Un-fare way of riding the subway
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- Опубликовано: 17 ноя 2017
- Fare evasion appears to be an issue at the north entrance of Sheppard West Station with gate-hoppers sneaking through open doors, forcing their way through and in some cases preventing the gates from closing.
wait a sec? The guy jumping the fence was holding a no trespassing sign?!?
wl03bu I saw that too. Hilarious
wl03bu the most satrical way possible
wl03bu the irony
Good call, but I think you got it backwards. The sign was likely there or nearby and he picked it up before jumping. So both holding the no trespassing sign and trespassing itself are not contradictory actions.
Where did you guys' brain go? That guy probably works there so that's why he was carrying the "no trespassing" sign.
20 million lost
Such a easy fix but hire security guards to be present at all stations. All ttc wants to do is make cuts.
Montréal (STM) adult metropass: 88$
Toronto (TTC) adult metropass: 156$
I understand the 20 million $ loss on fare evasion as an affect on that but lower the cost and maybe there’ll be less fare evasions.
Montreal (STM) system had proper urban planning. Toronto is decades behind.
Also don't forget, $156 comes with delays, poor customer service, bad communication and an endless list of issues. Why woukd anyone pay for something this bad.
0:27 the irony or him trespassing while holding a "No Trespassing" sign 😂😂😂
The real fare evasion occurs in the suburbs where adults are using presto cards programmed by students/seniors they know or a post secondary metropass (discounted) to hop on buses where there are no fare inspectors.
How about downtown when you can tap the presto as soon as you see a fare inspector
Why not just build more turnstiles and make them go from floor to ceiling?
That is not at all cost efficient and won't solve the problem of people flooding through the gates to exploit the censors.
And yes the city needs to keep tunneling under the city! And If we build more subways more people will come to Toronto! So we can tunnel under the city MORE! What could go wrong!
Some one can underbar that, lol.
QuarioQuario54321 because then people just go through the emergency door
Because the old style turn styles are not accessible to people that use walkers or other mobility devices.
For a city that charges a lot in rent they should bring the fare down
Lol gate hopping costs the company half a million dollars a DAY. If those broke people paid their dues, they would have lowered the fare prices
Is this guy serious? Omg I'd rather see someone jumping over than
being stuck not knowing how to get home
They can get picked up by their parents, or walk.
Not everyone has parents you privileged ignorant idiot
Um.... no lailah.
bart, your response is ignorant.
@@stevecraig6076 he's right.
Most notobly the risk of fare evasion is going to be a bigger concern now that the TTC is demolishing the floor-to-ceiling revolving turnstiles at all the remaining automatic/secondary entrances (which are not overseen directly by the fare collector) and is replacing them with the newer and shorter waist-high glass-paddle fare gate design (like the one seen here at the Sheppard West station), which will be at all TTC subway stations and entrances by mid-2018 (regardless if they are supervised or not) as part of the rollout of the PRESTO card system.
Citynews did a video earlier I think in the spring where people were showing how to open those fare gates by extending their umbrella. And many of these places do not have security cameras or personnel so people feel comfortable tricking the gate into giving them free admission. Presto is one of the best displays where the adaptation of technology is going to cost the system money going forward it isn't just front loaded cost overruns on implementation.
Because teens have a monthly income like grown men?
Lol
am I only one who finds it ironic that when the guy jumping over the fence, has a no trespassing sign?
tbh the only time I jumped the fare is when I honestly had no cash until pay/forgot my wallet, sometimes these things happen
Mind your own beeswax buddy.
As everyone who rides the system undoubtedly knows, the TTC is reinstalling the gates altogether to pave way for widespread PRESTO use, they are removing/demolishing the turnstiles at main entrances and the big floor-to-ceiling revolving turnstiles at the automated entrances (the ones that are not directly overseen by the TTC fare collector) and replacing them with the new glass paddle door fare gates design (like the one seen here at the Sheppard West station), which will be in place in all TTC subway station entrances in 2018.
