New roof taken off and COMPLETELY re-done ***BASTARD HIP SETTING OUT***
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- In this video I talk about a how I came to be completely re fitting a roof after the previous one was plagued with problem.
I also talk a little bit about I find the striking point for the hips on this irregular pitch hipped ended roof.
Well done mate, many would have run a mile after seeing that disaster. You've done those people a great service. I hope they appreciate what you done.
Hi there🖐Thanks for your comment, and the home owners were definitely happy to get it done👍Thanks for watching😎Cheers Del
Well done Del, they are lucky to have a honest carpenter with your skill set on site !!!! saved the day !! Great video
Hi Michael🖐It was actually a nice and interesting job to do for me, and it's just a shame for the customer that it had to be done twice😖Thanks for your comment, as always, and thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
Del take no shame in the fact that you’ve done your good deed and helped the customer out. Im sure you did your best the fact that you showed as much as you did tells me you did your best. 👍
Hi Mark🖐I was happy with how the job turned out once I got it all done👍Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
Well done Del ..... so many less conscientious guys would have walked away from what looked like a bodge up.... great job and one for the apprentice carpenter classroom 😊👍
Hi Derek👊I think that's what, pretty much, did happen😬I really enjoyed doing the job, weather aside, and am pleased the roof can now be covered in👊Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
This is a brilliant video. We all pride ourselves on turning out work we are proud of and it’s easy to bang photos or videos of it online when all things are equal. However a true test of our skills and capabilities are put to the test when you are faced with the reality of finite time, finite materials and finite monetary resources. If the clients penny’s are running out and times ticking, you need to accept your lot and crack on. All things considered you’ve made an outstanding job with the parameters in which you were given the job. It’s a credit to you that you took the job on in the first place! Well done.
Hi Dean🖐What an awesome and well articulated comment🤩Yep, sometimes we just gotta get the job done the best we can with what we've been given👊Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
Mate. You made it work that’s all that matters. The judgers aren’t genuine time served who have had to go behind that CHEAPER QUOTE or Sarah beenie clone. Kudos to you. I’m 30 years in and am never surprised. I’m mean really? Trusses on a little addition like that.?? Hand cut all day. That’s just me.
Hi Jay🖐I think trusses were used here as the span was 9m which would have needed some BIG timbers in there🤔One thing you can say about trusses is, they are cheap and fast👊Thanks for your comment and for watching 😎 Cheers Del
@@thetallcarpenter Cheap. Fast. Good. Pick two.......
Seriously, this just hurt my head. I have to wonder if anyone, at any point before they started turning big boards into little boards checked the walls for level, plumb, straight and square before the roof started going on. My roofing days are behind me but if it was my job I would have mocked up the ridge beam and and imaginary corners corners down at the plate level and used those as points of reference it to hook a few strings/tape measure to get a feel for what's really going on. And then a whole lot of custom-cutting. Not a big fan of trusses because you're always at the mercy of what comes off the truck.
That said, you really saved the day on this one. Sometimes doing something wrong points the way to doing it right.
I glad that you pointed out that the screw-up would eventually find it's way to the facia and soffits, the part that everybody sees. Well done, very well done.
@@curbmassa Hi there🖐In my early days as a carpenter, back in the mid 1980's, hand cutting roofs from big piles of timber was the norm, as was having the time on jobs to think about things and get the whole job set up right from the start👊Fast forward 36 years, and things are so very different😬 I really enjoy what I do, and the joy and satisfaction of the little bits of hand cut roofs I do, will not be taken away from me by the need to knock the work out as quickly as possible👊Thanks for your comment and for watching 😎 Cheers Del
Time served retired brickie here and couldn’t agree more with you if I ever had to do an extension for someone I always said cut a traditional roof especially if you’re cutting into an existing roof, the joiners used to argue amongst themselves as to whose turn it was to work on a house that we built because they knew if it was a peaked roof cut the guides and use them to be the templates because I insisted that we measured and squared the wall plates so it was easier for the joiners , same on a hip roof just parallel and make sure everything is level and square, building is simple it’s the cowboys who make it hard, wouldn’t be the first time I had to help out a young joiner who had difficulty setting a hip roof out , good vid never easy fixing someone else’s problems
@@johnmehaffey9953 You're from a different time John, and it feels like every man for himself nowadays😩Occasionally I get to work behind guys of your caliber, and I can tell you, its a real treat🤗Thanks for watching and your comment 😎 Cheers Del
Well a very nice explanation of a balls up and how to rectify other people's mistakes. These type of problems always make the job more expensive and take twice as long ! Great Video.
Hi Peter🖐Yes, it was unfortunate that the roof got off to a false start, and I'm sure things have been learned from it👊Thanks for watching and your comment 😎 Cheers Del
well done, in my experience when the trusses are wrong such as the girder its warning bell time. Excellent recovery job.
