Gas Training - How To Test A Boiler Fan - Combi Boiler

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  • @shaundavey1170
    @shaundavey1170 3 года назад +55

    Over the last 16 years I have been on Vaillant, Worcester ,Ferroli, and Baxi training courses. Although I have learnt something every time there are always engineers at different stages of knowledge, so you never seem to get to the technical end of the fault finding. IE testing the different gas valves,fans, pumps, pcb’s relay’s capacitors and so on. We have to try and diagnose faults on all make and models, which is sometimes frustrating and can be costly when making a wrong decision. I probably have a £1000 worth of parts in my cupboard that I diagnosed wrong over the years (I’m not to proud to admit that). These videos have been a god send. it’s much easier when you see the videos rather than reading from the manuals. Not sure how you find the time but thank you Alan, ideal engineer, heating geek, tomcat and all the other engineers that I have found on u tube willing to share there knowledge. As you have said in the past Alan, it’s a lonely trade fault finding. sometimes very rewarding and a nightmare on others. Shame these ideal videos are coming to an end. .

    • @AllenHart999
      @AllenHart999  3 года назад +4

      Thank You

    • @stewartharrod1706
      @stewartharrod1706 3 года назад +3

      So true - fantastic video that really helps you understand the electronic and mechanical workings 💪

    • @deepakparmar2717
      @deepakparmar2717 2 года назад +2

      Thanks 🙏🏻

  • @955trainboy
    @955trainboy 3 года назад +5

    Thank you. A good explanation of PWM. You say your not a trainer, well my friend I have news for you. You ARE a trainer.

  • @1Monaghan
    @1Monaghan 3 года назад +13

    There’s something about learning from guys who are actually on the job rather than a training centre that makes it more realistic. The mix of both types of videos help so much. Thanks mr ideal. Hopefully you reconsider.

  • @johnburns4017
    @johnburns4017 3 года назад +14

    Thanks. Just to add some value, as many are confused by the zero/negative pressure gas valves.
    A *zero/negative pressure* gas valve. When the outlet of the gas valve is at atmospheric pressure it is *off* - no gas passes through. When pressure at the outlet is detected that is below atmospheric, it opens. The valve does this by sensing pressures - mechanically, not electrically. The fan creates that negative pressure on its negative (inlet) side. The other side of the fan is positive pressure. Well actually it is a _compressor,_ as it compresses premixed gas and air sending it to a burner, but manufacturers retain the name fan.
    The more the pressure is _negative,_ (the faster the compressor turns) the more the gas valve opens allowing more gas to pass through the valve into the mixing chamber, mixing with air, then to the burner. It *must* sense a _negative_ pressure before it can open. So, the faster the fan turns the more gas is drawn into the mixing chamber, as the more the gas valve opens. This gradual opening of the gas valve is all by pressure on its outlet port, not electrics. There are no electrical proving switches to detect the compressor (fan) is operating.
    The negative pressure on the outlet of the gas valve proves that the combustion fan is running, so no electrical _fan switches_ are needed. The gas valve contains an electric solenoid to ensure the gas is permanently off when the compressor (fan) is not turning.
    Usually in the centre of the air entry port of the compressor (fan) is a small venturi just above the gas valve, so the effect of the rushing air sucks gas from the gas valve which is mixed with air in the mixing chamber just before the compressor (fan). The mix is not a perfect air-gas mix (stoichiometric), have excess air to prevent sooting. The gas-air ratio is normally adjusted in the gas valve, so more or less gas is sucked by this venturi effect, making the air/gas mix richer or leaner.
    Most manufacturers just ask for the CO2 in the flue gasses to be checked then the air/gas ratio adjusted to achieve specification - which is different for all manufacturers. Some ask for you to set fan speeds with some asking to monitor differential pressure and additionally at the same time check CO2 for both max and min settings. Some manufacturers are confident that they have set it all correctly as it left the factory and don't even want it monitored.
    But the main principle is that the venturi effect at the inlet of the compressor (fan) ensures a slightly leaner than stoichiometric mix. So, the burner is fed a stoichiometric mix which is ignited as it is blasted into the combustion chamber.
    The speed of the compressor (fan) essentially determines the size of the flame - the higher the speed the more gas is sucked in to be premixed. The lower the speed the less gas is drawn in. This is full burner modulation. Makers have been R&Ding the variables in all this setup having some compressors (fans), gas valves, and burners sucking a very low volume of gas, allowing boilers to modulate at lower kW rates.

