Why Mario And Sonic Will Always Be Enemies | Game/Show | PBS Digital Studios
HTML-код
- Опубликовано: 9 ноя 2015
- Viewers like you help make PBS (Thank you 😃) . Support your local PBS Member Station here: to.pbs.org/DonateGAME
Mario vs. Sonic, Nintendo vs. SEGA… Choose your side!
Subscribe to PBS Game/Show! bit.ly/1BPJ2VE Tweet at us! / pbsgameshow
↓ More info and sources below ↓
Mario and Sonic are two of the most recognizable faces in gaming, and naturally their appeal tends to be quite divisive. In this weeks episode, Jamin looks back on the two legendary characters, and what it was exactly that drove the two fanbases so far apart. And dives deeply into how their character design may have lead to their diverging fates. Who is the real king of retro gaming? Voice your opinions in the comments below!
--------------------------------------------------------------
Follow us on Facebook / gameshowpbs
Email us! pbsgameshow [at] gmail [dot] com
Follow us on Reddit / pbsgameshow
--------------------------------------------------------------
ASSET LINKS:
0:23
Sonic The Hedgehog TV Commercial Featuring Larry Cedar - Sega Genesis
• Video
0:28
Super Mario Bros 3 - Commercial
• Super Mario Bros 3 - C...
0:38
Super Smash Bros Wii U - Sonic Vs Mario
• Super Smash Bros Wii U...
1:28
Sonic - I´m Waaaiting
• Sonic - I´m Waaaiting
1:36
Bad Boy-Sonic and Amy
• Bad Boy-Sonic and Amy
1:40
Super Mario World Episode 1
• Video
2:23
Sonic X - Theme Song
• Video
3:52
[SFM] Friendly Competition
• [SFM] "Friendly" Compe...
--------------------------------------------------------------
MUSIC:
"Oh Damn!" by CJVSO
/ cjvso-oh-damn
"Digital Sonar" by Brink
"Mindphuck" by Known To Be Lethal
• Video
"After Hours"
"Lakes" by Chooga
• Chooga - 3170 Lakes
"Beautiful Days" by Extan
/ beautiful-days
"Spectrum Subdiffusion Mix" by Foniqz
/ foniqz-spectrum-subdif...
"Good Way Song" by Electronic Rescue
"Alice y Bob" by Javier Rubio and Parsec
archive.org/details/escala19_...
"Sleet" by Kubbi
/ kubbi-sleet
"Toaster" by Kubbi
/ toaster
"Patriotic Songs of America" by New York Military Band and the American Quartet
freemusicarchive.org/music/New...
"Lets Go Back To The Rock" by Outsider
www.jamendo.com/en/artist/440...
"Run" by Outsider
www.jamendo.com/en/artist/440...
"Fame" by Statue of Diveo
www.jamendo.com/en/artist/352...
"Freedom Weekends" by Statue of Diveo
www.jamendo.com/en/artist/352...
----------------------------------------------------------------
Hosted by Jamin Warren (@jaminwar)
See more on games and culture on his site: www.killscreendaily.com
Made by Kornhaber Brown (www.kornhaberbrown.com)
Waluigi has the best body.
This doesn't really prove they're enemies, just that they're opposites. You can be friends with people unlike you, you know?
I for one would like a Mario and Sonic crossover platformer in the style of Sonic Generations where you have a Mario version and a Sonic version of each stage. If they are so different it would be a refreshing back-and-forth experience.
I think Kirby's design really informs how Kirby works. At first it was just the like balloon type thing but even it working with powers is really helped by the design.
+Sergyanime Also he copies abilities, is pink and simple and blobby, and after looking at other japanese characters who do the same, like Majin Buu and Ditto. It seemed like it was a cultural thing.
+Sergyanime Kirby's design was originally just a placeholder until they could design something better. But then they became too attached to Kirby's design to replace it.
