Robin Hood, King Arthur, and Hollywood's Problem with Public Domain Properties

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  • Why does Hollywood keep making Robin Hood and King Arthur movies even though no one cares about them?
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Комментарии • 3 тыс.

  • @SockMonkey007
    @SockMonkey007 6 лет назад +1111

    I never understood why Robin Hood didn't get the Pirates of the Caribbean treatment, aka a swashbuckling, tongue in cheek, good time that stays true to the spirit of what it's interpreting while being a little dangerous.

    • @danielhadida3915
      @danielhadida3915 6 лет назад +34

      Because we would need Johnny Depp for that, too. Johnny would be a great Robin Hood !

    • @CustardCosmos
      @CustardCosmos 6 лет назад +60

      SockMonkey007 I've been wondering the same! A Pirates of the Caribbean or heck, even a Guardians of the Galaxy treatment (stylistcally at least) would suit Robin and his Merry Men perfectly.

    • @pyroshell5652
      @pyroshell5652 6 лет назад +125

      Dude, if I was going to make a Robin Hood movie, I would make it a heist movie. Like Ocean's Eleven, or Mission Impossible, but with swords. Make it like a Dungeon's and Dragon's Rogue adventure. How cool would that be?

    • @cayreet5992
      @cayreet5992 6 лет назад +73

      That would actually work perfectly. The Merry Men can stand in for the specialists you need for the heist. Robin has to bring them all together and then things get rolling. Robin Hood would lend itself extremely well to a heist story.

    • @pyroshell5652
      @pyroshell5652 6 лет назад +33

      Maybe throw in some action scenes like the stuff you would find in Pirates like the cannibal island escape, the Singapore sequence, the Port Royal escape, cracking deals with untrustworthy people, his merry men maybe consider rebellion afraid that he's gone too soft... you know, I realized that Robin Hood is basically a land-based pirate. He's the Jack Sparrow of England, the Lone Ranger of Nottingham. With that in mind, it really shouldn't be this hard to make a good Robin Hood movie.

  • @JosephDavies
    @JosephDavies 6 лет назад +714

    It also doesn't help that Hollywood has contributed to suffocating themselves by making sure that the Public Domain has stopped expanding as it was meant to. Instead of new things falling into the public domain for new artists to work with, they're forced to revisit _ad nauseam_ the same, progressively older, works. This means that the stories which are most relevant are locked into perpetual copyright, often locked away unused. It's not how the bargain of copyright is supposed to work, and this is one of the many ways in which its current shape is stifling things.

    • @PrincessNinja007
      @PrincessNinja007 6 лет назад +87

      Wanna know the best part?
      Disney would die to have the rights to Wizard of Oz, but because they lobby for copyright expansion, it will never be public domain for them to use

    • @TheRealPentigan
      @TheRealPentigan 6 лет назад +19

      They did lax up SLIGHTLY, they're letting Steamboat Willie hit the public domain barrier without the usual copyright extension push as far as anyone can tell.

    • @AdamYJ
      @AdamYJ 6 лет назад +20

      Actually, I think the Oz books are in the public domain now. The first few, at least.

    • @cmdraftbrn
      @cmdraftbrn 5 лет назад +2

      tin man was interesting. just 6 hours long and personally a tad anti climatic

    • @DSan-kl2yc
      @DSan-kl2yc 5 лет назад +13

      People should make new stuff. I think it's a problem that modern comics and u.s media has such a structured fantasy. It's stagnant

  • @jackcinephile7554
    @jackcinephile7554 3 года назад +112

    At this point, there are so many "radical new takes" on public domain characters, that a faithful adaptation of the originals WOULD be a radical new take!

    • @psychodrummer1567
      @psychodrummer1567 Год назад +3

      Dracula, the Bram Stoker novel has never been adapted. Every movie adapts the stage play based on the book.

    • @MelMelodyWerner
      @MelMelodyWerner Год назад +2

      no, because that's literally not new. that's a radical old take, if anything. can't believe I have to say it, but something old does not become new because it hasn't been done again recently.
      "what's old is new" regards perception, it does not mean that old stuff literally becomes new.

    • @guyspy21
      @guyspy21 2 месяца назад

      @@psychodrummer1567 Wrong - Nosferatu (1922), although that one was unnofficial

  • @ecojosh1
    @ecojosh1 6 лет назад +303

    I just realized it's only a matter of time before someone makes a gritty movie about Santa Claus. In the last five minutes, he'll toss aside his sword and become a toymaker.

    • @Catubrannos
      @Catubrannos 5 лет назад +16

      There were a couple of European ones released in 2010. There was a Dutch one called Sint (or Saint for the english market) and a Finish one called Rare Exports: A Christmas Tale. Both of them play on the "true" origin story of Santa Claus.

    • @MortarIvy
      @MortarIvy 5 лет назад +3

      ecojosh1 This is the best comment

    • @willlyon7129
      @willlyon7129 5 лет назад +2

      You haven’t heard of The life and adventures of Santa Claus ?

    • @animasuperfreakgirl
      @animasuperfreakgirl 5 лет назад +8

      way late but there is a comic exactly like that called Klaus... It was actually pretty good but there's a reason it wasn't a hit though it did get a sequel.

    • @joebeard4498
      @joebeard4498 4 года назад +1

      @@animasuperfreakgirl does Saint Nick go on a bloody path of vengeance against some greedy toy execs?

  • @pancakewizard1533
    @pancakewizard1533 6 лет назад +66

    The reason King Arthur/Robin Hood films are failing is because they AREN'T FAITHFUL TO THE MYTH. Go too realistic? Boring. Go too superhero? Too unbelievable. Holy Grail is a popular outlier because it's satire/comedy (same as Men in Tights). The Disney Robin Hood is popular because it's a SOLID TELLING OF THE STORY. Leave out the fact it's animals and it works regardless.
    A new Robin Hood can work as a historical epic stand-alone, as long it's faithful to the core legend (which the Disney one is). Arthur however, is something you can trilogise with borderline LOTR treatment spanning Arthur's life: Sword in the Stone, Knights of the Round Table, Quest for the Grail.

    • @cayreet5992
      @cayreet5992 6 лет назад +12

      Not to mention that at the end of Arthur's life, you can put in a big battle, have him die, and be taken to Avalon. It's a good one for a LOTR treatment - much better than Alice in Wonderland.

    • @leaiplussize
      @leaiplussize 6 лет назад +3

      I agree with you. Not being faithful can hurt a movie also you have to take out the PC crap as well.

    • @Vipre-
      @Vipre- 6 лет назад +1

      There's a book called The Crystal Cave which would make a great movie, though it's really a story about Merlin.

    • @erik95056
      @erik95056 6 лет назад +1

      Vipre60000
      Something like Mists of Avalon with better production would work.

    • @chadfalardeau9162
      @chadfalardeau9162 6 лет назад +1

      The reason the mcu works is because the writers, directors and actors give a crap. Maybe if they tried that instead of just hiring big names we may get some good ones. Mel Brooks gets a pass because its a parody and he's Mel freaking Brooks.

  • @justinparris2120
    @justinparris2120 6 лет назад +186

    I'm surprised you didn't mention The Three Musketeers, Zorro, The Man in the Iron Mask, and The Count of Monte Cristo.

    • @victorchapa6307
      @victorchapa6307 6 лет назад +9

      So much to talk about, so little time.

    • @scottjohnson388
      @scottjohnson388 6 лет назад +17

      Tarzan too.

    • @Schmidtelpunkt
      @Schmidtelpunkt 6 лет назад +9

      Is Zorro already public domain? It should take another ten years.

    • @mega-bustershepard5537
      @mega-bustershepard5537 6 лет назад +3

      Zorro is owned by Disney I believe

    • @TheMoviePlanet
      @TheMoviePlanet 6 лет назад +9

      Mega-Buster Shepard - Zorro is not owned by Disney. The Zorro rights are complicated with a company called "Zorro Productions" claiming to own the character and various courts either going by this or stating that it's public domain. There have been numerous trails about this as recently as three years ago.

  • @T2Darlantan
    @T2Darlantan 6 лет назад +267

    This may be true for Hollywood, but British TV got it right. The 2006 British Robin Hood TV series was traditional and great. The 2008 Merlin (not King Arthur, but he was in it) was also great.

    • @oxyrhynchite
      @oxyrhynchite 5 лет назад +13

      HypocriticalMass and going further back, Robin of Sherwood. Ace.

    • @calebfielding6352
      @calebfielding6352 5 лет назад +1

      the 2006 british robin hood where robin hood nevere killed anyone? no, no, no.

    • @mattyb7183
      @mattyb7183 5 лет назад +14

      The best British TV Robin Hood is easily Maid Marian.
      Written and directed by Tony Robinson (Blackadders Baldrick) it is a very silly and often very clever children's version of the show where the real hero is Maid Marian, and Robin Hood is an idiot.

    • @Catubrannos
      @Catubrannos 5 лет назад +3

      The one where Friar Tuck was a thin black guy with a full head of hair? Yeah, nah, don't think so mate.

    • @jonsnor4313
      @jonsnor4313 5 лет назад +2

      The 2006 series iy great, if just for guy of gisbourne as antihero and the snarky sheriff. Its fun too and i like little john there. The continuity with archer as the new robin would have been good too. And it would be cool to have the hero changing but still being sort of robin hood. Merlin told a good arthur story, it just lacked on the progress on the merlin bring magic back side that you even often root for the bad guys who want to kill arthur.

  • @EvangelistOfLolth
    @EvangelistOfLolth 6 лет назад +165

    Obviously we need to take these public domain characters, and go with what is proven to work with them:
    Turn them into cute anime girls and sell randomly rolled PNG images of them to nerds on their phones for an absolutely sickening level of profit.

    • @JR-ju3kj
      @JR-ju3kj 3 года назад +4

      Another thing that people can do is use obscure and unknown public domain characters that people have never even heard of.How many people know that there are literally thousands upon thousand of public domain characters just waiting to be mined for material for good stories?

    • @VelkanKiador
      @VelkanKiador 2 года назад +1

      I think Fate did that to King Arthur, now we only need Robin Hood to complete the circle xP

    • @Platitudinous9000
      @Platitudinous9000 Год назад +1

      @@VelkanKiador They added an anime boy Robin Hood a few years ago, apparently!

