Swapped fn and ctrl keys are a must on thinkpads! The position of it is just right regardless if you press it with your thumb or pinky - you do not need to move your wrist for reaching the ctrl key as opposed to the fn key. If you try to reach the fn key multiple times a day without moving your wrist, you'll sooner or later get RSI by repetitive ulnar deviation. They did it right for programmers without drastically changing the keyboard layout like HHKB. People swapping them back should not consider a thinkpad at all.
10:30 the right ctrl key is positioned perfectly on these thinkpad layouts underneath the /? key and is one of my top priorities in a keyboard! I use the right shift and ctrl key for every combination where the left hand is involved
the tex is too loud for office environment - i have the good old lenonvo trackpoint sk8835 full size, been using it for 15 years now, and i simply cannot find a real replacement for it, nothing fulfills its function, it is the holy grail of keyboards to me
10:25 - That's your problem: it looks wild to me trying to press the Ctrl with the thumb instead of the pinky finger, as it should be. It's a completely irrational and clumsy trick. For me, this keyboard can not be the main one also for the reason that for me it is absolutely essential to have a numeric key pad.
It seems You are using left ctrl more then left alt. Also You are clicking left ctrl with your thumb. I think it would make sense for you to switch ctrl and alt keys. It can be done on Windows with autohotkey, on linux I think it can be done with xmodmap.
@@techmo2020 If you like it you should know this rabbit hole is deep. I have my caps lock mapped to backspace, '/' key replaced with right shift (so right shift is as close to my pinky as left shift is), '"' key (quote key) mapped to enter, and then some ctrl + something shortcuts to be able to type quotes and also ctrl + something to be able to type esc more easily. For some of that I needed sharp keys application on windows and autokey on linux. Have fun
@@techmo2020 Collegues keyboard does not have trackpoint, so I suffer no matter what. Seriously though, this is not as big of an issue. I think it is better to optimize everyday use
Thank you for showing me this! I was looking for something like this but didn't hear about this one until Google showed me your video. I've heard about people clear-coat painting their black M13 keyboards which also had the problem of the white color on the key caps wearing of, maybe that is what would make this keyboard a perfect one. What do you think?
How are your labels now? I'm really thinking about buying the keyboard but hearing you say that after two months they already started to fade kind of concerns me. When I'm spending this much money I want it to last for a long time not only for a couple of months
After around a year, of using it almost daily, all of them are still there. There are a couple of letters that are not as shiny as others, but I doubt they will wear off completely anytime soon.
@@wczxdrtxsu4220 are they 'stickers' like the thinkpad labels? or screen printed on? I like the shape of the keys but I wonder if you can put other keycaps on.. hopefully.
Hello! you said you have used many of trackpoint keyboards. Can you say how many keyboard exists with trackpoint? When I was searching for, I found only lenovo & unicomp. And a question to the k-board in this video. Doesn't you touch the "mouse" buttons, when you're writing? Cause I think they could be a little bit lower. Not so hight to the other keys. Thanks!!!
@@techmo2020 =)) And when we talk about a PC. Do exists there some keyboards for home pc use. Maybe on wire or blutooth, wifi ones. Cause a laptop is for me not so strong to care it with me. My laptot dosn't have a trackpoint. And don;t have a wifi-bluetooh card and a screen anymore. So I use the VGA to put the video-signal on a external monitor)). In short I use my laptop now like a keybord without screen. Or a PC like)) So I want an external PC-keyboard. But I hate mouse, and touchpads. A trackball is .. Not sure. But a trackpoints seems very interesting for an eficiency work. So I'm looking for a homePC keyboard. At this time I would buy the unicomp EnduraPro. If I had the money and it is possible to bring it to my country. Cause when I'm searching for, duckduckgo just find lenovo, most of them for a laptop and unicomp. But now I see it exists one more, the TEX Shinobi. So maybe there are more PC keybourds with trackpoints, that I'm doesn't know))
@@freebeenergy just don't spend too much money before trying track points. Problem is they are perfect for laptop, but on a larger screen it is sometimes challenging to move it across the screen.
@@freebeenergy just don't spend too much money before trying track points. Problem is they are perfect for laptop, but on a larger screen it is sometimes challenging to move it across the screen.
@@techmo2020 I've never found Dell or HP versions of Trackpoint as good as Lenovo's. Also found the Bluetooth versions of the Lenovo keyboards not as good as USB ones. Only USB Lenovo / IBM have type IV Trackpoint and driver with negative interia.
typing experience on this keyboard is very uncomfortable due to very small area that you can hit on the key cap. It may look good but it's not very practical.
I love this review! Very thorough without a bunch of crap thrown in. Keep it up!
Thank you for the review! I just ordered one! :-)
Swapped fn and ctrl keys are a must on thinkpads! The position of it is just right regardless if you press it with your thumb or pinky - you do not need to move your wrist for reaching the ctrl key as opposed to the fn key. If you try to reach the fn key multiple times a day without moving your wrist, you'll sooner or later get RSI by repetitive ulnar deviation. They did it right for programmers without drastically changing the keyboard layout like HHKB. People swapping them back should not consider a thinkpad at all.
I feel like that's a minor feature to disqualify an entire product line.
Thanks for the video! I also love this keyboard :)
i love track points. might give this a shot.
