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Retired ex-BR driver here. It has long been a massive "no no" on the railway for a green aspect to show when a train is going into a dead end platform of ANY kind. As with most rule changes, this one came about following a tragic train crash at a mainline terminus many years back. It is the belt and braces approach that removes any uncertainty from terminating train movements.
In a real world situation your current junction signal, controlling diverging traffic to and from the helix in your case, would be where the control for your station/Goods yard traffic would be situated. The reason being that an additional signal situated where you are suggesting could potentially see a train brought to a stand blocking the diverging route altogether. You could replace the feather on the junction signal (or the flash as we often called it) with a "Theatre Box Indicator" with the additional letters - to those you mentioned - being something like M for main and B for branch, although the actual choice of letters is obviously yours to make. The addition of a "cats eyes" signal below the main aspect would also allow for run-round locos to return to an occupied platform/goods road in your terminal station/yard area.
However, I do understand the limitations of available space etc., so if you were to pursue the additional signal option then the signal should only consist of 2 aspects (yellow and red) along with your "Theatre Box Indicator" atop. Again, I would suggest the "cats eyes" shunting signal for more authentic looking run round movements. I hope that's something of a help. I love the layout and the very talented work that you do on it. I look forward to your videos each week and I often wish I had the space (and the energy) to pursue something similar myself, but alas age and poor health forbids it anyway. Cheers.
Thanks for your comment, I knew the American solution to this problem, but haven't a clue about the BR version. Cheers.
Agree with this. A terminus track ends in a buffer stop with red light attached which equates to a red signal so is thus always preceded by a single yellow. I travelled to school by train (class 104 DMU's great "driver's eye views!) from & to Bay 5 at Crewe South. Crewe South has a large overhead signal gantry with matrix (bulbs back then) theatre indicators showing designated route. Mine usually showed "B5" (Bay 5) with a single yellow (4 aspect signals here) to indicate the train was routed to a terminus platform. Other legends used were "Px" for a given platform or "Tx" for the 2 thru' lines. Hope that helps.
Agree. Yellow / Red / theatre box and a sub signal for permissive working.
What a heartwarming comment CB. You are right on the nail with your signal information and I will follow it to the letter. Regards Charlie
@ Cyberdon Blue.
Hi.
Regarding the accident you referred to, was it the one at Epsom Downs station in Surrey where the train mounted the platform and went across the foyer then through the station entrance a long time ago?
Thinking about the red light at the buffers, obviously, under current rules, logic dictates that the signal before entering must display amber. This also means approach with caution. However, if the driver is not aware he is entering a terminus and cannot see the buffers at the end of the line, what on earth is he doing in charge of a trainload of passengers in the first place!
On a 'lighter' note, if the light at the 'dead end' is green, does that mean the driver may continue his journey through the buffers, up the platform, through the foyer, into the road, up the high street, and into Sainsbury's for his weekly shop? 😂
I use acrylic paints exclusively in my airbrush as my wife is very sensitive to solvent smells. To avoid frequent clogging, add a few drops of flow improver to the paint prior to spraying. (For example, for Vallejo Model Air paints, one adds one drop for every five to ten drops of paint.) This reduces clogging significantly. Using a larger airbrush needle size also helps. Cheers from Wisconsin!
Thanks Andrew I shall certainly check out the flow improver. Regards Charlie
I have memories of horrible gloopy Humbrol enamels from my childhood, so am trying to stick with acrylics... While I've had success with Tamiya acrylics at 15 psi without flow improver, adding flow improver has made a world of difference to spraying Vallejo Model Color at 20-25 psi. It makes my airbrush much easier to clean too so it feels like a win-win.
@ Andrew. Spot on m8 n that rule applies to any medium ur using paint wise. We used to call that ‘flow rate’ back in the day 👍
The landscaping videos are my favourite. I can switch off, listen and watch someone else doing the terraforming work that I should be doing on my layout. It still counts, doesn't it? :-)
I'm so pleased that you enjoyed it Bill but no, it doesn't count!
Stay safe mate. Regards Charlie
Does it count?? It all counts if you are in the hobby to relax and have fun because you Are relaxing and having fun.
Yes I think the same. 😊👍
Hi Charlie,
just want to say hello. I am just starting to build my first layout as a 56 year old boy.
I am learning so much from you and your channel and will continue to tune in thank you and all involved.
Thanks JH. It’s great to have you onboard mate. Regards, Charlie
I've moved onto a narrowboat Charlie and had to play catch up now I've installed WiFi. Great as always
Sounds like a relaxing way of life Mark. Regards Charlie
Great new update today .Like it so much
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it buddy.
Hi Charlie sorry I've been a bit quiet been busy at work so I have decided today to catch up on your material. layout looking good near the retaining walls and your previous signal video was very helpful food for thought when I think about installing signalling keep up the great work. Kind regards Gary
Thanks Gary, I’m so pleased that you found it interesting. Regards Charlie
I really enjoy these videos. My wife teases me about having my "choo choo charlie" time. (for those who may not reconize that phrase, "ChooChoo Charlie" was a kids cartoon in the late 50's and early sixty's here in the states, (I was in the Chicagoland area at that time), that I would watch every morning before going off to school. He also advertized, "Good and Plenty" which is a Licorice with a candy coating of either red pink or white. Funny, I can still remember the little song that was sung...lol. Funny about the things we older guys remember). Anyway, another fantastic video by my FAVORITE train moldeler. I want to start supporting the channel but I live in the states and you are in England (oh how I love England! The world would not be near as civilized if it wasn't for "Mother England"). Sorry, got side tracked. Please if someone could clue me in on how funding works I would be very grateful!