Whilst trusses are quick they are not always the answer , in my 'aged' opinion the industry should still include an element of traditional cut roofing in the training programme. Once again well done,
Hi Vic🖐It's clear to see the advantage of trusses in terms of speed and less material use, but as you hint, they are much more common due to the lack of tradition roofing carpenters😬Hope you are keeping well, and thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
I have just retired from 20 years teaching C&J in an FE college (28 years in industry before that). I agree that traditional cut roofs should be included in training programmes, we had all level 3 apprentices build a cut roof with hips, valleys and dormers, at level 2 it was not required unfortunately.
@@WilliamPightling Hi William🖐I'm my opinion the lack of many of the traditional skills on modern building sites is quite depressing. There is a multitude of reasons for this, many of which are complex and not easily remedied😬Sound's like you put some lads through that might have a chance of completing some traditional roofing👊Thanks for your comment and for watching 😎 Cheers Del
I found this video interesting - how you took a less than ideal situation and turned it into a successful outcome using your experience, patience and professionalism. Good work!
Thanks for your kind comment Andy🤗and for watching😎Cheers Del
Hats off to you del, that was definitely a head scratcher of a roof 🙌👏
I really enjoy that part of it Jim🤯and this is only the 2nd unequal pitched hip end that I've ever done, and the other must have been 25 years ago😬Thanks for watching😎Cheers Del
Top man Del, coming to their rescue like that. As others had said, many others would not have helped. We are in the middle of having renovations done. Already had a single garage with a flat roof converted to a hip roof and I will check their workmanship now based on your comments as I have a bigger job lined up for them if they pass! Especially if they have done half lap joints🤞 🙂 Your clients are lucky to have such a honest and genuinely skilled craftsman at their service. Keep up the great work.
Hi Neil🖐Don't judge your carpenters too harshly, as we are in short supply at the moment😖Communion is the key and as long as you speak to them and they speak you should be fine🤞Thanks for watching and your great comment 😎 Cheers Del
You done really well sorting that out, I would have loved to have seen how you done all of that, I have never done a bastard hip and it is something that has always intrigued me but also scares the hell out of me, like you said "unlearn what you have learnt". Really appreciate what you are doing to try and help people learn more.🙂
Hi Bradley🖐I really wanted to show how I set out the rafter positions to get equal soffit and fascia, as its not actually that difficult, but it just wasn't possible on the first day I was there😬Maybe, one day I will be able to do a video showing how I do it🤞Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
Have you got any vids on you setting out the bastard hip del?
I just subscribed to your channel, as a joiner with 30 years under my belt I’m still learning the trade 👍🏼 how many young joiners don’t have a clue about traditional roofing etc. many thanks 🙏🏻
Hi Matthew🖐The day I stop learning about carpentry, will be the day I stop being a carpenter😮There is always something to learn, and its always a great feeling when we get some new knowledge👊I appreciate you subscribing and thanks for your comment😎Cheers Del
I feel your pain Del and good on you for putting it right. Excellent product placement on 21 mins 😉👍
Hi JRS🖐It was satisfying to get it done, and see what you mean about Dan's square😆Thanks for watching bud 😎Cheers Del
Love watching your videos!
Real life situations and relatable content.
Not all jobs are fairytale perfect situations and you’ve done an awesome job with it 👏
Thanks for your kind comment Scott😎Its simply would not be real of me to only show all the jobs that go without a hitch, and certainly not reflective of the life of a real world carpenter here in the UK👍Thanks for watching🤩Cheers Del
You did the best that could be done del👏. Those wall plates on the corner with no half lap 😳. I had similar problem with mono trusses on low on the hip, what a pain, and nothing can be done, made wrong thats it 🙆. Trusses roofs 🙄, I prefer cut roof. Why the different pitch? Makes the hip problematic. Very well done del, not a nice job to go at after other people. 👏
Hi Paul🖐The hip pitch was 40 degrees and so matched the pitch of the original house roof so it looks right from the the front elevation👍The span of the main new roof was over 9 meters deep by 4.5 meters wide, so if it was an equal hip, the hipped ned would have only been 24 degrees, which would have looks really odd and needed MASSIVE long hips and looked odd from the front. If anything, it would have been easier to have a gable end, but again, this was not in the plans🙄Thanks for watching😎Cheers Del
Great job Del, I’ve had to but a couple of roof right recently, so I feel your pain. Love my ultimate R SQ
Hi Dale🖐I'm the same as you bud, and don't have to do it very often🤔Dan's square will come in on future videos👊Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
@@thetallcarpenter 🙌🏻
I had a job once where the owner had constructed the roof himself and the extension roof was a foot higher than the main roof... it surely creates all sorts of problems besides looking silly 😅😅! 13:08 "where´s my finger" pure gold 😀
Hi Martin🖐Great comment and I sometimes struggle to frame my shots in the camera viewfinder, and can end up waiving my my finger around on the air until I see it on the screen🤪Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
Very rewarding job Del I imagine. It’s always frustrating redoing other peoples work, but it’s the end game that’s important. 👊🏻
That's right Carter👊and it's in good shape now👍Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
Done an extension 2 foot higher roof than main house. Turned out fab
They look great with two little hips to tie them into the existing roof👊Done a few on new builds🤟Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
Not sure if I understood everything you were talking about in the video but being in the construction business back in the 70’s here in the states and building a project of 36 houses using trusses similar to these we never had issues like this. We could frame up the walls on a single story 2000sf home in 2 days and the following 2 days install the trusses and deck it with a crew of 6. This is a disaster and as a homeowner I would never accept this shoddy work. Also that roof should have been hand cut which would have eliminated a lot of these issues, of course I’m assuming things are also square and level. No judgement here on your work you were brought in to fix this mess. Good luck with it all.