Presto is the liberals 4th biggest scandal behind ehealth, ornge and gas plants. They claimed it would be a regional integrated fare system but the costs are greatly outweighing the rewards. The tokens and cash system was fine. All they should have done was introduce some type of reader technology that lets you pay with debit/credit cards to ride the bus as well as authenticate chips in-bedded in metropasses going forward. The ttc keeps claiming ridership is declining but I have been taking the ttc for more than 20 years to work and for leisure activities downtown and I can tell you the ridership has greatly increased. The TTC is reporting lower ridership due to massive fare evasion. And I think they only report the adult ridership figures - not seniors and students whose presto cards and metropasses are being abused by adults. Add to this kids also ride for free.
That’s so me when I don’t have Presto. I still stick with tokens until they are phased out :p.
the flat rate fee is kind of annoying. why should someone going 1 stop pay the same as someone travelling across the city?
This comment caught my attention
Gate hopper with no trespassing sign? Priceless!
I have a great idea, lower the fares. With the cost of living thru the roof many people can't afford to use the TTC anymore...
So sick of the TTC crying "who is riding free" . their service is terrible . they should have 3 days a month where they give sandwiches and free service due to their delays and expensive service
maybe if they had more money oh yeah!!!! where to get that??? hmmm.... some can from people who should pay their way and don't
Wage cut is the answer, no way bus driving; a low skilled job should pay people $25/hour. Dental hygienist, practical nurses, and security guards, pharmacy technicians, accountants, get paid less than that.
The system was just fine before presto. There's always going to be fare evasion and gate hoopers. But since Presto it's gotten out of control.
Btw if you just ask the driver or collector and be polite, 99 percent of these guys will usually let you on especially if it's winter or late or whatever. Just ask. Don't destroy the already constantly malfunction and overpriced Presto gates the TTC felt the need to buy and install at ever single station.
Maybe if the fare is cut half more ppl can afford to pay for the “fair” price
While watching this video, I notice that people use these Metro Cards from Toronto Transit Comission to enter through this security scan thing before they are about to ride a subway train. I want to know, does TTC metro cards relate to using metro cards with the MTA in New York?
Its presto
You tap on the bus
Streetcar
Or entering a station while walking
Once you tap the first time
You get a 2 hour transfer where you can ride for free before needing to pay again
It was obviously designed that way by the TTC...the whole new TTC GATE SYSTEM was designed that way to so that would have to keep the TTC UNION EMPLOYEES employed to watch the gates.
Oh, yes OBVIOUSLY... *facepalm*
In the Dominican Republic you pay 25 pesos little crowded but so is the nasty TTC and you get from a to b plus with no issues (25 pesos ; few cents canadian)
- As someone who have lived and worked around the world (London, Sydney, Singapore, NYC to name a few), I can tell you Toronto has the MOST AFFORDABLE public transit prices and the WORSE fare evasion I have ever seen!!!
- What I do NOT understand is why the TTC makes it SO EASY to evade fares, even turning a blind eye to this shameful public behaviour! At least subway stations have gates, fare evasion on streetcars is rampant and publicly tolerated!
It is the lowest subsidized transit system in North America at about $1/ride. All the systems you mentioned may have higher fares but they also are much better networks that draw much more riders. And European systems particularly are very clean without the class bias that you must be a lower income earner since your riding the bus. I have very wealthy friends and family in the UK who use their transit system consistently everyday - they claim they can read most of their daily newspapers on their iphone before when they get on and off between their commutes to work and home. I can do that in Toronto only if I live walking distance to a subway station with a job also a similar distance from a connected station.
sam195 You apparently have never taken the Tube in London. Where in the UK is your family? You should only compare like to like - Toronto vs London, Montreal vs Manchester, Calgary vs Birmingham, etc.
lol my family lives in London I've taken the underground from Rayners Lane to King's Cross. It was very clean the multiple times I took it to my uncle's liquor shop. I did notice the fares were more expensive relative to conversion in cdn dollars. However Brits pay more for fuel, parking, maintenance & insurance not to mention a ridiculous congestion charge so transit looks more attractive based on price. Everyone has an oyster card. The TTC just like NY transit is dirty with trash everywhere and homeless people getting their 8 hrs of sleep on trains. Chicago is similar to the TTC but for whatever reason despite having lower population than Toronto and last I checked lower annual ridership on their transit network it is better connected. Chicago unlike Toronto has transit connected in the far suburbs like subways into places similar to Scarborough and York. Toronto after more than a decade just extended into Vaughan.