What a heart warming comment Joseph andI shall certainly look up "Choo Choo Charlie".
You can support the channel with Patreon but it's just great to have you onboard. Regards Charlie
There are of course Ad blockers that remove the adverts from websites including RUclips. Not going to get drawn into the ethics of using them, but they do make watching videos on youtube more pleasurable. Another excellent video Charlie, and I think you made the right decision with the way the hill would be landscaped in real life, it much more natural.
I understand your point Malcolm, however if everyone used them, then no one would make videos! Regards Charlie
@@ChadwickModelRailway Charlie, as I said, I didn't want to get drawn into the ethics or morals of using them, and to a point I agree. But maybe if Google changed their business model, and reduced the number of adds shown on the videos then people wouldn't have need to use an add blocker ?
Anyway, debating the rights and wrongs of these applications wasn't my intention. If I was in a position to support you / your channel directly I would, seeing how much RUclips take from any ad revenue the channel makes. But sadly at the moment that isn't possible. I do enjoy your videos, and would certainly miss them if you stopped making them...
Then in return watch the adds and we both gain something.
@@ChadwickModelRailway I am not sure if it is regrettable that RUclips now reserve the right to place advertisements in any content regardless whether the creator is part of the partner prorgramme. Time will tell how they behave.
I always try to let the ads run their course. I like to watch Chadwick on my television and as long as it stays smart shall continue to do so. Fortunately, I can mute without, I hope, penalty.
May be the trick will be to let advertisements run on any account with at least 1,000 subscribers just in case.
Landscaping is an area where I need to improve my skills and bring my layout to life, so it's always interesting and helpful to see some of your techniques. Thanks for another enjoyable video.
Thanks Simon,
I’m sure that it will just be a matter of time and a little practice mate.
Always enjoy watching your videos Charlie. Fascinating discussion on signalling. You asked the question and got lots of answers! Blew my mind. Thanks. Roy.
Yes Roy, RUclips is a wonderful facility for gaining opinions. Regards Charlie
Anthony great episode Charlie and I am looking forward to the block detection one.
Thanks Antony I’m currently laying out the planning now. Regards Charlie
Great video keep them coming Charlie 👍
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed the channel Jeff. Regards Charlie
Wonderful, Thank you. Kind regards from Vienna
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it Christian, regards Charlie
Hi Charlie just re-watched adding another Noch retaining wall coming of the off your helix I bought the extra long length of Noch retaining wall 58065 from dcc train automation which was about the only place that had one in stock and that was their last one I used a length of 3rd radius curve as a guide to what radius of curve I needed didn’t have a heat gun but my wife’s GHD hair dryer which was just the job heated it up and now I have made a tunnel o my 4th radius curved track put a few buildings on I think it gives it another dimension the Noch products are really realistic thanks again for showing us how to get the most out of our layouts best wishes Kev
What a heartwarming comment Kev. Regards Charlie.
Hi Charlie, once again a marvellous and very informative video 👍
I think especially for the so called 'armchair model railroaders' (they still exist) it will inspire them to put 'hands on '!! By your way of sharing and showing, you will tug them out of their chairs!
Once again thanks, stay healthy and I'm looking forward to your next video!!
Season greetings from a small village in the middle of the Netherlands, cheers mate 🚂
What a great comment mate, you’re too kind. Regards Charlie
@@ChadwickModelRailway
Hi Charlie, about my remark concerning 'armchair model railroaders' it is definitely meant positive!!
I wished, I saw your videos approximately 25 years ago, working very hard 12 hours a day; in the evening I read only several RR-magazins and not the power to put hands on; and then a model railroad friend pulled me out (btw he is a 'P4' man) and said: come on Wim, start now with a small module!
Ok, mate this is the background of my remark; cheers for now, have a nice day and stay healthy. 🚂
Really interesting what you said about acrylic paints and airbrush problems - I’ve long had the same frustrations, every time I come to use my airbrush after any amount of time, it just never works. I love acrylic and how easy it is to work with but it just has this chalky hardness when it dries, which airbrushes really don’t like.
I couldn’t agree more, it’s one of the reasons I always tend to reach for the enamels. Regards Charlie
Hi Charlie.
I am no signalling expert, but I once worked on the platform on BR and I do know that a single amber denotes the next is at red. In your planned station area, as it is a ‘dead end’, there is no need for amber, only green to denote the line ahead is clear, or red to denote it is occupied. Amber means ‘approach with caution’ so, in that situation, ‘caution’ is meaningless as you can either enter the station or stay where you are until given the all clear.
Hope this is helpful.