Hi Preston🖐It's great to have you watching from the US, and I did a fair bit of construction work over there in the early 90's👊It was cool, as a young carpenter, to see the things we do the same and the things we do differently. The biggest difference is that most home over there are made of wood, and most over here are made of brick/masonry. I think our roofing techniques are broadly the same, differening only based on the type of roof covering👍Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
Pride in work makes for excellence in end results!!!
Hi Rodger🖐Thanks for you comment, and I agree that people should take pride in what ever they do🤩Cheers Del
Your a better man than me, I'd have had one look and said not for me thanks. Your roof will be by far the best thing on that job.
Hi O Bez🖐It can be a bit of a brain scrambler, as there everything you do with offset hips affects something else in a way that equal hips do not👍Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
Great job fixing it the best you can del the homeowners are in good hands now lots of builders won’t take on peoples mistakes 👍🏻
Hi John🖐I can completely understand builders not wanting to get involved, and fortunately for this customer, they new a builder who knew me and we got it sorted👊Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
Brilliant video. So hard to find a proper explanation on hiw to do a bastard hip. I've struggled for years. As you say. If you go to the corner. It will work. But you end up with unequal soffit. Or unequal fascias. I've used 3 sting lines in the past. But it's a nightmare. This is so straight forward. Thanks!!
Hi Mark🖐I think that once you understand that the roofs corner point is the external corner of the fascia, this helps shift your focus away from the external corner of where the 2 wall plates meet👍I'm hoping to be doing another, smaller one soon, and should be able to really show how simple it is to set out based on equal soffit and fascias🤞Thanks for your comment and for watching 😎 Cheers Del
Well done Del, certainly sorted that one out, looking forwards to more roofing Videos. Take care.
I've got a few roofs coming up Gary, so hopefully Ill get some good footage from them🤞Thanks for watching😎Cheers Del
This sadly this is a very common occurrence. Homeowners wanting to PM their own jobs to save money getting bent over by companies that simply exploit their lack of knowledge. I’ve reworked so many roofs, kitchens, doors etc in my 30 years. My advice for prospective homeowners looking to run their own jobs, simply don’t, hire a carpenter that can prove his or hers track record and let the chippy run it.
In my eyes the best part about carpenters is they touch pretty much everything on a job and therefore have a great understanding of all the steps required. This makes for solid PMs. Great save here Del.
A great comment MR🫡and running a job is not for the feint hearted🤔Thanks for watching bud 😎 Cheers Del
Always a nightmare putting someone else's work right, great job putting it right.
You know it MrR😬Pulled it round in the end though👊Thanks for watching and your comment 😎 Cheers Del
Great explanation of a simple problem that seems to baffle carpenters !!
Thanks Bill🤩Cheers Del
Thanks for explaining, only a real carpenter like you could problem solve that.
Cheers Remi🤩Thanks for your comment and for watching😎
Great work pulling that one back round🔨 and a good way to place the unequal hips👌
Hi Ty MTB🖐Thanks for your comment bud, and by the looks of your user name you ate a fellow mountain biker🤟Thanks for watching 😎Cheers Del
Great vid mate. One for the apprentices (and a lot of qualified chippies) to watch. You just dont get the time to explain it all in depth when out on site and the roofer is booked to follow on the next week. Heading back in on Tuesday to sort a mess the steelwork lads have given me. They have fitted the steel hips on the wrong side of the cleats welded to the ridge. U shaped steel with a 225 x 50 timber bolted up each side. grr, I have pre cut all my jacks, told them they had it in the wrong place, then backed down thinking I had messed up the maths. Should have stuck to my guns, the maths never lies!
Hi Jim🖐I really feel your pain there bud😬Working in with steels is always fun😖and it's another set of hands the structure has got to go through to get it right👊Wouldn't love to see some pictures of it🤞Send them to thetallcarpenteruk if you can💪(no worries if you don't want to🤗) Thanks for your comment 😎 Cheers Del
I think it’s funny how disgusted u were at those wall plates🤣 good on ya for sorting that mess, most blokes wouldn’t of bothered with the hassle and not even been interested in the job. Top 🍌
Hi Alex🖐Yeah, I would have loved to have had tge plates off and re do them, but tge customer just needed me to crack on👊Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
They say .. you can’t polish a turd ..
but you just rolled it in glitter ✨ ..
Great 👍🏼 job del ..
hard work but job satisfaction guaranteed.