    • @jadenbryant9283
      @jadenbryant9283 Год назад

      So fate stay night

  • @Everik-ct6pg
    @Everik-ct6pg 6 лет назад +113

    *_Robin Hood: Men in Tights_* is the best movie ever name

    • @Alex26108
      @Alex26108 4 года назад +6

      In French it translates to Robin Hood: heros in tights

    • @hjerneblank6876
      @hjerneblank6876 4 года назад

      @@Alex26108 So like, the same thing

  • @kimarous
    @kimarous 6 лет назад +274

    Here's a question: where's the COLOUR? Everything is "gritty" and "realistic" these days. Hey Hollywood, here's a suggestion for a King Arthur cinematic universe - introduce the Round Table, give everyone BIG BRIGHT DISTINCTIVE TABARDS, use Camelot and the Round Table as a framing device / connecting hub, and then do individual movies about different knights on different adventures. Gawain and the Green Knight, Percival and the Fisher King, Lancelot and the Dolorious Guard! Nobody cares about these guys? MAKE them care by 1) giving them individual attention, and 2) NOT MAKING THEM BORING!
    Oh, and as for Robin Hood? So, uh, when was the last time anyone adapted Ivanhoe? In fact, while the story of Ivanhoe includes Robin Hood, when has a dedicated Robin Hood story ever included Ivanhoe? Go traditional with the "twist" of adding actual connected elements. Maybe have two movies: one with Ivanhoe where Robin Hood shows up, and a Robin Hood film where they briefly help up Ivanhoe, doing some kind of "story from the other side" deal.
    More interested in a Round Table cinematic universe focusing on individual knights, though.

    • @StarryEyed0590
      @StarryEyed0590 6 лет назад +5

      Ivanhoe is a tough sell in today's world though because of all the embedded anti-antisemitism. It's not an antisemitic story, but it does lean into some unpleasant stereotypes, and nobody really wants a story where more than half the heroic characters don't think of the Jewish characters as fully people with all the rights and feelings thereof, even if that was historically accurate. Even if you change the ending where Ivanhoe doesn't end up with Rebecca because she's Jewish, there's still so much you would have to majorly rework the story around.

    • @TheNoonish
      @TheNoonish 6 лет назад +14

      The problem with King Arthur is that if you don't go ultra-realistic, you risk running headlong into the Monty Python comparisons.
      That's actually the biggest tanking factor for both of these: A successful spoof will kill attempts to do it seriously. "Airplane" killed any attempt to make any kind of disaster movie for over a decade, and disasters involving literal airplanes for even longer. Monty Python is such a huge part of the cultural awareness that if you try to play up the colorful ideas, you risk undermining any attempt to create drama. If you try to do comedy, you're going to flop because you're not going to do it as well as the Monty Python version.
      In my opinion "King Arthur" in 2004 had the right idea by trying to do a pseudo-historical approach to it. It was sadly poor in execution, missing some of the iconic elements people would like, but it still did reasonably well outside of the US. I think if Hollywood tried to do a "King Arthur might have been a real figure and here's how it looked" storyline, they could make some progress. An actual Merlin who isn't a warlord but serves as something like a councilor, whose mystical powers are all rumored, along with actual knights on his council.
      The issue with Robin Hood is that the actual character has stopped being a character. He's an archetype. The "noble outlaw" character transcends that medium, and it's an overwhelming popular character type. It's all over sci-fis, Westerns, war movies, even weepy melodramas. He's so diffused throughout culture there's no way to write a Robin Hood story that has any energy or momentum.

    • @kimarous
      @kimarous 6 лет назад +11

      I think historical-style Arthur is fine. One of my favourite depictions was with ITV's "Arthur of the Britons". However, I think there's a serious lack of traditional "knights in shining armour, fighting dragons and such" in the modern era. I'm wanting less "Monty Python played with a straight face", but more...
      images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51%2BOZZ0kr7L._SX362_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg
      THAT, but in live action and not pre-2000s.

    • @Pelopen3bc
      @Pelopen3bc 6 лет назад +2

      *Kimarous* I love that book, haha! Still have a copy.
      I prefer the High Middle Ages/knights in shining armour approach myself, though historical Arthur maybe has potential. I think an adaptation of Thomas Berger's _Arthur Rex_ could be brilliant. If you haven't read that book, you may want to look into it.

    • @theZXDgames
      @theZXDgames 6 лет назад +1

      Hold up, isn't the Fisher King part of Percival's story?

  • @rachelgarner4137
    @rachelgarner4137 6 лет назад +124

    As an enormous fan of Robin Hood, a lot of the newer takes miss some of the most appealing things about the legend. They're a lot about making friends after bashing each other over the head, wearing disguises to trick people, and laughing a lot. I hate the temptation to bring in the Crusades (as one of the few things that a lot of people also know about the Middle Ages) other than as a plot point for where King Richard is because it brings a Serious tone that really doesn't match. Robin Hood is as much about laughter as it is about justice. It's the combination of the two that makes it fun as well as compelling.
    I think this is a good explanation of why general audiences aren't enthused, but on top of all that these just...aren't really Robin Hood stories. I writhe in my seat a little bit every time I'm subjected to the trailer for the one coming out in November.

    • @jonsnor4313
      @jonsnor4313 5 лет назад +2

      Series lend themselve to an adventerous material far better like merlin or the bbc production, through in case of the man with the iron mask shows you can do a fun movie about robin hood. Or even the kevin costner movie that is far from perfect but has cheesy fun and alan rickmen chewing the scenery.
      Bring the unapolegetic cheesy back, that was what made the earlier mrvel movie good. They dared to be cringy and cheesy. The winter soldier is still the best movie with guardians.

    • @hetalianotaku7103
      @hetalianotaku7103 5 лет назад +2

      Yeah, this sorry treatment is why I'm writing fictional series both for the lore of King Arthur and Robin Hood. The latter, what I'm writing I mean, isn't going to be focused so much on Arthur as it is his knights. And with Robin Hood, I know I'll probably get flamed for this, but I'm gender-swapping most of the main characters.

    • @JR-ju3kj
      @JR-ju3kj 3 года назад

      Excellent post! Very well-
      written,insightful and I enjoyed reading it! Good stuff! Maybe you should write your own Robin Hood story!
      I think one different way to use Robin Hood is as a supporting character where the story is not about him-like what the Shrek movies did(and that's what I'm going to do with a comic book I'm writing ,too)or another way to approach the character is doing a more modern take on the legend-after all,Green Arrow from DC Comics is basically a modern day version of Robin Hood re-imagined as being a Super Hero. You could have Robin Hood(or even a descendant or someone for whom the name becomes a namesake) in the 20th or 21st century or some era in the distant future stealing from rich and powerful captains of industry and corporations and politicians and giving it to the poor.Rich people have always been around and are always going to be so I think that's one different way to approach Robin Hood that could conceivably work and not make people writhe and cringe.
      I knew the 2018 Robin Hood movie was going to be a big box office flop but I saw it anyway and had fun watching it-as bad as it was.Honestly,I just saw it as dumb,loud escapist,cheesy and completely ridiculoous fun.
      I could see that Jamie Foxx wasn't really invested in the movie and that he was just ''phoning it in''and the movie is just so all over the place it's hilarious.I don't think it could figure what it wanted to be and the imagery of The Crusades that was evocative of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and the Sheriff Of Nottingham wearing a style of clothes made out of material that wouldn't have even existed in the time period was beyond bizarre.
      Obviously both Ben Menelsohn and F.Murray Abraham were just there to pick up a paycheck.
      The 2018 Robin Hood movie missed the point of Robin Hood and the filmmakers didn't adhere to Dr.Ian Malcolm's sage and timeless advice from Jurassic Park.Sure,they CAN use Robin Hood but it doesn't mean that they SHOULD.If they can't introduce anything different,new,exciting and interesting to the legend,why even bother using Robin Hood?
      If they're just doing it to make money,which was obviously the primary motivation there with the movie and with the 2017 King Arthur movie,the productions will still fail because audiences aren't stupid and they'll see right through it. It's the same thing if you're going to use any famous public domain character,what people should do first before they invest all the time,effort and money into making something,is ask themselves WHY.
      WHY do they want to use Robin Hood or King Arthur?What can they do with the character that's different from everything else that people have seen before?
      I can always tell when someone who does a movie,TV show,book,comic,etc using a public domain character and they haven't asked themselves that question.

    • @JR-ju3kj
      @JR-ju3kj 3 года назад

      @@hetalianotaku7103 Wow! That sounds great and interesting! Are these fictional series going to be published books?
      They sound like material I wold love to read!
      With Robin Hood,yeah,gender-swapped characters will almost certainly get you flamed! Ha! Ha!
      But hey,Robin Of Locksley has been done to death at this point,so you might as well go for it.Why not gender-swap him at this point,right?
      After the 2018 Robin Hood movie being a sprawling mess of a film and a dumpster fire,I'd be game for reading a story on a gender-swapped Robin Hood! Ha! Ha!

    • @hetalianotaku7103
      @hetalianotaku7103 3 года назад +1

      @@JR-ju3kj Well, anime swapped King Arthur's gender and no one had a problem with it. Probably 'cause it's anime, but whatever.
      It's still in the embryonic stage, but I do kinda have names figured out, same initials for one thing.
      Instead of it being Robin Hood for example, Rosamund is overseeing her father's lands while he's fighting in the Crusades. She does however disguise herself as a man when she's on missions. Maid Marian is now Martin, and he's working with the Sheriff of Nottingham to catch "Robin." But once he learns how bad the situation is, he has a change of heart.

  • @CommentPoster10
    @CommentPoster10 6 лет назад +65

    You forgot about the best King Arthur movie of all - Army of Darkness

  • @PavarottiAardvark
    @PavarottiAardvark 6 лет назад +293

    You forgot the other major Sherlock Holmes adaptation...
    House M.D

    • @John190assman
      @John190assman 6 лет назад +4

      Yeah no. Sorry mate. But no.

    • @danielheflick1529
      @danielheflick1529 6 лет назад +51

      John190 the homicidal maniac, except, you know, for almost entirely. It doesn't help Sherlock Holmes with name recognition, but yes, House was very much intended as the medical equivalent to the famous crime solver. You can find dozens of extensive lists detailing all of the similarities.

    • @mcanix
      @mcanix 6 лет назад +21

      Daniel Heflick not to mention that Holmes was based on Joseph Bell, at the Edinburgh Royal Infirmary

    • @PavarottiAardvark
      @PavarottiAardvark 6 лет назад +19

      Oh come on, the gunman in season 2 is even credited as Moriarty!

    • @CEWThree
      @CEWThree 6 лет назад +22

      What about Mr. Holmes? Where my Sir Ian McKellan fans at?

  • @sirjedisentinel
    @sirjedisentinel 6 лет назад +230

    On top of what you discussed about the characters not really having a fan base, I think you hit the nail on another point. These films-- the bad ones anyway-- are made in the styles of the time. The Guy Ritchie King Arthur movie was the gritty comic book style of the 2010s. By doing this, the movies are already dated. There's no timelessness to it. John Boorman didn't make Excalibur to be a film of the 80s, he made the film he wanted to make. There was passion there. And he wasn't pandering to the stylistic demands of films of that time. Because there's none of that style of the times there; there's a timelessness to it.