Mario's body is blessed by Reggie, and is therefore always ready.
I like both characters. They're like the Yin and Yang of video game mascots: Mario prefers the slow and steady, Sonic prefers the fast and furious.
Is Sonic being at the mercy of the level, but charges onward regardless, some kind of metaphor for being a teen? The world pushes your buttons and you push back. Meanwhile, Mario is like, a jolly child exploring the world, jumping to new heights.
+tweph that's kind of beautiful -jj
I stopped watching this channel a while ago because I felt like your content lost it's way and interest; and this episode was genuinely informative, enjoyable, and not related to any agenda. Thank you
Waaa my feels. I get upset when people talk about the esss jayyy doubleyouuuus :'(
Everything about me screams Sonic. I listen to rock and metal, I like pointy things, I like speed, et cetera.
But Mario all the way, man. He encompasses the purity of gaming. The bounciness, the quirkiness, but most of all: the control. He's about overcoming challenges, whereas Sonic himself is the challenge. Like you said: he's at the mercy of the levels, whereas in Mario, the levels are at the mercy of this awesome plumber.
Also, Peach > furries.
+Spainkiller "Everything about me screams Sonic. I listen to rock and metal, I like pointy things, I like speed, et cetera."
Thing is Sonic isn't the rock and metal of video games. In it's better days it still was the music you listen to in your early high school years when you think you're developing your rebellious identity but you're just falling for another marketing trick.
+Spainkiller *tips fedora*
+PauLtus B Sonic is Punk Rock, not Metal. Shadow is technically metal, but Metalcore.
Also, now Peach counts as Furry, did you not see the catsuits in 3D World?
Sean NH ...
No.
Sonic may be punk but very much poppunk. Shadow isn't metal, Shadow is a cliché "dark" alter ego.
+PauLtus B +Sean NH LOL. Typical. Only metalheads can react so anally about the "metal streed cred" of anthropomorphic video game animals.
You all get my point.
Mario. Looks like a nice fellow.
With Sonic I just keep thinking how his body can carry that enormous head.
It would have been interesting to see how Crash fits into this, as he was meant as a competitor to both characters.
My super smash bros sonic vs mario fight was featured in the video! Thanks :)
+Ian Jenkins (KB Video Editor) 0.38
As you said earlier, i like Mario games because it's bouncy and want to explore, but if i'm only wanna "gotta go fast" and reach the goal then i'll play a Sonic game.
I'm pretty sure friendly rivals would be more accurate at this point. After all, friends come in all shapes and sizes and at the end of the day, they're still both heroes who fight bad guys (or at least that's what Nintendo wants us to think in Mario's case, but I digress).
According o the porn numbers... Sonic's body is by far more appealing.
Whenever I watch the intro to your videos I always think I'm gonna hear 'just the no. 1 champion sound, yeah Estelle we about to get down...'
I always thought that the little creature from Journey was designed to take away all worries and let the player engage in total escapism. His feet are pikes that dig in and out of sand easily. If he had shoes, for example, while getting lost in the world you'd be thinking about the crunch of sand in your shoes and untied laces and so on, which would take away from the serenity of the game. Also, his weird cloth cape/poncho thing made him look as floaty, breezy and gentle as he was. Then his scarf was brilliantly encorporated into the game play; it was floaty and had the mysterious glyphs that gave atmosphere and culture to the world, but also its length depended on the player. On my first play through I looked in every cranny of the world to find glyphs and lengthen my scarf, but when I was struck by one of those flying Onyx-esque things I was sincerely devastated when my scarf was halved in length.
Given Sonic's redesign involves rounding his image, I would say that Mario has the better design. Whilst Mario has constantly had his costume updated through the use of new power-ups, they have continued to keep the core ideology of Mario as a rounded, lovable figure.
The question of whether you like Sonic or Mario more feels like little more than a proxy for asking whether someone grew up with a Sega Genesis or an SNES.