Great comment Paul😆and yes, there was still satisfaction to be had from this one👊Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
The trussfink rafter span is too wide for the outer support wall span, corbble the upper four courses of brickwork to reset the wall plates ! The shallow birdsmouth's on the rafters is the give away to your problem's All the best, measure twice, cut once. :)
Hi there🖐The ceiling chords to underside of rafter chords was EXACTLY the same measurement as the outside to outside of wall plate, and the rafter chords were 95mm wide. The loose jack rafters were 125mm wide, hence the birdsmouths being on the small side. This is no problem as they are gang fixed to the ceiling joists which extend almost all the way out to the top of the rafter. I didn't see any problems caused by this👍Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
Good stuff , anyone who does a lot of truss roofs knows trusses are often terrable ,, its frustrating when people assume they are perfect, often have to just do the best you can with them ,, many times i knew i could have done a better job faster just cutting them in
Hi there🖐You are quite right about the standard of trusses, and it's only the well made ones that you remember, as generally, they are pretty poor😬Thanks for your comment 😎 Cheers Del
well done Del ,can see that was a hard day ,all different planes to think about etc. great work as per
Cheers Tomo🤩All the hips are cut in now, and the roof is really looking good👍More videos to come😎Thanks for watching
Top man ...envious would love to have a bash at roofing my works always been internal stuff ....great videos 👍
Hi Karl🖐I did go though a looooong phase of only doing internal, finishing work, and don't reckon I went on a roof more than a couple of times in 5/6 years, so I know how you can end up doing only a certain type of work🤔Thanks for your comment and for watching 😎 Cheers Del
great video everything you said makes perfect sense 3 mil off makes a huge difference on the other end , and its not the end of the world 😂 something site manager would say
Hi there🖐You're quite right🤩and thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
Making the best of a bad job but they have the right man on the job now. That is trusses for you they create their own problems. It doesn't look like the science of truss manufacturing has improved in the UK in the last 25 years since I left. As we discussed in Oz there are no hip rafters to pitch so you can't make that sort of mistake. The hips are all done with reducer trusses. These create a pocket for a small supported hip rafter to sit in that is supplied pre cut. Add pre cut rafter tails etc and hip pitched. The intersection with the old roof same deal. Reducing valley trusses that climb up the roof. Simply align with the plain of the commons. Add valley boards and done. No pitching required. I much prefer doing cut and pitch but if they are going to use trusses really the manufacturers should go the whole way and not just supply half the roof and a box of bits. In Oz I used to operate one of the computer programs that design truss roofs. Enter the building details and it could spit out several ways of construction just like that. Pick the one you want. Send it to the computer saws and in no time the various sawyers have a roof kit for assembly. Jig set and made is a very quick process. Add the ancillaries and everything you need to build that roof is supplied as a big kit with pictures and measurements. Come on UK.
Hi Dave🖐The info you share in your comments is pure gold mate, and reading them just makes me want to fit one of your roofs and see the manufacturing process🤩Thanks for taking the time to write them and add them in👊Cheers Del
Really enjoying watching this video, Thanks Del for the great content 👌
Hi there Momeza🖐Graat to have you on board bud🤗Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
This video is interesting for the differences in building terminology and physical construction in other countries. "Taking the roof off" here implies the building had a complete roof--meaning fully shingled and all the shingles and plywood were removed---a huge job. Here it seems "the roof" means the framing only. The use of millimeters is very confusing. Why?
Hi Robert🖐Yeah, it's cool to hear how people from other countries describe, essentially, the same thing👊I guess we would say a roof is being stripped off and re roofed when talking about the covering(tiles, membrane, battens) And would say the roof is being taken off when talking about completely removing the timber structure👍I'm sure either description of any of these works would still be followed by additional questions for absolute clarity😉Having been trained in feet and inches, I find working in metric much more straight forward. 😀 Thanks for watching and your comment 😎 Cheers Del
As always it would be the chippie that gets the blame but it generally the trusses. Well done 👍🏻
I've fitted some shockingly made trusses over the years Jon😲and like you say, it's the chippy that gets the blame😬Cheers Del
Homeowners; "nothing to it". Truss company; "nothing to it". Experienced carpenter: "what a mess".
Hi Randy🖐To be honest, these kind of things can happen to the most experienced builders 😬Thanks for your comment and for watching😎Cheers Del
Good for you for taking on this job, never fun to fix someones F*%# up.
It turned out great once it was all covered in Stuart🤩Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
You have really pulled that job back from the brink there Buddy, you have worked wonders with what you were left with obviously 🤘😎🤘👍🤓👍
Hi Wayne🖐 I felt for the young couple who's job it is, as they weren't served as well as they should have been by people who are meant to be professionals😬Thanks for your comment and for watching 😎 Cheers Del
Excellent insights.
