanks. My advice is to have 6 weeks holiday a year...to re.charge the mind and body. Excellent work 👍
Hi Andrew🖐Thanks for your great comment and I agree about having a break from work to let your body and mind rest🤩Cheers Del
Another great video my brother, seems like you are always ready for the challenge, wether is a building out of square or crooked lumber...👍🏽👍🏽
No point moaning bud🤔you just gotta deal with what's thrown at you🫡Thanks for your comment 😎 Cheers Del
Excelente trabajo 👊 💯
Thanks for watching Vianka🤩Cheers Del
Great work as always Del. Bloody banana timber
Like most of us this summer Peter, it was suffering from sun exposure😆Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
Sorted that one out nice Del 👌
It looks great now its all tiled in Mark👊Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
Hi Del, i have watched the video 4 times and i am still struggling to get it... a job well done nevertheless... today i have been well and truly schooled.. fair play to you Sir..
Hi Erroll🖐All I've basically done bud, allowed for the front plate to sit 100mm further inside where it should have been so the soffit and fascia widths can be matched to the rest of the roofs on the job, and it only leaves the front soffit over the garage door wider so IT kinda matches the other 2 larger soffit overhangs on the wrap around lower roofs👍Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
Clever stuff 👌
Hi Andy🖐Hope you are well mate, and not getting to hot🥵 Cheers Del🍻
@@thetallcarpenter All good Del thanks, still hot here staying untill the 5th of Sept , be rude not to 😁👍
@@bricklayersworldwithandy6277 Good for you mate👊I'm not heading back to the UK from Southern France till early September either😎
@@thetallcarpenter 👍
“If you can find a relevant Line Length in Plan-view, you can Calculate and Cut a Rafter from it.”
Unlike U-2, I did find what I was looking for. Which of course was the shortening of the King at the ridge. I didn't find it in this vid, but I watched a few more of your vids and it is a standard practice with this type of Hip Truss system. Indeed the Geometry is correct. Good job.
The only thing I do different is I pre-fasten a stringline on the hips while still on the horses, pre-cut the jacks, lengths Calculated using Run dims taken from the plate layouts, and make it fit and straightened during assembly. Remove stringline once finished. Always comes out perfect too. It is necessary to install the shortest Jacks first as braces to plumb the seat, or additional blocking/bracing as needed. Very common for Hip seats and tails to be difficult.
Hi Richard🖐Thanks for your very courteous and long comment🤗Unfortunately, I must courteously disagree with your observations. The bend you see in the hip, (and any other non straight hios),is purely down to the poor quality timber and not being fully nailed up. My hip ends are set out geometrically perfect, and if you were to draw out the hip/common/end rafter center lines all my hip/common rafters would sit over them centrally. I understand that roof framing is set out and cut in a different way than it is here in the UK, but I am 100% confident that the way I set out and cut all my roofs, be it simple common rafters, hips or valleys is correct👍Kind regards Del
Another great job Del. I would be sitting down and having stern words with those truss suppliers. And i certainly wouldn't be holding back on their name if their quality in supply dosent improve on the next job, that in it self should be deterrent enough. No carpenter should have to go through that messing to fit a roof.
You could get a serious bout of timber toe from all that messing 🤣🤣 🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪. Keep on truckin. Gerry.
Hi Gerard🖐I won't be using them again,and I've told by builders not to either as they are the ones who end up paying to get tge issues sorted😵💫Appreciate you watching bud and thanks for your comment 😎 Cheers Del
@@thetallcarpenter Yeah its not worth it Del theres enough stress without that malarkey. Keep up the good work and have a good week
Cracking video Del, very well explained.
On the flying rafters do you pole plate them to give a little more support at the eaves?
Hi Mark🖐I don't put any additional plates or blocks in as they are not required on the drawing👍I've even double checked with the roof designer if additional plates/dragon ties are needed, but he says not🤔Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
Keep these up enjoy them
Loads 🤓
I'll try and keep the videos coming Steve🤞Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
This is the perfect example of why you should string line the main roof side as you did in the video. then cut off. But then dont fit your hip, fit your mono trusses. Then move your line over to the other side of where your hip would be mark and cut the monos. Then slide your hip in. No need for measuring and it helps with twisted hip material. You have a straight channel to manipulate the hip straight.