I sadly grew up with neither, but I like sonic over Mario...Marios side characters are the ones I like...
The character shape thing makes me think of Sans and Papyrus from Undertale. Their fonts, bodies, personalities, and attacks are very polar and compatible.
Also the Inside Out emotions. They were created around their shapes.
It fascinated me ever since I joined RUclips how it seems to have preserved particular elements of popular culture. I am 20 years old and therefore the first consoles I had were a PS2 and an original Xbox, so I never did get why people still felt so strongly for consoles, characters and companies that don't even exist anymore. Heck, even Nintendo is nothing but a shadow of it's former self, still there, still relevant, but going away slowly, becoming a little bit less popular and selling worse day by day. And yet, there is such a disconnect between those who lived while them and Sega were still around and kicking and the current demographic target of most videogames. It is an unique circumstance where there was never a natural progression of the media user base, with the veterans still around, mocking the new crowds for not enjoying the classics, even when they have been objectively surpassed long ago, and openly disregarding the current console divide for not being as relevant to them as the one they lived in they're youth. I, like many others (a growing majority for that matter) will never play golden eye, sonic, even Mario or Zelda, that is simply a fact, and it is quite upsetting to see so many people refusing to accept this or claiming that you are not a true gamer unless you have played through Half life twenty times backwards with every mod, finished doom without ever being hit and hold Ocarina of time as the best game ever made instead of appreciating what we have now and the audience it is directed to. I love this channel, but even you have been heavily biased by nostalgia here and there (you lovable old man) and while it is quite insightful, giving us perspective our generation might never get otherwise, perhaps a balance with the new ways could improve the dialogue in the community. Imagine that, both sides of this generational gap playing together, respecting each other's opinions. Wouldn't that be swell?
"A battle that will never be decided" Lol pretty sure that battle has been decided for a while, by Team Sonic, in favor of Mario
Well for sure character design affects how we perceive a character. Maybe it reflects our own character... Anyhow, as for the best body, Sonic does have the fitter one but Mario has the most memorable one, with his typical outfit, hat, moustache and all ☺
I found an instance where it is not really character design per se, but at least a thing very connected to it. I think that the flowing lines of flowers that appear behind you as Amaterasu from Okami really help to set the mood for the more flowing form of combat compared to the more focused and structured combat of for example The Legend of Zelda games.
They need a video game to include both Mario and sonic.
I have to go Mario, but I still think Sonic's character design is absolutely genius
trust me, you can have just as fun playing either mario games or sonic games, the vibe also changes 100% entirely, makes you feel weird about the other if that makes sense but always remember, mario jumps and sonic runs
Dare I say that Thomas was Alone's character's shape sizes helped define their character?
I didn't know Bowser had 18 kids ...
+1000 points to Jamin for bringing up Scott McCloud's books. Byootiful.
hmm, even when there are clear differences, I don't see them like polar opposites; for example, both characters have a lot of blue, polar oposites should be opposite in the chromatic cone(for example, blue and orange).
Even Sonic is not that spiky, for example, he have very round eyes, lots of things of his design was taken from characters very round, like Felix the Cat or Mickey Mouse.
I think people see them like rivals just because when Sonic was more popular, their rivality was a very strong advertisement.
Sonic, I think, was a reaction to Mario. Kids who were 7 or 8 when Mario was on the NES were a couple years older when Sonic came out, and his "attitude" was a deliberate marketing move to make Mario 3 look babyish by comparison. The conflict between the characters is one of pre-pubescent v. mid-pubescent, which is actually kind of timeless.
Nice vid and thank you for your great work! I'm a Sonic fan although I've been playing Mario for so many years. They both have perfectly healthy, nature defying bodies :P I'd be going for Sonic's body because it's aerodynamic (in anime physics, anyway :P)
Thanx for your hard work!
No! They can't be enemies!
It's a perfect duo!
Exactly.