  • @jamesculligan862
    @jamesculligan862 2 года назад +2

    Mr.Ideal thank you for your videos I hope you reconsider and keep posting because they are the best I've watched.

  • @helendavies923
    @helendavies923 3 года назад +6

    Mr Ideal, Thank you so much for this video and for clearly explaining how PWM controls the fan and pump speeds. Your job title may not include the word 'trainer' but you are a great teacher. Thank you again.

  • @alisonsimmonds9239
    @alisonsimmonds9239 3 года назад +6

    One of the best videos I have seen, we need more of this more advanced testing. Thank you

    • @AllenHart999
      @AllenHart999  3 года назад +1

      Mr Ideal is an amazing trainer. Thanks.

  • @keithbrueton
    @keithbrueton 3 года назад +8

    Thanks for the time you've put into the channel Mr Ideal

  • @neiljones9005
    @neiljones9005 3 года назад +2

    Brilliant this guy is better than any trainer because he’s out there

  • @shannonharris7126
    @shannonharris7126 3 года назад +9

    Thanks “Mr ideal man” and Alan.sharing your knowledge is a great power,power for the good👍

  • @Tampo-tiger
    @Tampo-tiger 2 года назад +2

    Allen, you are a very rare person in that you explain things really clearly and don't confuse the novice engineer. I have just learnt from you PWM - an acronym I knew the wording of from my solar panel mucking about but had no idea what it meant technically. If you don't run a school for engineers then you really could, and it would be very successful. I paid £3000 for a Gas Safe course and it barely touched on the mechanics and fault finding of boilers, let alone such advanced stuff as PWM. Thank you SO much for your help.

  • @johmcinally3521
    @johmcinally3521 3 года назад +3

    Best description I have heard of PWM fan control.

  • @jamesweston2437
    @jamesweston2437 3 года назад +2

    Thanks so much, fantastic advice that is very hard to get in this much detail. Shame it’s your last video, thanks again.

    • @AllenHart999
      @AllenHart999  3 года назад

      He is back ruclips.net/video/gQhdZpN-TZk/видео.html

  • @craigmcgregor5463
    @craigmcgregor5463 3 года назад +2

    Personally like him and Roy. Would like to see more of his videos too. No harm in all the videos. Really enjoy them all and some helpful material. Hopefully he continues to do them. It's appreciated.
    Thanks everyone.

    • @AllenHart999
      @AllenHart999  3 года назад +1

      They are both amazing. Thanks.

  • @robertwhite4919
    @robertwhite4919 3 года назад +13

    Mr Ideal, thanks for the video's, you shouldn't worry about not being a trainer, you got the information across well, it's not easy making videos I wouldn't know were to start. It's always good to someone else explanation of how things work, field experience is always good to pass on especially to those of us that don't get to work on may of these boilers .thanks again

    • @AllenHart999
      @AllenHart999  3 года назад +1

      Thanks.

    • @millerstefan2137
      @millerstefan2137 3 года назад

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      I was dumb forgot my login password. I would love any help you can offer me.

    • @millerstefan2137
      @millerstefan2137 3 года назад

      @Melvin Reuben i really appreciate your reply. I got to the site on google and I'm trying it out atm.
      Looks like it's gonna take quite some time so I will get back to you later when my account password hopefully is recovered.

    • @millerstefan2137
      @millerstefan2137 3 года назад

      @Melvin Reuben It did the trick and I actually got access to my account again. Im so happy:D
      Thank you so much, you really help me out!

    • @melvinreuben19
      @melvinreuben19 3 года назад

      @Miller Stefan you are welcome :)

  • @kevj1964
    @kevj1964 3 года назад +7

    Such a Shame his video's were brilliant, so informative. Cheers Mr Ideal.

