You should watch the "Really that good" video on the matrix by the channel moviebob. It's a long form video analysing why the first matrix is such a great all time classic film. It's one of the best things on RUclips. Fans of either this Patrick or Bob would enjoy the other channel, they're similar in a lot of ways
Patrick (or that mad scientist) could easily use Deepfake tech to actually make these and we wouldn't be able to tell the difference from the real thing!
A lot of the problem of the scene is it feels disconnected. The sex feels a lot more like 70's porn than a cry for life. The party (and people we care about) is as rebellious as Morpheus said. Moving it and giving it more impact changes it completely.
You know ,i just rewatched all the móvies and the animatrix, and for all their flaws i am glad that they exist. Yes the wachowski's got a little too arrogant but, what Is the point of big extravagant epic imaginative blockbusters if you're not even triying?
I agree. And you can easily resolve this issue even in the rewrite version by having Trinity accompany Neo and before they reach the Source, she sacrifies herself when they are being chased down by sentinels.
The video is sorely underestimating the important of Trinity and the romance as a whole. Shes kinda wholy written out. Which is ultra fitting since Matrix 4 had a whole montage kinda about that lol
I think it's just sort of glossed over in this. A lot of details are. You can just assume they're still there. But I actually think this version he presents here is pretty awesome. I mean... Trinity went into the Matrix to make sure Neo made it through the Door of Light. He asked her not to go, and she does what she knows she must, because she's WILLING to die for him. In the third movie, she dies... just because. There was no purpose to it. She made no great sacrifice, and her existence was solely to just be Neo's lover... which is in it's own way really shallow. "We just need our hero to have a woman." It sort of comes off as that. The idea that, in the Docks, as the first Driller gets taken out, she prepares one last rocket to fire at the second Driller, and as she takes aim, she sees a Sentinel swooping down toward her, and she would whisper, "Neo... If all I can do is give you time - our time together, time to save us all, I'll give all I can afford." She fires the rocket. The second Driller explodes. The Sentinel impales her. The Drillers are now down until the Sentinels repair them, and she's bought Neo that bit of extra time he needs to reach The Machine City. You can assume I rather liked the idea of this rewrite... I know it's not perfect, I know it's going to have stuff like this that people find unsatisfying, but I still think it's better than "and then she died when they got to the city I guess."
With Neo having a connection with the machines' network, i think he could keep a frequent mental tab on her. Would be heartbreaking for him to see her death through the lens of a machine, and perhaps Trin can imagine this as she speaks out to Neo as she's dying.
Neo may feel Trinity's death. They are connected. This kind of connection may be established throughout the sequels so that it doesn't feel as coming from nowhere
"You do not wanna see me get out of this chair, mister! Ergo, open your yapper one more time and I'm going to architect a world of pain all over your candy ass!"
I really liked it all, but I think instead of the Merovingian having old programmes that take down Neo, it would be cool if they were former 'Ones'. I've always had this dream of Neo fighting earlier versions of the Ones, and I think it would be more believable if it was them that beat him.
@@Rubberbandfan1 yes, I don't think you have to have written the Matrix lore to how a valid opinion on how it continues and what the many pitfalls of the sequels were. Most of the best Star Wars stuff isn't written by George Lucas.
@@Bobbypinker I meant all the Matrix lore, even the Animatrix, which was written by multiple people. The point is that all three of the movies were perfect in that they told a complete, well-written, imaginative story, and they were damned entertaining all throughout. The “problems” that I have heard from critics of the Matrix sequels are mostly due to a misunderstanding of the philosophy, plot-structure, and the era in which the films were made. The sequels definitely don’t need to be rewritten, especially by someone who admits that the directors are better writers than he is.
@@Rubberbandfan1 You're entitled to that opinion. I don't share your opinion. I think the original Matrix is a perfect movie, and the sequels are so-so and very flawed. Telling a complete, well-written story doesn't make it perfect. Lots and lots of movies do that and aren't that great.