The truth is the Canadian and Ontario provincial governments severely lack long term vision and are GROSSLY irresponsible. Instead of the King Street Project gimmick short term fix, they should have invested heavily in constructing extensive new subway lines and even monorails long-long time ago if you ask me.
350,000 more new immigrants to Canada EACH YEAR by 2020, more than half of which are projected to move to Toronto, it doesn't take a genius to figure out what the correct infrastructure investment scale should be. EVERY new immigrant should be charged an infrastructure premium to support growing investment in public facilities that they will inevitably need/use when they arrive.
If you think the crowd and congestion is unbearable in Toronto now, then wait for just another couple of years and you will be nostalgic about the wonderful 2017!!
Canada already has a tough time attracting skilled workers against the US and UK despite Trump & Brexit. There will be no premium charged it is called taxes and everyone pays. Refugees will never be expected to pay such a premium either since they usually come over with next to nothing. It is the Mike Harris PC government's fault and whoever was Mayor at the time in Toronto for the cancelled Eglinton West Subway and the incomplete Sheppard line. They should have stayed locked in on those projects regardless of the cost even if it meant tax hikes at the provincial or municipal level. It was a lot cheaper to build the necessary transit back then. It is a lot more expensive today. I read somewhere the that the entire Sheppard line could have been completed back in the early 2000s for a lower cost than what the one stop Scarborough Subway will cost in today's $$$.
hundreds of highschool students skipping out on fares, i am a highschool student in Toronto and even though i ride my bike everywhere when i do take them subway it is no problem giving them a ttc token to get across the city
4 dollars for a fare it's a lot but the presto cards are very efficient.
That looks like finch station west
Bro the thumbnail was epic
(TTC) Toronto Transit Comission in Canada is now similar to MTA (Metropolitan Transportation Authority) in New York.
Not only those two cities have the fare evasion problem. Most other rapid transit systems such as BART, WMATA, MBTA, etc. had their touches of fare evasion. Another bad thing about it besides that it costs lots of revenue to accommodate free riders, also, these freeloaders would not offer their seats to revenue passengers. They are just plain selfish.
0:50 “ hundred of high school students “ WELL MOST OF US ARE BROKE
Doesn’t mean u shouldn’t pay 3.25 lol
So what? Get a job or walk.
Five years later and I am sure that figure has tripled to 60 million.
Just wave an umbrella between the presto entry gate doors at station and they open.
Im only saying this to notify the ttc of this loop hole so they can fix it.........
I have no idea why they don't make those barriers higher or even install more gates there.
That maybe true that people are avoiding paying fair. But there are too many stations that don't allow tokens at the presto barriers. It wouldn't be as bad if you could pay at the card loading machines to get a paper pass with a barcode to scan with a one time pass to get in. Now if a system like this exist should that be a sign put up with bright lights in front of the barriers and on the buses themself?
Charge them $25 each time they do that. After 3rd time, the fine will increase to $100 each offense.
Well, maybe if they didnt keep raising the price for the same/or even worst service then maybe people wont evade paying
Yes, I saw some, going out of Victoria Park, and the guy just ran and took advantage of an opened gate.
It's too expensive for all of the problems experienced, overpacked buses especially during rush hour.
how about when they have line closures. on the yonge line no Inspector at the doors every one just walks in and at kennedy station some buses are out in the open and you can get the bus for free
Bring back the revolving door that uses the second exit.
I watched this happen in Paris , France all the time.
ok now we need a proof of payment
Any station entrance that unattended has these issues.
Like I see people all the time passing there TTC card under the gates so ppl can scan in.
