How to Make a Good Fantastic Four Movie
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- Опубликовано: 14 май 2024
- Since Hollywood is unable to make a good Fantastic Four movie, I'll explain how.
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I'd also make a point to use Jack Kirby's artwork as the basis for the entire production design. Several things irritated me about the Tim Story films, but maybe the worst was that the production was uninspired and boring-looking. Kirby created pages and pages worth of sci-fi vistas, machinery, character and costume designs, etc. That stuff needs to go up on a wall as concept art, and get used for the whole look of the film.
Now we're seeing Marvel try a bit of this sort of thing on stuff like the upcoming Thor movie, but any adaptation of Fantastic Four should make full use of Kirby. The man was a genius, and FF was arguably the best thing he ever did.
YES. THIS.
The words I would always use for FF is 'Mad High Science' with a strong Jack Kirby influence, so totally.
Yeah that was the good thing about the Doctor Strange movie. I think they picked up on the fact that Strange himself doesn't have that much of a character story, but the real appeal would be the rock album visuals. So they ran with it and it works. It's still too bad he doesn't have quite the character story I would like, but it's fine.
Kirby is King, but I think John Byrne took the FF to a new level. His multi-episode arcs hold up. Imagine the Frankie Raye/Galactus storyline on the big screen with the rest of the MCU. Also, did anyone ever read the 1995 Chris Columbus FF screenplay? At least on the page, it seemed very faithful to the comics.
I'd pull from John Byrne too -- personally, his classic run was the first time I read FF on a regular basis. But even Byrne would say he was doing his best attempt at aping Kirby (and Stan Lee). More so than a lot of other comic book characters, Kirby and Lee pretty much ARE the Fantastic Four. Their establishing 100+ issue run was definitive, and although a (very) few other creators have managed to add something to that over the years, all of them were trying to measure up, and pay homage to it.
1: Skip the Origin
2: Get the Characters Right
3: Hold off on Doctor Doom
4: MAKE IT BIG
Here's an idea,make a solo Doctor Doom movie first. Tell his origin. Without the Fantastic Four in it. Tell how he went from the son of a gypsy. To the ruler of Latveria. Establish him as a badass then bring him in for maybe the second or third fantastic for movie if they get the first one right. Use someone like Annihilus for the first FF movie. Maybe the mole man for the second movie. Tie it all together in the third movie With doom having put everything in motion in some grand plan he has.
@@ronniehesson1302 I agree with the whole solo dr doom movie. C mon marvel
@@ronniehesson1302 I would also personally be down for a Disney+ original series centred around Doctor Doom's origins. In fact, that'd arguably be better, since that'll give us at least 4 to 8 hours' worth of Victor's development into Doctor Doom, as well as plenty of Latverian world-building (depending on the length and quantity of each episode).
Establish their characters as Superheros from the 1960's who disappeared during a mission inside the Negative Zone. Then have someone like Ant-man have a movie where he inadvertently saves the Fantastic four (who haven't aged)after stealing the negative zone technology.
Slackman that would actually be pretty cool I would love for that to happen in their movie
You have my condolences for watching all 3 Fantastic Four movies in one week.
Obi-Wan Kenobi why do I see you everywhere?
General Kenobi!
Must be, because he's a Force Ghost? (shrugs) or he just posts alot on YT!
Obi-Wan Kenobi Hello there
Obi-Wan Kenobi the first 2 weren't that bad
The real reason they're all bad is because with each the intention wasn't to make a good film, they only made them to desperately keep the rights to the characters.
And in the process made sure the property is beyond repair by the time it goes into the hands of DIsney.... CHECKMATE
@@Vishnu_Karthik Disney: ... and where did that bring you? Back to me.
With no Tony Stark, they will need Reed Richards.
Reed Richards should have been at the center of the time-plan of Avengers: End Game. As I watched, it was just out of place for Tony and Bruce to do the groundwork - not their specialty. Reed's egghead would have been perfect - and I created a dimensional warp in the story to explain it. Somehow - Reed drew up that plan.
DesertBro I actually think Reed would be out of place story wise in Endgame. That story is chiefly about the original six Avengers. If Marvel had gotten the rights to the FF sooner in time for them to have FF play a role in Endgame I suspect Reed would’ve been among the dusted much like Hank Pym was. If Reed was there they wouldn’t need Tony to figure out time travel.
@@DesertBro agree but disagree for the universe they created it fit but Reed will always be better than Tony to me
Rip Jack Kirby the true mvp
The King.
Now that Disney has bought Fox. The Marvel executives needs to watch this video and take notes.
EXACTLY!!!
EMAN67 (Movies,politics,commentary) Being paid posthumously isn't enough. As it wasn't during their actual life times did they ever receive the funds and royalties artists in the comic book industry receive today by comparisons. Kirby's estate, along with Jerry Siegel & Joe Shuster (creators of Superman) would have to be paid royalties in back payments (with or without "inflation" provided really depends?) currently given the results of the court cases which as seen some justice being provided for the families as of late!
P.S. Actual take the time to properly listen to Mark Evanier and others on Jack Kirby past the 9 or 10 minute mark on this particular Kirby documentary o.k. as it'll inform you and plenty more, on how frustrating it was for Kirby working in an art field like comic books. Something he truly loved while its system provided the bulk of money for the industry! And not its artist and writers in the longterm.
Unless like Stan Lee you invested in the company you worked for or had a foot up because your uncle worked at Timely Comics etc? (before it became Marvel Comics) and got you work there and so on.
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When I was a kid in the 1970's, the Thing was the Wolverine of his day--very popular, had his own comic, etc. I recently started reading the FF after they came out again, and the Thing is still one of the great comic book characters. He has a very distinctive perspective, personality, and voice, and he is naturally funny when called for.
I think you hit on something with Doom. He's not one villain like Joker, he could be on the scale they tried to make Loki in the Avengers and even bigger. He can be the overarching villain and reluctant hero over like, the entirety of a cinematic universe. He can't be left as a bad guy like Yellow Jacket was.