Sorry Paul I’m afraid you’re mistaken. You can’t have a green running into a station as many drivers and signalman have mentioned previously. Regards Charlie
Thanks for pointing that out. However, I did state that I previously worked on BR, and as one of your respondents has pointed out, rules have been changed since then. Incidentally, I was not stationed at a terminus, so was not familiar with that situation. I will say that our hobby does not represent the real world i.e. trains are not plastic, corridors are joined together, buckeye couplings etc. are used, smoke & steam is generated so, as it is only a representation in toy form, there's no need to be pedantic with the signalling. Enjoy your day young Charles!
Hi Charlie, wonderful video, just goes to show patience and persistence can win out. I really enjoy your landscaping segments, maybe because one can see something happening. The other stuff is important I agree, however one does see much visually, except maybe the installation of signals etc, so for now I will be patient and just wait for the next landscaping video. Don't get me wrong I enjoy everyone of your videos. till next time, Best Wishes Greg
I think you’re right Greg, I need to make a landscaping video once every four weeks. Regards Charlie
Looking great alan, keep,up the good work
Thanks Alan, regards Charlie
Charlie,
Thank you for another great informational video.
You have answered a question I was going to ask about the best way to get the joins in flex track looking better. Thank you for showing your technique on fitting the missing sleepers.
We are of a similar age, I have exactly the same B&D Paint Stripper Gun, abeit with an Australian Plug.
Keep safe, and keep showing us how you do it.
Cheers,
Michael
Thanks Michael and I’m so pleased I enjoyed the video. Regards Charlie
I have become a huge fan of Tamiya acrylic paints diluted with isopropyl alcohol for painting my track. All of airbrush issues are now gone. But you do need good breathing protection. Great video Charlie. Thanks for sharing this. Cheers- Larry.
Great comment Larry, I shall try IPA.
@@ChadwickModelRailway I should have also said use 99% whenever possible.
It’s all that I ever use.
Thank you again Charlie. Your tutorial videos have been invaluable teaching me so many new skills. Your presentation style is informative, concise, to the point, and yet entertaining and very easy to listen to. A university for learning modelling skills. Thank you.
Thanks buddy for such a heartwarming comment.
Really nice vid Charlie. Such a lot of detail work that you are exceptionally good at. I do love it when you have a bit of a hissy!!😡
Yes I did get a little emotional! Regards Charlie
That just shows how committed you are to doing a good job. I could never do what you do I'd get chucked out for excess expletives...
Another fascinating show, thank you Charlie. 2 things, if you had kept the remains of the Hill between the station and Helix lines, you would have spoilt the view of the action. And more importantly to get the tunnel mouth signal visible you don't need to bring it all the way to the end of the straight access to the Helix. Remember there will be no traffic on that line, put a carriage on the other line and bring the signal forward until it can be seen from the driver in the cab. Perhaps your track camera will help. I think you only need to move the signal a third of the distance.
Thanks Roger, I shall certainly check it out prior to deciding. Regards Charlie
Thanks Charlie… now I know why Aaron was so keen for me to watch this episode !
I am on the mend and RUclips is helping to keep me sane in the process !
Just starting to some scenery work on Cambewarra (my layout) and will involve slapping a little Sculptit around (another Sculptimold type product down under) and some structure building which I’m looking forward to. Thanks again 👍
That’s great news Gary, that you’re on the mend. Good luck with your layout, and stay safe, regards Charlie
I never thought about filling in the nail/pin holes in before weathering the track. Thank you for bringing that to my attention Charlie. One more thing to add to the to do list.
The trouble is Sean, these list gets longer and longer
Great vid again Charlie. I loved the way the wall could be shaped with heat. A very useful tip.
I’m so pleased that you found it useful Clive.
Looking good, you do bring up the facts you need to think about more tha just track as there is more to the railroads than tracks. Signals, landscape and more thanks for sharing 👍👍👍
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it JO.
great stuff Carlie. Landscape is my favourite stuff and I really enjoyed that. It doesn't stop me watching more technical stuff. Have a good weekend. M. Toulouse
Thanks Kevin, I’m so pleased that you found it interesting.
Great vid as always Charlie. With regards to using acrylic paints with an airbrush there is a vid on RUclips by someone who goes by the name Barbatos Rex on How to Airbrush Acrylics. He adds something to the paint which slows the drying time and allows it to flow better, his results look very pleasing.
Thanks Alan, it’s called flow improver. And I’ll give it a try. Regards Charlie
@@ChadwickModelRailway if you don't have any apparently isopropryl alcohol and water is mostly what they consist of.
Charlie, re acrylics I always use the Model Air range - they are pre-thinned and ready to pop straight into the airbrush. Great quality paints imo. Can DM you some pictures of my weathered track for reference mate.
By Vallejo.
Even those need thinning down. I find the whole airbrush thing areal faff with all the cleaning etc so tend to use enamels on small details hand painted and rattle cans for large areas. I hv tried many times but can get the same job done quicker without airbrushing
I will try it again gentlemen, but this time using a Vallejo flow aider. Regards Charlie
I completely agree with the use of the three aspect signal and a SARI the only thing I could suggest is pottentially they provision of a call on signal with its own MARI. as this would allow the signaller to route light engines or route another train into the occupied platforms for joining up. The miniature indicator would probably have to be a dummy but would add to the affect.