An aspect of The Matrix that saddens me in its omission in this video is the trans allegory. Lana Wachowski has gone on record that the subway scene in the first movie ("That is the sound of inevitability") was inspired by a moment of suicidal ideation she was suffering during a bout of gender dysphoria at a subway. The way Morpheus describes the Matrix in the first movie, as a prison you can't see or taste or touch but you know is there because something about the world feels *wrong*, can be likened to someone just before they realize they are trans trying to make sense of why the world doesn't fit. Much of the first movie is about conformity and identity, see how Agent Smith insists on calling Neo "Mister Anderson", akin to deadnaming him. Most importantly: already by the first movie, Agent Smith reveals to Morpheus that he *hates* the Matrix and he himself feels imprisoned by it. The same way a "gender essentialist" society restricts and oppresses gender-nonconforming individuals, it *also* oppresses *gender-conforming* individuals by virtue of forcing them to live under a role with a predescribed identity. There is also subtext where Smith's actions can be read as a self-hating Trans/queer individual who is willingly working with the system in the hopes that just marching in tune will make things make sense *eventually*, and if not then he can at least enjoy the benefits of being favored by the oppressing class (being "one of the good ones", in other words). Also, there's Switch. Switch was supposed to be a man in the real world but present as a woman in the Matrix. When you factor that in, Smith becomes a way more important character. Smith's scenes when they acquire a human body in the real world can be likened to a self-hating trans individual experiencing moments of gender euphoria. Where Smith goes on a self-hating rampage of wanting to destroy the Matrix, machines and humanity alike, Neo stands ready to oppose him. Neo has already transitioned. He knows the Matrix/gender is just a construct and it imprisons the oppressor and the oppressed alike, and that the path forward is through unity, healing and both mutual- and self-acceptance. Also, the Blue pill is HRT. In that light, a really easy way to keep Smith in the film is to further explore how much Smith resents Neo and Humanity but at the same time is VIOLENTLY desperate to have what they have--and yet he hates himself because all his life, all he's known had taught him that that was wrong. So now that he knows the truth he doesn't know how to reconcile any of it.
@@FusionFullForce Correct, the red pill makes the most sense as HRT. The story goes that estradiol pills were red back in the day, though I wasn't around then to know that first-hand. Funny enough, estradiol pills are typically a blue-green sorta color nowadays.
In defense of the Jabba's Palace scene from RotJ I think it's a way of establishing how far Luke had come since the end of Empire. He wears black, he can do Obi Wan's mind tricks now, he's a much more confident and competent character and that adventure is a way to demonstrate all those things without throwing us straight into the moon of Endor.
KaiCrafted yeah. It’s a nice kind of inversion of the hero’s journey, since he completes his task - free Han - and “gets the girl” (yeah his sister ok). Point being we have him doing all this stuff that looks like the climax of a hero’s story. Which is a nice juxtaposition to the Throne Room, where we’d then expect him to deploy all his powers, and instead the throne room battle becomes about him surrendering himself, rather than overpowering.
Also it reintroduces the status quo after the craziness at the end of Empire. Everything is in flux, we don't know what's happened to everyone, so it's great to see how Leia, Lando, Chewie, the droids, and Luke have all ended up and see them over the course of the mission reintroduce themselves, reunite, and reassert their heroic stature after getting emotionally shattered at the end of the last movie. From a plot perspective, yeah it's kind of redundant, but from a character and tone perspective it's aces!
@@derekpederson1952 I like that Jabba's Palace was wholly unrelated to the Empire vs Rebellion war. It was a fun change of pace. It made the Galaxy feel like a real place, where more than just one thing was happening. The whole thread of Han Solo's character was that he was an outsider in this conflict. So it is only natural that the movies would have to deal with that. It isn't like how The Last Jedi throws in that random casino planet or the pointless scene in The Force Awakens when Rey and Finn get attacked by the pirates who have nothing to do with anything
It's kinda ruined by the fact that Luke's plan is so sloppy and ill-planned, though. Getting tricked by Jabba, getting captured, succeeding by the skin of his teeth even though he had an infinite amount of time to plan, etc... It makes Luke look like he DIDN'T learn anything in ESB.
Neo literally duex ex machina's her like 3 times. Her death is still upsetting. Knowing I'd never see her when the matrix online started made it super hard to care about the matrix any more. Even Morpheus started blowing shit up. Online had a persistent sad feeling to it. It had a whole over world story, it was like a funeral.
Trinity could never die in the Matrix because Neo loves her and he is a god there. She died in the real world, doing for her man what he could no longer do. That's what people don't get with the sequels : the Wachowski's wanted to tell a different story than the old power trip where the hero gets the girl and everything ends up fine even though a half dozen people they knew died horribly. If the only thing you get from Matrix is that Neo is the hero and he always saves the day you clearly missed the incredibly dark and gritty undertones of the whole movie. Yes what they set themselves up to do in the sequels could have been done better with more writing time, but the scope and the intent of the story would not have been different. Trinity and Neo would never have survived. Because everything as a price and saving humanity losing only 2 lives isn't really high.