As someone who worked on the most recent movie, I TOTALLY agree with you. But hey, the filmmakers don't listen to me, I am but a humble artist. XD
I'm not legally allowed to talk about specific events regarding that film in particular, but I was employed as a matte painter at the time (still am). VFX artists are in a tough spot, we have no unions, no legal support, and the industry kind of treats us like pixel-monkeys. But hey, you've gotta be a little crazy work in this industry anyways I guess. XD
Josh Evans totally, thanks for answering! really hoping the artists get treated better.
The movies keep falling into the hands of people who understand nothing abt the original characterizations. The most compelling aspects are constantly discarded. Fighting amongst themselves but always coming back together knowing that they are family.
Serious question: what are matte paintings used for in this era of CGI?
Nearly every major film released still uses them. It's still the most cost effective and convincing way of creating environments. The artform has changed over the decades though, now we paint digitally and project that painting on to cg geometry in order to give the illusion of things like parallax and perspective...it's quite a bit different from the classic technique of oil on glass. To be honest though, I don't know a SINGLE digital artist who doesn't wish we did everything practically but sadly our hands are tied.
how to make good FF movie : step 1 sell the rights back to marvel
LOL
Yeah, that's so true. I'm not a FF fan, but listening to this video made me curious how good FF movie would be. I'm actually really mad at Fox...like really? Why do they need those rights, so stupid. If they sell them they will probably get some money right?
Agreed. The basic thesis of this clip is correct; it's not that hard to make a good FF movie. The FF has been stuck with lousy stories.
I especially agree that Doom has been horribly mis-handled. He's not only as smart as Reed Richards, but he's as good with mech as Tony Stark. Given his strength with magic (or did they retcon that?) he's really Richards/Stark/Strange. Talk about a power house!
A good examination of Doom's personality as described by Patrick is in the Superman/Spiderman team-up. His constant dismissive addressing Supes as "alien," along with his questions as to what Superman can honestly do for humanity is illuminating. Doom thinks Kal-El is wasting everyone's time by not ruling the world, and dismisses the "alien" as an obstacle to his own plans. Get out of the way and let someone qualified do the job as it were.
1993geekboy Fox were successful with Logan and Deadpool, the first two X-Men and a couple of the new ones. They will continue to work on FF
but they prove us that they don't know how to make a FF movie, even if they made a good one nobody wants a FF from them the brand is already damaged
Who else comes here after Fantastic 4 was confirmed to join the MCU?
KK i did
Probably xmen
@HahaItsPatrick that's gonna happen
I watching this after Marvel Announced MCU Fantastic Four movie
I'd have the origin story in the opening credits, kind of like The Incredible Hulk. Like, the first 3 minutes of the film. It'd be a cool special effect montage. Then we can have the 4 training or something and then some threat comes and the 4 have to stop it and boom, you've established their teamwork in the first 15 minutes. There's also a bunch of other villains they could use besides Doom
Part of the problem is that FF are science based. The Mole Man would be a hard sell. Galactus, Doom and the Silver Surfer are kinda who they're stuck with. Wanna bet the next FF movie has the skrulls ?
Pick a spidey villain, put him in FF. A lot of them could work if you want to go small.
@@gauge6513 Annihilus?
During the beginning credits they could switch between rotating freeze frames of important events during their origin story like being caught in an explosion and gaing their powers and things like that.
@@gauge6513 Annihilus maybe?
Set it in the 1960's...
Make their first villain the Mole Man and his monsters.
This is exactly what the MCU Fantastic Four should be like.
@@Jay-Da-Giant I think they will take something from the first arc of ultimate fantastic four
John Byrne's FF is one of the greatest things to ever happen in Marvel Comics.
John Byrne's anything. FIFY.
John Byrne's works in general are incredible
Captain marvel is confirmed to take place in the 90's and feature the skrulls,,if marvel gets the rights back they could really make a movie About FF set in the 60's! And The skrulls could be featured in it! It would really connect!
Awesome4Life I love how it takes place in the 90s, it will probably explain why Carol Danvers wasn’t in The Avengers movie
But Awesome4Life, They just put the 90s as a Flashback in the movie when SHIELD are searching for Mar-Vell, Carol Danvers will be in 2019.
NO, It will be set in 1990's for the rest of the movie. Ronan, Coulson, Fury will be back.
Yep you could have the FF pop up again in modern times from a Wormhole still stuck in 60's mode. Could even have Herbie the Robot too. Would love that.
BLAIR M Schirmer that’s what I was thinking too, hope that’s what they end up doing
Spoiler alert:
I wonder who it is that has bought Tony Starks Avenger building in the MCU.... I was thinking maybe that will become the Baxter building? Or could it be Norman Osborn? But my first thought was "YES Baxter building!!!!" when I saw it beeing sold.
Characters like Norman Osborn, Harry, Mary Jane etc don't exist in MCU and they probably never will coz of rights issue with Sony. Its most likely going to be Baxter building plus it kinda makes sense, Reed is the type of guy who would wanna continue Tony's legacy (one super genius to another)
in the newest spiderman it’s pretty much confirmed it’s gonna be the baxter building
VARIANT NERD
Definitely not Osborn now.
Probably Reed Richards or Wilson Fisk
*The FF are NOT superheroes.* They don't stop purse snatchers or bank robbers. They go places we've never seen before and challenge the unknown for humanity's benefit. If they meet some cosmic baddie, they'll stop'em, sure. But that's not why they exist. *They're a family first, adventurers second, scientists third, and superheroes LAST.*
Think Star Trek + Doctor Who + The Incredibles + 2001: A Space Odyssey. That's the FF. Thank you for nailing that point so eloquently. It drives me fucking NUTS when people think about the FF like they think about Spider-man or the Avengers.
But the incredibles are superheroes so your argument isn't that solid.
@@fightingmedialounge519 Is *that* the only reason his/her argument isnt solid? Did you miss what else they pointed out or did you just zoom into the one aspect that you didn't like and *miss* what else they said.
The Incredibles is just one part of an influence that he/she laid out. And it's probably there because of tone and atmosphere.