Great idea mate, I’m on the case. Regards Charlie
Hi Charlie! Great to see some major landscaping going on! 😎 I do rather like the way the land lies on that junction and think you have managed well to keep it looking realistic 👍
With regard to the signal: as you may have been told already, you were quite right about the need only to show a red or yellow as the buffers are effectively a ‘red’, thus there is no use for a green there. In terms of the theatre box, I would say that the right thing to have would be a ‘1’ and ‘2’ as an option AND have a position light or shunt indicator beneath the main aspect signal to indicate that the train is essentially leaving the main line and moving onto a section under localised control, i.e. the signaller is passing control over to the local shunter so that the necessary moves can be undertaken without having to interrupt the signaller in his main line duties. You can then have a mainline aspect signal to control the exit of the yard onto the main line 👍 I hope that makes sense 😄
I could be entirely wrong but I am just basing this on what we have on the approach to and exit from our yards on the c2c line 👍
As an aside, can I suggest a headhunt or at least use the catch points by the signal to exit the yard to govern the movements?
I think you’re on the button there Tim, good advice, regards Charlie
@@ChadwickModelRailway: no worries mate, glad I could help. By the way, as you have the junction governed by catch points instead of a headshunt, can I recommend at some point in the future you just put in a “LIMIT OF SHUNT” board just ahead of the signal. Common practice and in the era you are modelling it would probably be in cream coloured capitals on a coloured background…and I think they were usually maroon in BR practice 👍
Great tip mate, thanks.
Another great episode Charlie. Really enjoyed this one and so glad that you're such a dab hand with the vacuum cleaner!!
Only because I’m so messy.
Kevin my wife just literally shouted Charlie would make someone a great wife at that vacuuming bit 😆😆😆😆
@@EtonieE25 He's very domesticated!!
Alright, I'm inspired. I'll finally start the landscaping rather than buying more trains and rolling stock! (Ridiculous procrastination considering I'm a landscaper by trade!)
Glad to see I'm not doing something wrong with my airbrush ... other than using acrylics! Another great video Charlie. Thanks very much.
Know the feeling, cant get my mojo going for the scenery but happy to buy another Vollmer or Parkside kit. I keep coming here for inspiration...🤗
Excellent comments gentlemen, you just need to get your scenics sorted! Regards Charlie
Thank you for a very informative and entertaining program, Charlie.
Thanks Donald, I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it mate. Regards Charlie
Yet another great video Charlie ... my build getting there and also back getting better so will start my shed in a week or so fingers and back crossed... regarding Aspect signal you need a 3D printer and Fusion360 Cad design program and you can make your own ... I have done a few with direction indicators using white 3mm LED's plus Red, Yellow and Green using 4mm brass tube as upright ...
An interesting point John. 3-D Printing is something I need need to get into. Regards Charlie
Got an old Bosch heat gun 30 year old my glue gun is a hobby craft cheepo some many uses Charlie great video 🚂🚂🚂🚂🚂🚂
All the matters Adam, is that they work. Regards Charlie
Agree with Vincent. That "derelict" area would probably have a signal box in the era you are modelling. Placed next to the retaining wall between the "mainline" and the station approach. That way the signaller would observe both the mainline and control the station approach and main junction. Great video as always Charlie. Thanks
A good point Anthony, I’m planning for the flat area on the viaduct board.
The thing is Vincent, if there was a signal box there, then the signalling would almost certainly not be colour lights. Multiple Aspect Signalling (MAS) is normally controlled from a power signal box which would cover many miles of track with no physical observation of the passage of trains.
@@1952TonyC Yes, you are correct Tony. Charlie is using MAS, therefore the signal box would likely have become redundant. Control would have been transferred to a power box (or panel) as you say. Perhaps a disused box or the remnants of such?
@@anthonypemberton7752 good plan. I very much like the idea of a closed signal box. Lots of opportunity for weathering etc.
Excellent video Charlie, the Signal into Barnstaple could have various options depending on the region and era you are basing it on, Nowadays it would be a 2 aspect {red, yellow) into the platforms and a position light for the goods yard and also for entering into an occupied platform, and a theatre box above the main aspect capable of showing 1, 2 or G, so realistic aspects would be Red, Yellow and 1, Yellow and 2, position light and 1, 2 or G depending on route set. You could have a main aspect theatre box above the signal and a miniature one above the position light but that is really complicating things and it is perfectly acceptable to have the main (only) theatre box also working with the position light signal, Plymouth P15 signal is a perfect example of this on the Western (Up) approach to Plymouth station if you want a real world example.
The signal near the tunnel would only need to be moved back far enough to prevent it being obscured by a train on the other line, you wouldnt need to move it that far back to make it visible.
As others have said you wouldnt normally place a signal where a train would be over a junction when stopped at it but who has the space for that.
A great comment Mike, thank you. However about signal placement, I can’t help hanging over the previous junction due to Scale compression. Regards Charlie
If anyone wants to attach large soft pieces like the foam wall but can't for whatever reason use hot glue (e.g. the things being glued are heat sensitive) then pushing pins into the substructure then cutting the pin head off with the 'wrong' side of a pair of clippers to leave a sharp point on which to impale and hang the surface. I've done it when cladding cardboard walls with apoxie sculpt brick and it works really well.
