Are BART's new 7-foot fare gates working to deter evaders? Here's what agency says
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- Опубликовано: 8 янв 2024
- For years, BART has struggled to keep fare evaders off trains. Two weeks ago, the agency began testing new 7-foot gates at the West Oakland station. Are they working? bit.ly/41P5Zw9
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This is the first time I saw Bart had a significant positive outcome of people finally having to pay. This is definitely going to fix a lot of Barts problems. Glad to see some good news this year for transit
people will break it regularly, others cant get trough, too easy to abuse this
May need to review and address or mitigate any possible safety concerns on all angles.
So if BART significantly lowers annual losses, do we get discounted rates soon?
@@CheezeCracker no. It will just keep going up. The fares arent even a blip on the radar of covering bart expenses. Bart is mostly funded by tax dollars and government hand outs
@@CheezeCracker For sure, BART is gonna mail all of us a big, fat check. You can count on it. Actually, I think BART would still lose money every year even if they stopped 100% of all cheaters, so while this is probably going to be an improvement, it's not going to solve their financial issues. Plus these gates are going to need additional costly maintenance, because I expect vandals will break a number of them every day.
Hats off to the one citizen refusing to allow someone else through without paying. Citizens need to to unite against these freeloaders and leeches of our society!
As much as I hate freeloaders, my life is more important than risking a bullet or knife wounds for telling someone off. Seen too much crime to risk my life.
@@nnyv0040 its not that dangerous, people doing this can not afford the $500 bucks or more for a gun. knife perhaps, but lets be real its more risky to go to a bar.
I don't take BART very much anymore, but I used to sense people coming up behind me, and intentionally wait a moment to dart through so that it closed right behind me. I mean, if they jump over, then that's that. But they won't get through an open gate on my dime, lol.
@@nnyv0040 I agree. These people are crazy. My life is more important then getting assaulted/stabbed over a bart fare.
That is a dumb mindset. You can get a cheap sawed off that will fit in the sleeve of a jacket for $100 from a crackhead even here in Canada. ain't gonna be new, but it'll shoot. Lots of people steal guns too?? That's why the USA is so fuckin' wild and the only place you see the kind of violence you do in a 1st world country. @@erikanders3343
I remember that in Japan, thousands of commuters needed to rush through during the peak hours. They opened the gates, but people still tapped!
The Japanese have integrity. They're a whole different breed of humanity.
Japanese are more considerate than Americans. they also are a private company with its own police force.
In Germany, there are no gates.
@@pepsino12000 you have conductors who check fairs.
Not just Japan. I travel all over for my work. In most parts of Asia, even in China, they leave the gates open during peak commute hours to speed up the process. This is a societal and political issue of not enforcing rules and laws. I am very sure these gates will soon be branded as racist gates.
The typical criminal and problematic element on public transit are those who do not pay for it. Solving this issue will ultimately make riders feel safer, and possibly even attract new riders who will actually pay. Public transit is the best way to move large groups of people as adding car lanes has been proven to not reduce traffic at all. Most people I know, do not believe public transit is safe enough to actually use it, nor consistent enough. We should be working harder to replicate what our European friends have accomplished, or even better what the Japanese have accomplished.
Exactly - well said. I would use BART if it was safer. Seeing folks jump the turnstiles just reinforces the sense of lawlessness.
Go move there… we do not need communism
Because SF is a shithole, no one will ever feel safe enough on public transit
@@theeconomicsofthings9752
>japan
>communism
Pick one.
They killed the last open commie that tried to be elected back in 1960. Quit being a dipshit trying to derail discussion.
With a username like that, you think you'd know what communism is.
"That's not the right attitude to have"....well, welcome to the real world. And yet, I do hope it does make a significant difference. I rode BART for years, and there were many times when people would sneak up close to me, and try to get in or out on my ticket. I learned to scan my Clipper, step through and quickly STOP and let the gate close before the other person could get through. It worked, but it would piss people off and many times I had to deal with someone screaming in my face. Some people feel they don't ever have to pay for anything. Shame really.
It's the Entitlement Complex, BART edition
Good job. Sorry about the unpleasant encounter.
nah they do this too in London but then the people who do this are wearing £250 coats and £190 shoes and then can't pay £3.40 for a train ride
Don't be a racist
Gates and fences don't work
"I'm entitled to not pay for this, how dare you deny me."
Insane that people think this way.
BART is incredibly expensive. I pay for my tickets as I can afford it (attorney), but it's insane the amount of lackeys in this comment section. I let them in.
@@bulletprooftiger1879maybe it’s expensive because people are cheating raising the cost for the people that do not cheat and pay.
@@bulletprooftiger1879I take photos of evaders and report them
@@boostedmaniac no, it's expensive because the overhead of useless people collecting million dollar salaries to do absolutely nothing. They got $1.6 billion from the federal government last year to cover their "operations costs" til 2025. If this business was ran like a train station and not like a corrupt city government, maybe they wouldn't have this issue.
they are a special kind of stupid.
Here in Atlanta we’ve had these gates in place since 2005 or 2006, it really did reduce fare evasion.