They're both heroic, love adventure, and are massive daredevils.
I dont get why they would ever hate eachother.
@@PuffyBuffy25 Also, They're Both Super Fast, Super Strong, Powerful, Talented, Acrobatic, Money Collectors, Skilled, Jump Masters, Durable, Smash Fighters, Olympic Gamers, World Savers, Funny, Silent And Chatty At The Same Time And Even Sarcastic Sometimes! They Both Drive Karts And Have Parties, Have A Best Friend And Love Someone Who Aren't Their Girlfriends Yet… Even Their Games Are Both Pretty Fun, They Probably Have EVERYTHING In Common! And Also, They Hated Each Other In The Past, But Now They Are Friends For A Long Time Ago, While Their Fans Still Hate Each Other Lol
It's hard to try and come up with logical in-game explanations for what was a marketing ploy to try and sell consoles and games. Sure, it was effective, but the rivalry is a manufactured construct put on the games, not an intrinsic quality of the games themselves. Because of that, I believe Mario and Sonic don't care one way or another about each other, because in-game interactions are only found in crossover games like those Olympic Games or Smash Bros, and there the "rivalry" is a friendly competition, not something that would draw battle lines and legit anger/hatred/whatever.
In short, WE believe they are enemies, but THEY may not, as far as we know. Just like wrestling XD
"If you were born in the 90's you had to pick a side."
I chose both.
Don't you guys love challenges? I even challenge the challenge itself to challenge me even if the challenge has to challenge other challenges to challenge with the challenge.
This comment damaged my brain cells
The design of several Pokemon tend to influence gameplay by what role they may play on your team. Pokemon like Charizard and Gengar, whom have a lot of spikes and points in their design often play the part of attakers or sweepers while rounder Pokemon like Blissey and Whimsicott play more of the role of Tanks or Supporters.
Its not just character designs. and movements. Sonics levels were partially formed over discontent on the linearity of Mario levels.
Sonic Team wanted to encourage repeated play with multiple paths to learn and reward those could stay on higher paths with a decrease in the length of a levels playtime from a skilled run that way, you can get back to the more difficult levels quickly at a time that lacked game saves. Its a concept that is a response to mario.
+popculturehero Nice point! -jj
I think you need to look at the creation of each character. Mario was created to be part of a cast, changing roles in each game. His look is due to technical limitations which gave us his hat, mustache, sideburns and overalls, and consequently brings a lot of easy identifiers.
sonic was designed as a product of the 90's, with Michael Jackson's shoes and Bill Clinton's attitude.
Sonic screams zeitgeist, Mario's personality is secondary.
Edison's light bulb was a direct lift from Joseph Swan's that was patented in the UK 2 years before Edison's Patent in the US. Edison was more Steve Jobs than Steve Wozniak. Also some of us never had a nintendo and so by that rational could never have "turned traitor" also was more Jungle strike fan than a Sonic fan.
Simon Belmont. The guy looks like a Conan-esque muscleman and his design appears to have been lifted from a Frank Frazetta artwork. In Castlevania 1 he walks with a bodybuilder's swagger, and everything about him feels ponderous, especially dat whip delay. It is an interesting dynamic in which such a physical character is confronted with magical demon creatures and must overcome them with naught but a handful of enchanted weapons, adding to the game's sense of peril: here you are, alone, with creatures of power beyond your meager human capability.
great episode
best body = king hippo
+FAYMprod weak spot like the Death Star.
BEST BODY = Bowser.
Best body = Reggie.
Mario, definitely. Who doesn't love a guy with a bit of belly?