An interesting option Mark, many thanks, regards Charlie
Fantastic video, Charlie! Everything looks fabulous
Thanks Jade, you’re too kind
I always find when laying flexible track, if you position a small (shaving) mirror on the rails and look at the image you will notice any kinks in the track and any other odd things close to the trackside. It gives you chance to alter things before finally attaching the track. Why you can't see them when you look at them normally remains a mystery!
An excellent point Vernon and one that I use quite regularly. Regards Charlie
Looks great, Charlie! Tons of things left to do, but that's the fun part, right? This part of your layout really makes a difference in how the whole empire looks and runs. Can't wait to see further progress! Thanks for the lesson!
What a heartwarming comment Pat, you’re too kind mate.
Regards Charlie
The one thing I'd add if your getting the signal made, and you go with red and yellow only, I would get a calling on signal added below the main aspects so it there was any stock in the platforms or the goods yard, the approaching train could be warned it there. Other in theory it would have to pass this signal at red.
That’s the current plan Gerry
2 aspect (red/yellow), with theatre box. With a associated position light
Main aspect and theatre indication for the platforms
Associated Position light and theatre indication for the yard.
You can also use the associated position light with theatre indication for platforms if they are occupied
Spot on....saved me typing. This would be the signal set up I’d go for as well Charlie
So for the goods area, are you saying,
Red on the two aspect signal and proceed with a “two whites” displayed on the position light?
@@ChadwickModelRailway that’s it mate. And the same if your going in to a occupied platform. (Eg going on top of a set of coaches say)
Thomas, would there be something to separate which route was set within the goods loop. I only work passenger services so I’m not up to speed with goods yards. I was thinking maybe a “Stop” board just as you approach the points in the goods loop
@@B16Kev not needed for goods yards. As the position light gives you the order to proceed at caution being prepared to stop short of any obstruction.
But you could have a stop for orders board on the yard entrance if you wish.
Regarding the signal which allows access to the station and goods yard, I say a 2 aspect signal with theatre box route indicator with 1 / 2 / G but with a position light.
The position light would show with a red when entering your platforms to allow a run round move (which vehicles in the platform) or clear to a signal yellow when the platform was empty - the next “signal” beyond is the red lamp on the stop block.
Regards the route into the yard, again you’d have a yellow and position light as you’ll potentially be going into a section of line where the controlling signaller doesn’t know the line is clear. We have this arrangement on the entry to Barry docks - the main aspect stays red with a position light clearing to allow the train to proceed.
With regards to run rounds you may wish to look at a LOS (limit of shunt) fixed red on your Up line approach road prior to the junction or your driver doing the run round could plough off wrong road into oncoming traffic.
An excellent comment mate, thank you. I do have to read up on the limit of shunt. This is something new to me. Regards Charlie
Charlie Bob Waldron at genessis models often finishes kits in acrylics using an airbrush he has videos for home brew thinners as well. But to my point the blockages are usually due to the paint drying on the needle and so he uses products called fluid retarder (which slows the drying time ) and flow improver; which does something similar. These reduce the problem but won’t stop it totally. Both these products are by Windsor and Newton in their Galleria range. They are not cheap but last ages because they are used dropwise after all the paint has to dry sometime. He is also very interesting on things like dilution and spraying pressures. Not trying to teach you to suck eggs but acrylics have their uses. Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water.
It was clearly my fault having the paint too thick and I have bought some flow improver so fingers crossed!
As a break from Brexit. I do look forward to every Friday when you upload a New Video.
Retired Irish rail craftsman 🇮🇪
Thanks Derek, I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it.
Great episode with great results! Clever of you to set up the running with the train blocking the tunnel entrance signal! (Yup, we got the point!)
I’m so pleased that you found it interesting mate. Regards Charlie
Excellent video as always. Living in Seychelles means I never have adverts in your videos!
An interesting point Tim, but without the ads, there would be no RUclips. Regards Charlie
Ooh..King George V on the Pullmans..reminds me of 1971 and the return to steam. Coming along very nicely Charlie, that section looking good now. Take care..all the best.
Exactly my intention Tim, you’re the first to spot it.
splendid Charlie great stuff made my day another one in my locker of knowledge thanks to you ,have a great weekend John from chichester.
Thanks John, you’re too kind mate. Regards Charlie
With reference to the signal leading into the station, it would have two aspects a red and either a yellow or a green. Today it would always be a yellow but it was not uncommon on some regions of BR to have a green reading to buffer stops and I can recall working on converting the signals approaching Euston in the late 70s or early 80s. I would suggest that you have a red/yellow signal.
You are right that a route indicator (often called a theatre type) would be provided and it would display an indication for each destination.
I think someone else has suggested that if you want to enter an occupied platform then a subsidiary signal would be used (two white lights) and quite often that would also apply to the route into the goods area rather than a yellow.
In the current day we would have a miniature route indicator for the subsidiary signals but it was not uncommon for the same route indicator to be used for both the main and subsidiary with the change to separate ones happening in the late 90s, if I remember right.