I was going to say the same. It’s been really effective.
Marta definitely doesn’t have these gates 🤔
@@jpgm2015 We have the gates, just not the Frames that go up to 7 ft. That way Shaq does not have to duck.
@@jpgm2015 they are full height gates. At least on the red and gold lines(the ones I’ve travelled along)
@@portcybertryx222 they definitely aren’t 7 ft gates like the ones in the video
I've literally been saying since the 90's that they should have these. Even back then I would regularly see people just jump over. This should help keep most of the druggies who just use the trains to sleep on all day off the trains and help BART's bottom line at the same time.
Bart should have had them from the 70's.
Hardcore 😊q@@erikanders3343
Security camera takes picture when laser is tripped twice. Automatic notification to transit police, auto AI-tracking through transit system, police intercept person at a station or wait for train to arrive, pull them off, fine them $300.
@@Smokie181wouldn’t work… makes too much sense and the police only come to enforce the no eating/drinking policy. If you’re smoking/shooting crack just keep to yourself you’ll be fine.
@@jayjohn9680I smoked on the train once and got caught immediately.
That exchange at the end.... is why i still won't take BART, you know he feels entitled to not have to pay (the system owes him?)
You got that right. Such an angry group of people even though they are criminals!!?
Yeah and they’ve only been up for a couple weeks The new gates are going to cause a lot of heated arguments/assaults.
@@jayo9750once they are fully installed, problematic people won’t be able to get into the system and cause these arguments. Or at least people will get deterred significantly because it’s exhausting having to fight your way onto a system you’re not welcomed.. twice (tag in and out)
Totally. And, I live right next to BART too.
@@anthonysnyder1152 It only costs 2$ to enter the system. These gates aren’t going to keep anyone out that doesn’t want to be in there. Its still public transit
A rare flash of sanity in the Bay Area. Dare I say, progress?
Did u not see the end of the video?
@@jayo9750 one fool acting out and you act like it's a lost cause. They should have arrested him to show him!
@@SecretSquirrel-xk1ik agreed, you notice the guy was just mouthy and the bicyclist was ready to pound him if he tried anything. We need bart police to stop sleeping in their cars and be around though.
Never gonna be perfect but a step in the right direction@@jayo9750
It's money and that's all.
This had got to be a cultural thing because I lived in South Korea for over 10 years. I rode the subway almost daily and I never saw anyone attempt to bypass the gate unlawfully.
Yes -- unfortunately, there are more losers in America than South Korea. Rampant fare evasion in America lowers the integrity of its citizens and therefore of the country as a whole.
This is better than the ridiculous 4ft door NYC put up at Jamaica Station
Fax that design was lazy af
When you pay your fare, you put your act together. For those that don't, they tend to assault on other passengers who do pay. That explains why riders say they don't feel safe on the BART trains. Go figure.
I was in Seattle at a hotel where room cards are used to access the elevators 24/7. A scruffy looking guy got on the elevator and did not have his card. He was stalling in hopes someone would let him access the floors. People on the elevator hailed an employee and asked them to help him. We must remain vigilant as more people are simply thieves prepared to override security measures.
Yes keep the unstable people and drug users off BART!
Exactly
Get rid of the welfare system and watch systemic attitudes change. When you see victimhood as an entitlement, you treat everything like shit.
Not only assault but otherwise rob, intimidate and shakedown paying passengers.
this is probably the best thing Bart has bring to the Bay Area, not only will this prevent jumpers, it will also bring down the retail theft crime % dramatically
They use stolen cars for that. U ever see people with big handfulls of designer on bart ??
@@jayo9750 so they have stolen cars but still take bart?
Correct. Big retail stores can install these at the entrance and let the store employees to lock these doors when looting takes place. No one can get out from the store until police arrives.
@@malin7919 unfortunately that's a lawsuit in the making. It's like that story of the gas station employee who locked someone in, then they started shooting people inside who couldn't get out either.
@@kcalb3180 Westfield mall which recently closed down, somewhat in part to retail theft but also the fact retail shopping has dropped, is accessible from a BART station below it don't even have to walk on city streets.
Enforcement is the important part. Glad to see the employees actually doing their job instead of just watching people break the law. This looks better than New York's half gates.
employees actually doing their job instead of just watching people break the law. they are BART employees not cops.. That is not their job to stop people
This comment is dumb as F lol yeah blame the hard working employees for the idiots who have no jobs and can't afford a small tole.. if you trying to blame the employees I bet your one of those jobless idiots!!!
NYC needs this.
It's not their job to stop people, that's for BART police, so blame them if anyone
@@phelan8385 Do BART police have the same power as normal police?
Fare evaders who try to piggyback off of paying passengers remind me of cheating students who try to copy off of classmates tests 😆
when in NY I just stop when someone comes up right behind me and pretend I need to get more money. makes them so unhappy.