Sorry it just boggles my mind when people come up with all of this cool stuff to do with FF and it just gets dismissed for random stuff.
@@fightingmedialounge519 "Think Star Trek + Doctor Who + The Incredibles + 2001: A Space Odyssey"
Incredibles were just one part of the puzzle, that wasn't the sole comparison they were going for. The Incredibles are a super hero team, yes but clearly they were going more for a family of super humans who go on epic Sci-Fi adventures with the whole comparison between so many series. If they mentioned Incredibles alone you'd have a valid argument, but they didn't.
This point is what finally got me to understand the appeal of the FF
Whether or not you qualify the Fantastic Four as Super heroes depends on how you define super heroes.
I agree Dr. Doom is underestimated, and the relationship of Doom is so much more interesting that any movie have time to put into it, with his main reason for power being to save his dead mothers soul(being) from Mephisto... then if you want to get into the later stories that could be a great place for 2 or 3 add Franklin and his sister showing more of the family side, and if I remember right there was a story where Franklin ask Doom for help... maybe...
You mean Val Richards who asked Doom help?
right, thanks, knew I was off on part of that, point still the same the 2 children would add to the family aspect and the link to Doom would be interesting
I love how Val calls Dr DOOM _'Uncle Victor'_ just as Franklin calls LOGAN _'Unca Wolvie'._
Doom is underestimated but not the greatest comic book villain of all time
I'm from the future. Spiderman works fine without the origin story
kersianBW hey u were right!!!
I'm from the further future. It does again.
It also works great with 7 origin stories
I'm from the future, Captain Marvel definitely doesn't work
@@cheetoschrist5685 haven't seen it
I think it's why I like RICK & MORTY. It's about a dysfunctional family that go on crazy sci-fi adventures into outer space and other dimensions. They even took spoofed the FF's "Council of Reeds" with the "Council of Ricks".
Mokkari77 Lmao they did?
It's also because you have a high IQ
Mokkari77 rick and morty is for 14 year olds that brush their teeth every other day
See before Rick & Morty, there was Futurama. You folks need to respect that
Kaizer-Man Yeah, and without Back to the Future there wouldn’t be a Rick & Morty, how ‘bout it, eh?
This video should be like nine seconds with the words "give it back to marvel" in comic sans across the screen
I am gonna have to disagree with you Patrick. I hope you don't get to see it, I hope you get to create it. Honestly dude, your passion, knowledge, and work ethic means one of these days you will get your shot at making a comic book movie. When that day happens I am gonna be so pumped for you!
Thanks so much, Austin! I really appreciate it.
You welcome my friend. I left you a little gift for you to find. :)
Oh I saw. Thanks, man. ;)
As lousy as the last FF movie was, he couldn't do any worse.
Mole man should be the first bad guy.
Followed by a trip to the Negative Zone, and having to escape Annihilus.
Maybe at the end of their arc, Johnny dies and the FF are born, and that further's Spider-Man's character?
I just want Dr Doom to be done right
How about they take a trip to Atlantis and Namor tries to woo Sue Storm.
Revisiting this in anticipation of a Fantastic Four announcement either at SDCC or D23 this summer
instead of Doom as a villain, start off with the Skrulls! That would take care of antagonists and sci-fi space exploration in one swoop
SirThinks2Much even better Annihlus so we can explore the negative zone.
+Doc Reasonable ...That's actually a really good idea.
Given the Skrulls are an allegory for innocent refugees in the MCU, I hope to God they don't use Skrulls as villains.
@@ravenfrancis1476 yeah i wrote that comment a year before Captain Marvel came out, didn' t know that then. Don't know what I'd do now
Here's my take:
First movie: Make a whole movie on Doom (based on the "Books of Doom" series) and how he has to take down the dictator of Latveria that killed his family.
Second movie: All about the FF (who already have their powers) and have to take down Skrulls "Secret Invasion" style (it would be obviously scaled down from the original storyline, but the scenario fits the 60's golden age sci-fi era). Doom could make an appearance to begrudgingly help the FF, if only to protect himself and Latveria.
Third movie: This is the movie where they build up FF vs Doom. You already have two movies that focused on building all the main characters, and now we see them fighting over something (clash of ideology, macguffin, whatever).
All movies: Would take place in the 60's; would have a deconstruction-reconstruction on the theme of family
From a marketing standpoint, doing the Doom standalone movie first would be good just to give an olive branch to audiences who were underwhelmed by the villain's previous incarnations (assuming the film is good of course).
That sounds awesome, actually. But if there was ONE THING that the films did that I LOVE... it's that they made Victor part of the mission that got them their powers. It makes a powerful connection between Doom and the FF.
But I also love the idea you have there as well.
True, they did that with Iron Man and Ant Man! Sadly the films don't capitalize on how much Doom and the FF are opposites of each other. Doom is the introvert who can get things done by himself; the FF get things done as a family. Doom hides his face while the FF don't don masks. Doom uses science to conquer while the FF use it to better humanity.
I think even individual parallels can be drawn among the members of the group. Both Doom and Grimm have to deal with the physical scarring they've both been dealt with. Doom was once more playful and cocky like Johnny. He had a love like Sue that was also lost to him. And of course, Richard is his intellectual equal that he despises.
It's all well and good until the executives demand that you change it though :(
sparx401 I think FOX just saw your comment and announced the stand-alone Doom movie
Valdir Henrique Yeah... I love that Noah Hawley will direct it, but this is some stupid bulls**t on Fox’s part.
But make it non-comic booky.
Just like Thanos, Dr. Doom should have his own saga
Yeah the MCU should do the Doom saga!
Darth Vader was based on Doctor Doom
I will only watch a new Fantastic Four movie if Marvel Cinematic Universe owns it and makes it with love, respect and justice. Personally, I think a good Fantastic Four movie made by Marvel Cinematic Universe will probably happen after I die
Cosric Khan dont lose hope yet because Disney already bought Fox but it will take 12 to 18 months for the government approval
Yea you’re in luck, my friend !
