P.S This is the type of stuff that should be being taught on the courses ! Ideal, vaillant , baxi take note, not saying you're bad, but this is the real fault finding stuff that lads need to know .. 🙌🏼
Please keep the videos coming MR ideal man , have watched all the videos you have sent Allen and every time I come away with a clear understanding of what your trying to get across .. Cannot express highly enough how great I think your videos are . Thank you so much and keep up the great work Allen
Allen, "WTF" pet hair compromising a new boiler. I have had loads of the old dust problems with gas fire oxypilots but never thought a cat could stop a boiler. Please keep this great gas engineer onboard.
Great video, thank you for taking the time out of your life to help others. For those who don’t appreciate your efforts then they should just look elsewhere.
Used in conjuction with your vid and a gas rate check you'll find this issue for sure, it could completely throw your gas analyser into an absolute emergency situation too as combustion process will be completely incomplete I'm sure..thank you for your time and enlightening vids..invaluable!!
Don't ever stop sharing the information you have Kev. Excellent tutorials and never boring, great diagram btw 😉. Thank you Allen for bringing a great Team together and sharing their wealth of knowledge 👍.
Not boring at all. It's what we are here for. Should be common knowledge really. Back in the day, for example, we all knew what a thermocouple output voltage was expected to be. Thank you.
Mr Ideal your'e on the right track Engineering is all about the detail, listen carefully and absorb the information, because one day it might just be needed to get out of a fix and if not it still helps to build the bigger picture of what is actually happening inside the appliance, thanks.
Real world fault finding, top man Mr I, thanks for sharing and hope you take some satisfaction from knowing the help you give to many. Stay safe fella and again thank you.
Don't ever under value your knowledge buddy. I have been doing this for over 45 years and every days is a school day. Appreciate the background to the problem and the solution.
Amazing video , if it’s a blocked burner then there would have been poor performance on the heating side aswell , am I right ? I miss this guys video’s, he’s the best😊
I had this exact fault a few months back, pulling my hair out with it, rang technical loads of times, went through everything you said, before I gave up and put it down to main heat exchanger being blocked and unable to clear, so in went a new unit. Wish I had seen this before
That is a brilliant fitting to push onto the gas nipple, where did you get it? This is such an AMAZING vid, he takes his time to explain things, he doesn't rush. More of his vids on your channel would be such a great addition.
Just wondering that if you haven’t got a micro amp scale on your multi meter can you set to milli amps and convert the reading or will you not get a correct reading …..thanks 👍
Yet again a great video mr ideal as I'm having a problem with a ES 35 gas consumption incorrect on central heating its correct 24 kw 2.55 m3h but on max I'm only getting 2.2 m3h yet 19mbar inlet pressure checked benchmark and installer when new had the same readings boiler was just serviced only 6 years old any ideas new gas valve or should I do the test and check the micro amps . Cheers
If your doing it on service mode max in heating again getting 24kw, that is fine as it stays in max, if your suggesting that on hot water you can’t achieve the rating you require it may be because the heat ex has reached temperature and the thermistor is modulating it down, and if the boiler and all the outlets are functioning correctly I would not concern yourself too much, unless it is causing a problem.
Fabulous video priceless information believe me especially last job on a Friday evening. Is it a must to change the main heat exchanger gasket when burner has been removed?
Not if it’s in good condition, if it’s really flat and turning white then I would, I usually give them 3-4 years maximum before I replace. But it’s your call really
Makes a lot of sense. The MI's seldom give the correct solution. Most faults I attend have been dirty boilers due to lack of proper servicing by the big players. 10 minutes and £25 to the engineers is not a service.
quick question, if the burner baffle was blocked, wouldn't gas rating show this as well? i'm thinking the fan will struggle to suck up the gas from gas valve and push the gas air mixer through the burner baffle?
Yeah it would. I’m a British Gas engineer. Every service on a pre mix burner had to be gas rated. If it was 10% below or 5% above the kw rating of the appliance then we’d have to investigate why. ANY kind of restriction of the gas - undersized gas pipe, blocked injector, burner would cause this.
Ideal logic + heat 12 incomplete combustion on service low fire but fine on high. I striped serviced the boiler but same issue, it is also making a loud whistling and rumbling noise on low fire service mode. I flushed the heat exchanger, cleaned out the condense, cleaned the Venturi and injector but no luck. I changed the gas valve and also tried a new injector but still no luck. The next option is the the burner top unless anyone else has any ideas?