@@erikanders3343 yeah get assaulted or worse. Over a subway fare thats not even coming out of your own pocket. Real smart
Yup. Fare evaders are the D and F students that never pass class which make sense cause they probably have a low paying job or they are broke
Only Harvard presidents get to do that // edit: Former Harvard President Dr. Claudine Gay was asked to resign and did so, but not after her multiple acts of academic plagiarism was first publicized several months ago. The Harvard board of directors swept all that under the rug until big-wig donors publicly stated they were withholding further donations, the plagiarism scandal became mainstream media news, and nobody remained to defend her except probably The View cast. Take home message = the plagiarism was known for a long time yet Dr. Gay faced no discipline or criticism until a few weeks ago. For what it's worth.
@@JustSayN2O Or former first ladies like Melania
Why are you hiding the faces of those fare evader? They're in public
TV stations are still weird about it. its tradition at this point.
Because they're the usual people
Because in this state even a petty criminal can be crafted into a victim by a lawyer to shake down the media organization for big $$.
Wait until 2050 and things change.
@@ondreiii what white people
@ABC7 News. Great job with this story. Really appreciate you showing up to watch for 2 hours without a BART official there. This gives us good information that the gates can work.
And to BART thank you for installing the gates. I'm not a regular rider currently but if the system gets straightened out, I'll be back.
Its still public transit anyone can get 2$ to get into the system. If your expecting a luxury ride drive a car
I hope you get paid for posting such nice comments about a system that still can be cheated. Did you see that last guy who followed the bicyclist. He was stil able to get out by not paying fares.
@@kanank13 Did you see anyone hurdle over the gates? Yeah me either, which probably makes up a majority of the system cheats. Now following someone will be the only way to cheat the system, and if BART employs station agents that actually confront people who do it then maybe the problem will go away.
@@kanank13 I travel a lot, so get to see how many cities are run. SF is a sh*tshow downtown compared to most places I go.
Those gates remind me of what is in Boston, which does a decent job. I would say that each station is going to need a guard with the authority to arrest violators for this to really work.
But that said it is a big step in the right direction. I'm not paid to post my personal opinion, however.
@@Mike__B if you think BART is going to deploy some agents to confront cheaters, you are under the influence of somethign terrible. Please be realistic. Do you know that the retails store employees are asked not to confront ay looters? I hope you do. The same applies to BART. BART will not let station agents lives at risk. May be you are new to the Bay Area or new to this filthy crooked woke country.
The trustworthiness of a community can be measured by the level of fare enforcement at its railway station. Consider for example that in many areas of England and Japan, fare gates aren't used or checked at all and it is simply a matter of honor.
When you reach the point where even fences no longer keep honest people honest, and you have to build walls, you no longer live in a trustworthy society.
Same reason there's food deserts.
Precisely
Japan and England actually invest in rail at the local and national level, regardless of the income of the areas the trains are in, and both countries have reasonable costs of living AND liveable wages. Japan is especially affordable and so even the poorest person doesn't need to fare evade bc the cost of transit is low. In the US if you can't afford a car you're probably living paycheck to paycheck and live in an area with no amenities. I always pay but I understand why others don't. My local transit agency is very mediocre and recently installed fare gates without considering so many things like student bus passes and peak time fare enforcement. 😂 When the people running the agency are incompetent I don't lose sleep about their bottom line. When American transit agencies stop being garbage people will stop fare evasion.
^^^This, this is why. When people are comfortable, then it's not an issue. When people are at their limit, or are struggling for basic commodities, that's when you run into these issues. Toll bridges used to become free once the public paid off the cost of construction through tolls, you used to be able to afford college with a part time job, you used to be able to afford groceries with a part time job, let alone a full time. Corporations profits are subsidized with government assistance, you want me to pay? You want me to be a good little societal cog? Then. Stop! Exploiting! Me! Otherwise this won't only continue, the problem will grow as normal people are pushed closer and closer to homelessness, which btw 60% of Americans are already living paycheck to paycheck.
Stop noticing things
Los Angeles Metro needs to do the same thing systemwide before the 2028 Olympics.
Atleast we're getting a start with these gates in the Beverly hills stations
Took the words out of my mouth. Would help keep the homeless out too.
@@TravelJackoh definitely, yes they can still get by and stay within the system all day. But they gonna have to figure out how to bring all their belongings thru the gate
Bro you STILL live in Cali? You’re the dumb one 😂
@@DanteLemarrIt shouldn't be free but even people with the means still avoid paying and use that money for food and beverages etc
In London they have multiple assistants at the entrance and exit gates. No one escapes their eye, they dont let people alone like this.
They are afraid someone will call them racist.
well what we need is the bart police to not be so lazy. lots of articles about them sleeping in their cars on duty
In the Bay Area, unlike London, people have guns…
@@mfo7611 not poor people though. guns are expensive.
Sorry, but London is not known for having a 60% african american population. Its very unsafe
Civic Center in the city needs these - it continues to be a Mad House over here - people are afraid to come into this area - people are afraid to use Civic Center BART - no joke
Should place the gates earlier into the concourse if possible but may not be as it is a muni/bart combo station
Civic center has been like that for decades
rumor is that UN, Montgomery, embarcadero as well as all the oakland/burkley stations are next.
@@arxligion those are on other levels, but Muni has contracted a study of putting them in the underground stations.