However, it is actually unlikely that you would put a colourlight signal where you are proposing it because of the fact the train would be hanging back over the junction and you would more likely use the signal the other side of the viaduct which protects the junction.
BUT it is your railway and it is what works for you so do what you like - your railway is much more advanced than mine which I am still working to get all the stock to run around without the occasional derailment and I have not got any signals yet!
An excellent point John, however with the compression of Scale there is no way of avoiding the train hanging over the junction. Regards Charlie
Hi Charlie, as to be expected a interesting and informative video, please keep up the excellent work.
I have read through the comments below and although I am by no means an expert, I agree with the comments about the entrance signal to the terminus station, I am not sure which accident lead to the rule change (mentioned by Cyberdon Blue), but I suspect it could be the Class 50 entering Paddington with a sleeper too fast. Which may mean you could still use a green for your period (as mentioned by John Alexander). Certainly under semaphores you will get a green home signal showing that the line is clear to the buffer stops.
Two other things struck me (again mentioned below), first the home signal for the terminus (if at danger) would leave the tail of the train on the mainline. Second the exit signal from the terminus has the potential for the terminus lines to be blocked waiting for trains to clear the junction and wondered if the starting signals would show the line clear onto the main.
Again, no expert, perhaps someone else might have other ideas.
Cheers, Bryan
Excellent points Bryan. However due to the compression is a scale some of these situations just can’t be avoided. Regards Charlie
You are bound to give me flashbacks, aren't you? Club had a specific mix of Floquil for railroad ties to emulate the American creosote-dipped timers; and a separate mix for "rail color." Sleeper color all over, then get out the masking tape to shoot the rails. The MoW squad would run track cleaners to insure the Operations Folks had no issues. Rinse and repeat.
Great stuff Captain Mac. Regards Charlie
Great progress Charlie
Nick Australia
Thanks Nick, regards Charlie
Enjoyable video as usual. I would have replaced the exit trap point to the goods yard with a shunting neck so that the yard could be shunted without encroaching onto the platform line's exit. My other idea is to have the base of a demolished signal box in the "derelict area" in the fork of the junction.
Interesting points David. However I’m going to put a disused signal box in the area. Regards Charlie
Great one Charlie, looking forward to the completion
Thanks Alan, I’m so pleased that you found the video interesting. Regards Charlie
Good one Charlie. Its always a pleasure to see you. I am using real often my bosch glue pen (or another similar) on the layout too. Interesting thing i noticed under the layout yesterday was that some of the glued things get loose when the weather gets hotter now. The glue detaches. Here in Germany we have 30-36° celsius. Never noticed such thing before. Hope your weater isn't so hot. :)
An interesting point Walton. 30° is an exception over here. Regards Charlie
Hi Charlie Another brilliant episode I would agree a signal protecting a terminal platform would suffice as a red/yellow with a “theatre box” giving specific destinations but don’t forget a subsidiary signal for those all important shunt and permissive movements into a siding or platform. As for the retaining wall Spot on as far as I’m concerned it looks really good I have been impressed by your scenery generally. Well done fella👏
Thanks Kev, what a heartwarming comment. Regards Charlie
Excellent progress Charlie. Great to see the use of that wall, there will be some places on the scenic level of Pevenbourne that will benefit from that ! And it looks as though I’m going to need to invest in one of those glue guns too. That’s what I love about this channel, every day’s a school day 😁
Just trying to keep you on your toes Bryan! Regards Charlie
To remove plastic sheen one can use white spirit as well, el cheapo.
Yes but it doesn’t give that uniform used sleeper look.
Hi Charlie, another great video. So many techniques covered from airbrushing track to sculpt a mould, signals and retaining walls. All fascinating stuff. I looked in your ‘show more’ tab for the black and decker hot,air gun! I wondered if the link might have led to the British museum😊. They don’t build them like that anymore!
It’s an epic tool, but sadly underutilised these days. Regards Charlie
Another entertaining video Charlie. When you was offering the celotex up for a hill I was shouting at the screen no no....and as quick as a flash you elbowed it. Its going to look great.
Clearly we sing from the same song sheet Les.
As a number of others have said acrylics need to be thinned down a lot more than enamels. Also, I think at 20psi the pressure is perhaps a little too high. Unlike enamels acrylics, need to be done in thin layers and be built up over several coats There is a very good series on RUclips from Ammo by Mig on spraying enamels and well worth a look. I use almost exclusively acrylics for both model and scenery work and find that once mastered there is very little problem.
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Great comment Geoff. Regards Charlie
Don't give up on airbrushing acrylics Charlie.
You obviously didn't have the mixture wet enough and it was clogging up as it passed through the airbrush.
Like any skill, it takes time to get it exactly right... and don't assume that "because it works like this with enamels, it should be the same for acrylics".
Try using IPA as a thinner because it evaporates rapidly.
The idea is that the mixture doesn't dry in the airbrush, but is 'only paint' when it hits the surface of what you're painting.
It's also worth remembering that the amount of thinning will need to change dependent on the pressure you're spraying at.
A light dusting will need more thinner because it spends more time inside the airbrush... a stronger blast will need less.