+Rauron The original dad bod. -jj
I Don't Wanna Have One Of The Last Comments, But This Is Completely Wrong! Mario And Sonic Just Stopped Being Rivals Since 9 Years And This Video Was Made 6 Years Ago, Like That Doesn't Make Any Sense… Mario And Sonic Are#NotRivalsAnymore And That's It
Mario never talks. Sonic makes jokes whenever he feels like it. Mario follows the rules. Sonic defies the rules. Mario is confined to only being in the Mario universe. Sonic would have no problem walking on set in a Batman cartoon and keeping his original appearance. Mario is praised, but at the end of the day he's still just Mario Sonic is ridiculed, but at the end of the day he laughs it off.
All Wrong: Mario And Sonic Both Make Lots Of Jokes And They're Pretty Silent Sometimes; Mario Doesn't Always Follows The Rules, Since He Breaks The 4th Wall A Lot; Mario Is Not Only In The Mario Universe, But Also In Sonic Universe, Rabbids Universe And So Much More; Mario Has More Personality Than What You Think, So He's Not Just Mario; Sonic Had Lots Of Hate, Sure, But Not As Much As These Days
Truly decide? It has been decided...SONIC LOST!!
It doesn't really matter if they win.. But I mostly pefer sonic. I like Mario in all. But he's abit too jumpy.. (I Know I might get hate.)
The colors of Mario and Sonic are also at ends with each other, red vs. blue being the default status for a generic rivalry.
And I don't want to read too far into this, but so far as politics in America go, red is worn by the Rebulcans. Currently viewed as the conservative and older party, while Democrats are associated with blue and being more progressive. Mario being red and the classic video game character and Sonic being blue and being marketed and designed as the newer/teen alternative could have been planned, or it might just be a lucky coincidence.
+LegendLeaguer Mario for President! -jj
PBS Game/Show then we're going to have the now competent Luigi running in 16 years...
+LegendLeaguer The Democrat Party is older, dating back to Thomas Jefferson, and was the party of choice of Conservatives until the second half of the 20th century. The Republican Party didn't really form until the Whig Party began self-destructing and were fairly liberal until Nixon started courting conservative Democrats upset over FDR and LBJ.
foxymetroid I know my history. All that happened before 1985, yes?
Well You Know That Mario Also Has Blue Overalls And Sonic Has Red Shoes, Right?
I like mario and sonic. I like both of them
Enemies?
I wonder why they both are making Olympics games such as Mario and Sonic at the ??? Olympic Games.
I can't choose between mario and sonic. There is both of them in me, I love playing mario aand I loove playing sonic.
Sonic is fast and Mario is slow so depending on how I am feeling if I am happy and at least calm I can play mario but if what I am feeling is rush and big emotions I would rather play sonic! to me they are not enemies and never were.
Oh my, talk more character design at me!!
I've been a long time Nintendo fanboy, but a while back tried to play Sonic (Genesis collection on PS3) but I just didn't like the feel of the gameplay. Still prefer SMB.
+Fat Panda Ditto. If I wanted to play a game where I had almost no control over my own character, I'd just put the controller down and tune back into real life. Sonic game's a fun concept but ultimately too frustrating. I play Mario for a more enjoyable challenge (newer games) or to relax with easy, familiar gameplay (old).
but if you take something like Link, who has pretty identical movements, speeds, and attacks whether he's short and chubby (wind waker) or tall and thin (twilight) or a mass of polygons - is that his character model becoming irrelevant?
That's just great!
I say mario wins .. because Every game in the marios (main) universe Is AWESOME .. But .. Sonic .. Well .. 06 and Boom
And forces
id of been a sonic fan if I had those consoles.
I like both on a gameplay level but I prefer Sonic not because all his games are better but Sonic has more personality
Moving with Speed since 91' Sonic all the way
interesting parallels.
+D Jones (DeuS eX DaRe) thanks! -jj
I like them both.
*mashedpotato*thuglife
I must say I'm a Mario fan.
I didn't choose a side I was in the middle I loved both of them
I never liked either of them as far as their 2D forms. I only play Sonic games for the music, likewise I only play Mario for Sunshine.
Rouge. Rouge Has The Best Body.