Cheers Stephen👍Thanks for watching and your comment 😎
Del you have worked wonders
Hi Robert🖐Sort of bud👊but it is my job I guess🤩Thanks for your comment and for watching 😎 Cheers Del
Cracking vid as always DelBoy as a Diy’er you vids are always explained in detail and i do get what your trying to explain. The guys that do it day in day out will have known what you are doing straight away. If only there was more trades people out there like yourself then construction wouldn’t have Such a stigma hanging around its neck like it sometimes as. Well done for turning a sh*t job into a decent job and I’m sure the customer would had have wished that you was involved from the start. Every cloud eh Del. By the way how you getting on with Daniels roofing Square. And what would you give it out of 10? Take care big man all the best Diesel
Hi Diesel🖐Yeah, there's is no doubt that the UK construction sector has been struggling with an image problem for many years, and its something I am trying to help with by showing my work👊I haven't used Dans square in anger yet, but I know it will be good👍Thanks for your comment and for watching😎Cheers Del
Should have called me, there's two different ways to to put the new roof on when the new roof is taller than the old I have ran into this several times, my dad started framing in 1946 and I started working with him in 1976 .
One way is to let the new ridge run past the old and make a dormer on the other side, that is more work I get it. The other way is to let the new ridge run wild and on the same plan as say the front of the roof so from the front of the house the ridge from the right side going to the left jogs back to meet at the top, creates a diamond shape
Hi Patrick🖐What you're saying makes sense, and I have dropped a new ridge height down to the existing using tiny hips, but the issue on this job was that planning permission was granted based on the new ridge being lower than the existing, and the customer just didn't want to risk continuing with the new roof at the wrong height😬Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
Nice problemsolving, own that with pride.
Hi there🖐Thanks for your comment and for watching😎Cheers Del
place a string line across the ridge to the original roof. then rip off the roofing that's below the line. then measure the valley to the valley at bottom. them add a ridge from CTR to ctr ridge. then cut at needed for the jacks. and common cuts to the top.
Check out my latest video where I show me doing this in time-lapse😎Cheers Del
I am your 1k liker 👍….. love your Chanel 😉
Hi Imelda🖐Thanks so much for hitting the like button, and it's cool that you are 1000th as it's a channel first🤩Cheers Del
At least the people got someone who was capable of improving the situation
Hi Keith🖐Fortunately, the customer knew someone who new someone😉Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
Top man pulled it around 👍👍
It's a cracking job John👊and can be covered in now👍Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
I can hear the disapointment in the tone of your voice Del, thats because you very clearly take pride in your work. Great video however, it highlights that not every job is the perfect scenario.
Hi Chris🖐It would not be honest of me to cherry pick only the best jobs to feature on my channel, as this is just not reflective of the kind of work carpenters do here in the UK do👊Appreciate your comment and thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
Best Way to do these types of roofs is to Run your ceiling joist out and your Out rigger joist ( the short ones that change Direction first all in the same distance for your soffit . Then cut them run your facia then Do your roof framing with a long cut on the bottom of the rafter setting on top of your ceiling joist. Can’t go wrong . If you want to drop below your plate just just make your faci and soft ladder nailed against the house first then run your rafters.
That's a great way Richard, and what you are suggesting physically gives you both the top and bottom striking points for the hip👍Obviously still need to make sure the rafters are at the correct pitch when setting out initially, but once thats done, you can't go wrong👊Thanks for your comment and for watching 😎 Cheers Del
Sitting here in my recliner, it appears the girder is either made incorrectly or it is in the wrong place in the scheme of the roof system. It was an easy fix, basic geometry to determine the correct position of the girder, and or the correct height of the top chord on the girder.
Hi Mark🖐I see it quite a bit with these trussed roofs when the girders are built in a jig that has been re-set from the common trusses resulting in different pitched rafter chords🤔Not ideal, but can be got round nevertheless👍Thanks for watching and your comment 😎 Cheers Del
Really interesting video 👍🏼
Thanks for watching Bella😎Cheers Del
Thank you you’ve help me out there👍
That's awesome Gordon👊Thanks for your comment😎Cheers Del
Here in America, we space Rafters and joists evenly at 16 inches on Center or 24 inch on Center. Where you are, do you guys not do that? I can see on that steep pitch on the end that those Rafters are Spaced erratically.
Hi Chad🖐We are the same here in the UK, and trusses are spaced at 600mm centres(24"), and hand cut is generally set at 400mm centres(16") There's a few things, on a roof like this, where the spacings cannot be altered due to how the designer set out the roof. The first is the double girder truss which is dictated by the vertical element of the mono truss and the point it strikes, at the ridge, with the last main common truss. The other is on the hip end. The outer mono trusses are positioned where the hip intersects, with the outer face of the girder truss at 90 degrees which cant be altered. The end result was that the end common mono was in the centre, the next ones outside that were set at 600mm and the last two, as mentioned above, came where they came, giving an odd spacing. (well under 600mm). The hand cut jacks were then set out back from the centre mono, (the true centre of the roof), at 600mm centres so they worked in symmetrically out to the bottom of the hips👍 I agree with you that they looked all over the place though, and if I'd have tried to more evenly space the monos I could have moved, (the ones each side of the centre mono, then it would have worked even worse for the plasterboard on the ceiling) Thanks for your comment and for watching😎Cheers Del
Always keep the bog roll near you at all times under the wall plate @ 25 mins in 😂👍🏻
Always have a bog roll on the van Eddie, as you never know💩It was actually up there as I had a really runny nose, and its not pleasurable to hear someone constantly sniffing through a video😮Thanks for watching😎Cheers Del
If a factory truss rafter is short and a developer has placed timber pieces on either side of the truss instead of using a scarf joint to extend, is there a minimum length for the new sections to be fixed either side of the original truss? Is it a minimum of three times the missing section so that it spans the original truss rafter adequately or should a scarf joint always be used? Is there any guidance you can direct me to read further?