Cosric Khan: I think an MCU FF movie will only happen after I die
Marvel: Hold my beer
Hope never dies. It just gets bought by Disney and put into a gauntlet to rule over all.
spoilers
.... sometimes, she does crumble to dust though.
Unless you die in the next 3 years, you’ll see a MCU FF. Can’t wait for them to knock it out of the park, because so many people doubt it can work
Would you think introducing the fantastic 4 into the MCU after infinity gauntlet?
LIke they are the jumping point for a whole new age of films.
(that being MCU gets there hands on it)
Have you ever read Nel Gaimen Sandman and what do you think about it?
Honestly ANY time the FF can join the MCU would be good. They would fit perfectly.
Also yes I've read Sandman and I adore it.
Rothur honestly it would be a great PR move for Fox to give F4 to Marvel. Let Fox be know as the home of the X Men not X Men and the Fantastic pile of shit
I think they already sold it back and are just trying to save face so they don't seem incompetent
I''ve always thought that a way you could maintain the original FF origin (i.e. Cold-War era rocket trip) would be to have them stuck in the Negative Zone for 50 years and emerge in the present day. They would put a twist on the "fish out of water" crap that would typically go in a script of that kind by having Reed's 50 year old tech be more advanced than present day and he just laugh's and uses it like it's nothing. Annihilius could follow them out of the Negative zone and they could save Doom for later.
Holy shit that it is a GREAT idea
I feel there are so many awesome adventures and Lee-Kirby series that this should be maybe like a Netflix or Hulu show but then again the team is too important to the universe and are pretty photogenic in terms of movies that they need a movie.
Neil Gaiman's Marvel 1602 addressed half of the main point pretty well. They were explorers still, but of the sea in an age where the edges of the map weren't drawn in yet. And they are referred to as Marvel's First Family, tying in the history lesson and the half of the main point. They are a family of explorers. Why have none of the movies embraced that? So I totally agree with you and I think all of your points are good. Great video!
Here is a clue: give rights back to Marvel. Phase Four = Fantastic Four.
Calum Sanderson no marvel wasn't owned by Disney back then and they needed money so they sold off the fantastic 4
Question "How to make a good fantastic four movie"
Answer: give it back to marvel
Done
Second Answer: Hire Brad Bird as writer AND director
You mean Marvel studio! Fantastic four is already Marvel...
Ask and it shall be done.
There's a good Fantastic Four movie! It's called "The Incredibles" and it's perfect!
Lena Storm honest trailers
Incredibles is *not* The Fantastic Four. It's one of my fav movies, but it's NOT the FF.
It's one part James Bond, one part Watchmen, and superficially similar to Fantastic Four.
Lena Storm If Brad Bird directed a good Fantastic Four movie then he should direct a Fantastic Four movie!
@@pradipsinhrana7319 Actually, I was quoting the Nostalgia Critic and not HT.
ItsGregBR Explorers and scientists.
Maybe, similar to Doctor Strange, Victor is a friend of the Fantastic Four, especially Reed. He helps them throughout the movie. He could even be considered an honorary member of the team, despite having no superpowers. But in the final battle, when Victor is assisting them, Reed makes a tough decision which results in Victor being completely scarred and traumatised. It would add a nice spin to the "final battle" trope, because everything isn't fully resolved in the end, and despite saving the world, the Fantastic Four still ultimately fail by creating Doctor Doom. It would be interesting to see his transition from hero to villain this way as his fallout would be more emotional.
No. I want a really evil villain, a tyrant.
Or they could just stick yo the original canon
Changing the on-screen origin because REASONS? Nope. Been done. No, thank you.
I just noticed Chris Evans play both the Human Torch and Captain America. *face palms*
Kirby PPG You... just NOW noticed that? :-O
Hey, I thought he was a great Johnny Storm. In fact I thought the casting in the first two movies was 3/4 excellent. Alas, Jessica Alba doesn't have the chops for the role, even if she has the looks. They were saddled with a ludicrous script.
Kate Mara is a strong actress, but I can't say how well she would handle the character given a good script. I refuse to watch that abortion they released in 2015.
She did quite nicely in Zoom, though. :)
dude, cevans is 60% of why the fantastic four was decent :D
Kirby PPG Michael B. Jordan was also the Human Torch and just recently Killmonger
Caseytify Ioan Grufford was a forgettable Reed Richards
Fantastic Fourth! (BOOM)
Well since Marvel Studios can use these characters again, I'm excited to see what they have planned in MCU Phase 4
Now that its finally been announced, let's send this video to Kevin Fiege!
How about having FF fight Namor and Atlantis, Then we still have them on earth but exploring an exotic place and heck it could end where they stop the war Atlantis have against USA or the land dwellers and become friend with Namor.
Gripen1974 Marvel plans to do something with Namor soon.
Ahhh Johnny Storm restores memory Namor after the barroom fight by dropping him into the Hudson River .... That alone is worth the price of admission !!!
Fantastic Four=Marvel's Doctor Who (but with a family). I can totally see it.
Interesting perspective, adding Guardians of the Galaxy in there as a comparable part of it. I think one thing that also appealed to them was the 'underdog loser' aspect that the movie used. Throw in the colorful elements that you mentioned and it seemed to work.
Going back to the Doctor Who hook, having them already be seasoned adventurers/explorers when the movie starts sounds fun. Don't make it entirely about punchy punchy fighty fighty (which will happen of course because superheroes, but still). I like the idea of a mysterious occurrence showing up and a lot of the movie being about them finding out what's going on.
Well Disney got the rights!☺
More like they bought the whole company
I enjoyed watching this! Here's a thought: Have the movie start in 1961...move forward a few years, but than have Reed,Sue,Johnny & Ben accidentally time travel to 2019 (Or whatever year the movie comes out) I think when the "Origin" took place, space flight was just beginning, and no one knew would happen to the human body in space..over time. The personalities worked so well in the 60's and it would be neat to see the Lee/Kirby concept start in a time when it was created and how the characters would deal with the future.