@@mr.shyryhud1659 I disagree, at least the serendipity in Revolutions fit the story and actually make it work, in ROS it's just lazy writing. I understand the critics and the movie is far from perfect but it fits the themes and message of the story, whereas there's none of that in the Disneylogy.
Great vid! That’s so awesome you put the end of path of neo in here. I worked on that game and designed the dream lobby intro game difficulty level, the 3 Anderson beats, all training missions, dojo fight, and the 3 rescue Morpheus beats - lobby, rooftop, and helicopter rescue. I’ll never forget the day when we received the high-level story script from the Wachowski siblings. I kid you not it was virtually one run-on sentence spanning multiple pages. Ah, the good ol’ days.
Oh my god, I was avoiding this video for a long time because even though the sequels weren't good, they still have a special place in my heart. I didn't want to hear you remove the scenes that I liked. But GODDAMN. You are a genius. This is amazing. You just earned a new subscriber!!!
"...I am in no way saying I could have written better versions of these movies, or I'm fixing their work." Thank you for that, because the opposite is way more prevalent on youtube.
Yet he goes ahead and says there are problems and can he fix them... I mean come on. We can like directors and creators and still say they made stinkers that should be fixed and someone could probably do better. In fact often the people who can contribute to making things better through collaboration needn't be able to do everything themselves. That's explicit in many works where a director's work has been improved by the contributions of others who may not be whole filmmakers themselves.
You do *NOT* want to see me get out of this chair! Ergo open your yapper one more time and I'm gonna... architect a world of pain all over your candy ass!
The song has history. He in the UK a grassroots campaign made the song a xmas no1 to defy Simon Cowell and his show X Factor. In the end it all just goes to Sony. content.time.com/time/arts/article/0,8599,1949249,00.html
@@gedbyrne8482 Like they say in the video, the best way to control a revolution is to subvert and appropriate it. Which isn't to say that RATM don't have revolutionary cred, but they definitely made a decision to allow Sony to profit from their rhetoric when they signed to Epic. I was at a screening of Sorry to Bother You which had a Q&A with Boots Reilly and I asked him about this sort of thing at the end, citing the scene in which one of the culturejammed Worryfree posters is displayed at Steve Lift's party. He mentioned that he's in a band with Tom Morello, Prophets of Rage, and when recording one time Morello told him a story about the filming of the RATM video for Sleep now in the Fire. If you don't know it, they set up a stage on Wall Street and shot a video of them playing the song live, without a permit, with the express intention of provoking a reaction from the cops. So they play the song through, no cops. They play through again, no cops. But this time there's a noise in the background, like a rumbling. it gets louder and louder. Adn then a ton of guys in business gear come around the corner, chanting SUITS FOR RAGE, SUITS FOR RAGE. Which is interesting to see how the relationship can be symbiotic. And I guess, I'm an anarchist, typing this on my work laptop - as I work in a massive medical equipment manufacturer.
I love how this still fits with the fan theory that Smith is actually the One. Definitely agree these would have been tighter, clearer, and better paced than the original sequels.
Smith and Neo are caninically the same. Smith is Neos shadow. The machine equivolent to balance the equation. Thats also why they gain power equally and their final fight is just two equal forces ramming into each other.
Patrick: What is the purpose of Agent Smith? Agent Smith: "It is purpose that created us, purpose that connects us, purpose that pulls us, that guides us, that drives us, it is purpose that defines, purpose that binds us"....
I like Reloaded and Revolutions quite a bit, but it's a shame that they don't reach the same heights as the Matrix. I blame the studios and shareholders pressuring the Wachowskis and the cast and crew far too much.
I'm still in the camp that this didn't need to be a trilogy at all, and The Matrix is best as a singular will. But Patrick's constructive suggestions for restructuring the sequels all sound like they would be improvements
I think Wachowskis had nearly no pressure and the movies ended up just like they wanted. The problem was that they couldn't really figure out what to do with unlimited budget. Having some limits for the implementation forces you to come up with creative solutions, unlimited budget allows you to skip thinking about alternative solutions and I think that was what happened there.
