LiveWire S2 Mulholland Vs. Zero S
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- This week on EV Rider we’ve got a tail of the tape, a direct comparison between LiveWire’s S2 Mulholland and Zero’s 2024 base S model. The 2024 base S has the same battery size as my personal 2020 SR/F that is seen in some of the video shots.
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Thanks for sharing. I have a LiveWire One with DC fast charging, which allows me to travel to Indianapolis, Dayton, OH and Cincinnati. I AC charge at home take off from Richmond, IN and spend a day or two in any of these cities and stop by an Electrify America station and recharge for 25 minutes on average to get home. Over 95% of our charging happens at home for our LiveWire and Mustang Mach-e GT at .13 per KWH. I'm retired and my wife will retire soon and we will be living in a major metro area and I suspect my LiveWire will rarely be ridden beyond home charging range. Folks tend to purchase more vehicle than they need, because of fear mostly. Afraid of what? It's complicated. Ride Free
That's awesome. I've also got a Mach-E and 100% agree with you, although I do still also have a 2nd gas bike for those longer rides to places where there aren't any conviently located chargers yet.
When I first started looking into electric motorcycles I found Zero and it * seemed * like it was perfect (minus the price). Then I found out quickly that people had huge issues with them locking off things on their bikes and paying hundreds of dollars to just get the software unlock. From what I understand, lately they've pivoted away from that model hard after intense backlash (did they REALLY think it'd work?!) however that little stunt in their careers has steered me away from them entirely because if they did it once, they could do it again.
I looked at a number of others, but the S2 Del Mar seems to be the perfect fit for me. I aim to get it by early 2025.
@AdamasOldblade As much as I dislike the unlock idea, it is sadly an idea that is sweeping the auto & motorcycle industries. For example, I own a Mustang Mach-E. Ford plans to charge me $70 per month for BlueCruise after year 3 (when I'll drop it) and Yamaha charges by the month for the built-in navigation on my Tracer 9 GT+ which I refuse to pay or use.
I bought a LiveWire Del Mar. I liked the badass flat tracker styling, comfortable ride position, excellent handling, and superb build quality of the Del Mar. The Zero designs are too much Tupperware for me. My commute is 24 miles roundtrip, so range is not a problem, even if I take the long way home. I’ll never buy another gas-engine anything. When you go electric, your life gets better. Dig it.
I went all in on EV bikes. I live in the Bay Area of California. Level 2 EVSE charge stations were often broken, nonoperational, or shared power at 3.1kW. I had a 2017 Zero DSR with a Charge Tank that would operate at 6.2kW. At ChargePoint stations where there were two outlets, I would plug one into my charge tank, and the other into the frame-mounted charger. I waited to see how the new DSR/X and Experia measured up. I ended up going back to gas, purchasing a 2022 Ducati Multistrada V4S Sport. It was the same price as the Experia and DSR/X and COMPLETELY ECLIPSED BOTH of those EV bikes regarding usable tech. The Skyhook suspension alone is like science fiction. The blind spot warning radar and adaptive cruise control operate so well. Sorry that the EV life is not for me. Of course, technology will change, but the nonaerodynamic human form really sucks down battery life due to drag. Not sure how we will resolve that. Fingers crossed for 2 wheel EVs.
EV motorcycles have come a long way in range and quality since your 2017 DSR, although I agree that they are falling a bit behind in a few tech areas once you get beyond the powertrain. I am surprised Energica, LiveWire and Zero don't offer adaptive cruise & electronically adaptable suspensions yet. I've got both on my Yamaha Tracer 9 GT+ and absolutely love the adaptive cruise on those long interstate trips. I use my Zero SR/F primarily for roundtrips of 120 miles or less and the Tracer for the longer trips. Personally, if our nation's charging infrastructure were better, I'd probably dump the Tracer, get a fully kitted SR/S with 13kW Rapid Charger and call it a day. But until then I'll stick with 2 motorcycles.
Livewire would be my pick
Bonjour quel est le modèle de votre pare-brise ? Merci
Merci d'avoir regardé. J'ai un pare-brise MRA.
I’m a bit concerned of the significant price reductions on new Zero bikes. It’s almost like Zero is unloading them. Why, I don’t know. Could be nothing, but just an observation.
I'll take the optimistic position and say hopefully it's a sign that Zero is finally making it into the mainstream . I don't have any inside information but Zero has opened a factory in the Phillippines so in theory its production volume should be going up and its costs coming down. Many legacy motorcycle companies have often used discounts to boost sales. Why should Zero be any different? And let's not forget that compared to ICE bikes Zeros are still expensive. Story on the Philippines plant: evrider.tv/zero-motorcycles-announces-deal-to-build-evs-in-philippines/
As a current owner of a Zero Motorcycle, my campaign against the company starts here. Ask me why you should never buy a Zero Motorcycle.
Uhhh... why?
@@princestevenii.772 because, you’ll end up with a Zero you paid over $20k for, that’s 4 years old, with under 5000 miles on the odo; and it’ll be worth $0 as a trade in. The kicker? It has had a problem with it since I bought it, that was never diagnosed by the service provider, until I went to trade it in; and, Zero won’t stand behind their product on a known issue.
@@princestevenii.772 after less than 5000 miles, the Zero is worth its namesake in trade in value. Because the service at the dealer didn’t recognize a sound with the motor, since I bought it, or during any of the service checks, Zero won’t stand behind their product, with a known issue, because it’s out of warranty. It’s a $20k+ bike that is worth $0, and can’t be traded in.
@@princestevenii.772 Zero/RUclips is deleting my replies. That’s how they handle bad reviews from those that got suckered into buying a Zero.
@@princestevenii.772 After less than 5000 miles, the Zero is worth its namesake in trade in value. Because the service at the dealer didn’t recognize a sound with the motor, since I bought it, or during any of the service checks, Zero won’t stand behind their product, with a known issue, because it’s out of warranty. It’s a $20k+ bike that is worth $0, and can’t be traded in.