When they do reboot FF I would love to see it take place in the 60's. That era and the Jack Kirby esthetics just go hand in hand with each other.
Make it set in the 1960's. That could be interesting.
YESSS! I needed to hear this. Growing up Fantastic four was my favorite Marvel superhero group. Imagine a great Fantastic 4 movie in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. I feel like that would greatly expand and improve it. Idk whats going on at Marvel's headquarters but they need you Patrick. You have the perfect knowledge blend between Film and Comics. They NEED You.
I never did know much about the Fantastic Four, didn't even know they have such big influence over Marvel. The way you explained it makes the team sound so fun and creative that I agree, the executives should understand their approach to the next movie.
X1, X2 and Days of Future Past are also great movies with Wolwerine in it. He wouldn't be should a beloved character otherwise
José Gregorio Zapata I agree. Hugh Jackman does well as Wolverine if he's given good script.
José Gregorio Zapata x1 is boring. X2 is good. Dofp is overrated but good but i hate the mystique is the main character because jlaw portrays her wtf.
José Gregorio Zapata none of those movies are great. Especially the first X-men movie. (but I didn't think Logan was great either)
X1 is shit. X2 aged really bad.
Also, Doom is a magician
Sorcerer.
Magician implies some 2-bit hack doing parlour tricks.
He's like Lex Luthor in ego combined with the magic proficiency of Dr. Strange (he was actually a candidate for Sorcerer Supreme) with the scientific know how of Reed Richards with power armor rivaling that of Iron Man, and he rules a successful fictional country like Black Panther. The movies constantly just make him some rich dick head that turns metal, he is FAR more interesting then that. About the only thing they got right is the fact that Doom routinely manages to steal god like cosmic powers from people when he gets the chance, he does this with Silver Surfer, Odin, the Beyonder, that is the only thing they get right with Doom.
RUclips didn't show that I had watched this already, so I started watching it, realized I'd already seen it a few minutes in, and then just finished watching the whole thing again anyway. SO GOOD JOB, PATRICK.
This video is exactly why i never went to see these Fantastic Four (in name only) movies at the box office in the last 14 years since 2004. Because as somebody who actually read the FF comics. The films and their trailers never grabbed me that these FF films were true adaptations of what i read in the comics while growing up or saw in the animated shows on TV etc. Good video, i disagree on alot of ideas though especially in regards to Dr Doom you don't need to do multiple films to get him right although he does require more backstory that say a; Magneto for the X-Men, or Red Skull or Loki for the MCU films etc. But you'll get a thumbs up from me because as FF fans we can all relate to the problems Hollywood's missing in not making a proper adaptation work with the Fantastic Four films overall!
or just give it back to marvel
At the very least make a deal to share FF rights with Marvel like the Sony Spider-Man deal...and let Marvel have creative rights!
NEXSNRG? The thing is that Marvel won't do that. It's a bad business deal. Marvel can't receive ANY money from the movies. They went for the Spidey deal because Spidey merchandise SELLS. Fantastic Four won't sell at all, and the only ones reaping the profit is FOX. That's why Marvel won't do it. They're waiting for FOX to sell the entire rights back or give it back. That's the better deal (better than producing free movies for FOX).
Okay, so I'm back to hoping Fox gives up on the property because it's not profitable enough for them (because they just don't know how to handle it).
OR Fox can just make a great Fantastic Four movies. With Deadpool and Logan, things are looking up again for Fox and I think they may have learned the important key to those films' success: being true to the soul of the comics and its characters.
I desperately do not want any of the Fox Marvel Properties to go to Marvel Studios. Less competition, meaning a lesser product in the end and also... this is just me, the individual heroes feel less special when in a cinematic universe. Also, I've always been quite disgusted with the entire CONCEPT of a cinematic universe as of late due to Marvel Studios and DC failing to make MOVIES. They make movies that build up to another movie that builds up another movie. Superhero movies seem to have no beginning, middle, and end anymore like they did before 2012 and stand on their own as FILMS.
George Daugherty lol competition are too much now. If marvel studios have f4, there will be less chance of this superhero fatigue. F4 needs to interact with avengers. F4 is just too bland on its own.
I don't think origin is key to whether movie is good or not, but I agree people may be bored of it.
I do think getting the characters right is top priority. Chris Evans was amazing in that role despite those movies not being good. His character and the human torch powers visually were awesome. And silver surfer looked awesome. He could have his own movie.
I think you need a director and producers that are artists. I think some marvel movies are works of art - Dr Strange, Guardians of Galaxy. Fantastic Four needs a great director and artist at the helm. I doubt they will line up a strong enough creative team to pull it off.
I think the moments that shined in all three movies were when they got the powers right and portrayed them well on screen. Those powers are really a big part of FF. Make them cool, make them exciting, write scenes to show them off.
Strong stories and villains are necessary but get the characters and powers right first and foremost.
Great and valid points!!! Fantastic Four has always been my favorite superhero group! The Thing was my favorite childhood action figure and Reed Richards is my favorite character.
Thank you so much for making this video. It’s taken me a while to build up the courage to watch it-I have a deep love for the FF and it often hurts to see clips and images from any of the movies that have gotten them so wrong. It especially stings because I’ve written several different versions of an MCU FF movie in my head, and a bit on paper, and I can say without bragging that making a good FF movie is more than possible-if you comb through all the MCU movies, Marvel has already nailed all the pieces they’d need to make one:
1. the joy and beauty of science and learning (Iron Man, Ant-Man, Spider-Man, etc.)
2. the weird, dysfunctional family that bickers and struggles to get along but when shit goes down they’ve got each other’s backs, no matter what (the Guardians, the Avengers, Ant-Man and Wasp, Thor and Loki)
3. the wondrous, otherworldly settings (the Quantum Realm, Vormir, Ego’s planet, the Mirror Dimension, etc.)
4. the meaningful character arcs and development (Rocket, Gamora, Thor, Steve, Tony)
5. the ability to take both beloved and little-known villains from the comics and portray them as complex, compelling, credible threats (Loki, Thanos, Zemo, Killmonger, Vulture), or at least as strange, memorable opponents (Hela, Ego, Mysterio, Ghost, etc.)