20 mil is an understatement
Also those who walk into the fare paid area of a bus platform
wl03bu how can you do that the entire place is covered by a fence and it's a big area if someone ruer jumping the fences they would get caught
I mean where the buses drive onto the street. There are signs saying do not enter but I've seen people enter from the street rather than use the actual entrance several times.
yeah at Wellesley station and Scarborough Town Centre - droves of people sneak in without paying. What's funny is I've seen a lot of them get out of taxis so they have money to get a ride to the station but avoid paying to ride the subway or rt.
The sides (where the guy jump from) should be higher so no one can climb on it.
Well they took off the fence thing at sheppard west, maybe they should bring it back
Lol we don't want to show you because that would be breaking the law. Pretty sure if you did a demonstration with supervision from TTC officials - it would make a stronger influence on viewers to stop the practice if they already do so or lol better yet out the fare cheats they see to a nearby ttc employee.
The thing they didn't want to show is that if ur thin enough such as myself, u can turn ur body sideways and slide thru easy. U can push thru closed ones easily too. It's flimsy plastic. Great downgrades TTC. I learned all this cause the thing didn't want to work one day so I went in anyways. Lil ironic that I was forced to find a loop hole in the system because the system stop working one day.
Where is the station manager?
Staying warm enjoying a coffee?
I miss the old days when u could split them buss tickets in half
Ohh lool i remember
My friend an I was at a busy station and at the booth there was a crowd of people, you have to show a ttc I’d card that has proof that u paid or pay $2.25 but they don’t rail really pay attention to it, so my friend walks buy the booth holding up a $5 bill in the shape of a card and they didn’t even look at him. I paid.
You can not force people to use presto there needs to be a cash collection at all stations
I'm coming Canada
Please stay in india
Marlon anan 😂😂💀
The Presto system is terrible too. The plexi gates are a joke. This TTC is falling apart. What a mess.
Good Canadians.
The first dude is baked
Oh yeah, you never did anything like that as a teenager?
High-school STUDENTS SHOULD NOT PAY GO BACK & FORTH TO SCHOOL.
Aren't there cameras in every station that can identify fare-evaders so the TTC police can possibly catch them the next time they try to repeat their offences? I imagine that face-recognition could even be used if the situation got out of hand.
I have visited cities where some station's cashier booths were unmanned for whatever reason--perhaps only temporarily. On one occasion I needed to catch a train but because there was no one in the cashier's booth I obviously could not purchase a ticket so I had no choice but to jump over the turnstile and walk down to the platform to the arriving train.
After reaching my destination station without having paid my fare, I walked up to a transit official to inform him about the unmanned station I had entered and the fact that I had no choice but to jump over the turnstile, since for all I knew, my act of fare evasion might have been caught on video surveillance and I did not want to considered a criminal. Oddly enough, the official did not seem in the least bit concerned about what I had done. Perhaps he figured I was I tourist (which was indeed the case) and sympathized with me. Thinking about it all later on, I thought that I might have looked directly into a video camera at the unmanned station, held out some currency, and waved my hands to let them know that I was willing to pay but obviously could not do so.
A few years ago, when visiting Ottawa, after leaving the Via Rail train to enter the adjacent Light Rail station, there was no human cashier anywhere in sight. The ticket machines would not accept cash nor even my credit card for some reason, and I did not posess a Presto card. In the end, out of frustration and not wanting to hold up the line of people behind me any longer, I simply slid in quickly behind someone going through the turnstile and reached the platform where I soon noticed a transit employee approaching me. I informed this person what had happened, but she did not seem overly perturbed about it. So much for the "concern" over fare evasion--an act which is not always committed with malice aforethought.
In rare cases, a station cashier would be using the restroom located in the rear of their booth, at which point some opportunistic people will deliberately wait to jump over the turnstiles without paying their fare. The moral to this story: when nature calls, expect some transit users to become opportunistic.