    • @ariochiv
      @ariochiv 6 лет назад +6

      While I don't disagree with your point, I don't think timelessness (or lack thereof) has anything to do with box office failure at the time of release. The problem with the Ritchie King Arthur wasn't that it didn't become a classic; it's that it bombed.

    • @SuperFunkmachine
      @SuperFunkmachine 5 лет назад

      Boorman went in for the mysticism and he went for the classic image, the knights have shining armour under the king.

  • @Raveityourway
    @Raveityourway 6 лет назад +138

    I mean, the BBC absolutely nailed both Robin Hood and King Arthur (Merlin) back in the noughties which is why no-one liked any of the new movie adaptations, at least here in the UK.

    • @medeaworbs6970
      @medeaworbs6970 4 года назад +5

      Both shows were also pretty well-loved in Germany! Sure, neither are very historically accurate, but they didn't try to be, and thus created lovely new takes on well-known characters. I guess, making the characters attractive and younger than in some other versions helped, but what I keep remembering is that not all characters were white (I loved Djaq and Gwen), and that they were different and had more depth than I ever saw before. They definitely made it harder for movies about the same characters to go well though since both _Merlin_ and _Robin Hood_ influenced an entire generation. I mean, look at the _Merlin_ fandom, which is still super active. I feel like adapting legends or myths into series works better than movies, which also helped with the success of both shows.

    • @tcshack701
      @tcshack701 2 года назад

      I’m from the U.S. and I loved those shows though I stopped watching Merlin after the third season.

  • @EliseHanson216
    @EliseHanson216 5 лет назад +68

    **looks up from the King Arthur book series she's been writing for 17 years** **sighs deeply** **drinks some scotch and cries to her cat**

    • @SiraSpirit
      @SiraSpirit 5 лет назад +16

      Think of it this way. At least you're not that poor guy who wrote a musical about the life of Alexander Hamilton in 2012 whose name was *not* Lin-Manuel Miranda.

    • @Shagamaw-100
      @Shagamaw-100 3 года назад +2

      The fun fact about the Arthurian Legends is that they are basically a copy and paste version of the stories of Charlemagne and the chivalric romances no joke.

  • @SharpDesign
    @SharpDesign 6 лет назад +510

    And yet, never a random crossover between the two.

    • @Pelopen3bc
      @Pelopen3bc 6 лет назад +86

      In my opinion a crossover with King Arthur and Robin Hood would be something of a contradiction. King Arthur is supposed to be (and this is something Guy Ritchie and Charlie Hunnam fundamentally didn't understand) a Medieval Solomon. He is a greater king than "Alexander or Caesar" and rules "with perfect justice". He has enemies because they are jealous, not because he's a bad ruler.
      Robin Hood exists because of a corrupt monarchy, not the utopia Arthur's Britain strives to create. If he is a good guy, why would he resist Arthur's benevolent rule? You'd have to make it so King Arthur isn't a great king (and therefore is the character by name only) or Robin Hood is just an asshole (again, would be the character by name only).
      They can't really coexist without sacrificing the core of the character.

    • @1SpicyMeataball
      @1SpicyMeataball 6 лет назад +26

      Actually in a book my sister read about King Arthur, she told me that halfway through BOOM! Robin Hood cameo. She said the book stopped making sense after that. I wish I could remember the book name, but it has been long since gotten rid of.

    • @autumnhobbit
      @autumnhobbit 6 лет назад +32

      J Do Robin Hood randomly shows up in Ivanhoe.

    • @Pelopen3bc
      @Pelopen3bc 6 лет назад +33

      I wouldn't say he "randomly" shows up in _Ivanhoe_ ; he's a major character and at times has more agency than the oft-unconscious protagonist. In fact, that novel cemented a lot of tropes and ideas we have of Robin Hood today. It popularized the surname "Locksley" and associated Robin Hood with Richard the Lionheart and Prince John.
      Previously, it was different kings Robin Hood opposed. Early on it was Edward II. The probable historical inspiration for Robin Hood suggests he was an outlaw from Henry of Winchester and his son, Edward Longshanks, as a result of the 2nd Baron's War.

    • @SharpDesign
      @SharpDesign 6 лет назад +1

      Sounds interesting

  • @JonathanG94
    @JonathanG94 6 лет назад +113

    There are some good Arthur adaptations in recent years. The Merlin miniseries starring Sam Neill and BBC's Merlin tv series. They do departure from somewhat from the material most notably Merlin being the main character and POV as implied by the title which is exactly same. BBC's Merlin is more radical departure where instead of being the old mentor to King Arthur he's a young boy discovering his powers and befriends Arthur. But both have the core lore and characters right. Even Stargate: SG-1's reinvention of the Arthurian legend with Merlin being one of the Ancients sticks closer to the mythology than the recent movies.

    • @zeddy2284
      @zeddy2284 6 лет назад +7

      ahhh yes Merlin, they finally put that show back on Netflix AND with the last season. I've been saving it for a month now TT

    • @SaunterVaguelyDown
      @SaunterVaguelyDown 6 лет назад

      TheRocketMan Love BBC Merlin AND Stargate. Good reference. Though Thor will always be my favorite alien from legend on there.

    • @willlyon7129
      @willlyon7129 6 лет назад +1

      TheRocketMan Excalibur is probably the best King Arthur movie ever made.

    • @andrewlyon4495
      @andrewlyon4495 5 лет назад

      Will Lyon Are you including Monty Python?

    • @leew1598
      @leew1598 5 лет назад +1

      Merlin did have the advantage of a loyal BBC audience who enjoy the Strictly Come Dance + Dr Who/Merlin schedule of a Saturday evening. It's dark and wet usually in the UK during those autumn evenings so families like to stay in and watch TV together. Plus when Merlin was first broadcast there was a lot less choice, back in 2008 nobody had really heard of Netflix or anything like that. I'm not saying it wasn't well made but you can rely on a good audience figure back then, people have to make more an effort to go to the cinema now and spend £15 to watch a film.

  • @mountnstream
    @mountnstream 5 лет назад +11

    3 months later, and Patrick & co. correctly predicted The Nutcracker and the Four Realms being a flop.

  • @debunkdagain
    @debunkdagain 6 лет назад +24

    What happened to Merlin (1998)? I don't know about financial success or if TV Mini Series count, but I recall it being well done and true to the myths with just enough of an update to be interesting.

  • @avex13
    @avex13 6 лет назад +54

    I really love Robin Hood, but I dislike most of the modern adaptations. One of the things all of them lack is sincerity. Robin should be a good guy that tries to help people, and Robin's enemy is an abusive authority. He is not an anti-hero, not a reluctant thief that finds himself forced to do it, not a warrior fighting the French. Those are other characters. It shouldn't be a cynical movie about how everything is crap, or a jingoistic war movie or anything like that. It should be sincerely hopeful and talk about all the good that people can do if they try.

    • @johnnyskinwalker4095
      @johnnyskinwalker4095 6 лет назад +4

      The best modern interpretation of Robin Hood and his Merry Men is from Game of the Thrones Beric and the Brotherhood. They fight injustice cause they want to. And Beric has that Erol Flynn vibe about him with his smirk yet they are edgy and dangerous in their own way. They deal with their own Morgan aka the Red Witch but they sell someone to her for money(cause they have to make a living).

    • @matthiuskoenig3378
      @matthiuskoenig3378 6 лет назад +2

      the book version of beric's brotherhood with out banners is even more robinhoodish, tey are kings men fighting for the benefit of the smallfolk.

    • @TheRachaelLefler
      @TheRachaelLefler 6 лет назад +3

      That's probably why the Disney version is the most liked. Since it was intended for children, it has the whimsical, light-hearted side of the character that some movies miss trying to make it more edgy and dark. And they make Robin an unambiguous good guy, because it's a cartoon for kids and subtlety confuses kids, and moral ambiguity bothers parents. But every other Robin Hood other than the 'Men in Tights' one looked too boring for me. The point of the stories originally was to take a satirical shot at the king. To hold up the virtues of the common people and say, this is what makes England great, not our leaders, but our ordinary people. Folk tale in a truest sense of the term. Wonder if they'll ever make a movie that gets it as much as the Disney version did again?

    • @johnnyskinwalker4095
      @johnnyskinwalker4095 6 лет назад

      I liked the Disney version but I love the idea behind it more than the movie itself. I appreciate it and I like that it exist but it's not a great movie, especially as far Disney animation goes.

    • @bosyber
      @bosyber 6 лет назад

      I don't think one has to go to Joel Schumacher's Batman movie levels of whimsical but maybe some middle ground of fun, but earnest would be good. I hope Aquaman does something like that (another hero I have no bond with, but, if it's an enjoyable movie, why not), and Wonder Woman did that for me too (another character I did not really have much connection too).

  • @travisjfranks
    @travisjfranks 6 лет назад +68

    I will say I think BBC's Merlin was a surprisingly fresh and fun take on Arthurian legend, but Robin Hood has had a serious lack of a good movie since Men in Tights. Love the channel!

    • @TheMoviePlanet
      @TheMoviePlanet 6 лет назад +5

      Well Ridley Scott's Robin Hood is pretty good but it isn't a Robin Hood movie, it's a Kingdom of Heaven sequel. The initial story for that film was pretty intriguing however, it's a shame it was never made.

    • @cayreet5992
      @cayreet5992 6 лет назад

      Yes, Nottingham could have been a great movie.

    • @TheMoviePlanet
      @TheMoviePlanet 6 лет назад +4

      It's crazy the original writers are still credited for story, considering the final film has nothing to do with their concept anymore, lol.

    • @emilymarriott5927
      @emilymarriott5927 6 лет назад +4

      I think BBC's Robin Hood (minus the final season) was a pretty fun take on Robin Hood. But like Merlin, these aren't movie adaptations. ( Also, both tried to be fun rather than grimdark, which is great. )

    • @Marialla.
      @Marialla. 6 лет назад +1

      I think one of the reasons Men in Tights did so well was that it acknowledged, in a fun way, the obvious homosexual undertones in the story while keeping a lighthearted double entendre about it. That's exactly what made the original material fun five hundred years ago.

  • @ArninoStorm
    @ArninoStorm 6 лет назад +22

    It's funny that King Arthur is now more popular as an anime girl than a Hollywood movie.

    • @jonsnor4313
      @jonsnor4313 5 лет назад

      I like waifu mordred more. : )
      But fate does approach historical figures with the right mix of adaption and historical background.

    • @EveryDayALittleDeath
      @EveryDayALittleDeath 5 лет назад

      This just adds to my theory that Robin Hood as a girl would work out great.

    • @dasuberkaiser6
      @dasuberkaiser6 3 года назад

      @@EveryDayALittleDeath You mean like the Zenescope comics?

  • @lopez.jacinto.6726
    @lopez.jacinto.6726 5 лет назад +17

    The best King Arthur adptation in the last 20 years?
    Fate Stay/Night.