  • @michaelorourke3997
    @michaelorourke3997 3 года назад +3

    I could listen to Mr. Ideal all day, what a wealth of knowledge. I don't think Roy would mind sharing the stage with Mr. Ideal, I actually think it would benefit us more. Roy doing the Baxi and Mr. Ideal doing the Ideal. That's sorted then, looking forward to your next video Mr. Ideal.

    • @AllenHart999
      @AllenHart999  3 года назад +1

      We have room for everyone on here. No problem at all. Thanks.

  • @kpereira8910
    @kpereira8910 2 года назад

    Thank you Mr.Ideal man and Mr. Allen Hart. Highly appreciate what y'all doing here. thanks again.

  • @patg4362
    @patg4362 3 года назад +6

    Very well explained shame it’s going to be your last video Thank you for your input

  • @leejones6579
    @leejones6579 3 года назад +3

    Thanks for all you're time ,and passing on your knowledge on boiler much appreciated 👍 👏

  • @desdiamond5700
    @desdiamond5700 3 года назад +4

    Very well explained, on a difficult part to diagnose. Brilliant video by Mr Ideal.👍

  • @rohanhughes3683
    @rohanhughes3683 3 года назад +2

    Am new to the gas industry and these videos really help me. Thank you

  • @gasfitter78
    @gasfitter78 3 года назад +4

    Thank you Mr ideal. Allen could you pass on my appreciation for what he's done.

  • @markbrown3535
    @markbrown3535 3 года назад +1

    Great video straight forward on the tools training .. shame it's the last one .. Helped me out on the ideal boilers testing fans the right way .. Thanks Mr Ideal

  • @gregmartin352
    @gregmartin352 3 года назад +2

    Thanks Mr Ideal. Great video. Always good to see how other engineers work.

  • @666johns
    @666johns 3 года назад +3

    Thank you Mr Ideal for making life easier.

  • @jackhoskins722
    @jackhoskins722 3 года назад +3

    Really appreciate your videos mr ideal I work on these boilers everyday so the testing you do is brilliant and really helps hopefully you can change your mind and make more videos

  • @rajeshbangera6149
    @rajeshbangera6149 3 года назад +2

    Thank you for the video. It is very helpful for trainees like us when we come across fan issues. Really appreciate. Cheers

  • @julianhawker7672
    @julianhawker7672 3 года назад +3

    Thankyou Mr Ideal for all your time ,effort and really informative videos. I wouldn't worry about the fact that your not a trainer, your videos are easily as good as anything I have ever had on any manufacturers training day, hope you reconsider at some point. Cheers. :-)

  • @abubhakar1661
    @abubhakar1661 Год назад +1

    just watched this video, on 1st January 2023, happy new year all, and Allen, your doing a fab job and thank you to the gentleman that made this video, it was really good and helped me understand better about how a positive fan pressure zero governer works to push the air/gas ration into the heat exchanger and how the pwm plays its part in modulating. god bless you all !!

  • @tomsewell3210
    @tomsewell3210 3 года назад +2

    Thanks for your videos Mr Ideal man, they are invaluable when faced with boiler issues. Also cheers again to Allen for the channel!

  • @kevinbrown6066
    @kevinbrown6066 3 года назад +2

    Alan I have only just seen this 🙄 a big thank you to Ideal Man.

    • @AllenHart999
      @AllenHart999  3 года назад +1

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  • @jayhambleton5834
    @jayhambleton5834 3 года назад +2

    Mr ideal man your videos have got to be best on this channel. Helped me loads so thanks from me. Hopefully see some more from you in future. Allen great content mate, keeps getting better and better. Thanks mate

  • @williamhopehogson5927
    @williamhopehogson5927 3 года назад +3

    He's missed his way. A natural teacher. It's a gift. Thanks so much for making it so easy to grasp.

  • @andyjones7836
    @andyjones7836 3 года назад +3

    A very good video, which completely discribes how the fan is controlled, we will miss you Mr Ideal man....... unless🤔🤔🤔🤔

  • @micmac69
    @micmac69 Год назад

    Just found this video. Really appreciate your time and explanations. A good enginerer should never stop learning an i'm 61 now!!