@@erikanders3343 ??? The muni stations are underground and the BART and muni share the concourses. Also where in god's name is "burkley?"
In Seattle, you must board busses in the front, and pay your fare.
However, especially at a few stops, people crowd into the rear entrance to avoid paying the fare.
When I'm getting off at such a stop, I exit last, and after stepping out of the bus, I remain in front of the door until it closes.
I've had people try to push past me, but at 6'2" people can't really get around me and it's a mistake for people to try to push me. They often think that's so UNFAIR!
Too bad, Bub!
They mostly try to intimidate smaller people. Wearing IIIA and staying legally strapped is a good way to protect yourself if idiots try to threaten your life because you won't let them steal.
Gotta be careful somebody might pull a knife out on you
in SF muni drivers dont ask for the fare anymore because it was a common problem for them to be attacked by people who didnt want to pay. Im 6ft5 and i have a large afro I cant even stand up in the muni train without bending over but I wouldnt be trying to control random people like that some people are insane, evil, armed and sensitive.
Some thoughts 1) This is fantastic as long as the gates can't be forced open, sure there is still bound to be tailgaters but that at least requires someone who pays first and tends to be a small part of the problem. 2) Fare evading as an epidemic in this area, you can see it most on Muni where one doesn't need to get over a gate, but there are people who do it because "why not $2.50 is $2.50" and then there are those who get so apathetic to plight they figure "If no one else is going to pay, why should I?" so stopping it in all forms is perfect. 3) This is the first time I've seen a station agent chastise anyone who attempted to evade, they always are conveniently looking in a different direction, or slouched down in a chair in their booth so they don't have to make eye contact with anyone. 4) The end of 2025 is way too long to get these out, these need come out pronto, hopefully at the very least they start at the biggest places where evading happens, i.e. all of Market Street, other Oakland stops, and then work outward from there, the sooner the better. 5) Lastly for anyone complaining about how these are tested in the lowest income neighborhoods, if you are low enough income you can get a "low income Clipper card" and all fares are 50% off.
4) cost, the faster to roll it out the more expensive it is to do it. got to operate it within their means
%) lowest is the place to test, that station has the most evaders, the new gates will go in based on a 2022 study of evasion.
That’s because of the funding cuts and implementation of this program that woken transit workers to exactly do their jobs or they won’t have one
@@erikanders3343 4) Not true, the longer you wait the more expensive it will become. It will never be cheaper than what it is today.
5) Yeah I get that's why they do it, I'm just saying if people want to complain about low income there are programs for low income people to ride BART and other mass transit for a pretty hefty discount.
@@williamerazo3921 No such thing. Bart police have a very strong union and contract and basically nap all the time.
Point 4) the problem is disruption rather than cost. If you install the gates faster, the disruption of regular operations will be much worse.
A step-by-step installation allows for operations to continue with minimal disruption.
5) In my city low-income specific pass cards go as low as 75% off and even 100% off. It's mostly situation-specific so you have different levels.
As 50% can still be too much for some people living hand to mouth and worsening social spiraling.
A 75% to 100% rebate pass card allows better outcomes and prevent some "social stalling".
The network being already mostly financed by public funds, with the riders only paying about 30% of the ticket actual cost. (So a 75% rebate card is 75% off the 30% paid by riders).
The unpaid people are the same people that say they’re oppressed by the system when they barely do anything in society
That's racist. Some of their ancestors were slaves. You are supposed to feel bad for them and let them steal everything.
@@galvanizedgnome the video even showed white people jumping fare. You are a racist.
@@galvanizedgnome😂😂
@@galvanizedgnome not stolen conquered
ThAtS RaCiSt
They didn't try it because ativists stopped them. Europe has had these for decades. We have got to stop listening to cries of "systemic racism" and implement strategies that work, enforcing laws would be a start. Lower fares would help and targeted programs for low income and seniors.
Yes, Europe is a step ahead. You dont see this sort of nonsense in London. There are guards everywhere and NO homeless loitering/doing drugs on the subway cars.
Yeah that's the problem. The cry of racism fur everything. Sorry if you're a criminal it doesn't matter your color, but I'm also not blind to the typical color of most!!
It was not activists at all, pre covid bart had plenty of riders who had to go to the office and evaders were not worth the trouble. Now with ridership dropped it needs to recover those lost funds.
@@bombaybeach208 I see tailgaters all the time in London. Now sure where you are on the tube but Victoria line is joking my called bumrush line.
What do you mean by "we have to stop listening to the cries of systematic racism" are you insinuating systematic racism in America isn't real? 😅
Finally, BART! Well done
its not well done. You have to be still in the stone ages to think its a good thing when every criminal that comes near a station can immediately be identified . This is about protecting 'criminals' and letting them be anonymous so people like you have to have a lifetime of deal with them and support them.
Bart now needs to figure out a way so that the gates don’t stay open long enough so a non-paying customer can walk through behind a paying customer.
I swear if I get crushed by one of these fat ass gates ima sue the shit out of the city
That would be actual fare enforcement through arrests.