  • @MysteryMii
    @MysteryMii 6 лет назад +80

    Man, the production value in this video really shows.

  • @WorldWideWong
    @WorldWideWong 6 лет назад +441

    I hope Elsie the intern gets a fictional subplot in the next few videos that either has a climactic ending of her getting work elsewhere or getting work full-time with Patrick

    • @j.e.thomas9759
      @j.e.thomas9759 6 лет назад +4

      World Wide Wong she already has a very subtle subplot...it’s riveting

    • @anthonyvillanueva5226
      @anthonyvillanueva5226 6 лет назад +6

      Avalon High was kinda cool though. Reincarnations of the Arthurian characters in a present day highschool, they made it work.

    • @katherinealvarez9216
      @katherinealvarez9216 6 лет назад +2

      I'm glad you like it. I ... didn't. I really didn't like it. Did like Merlin though, I thought it was all mess in the end, but I liked it.

    • @CorbCorbin
      @CorbCorbin 6 лет назад

      Katherine Alvarez
      Sam Neil "Merlin"?

    • @CorbCorbin
      @CorbCorbin 6 лет назад +2

      Anthony Villanueva
      If they knew they were reincarnated, it would destroy Arthur's entire idea of self. They are Christian fundamentalists, who would think they were in hell, or being enchanted by a witch, or demon.
      Arthur and Perceval would most likely commit suicide, while Lancelot and Gwen would enjoy one another until the guilt makes Lance commit suicide, which in turn depresses Gwen to the point of finding a Sugar Daddy, and riding it out until another Lance comes along. 😝

  • @kaitlynand7070
    @kaitlynand7070 6 лет назад +12

    As a teen the only thing I really knew of King Arthur was the Disney Channel Movie "Avalon High"

    • @JR-ju3kj
      @JR-ju3kj 3 года назад

      Well,everyone has to start somewhere.
      My favorite version of King Arthur is from the Disney animated series,''Gargoyles''.Part of the problem with using King Arthur,as has been mentioned before is that public domain characters like King Arthur and Robin Hood are generally speaking,overused and overexposed public domain characters and it's hard to do a new,fresh and exciting take on them when there have been so many different versions of them and they've been done to death.
      I did however,like the idea someone suggested of Robin Hood in a modern day setting and with an Occupy Wall Street-kind of movement(even though there have been stories that tried to take a stab at Robin Hood in a modern day setting and even DC's Green Arrow could be considered a modern day Robin Hood).

  • @NicoleCraswellBooks
    @NicoleCraswellBooks 2 года назад +5

    I feel like there is ONE more recent King Arthur adaptation that people love (at least people who know about it), that being BBC's Merlin. But it wasn't particularly well advertised, as least not outside of the UK, and mostly had a smaller but very passionate fanbase in online communities. That being said, it's a much longer format (I think it had 6 seasons?) and absolutely leaned into the humor and focused on the character dynamics. I think it works mostly because they really balanced honoring the traditions of the original stories and the aesthetics we're familiar while not feeling too oppressively tied to it.

  • @shadowseer07
    @shadowseer07 6 лет назад +101

    Speak for ya'll selves. I love King Arthur and Robin Hood, just not the shitty ways Hollywood is remaking them. Maybe if they stopped trying to make them realistic, gritty, and action-ridden, and keep them magical and fun, audiences may start enjoying them again.

    • @midshipman8654
      @midshipman8654 6 лет назад +22

      shadowseer07 I must agree I’m sick of that trend, and it always annoys me when film people think gritty and bleak automatically =realistic. Most historical shows in the last few years weither it be about Vikings, or the three musketeers, or medieval times clad the cast unnecessarily in gray and brown biker gear. Back in those times you wanted to look as opulent as possible. They’re historical pieces not post apocalyptic thrillers.

    • @qwertyuiopaaaaaaa7
      @qwertyuiopaaaaaaa7 6 лет назад +14

      I want to see a realistic Robin Hood movie. Actual historical realism. Not Hollywood “realism”.

    • @matthiuskoenig3378
      @matthiuskoenig3378 6 лет назад +4

      same, every time i see them making i bold my breath it will be a good one this time, but then get dispointed.

    • @TheNoonish
      @TheNoonish 6 лет назад +1

      I just think any attempt to do something silly and/or fun is going to struggle against the Monty Python comparison. If you try to do something fun, you're going to undermine any attempts to put drama into your story because there's a Brave Robin or African swallow joke waiting to be made.

    • @TheNoonish
      @TheNoonish 6 лет назад +4

      +Grimm The major issue is that there's no historical basis for Robin Hood. He was essentially a local legend during the era, not a real person, and then become a character of folklore

  • @AdamFaulknerVideos
    @AdamFaulknerVideos 6 лет назад +73

    As far as Robin Hood, if you want a good (though historically questionable) adaptation, check out the BBC series. It was basically a replacement for Doctor Who on Saturdays, but it was the shit!

    • @kaicreech7336
      @kaicreech7336 6 лет назад

      Is that the one on Amazon Prime?

    • @AdamFaulknerVideos
      @AdamFaulknerVideos 6 лет назад +2

      Kai Creech It's not on Prime in the UK, but it could be. Robin Hood is played by Jonas Armstrong.

    • @Shadowmask8
      @Shadowmask8 6 лет назад +2

      Yes, the first season is really great, and then it sucks forevermore.

    • @AdamFaulknerVideos
      @AdamFaulknerVideos 6 лет назад +2

      Shadowmask8 Meh. It started getting a little weird after S1, but I still enjoy it.

    • @ilitardo160
      @ilitardo160 6 лет назад +1

      It is actually really good

  • @nicboo9191
    @nicboo9191 5 лет назад +12

    "weird confusing feelings, about foxes."
    AHAHAHAHHA!

    • @anubusx
      @anubusx 4 года назад

      Now it's rabbits.

  • @neHCuoHEpa8888
    @neHCuoHEpa8888 5 лет назад +33

    The best line - "Transformers: Last Knight is the closest to proper King Arthur movie"
    Long live Robin Hood Men in Tights

    • @believer4002
      @believer4002 3 года назад +2

      Honestly that opening prologue sequence in the dark ages with King Arthur, Stanley Tucci as drunk Merlin, and Transformer knights from the round table who combines to a three headed fire breathing dragon was awesome! Bay is very good at visual medium and storytelling for small parts of his movies, it is as a whole it doesn´t work for many. Fun fact: Bay was set to direct the King Arthur movie from 2004, but skipped out when he found the story of King Arthur being too immature for him at the time.

    • @tristanhartup4936
      @tristanhartup4936 2 года назад

      @@believer4002 Too immature? Ironic

  • @willcarmack
    @willcarmack 6 лет назад +547

    I LOVED this video Only criticism tho.. You definitely should of been dressed like a rooster and holding a fiddle in the scene if of you walking in the woods with the animated Robin hood intro music.

    • @willcarmack
      @willcarmack 6 лет назад +6

      damn I had a typo. I have no stance giving you criticism. I'm sorry.

    • @Stark-Raving
      @Stark-Raving 6 лет назад +9

      It was a lute not a fiddle

    • @MacAisling
      @MacAisling 6 лет назад +6

      Brave, bold Sir Robin set fourth from Camelot, he was not afraid to die, brave bold sir Robin!

    • @patrickhwillems
      @patrickhwillems  6 лет назад +15

      Yeah I really messed up there. Big missed opportunity.

    • @CorbCorbin
      @CorbCorbin 6 лет назад

      Oh shit! That's a good idea.

  • @AlexBaldwinFTW
    @AlexBaldwinFTW 6 лет назад +14

    I'm glad you touched on the topic of 'how popular are they really', I'm English (London) AND an English graduate, I couldn't tell you the last time I discussed Robin Hood or King Arthur with anyone, but we all 'know' about them.

    • @taraleereed5527
      @taraleereed5527 6 лет назад +1

      I'd gladly discuss either of them with you- I really love both Arthur & Robin hood & am always quite excited when I find a new version of the story( admittedly usually in book form) to sink my teeth into. I recommend the books by K M Shea to anyone looking for a fun new version of these legends.

  • @strassboom2612
    @strassboom2612 6 лет назад +10

    I’d like to see an adaptation of these stories where the protagonist is given their title when not ready and grows into it from within their support systems and drastic responsibilities to their community. Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power.

    • @TheAkwarium
      @TheAkwarium 5 лет назад +2

      that'd have to be done over several movies, at least a trillogy. But that would work well in making the audience interested in the character

  • @elliebee6537
    @elliebee6537 6 лет назад +8

    When I was watching the new Robin Hood trailer in the theaters, I honestly thought it was a Theif movie until the title.

  • @RG-Zeldaplayer
    @RG-Zeldaplayer 6 лет назад +92

    Interesting fact about King Arthur... The Clive Owen movie wasn't that far off in terms of its setting and characterisation.
    One theory I've heard is that King Arthur was a romanised Celt and that during the period the Romans were departing from England they took a lot of the knowledge and expertise on how to do certain things, such as forging weaponry with them... The notion of drawing the sword from the stone is not about pulling an actual sword out of a rock or anvil, but being able to forge weapons from Ore... a skill which would have made a person reasonably high status since it gave communities the ability to defend themselves. It's a poetic way of putting it... the sword already exists sleeping within the ore waiting to be drawn out... Sculptors have made the same comparison... that the statue exists within the block of stone already before it is chiselled out... waiting to be freed... It also ties into the magical aspects since smithing was considered semi-magical using the four cardinal elements of earth(ore), fire(forge), air(bellows), and water (quenching).

    • @savioblanc
      @savioblanc 6 лет назад +8

      Never thought of the sword in the stone like that... Very cool

    • @TheNoonish
      @TheNoonish 6 лет назад +10

      Eh...not really. It misses the mark. There's perhaps a good metaphor in there, like your sword in the stone analogy, but the Romans barely had a presence in Britain in the 5th century, and the historical basis for King Arthur would place him there in the early 6th century. Romans would absolutely not have been muddling around Hadrian's Wall in the 400s as they were barely even in the southernmost parts of the island at that point.
      Here's what needed: An Arthur who is an actual Briton, not a Roman Legionnaire, who is rallying the island to repel the Saxon invasion. You need some wise old councilor who can be like Merlin (but not some Celtic Warlord) who might have some mystical air around him, even if the supernatural elements are largely implied. And you need Knights who have personalities and something resembling code of chivalry (even if they blatantly contradict it), not generic "slice'em up" like the knights in the Clive Owen film.

    • @reborntoday1088
      @reborntoday1088 6 лет назад +4

      Look out this italian production film "The Last Legion". The final twist is: (SPOILER) It was about King Arthur all the time!