6. the willingness to embrace weird, lesser known elements from the comics (literally everything from Guardians, Doctor Strange, Ragnarok, Shang-Chi, WandaVision, and so many others in the later phases).
See? Marvel’s done all the homework; they’ve got the chops to make a FF and make it well. Their track record is pretty freaking good, so despite being wronged so many times before, I’m willing to get my hopes up once again for a good Fantastic Four film.
I want one comic book adaption.... Doctor Doom x Doctor Strange
I ship it.
Joey Enochs I'm pretty sure if you do enough digging on the Internet, you can find some... interesting "movies". Just be careful, you might scare yourself.
Mike Mignola is the best, isn't he?
ooohhh.. with Iron Man? Since Doom can do both magic and tech it'd take both the awesome facial hair bros to take him down.
Do you mean the time they went to Hell together to rescue Doom's mom from Mephisto?
the only 'real' critique on RUclips. Well done Patrick. I admire this very much and I hope to see you grow.
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While I agree that a film can skip the origin story, I soundly disagree with the idea that their origin story is unimportant. A big part of it, character-wise, is that the accident that gave them their powers is unquestionably Reed's fault, and they often go back and forth in blaming him for it, and Ben's transformation in particular.
I took "unimportant" to mean "the film will be just as good if you gloss over it because you can focus on other stuff". kinda like how civil war and homecoming showed some of peter's early footage but glossed over the details since we'd already seen it twice in film adaptations
I personally would love to see a Doctor Doom backstory movie. he is one of my favorite comic book villains and very sympathetic in a way. he has understandable motives that can be flushed out in his own movie, which would be super cool.
Of course Dr Doom is the greatest comic book villain of all time, I mean a fucking rapper created his whole persona after him!
...Who?
Ultinuc MF DOOM check him out he's amazing
wow this is a different type of video than i'm used to (only discovered you about a year ago). what a different format you used to use. and you've developed so much !
Get Guillermo Del Toro as a director and you'll have the PERFECT Fantastic Four movie in the MCU
I'd still like to see a Sue who is literally and figuratively (is there a word for that when it's both?) a mother. It is an essential part of her character and one of the things that makes her so beloved.
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Thank you from the bottom of my heart for making this video. The Fantastic Four have been my favorite heroes since I was tiny, and I've had to sit through each attempt to adapt their comics, watching my beloved team and their fascinating dynamics and storylines get whittled down to nothing and shoved into poor excuses for films. Despite this, I still believe that they can make a good film (often citing The Incredibles as proof, just as you did). Now, as an adult, I've decided that maybe the only way to get a good film/series/or anything else might be to write it myself, so that's what I think I'm going to do. So from a diehard fan: thank you for creating this video and trying to imbue the same faith I have in the FF into others, especially after so many films that could've torn down your hope in an eventual good one. Thank you so much.
Ha ha ha! Now Disney can make a Fantastic Four movie, just imagine what an MCU Doctor Doom could be like. The future is looking good
Mcu better do this *fast* !
G B Nope. If there’s anything the MCU take us, it’s that slow & steady wins the race. Infinity War was the culmination of 10 years worth of build up, Thanos had been gradually introduced as a villain to fear for 6 years from 2012 - 2018. Acting quick & rushing Dr Doom as a villain to be introduced & defeated in just one or two films will just make him look weak like the 2005 & 2015 ones did.
It’s difficult as there’s so many great characters like The Skrulls, Dr Doom, Kingpin, Norman Osborn, Galactus, etc that fans would love to see introduced to the MCU but in reality seeing as the MCU will not last forever and will inevitably one day come to an end, we’re likely to only see one or two if we’re lucky of the names we mentioned.
But it’s better for us to see only a few key characters and story arcs from the comics if they’re covered well, in depth & adapted beautifully, rather than have movies shovelled out with many villains and characters crammed in with no depth behind it so we end up with an overstuffed and flawed end product like Sam Raimi’s Spider-Man 3.
I’m honestly not certain we’ll ever see Dr Doom in the MCU or even the Fantastic 4. Of course I’m hopeful, but if it’s a choice of them not showing the characters as they don’t feel it can be done faithful to the comics, or just quickly rushing it out with the only intention to ensure they make it to the MCU, id take the former option.
I don’t want them to quickly introduce Dr Doom. If he comes he comes, if not the MCU will still go on enjoyable without him in it.
@@KaizerMan you are completely delusional.
Aaaaand now the MCU owns them, AND War of the Realms is drawing Reed like John Krasinski. I have hope.
Patrick: Doom is as smart as Reed Richards
Doom: Smart as Richards? Doom shall show you who is smarter you miserable cretin!
SFX: ZAP!
Patrick: Aarrgghh!!!!
How to integrate the FF in the Marvel MCU? Trap them in the negative zone, and they get rescued by the Avengers, hence their long time disappearance explained.
I really loved how you explained your points very calmly and this video was super informative! Thank you 😊
Great video! Awesome sentiment that you recommend the F4 comics you enjoyed! :)
I just wanted to suggest the idea of starting out with a Dr. Doom movie, in stead of an F4 movie.
I don't want any new F4 movie from Fox ever again. They had three tries and fucked it up every single time. Badly. Just give the rights back to Marvel or at the very least make a deal with them similar to Sony and Spider-Man. Say whatever you want about the "Marvel formula", but the mood and tone perfectly fits the F4. And the biggest advantage for the MCU wouldn't even be the inclusion of the main characters, but rather that of the villains that come with the property: Dr. Doom, Galactus and Silver Surfer could be awesomeness overload if finally done right on the big screen! Incidentally, the MCU could really use some quality bad guys that last for more than one movie after so many bland and forgettable ones (maybe with Loki as the sole exception).
MegaChaosGelee I love in hope that they get Thanos right. He is an uber-bad guy.
Awesome clip bro, thanks. Old school F4 fan here and I had all but lost hope for the concept thanks to all the half-ass attempts. Faith restored!