That's the issue. It can't...without causing other issues.. If they shorten the time, it could slam on the actual paying customer, their bag, luggage or whatever other personal item that may take longer to clear. It will also not prevent someone that stay directly behind the paying customer like a Velcro and try to walk through. There were some work done using face/body recognition to dynamically adjust the gate closing time, but then it could be risky and lead to privacy concerns. There are solutions like double gates to ensure only one person in the "decontamination" space. All of that will increase cost and add other types of delays and risks.
what exactly do you want to do with a mom pushing a baby stroller? get mangled by a steel door over a few dollars?
You realize this isn’t easy right? If it knocks over a disabled person or gets caught on someone’s chain it could cause issues. Maybe AI thats trained to detect when someone is completely through (motion sensors aren’t accurate enough) otherwise I think it’s difficult
So obviously this could cause the innocent Bart rider to be threatened or assaulted by the person behind him. Need a double gate system or law enforcement.
This is gonna cause a lot of heated interactions between riders. I dont think they thought that part through
@@jayo9750 what's the alternative. They need to stop these people from ruining everything this city has to offer, which lately it's next to nothing.
@@jayo9750 what's unnecessary is putting up with these damn criminals.
@@jayo9750 I'm irritated by that jackass at the end of the news clip. Fed up with them really.
The gates are nice but enforcement is needed. By blocking a piggybacker, that can cause some confrontations. That's when officers need to step in. It's a start, but let's see a year from now.
Worked For BART back in the 80's in one of the engineering departments as a clerk. Good grief some of these guys are lazy. Overpaid and do nothing. Back in those days phones didn't have a voicemail, and clerks took phone messages for all the engineers. Two engineers who I reported, were signing out on the out board being on the system, but actually taking care of personal stuff, like taking care of tenants apartments. One of the engineers were in charge of the faregates who did nothing but sit there and complain that the clerks weren't giving him the "clerical support" he needed such as typing up his Toastmasters speech and a clerk refused saying it wasn't BART related. Some calls were from the engineer's tenants of buildings they owned complaining that garbage disposals weren't working, roofs leaking. I threw a fit. Its been a few decades since and they are no longer there. I don't work there anymore either. Hated it. This project could have been handled years ago, typical management at BART couldn't even do that. Can just imagine what is like there now.
Anyone notice the one thing in common that most the fare jumpers have?
💀
Yes.
Yes. They're all assholes.
Love how the US finally catches up with the innovations of other countries once money losses are involved.
Amazing observation.
Nah not really. These agencies are just lazy and lack the will to confront all these state DOTs for more funding for better transit. Other agencies across the country have had these systems in place for a while. Also remember that US public transit was built before other transit systems in the world which based a lot of their infrastructure on what we made. So it’s a cycle. They take inspiration from us, we take inspiration from them.
Nonsense. Only a few systems around the world have these kinds of new model gates. If anything, BART is among the most innovative transit systems in the world with 80 mph subway trains, fully walk-through trains, and the very first fully-automated rapid transit system in the world.
You clearly know very little about BART, my dude.
Other countries spend and waste tons of money accomplishing something at whatever cost, then print money to cover it and then jack up taxes on the poor to attain some technocratic goal from their ivory tower (*cough europe). That is nothing to be proud of. The USA is good with money and management that's why they boss your shit hole region around.
Probably doesn't work. Evaders would line up behind a paying customer and go in as a batch. See "piggybacking" in NYC subway.
Pretty much. Waste of 90 million tax payer $$. But they dont care they all got a cut
looks like it works well and is a good deterrent. might need a NYC version soon. that works quick and effective for quick traffic. the flow of traffic here is ideal. slow and easy. quick traffic is more complex, glad they are trying to fix and improve.
NYC needs to figure out how to get people to pay on buses.✨✨✨
@@daynajoethrough the front. That’s the only way. No more existing from the back of the bus
NYC made matters worse with their new gates so far
NYC is testing these gates. And there are no foolproof.
NYC needs these 7 feet gates tbh
To be fair, most of evaders tend to do out of convenience and out of lack of consequence. It's going to suddenly be a lot less convenient to bypass the gates, creating the incentive to pay instead.
It probably won't stop those with actual dedication to not paying tho.
convenience of what, exactly?
Why don’t they fine riders who don’t pay? Why is it this so difficult?
1:51 that looked even easier than jumping the old gates
I have these same gates where i work i do the same that guy did when i forget my badge lmao
there is 9 inches of clearance before the bar and the bar is almost 10 feet high lebron. if you can jump that then we need you in the Olympics
The bicyclist that didnt let the attempted fare evader tailgate him is how we should all behave.
It's been annoying to see people hop the short turnstiles into bart stations. The audacity and entitled behavior doesnt even shock me anymore. Maybe the old turnstiles worked decades ago in keeping order, but upgrades are long overdue.
If that's the level of aggression somebody is willing to do with the television cameras rolling....
mind you some would do that for the attention, but there's been actual cases
Need this at the DC Metro. Sure there's gonna be piggybackers but this is like the first one I've seen that these particular fare gates are working
Was thinking just this. WMata take notes
Pay your fare and stop wasting everybody's time🙄. I've never understood why people will put in more effort to cheat then to simply play by the rules. Do they think that they're "Sticking it to the Man"🤷♂️
1:51- The exact type of guy I would envision evading a fare.