Having said all of that, in some transit systems when attempting to use unfamiliar and confusing ticket machines, I have unfortunately overpaid the fare actually required for my trip, so I suppose in the end it all works out. The transit system rakes in more money than needed from tourists who overpay and who likely either don't realize it or don't want to make a fuss.
You are dystopian
they’re not just breaking the law,
they’re not paying their share of the usage costs,
making others pay for their shares
NOT NICE
At Dundas station all you have to say is I can't pay. Most of the time you get in free. While your waiting for your train watch to see who pays and who doesn't.
This shows that people are broke af. People doing this are making fare cost more.
Then how about your rich A help us muuphakahh
I Would place *Coldstream guards at the entrance
*Guards who guard Buckingham Palace 24/7 British time
Walking is free
Okay, are you concerned or just upset that you are paying while others ride for free? Lose the weight and you could hop the border fence as well. ;-)
No jumping for him .
🇨🇦
These plastic gates are a joke. I see high schoolers walking on buses for free becsuse they think the driver thinks they are 12 and under.
" We " have to bring it to your attention ? Do your jobs! The TTC knows exactly where the fare evaders are...
" Brought to our attention " Patrol the stations. We pay taxes for transit police to do there jobs..
How much is the fare???
Way too much!!
The fare for the month is much less than the cost to rent a parking sport for your car in Toronto.
Transit enforcement wont touch students. Ive seen them get on free too.
Better security as i am a security guard
Not gonna stop me
We been doing this since they had the old turnstiles this ain’t anything new.. Lawrence west,downsview,and yd got it the worse
This is nothing. Fare evaders do this in full view of fare inspectors at Spadina Station. When people exit the streetcar, those who didn't pay their fare avoid fare inspectors by breaking away from the crowd and walk on the edge of the platform in the other direction
People can tap their presto as soon as they see a fare inspector as well
20 million? Is that all?
So.. To those who are a bit less iq whatnot.. The reason the gate is not to the ceiling dun da da dunnnn.. IN CASE OF EMERGENCY where time could be saved by arounding those gate and not wasting time waitimg for personnel etc. Whoa..that was such a toughie...
Build the doors and machine up to the ceiling. Obviously. Honestly doesnt pay. So hunt them down. .
That won't stop all the people who flood through.
There will be robot to zap gate hoppers.
Make all transit Free , tax us whatever , Just make Public Transit Superior and Get rid of Domestic cars and only make cars for commercial and industrial use
If it weren't that expensive.
I'VE SEEN THE STUDENTS JUMP THE GATE TOO!!! IT'S GETTING WORSE AND IS HAPPENING A LOT NOW!!!
So what? I do it all the time. I got caught once and went to court. I told judge my story and she let it go. So city news up yours I am not going to report any one. .
Staff hardly do anything even if there is supervision
Trying to Jump gate, while holding a no trespassing sign 🤔.
It’s to complicated because “People always want something for nothing” and that’s what I don’t understand about some people. You want the services but don’t want to pay for it??? Sorry 😐 but the world 🌎 doesn’t work like that people. You get what you give
Snitch
all people caught gate hoping on this video were white
"why should my fare go up cause of that?" I hope this guy says smth wrong to a wrong group of kids one day.. pathetic..
"all people caught gate hoping on this video were white"
PC editing. : )
The Real Jupiter who cares this is law breaking snitching isnt a bad thing idiot
All public transit around the world should be free.
@Esteban F. I mean... yes, they should.
@Esteban F. Now you're catching on!
@Esteban F. Automation is the future and the people should reap the benefits of it
Lol he repeated 20 million as if that's a lot. It's way higher than 20 million.
Come on show me how they do it. I don’t even live in Canada.
Un-Fare
People pay to ride transit? Aren't they already subsidized by our tax dollars?
Looool Toronto is Kawal Capital
what the heck is kawal?
Transit Should be paid for by taxes
mfw you can’t just make the wall taller 😅
Yeah
ya dont know still how were becaus dont have it were I live
Good pun
how about the race of those students?? isnt that important?
Maybe your pale behind needs to stand in the sun without sunscreen and turn to dust