    • @arbjbornk
      @arbjbornk 6 лет назад +3

      I like the Clive Owen King Arthur movie. Particularly, the theatrical release. It did a very good job showing the camaraderie between Arthur and his knights. Sadly, a lot of that was taken out of the "Director's Cut".

    • @stevej820
      @stevej820 6 лет назад +1

      Rubbish ...the celts were already using iron weapons before the Romans ever got to Britain or do you believe the Romanized version of history that had celts as savages throwing rocks? Why would they forget how to make Iron just cos some bloody Italians arrived on their shores then buggered off again?

  • @Thagomizer
    @Thagomizer 6 лет назад +33

    There's an interesting point made here about honest, powerful storytelling. A traditional tale told without irony is, of all things, an unorthodox approach today. It makes me recall the words of good old Gilbert:
    “I did try to found a little heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy.”
    ― G.K. Chesterton

    • @davidwuhrer6704
      @davidwuhrer6704 6 лет назад

      Almost all of the most well-known tales from the middle ages - traditional tales - were ironic and satirical.
      Then some people read them without the seemingly obvious irony and made operas and movies out of them.

    • @Thagomizer
      @Thagomizer 6 лет назад +1

      We can find satire in Chaucer, Dante, and the Decameron, but what about the Eddas? Le Morte de'Arthur? Beowulf? Sir Gawain and the Green Knight? Chanson de geste? There is humor here, but that isn't the same thing.

    • @davidwuhrer6704
      @davidwuhrer6704 6 лет назад

      Beowulf is nothing if not satire.
      I'd say the same about the Nibelungen saga.

    • @Thagomizer
      @Thagomizer 6 лет назад +1

      I understand there's some cultural context that might be lost to us, but I'm not sure I'm buying any of this. What would Beowulf and the Nibelungen saga be satirizing? The oral traditions of these legends before they were written down? The values of their respective cultures?

    • @davidwuhrer6704
      @davidwuhrer6704 6 лет назад

      Beowulf states this in the first sentence. It makes fun of heroic epics. Understandably those did not get the same fame and attention. But some of them were written down.

  • @sonyakinsey4376
    @sonyakinsey4376 6 лет назад +4

    My personal favorite Robin Hood is the Errol Flynn version. It's fun, bright and has great music and fight choreography, made before the grey grittiness 'darkness' of modern cinema. As for King Authur, I like it best in books, where it's full medieval fantasy. That's why I love it. I don't want to see it historically accurate and gritty, or modernized with horrible techno music and CGI elephants over the fantasy.

  • @ThexDynastxQueen
    @ThexDynastxQueen 6 лет назад +5

    Make a modern heist movie but reveal its Robin Hood and his Merry Men at the very end so audience expectations are super low then BAM YOU'VE JUST BEEN ROBIN HOODEDEDEDED!
    I EXPECT MY CHECK IN THE MAIL BY MONDAY, HOLLYWOOD!

  • @TiraAnarhin
    @TiraAnarhin 6 лет назад +16

    I do not understand why people are so fixated on movie adaptations - if you want to see great adaptations of Robin Hood or King Arthur, check out BBC's Robin Hood and BBC's Merlin. They are both great and do a great job of staying true to the character and the myth.
    (Except maybe the third season of Robin Hood - that was not soooo good ;P )

    • @RickJaeger
      @RickJaeger 6 лет назад

      yeah the bbc Robin hood went a bit off the rails towards the end

    • @Aeaed
      @Aeaed 6 лет назад

      Came here to say this. I really enjoyed BBC's Robin Hood (the first 2 seasons, yes). I'd recommend it to anyone who's looking for a recent adaptation that stays somewhat close to the original!

    • @davidwuhrer6704
      @davidwuhrer6704 6 лет назад

      But that's BBC, not Hollywood.

  • @KamariaHolden
    @KamariaHolden 6 лет назад +30

    Awareness vs Fandom, wow this is a great perspective that I have been struggling to explain, great video as always!

    • @AdamYJ
      @AdamYJ 6 лет назад +1

      It reminds me of when I used to follow certain fandom pages on Facebook. A meme that would often come up would be "Who's the best archer?" And the choices would always be Katniss, Legolas, Hawkeye, Arrow and Merida. And I'd always ask "Where's Robin Hood?" Now, surely they would have known who Robin Hood is, but the meme makers were aware that he wouldn't necessarily get anybody excited like a fandom friendly character would.

  • @maxwelldavidson4157
    @maxwelldavidson4157 3 года назад +7

    The upcoming Green Knight movie looks actually sick, with mythological stuff and it actually following the story (by the looks of it). I'd love to see some sort of movie series following the knights of the round table. Also the deranged Ruber the Red Knight is my favorite Arthurian villain I have seen hence

    • @sorenpx
      @sorenpx 7 месяцев назад

      The mean the one where Gawain is an Indian dude? Very accurate.

  • @KristofskiKabuki
    @KristofskiKabuki 6 лет назад +3

    Everyone knows that Maid Marian and her Merry Men is the definitive version of the Robin Hood legend

  • @evanmcclellan7267
    @evanmcclellan7267 6 лет назад +19

    I've been wanting a straight retelling of Robin Hood and King Arthur for years! Thank you, Patrick! You've given voice to my frustrations that I didn't think anyone else had.
    BTW my favorite Robin Hood adaptation is the British TV show Robin of Sherwood from the 80s. It's a bit dated now, but it is mysterious and haunting while still being lots of fun. Recommended.

    • @danielh9184
      @danielh9184 6 лет назад +1

      with Michael Praed, not Jason Connery

  • @ariochiv
    @ariochiv 6 лет назад +395

    You seem to be overlooking the fact that those recent movies were crap. It's not just that they didn't find an audience, or that they weren't marketed properly, or that people don't want PDP movies... it's that they were not good movies. They were poorly reviewed as well as being financial failures. The subject matter has very little to do with it.

    • @TheKinglax94
      @TheKinglax94 6 лет назад +3

      Please please please for the love of god explain to me what a PDP movie is I cant find it or figure it out

    • @Appalachiosaurus22
      @Appalachiosaurus22 6 лет назад +26

      Badly made movies are often very successful, RT scores mean less to studios than ticket sales.

    • @ariochiv
      @ariochiv 6 лет назад +27

      I agree that bad movies can and do make money, but I think that should be treated as the exception rather than the rule. It irritates me when people look at an obvious stinker and then say "gosh, why didn't it make money?"
      @TheKinglax94: Public Domain Properties

    • @TheNoonish
      @TheNoonish 6 лет назад +12

      "First Knight" is just a sad tale of how you can put all the pieces in place and mess them up. Sean Connery should have been a natural to play King Arthur and give it the gravitas the role deserves. But you've got all these unintentially silly elements with the weird hand-held crossbows, and your focus is on Richard Gere (from Philadelphia) in a cheesy romantic role.

    • @jinond
      @jinond 6 лет назад +14

      I assume PDP = public domain property

  • @lunatickgeo
    @lunatickgeo 6 лет назад +32

    I think the reason a "realistic, historically-accurate retelling" of the King Arthur movies doesn't work is because the definitive Arthurian stories are anachronistic and grounded in magic and fantasy. I think you're shooting yourself in the foot if you decide to make a convincing "realistic" and "historically-accurate" movie about something that is neither realistic nor historically accurate. Those who do that miss the point. King Arthur tales were Medieval-times escapism, they were the MCU of their day. That's why even today the King Arthur stories that people like the most involve magic and mythology, or comedic or purposefully anachronistic. The Guy Ritchie movie came close but changed the core of the characters, imagine the MCU movies as they are except they made Tony Stark half-alien (which explains his high intelligence), Thor is not an Asgardian but simply a metahuman, Banner becomes the Hulk because of a mystic curse (and so on)...no matter how good the movies are, you'll hate them because they changed the core of the characters. By turning Arthur into a street punk, it changed him too much he's not King Arthur anymore.
    Patrick made a good point about Sherlock respecting this core.

    • @davidwuhrer6704
      @davidwuhrer6704 6 лет назад +1

      Isn't Tony Stark part alien in the comics?
      Anyway: Yes, the oldest versions of the legends are anachronistic and funny. But the magic is not necessarily fantasy. The druids were jealously guarding their secret knowledge, and most magic items in the Arthurian legends (such as the impenetrable shirts) are described as having been made just by using old secret techniques.

    • @lunatickgeo
      @lunatickgeo 6 лет назад +1

      I think the one you're thinking of is Arno Stark but I could be wrong.
      I just meant that I believe that the Arthurian stories that people remember the most, like the most, or speaks to them the most involve fantasy and magic. For me, Boorman's Excalibur comes very close.

    • @JMTgpro
      @JMTgpro 6 лет назад +3

      The problem with Arthur, is that his story is complicated for a single film ... It is epic fantasy, romance, historical, adventure, treasure hunt.
      What best serves that story is television; an aesthetic and tone similar to Vikings and Game of Thrones (with magic and epic), is what would best serve to attract the current audience, even being a medieval epic without changes in setting or set. (The Merlin series has already proved that the TV story division helps to explore everything more easily, it was for a young audience, but it still worked).
      About Robin Hood, it is more difficult, really his story is not so deep. It is the perfect candidate for a change of atmosphere ... Look Mr.Robot, a hacker who wants to attack the corporate system and banks ... Basically it is already written (It is more obscure and with psychological rolls, but it is understandable what I try to say)
      That history must be updated to the modern ideas of economic power, society and culture.

    • @lunatickgeo
      @lunatickgeo 6 лет назад +1

      +J Melchor I totally agree. My favorite literary interpretations of the book are TH White's Once and Future King, Mary Stewart's Merlin trilogy (and Mordred novel) and Bernard Cornwell's Warlord Chronicles. Although OaFK is a single book, it is still subdivided into four (or five) books. There's so much to unpack that a single movie could not do it justice, which is why Excalibur only comes close to perfect.
      You'd think I'd be a fan of the Merlin TV series but they lost me when Merlin walks in on Morgana bathing in the pilot. I'm sorry but you will not find a princess unattended nor could a stranger just walk around unremarked and freely in what was essentially an armed camp in a time of war. There's anachronism and then there's just bad writing.

    • @DSan-kl2yc
      @DSan-kl2yc 5 лет назад +1

      Yeah. The fantasy aspect is important. I don't know why they always try to bury that

  • @rubyshrimpton4730
    @rubyshrimpton4730 5 лет назад +3

    I'd call myself a Robin Hood fan. The BBC show from the noughties had a poor budget and a whole lot of campiness but it made me fall completely in love with the story when I was a kid. It was gritty and campy at the same time and was really quite close to the original stories. It's pretty out of date now, and obviously kid friendly, but it's really quite moving and genuine in places. I'd absolutely recommend the first two series (the third series isn't great). I'd love for Hollywood to finally make a good Robin Hood film, and I'm desperately waiting for one.