  • @RMo-wr5rl
    @RMo-wr5rl 21 день назад

    I agree I've been working in gas for 30 years, there were no videos then ,just manuals, and so many different difficult boilers ,parts were hard to get not many suppliers, not enoughtraining ,and another thing we had to solder a lot ,now they have press fitt. which makes the job so easy

  • @RobertBacon470
    @RobertBacon470 3 года назад +2

    Mr Ideal thanks for sharing your knowledge great video very well explained I agree Roys agreat trainer but I believe you are also gifted in sharing your obvoius skill and experience, I wish you good health for the future thank you once again also thanks Allen for providing the platform for this to happen all the best Rob

  • @JDBpast
    @JDBpast 2 года назад

    Great video. You explained everything loud and clear! Thank you!

  • @gokulpatel8001
    @gokulpatel8001 3 года назад +2

    Hi It was good video with important and logical information. Surely helped me to understand the fan operation for condensing boilers.
    Thanks.

  • @wahabtahir9143
    @wahabtahir9143 3 года назад +2

    It’s amazing and very informative video. I hope you will bring more videos like this. Thanks for making this video.

    • @AllenHart999
      @AllenHart999  3 года назад +1

      ruclips.net/video/gQhdZpN-TZk/видео.html

  • @marksenior1179
    @marksenior1179 3 года назад +2

    Thanks for such an in depth video, just Ideal.

  • @amarkhan3867
    @amarkhan3867 3 года назад +3

    Fantastic thank you for sharing. Actually something which will be useful to all. Its takes a lot of time to put these videos together therefore thank you for making the time and educating us all. Amazing stuff and actually well put together to Mr Ideal.

  • @geoffersgra
    @geoffersgra 9 месяцев назад

    Excellent video. So informative & defo a great help. Never too old to learn something new

  • @rabiebhoy924
    @rabiebhoy924 Год назад +1

    Massive help to understand Thank you Mr Ideal

    • @AllenHart999
      @AllenHart999  Год назад

      Glad to hear that!

    • @AllenHart999
      @AllenHart999  Год назад

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  • @petercarter9866
    @petercarter9866 3 года назад +2

    Really interesting never knew what signal was or how to test thanks MR ideal

  • @jameshawkins5280
    @jameshawkins5280 3 года назад +2

    Yes a real shame mr ideal was a great help shame the boiler manufacturers dont do more like this too help out the breakdown boys like myself as it's good to watch the videos a few time so it sinks in. Good luck and let's hope he returns at a later date .

  • @melvinevans9981
    @melvinevans9981 3 года назад +2

    Thanks for your great videos mate wish that guy the best
    I spotted some of his videos and he might say he's not a trainer but have learnt so much on testing ideal boilers
    What a great human being and a credit to the gas game
    Make sure you take him for a pint when the jailer frees us from lockdown 🖖

  • @Ttrruussttggoodd
    @Ttrruussttggoodd 3 года назад +1

    Your a great engineer thank you , very informative , sorry to see you go mate , good luck with the future my friend

  • @BobSmith-fg3rv
    @BobSmith-fg3rv Месяц назад

    Brilliant video, many thanks for sharing your knowledge...Good luck.

  • @rayc1503
    @rayc1503 3 года назад +3

    Thumbs up before I've watched. Excellent tutorial guys 👍. We'll be sad to see Mr ideal go.

  • @johnmoore3569
    @johnmoore3569 2 года назад

    Good video, like having operational engineers viewpoint as you are sharing your experience, not just focussing on the topic and those additional background comments are full of information.

  • @alryan37
    @alryan37 3 года назад

    Excellent video, told in layman's terms. easy to digest information.

  • @Aw4ken3d
    @Aw4ken3d 3 года назад +1

    So freakin understundable, big respect.

  • @anthonygaunt8974
    @anthonygaunt8974 3 года назад +1

    Great teacher and remember every days a learning day🤗

  • @georgerobinson576
    @georgerobinson576 3 года назад +3

    Thats great, its a good help for me ,working on these boilers alot im diffinetly gonna have a look next time im servicing one. but a big thanks to you for you time

  • @paulharry3221
    @paulharry3221 2 года назад +1

    Thanks for sharing your experience.
    Its appreciated.