Hi there🖐I have extended rafters using ply fixed each side, but I cant remember how much further past the joint each side I hade to take it🤔 600mm each side would be plenty I should imagine👍
The thing I get confused about bastard hips is how do you get the angle for the top of the hip because it's not a 45
Hi there🖐Yes, youre right, and the you need to find this angle by pulling a line from the where the end common intersects with the last full common truss, (this is at wall plate/ceiling level), out to where the hip strikes at the 'corner'👍Once you have this angle, you can set your saw over to it, and this will give you the right hip compound cut angle👊Cheers Del
@@thetallcarpenter oh okay so the string line will show the angle for the top cut of the hip, at the wall plate running through, then get an angle finder to find the angle and put that on the saw if that makes sense
@@violetsherwood6494 That's absolutely spot on bud👊just like it would be 45° at plate level if it was an equal pitched hip👍(and these would, obviously, be the same angles for the jack cuts😉)
can i ask why you didn't move the first truss back to get equal pitch
Hi Dian🖐The trusses were designed to have different pitches so the hip end pitch matched that of the main house to look right from the front evevation👍Cheers Del
Why do top plates need to be half lapped?
Hi Sandy🖐Its just good practice and binds the plates together, also the Building Control officers like to see them👊Thanks for watching😎Cheers Del
It seems weird to me metrics in carpentry, I'm a pipefitter, I get the metrics for working on cars, so what do you call a 2x4?,, cause it's not actually 2x4
Hi Paul🖐It's one of those general terms I guess that has stuck from when we worked in imperial and timber really was 4"x2"🤔It's actually sold as 97mmx47mm but that's a bit of a mouthfuls when people know that 4x2 is the same thing. It's not called 3.5"x1.5" in US as that is a CLS👍Cheers Del
Is the location of the other side of the hip (plan view) pushed to the outside of wall plate at the squared line (210mm) at 12:35. Also is the height above plate from which you referenced determined by the highest plane of any given two? Thanks.
Hi Fatal🖐 That's a great comment, and I should have made more detail of how I intersected the hip along that 210mm line that was set back from the plate of the main, lower pitched roof. The height above plate is determined from the steeper of the two pitches, as these rafters need to extend further out to align the fascia and soffit line. The height above plate increases the more this roof is pushed out horizontally to align the the rafter feet as mentioned above. It would be tempting to build up the plate level along the end of the steeper pitched roof, so that the rafters can be birdsmouthed, but this then causes extra work with getting the ceiling joists to line up and tie the end of the rafter. You'll see in the video, that I just kept the rafters up, (to a string line), and gang nailed them into the side of the ceiling joist which, almost, right out to the pitch of the rafter. This is super strong, and if was much higher above the plate, I would have cut some blocks under the rafters down onto the plate for extra bearing👍As I said in the video, I was hoping to go into so much more detail on this, but it just wasn't possible on the day, so I explained the best I could once I'd broken the back of it👊Thanks for watching and your comment😎Cheers Del
@@thetallcarpenter Thanks for the response and thanks for all the informative video's you make, it really helps me learn while not on the job!
@@N1rOx My pleasure🤩
why does an additonal roofline have to fall lower than the original? Seems like more an aesthetic preference than a need.
Hi Earl🖐Our planners have always been obsessed with extensions being slightly smaller than the existing house so they look like an add on😐Sometimes it just doesn't make sense 🙃 Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
@@thetallcarpenter Elevations I can understand to a point when it comes to view obstructions for other closely neighboring homes, plane flight paths etc...arbritrary rules the come up in coding though is just nonsense and always will be...but they have to set limits at some point or people will just go off the chart otherwise so much so that you can't not have the rules...I.E. house colorings, signage and so forth are more obvious reasons.
@@13612 The planners in this country, are, on the whole, useless. Typical civil servants who make necessary changes to perfectly good plans, just to justify their existence. For one off and small building projects and home extensions, they have no idea how their decisions and slow actions affect small builders and contracting tradesmen😩Rant over👊
@@thetallcarpenter Same here in the states...too many hands in the pot and it goes way further than that when you start talking about taxing what you have built...make it look decent and you get penalized forever.
@@13612 Same here. Make your house bigger, and then they increase the tax you have to pay to live in it🤬
What type of timber is the truss ? . south african trusses are made from South african Pine ( SA Pine )
Hi there🖐I'm sure that most of the softwood we import here in the UK is Scots Pine from Sweden👍Cheers Del
Never would though of extending the rafter that way, pretty cool. Nice work, glad you were able to help these folks out ~
Hi Daniel🖐I'm sure there's a ton of different ways to get this kind of thing done, and it all depends how the individuals brain is wired😁Thanks for your comment😎Cheers Del
@@thetallcarpenter agreed, thanks for the video, enjoy your day !