Ditto Tito, right after that (complete with neck tattoo). And along with the rest of the examples…not one little old lady among them.
About time, never understood why they didn’t put in the old-style 9ft turnstiles like other cities in the first place. This will cut down on the druggies and homeless using BART as a free service and intimidating paying passengers.
They said they didnt want the stations to be ugly like NYC... BART folks dont have common sense sometimes... They want esthetics instead of practicality... I know... I was a cop there for almost 20 years... I even warned them against the secondary fare gates at Balboa Park... They didnt listen... And it turned into what we affecionatly called "the East Bay express..." Sneak on the elevator at Coliseum or Bay Fair and sneak out to go to SF City College at Balboa Park or SF State at Daly City...
It also does really cut back on crime and attacks as well. It’s why south koreas transport is pretty safe, u can’t get into the station at all without paying
During an emergency, how will these accommodate a power outage or flooding? Does anyone know? Thanks.
How can the train run if there is no power??
@@jonnyfendi2003 My concern is people being trapped inside the station during an emergency. I'm just curious to know what safeguards are in place. For example, will the gates automatically release in the absence of electricity?
Good start. Need security guards detaining evaders too.
I think they need a double gate system. A person walks through the first gate, then after that gate closes the second gate opens.
you are fckn crazy 😂 that is used nowhere in the world. The real problem is these people are animals, and that is not gonna change until you all educate your children.
It would be too expensive to modify that considering the obese and disabled people that use it.
@@choosey87
The bicycle turnstiles should be used for wheelchairs and obese people. Those can have double doors.
@@Aimless6 But how many of those stations exist verses the regular ones? During rush hour, a lot of folks will be waiting to use that one large gate.
And if there's two people in the zone, the gate will not open unless the piggybacker backs out
It’s impressive to see the entry point is so clean in this location!
Now figure out a way to stop people from smoking on the train. Lately it's happening nearly every single day.
I think this will decrease it somewhat. The people who do drugs on BART are low class and probably evade the fare...it won't get rid of it entirely but I think it will decrease that type of ridership.
They should install detectors and just stop the train till the source is out. People will physically toss a smoker out if you do that.
@@andypower5531 that's true, they always look like the type of people who did not pay
Should've gone with full height turnstiles 😒
these are better, you get people stuck in those. lots of other options to block tailgaters. The cheapest is to charge the person being tailgated twice. In places they do that you get your _ss beat for trying.
This could actually save Bart ... but sooner or later they'll just give free passes to the homeless and young criminals. Then people will avoid riding again.
They have reduced cost cards for those actually in need, but you must be working.
Yeah probably. Cuz you know...structural racism.
would love to see the half size gates in vancouver, people dont jump the gates here but they do push through, which often leads to broken gates
It will also make Bart safer by keeping trash out
Want to stop the people following after others to skip the fares?
Install a secondary gate about 5-10' after the first that cannot be opened until the first one closes completely.
If more than one person is detected inside the two-gates, then force the gates to only allow someone to reverse back out of the entrance.
It would be like a turnstile that only allows one person at a time, or a rotating door.
Also, if there are populations that need assistance for affording travel, provide such discounted and subsidized ticketing.
From an engineering standpoint, sure, it's Excellent. In reality, do you want to be trapped inside a cubicle with an individual (or worse) as shown at 4:45 ? Automation and more foolproof design is not going to help there.
@@CheezeCracker I thought about this, so my idea was to not "lock/latch" the first gate until the one transiting individual is confirmed to be the sole person in the in between zone.
Basically requiring it to be only one person at a time.
This could only be exploited by someone preventing the rules follower from exiting.
It's just an idea though.
I'm sure something can be figured out that's cost effective, functional, and mitigates almost all attempts to exploit the process.
This is like a makeshift boxing ring
Just like airport immigration gates (the automatic ones)? Kinda overkill, here we don’t even have gates for train except on big stations. The key is make the law and enforce it so that you rather pays than face the consequences, even that way there still be someone evading paying but the total paid passengers will outweigh against the evading passengers.
@@CheezeCracker Also, just in general, people are always going to try to fare evade. Allowing people that truly need to fare evade to still fare evade isn't horrible for the system as it's a small minority. Instead by preventing people that can afford to pay from easily fare evading is way more effective for the cost and way more useful.
The cheaters are the same folks that complain about taxes too I betcha
@@comp.eng.student2055 no. Their taxes that they paid in their entire life time, even if a millionaire wouldn’t pay for one mile of the system. Let alone a gate. lol. But they use that and freeways daily. Everyone whines about taxes while driving 15 miles on roads that taxes paid for. …
Yet here in Brisbane we have many stations that simply just have a card reader on the platform and no gates but yet almost everyone touches on. There are random ticket checks but you could go weeks without seeing one.