  • @l1nus0nl1neproductions9
    @l1nus0nl1neproductions9 6 лет назад +105

    speaking of King Arthur interpretations, does anyone remember the TV series; Merlin

    • @lawrencecalablaster568
      @lawrencecalablaster568 6 лет назад +7

      Linus on the Line I remember when it had equal online fandom standing as Doctor Who and Sherlock.

    • @Panthror
      @Panthror 6 лет назад +2

      Which one? The 1998 mini series ( www.imdb.com/title/tt0130414/?ref_=fn_al_tt_2 ) or the 2008-2012 series ( www.imdb.com/title/tt1199099/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1 )?

    • @KaterynaM_UA
      @KaterynaM_UA 6 лет назад +3

      the second one. It was huge just a few years ago!

    • @Panthror
      @Panthror 6 лет назад +1

      Never seen it, the 1998 one I've seen multiple times as I have it as a 3 hour movie on DVD. I highly recommend it, it has a great cast, with Sam Neill (Jurassic Park, Hunt For The Wilderpeople) as Merlin, Rutger Hauer as King Vortigern, Helena Bonham Carter as Morgan Le Fey, Miranda Richardson as Lady of the Lake & Queen Mab, James Earl Jones as the Mountain King and Isabella Rossellini as Nimue (Merlin's girlfriend/wife).

    • @KaterynaM_UA
      @KaterynaM_UA 6 лет назад

      Yeah, I've seen it. It's pretty good!

  • @carn9507
    @carn9507 6 лет назад +40

    As much as I have fondness for the Disney fox and the Errol Flynn film, no version of Robin Hood appeals to me as much as the 80s tv series Robin of Sherwood which I loved as a kid and still rewatch every year (having moved from the VHS tapes to DVDs and now Blu Rays) and it's beautifully done and every version since has taken bits from it. I love that version and it's characters so much that I don't think any other version will ever top it for me.

    • @sebradfield
      @sebradfield 6 лет назад +1

      Oh Yeah. I was already an adult when that came out, and the only complaint I've ever had was that it ended way too soon.

    • @arbjbornk
      @arbjbornk 6 лет назад +2

      My favorite version of Robin Hood was the other 1991 film, with Patrick Bergin and Uma Thurman. I do like the Robin of Sherwood TV series much better than the 2000's series the BBC did.

    • @sebradfield
      @sebradfield 6 лет назад

      That was a good one. Thanks for reminding me.

    • @arbjbornk
      @arbjbornk 6 лет назад +2

      It's such an over-looked jewel, with a great cast.

    • @bakajon
      @bakajon 6 лет назад +1

      I have always liked the 1950-1960 B/W TV program starring Richard Greene. It was well written and quite entertaining. Of course, it was not a movie of which the video is referring . Great theme song too...

  • @danielgomes2576
    @danielgomes2576 5 лет назад +43

    I'd love to watch a Tarantino's Robin Hood, just sayin'

    • @tinaloye2014
      @tinaloye2014 3 года назад +5

      No

    • @lazyartiste_2357
      @lazyartiste_2357 2 года назад +1

      Unlikely some other Robin Hoods, he'll speak with an American accent!

    • @fromthehaven94
      @fromthehaven94 2 года назад

      A modernized version of The Three Musketeers, I'd pay to see that.

  • @unhhgcrxexhjvuvujchcrzwzwz7956
    @unhhgcrxexhjvuvujchcrzwzwz7956 Год назад +3

    Honestly Excalibur 1981 is a very good and underrated movie. No need to another one.

  • @autumnhobbit
    @autumnhobbit 6 лет назад +18

    I want a Robin Hood comedy Netflix series that’s usually very light-hearted and found-family centric so that the sad moments hit way harder than you’d think. With heavy story-telling focus surrounding the oppression of the people of Sherwood, the friendships between Robin and his Merry Men, his and Marian’s long-term love story, etc.

    • @piyam5000
      @piyam5000 6 лет назад +1

      autumn hobbit there's no gut punches (it's a kids show) but look up BBC's Maid Marian and her merry men. That's my childhood right there.

  • @BLAZINFAST
    @BLAZINFAST 6 лет назад +57

    How about, wait for it... Robin Hood vs. King Arthur?

    • @DavidMac8Six8
      @DavidMac8Six8 6 лет назад +11

      Ohhhh boy. This sounds like a great idea but it is not.

    • @lemonoreo5762
      @lemonoreo5762 6 лет назад +23

      Do they both have a mom named Martha, by chance?

    • @blackderby80
      @blackderby80 6 лет назад +3

      Dear god, no

    • @theoriginalsache
      @theoriginalsache 6 лет назад +6

      They'd have to do something about the setting: Robin Hood is most associated with The Crusades, whilst King Arthur is associated with the Roman occupation of Britain. There's several centuries between the two eras.

    • @blackderby80
      @blackderby80 6 лет назад +6

      theoriginalsache the stories are only associated with the crusades or romans by pretty much one film each, at least in any major capacity. I've read several different versions of robin hood, and all but one had him as 'a stripling youth' on his way to the county fair to take part in the archery contest in the beginning, with that /one/ exception being like prince of thieves, with him returning from the crusades as an adult. Apart from that, the crusades were only ever mentioned to explain king Richard's absence from england.
      And again, with Arthurian legend, I've read several versions throughout my lifetime, and I do not recall one. single. solitary. mention. of the roman empire in any of them.
      Even talking about general time periods, though (robin hood's setting has always had a historical basis, while Arthurian tales have never taken history much into account), they are set at least 300 years apart, maybe more, so you are right about that.
      And thematically, they are sort of polar opposites, with robin of locksley fighting against the sort of authority that king Arthur is a representation of.

  • @rox4884
    @rox4884 5 лет назад +3

    I think a big part of the problem is that we know the story and new movies can't really add anything to the story without changing the core story and then it isn't the character that we know and love.
    Also, are they going to do any follow ups to Avalon High? The intern was absolutely right and while it did have all the elements that we love, it still gave us a couple of surprises in the end, though I kinds saw most of them coming.

  • @VashWolfwood1
    @VashWolfwood1 6 лет назад +3

    For me, the most accurate versions of both tales will always be Monty Python's and Mel Brooks' movies

    • @anubusx
      @anubusx 2 года назад

      Prince Of Thieves!!!

  • @KaterynaM_UA
    @KaterynaM_UA 6 лет назад +26

    You haven't mentioned the Merlin tv series which was moderately successful end went on for 5 seasons.

    • @Kairi1416
      @Kairi1416 6 лет назад +1

      I was so sad on how that show was cancelled. It was so noticeable the last season was rushed :(

    • @rebekahwhite6852
      @rebekahwhite6852 6 лет назад +6

      Yeah, but that was about Merlin primarily. Who, hilariously enough, usually gets skipped over heavily in most of these movies it seems. (Except for the Disney version. From what I've seen anyways, I haven't watched too many King Arthur flicks.) I don't know why they don't just bring back the memorable characters from Arthurian legend, the Merlin show did it pretty well.

    • @taraleereed5527
      @taraleereed5527 6 лет назад +2

      There was also a Merlin film by the BBC (I think) it's a while ago now but did have all the important bit's of the legend in it. I for one really like that version of the story- I guess it was a less well known one & wasn't made by Hollywood but it at least deserves a mention. Worth a watch if you haven't seen it.

    • @Al5052H32
      @Al5052H32 6 лет назад

      Can't have this discussion without mentioning this series. It was a fun and enjoyable series with a great twist and perspective.

  • @rohan22051991
    @rohan22051991 6 лет назад +67

    Why don't they make a proper heist movie with Robin Hood?

  • @rebeccamurphy3516
    @rebeccamurphy3516 5 лет назад +3

    Really liked the video. I don't think people realize that, at the time, Robin Hood and King Arthur were ways for people at the time to escape from their real lives. Robin Hood was the saturday morning cartoon: Robin is cool, fights the villain, does something heroic, and has a B Plot wooing Maid Marian. King Arthur was the soap opera: Arthur is the King, there's a lot of stuff going on, and there's a lot of drama that seems pretty silly. They weren't supposed to be serious. [This is coming from a historian who studies cultures of the Middle Ages, by the way.] Again, liked the video :)

  • @Clay3613
    @Clay3613 5 лет назад +5

    I like Prince Of Thieves and Men In Tights...
    The Phantom was barely advertised sadly.

  • @Jadenjade324
    @Jadenjade324 6 лет назад +328

    Okay but the show Merlin was pretty good

    • @jacksonsteel9709
      @jacksonsteel9709 6 лет назад +10

      so many flashbacks!!!!!!!!!

    • @JamesLawner
      @JamesLawner 6 лет назад

      Jade 123 I still have yet to see it 😭

    • @DM-ig1fb
      @DM-ig1fb 6 лет назад +5

      Jade 123 smallville vs man of steel anyone?

    • @Schmidtelpunkt
      @Schmidtelpunkt 6 лет назад +5

      Indeed... it took the known elements and just added a new spin.

    • @daniellehall1857
      @daniellehall1857 6 лет назад +1

      yep yep

  • @ashleypage1511
    @ashleypage1511 6 лет назад +212

    I was with you right up until you brought up sherlock. If you use BBC sherlock and Elementary, you cant ignore Merlin and BBC Robin Hood. They were both pretty darn successful and have large fanbases so sticking to one medium is important to the argument here and using sherlock as an example of a good way to do PDP stories just shows that you chose to outright ignore the things that might go against your point.
    Along those lines is the fact that several things (like shrek) use their characters in popular ways as well. Once upon a Time for example had an entire season devoted to arthurian legend and Robin Hood was a main character for several seasons.
    I guess my point would be it would've probably been better to have left sherlock's TV adaptations out of it if you were also going to ignore the ones for your subjects

    • @richardbourton4523
      @richardbourton4523 6 лет назад +11

      Ashley Page I was thinking about Once Upon a Time and wondering if it would be mentioned. It's an interesting case, since it regularly uses public domain characters in what amounts to a shared universe and includes all of the examples listed in the video and more: Arthur and Robin like you said, Alice, the Wizard of Oz characters, Peter Pan, all the fairy tale characters (both with Disney adaptations and without like Rumplestiltskin), literary characters like Dr Frankenstein and the Snow Queen. It's quite a good model for a shared universe and tends to retain all the iconography of each character, just repositioned and subverted to fit the given plot.

    • @davidwuhrer6704
      @davidwuhrer6704 6 лет назад +4

      Should we also consider the Avalon arc of the second season of Gargoyles?

    • @Dafmeister1978
      @Dafmeister1978 6 лет назад +23

      Ashley, I think you missed the point. The video is criticising how Hollywood specifically misuses these characters and how their pursuit of a "new, fresh take" on them backfires. Sherlock and Elementary, along with the Guy Richie/Robert Downey Junior films, are being used as examples of how that can be done successfully, and that with Sherlock Holmes Hollywood has managed to use a PDC well. Bringing in Merlin or the BBC Robin Hood would at best have been labouring the point, and at worst diluting it.