"I left out the one from 94'..."
But that's the best one.
Step one: read Jonathan Hickman's FF.
Step two: make a movie from it.
Step three: DON'T ENCOURAGE FOX TO MAKE ANOTHER FF MOVIE.
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I agree wholeheartedly about Doom. Best comic villain ever. I wish he'd get his own movie.
Get Brad Bird to direct there that's how you make a good FF movie
One little thing the movie could do is have Reed playing a chess game against a remote challenger who we never get to see until the end. and it's Doom (who is still not the major baddie).
illustrates how competitive they still are, and that they play at all, hints at their mutual respect for each other.
K3M15A wouldn’t that be a direct copy of Magneto and Xavier chess scenes
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FF needs to be a cross between Guardians and the Incredibles. Fun, bombastic, silly at times, but with grand cosmic shenanigans.Great video!
I really like your videos where you discuss comics!
A while back I made a list of 4 things that new Spider-Man films can do differently from the old on Tumblr and I was going to do a follow up with the F4 but I guess I can just link to this video. It makes all the points I was going to make anyway.
uneek35 nobody cares
Rude.
I mean, you're probably right, but still, rude.
uneek35 forgive me senpai
I've always been disappointed with the Spider-Man movies. Not nearly as much as the FF, obviously; but they constantly discard the most compelling aspects of the character. For ex, Parker's motivations for becoming a crime-fighter: in the first years it was all out of a guilt trip, his uncle having been killed due to his own negligence. He wasn't driven by morality. He resented the world for the abuse he got in his earlier years, and he carried that chip on his shoulder even when he was doing the right thing. And then, of course, there were cops. He was always in trouble with the law, thanks to J. Jonah Jameson's negative PR on SM. Shades of the anti-hero, which was a staple at Marvel. All that's milked down or eliminated from the movies.
That's actually part of what I say in my blog.
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I still like the first 2 Spider-Man movies though. They're greatly crafted films with good character-work and imagination. And they understand the core appeal of the character.
I’m truly hoping that Black Panther 2 introduces Reed Richards as a genius that benefited from the Stark endowment at MIT which earned him the money to buy Avengers Tower (along with proficient stock trading.
(Oh there’s more to my story) In hopes of tying Reed to as many storylines in Phase 3 & 4, I remember that he is from California and would need time to earn his degrees before he would even meet Ben Grimm, Sue Storm or Victor Von Doom. Marvel could easily make him a student at MIT the time that Tony granted all of their projects in Civil War. They could also make Reed a part of The Wakanda Science project at the end of Black Panther 1. Namor is obviously going to be a part of Black Panther 2 based in the scenes early in in End Game. Marvel will need to retcon Reed’s proximity to certain events that could tie into their involvement in Phase 4 & 5. He had an inheritance, but how is he going to buy Avengers Tower in The MCU? The richest people up to this point were Tony Stark & T’Challa. Reed will need to be adept to Economics and The Stock Market as well. Maybe even profiting off the snap at the same time entering space during The Snap which would have an even greater adverse effect than Cosmic Rays alone. Because the origin story movie for FF will probably not be the way they go, they will need to tie all of these things together throughout a few movies before their own.
This video is awesome! You demonstrate enough knowledge about FF in comics and in the movies. You know the essence of these characters well. I'd like you to make a video with your review on Heroes Reborn. Thanks !!
I really enjoy your enthusiasm dude!
Or just do the origin like they did in Incredible Hulk. Montage during the opening credits.
Hey Patrick, that’s a great idea 💡! This would be made into a great MCU Fantastic Four movie 🎥. BTW, I hope you can make do a fancast for the MCU Fantastic Four.
I have so much love for this video. It's weird how all the preexisting F.F. movies make it look especially hard to do, somehow (I know this was covered, but it frustrates me enough that I'm giving myself the catharsis of repeating it.)
Also, I love the Doom praise. I don't often hear him summarized well, apart from here. (I also happen to think that, even without Victor, the F.F. have the greatest rogue's gallery since Batman, but all underused (looking at you, the Red Ghost and the Mole Man), for some reason.
In summary: Thanks, Pat.
Did anything even happen in Fan4stic? I remember it having them recruited, they do something, then they go to the rocks, then time skip, and climax. It felt like nothing happened until the end, but then it was just over.
Dr. Doom deserves his own movie
Look at my comment, I pretty much pitched a Doc Doom trilogy
Dom Walter Noah Hawley, the showrunner/creator/writer/director of Legion is writing and directing a solo Doom movie
(Disclaimer: This is very long!)
Here is how to make a good Fantastic 4 movie
Make a trilogy and have Dr. Doom’s arc be over the 3 movies. The FF dont fight him until the third movie (kinda like Thanos but not really)
In the first movie, the FF are really famous and have trips to and from earth like everyday. There is the tourist scene like Patrick talked about. Then one of the tourists asks their tour guide (Kirby) where the FF are and can they see them. Kirby then responds and sees a ship fly away from the top level of the Baxter building, “Thats them, they just left, they will be back in an hour, they are headed to Jupiter.”
(Sorry for all of the spelling mistakes, get used to it...)
The world is very “Meet the Robbinsons” cheesy futuristicy and colorful. Dr. Doom does not know Reed Richards yet and is a young adult in his home country who is brilliant. He wants to be an explorer and an engineer just like Reed.
The movies take place over a couple of years and Doom and Reed get older and soon, the FF are slowly getting more grim and dark and kind of becoming less and less famous after a big fight with the villian from the first movie and there were many deaths of innocent people. And Doom is slowly rising to power and still wants to meet Reed. The whole arc in all three of these movies is that the FF are failing on all levels and hitting rock bottom and becoming darker versions of themselves. As for Doom, he is rising to power and fame and is still good until the last 20 min of the second movie where Doom meets the Reed and is just mocked and just treated horribly by the whole FF. The thing that will defeat the C list villian for the second movie explodes and injures Doom but not the FF. The FF just leave and dont help him. The FF are now starting to be painted as villians of the story. Doom goes back to Europe and has a mental break down and starts building what will later be the first doom bot and his costume. He then declares war on the FF.