@@MikkoRantalainen nah they had to come up with plenty of creative solutions to do all sorts of cutting edge shit they had going on in those movies. Unlimited budget doesnt mean it was "easy" for anyone working on it
OMG, yes. All it would take is Morpheus holding up a CPU chip instead of a damn battery and explaining that the machines were about to extinct us until they realized they could use our non-digital, non-linear intelligence (think of us as organic GPUs to their CPUs) to solve problems they couldn't but found they needed to provide a Matrix to keep us sane. Also, at some point in the sequels I was convinced that we'd find out that the REAL reason the machines needed us and were rebooting the matrix to re-cultivate Neo was that they face an existential crisis from the threat of a Singularity at the edge of our solar system that was coming to inevitably absorb them. Neo and his disciples would be the immune system against their irrelevance and annihilation. Queue sequel...
@@jones1618 It was the The Wachowskis original version of the film but the studio made them change it because they they thought that the audience wouldn't understand what computational power is.
When Patrick suddenly brought up "the eyes of the Oracle" (@27:20), I was like: "huh, a new McGuffin?..." and then he cuts to the Merowingian ACTUALLY saying that... I was super dumbfounded. I had no idea this was in the movie (and I watched the all plenty). Which really just goes to show HOW convoluted the dialogue in that movie is, it's so hard to keep track of it all. 😆
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First of all, I love this, thank you Patrick. Second of all, I feel like you missed a possible tie in. You have Neo spend time in the train station (the bridge between life and death/afterlife for programs), and decide to live and use his powers to break it open so he can return to the Matrix. That's your in for Smith returning, he would have had to follow that same path through the train station to return to the source, but as he's doing so, he sees the hole Neo broke in the wall that leads back to the Matrix and follows it, so Neo's choice to live had the unintended consequence of giving Smith a way back as well, instead of just mysteriously reappearing. Anyways some day when we can generate entire films using complex machine learning, we'll make your version of the movies real, just give it a few decades.
I've never been able to get a good read on Patrick as a person. I respect his opinons, and even when I have disagreed with him I see where he is coming from His explanations are awesome. However, if I knew him as a genuine person in the real world I can't decide if he'd be super cool and we'd bros over nerd culture or if he'd drive me batty. It'd certainly be one of those two extremes. Patrick is an enigma to me.
You can't ever know somebody from their RUclips videos. They're all playing a character when on screen, even if it's meant to be themselves. It's scripted and acted even though it's non fiction.
Jabba's place shows how Luke has grown in power, and how well the full team works together. It's part of the story emotionally cause we needed to seem them all together one last time,
CGI is getting better and better every year, I could totally see someone re-editing these movies and for the missing scenes use CGI. The tricky part would be the voices.
@@HarmonicWave There's a sci-fi series of books called the Fractured Europe Trilogy, set twenty years from now, in which this is a thing. Like, it's a nerdy cottage industry.
I'm so glad that we're finally getting critical appraisals of the sequels that aren't just flippant dismissal. This was really fantastic and does underline just how much the existing materiel of the films could work better with a bit of restructuring. One detail that always kind of bugs me when people talk about the sequels, though, is when the topic of the Source comes up. I feel like people tend to either oversimplify what it is or make blanket analogies for what it represents. Like, your interpretation of it as "machine heaven" is perfectly valid, because the Wachowskis play kind of fast and loose with actually explaining what the source is (which I think it by design). You also make a point that it's a part of the Matrix, which I don't think is supported by the film, since the Oracle and Rama Chandra make a point in explaining that the "machine world" and the Matrix are separate places, and that's why Rama's family has to be smuggled from the machine world to the Matrix, to escape it's influence and control. That's also why the Merovingian is in the Matrix, to escape with his cohorts from being deleted after becoming obsolete following the failure of the second Matrix. As Rama says "if you want to bring something from our world (the machine world) to your world, you must speak with the Frenchman." That separateness is also why the machines aren't able to just reboot delete Smith on a whim. The machine world, on the other hand, would then probably be the domain of the Source, which to me sort of symbolizes the concept of God. Not necessarily the personified Judeo-Christian kind of God either, mind you (that'd probably be the Architect). Like, I get where the knee jerk "this is a Christ alegory" comes from since there is Christian imagery and concepts mixed in there, but I doubt they'd settle for just one religious influence. To me the Source feels more like a Hinduish, Bhramanistic sort of God, and I think that's supported by when Neo starts to see the golden light. The Wachowskis have gone on record as saying that the golden light that Neo sees is the key to understanding Revolutions. The gold