I looked and looked at trying to do it like this Clint, but I just couldn't line up the monos with the cut rafter tops as they clash😬Our local authority building inspector doest mine rafters not hitting the hip in the same place, but the NHBC guy won't have anything other than what it shows on the plan😵💫Am I missing a trick🤔Cheers Del
Thanks for all the great videos, I'm a cabinet maker so you are giving lots of useful advice for when I build my loft next year. I hope this is not a silly question but is there really any advantage to using trusses in this case? After taking into account the lead time and the variable quality of the trusses, you still have to cut the hips and jack rafters, trim/extend the rafter tails etc. Wouldn't it be better to hand cut the lot? It seems like sometimes trusses just get in the way of a good roof.
Hi Stephen🖐No question that trusses get in the way of a good, hand cut roof, but ultimately, trusses are quicker and cheaper than hand cutting😶and can get round designing very large roofs without the need for huge supporting timbers and large timber section rafters/joists etc👊Appreciate your comment and thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
@@thetallcarpenter Thanks for replying, cheers Steve
Hi Del hope your keeping well 👍 the offset hip do you think it should of been set out from the facework that way the fascia and soffit would line through and you wouldn't of needed to put a tail on those short trusses also the hips would line in with the brickwork? Just a thought🤔
Great video 👍😁
Hi Andrew🖐It's tricky to explain, but if the distance from the plate to the face work is different, but you still set the rafters out from the face work, the fascia would be MUCH wider on the more narrow end because the rafter has not travelled as far down the pitch as the wider walls🤯It's a given in the instance I have shown, that the only way for the fascias to be the same width, is for the soffit to be the extra width to make up for the wall thickness being less👍I don't know if I've made sense😬Thanks for your comment bud😎Cheers Del
Hi del. So because this offset hip is caused by the cavity’s being different size and not two different roof pitches does that make the compound cut on the jacks 45 degrees on each side still or are they different.??
Love watching your stuff mate. Would love to spend a day on the roof with you.
Hi Jase👊Yes, ALL the rafter jack cuts are the same against the hip👍The best way to describe what's going on here is simply to imagine that the whole roof has been slid forward on the plates, causing the front hip to not run in line with the front corner wall plate. I guess you could also describe it as a 'flying hip'😉 Hope that makes sense🤞Cheers
Could you have pulled main truss over 50mm to centralise to make hipster central and have narrower soffit on that elevation, just wondering anyway it still looks good
I could have done that Ron🤔but it would have then made the soffit too wide on the back which wouldn't have matched the rest of the job👍Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
Looking for inspiration for my job tomorrow full hip with front and back of house 37.5 degree and sides 45 degree. Wot a pain
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Sounds like a head scratcher Steve🤔One step at a time bud👍Cheers Del (send me some pictures on Instagram you fancy thetallcarpenteruk🤩)
Just a thought, I might be wrong, but could you not just let that wall plate extend past the distance that you need and pitch the hip as normal off the corner?
Nice job Del!
Why no cavity on the front wall?
Not only was it a pain for you to roof but surely there is a cold bridge and dampness issue without the cavity. It "only" being a garage shouldn't be an excuse.
Hi TT🖐The garage, literally, was just supposed to be single skin brickwork, but the builders decided to make the end and sides cavity work AFTER the lintol had been made to suit 9" piers🤔I guess if anyone wants to covert it to a living space, they would need to double skin the front wall make an insulation space👍Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
Working to the blockwork will give you a ridge that’s not in the centre a different rafter length front and rear .different tile spaces. a different fascia size and a different soffit width and off set corners ??
Hi there🖐Yes, the ridge is not cental between either the blockwork/plate or the face brickwork as the whole roof structure is 'offset'. Only the front, where the wall make up is 100mm less than the other two sides, the rafters will sit higher above the wall plate, and it will only be the soffit on the front that will be wider. If the roof was not made with trusses, I could have set the rafters so the front soffit matched the other sides, but the trusses were set to a certain span, which, if I'd have centralised them, would have lead to either, a different soffit or fascia size to the rest of the houses roof. 👍Thanks for your comment and for watching 😎 Cheers Del
Hi Del what a load of crap that you had to overcome with this trussed roof, sorry i don't them any more, hopefully you got paid well for what you had to overcome, cheers Bob Skinner
Hi Bob🖐I only work on an hourly rate, so I don't need to stress about getting paid, plus the builders are really cool, and have NEVER messed me about with money👊Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
Nooice!
Thanks for watching bud🤗🤗
Another brilliant roof job,it’s a shame the scaffolders don’t have the the same skill level as you with a great lack of kick boards around the scaffolding it could be an accident waiting to happen.
I hear you Barry😵Although it's a darn site better than many scaffolds I've been asked to work off😬Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
@@thetallcarpenter It makes me wonder who signs the scaffold register every week because that would not pass.