@@danielgeng2306 Have a good weekend yourself Daniel🤩
Nice one. It's good to help folks. If you had been on that job from the start would you have constructed the roof rather than used trusses?
Hi Paul🖐I would still have used trusses purely because of the 9m span👊There would of had to have been steels and large timber sections to do it hand cut which would have taken twice as long and double in material costs😵I know a lot of roofing purists hat trusses, but they are very good at taming large spans and big roofs👍Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
@@thetallcarpenter fair enough.
ive never had truss roof correct always have to alter stuff
Same here Liam😬Cheers Del
Great information 👍🏻👍🏻
Thanks for watching Conner🤩Cheers Del
Excellent job mate 👍
Hi Tyler🤩Hope you well mate😎Cheers Del
@@thetallcarpenter yes, all good here bud. How are you?
@@TYLERCONSTRUCTION Good this end bud👍
That made my brain hurt
Hi Roger/Dylan🖐Bits of it made my eyes hurt😵Thanks for your comment 😎 Cheers Del
You managed to polish a turd there, well done sir.
Cheers from oz....
G'day Wayne🖐Great to have watching from down under mate🤩Yeah, this roof was certainly heading in the wrong direction to start with😬Thanks for your comment 😎 Cheers Del
@@thetallcarpenter I've been swinging a hammer for 45 years and would have walked away from that one....I've gone all soft and picky in my old age ;~)
@@waynegill6198 I think if the customer had rung my direct, I would have turned it down, but it was a builder mate of mine they asked for help, and he then asked me👍It wasn't a bad job to do, it was just a shame a few things weren't quite how I would have liked them to be🤔Fair play to you for getting 45 years under you belt mate, you must be knackered🥱Cheers Del
@@thetallcarpenter knackered is a good word....that fits ;~)
Every true craftsman carpenter should design, calculate and produce his pieces without going to truss manufacturers that sell crap badly assembled.
In an ideal world Ivan, this would be awesome🤗Alas, time and money dictate different things😬Thanks for your comment😎Cheers Del
that's fine. tie it in.
Check out my other video where I show me connecting it to the existing roof👊(don't forget to hit that like button🤩) Cheers Del
Definitely name a company that provides a subpar product, they make everyone's life harder!
Trouble is bud, most manufacturers are the same nowadays😵💫Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
Building control can be a bunch thick clowns sometimes!!
Ain't that the truth SF😬Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers
Congrats...got the customer out of the sh£t...just shocking that how many of these companies get away with this sort of shoddy work and really don't care as long as they are paid..
Hi Arthur🖐I was particularly disappointed/annoyed with the truss supplier as they didn't take enough care when doing the survey🤬and the guys that put the first roof on have just washed their hands of the job and gone radio silent😬Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
Cant really hear what you are saying as my hearing is not very good but had one of these a few years back. Always take differences of rafter depths into consideration when setting out trussed hip roofs👍, dont just over hang them equally!
Hi Mark🖐I'm always working to the top of the roof line, so any difference in rafter size just ends up in a larger or smaller seat cut at the bottom of the rafter foot👍Cheers Del
@@thetallcarpenter Exactly, but it looks like the guy that did that didn't! (Didn't watch much of the video as couldn't hear!)
@@mastercarpenterltd I get you Mark👍I didn't see the first attempt, but there was no it could have been right, as 6x2 end rafters had been birdsmouthed over the plate, and underside of 97x35 top rafter chords just cleared the outside, top edge of the plate😬 With a 24° pitch on one side and 38° pitch on the other, the soffit and fascia would have been crazy different 😜 Cheers Del
Scaffolding looks suspect 😂
Hi there🖐This was the Rolls Royce of scaffolding compared to some I get to work on🤩Thanks for watching😎Cheers Del
Yeah 👍 those situations ,/ bastards. Are speed bumps .
They sure are bud😵💫Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
I’ve just noticed you’re in my local area are you based in Cambridgeshire?
Hi Chippy🖐I'm not far from St.Ives👍Cheers Del
@@thetallcarpenter have you got a website for inquiries?
@@chippy977 I haven't mate, and only really work for a handful of customers👍
use your speed square tools. it best.
Hi Rusty🖐I'm not a huge fan of the speed square😬Cheers Del
Hard work following up after someone else Del😫 fairplay to you mate 👍what was the reason for the bastard hip?
Hi Andrew🖐A bastard hip is just another name for an unequal hip, and is necessary when the pitches are different in the same way that a bastard mitre is used when joining different width materials👍Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
@@thetallcarpenter I think the question was "Why did the customer want (or need) different pitches on this extension roof?"