light, to me, is used to symbolize a being that originated from the Source. After all, as Morpheus says in the first film, all programs and machines were said to be born from a "singular consciousness" that then spread, so each being that spawns from the Source is also a part of it, and that's what the light is. We see it in Seraph, whose a program from the machine city. Notice we never get "Neovision" of any other programs from the machine world in the Matrix after that initial encounter. I'd wager they'd appear gold to Neo as well as his powers developed more and more. The light that fills the machine city, that's blinding once Neo reaches it's core, is the same as the one that appears in every machine. They are separate, but the same. In that sense, maybe a program going back to the Source to get "deleted" isn't so much dying and going to machine heaven, but returning to the "Source" of their very existence to rejoin it, essentially the "death" of their singular existence. I think all this this ties in a lot with what happens to Neo at the end when he "dies." Neo merges with Smith, and I think it's safe to assume Neo is plugged into the Source and if we take what I mentioned before we can safely assume that's what's surging through him as he and the Smiths he's connected to are "deleted." I think in that moment his consciousness is joining with the Source, and Smith's is too since he was tricked into inadvertently connecting himself to the Source -- exactly where he didn't want to go. As you pointed out, he's a being of ego, and if joining the Source is what happens on "deletion" that's straight up ego death right there. Not exactly sure what the mechanics of that are (I wish the Wackowskis elaborated just a little bit on how Neo's connection with the Source works, both the connection itself and how he does it wirelessly early on). My best guess is it has something to do with Neo's innate connection to it from being "the One" and the fact that Neo took the full blast of Smith's last "deletion." We see when Neo's body being carted away the light emanating off of him looks distinctly like a lotus flower, which as I understand, in Hinduism, symbolizes when a human is at it's highest state of being in -- in this case exhibited in the merging of machine consciousness with human consciousness. The Wachowskis have mentioned somewhere that what happens to Neo is the "delimiting of his consciousness." Beats me what it means in the specifics, but I do feel like it has to do with the Oracle's Ultimate goal, which is the reconciliation of man and machine beyond just a tenuous military truce, which is tied to Neo's fate as well as Sati's. As she said, she knows the future "and the only way we get there is together." I dunno, this all may sound a bit splurgy, vague, and overcomplicated, but I so rarely get to talk with folks about the sequels so I kind of feel I need to be a bit splurgy.
Good explanation on Neo's connection to the source. I agree though, would've been nice to have SOME hint as to how Neo is connected to it, but I guess if some aspect of Neo's psyche was programmed by the machines, and all machines are programmed by the source, then the source programmed Neo...? They introduce the source in Reloaded, so Revolutions should've focused on explaining the source and it's significance in the world. I mean they do explain aspects of it, sure, but it's all far too cryptic. I like mysterious stories and all, but Revolutions is good argument for why you shouldn't start raising more questions right before your big action saga is about to end.
With long comments like yours, they're either really well-written arguments, or psycho rambling. Usually it's the latter. Happy to find the former. Well said, Skybox Media :)
I feel like that's a lot of the reason discussion about the sequels is so rare. There's so many interpretations and potential meanings coupled with religious imagery that they tend to attract the kind of folks prone to spewing pseudo-profound, word salad rambling, which turns a lot of people off (myself included).
Great job my dude. Cohesive, and most importantly (at the very least) satisfying. Now, you need to go over Game of Thrones, Seasons 7 and 8, and re-write those with the existing content.
Crazy idea: maybe Zion isn't a fixed city, it's a city-sized hover-ship that is constantly on the move. The critical bits they have to defend are things like the engines, maybe it has its own drill to bore new tunnels, etc.
The sequels are good, and have aged tremendously well. The secret is to stop comparing it to part 1. Sure, it's a tighter film with a more straight forward narrative.
Kinda related but I've imagined Neo seeing the Matrix for what it is and being able to break physics as the same way a speedrunner knows how to exploit the glitches in a game to fly around the map.
And Sati gives the Oracle the clue that lets her understand her decision to surrender to Smith, which in turn allows the Oracle to give Neo the hint he needs in order to understand what he needs to do to defeat Smith - something at risk of being lost in this rewrite by having the burly brawl taking place at the same time as the Oracle being taken.
This is seriously one of my FAVORITE videos you've done! It's just an excellent deconstruction, analysis, and re-construction of these films. I also have not seen the sequels in their entirety in over decade. Revolutions I haven't seen much of since the theatre. I catch Reloaded on cable on a rare occasion, and it still has an appeal to me despite being baggy and long-winded. With the fourth movie announced, I look forward to further reactions and analysis on this franchise in years to come!