@@barrysmith5466 Nobody checks or signs anything Barry😬
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Thanks for watching Pete🤩Cheers Del
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Thanks for watching Paddy🤩
How did they deal with the fascia and soffit in those circumstances?
Hi Anthony🖐The main reason for offsetting the hip on the front is so the soffit and fascia width and depth can be matched to the main house roofs, the only exception to this will be the soffit depth above the front, single skin wall, where the soffit will be 200mm wider👍 (the width of the cavity and the outer brick skin😎Cheers Del
Hi Del, presumably if you had not offset the front hip, it would be lower down than the other trusses at the front? Are you moving onto the 1st fix inside now?
Hi Kevin🖐The main reason for offsetting the hip on the front is to maintain, not only the same fascia level and size, but also the same soffit width down the side and back as the rest of the roofs on the house👍I've already completed the studwork while I was waiting for the scaffold to be dropped so I could complete the final, lower wraparound roof section which I will be briefly showing in the next video👊I've also done another video, coming out soon, talking through the stair details and the bulkhead above, in readiness for the stair fitting video🤩Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
@@thetallcarpenter I thought the soffit at the front would have been 100mm wider than the side and back?
@@amazing451 It's actually 200mm wider on the front Kevin as so it has a larger overhang to put down lighters in and also kind of match the wider soffits on the other front and rear roofs👍(I'll be showing how it all comes together in a coming video👊).
@@thetallcarpenter OK Del that's a good idea, keep busy mate.👍👍
Great video. Why are the hips so narrow?
Hi Luke🖐These hips don't actually span that far, so don't need to be particularly big👍Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
@@thetallcarpenter cool thanks
Craftsmanship.
Thanks for watching Maria🤩Cheers Del
A bit of a head scratcher 🤔 Del. I get the offset hip. Why no cavity on the right side? So if the wall plates are parallel on inside skin , so the middle common truss is actually off centre of half the span of the wall plates. 🤔 am I making sense 🤔🤣
You are absolutely right Paul, the whole roof is not central to the front and rear wall plates and the central hip end common is not central between the wall plates but central between the hips👊Thanks for watching bud😎Cheers Del
Nice job! 😎 When I have two different wall thicknesses I normally find the centre between plates and set the trusses to that and then that way you have an even soffit all the way round and also the hips can pass through both corners of the plates. This may have been another option for you?
Would this not give u an uneven soffit size ?
Hi Matt🖐My brain hurts trying to invisage what you are suggesting, as I'm always keen to find different ways of doing something👍Thanks for your comment 😎 Cheers Del
Should work to the outside of brickwork not the internal block work
@@thetallcarpenter I know this video was a long time ago but if you was to centre the trusses to give an even soffit overhang each side, you could do this by offsetting the hip onto the front of the extension( the longest wall that stretches the length of the extension) and then that would reduce the overhang on the wall without the cavity but I can’t work out if that would affect the birds mouth being too big on the jack rafters in Order for it to line in. The hip on the opposite side would just sit on the corner of the plate.
@Sid Tomo Hi Sid🖐 The trusses have a set span, so if I centered them between the front and rear face work the main issue it would cause would be the with the soffit and/or fascia size, in that to match the soffit width with the main roof, the fascia would have to much wider, or to match the fascia with the main roof, the soffit would. I advised the builder, that it would look better with a wider soffit over the garage door which could have some down lighters, and sort of match the large soffit under the front porch canopy roof👍Obviously I was able to set the mono trusses on the hipped end wherever I wanted by just moving the last 'common' truss inwards. Thanks for your comment bud😎Cheers Del
Nice one Del, bet you're looking forward to having a break from doing hips
Keep an eye out for my next video Jim🤔.............you guessed it, 2 more hips🤣(the last 2 on this job though🤓) Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
I'd say his hips are looking forward to having a break from doing hips
@@MrThebigredone And my knees, and my arms, and my back😆Great comment🤩
@@thetallcarpenter I live in Germany and I spent the last 2 days fitting a new front door, in 35 degree heat...this game is for the youngsters I reckon
@@MrThebigredone I couldn't agree more bud😶
The only thing I don't understand is how do you get the right angle for top cuts on the hip because unlike a standard hip it's not a 45
Hi there🖐The offset hip is not to be confused with a bastard hip🤔and thier only similarity is that neither of them intersect where the 2 plates meet in the corner👍The 'offset' hip, simply describes a regular hip that DOESN'T run through the true corner of the internal skin it sits on. Basically, all I've done with this roof is 'shove' the whole thing forward so the fascias run round the same as well as the back and side soffits, leaving only the front soffit wider due to the front wall being 200mm wide, instead of 300mm😉Hope that makes sense😎Cheers Del
any tips on an dummy tiled parapet roof built on a squint wall
Hi Barry🖐I'm having trouble trying to invisage what you're trying to do😬
I've got a squint wall on a side elevation
, the front elevation is square to the existing house at 5mts , the rear wall is 2.5 mts , making the corners of the side wall unequal, i.e., not 90°
@barrysimmonds7151 Sounds bloody horrible Barry😶Can't offer any real advise bud, as its sounds like one of those jobs I'd have to make up as I went along😬Sorry I can't be of much help.