3rd movie (4 years later)and the FF are being sued for property damage for another huge villian battle with like the Super Skrull or smoething that you hear about on the news and is metioned throughout the movie. You start to see America loose their minds over the fact that amyonr could be a skrull. The Himan Torch is a drunk, the Invisible Woman wants to separate for many different reasons, Ben is upset that his fiance was killed in one of their big battles and Reed is just ingnoring all of them and is always at this crashed Skrull ship doing research and fasinated by the skrull technology. They are a disfunctional family. Doom pretty much pitties America at this point and is pretty much ruling his home country after he preached some poetic stuff and how he is a god amongst men and should rule, then they threw over the goverment and now worship Doom. He wants to fix America. His first thing he does as king or whatever is invite some Skrulls into his country and basicly shows America how its done. Doom gets some followers in America and rises to fame there as well. The Skrulls are baisicly immigrants at this point and these movies would be really topical in todays world of you think about all of the paralells it has to our world. Doom invites Skrulls hiding in America to come to his country. Its Christmas Eve and the FF are having a really awkward time. Because Jonny is so drunk, he just roasts everyone in the room (no pun intended) and just tells it to them straight, thay they need to start working togeter and just need to grow up. Ben quits crying because of his fiance and they all just have a self reflecting moment and some really amazing dialouge about how they are a family and they live each other. They decide that with the new year that they will try to fix everything in their past and face all of their demons.
New year, Ben goes to his fiance’s family’s house and spends the day with them, Jonny throws away all of his drugs and alchohol and Susan and Reed spend the day together trying to rekindle their love. The FF go to homlees shelters for people who’s homes were destroyed by the FF and donate money and do all kinds of great stuff. Then, the FF all fly to Doom’s country to aplogize and make amends. Doom gives them a second chance and is actually kind of nice to them. The Skrulls find out that they are there and attack the FF and Doom tells them to stop and is really just trying to make peace. The FF wipes out every last Skrull (on earth) and Doom is pissed. Before the FF came, Doom had different plans to take each one of them out if it came to it and he ends up using them. He has a doom bot send out a sonic wave that separates the rocks that make up Ben and tares Ben’s arms off. Then they all fight. Come with your own ending, I’m tired of typing. I might come back and write and ending to how I think it should end. And it should be directed by David Fincher!
RED SHIRTS
Jesus, your story just got it all wrong. The FF would never kill anyone, much less let innocent people die like that. I’m sorry if I’m coming out as harsh but you really can’t make a story out of FF that is so mean spirited, perhaps have them be ‘bad press’ and political targets like the Avengers at Civil War, but nobody is gonna want to watch FF anymore if they end up being straight up assholes.
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Jesus, your story just got it all wrong. The FF would never kill anyone, much less let innocent people die like that. I’m sorry if I’m coming out as harsh but you really can’t make a story out of FF that is so mean spirited, perhaps have them be ‘bad press’ and political targets like the Avengers at Civil War, but nobody is gonna want to watch FF anymore if they end up being straight up assholes.
What Fox needs to do is just give the ole FF back to Marvel. Here's what I'd suggest if they did: Make a FF Netflix original set in the 1960s where basically these 4 heroes rise in the wake of the absence of Captain America in time for the Atomic Age. But here's the twist: They are a legend and interest to the modern superheroes because they mysteriously disappeared when they encountered a foe around 1968. Next thing you know, The Fantastic Four show up in modern times because surprise, time travel thanks to Kang the Conqueror (Who is actually a possible future Doom and the Fantastic Four first encountered him under the guise of Rama Tut). I can imagine old newspapers, photos, newsreels, JFK-assassination style government clips of the FF fighting monsters and villains to give context without too much forced exposition and the FF slowly adapt to the new world and fight new villains alongside the modern heroes while we the audience get flashbacks to there 1960s hero days in a Kirby ala mode style. (Also, we could see how SHIELD was at the time and maybe get a Jim Steranko-style SHIELD working alongside the Fantastic Four; Maybe Marvel could have some it's characters star in this 1960s time span like the original Hank Pym Antman, the original Human Torch, Sub-Mariner, the Inhumans, and maybe a grandfather of the Black Panther that was the Black Panther at the time.)
Great video. Best part is the recommendations for reading at the end! As good as some comic movies have been they are always pale in comparison to the actual comics they were based on. Been reading comics since I was knee high to a grass hopper but I've actually never read a FF comic. Think I will look into your recommendations. You, Sir, Rock!
I absolutely agree with you! Bigger with the WOW factor. Building up potential story arcs, Doc Doom does need a backstory while the FF establish themselves. How Reed should realize who Doom is with a thorough flashback of the two of them. No fast track, but more like references in their interactions with tidbits about their mutual past. Keep up with great work! You hit the nail on the head! Excelsior! David
Marvel got Fantastic Four and X-Men Back! I'm so happy, I really want to see a Fantastic Four Movie done right
And they rumored that brad bird might direct the fantastic 4
Marvel should relauch the Fantastic four comics I really miss them 😢😢 or they should make ben and jhonny team up and make their own team and go on adventures or they can do a heroes for hire type of thing with the new team but on the cosmic level I think that'll be great and in the end of the run of that series they meet Reed and Sue again and live happily ever after till some huge event happens and the world needs them
dean winchester Sadly Ike Perlmutter is so vindictive towards Fox, we probably won't see the series return until The Fantastic Four goes back to Marvel.
Agreed
dean winchester they can't because fox still owns the rights to fantastic four and refuse to give it up.
You should extend the ending. What I mean by that is that you cut the millisecond after saying bye. You should leave it on for around 10 seconds just for the info you've said to sink in or along those lines. If you look at the end of the most recent IHE videos, they end with a music segment that I love because it properly ends the video. I hope you take this into account. Love your vids. Keep up the good work
Man i know this is a littke old but you make good points and just subbed. I look forward to seeing more of your videos. 👍👍👌