  • @marka4706
    @marka4706 3 года назад +2

    thanku for your time mr ideal engineer

  • @russellproctor2061
    @russellproctor2061 3 года назад +2

    Thanks for your top tips helped me loads

  • @liamcuzzy
    @liamcuzzy 3 года назад +2

    Top top video!
    One of the best on the channel!

  • @ravindersidhu9417
    @ravindersidhu9417 Год назад +1

    Done well good job good luck R.sidhu

    • @AllenHart999
      @AllenHart999  Год назад +1

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  • @paulbrown1079
    @paulbrown1079 3 года назад +1

    Great video good luck for the future

  • @peteobrien7614
    @peteobrien7614 3 года назад +2

    Mr. Ideal Man that was a very informative video. 👍

  • @johngrimes4848
    @johngrimes4848 3 года назад +1

    Thanks lads, new to the gas side and found video helpful😉😉

  • @alivarol4700
    @alivarol4700 3 года назад +2

    Excellent trainer
    Should consider mate
    Thank you

  • @RMo-wr5rl
    @RMo-wr5rl 21 день назад

    Good video Please make some more on fault finding on ideal boilers.

  • @Sarries-fh7ri
    @Sarries-fh7ri 3 года назад +2

    Mr ideal, thank you so much for the information you have shared it’s been very much appreciated. Top man. I mainly work on Baxi and vaillants but the contract I’m working on they have started fitting logic combi c30’s so it’s a good heads up on how to check bits in the future. Again thank you and all the best👍

  • @davidbirri9947
    @davidbirri9947 3 года назад +1

    Excellent video,learnt a lot....

  • @jamesknowles550
    @jamesknowles550 2 года назад

    Hi -- thanks for your top videos -- iv'e been a gas engineer for 47 years and been to many Ideal Logics + many other condenscing boilers with fan problems + but to be honest iv'e never fully undertood the wireing to the fans -- i've always known there was a permanent 240 volt ac supply + a pcb on the fan but not known the voltages of the dc wires -- one thing i've known + other engineers too is be careful when you diconnect the fan on removal when servicing -- coz a few times when its been reconnected its blown when re -testing the boiler !! -- and thats been with always dis-connecting with the power fully off to the boiler ! -- i think its better trying to remove the fan with the 240 vlt permanent supply still connected !! -- i know care is needed . but the wires are normally long enough to remove it still connected -- thanks for shareing your knowledge -- JIM

  • @cowasakiElectronics
    @cowasakiElectronics 2 года назад

    Thank you very much. I am an electrician but I don’t know about boilers, more computers and valve amplifiers. Just watched your video and having noted what each connector was took them off and cleaned them. My boiler now works again. Although I think my pocket wishes it was still faulty! Anyway thanks again.
    Oh well. It worked till I turned off the hit tap. When I turned it on again it failed again. The fan shudders for a second when powered on.

    • @kevincranfield5235
      @kevincranfield5235 2 года назад

      The Hall effect sensor on the fan has failed unfortunately

  • @bertybone
    @bertybone 3 месяца назад +1

    BRILLANT

  • @ivangoodall1
    @ivangoodall1 Год назад

    Mr Ideal...genius....been looking for some videos like this for a long time. Sorry to hear your going, but thanks for your vids.
    If Allen or anyone else can point me in the right direction or provide links to watch more of your vids then I would be extremely grateful. All the best 👍

  • @hazelbulgin638
    @hazelbulgin638 3 года назад +2

    Great video lots of good information 👍

  • @tjrugette6884
    @tjrugette6884 Год назад

    Thank you so much gents, please keep it going 🙏

  • @timhancock6626
    @timhancock6626 3 года назад

    The fan on my own Logic Heat 18 sometimes whistles, and sometimes doesn't. Since I put the Ideal weather comp kit on, it runs at lower demand and is quieter.....at least that's my impression. I've checked all the flue seals but have never got to the bottom of the whistling as it's borderline acceptable anyway. It's on now and not whistling...typical 😊 Many thanks Mr Ideal Engineer and best wishes to you.