    • @ashleypage1511
      @ashleypage1511 6 лет назад +21

      @@Dafmeister1978 I think you missed my point that TV shows shouldn't have been mentioned at all. Ignoring those while including the television adaptations of Sherlock just comes off as cherry picking, and the same point could've been made without elementary and sherlock. (Though I don't personally think the RDJ films could've stood alone as good examples, hence the TV adaptations being not just included, but the main focus). Basically, the TV adaptations, out of fairness and controlled variables, should not have been included.

    • @theessayist25
      @theessayist25 6 лет назад +3

      maybe he hasn't watched any of the shows you've mentioned and those shows still don't negate the point he is making since all the Robin Hood and Arthur movies have been flops while Sherlock movies were successful meaning the BBC Merlin and Robin Hood shows haven't been as popular

  • @reblokha
    @reblokha 5 лет назад +2

    Excalibur is R-rated?! I watched that movie when I was 6 years old and loved it!

  • @senselessbabble1996
    @senselessbabble1996 5 лет назад +6

    Soooo... You're saying my Springheel Jack movie is gonna fail? 🥺

  • @Avarn388
    @Avarn388 6 лет назад +62

    Excellent video. My thing with PDCs is that they are always trying to be something that they are not. The whole gritty phase I rolled my eyes at. Yes there is history to these characters but to people like myself these are larger than life people. That should not imply they cannot be complex and compelling. But like Batman, Superman ,Cap; they need to strike a good balance of us the audience in being a character who is relatable.

    • @DrewLSsix
      @DrewLSsix 6 лет назад +2

      Neil the closest of these to starting a real franchise was probably the Downy Jr Sherlock films. Helped no doubt by at least 2 tv shows that were also popular and notable.

    • @cayreet5992
      @cayreet5992 6 лет назад +4

      With Sherlock Holmes, they also always keep the basics, as mentioned in the video. That helps a lot with recognition. And Sherlock Holmes is much more part of our regular language (like calling that 'friend chronicler' style the Watson style or the nice 'no shit, Sherlock'). To be honest, I'm not much of a fan of the second movie with Downy Jr., but they probably were closest to make it a real franchise. Not that Sherlock Holmes isn't a franchise and a household name all by itself.

  • @TheToneBender
    @TheToneBender 6 лет назад +53

    Men in Tights was perfect

  • @JadisAmalthea
    @JadisAmalthea 5 лет назад +9

    Two things you forgot: 1) The Sword in the Stone is actually a full book by T. H. White. He wrote a child friendly version of his The Once and Future King. I read this child version. 2) There is another Disney version of Robin Hood. Its a live action film called "Robin Hood and His Merrie Men" and it came out in the 60s. It was one of the first live action films the company made, along with Treasure Island and 20,000 Leagues. It wasn't very good so no one really knows about it. I only know of its existence from ads on my 90s VHS tapes of the live action films. Anyway, just some trivia.

    • @AbelMcTalisker
      @AbelMcTalisker 2 года назад +1

      Worth pointing out that the Camelot musical is also based on the T.H.White books and pretty much picks up right where the Disney movie ends.

    • @TheMagicRat
      @TheMagicRat 2 года назад

      That's actually not quite right. The Sword in the Stone is book 1 of The Once and Future King. It's part of it, not a child-friendly version of it (although it is indeed child-friendly).

  • @ArcaneEther
    @ArcaneEther 6 лет назад +9

    I think the funniest line in this was "We've already used all available comic books and video games...".
    Oh no, Hollywood. No, you haven't. And I so desperately hope that you never discover that.

  • @ConvincingPeople
    @ConvincingPeople 6 лет назад +10

    Fun fact: The cast of Disney's Robin Hood being all anthropomorphic animals is actually a relic of the film's origins as a planned adaptation of the Reynard Cycle, which is about as old as the Robin Hood mythos and was, I think, maybe a little too edgy and obscure for the executives. (The English incarnation of Reynard as captured in Caxton's version of the Cycle is particularly amoral and vicious, although he's more of a classic trickster archetype in Continental versions of the tales.)

  • @jimmymullett7558
    @jimmymullett7558 6 лет назад +19

    I feel like we’re skirting around the bigger issue of big budget studios relying on the basically guaranteed popularity of IPs and PDCs instead of, you know, actually investing in original work and putting real time and effort into said work. But I think that’s a topic for another video. Thanks for another awesome video; you’re awesome!

  • @pondboy3682
    @pondboy3682 6 лет назад +3

    How could you not even mention Star Trek TNG's Robin Hood?! Combining beloved characters of two storylines, a unique timeline and all the classic scenes of Flynn, it is truly among the best!

  • @sixpakshaker88
    @sixpakshaker88 6 лет назад +2

    I want a Robin Hood movie where Robin will drive a yard of steel through the villain's gut and still laugh. Robin Hood is basically a trickster god, let him have fun!

  • @UnchartedMedia
    @UnchartedMedia 6 лет назад +7

    This is a topic I've been waiting someone to talk about for the longest time! I grew up reading both stories endlessly and firmly believe they can work as films but you need to have what makes them great. There's a reason they endure and that's what needs to be showcased in their films

  • @Asheriancommand
    @Asheriancommand 6 лет назад +3

    Sam Mcneil's Merlin while corny as all hell is one of the best King Arthur stories ever... (Not even joking)

  • @bravetherainbow
    @bravetherainbow 5 лет назад +2

    I feel like the problem with a modern day take on Robin Hood is how fucking annoying it would be to see a bunch of young rightwingers complain about the politics

  • @djaevlenselv
    @djaevlenselv 6 лет назад +2

    I wish you'd also have brought up King Arthur/Robin Hood adaptations other than film like you did with those other properties you used as example. There have been several serialised adaptations of both characters over the past 30 years and while I don't off the top of my head know how popular either of them were I feel like they would've added an important dimension to the subject.

  • @Rebazar
    @Rebazar 6 лет назад +8

    We've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas!

  • @BreakfastAtNoon
    @BreakfastAtNoon 6 лет назад +7

    "We've already used all comic book and video games..."
    Nah.. nah... just nah.
    Not even close.

  • @squamish4244
    @squamish4244 6 лет назад +1

    The Merlin 1998 tv version and the 2000s series well both well-received. They took a secondary character from the King Arthur story, and it worked. Certainly Merlin being THE most iconic secondary character of the saga helped a lot, but still - it paid off. So a retelling of a timeless legend from another angle can work, if it is done well and the character is inherently appealing.

  • @Rainiepie
    @Rainiepie 6 лет назад +2

    BBC did a TV show of both of those legends one after the other, it's audience were families with older kids to teens to fill the Doctor Who slot while it wasn't running. The tone was a mix between drama and comedy, Merlin being much more light hearted and comedic than Robin Hood. They both did pretty well getting about 6 series each from my memory, with not as massive of a drop in audience as you would expect. I personally loved both of those shows and my family watched Merlin even though we were not in the target audience age range anymore, having grown up with Robin Hood.

    • @willlyon7129
      @willlyon7129 Год назад +2

      I find them both better retelling than Once Upon a Time, it’s got potential but it was wasted by a cheap, mediocre, low budget fan fiction, bland drama that they call it the “grown up version.”

  • @sandraisyearning
    @sandraisyearning 6 лет назад +87

    BBC's Robin Hood and Merlin tho

    • @benarmstrong6904
      @benarmstrong6904 6 лет назад +15

      Merlin was brilliant :)

    • @angrboda45
      @angrboda45 6 лет назад +3

      Yeah I love them both, too, even with the changes made. Just wish they could make an actual *film* of them correctly.

    • @willlyon7129
      @willlyon7129 6 лет назад

      Sandra B British tv shows are a lot better than American tv shows of today.

    • @michaelt.5672
      @michaelt.5672 5 лет назад +3

      TV Shows in general are a whole different beast.
      Right now, we see almost all truly creative and risky storytelling move to high-quality TV series.

    • @user-wg7nw3mh2e
      @user-wg7nw3mh2e 5 лет назад

      Also there was a 1995 successful American King Arthur Movie, called First Knight en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Knight

  • @jmalmsten
    @jmalmsten 6 лет назад +124

    Well... The biggest gripe I have with most of these PDC movies... They just aren't that good...
    And worse yet is when you hear about stories like Nottingham, the script that got the Ridley Scott Robin Hood version of the ground, the script that sounded like an actually interesting and fresh take on the story, was totally buried in preproduction in favor of a messy story that didn't even include the Sheriff...
    And the Guy Ritchie Arthur film felt more like three awesome films haphazardly minced together than anything that was worth the ticket price. It was basically YTP the movie with a hundred or so million dollar budget.
    Make a good/great movie. We will want to see that even if it's about radioactive alien vampires out to steal our breakfast serial. The Lego Movie was a dumb and stupid idea... But by making it a great film it is now hailed as a commercial success and a masterpiece.

    • @MacAisling
      @MacAisling 6 лет назад +3

      Heck, it doesn't even have to be THAT good. I even watched the post apocalyptic Beowulf (1999, Christopher Lambert). [I consider the fantasy setting more of the appeal than any specific character].

    • @StarUnreachable
      @StarUnreachable 6 лет назад +8

      Thiiiiis. My favorite Robin Hood movie is The Adventures of Robin Hood and His Merrie Men (1952), which no one else has heard of but IMO is even better than the Errol Flynn version. Why? It's not because it has a big budget, but the story is good! The characters are well-rounded! And it hits every single iconic aspect of Robin Hood, even contradictory ones (he starts out as a yeoman of Huntington, then is outlawed, then is made Earl of Locksley at the end of the movie)!
      And the Sheriff and the Prince are actually compelling villains, which is more than I can say for Dances with Saxons.

    • @gabrielmachadobsb
      @gabrielmachadobsb 6 лет назад +5

      I actually want the Radioactive Alien Vampires Out To Steal Our Cereal now

    • @sadlobster1
      @sadlobster1 6 лет назад +3

      I have five favorite Robin Hood movies
      1. The Adventures of Robin Hood (with Errol Flynn)
      2. Mr.Magoo in Sherwood Forest (otherwise known as Mr.Magoo's Robin Hood
      3. Disney's Robin Hood (with the animals)
      4. Tom & Jerry Robin Hood and his Merry Mouse
      5. Robin Hood: Men in Tights
      (I love the Ridley Scott movie of Robin Hood too. But the top 5 examples held onto the idea that Rob was more of a folk hero than a real person. So, they were the better versions; even the silly ones)

    • @badideabearcub2747
      @badideabearcub2747 6 лет назад +1

      Radiactive Alien Vampires? No, no. THEY SHOULD be radiactve alien Rabbits! those are the ones after cereals.