I would probably say ‘ I doubt it, but I have not tried tbh, although being in my position o wouldn’t try because I would just get a new one off the van rather than waste time. But if you do happen to try let me know. 😂
@@kevincranfield5235 i will try next time i come across it and let you know if it works.. or not. Thans for your time and effort making these videos, as a former manufacturers eng doing the same job as you, ive learned something from then and can tell you would make a good trainer
I’ve got an f2 fault on a independent 35. Tried this and my reading are way higher than these rather than lower. What could that be? Really stuck with this, boiler has been stripped and double checked. Any help appreciated
Mr Ideal, Ignore the tw#ts ! i'm long in the trade ( 40 yrs soon) and like Allen, ALWAYS learn something from your comprehensive videos, so thank-you for taking the time. A question for you, have you ever gas rated a blocked logic burner and if so what was the outcome?? (in comparison to the micro amps) Cheers. :-)
I’m sorry pal I can’t really help you with that one, I only really ever gas rate the appliance when I’ve finished either servicing it or repairing it, I don’t think I’ve ever done one whilst in the middle of a job.
@@kevincranfield5235 No worries, thanks for the reply. I sometimes gas rate during fault finding and find it useful for pointing me in the right direction.
3yr Old Ideal Logic Rumble at low Burn... Injector fully cleaned. Venturi tube cleaned. New Burner fitted. New Gas Valve fitted. Main Heat Exchanger Flushed through/Cleaned from above with Burner removed. ....and its still rumbling at low burn! After years of dealing with this issue on the Ideal Logic Range I've found it's basically Pot luck as to which of the above remedies the rumble at low burn but nothing has cured this one. I've found If you partially restrict the air flow through the venturi the rumble stops everytime
I’ve got a few like this currently got one rumbling badly. Changed the same parts as you and a new flue. Then day two working pressure is low. Sgn are doing a new supply and governor. Will see what happens next week
Good things always take time to get across, a good teacher always thinks of all the students. Many thanks for that really useful indeed. Rwgards THE GAS WIZARDZ
That wouldn’t work, the differences may be negligible on a gas rate. Also it may tell you that there is an issue with volume consumption but it would not tell you whether it was the burrner, injector, gas valve or even supply pipe. So a gas rate would not help sorry.
This is great video ! ive got customer with very similar problem and after 2 visits and even consulting Ideal technical i could not find the problem. will try this. I just wonder if its possible to wash burner and clean or do i need a new one?
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Not boring at all. You've provided a new insight into fault finding one of those faults sent to drive you mad. Thank you Mr Ideal, and Allen.
P.S This is the type of stuff that should be being taught on the courses ! Ideal, vaillant , baxi take note, not saying you're bad, but this is the real fault finding stuff that lads need to know .. 🙌🏼
Anyone who says get over it or it’s boring can piss off your videos are great keep it up
Think this guy would be a great addition to viva training , even if only one day a week , so much knowledge and explains the info so well..
Please keep the videos coming MR ideal man , have watched all the videos you have sent Allen and every time I come away with a clear understanding of what your trying to get across .. Cannot express highly enough how great I think your videos are . Thank you so much and keep up the great work Allen
Allen, "WTF" pet hair compromising a new boiler. I have had loads of the old dust problems with gas fire oxypilots but never thought a cat could stop a boiler. Please keep this great gas engineer onboard.
This information is absolutely GOLD DUST. Top marks to you mate for sharing your knowledge.
That guy knows his stuff 👊🏻. Keep them coming
Great video, thank you for taking the time out of your life to help others.
For those who don’t appreciate your efforts then they should just look elsewhere.
Used in conjuction with your vid and a gas rate check you'll find this issue for sure, it could completely throw your gas analyser into an absolute emergency situation too as combustion process will be completely incomplete I'm sure..thank you for your time and enlightening vids..invaluable!!
Thanks enjoyed that. The video on dirty jets and venturi tubes has saved me several times already .
Glad it helped
Don't ever stop sharing the information you have Kev. Excellent tutorials and never boring, great diagram btw 😉.
Thank you Allen for bringing a great Team together and sharing their wealth of knowledge 👍.
Thanks man. 👍
Fantastic wee tip!! The Logic is a great boiler & so simple to install, service & repair👍👍
Not boring at all. It's what we are here for. Should be common knowledge really. Back in the day, for example, we all knew what a thermocouple output voltage was expected to be. Thank you.