In the end, the Goldilocks zone of "just right" varies with the job!
An interesting comment Laura, many thanks. I clearly didn’t spend enough time in the prep to my dismay! Regards Charlie
Great video charlie but i noticed you still had tip on airbrush, cant you screw tip off so you can see the needle it gives you much more control on spray direction, watch airbrush asylum videos for tips 👍 i always thin my acrylics down 50/50 even ones they say you can use straight from bottle, hardly get any tip drying 👍👍
Great tips CP, and much appreciated, regards Charlie
Another great video Charlie..................but, like lots of modellers you cleaned the rust paint from the check rails on your points. Wheels never touched these and were always rusty. Even Little Bytham has made this mistake and he's not messing about like the rest of us ; )
Sorry Steve but it was you who has made the mistake! I sprayed on some paint to take if the shine from the sleepers. I have yet to apply ballast let alone painting rust onto the rails.
Regards Charlie
@@ChadwickModelRailway I stand corrected but its a bit of a pet hate of mine so hence the false start. Apologies
Great video Charlie, always like your scenic videos, makes me feel like I can achieve them! I also really like the idea of seeing things from the Driver's viewpoint, what a simple but great idea, after all God doesn't drive the trains, just assists with a "hand" every now and again :) . I'll be sure to implement this, thanks for the suggestion. Look forward to your next video.
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it AHJ.
Always Charlie, thanks for brightening my Fridays.
In that blackish area between the station line and the tunnel lines, you could put a signal box that can control the junction
You’re spot on but it might be derelict VW.
@@ChadwickModelRailway I’d love to see graffiti on it and a board in one of the windows of it like it’s been used and abused by trespassers
Yet another brilliant video, showing off some good landscaping construction. Well done on keeping your tee shirt clean, I was expecting at least a small amount of paint or filler at some point
So was I! Phew…..
Charlie I think we share a similar view point on the look of the track, there are some cracking layouts with gaps in sleepers at every joint, maybe I am too fussy. I use enamel and my next purchase will be a decent airbrush. Looking good Charlie
Thanks mate, we clearly sing from the same song sheet.
When spraying any kind of paint, it is important to filter it before charging the airbrush. That goes for full size spraying too, of course.
Yes I certainly learned some lessons this time. Regards Charlie
I can't be bothered doing landscaping or scenery, hence going outdoors. As for track weathering, nature is doing that for me 😂 and doing a good job of it.
Still, nice to watch someone else do it and I enjoyed the video.
As long as you enjoy what you do, that’s all that matters. Regards Charlie
I would go for a 2 aspect (Red and yellow) with a shunting signal on the post and 1, 2 and S on the route indicator. S being Sidings. This is what I've seen at Brighton where a train into the depot goes on a shunt signal but I defer to ex BR peoples knowledge here. Also the Southern region saw the light on a buffer stop as a signal so you'd have a yellow on the previous signal to that.
Exactly right mate. It’s only the letter into the goods area that requires a little more thought, whether it’s an S, G, or Y. Regards Charlie
Looking good mate! By the way, it's me, Green Shark. I changed my name
Thanks Liam, I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it.
I wasn’t looking forward to landscaping, or in my case, “buildingscaping”. But I’m really enjoying it more than track laying!
Thanks Redbank, regards Charlie.
Hi Charlie another great video mate I really enjoyed it every interesting the layout is looking great mate please keep up the good work mate stay safe and well mate goodbye for now clive in N.lreland
Thanks Clive, I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it. You’re a valued subscriber mate, regards Charlie
Nice video 👍
Thanks TS. Regards Charlie
Great video Charlie. I enjoy the breadth of topics you cover. I was interested to see the name Peter Kazmierczak pop up. Is that the same person who wrote articles In Model Railway Constructor magazine the late 70s and early 80s? I always used to look forward to those as a lad because they covered diesels and other “modern” topics at a time when every other article seemed to be about about GWR branch lines!
What an interesting comment James. I have absolutely no idea, he just popped up in the comments section. Regards Charlie
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- yes, it would show red or yellow (as terminus station - got to halt there, slow down) - we could say it was already there when the branch line went further, therefore the green light is out of use
- or you could say, if going in or not is decided at the signal or even in the station (Chadwick Parkway as it is, is very close) before, therefore you would only need "caution"/yellow and maybe the platform shown, but that would need clearance all the way
but let that be conformed by some british signalman
around 4:00
would put the tunnel entrance further down the line to get more incline for scenery and the block from the points to this signal would get longer, too - but do as you like it to look
Thanks mate, the final position of the tunnel mouth will be dictated when I build the hillside.
Good stuff, as ever, Charlie. I wondered how much of the back of the Noch wall is showing above the ground on the branch side, and whether you should have put some stone facing on that side too, especially if you're worried about pinholes in sleepers showing up on cab-ride videos. But maybe you're bringing the ground surface up high enough to hide the smooth back of the Noch wall.
A valid point Andrew, but I do have some of the wall available to trim and apply to the ends. Regards Charlie
Current mainline driver! It would a 2 aspect red yellow only with the theatre box!