  • @drakkenmensch
    @drakkenmensch 6 лет назад +1

    In 1973, Disney released Robin Hood and created a whole generation of furries before there was even a word for it.

  • @justindriscoll4913
    @justindriscoll4913 5 лет назад +3

    Maybe the issue for these movies is not the idea that they need a classical retelling, but rather their stories are being told ad naseum in the current zeitgeist. If you strip Robin Hood down to its essence - rob from the rich and give to the poor - that describes hero tropes that define the current zeitgeist. King Arthur - a righteous leader that uses their absolute power to defend the weak - is literally every super hero movie being told currently.
    So, these characters and their stories are not in dire need of retelling; rather, they have been a core of Western pop culture as a basic story structure that has informed every facet of modern storytelling.

    • @DSan-kl2yc
      @DSan-kl2yc 5 лет назад

      No. That's not how stories work. Robin is about the situation. But Arthur in particular is unlike anything being told now. It's about building a society and failing. It's more like a post apocalypse and it has magic to give it spice.
      It's in-between a good and Demi good story and something like Robin hood

    • @justindriscoll4913
      @justindriscoll4913 5 лет назад

      @@DSan-kl2yc Thanks for taking the time to reply to my post, but I'm unclear as to what you're saying. Could you please clarify by what you mean as that is not how stories work?
      I think your interpreation of the Arthurian cycle is an interesting one, and I'll have to give it some more thought.

    • @DSan-kl2yc
      @DSan-kl2yc 5 лет назад

      @@justindriscoll4913 there are always sort of genre or a category of stories but each have unique elements.
      And I prefer the more fantasy and moral search that a story or myth like Arthur is.
      But there's many possible ways to make an interpretation of Robin hood that are just not being done beyond some disdain for the corrupt wealthy.
      I also don't see a problem with the light hearted interpretations being people's favourites.
      I don't see people doing the unique combinations and even beyond that, the possible interpretations that Robin hood is capable of.
      These modern reboots just look bland. Couldn't it be that they're trying too hard to be like superheroes instead of that type of story being over done.
      Tho they aren't exactly because they keep going for a crap color palette and some weird style.
      I don't think they trust the setting. Not that I care much if the setting is changed either. I think that could be good.
      Tho showing the period could be interesting too.

  • @sonicloyalfan
    @sonicloyalfan 6 лет назад +98

    funny that the version of Arthur I'm most familiar with is the gender inverted one with an Excalibur that fires giant mountain splitting kamehameha beams.

    • @coffeestainedwreck
      @coffeestainedwreck 6 лет назад +12

      The Fate series. Look up "Fate Stay Night Saber" and meet your new waifu.

    • @KhayJayArt
      @KhayJayArt 5 лет назад

      FUCK FATE STAY NIGHT

    • @bishop6881
      @bishop6881 5 лет назад +2

      I mean I don’t exactly think she’s gender “inverted” cough futamagic cough

    • @Gemnist98
      @Gemnist98 3 года назад +1

      I’m ashamed I didn’t immediately recognize what you are referencing, especially since Rin is my waifu.

    • @oddsamurai1
      @oddsamurai1 3 года назад +1

      Saber best king Arthur I know for sure

  • @tallybee9091
    @tallybee9091 6 лет назад +5

    As a 22 yr old, u nailed ur guess with how my age group knows Robin Hood lmao Shrek is iconic

  • @missdelaney723
    @missdelaney723 6 лет назад +1

    Avalon High, the book not the movie, is honestly amazing and deserves more respect

  • @katarishigusimokirochepona6611
    @katarishigusimokirochepona6611 5 лет назад +2

    I actually really liked the Clive Owen "King Arthur" but your points are well-taken. Love your vids, especially the ones with your 'rents! Keep it up!

  • @nemowindsor8724
    @nemowindsor8724 6 лет назад +17

    Well, I'm the weirdo who loved the original fables and stories Robin and Arthur are from and have since I was a kid. I'd want to show up to the movie if it was a good take, but most come across as soulless, like using royalty-free music to avoid paying copyright. I went to Marvel's THOR because I like the myths and ended up very happy - it had a creative take on the ideas that felt like its own thing more than a rigid adaptation with most of the 'weird' cut out, like a lot of these films can be. I can get my good Robin Hood content from my childhood books, and the films don't have enough unique flavour to make them something distinct.

  • @RichardM-kv4uu
    @RichardM-kv4uu 6 лет назад +32

    Robin Hood is awesome. I'm not biased at all just because I'm from Nottingham. ;-)

    • @dragoneye6229
      @dragoneye6229 6 лет назад +1

      There is one thing I have to know. Do you have a sheriff and does he pull off the evil guy look?

    • @JonathonSwinney2814
      @JonathonSwinney2814 5 лет назад

      Oh? You are? But I thought Robin was from Lincolnshire?

  • @dergiggler3603
    @dergiggler3603 6 лет назад +1

    Your videos are awesome, they make statements and back them up with good reasoning and logic and are expansive enough where you could stop at any point and still think the video is great. If you keep watching you get more reasons and I love that. Keep making more

  • @intergalactic92
    @intergalactic92 2 года назад +1

    The issue with Men in Tights is that it is parodying a film which is inherently silly to begin with. Prince of Thieves is played straight but it remains very silly and light-hearted in tone, and Alan Rickman's performance will never not be entertaining

  • @IgorKolar
    @IgorKolar 6 лет назад +12

    There was a more classic Sherlock Holmes movie with Ian Mckellen not three years ago...that apparently nobody saw

    • @christianemden7637
      @christianemden7637 6 лет назад +3

      I saw it, and found it heart breaking.

    • @johnnyskinwalker4095
      @johnnyskinwalker4095 6 лет назад

      Good movie about a retired aging Holmes and his relationship with a girl, if I remember.

    • @Petemeister22
      @Petemeister22 6 лет назад +1

      Igor Kolar I saw it and can understand why it wasn't popular. A retired Sherlock questioning his methods in his old age, though interesting, isn't exactly enthralling entertainment for the masses.

  • @connornyhan
    @connornyhan 6 лет назад +118

    Rather than just giving all the merry men their own movie, maybe set it in a neutral setting (possibly more fantastical, like an alternate earth) and do a public domain character cinematic universe. Obviously, make it good, but who wouldn’t want to see a kick ass movie where King Arthur and the Knights of the Round table team up with Robin Hood and the Merry Men, Sherlock Holmes, Abraham Van Helsing, Zorro, and Frankenstein’s Monster to fight Dracula or something ridiculous as that. It would take actual effort to make it good, (especially since The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen had a similar sort of concept and failed miserably) but if you nail the setting, you could still embrace the qualities that make each character unique and recognizable.

    • @DDay_Movies
      @DDay_Movies 6 лет назад +20

      Yeah I'd watch that. Fantasy Period Piece Avengers sounds like my new favorite thing

    • @akshaybhatia8971
      @akshaybhatia8971 6 лет назад +12

      The show Penny Dreadful already kinda did that, and did it really really fantastically. Because it really stayed true to the original visions of the characters, where Frankenstein's monster is an intelligent being, scarred and abandoned, Dorian Gray struggles with the boredom of immortality. All the characters got really tremendous portrayals, and it all felt fresh because we finally got the true portrayals from the original source materials

    • @DDay_Movies
      @DDay_Movies 6 лет назад +6

      I've been meaning to watch that show. I've heard it's great

    • @izendale
      @izendale 6 лет назад +10

      You may or may not be describing the fate series from japanese medias (visual novel, light novel, anime, and video games)

    • @elizarodrigez1992
      @elizarodrigez1992 6 лет назад +1

      Connor Nyhan Isn't that basically the Dark Universe from Universal Studios?

  • @JUSTanotherHPfan
    @JUSTanotherHPfan 6 лет назад +1

    Completely agreed with what you said, Hollywood needs to keep it simple! As a student of English, I like to think that I have an above average interest in these characters (having read Morte D'Arthur and several other stories, such as Sir Gawain and the Green Knight and others). My favourite interpretations of these characters are the BBC television adaptations Merlin and Robin Hood (Merlin was very successful, Robin Hood less so). In terms of Hollywood adaptations, my favourite is Prince of Thieves (although I'm 22), simply because it lives up to the legend that you imagine. Same thing with the series, Robin Hood in the BBC adaptation is a troubled yet glorious character, and it sits right in between the impossible, big-budget stunts that seem to appear in the new version, and the gritty 'realism' of the Russel Crowe version. It's not supposed to be overly realistic, because it is a legend, but it's also not supposed to be a superhero movie with big fights and stunts, because that is simply not compatible with the setting. Prince of Thieves keeps it simple, as does the BBC series. With King Arthur, it's similar. The 2004 version is simply too 'demystified' and too realistic for my tastes, as it completely detracts from the legend of the character. Whereas the BBC Merlin version is (in the earlier seasons at least) aimed at children, it keeps up the legendary-ness of the characters and it has fun little references to all the stories written about Arthur for the viewer with a keen eye. But it's also not a comedic version like Monty Python or Men in Tights, which don't really sit right with me for also detracting from the legends of the characters (but they are entertaining). TLDR: the recent hollywood productions of these characters either detract from or overdo the legendariness of the characters they try to portray. KEEP IT SIMPLE!

  • @neomp5
    @neomp5 5 лет назад +1

    i'm curious how the TV series "merlin" fits into your theory. it was a radical departure, saved most of the iconic imagery for later seasons, and was still very successful

  • @naboob
    @naboob 6 лет назад +11

    If i was Netflix, i'd hire you.

  • @gallendugall8913
    @gallendugall8913 6 лет назад +10

    No. It's the scripts. Modern scripts are terrible because plot, character development, and setting are extracted in order to cram in more spectacle because Hollywood is terrified of making a boring film and assume audiences all have ADD.

    • @ariesroc
      @ariesroc 6 лет назад

      Unfortunately for so many movies that is the case. They want to make movies that look good but are little substance.

    • @gallendugall8913
      @gallendugall8913 6 лет назад

      In today's hyper sensitive politically correct environment the only substance they feel safe including is vacuous pandering.

    • @BigDaddyJinx
      @BigDaddyJinx 6 лет назад

      A more easy to digest answer to the problem goes beyond just scripts, but how they're rendered. You can blame "Save The Cat" formulaic line by line writing for that hot mess. It's a rare find these days to read a script that doesn't hit the "beats" in precise order as according to "Save The Cat" type mentality.
      That, my friend, is what is so wrong with scripts these days.

  • @TheSomniloquy
    @TheSomniloquy 5 лет назад +5

    I'm just tired of seeing the same CGI rendered army fighting these completly dumb "epic" battles for the past like 20 years.

  • @joncarroll2040
    @joncarroll2040 Год назад +1

    One could argue that Arrow is the perfect modern Robin Hood adaptation.