10:30 the right ctrl key is positioned perfectly on these thinkpad layouts underneath the /? key and is one of my top priorities in a keyboard! I use the right shift and ctrl key for every combination where the left hand is involved
For me the position is perfect, u can program it too to change the place.
the tex is too loud for office environment - i have the good old lenonvo trackpoint sk8835 full size, been using it for 15 years now, and i simply cannot find a real replacement for it, nothing fulfills its function, it is the holy grail of keyboards to me
10:25 - That's your problem: it looks wild to me trying to press the Ctrl with the thumb instead of the pinky finger, as it should be. It's a completely irrational and clumsy trick.
For me, this keyboard can not be the main one also for the reason that for me it is absolutely essential to have a numeric key pad.
Thank you!
It seems You are using left ctrl more then left alt. Also You are clicking left ctrl with your thumb. I think it would make sense for you to switch ctrl and alt keys. It can be done on Windows with autohotkey, on linux I think it can be done with xmodmap.
Interesting observation, you are right, I will try it out to see if I like it better that way.
@@techmo2020 If you like it you should know this rabbit hole is deep. I have my caps lock mapped to backspace, '/' key replaced with right shift (so right shift is as close to my pinky as left shift is), '"' key (quote key) mapped to enter, and then some ctrl + something shortcuts to be able to type quotes and also ctrl + something to be able to type esc more easily. For some of that I needed sharp keys application on windows and autokey on linux. Have fun
@@paweczajka1101 yep, one potential problem is when you work on a colleagues keyboard :)
@@techmo2020 Collegues keyboard does not have trackpoint, so I suffer no matter what. Seriously though, this is not as big of an issue. I think it is better to optimize everyday use
@@paweczajka1101 agreed :)
Thank you for showing me this! I was looking for something like this but didn't hear about this one until Google showed me your video. I've heard about people clear-coat painting their black M13 keyboards which also had the problem of the white color on the key caps wearing of, maybe that is what would make this keyboard a perfect one. What do you think?
That could work IMHO. Btw I still use it daily and it rocks :)
How are your labels now? I'm really thinking about buying the keyboard but hearing you say that after two months they already started to fade kind of concerns me. When I'm spending this much money I want it to last for a long time not only for a couple of months
After around a year, of using it almost daily, all of them are still there. There are a couple of letters that are not as shiny as others, but I doubt they will wear off completely anytime soon.
@@wczxdrtxsu4220 are they 'stickers' like the thinkpad labels? or screen printed on? I like the shape of the keys but I wonder if you can put other keycaps on.. hopefully.
So, this doesn't support multi devices?
Hello! you said you have used many of trackpoint keyboards. Can you say how many keyboard exists with trackpoint? When I was searching for, I found only lenovo & unicomp.
And a question to the k-board in this video. Doesn't you touch the "mouse" buttons, when you're writing? Cause I think they could be a little bit lower. Not so hight to the other keys.
Thanks!!!
Yes, you are right, dell and if I remember correctly some models of HP also have built in track point on their Laptops
@@techmo2020 =)) And when we talk about a PC. Do exists there some keyboards for home pc use. Maybe on wire or blutooth, wifi ones. Cause a laptop is for me not so strong to care it with me. My laptot dosn't have a trackpoint. And don;t have a wifi-bluetooh card and a screen anymore. So I use the VGA to put the video-signal on a external monitor)). In short I use my laptop now like a keybord without screen.
Or a PC like)) So I want an external PC-keyboard. But I hate mouse, and touchpads. A trackball is .. Not sure. But a trackpoints seems very interesting for an eficiency work. So I'm looking for a homePC keyboard. At this time I would buy the unicomp EnduraPro. If I had the money and it is possible to bring it to my country. Cause when I'm searching for, duckduckgo just find lenovo, most of them for a laptop and unicomp. But now I see it exists one more, the TEX Shinobi. So maybe there are more PC keybourds with trackpoints, that I'm doesn't know))
@@freebeenergy just don't spend too much money before trying track points. Problem is they are perfect for laptop, but on a larger screen it is sometimes challenging to move it across the screen.
@@freebeenergy just don't spend too much money before trying track points. Problem is they are perfect for laptop, but on a larger screen it is sometimes challenging to move it across the screen.
@@techmo2020 I've never found Dell or HP versions of Trackpoint as good as Lenovo's. Also found the Bluetooth versions of the Lenovo keyboards not as good as USB ones. Only USB Lenovo / IBM have type IV Trackpoint and driver with negative interia.
How customizable is the layout? E.g., can I use caps lock as Fn2 and add a new layer? Does it have a qmk firmware?
Google it, but I customized almost everything. Didn't check caps lock though.
typing experience on this keyboard is very uncomfortable due to very small area that you can hit on the key cap. It may look good but it's not very practical.
As a thinkpad fan, I do want to get this keyboard, but I want the left Fn key and Ctrl key swapped in places. Is it possible to do that?
Yes, u can program every key and there is even a physical switch to change the programs
It looks like a tank .
Are both these suitable for sitting on your lap?
The Tex one is too big and heavy to sit on the lap, the Lenovo one is.
Ok great, thank you. @techmo2020
i use eye tracker
I use mind reader
are ypu really typing words lol ?