Great stuff mate much appreciated, regards Charlie
Hi Charlie, ex driver / current signaller. As has been mentioned, now days the signal for a terminus would be a two aspect showing either single yellow or red. This changed in the eighties (I think), due to an accident (as with so many changes). But, as I understand it, you're modelling late sixties / early seventies? If this is the case, I'm almost positive it would've been a green and a red aspect on the final signal. Still only a two aspect though. The other thing is that for the sidings you wouldn't get a main aspect, but rather a subsidiary signal (now known as a associated position light). (The two white lights). These would also be used to get locos onto coaches in the platform as the main aspect couldn't be cleared. The Theatre Box route indicator would work with all signals (main aspects and position lights). I hope that's helpful. Paul
Very helpful thank you Paul. However, I will go for a two aspect, red and yellow. Regards Charlie
Very nice video.. Amazing I love the details... I love modeling landscape... I have subscribe your Chanel.. Sorry my Englisch I am from Switzerland.. Greetings from Switzerland Alex 😊😊👍👍
It’s great to have you on-board Alex. Regards Charlie
Hello Charlie.. Thank you.. You are welcome... I have also a nice Chanel... Alex🤔🤔😉😉😊😊😊👍👍👍
Another very good video, Charlie. The signal from the 'Barnstaple' station/goods area, isn't that a bit too close to the station/goods yard? Presumably, there'll be starter signals from them too. Would there be another so close? Presumably if the main line wasn't clear, the departing train would be held at the platform/goods yard as it would not clear points in the throat before your next signal..?
I think you’re right Mark, but at the end of the day with the most model railways compression will always be an issue. Regards Charlie
@@ChadwickModelRailway Indeed Charlie. I was just thinking of your pocket in buying signals! Think there are instances of 2 signals in close proximity - London Victoria (platform 19) and London Farringdon IIRC have 2 signals on same platform.. Anyway, your railway, your rules!!!
Thanks Mark.
Before you put all your acrylic paints in the bin Vallejo do a retarder to slow the drying time to aid airbrush working this is the part number Vallejo 17ml 597 196 Model Color - Drying Retarder 597, I have not used it myself yet but seen a few on RUclips use and they are more than happy with its preformance.
Thanks Steve, great advice.
Charlie use that area for a MOW yard old bits of track and ties and sort
An interesting point, but what does MOW stand for? Regards Charlie
At some point, East Grinstead had a 2-Aspect signal topped with a Dot-Matrix/Marquee Display that showed the number 1 or 2 depending on which platform the train was to use. There were *No Feathers.*
This signalling diagram shows the E/G marquee display signal - Upper Line, RH side: www.rmweb.co.uk/community/uploads/monthly_10_2015/post-658-0-77754900-1444729824.jpg
A triangular Shunt Signal can be mounted on the signal pole below the main signal and can, if not locked by an opposing route, operate despite the 'platform' aspect of the main signal above it.
For Example:
In your two platform station, P1 is occupied. A train approaches the station and is signalled into P2 via the 2 aspect/marqee display signal. Another train approaches for the Goods Yard. It stops at the Red signal. However, even though the Main Signal is at Red, if the Shunt signal then indicates a movement is allowed, then the train may proceed past the signal at Red into the Goods Yard, Siding et al.
Everything is, of course, interlocked.
Although the East Grinstead example doesn't appear to have the Shunt signal it shouldn't be any great shakes to incorporate one for your layout.
A great comment and my intention exactly mate.
If you wish to colour sculptamold try concrete colouring powder, just a teaspoon will do a batch the size you made.
Now there’s something I’ve never heard of Mark, great tip, regards Charlie
My first thought was a triple feather signal with arms at 0, 45 and 90 degrees right. But if you can get it a theatre box would be much better and very unusual on a model to boot!
I concur Absolute Aspects do such a set up Marvellous! 👍
I’m so pleased that you agree guys.
Morning Charlie. Why not suspend the signal from the tunnel mouth surround, so raising it above the oncoming train?
I had thought about it David but I couldn’t find an image online, as an example. Regards Charlie
True!
Good !
Rather than risking life and limb from enraging your better half by using kitchen knives to cut the insulation, £10 to £20 buys an insulation hand saw from, eg, Toolstation or Screwfix. If you have a multitool, you can get blades for cutting insulation panels.
I shall check it out Stephen, thanks.
Charlie, I was worried to see you mixing sculptamold in your lovely Chadwick polo shirt knowing how many t-shirt casualties you tell us about. I was gutted to see you had splattered it at the end. Hope it comes off? Great video as always!
Charlie have you thought of donning an apron for these messy tasks? 😂
Luckily gentlemen the T-shirt survived. Unlike the spot of paint on my chin!
The signal should be 2 aspect, with ‘callon’ into goods yard or occupied platform
All sorted now thanks Dave.
Charlie, do you ballast your track? If you do, that would cover up nail holes.
Yes James I do always ballast my track, but not over the top of the sleepers. Regards Charlie
forgive me, might just be overkill but in my job i spray alot of waterborne paints through a hvlp set up, i would always adivse you use the resporator over the disposable, it offers a better seal and will stop more nastys from entering your lungs and trust me waterborne paint do have nastys. just a thought
Thanks Jake, an interesting and important point. Regards Charlie