Write a book please mate.This info is priceless
Excellent video. Very informative. Thanks
Great video, thanks for taking time out to show us
Great video, good info, thanks for posting this Allan hart 👍🏻😀
Thank you another great video👍🏿
It could not be explained any better, great job
Mr Ideal your'e on the right track Engineering is all about the detail, listen carefully and absorb the information, because one day it might just be needed to get out of a fix and if not it still helps to build the bigger picture of what is actually happening inside the appliance, thanks.
Thanks for The explanation!
Brilliant. Thanks for taking the time to share your knowledge.
This guy is the goat … love it dude ❤❤
Thank You
Well worth knowing
Thanks Alan.
Spot on m8 , I work on ideal a lot and everthing you do is on the money.
Great diagram, brilliant explanation. Ignore anyone who says you're going on too long. Thanks Allen and Ideal engineer
Fantastic video, thanks for taking the time and effort to produce this video 👍👍
You sir are a real gem.
Thanks for sharing your remarkable knowledge and insight
Great knowledge👍 really appreciate it. Learning all the time. Thanks
quality insight of your ionisation checks very good knowledge 👏👏👏
Cheers Allen and Mr ideal 😎
Love this guy he’s up there with Geoffrey for great training.
Absolutely brilliant 👏 thanks
Great video man, keep up the good work
Great video. Don't listen to others, just keep them coming nice and informative.
Real world fault finding, top man Mr I, thanks for sharing and hope you take some satisfaction from knowing the help you give to many. Stay safe fella and again thank you.
Great video, well explained.
Thank you
Good man! Really appreciated.
Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge
Extremely interesting! 👌🏼
Quality video as always. If ye ain't learning, you're slacking.
Brilliant informative vid......thank you
Fantastic video, I work on a lot of logics 👏👏
Great information !!!
Great information 👍👍👍
Great video
Don't ever under value your knowledge buddy. I have been doing this for over 45 years and every days is a school day. Appreciate the background to the problem and the solution.
Great video. If I can understand how it works I can understand when it doesn’t
Amazing video , if it’s a blocked burner then there would have been poor performance on the heating side aswell , am I right ?
I miss this guys video’s, he’s the best😊
Thank you very much for sharing your knowledge with us.
Keep em coming, great length don’t shorten them at all
I had this exact fault a few months back, pulling my hair out with it, rang technical loads of times, went through everything you said, before I gave up and put it down to main heat exchanger being blocked and unable to clear, so in went a new unit. Wish I had seen this before
Had the same problem with ideal took me ages to figure it was the burner great to know for future
Great video
Thanks
Glad you enjoyed it
Great help Mr Ideal, thank you. What would the microamps be for 12 and 15kW heat only Logic boilers? 3uA min again?
Magic Alan 🎉🎉
That is a brilliant fitting to push onto the gas nipple, where did you get it? This is such an AMAZING vid, he takes his time to explain things, he doesn't rush. More of his vids on your channel would be such a great addition.
Thanks for the heart, but do you know where he got that attachment
Brilliant 👏👏👏 thank you
Glad you liked it!
A thinking man well done..............
Just wondering that if you haven’t got a micro amp scale on your multi meter can you set to milli amps and convert the reading or will you not get a correct reading …..thanks 👍
Top info thank you
thanks for sharing
I really enjoy his training. Ignore the naysayers.
Great vid m8. Im stuck on a noisy ideal throwing up an F3 fault. I've taken the venturi out and cleaned it and still noisy 😢
Thank You
Cracking video 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Legend!
very good video
Micro Amp testing will go in my fault finding index book. Thanks Ideal Man
Great!
Yet again a great video mr ideal as I'm having a problem with a ES 35 gas consumption incorrect on central heating its correct 24 kw 2.55 m3h but on max I'm only getting 2.2 m3h yet 19mbar inlet pressure checked benchmark and installer when new had the same readings boiler was just serviced only 6 years old any ideas new gas valve or should I do the test and check the micro amps . Cheers
If your doing it on service mode max in heating again getting 24kw, that is fine as it stays in max, if your suggesting that on hot water you can’t achieve the rating you require it may be because the heat ex has reached temperature and the thermistor is modulating it down, and if the boiler and all the outlets are functioning correctly I would not concern yourself too much, unless it is causing a problem.
Fabulous video priceless information believe me especially last job on a Friday evening. Is it a must to change the main heat exchanger gasket when burner has been removed?
Not if it’s in good condition, if it’s really flat and turning white then I would, I usually give them 3-4 years maximum before I replace. But it’s your call really
Thanks Kevin👍
Helpful video 👍🏻
Glad it was helpful!
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What's this guys channel called, would love to see more of his video's.