@@thetallcarpenter Hi Del yes i meant what was the need for it on this extension? Just seems unnecessary and adding issues to the job🤔 thanks mate 👍
@@andrewplatt I get you mate. I think it was hipped to soften the end of the roof and not block out too much light for the neighbour👊
@@tlangdon12 Yeah, I see now🤩
Would have been way easier to design it as a regular hip roof lol
It would have Quinn, but the hip end matched the pitch of the existing house roof, so it looked right from the front elevation, and because the new extension was deeper than it was wide, if the pitch of this part was matched with the existing, the ridge height would have been higher than the existing roof which was not permitted😬Thanks for watching 😎Cheers Del
They'd split the 2x4 if you didn't pre drill
The screws have a self drilling point, but they tend to wander if not pre drilled👊Cheers Del
I built a 3000 ft. split level two story house back in 1984 that had 26 hips and valleys with only 12 common rafters in the whole roof. I had a hard time finding any roofers that wanted to tackle it. They would drive up take one look and drive away. It was a complicated roof with different pitches but I love a challenge. Cutting in the roof was always my favorite part of house framing. Loved it! I had to retire in 2006 because of my health but I sure miss framing houses. Too old and fat now.😂🤣
I'm green with envy just reading your comment about that beast of a roof🤩Don't get me wrong, I am not a master roofer by a long shot, but, like you say, what a challenge, and the satisfaction of completing it must have been immense👊Thanks for watching and your great comment 😎 Cheers Del
I tell what dude anyone judging your work there could only come to one conclusion, top effort and two thumbs up. It's really hard turning up on a job and pulling it out of the fire. I think the true test of any trades people is how they deal with things when it isn't going to plan.
Hi Tomo🖐I appreciate your comment bud, and I know I'm a little hard on myself and probably aim a little too high with my standard's sometimes, but it's better than not caring and just becoming rougher and rougher😬Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
This video is gold for everyone from home owners looking to have work done to generational trained carpenters. We can all learn from this! Thanks Del. 👍🏻
That's a very kind comment Ashley🖐and we all never stop learning👍Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
Definitely worth showing what problems there can be if not done correctly. Well done Del
Thanks for you comment Kevin🤗and I appreciate you watching 😎Cheers Del
So there are folks that want to play constructor and designer on their project to save money. I walk away from those projects because I am not prepared to subsidize their lack of knowledge or waste time and money educating them. They either have the money to do the project correctly or they do not.
Hi Gregory🖐Whether I'm working for an experienced or inexperienced house renovator or a professional builder who makes profits off the back of what I do, they all get the benefit of all the experience I have built up over the past 36 years, and in return, I expect them to pay me handsomely for it😉 My rates are not subsidizing anyone. If they were to employ a building firm, the extra money they would have to pay, would not find its way into my pocket, it would just become the builders profit👍(and rightly so as the builder would/should ensure that the jobs goes smoothly) Thanks for watching😎Cheers Del
Ive literally just walked away from one of these...
@@mastercarpenterltd Hi Mark🖐I feel you bud, and its not something I'd normally get involved in either🤔Thanks for watching😎Cheers Del
@@thetallcarpenter Are you willing to disclose your rates?
I'm charge £250 in the East Midlands (2022), 30 years experience.
Great vid Dell as usual.
Building officers are killing the building game mate, they are a waste of space often turning a blind eye to cowboy builders. I would sack the lot of them lol..
Hi David🖐Over the last few years I have heard more and more stories of building inspectors passing some shocking work😬It's not great to be honest🤔Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
Awesome video, I always learn loads from your videos I'm a carpenter in training and would love to work with you I'm sure I would learn so much 😁👍nice one del
Hi Jimmy🖐It's great that my videos are useful to you, as its the main reason I film my work👍All the best bud and keep at it🤩Cheers Del
It's nice to see a real life job where everything isn't perfect.
Sometimes you just have to just have an extra head scratch and find a solution that isn't in the ready reckoner or on some app.
Had to recently cut 2 double 9x2 valley rafters into an existing roof with a 75mm sag in the middle.
All good fun lol
Enjoying your videos 👍
Hi Shaun🖐Reading about your valley rafter makes me think remember that sometimes you have to let your eye be your guide, and throw away the reckoner and the level😲Great comment and thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
Fuck trusses. I hate them.
Matchstick crap.
I've worked on proper cut roofs that are over 200 years old and they're still solid as fuck.
I can't imagine many trussed roofs will survive anywhere near that long.
After ww2, the social engineers decided that most building materials need only to be designed to last around 15 years.
The idea being it would keep the economy going.
But it's sad.
I guess it keeps us builders in business, but knowing what you build won't last forever gets to me.
More great points there Kallum🤔and, unfortunately, we no longer live in a time where building was done with great pride at a pace that enabled the job to be done right😬I can sense your frustration mate😖Cheers Del
Fair play for showing the REALITY of our trade sometimes. Far to many dreadful manufacturer's selling crap and Far to many "have a go Harry's" who call themselves tradesman🙄. Pat on the back for helping the customer get back on track 👍
Hi Ashley🖐Its the reality of the game unfortunately, and it seems like things are getting worse, not better😬It was nice to get this job back on track for the homeowners👊Thanks for watching😎Cheers Del