What do you think?
dat right image at 2:01 ...wat
elegant* arch. though I do like Mario's body language...
Payable on Death(6:00) is a bible reference that the band P.O.D. got their name from. If you don't know P.O.D. you should be ashamed... Katy Perry was one of(emphasis on one of) their back up singers before she got famous.
You just compared The opposite of both characters but you didn't give a proof why they are enemies...But nice video though
1:17 what youth.
brace yourselves the flame wars are coming
Clearly Crash Bandicoot is the looker.
+Wednesday's Serial I know right? -jj
Sonic
being a teen of the 90's the way I remember it was more like Mario sonic eh who cares?
PRINCESS PEACH HAVE A GREAT BODY
i like mario bc he has better games.
sonic
gota go fsat
Sonic fast running into things makes him not rewarding and enjoyable. Mario all the way
Sonic 4 Life..
Eh. Eventually Ubisoft will be the rights to both Mario and Sonic. Everyone will live happily ever after.... After 6 months of non-functional patches, nonsense downtimes, and dealing with Uplay (which rarely lets YOU PLAY).
Yay future!
Dude.... in the begging.... there was Pac Man. Jeez man 0:18 seconds in and you're already demonstrably wrong. Pac Man was HUGE in the early 80's. A whole generation before Mario.
Why was the rivalry between Mario and Sonic so intense. Because the companies behind them fostered it. They had a vested interest in people picking a side and sticking with it. Also, you've already argued in a previous video that the design of mario was largely influenced by the limitations of the system he was the mascot of.
You are wrong about the mechanics of the Sonic games. The *advertising* emphasized Sonic's speed but in the actual games you only went full tilt once or twice in each Zone. It was like icing on the cake, the rest of the time you were going at a steady pace. Because trying to run through every level would get you smacked against spikes and the like.
I think that's one of the biggest problems with the Sonic franchise, the nostalgia for a marketing campaign has run away from what actually made the games fun.
do undertale
Lol sonic wins. Like what everyone on miiverse say: TEAM SONIC ALL TEH WAY
Nah sonic sucks. His game's are... Well... 06, boom, forces, black knight,secret rings,generations,colors,mania,adventure 1&2,heroes,shadow the hedgehog,sonic 3d blast, sonic cd are all bad games
@@iwastoolazytowriteausernam1442 Mario does make better games but there tv shows on mario sucks
Sonic clearly has the better "bod". He runs EVERYWHERE. Mario...not so much.
The real reason they're enemies is because Mario is white and Sonic is black and oppressed. Look at how many racists hate him in the comments.
dude war is over it's been over for a long time sega lost deal with it
+Dj Starbuck (Cross sin) the title does not work for the bigger picture,
sorry to say but sonic Vs Mario is as relevant as star wars Vs star trek.......the player when home a long time ago but beside that your under line topic was ok
I don't take part in fandom wars
***** robootty
+TimTheGamer 12 (Timothy) *Currently
Because sonic the lost world copied on Mario galaxy and sonic took more popularity and Nintendo is Better than Sega so explained
Nintendo had better games then sega did
Sorry, don't have the brain capacity to think about any game other than Fallout 4
Sonic for the win! That's my humble opinion :P
sonic's visual design is amazing and beats mario in every aspect. Though I completely disagree about his gamefeel. Sonic games really just feel arduous and uninviting. (and in the 3D world... just something that shouldn't be.)
Mario makes better games
Sonic makes better tv shows
im not goin count the mario movie cuz he only made one.
I was expecting you to just say capitalism then end the video, kinda doesn't need explanation :p
is sonic still even relevant?
I choose Sonic.
ummm...
meh.
Sonic sucks. Don't play it.
Then why is he your RUclips picture
Sonic is better!😡
Bruh You're Pretty Toxic Anyway
Something you reminded me about in this episode while talking about Mario, is that it might be why people are drawn to Pop! Vinyl figures and why some figures sell better than others.