What a geek,, love it
Makes a lot of sense. The MI's seldom give the correct solution. Most faults I attend have been dirty boilers due to lack of proper servicing by the big players. 10 minutes and £25 to the engineers is not a service.
quick question, if the burner baffle was blocked, wouldn't gas rating show this as well?
i'm thinking the fan will struggle to suck up the gas from gas valve and push the gas air mixer through the burner baffle?
Handy tip.
Just been editing your videos. Thanks so much.
If people think it is too long a video don’t watch I really think it helps alot
Would a blocked burner cause the gas rate to be low on maximum output and cause a droning noise on ignition?
Yeah it would. I’m a British Gas engineer. Every service on a pre mix burner had to be gas rated. If it was 10% below or 5% above the kw rating of the appliance then we’d have to investigate why. ANY kind of restriction of the gas - undersized gas pipe, blocked injector, burner would cause this.
Ideal logic + heat 12 incomplete combustion on service low fire but fine on high. I striped serviced the boiler but same issue, it is also making a loud whistling and rumbling noise on low fire service mode. I flushed the heat exchanger, cleaned out the condense, cleaned the Venturi and injector but no luck. I changed the gas valve and also tried a new injector but still no luck. The next option is the the burner top unless anyone else has any ideas?
Is it possible to clean the burner baffles ? ie, attaching a small crevice device to a vac hose
I would probably say ‘ I doubt it, but I have not tried tbh, although being in my position o wouldn’t try because I would just get a new one off the van rather than waste time. But if you do happen to try let me know. 😂
@@kevincranfield5235 i will try next time i come across it and let you know if it works.. or not.
Thans for your time and effort making these videos, as a former manufacturers eng doing the same job as you, ive learned something from then and can tell you would make a good trainer
Could the burner being blocked, cause a noisy ignition and high CO on the air integrity?
Thanks
Thank you
So would 7uf on a 30kw indicate a blocked burner
I’ve got an f2 fault on a independent 35. Tried this and my reading are way higher than these rather than lower. What could that be? Really stuck with this, boiler has been stripped and double checked. Any help appreciated
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Mr Ideal, Ignore the tw#ts ! i'm long in the trade ( 40 yrs soon) and like Allen, ALWAYS learn something from your comprehensive videos, so thank-you for taking the time.
A question for you, have you ever gas rated a blocked logic burner and if so what was the outcome?? (in comparison to the micro amps)
Cheers. :-)
I’m sorry pal I can’t really help you with that one, I only really ever gas rate the appliance when I’ve finished either servicing it or repairing it, I don’t think I’ve ever done one whilst in the middle of a job.
@@kevincranfield5235 No worries, thanks for the reply. I sometimes gas rate during fault finding and find it useful for pointing me in the right direction.
screen shot these readings and put them in my work file. Another one for the armoury.
Surely with a blocked burner the gas rate on Max will be under?
3yr Old Ideal Logic Rumble at low Burn...
Injector fully cleaned.
Venturi tube cleaned.
New Burner fitted.
New Gas Valve fitted.
Main Heat Exchanger Flushed through/Cleaned from above with Burner removed.
....and its still rumbling at low burn!
After years of dealing with this issue on the Ideal Logic Range I've found it's basically Pot luck as to which of the above remedies the rumble at low burn but nothing has cured this one.
I've found If you partially restrict the air flow through the venturi the rumble stops everytime
It will need a new pcb. Call and get it replaced under warranty. The minimum fan speed will be set wrong on the board.
I’ve got a few like this currently got one rumbling badly. Changed the same parts as you and a new flue. Then day two working pressure is low. Sgn are doing a new supply and governor. Will see what happens next week
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Good things always take time to get across, a good teacher always thinks of all the students. Many thanks for that really useful indeed. Rwgards THE GAS WIZARDZ
Brilliant video, can't believe 9 bellends gave it a thumbs down ...
Thank You.
another way is to gas rate on hi & low
That wouldn’t work, the differences may be negligible on a gas rate. Also it may tell you that there is an issue with volume consumption but it would not tell you whether it was the burrner, injector, gas valve or even supply pipe. So a gas rate would not help sorry.
This is great video ! ive got customer with very similar problem and after 2 visits and even consulting Ideal technical i could not find the problem. will try this. I just wonder if its possible to wash burner and clean or do i need a new one?
Keep an old burner .
How does a cat's hair get in there? This is a room sealed appliance
i said it in the vidoe. the cat had clawed the rubber bung off the flue where you test the O2.
Poor out side air quality .
Thanks
Thank You