what happens with the line of the hip tiles, and fascia soffit detail in relation to the buildings corner?
Hi Hendrax 🖐You basically have to think about the roof, including the soffit and fascia as a completely separate entity to the brick and block work below in this instance. The hip on the back lines in with the rear brick work corner, but is offset by 100mm on the front corner leaving a wider soffit overhang at the front👍Cheers Del
@@thetallcarpenter Thanks for the response mate. Im doing a roof next week where the wall plate has had to be moved over the cavity, only by 30mm, so the hip wouldn't come through the corner. Don't know if it would be best to offset the hip back to the buildings corner or go through the corner of the plate as usual. from an aesthetic point of view.
I guess the splays wouldn't be 45 if i offset.
@@hendrax5889 Its a tricky one to call bud. For the sake of 30mm Id be tempted just to strike your hip to where the plates meet and maybe tickle your soffit and fascia size to minimise the difference🤔Cheers Del
How do you stay so jovial with material like that?? For the last 18months or so we've noticed a marked decrease in the quality of timber being supplied, and I fume about it for the whole job!
I like to think there's a different del off camera giving the supplier what's for....
I agree with you Pete😵💫and timber materials have taken nose dive quality wise😬I don't get upset about these things anymore, as there's nothing I can do about it. I often think about these guys out in India when they ate building things, and they would just use what they had and get on with the job👍Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
But your Gang Plate Joint on the Truss over the Lintel is not on a supported Wall Plate Del, the Brickwork needs to be built & the front Wall Plate fitted before the Truss?
Hi FB🖐This is something I have discussed with truss designers many times, and I always get the sane response that it is OK🤔 Like you, I would prefer to see the rafter/ceiling chord/nail plate more over the plate👍Thanks for your comment 😎 Cheers Del
Hi Del,
Well mate I know what you was doing but the whole of that video you might as well have been talking in Swahili because I didn’t understand any of that mate….I must admit I am not a roofer and I’m glad I’m not, ya very clever mate 👍👍👍
Hi Carl🖐I'm wondering if I could have made a better job of explaining it and should have done a little drawing to help, as what I've done is actually very simple, and all that's really happened is I've set the front hip out to a virtual corner instead of an actual one👍Thanks for your great comment as always bud😎Cheers Del
Timber is a nightmare, especially this time of year. Some of the stuff we've been getting lately has been atrocious. Bendy bananas are straighter.
You're not wrong there bud😵💫Obviously being left out in the sun for weeks on end doesn't help😬Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
You should be using bananas instead of timber, they're much straighter.
I know Eduard😵💫Thanks for watching bud 😎 Cheers Del
@@thetallcarpenter Cheers, keep up the good work.
@@eduardvaniersel7535 Will do👊
Wow that 4x2 would be good for one thing.................... a boat
Or a propeller Mike😆Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
It's funny that metric tape measures sound exactly like standard tape measures when you let the blade slap in.
Oh yeah bud, they're all pretty universal in that respect😆Thanks for your comment😎Cheers Del
I need to know why hip position is not installed in corner
Hi there🖐Because the walls are not the same width relative to the wall plate👍Cheers Del
I cannot bear these truss hips. Valley pretend trusses are just firewood. It's easier to just pitch it from plain timber.
You're quite right bud, and trusses serve a purpose but aren't particularly satisfying to work on😬Thanks for your comment and for watching 😎 Cheers Del
Making it look easy again Del . Cavity wall then 9 “ on the front was a bit weird 🤔🧱👍🏼
Hi Steve🖐 I'm not sure why it was 9" on the front, but I suspect it probably had something to do with tge cost of making a lintol for 300mm wall make up🤑Thanks for your comment bud😎Cheers Del
@@thetallcarpenter 😉🧱👍🏽