Here in Moscow having someone follow you through the fare gates is a very familiar sight yeah. They are about as tall as BART's and made out of glass. Been in service for over a decade now. There's no stopping those who don't want to pay. That's why our trains are staffed by ticket officers and security to catch those who get onboard without a ticket. I personally find that our system just works. Though I do hope BART has an option to quickly disable those gates in case of an emergency that comes with the need to evacuate people quickly. Though at rush hour, when there are tons of people making huge lines they open up the gates for people to exit as well. People themselves are motivated to tap in and out of stations, because if you don't tap out your card will be blocked and must be re-activated again for a price. PS! 65 cents gets you a one-way train trip with a free transfer to the Moscow Subway.
Out of curiosity, what happens in an emergency if a large amount of ppl need to evacuate quickly? Is there a button that a station manager pushes to unlock all the gates or what?
They need to speed up the closing door asap way faster at least 2+ seconds faster because alot of people are piggybacking others...
Yeah I hear ya but some people are old or disabled...
Time is needed for elderly, disabled, people with babies, children, strollers, wheelchairs etc.
Somewhere some place may have solved this already. When people don't do right from within and they do wrong with impunity, societal quality of life goes way down.
This should cut down on the crime on BART.
The guy who jumped up to that judge will find these easy to get through.
IKR? That was something else.
nah the dias was only 6 feet these are close to 10 and if someone can clear that they should be on the US Olympic team.
Are there emergency releases? I’m not trying to get trapped in the BART system the minute their tech goes out.
there are exist, but those lead you right into the bart police stand and the alarm is very loud. Good way to get a felony by tampering with them.
@@erikanders3343I don’t think you understood my question
@@gl4675 is there a release, perhaps, but it would be in the control booth.
@@gl4675 Yes there is always a large emergency exit door or gate with a notice that an alarm will sound like in a supermarket.
You know why it is being tested in West Oakland station. And it took BART this long to come up with this idea.
lol no I don't, why do you think it's being tested there?
yeah the 2022 study of fare evasion created a hit list of the worst stations. They also want to put in facial recognition to catch vandals and evaders after the gates go in. in 2030's of you wrote on the walls and you walk into a bart station you will likely be arrested and trespassed permanently from the system. The proposed changes have this in mind.
@@xedralya You usually tested something where it is worse.
@@TAL142 Nah, it's because West Oakland only has one way in and out of the station, so it made for a perfect trial spot.
Try not to make assumptions.
@@xedralya Have you been to other BART stations. Plenty of them are one way in and out of the station. Try take a look at Fruitvale, Coliseum, San Leandro, Bay Fair and even Fremont stations. Only some of those in SF people can jump over barrier. If you don't get offenders, what is the point to see how well the gate work since you don't see much difference.
Criminals getting angry at honest people. smh.
Hopefully LA Metro can get these style of gates installed at our elevated and underground Stations
They probably won't install all entries to the train.But LA need police present anyway for other reasons.
I haven’t been on Bart for over 10 years . I wouldn’t begin to know how to navigate it now, so much has changed.
it's exactly the same except that it's all clipper card based.
Theres 10 extra years of relief for you. BART has no redeeming qualities besides its what you ride if you don’t know how to use the Uber app.
@@jayjohn9680 some people can't afford to uber everywhere. bart isn't perfect but it will usually get you where you're going.
There needs to be a second barrier that keeps followers from slipping through. Won’t open until the door closes.
more $$$
No, that's dangerous
@@TheBilly not really there are separate emergency exits in there is actual danger
I think the gates should just close quicker so evaders can’t follow
Until all stations are hardened, people will add the bare minimum to their clipper card and then jump to exit, still not paying full fare.
BART is in the business of selling rides, so the "maybe he doesn't have the money ", is not an acceptable excuse. I saw an older woman shoved from behind because she wasn't moving fast enough for the fare cheater to piggyback on her paid exit. She hurt her ankle and was afraid the louse was going to do something more to her, but another gentleman and myself gave him some medicine for his obvious sickness. Putting hands on an elderly, female hopefully, earned him a trip to the dentist,and the station agent, who didn't see or address what had happened, was now in the middle of another heated exchange with someone else refusing to pay or show a proof of payment. We did what we could to assist the elderly woman, and stayed with her until she was securely picked up by her relative.I would urge the riders to be cognizant of their personal safety when both boarding and exiting, until BART can get a handle on what happened with the elder woman or the bicyclist in this video.
High percentage of fare dodgers have something on their head (hoodie, hat) compared to the general pop.
not really, I have seen tech bro's do it. its a sense of entitlement.
All the people not paying just happened to be black 😂😂😂 weird coincidence
Nice looking gates. I hope this works out for SF.
Good on the guy with the bike not letting him through. People need to realize if they don’t want to live in a shit hole they gotta clean stuff up. This will help a lot of crime and transportation of crime👏
This should have been in place 50 years ago. I remember fare evading passengers when I was in high school in the early 1970s. BART could have paid for this kind of gating back then and kept lower rates by making sure every passenger paid their fair share. They might to add light activated sensors to close the gates as soon as 1 person goes through, rather than relying on a time delay.