  • @Mastergas-r7n
    @Mastergas-r7n 3 года назад +1

    Love the video guys, brilliant job ideal guy 🙏🏻🙏🏻

  • @john-paulcox918
    @john-paulcox918 3 года назад +2

    Another great video .

  • @kevinwright1689
    @kevinwright1689 3 года назад +1

    Thanks very much for the information

  • @deanwilby7908
    @deanwilby7908 Год назад

    Really good and helpful brilliant 👍

  • @paulsmith2931
    @paulsmith2931 3 года назад +3

    Great video, need to write all this info down now though, memories not so good now days

  • @faridratni6799
    @faridratni6799 3 года назад +1

    Excellent video Thanks

  • @tonywardell3411
    @tonywardell3411 3 года назад +2

    Brilliant video very informative 👏👏👏

  • @plumbertales8772
    @plumbertales8772 3 года назад +3

    Sorry to see you go mate I think it’s good to see other engineers take on boilers, I’ve sent some in to Allen but obviously no where near the level you are, they are very informative and have helped me immensely 👍🏻

  • @davidb2464
    @davidb2464 3 года назад +3

    Hi Allen, all of these video's are great, just wondering if you could add in the possible symptoms of why I would be doing this, for instance, if 'such and such is happening with the boiler', this might be a possible remedy. Even better, if you could do a video on some of the things that go wrong with a boiler, ie, water keeps getting hot then cold, boiler initially lights then tries to re-ignite, then things like, this could mean a blocked secondary heat exchanger (you then direct us to your video explaining this). Although if you have already done one, could you point me in that direction. This is just something that would help us new guys to make more informed diagnosis'. Thanks in advance.

    • @frosty_soda
      @frosty_soda 3 года назад

      @Allan Hart did you ever do this video?

  • @henrybartlett1986
    @henrybartlett1986 2 года назад

    Very useful. Many thanks.

  • @grahammclelland5066
    @grahammclelland5066 2 года назад

    Thanks very much! Useful stuff!!

  • @SproutyPottedPlant
    @SproutyPottedPlant 3 года назад +2

    I love watching gas and HVACR videos 😀👍🌱 for interest and to learn how it works. I like that the board just sends the low voltage PWM signal and the fan does all the hard work,I guess that means less likely for PCB to break and suffer thermal stress!

  • @jonmay289
    @jonmay289 2 года назад

    Thanks for your videos, they really do help 👏👏 good luck for the future sir 🙏

  • @stevehouse3904
    @stevehouse3904 2 года назад

    Great video, but I had difficulty with the sound quality, especially at the beginning, is it my computer or my speakers, I get good audio on most other RUclips videos?

  • @stefano8809
    @stefano8809 3 года назад +2

    Really useful. Thanks

  • @Mastergas-r7n
    @Mastergas-r7n Год назад

    Hi Alan
    Love the videos get advice from mr ideal ….
    Question
    Modulation wire going into fan black being neutral.
    What does the pink and yellow represent ??
    Are they one supply to fan, and one return to the board ????

  • @Declanjudge
    @Declanjudge 3 месяца назад

    Absolutely brilliant

  • @ashokrawal3820
    @ashokrawal3820 3 года назад +2

    Great Knowledgeable video.
    Thank you very much sir.
    Regards 👍🌹

  • @Zaine22
    @Zaine22 Год назад

    Are the colours of the wires and the voltage readings the same on all boilers or do they differ slightly. Great video thanks

  • @k.l7524
    @k.l7524 3 года назад +1

    First class Thank you

  • @davidhouston2257
    @davidhouston2257 11 месяцев назад

    Thank you mate that was really helpfull

  • @davidmarsden8868
    @davidmarsden8868 3 года назад +2

    Well done that man

  • @salbel
    @salbel Месяц назад

    Thank you for the video.

  • @darrenbarry4807
    @darrenbarry4807 3 года назад +2

    Maybe Mr Ideal could do occasional videos as it’s great to get onsite real world information warts and all.

    • @AllenHart999
      @AllenHart999  3 года назад +1

      ruclips.net/video/gQhdZpN-TZk/видео.html

  • @peterdaly9989
    @peterdaly9989 2 года назад

    Great video very informative, thank you!!