BART originally wanted OPEN gates. I was born in 73'.
you are smart.
or have a machine spit out tickets when you push your fart bart whatever card on it, then have a guy stand at the entrance and collect these tickets and let people pass. all these machines aren't worth what 1 person can do collecting tickets at an entrance like an usher and it has 0 evasion
ABC7 has been awesome in breaking and following up on this story. Great example of quality local news reporting.
It losses to each BART DIRECTORS getting paid 200K a year? Why blame on people?
Unfreaking real the last guy yelling he didn't let him in for free and threatening him.
Crazy how NYC can’t get this right but SF actually did it
NYC transit is very strapped for cash.
@@erikanders3343I sure wonder why they're strapped for cash
I felt like i was the only one paying for a while and it kinda made me feel dumb.
Same, but didn’t want to chance getting caught in the random checks they do
Don’t feel dumb for being the only honest good person in a society that has gone mad.
I pulled out a 20 oz soda and the agent over the loudspeaker really taught my dumb self a lesson. Even the guy smoking crack accross from me said come on man, no eating or drinking in the BART station.
😂
great reporting.
How does this compare to the old fare evasion proof gates at Richmond station
NYC needs to have these gates on its turnstiles.
Same . NYC tested new gates and they are too slow to close causing piggy banks and sensors issue
@@williamerazo3921 It figures but I think the taller gates would deter fare evaders.
I think it’s good but I also think the fares are too high. There should be a monthly or yearly pass
not how the system works, its pay for distance travel.
New York City has a weekly deal with omny.
Bart still needs to fix the gate. Once someone walk through the gate. The doors need to shut immediately. If not, some will just walk right through the open gate.
lol here is a question how much will these gates cost them vs how much in fair they will collect
90 million for all stations including the 5 new ones coming on line in the next 5 years. 2 million per year to support them. fare evasion costs the system 25 million per year right now and will only go up as the rate increases.
Hahahahaha, I can't wait for this to be all the stations.
Good idea. For those not paying I am sure they have fares for low income people. The system is affordable because people pay for it, don't ruin your city and a vital lifeline for others just to save a few bucks.
You could try ticketing, fining and ultimately arresting offenders. A third offense resulting in a 30 days in jail can really work wonders. Spend 30 days and you can back out with 30 days lost income and all of the great things that come with that.
They have, but Bart cops have a strong union so they are very lazy. Oh and 3rd offence is 90 days.
They’ll discover it’s mostly bLaCkS doing it, they’ll get arrested and everyone will claim it’s racism.
What are the chances the automated gates closes when someone is walking through?
I mean really, If people would just pay like you're supposed too, then none of these updates would need to be implemented.
Ouch! 🤕
This will most likely make BART safer😊. People are afraid of riding because of so many violent, abusive & disrespectful people. It's a brave new world😮.
It's amazing we didn't always have these gates. Idk who thought the original were in any way a good idea.
Washington DC metro has the same old gates. They are a joke: only the law-abiding pay.
USA: "I want the the hardest to push through in the world" Korea: "sir the rest of the world already uses them"
Seems like it's taken half a decade (maybe longer) to finally get to this point. I'm skeptical this will actually work though.
Things might work in 2050… but by then the BART system will be completely obsolete. About as outdated as morse code.
Good!! The only one's not wanting to pay are those we don't want in our community.
Amsterdam has gates like this (pretty much all stations in the Netherlands too) and I sometimes just can’t be bothered to pull up my ticket on the app so I just walk closely behind people, always works.
Delaying the tapping process and have 7 feet gate won’t stop freeriders. Enforcement is the key.
Great point. Delaying the tapping only gives the evaders more time to catch up and follow behind a payer smh 🤦
PLEASE share this success with NYC's MTA - God knows they need ALLLLLLLL the help they can get😂😂😂
Hopefully the other cities that have rail systems are taking notes. Chicago, New York, LA, etc should be implementing higher gates as well. I could also say that to prevent the person behind them from "piggybacking'', have a barrier of some sort to have a space between people and once the person ahead goes through the next can go through. I've seen people do the same, even with personnel from either the transit company, the police, etc in plain view, sometimes they get escorted out, other times they don't even bother.
Would you risk _your_ life for 2 buck?
But Chicago doesn't require people to pay to leave tho. The fare is only $2.50 and it's free to transfer from train to bus in the first hour.
your comment is racist AF, minorities shouldn't have to pay for anything
La doesn’t have a train lol.
@@SYDAirlineEnthusiast That's right, didn't it collapse when they tried to build one?
I'd be willing to bet the one's that say they can't afford the $2.50 for a ticket are probably on their way to the local dispensary with a pocket full of cash!
$2.50???
@@GodsGenuineGrace Alexa told me that prices range from $2 to $5 for a one way ticket so I just split the difference
Good for BART. With some enforcing to account for piggybackers this is a near perfect solution to address the degeneracy plaguing the transit system.
Stores need something like this honestly but also there has to be an emergency exit in case of fire so they would need atleast a guard or gate attendant
Stores , just need a GUARD w/ Automatic Firearm.