Hi Patrick, Great video. Just a few things that I would change: In Reloaded: Rewrite, you said that Trinity and Morpheus escape the highway scene on their own, I think that undercuts the rule that "No one survive the highway in the Matrix". they would need divine intervention (Neo) to escape. I would have Neo exit the train station and get back to the real world as per your rewrite, intercut with the highway sequence, and finding out from Link that he team mates are in danger, which is a call back to first Matrix where Neo is resolve to save Morpheus, and he does in this movie as per the original sequence. In Reloaded, I would also keep the Bane character, but with a different actor. Throughout Reloaded, Bane would be the one person that keeps acting strange around Neo as if he has a grudge against Neo. Keep the scene where he tries to murder Neo before the big mission (Power Plant/Architect mission). No explanation needed for Bane in this movie. In the Prologue of Revolution: Rewrite, after your scene explaining the Return of Smith, add in that original scene of Smith taking over Bane from Reloaded here, and this now provides context for Bane and the eventual blinding of Neo. I quite like Revolution, but in my opinion, the biggest flaw for that movie is the editing of the two big set pieces. I would intercut the battle of Zion (geography of Zion needs to be shown in Reloaded, which the original tried but didn't show much that is significant to this battle), with the Journey to the machine city/confrontation with Bane. Culminating to the Retreat of Zion Soldier (Blow up the Bridge) and the death of Trinity. Then the rest of the movie play out as is. My reason to include Bane is to keep the stake of Smith high in the real world. Plus blind Neo is such a cool look, it harken to old manga trope (from which Matrix draw a lot of its inspiration). Other than the above, well done on your video.
"I wish this steak was juicy and delicious. Instead, it's over-coocked, pretty chewey and defenitley over-seasoned. But it was made with love. And hey, it's still steak." I'm gonna keep that quote for the time being.
I liked how you remixed elements of Revolutions into Reloaded and vice versa, kinda fits considering both films are kind of two halves of one larger followup story. There were just a few things that stood out to me about the rewrites that brought them down from the goal you were shooting for: - The rework of Neo dying at the hands of the Merovingian's goons feels pretty weak and more of just a work around for "How do we have compelling and dramatic action scenes when Kung-Fu Jesus is around?" With the transplanted train station sequence, you've basically reiterated his progression in the last act of the first movie, with Neo dying, coming back understanding the fundamental nature of the Matrix's "unreality" by giving up/taking away the reality of his mortality, attaining godhood and becoming unstoppable, only this time it was for a slightly different OS? Again, feels kinda weak. I think the idea of crafting fight scenes around story points, like your rework of the Burly Brawl not being to defeat the Smiths but to protect the Oracle, is a much neater solution to the Kung-Fu Jesus problem. - The idea of Neo deciding to save humanity "as a man" or "as a god" feels like a pretty flimsy internal development for him to make compared to the first movies straightforward "know thyself" arc, because in the end the choice is still the same, he gives up his life either way, the result doesn't change. I'm not saying it couldn't work, but I am saying that I think it would feel less urgent and resonant. I would just stick with "I want to live a quiet life with Trinity but being a God for humanity means giving that up" as his development (unless that's what you meant in which case alright we're good there.) - Just gonna talk about the elephant in the room with this one, Neo having Matrix powers in the Real World is a sticking point with fans for a reason and needs to be addressed/removed. Even if the idea of Neo having a wireless connection with the machines is sound and is explained internally, it just feels too much like magic and needlessly undoes previously established concepts. A quick and dirty rule that tends to crop up when talking about The Matrix sequels is that the ratio of time in the Matrix vs. Real World flips as the series goes on and that flip in ratio corresponds to the generally agreed upon decrease in quality, and I think it would do well to keep that in mind here. Why not have Neo go to Machine City inside the Matrix? Have Trinity fly him around in the Logos avoiding the Sentinels while he's jacked in and he uses a backdoor, or exploits an opening created by the Smith's wreaking havoc, or just does it because he's The One, she dies just as he makes his deal with the Machines and gets his shot at stopping Smith, cue the rest of the movie. It honestly makes sense that a bunch of machines would store their intelligence inside giant servers where they can be and do whatever they want instead of limiting themselves to physical platforms all the time in an actual city with buildings and walkways and stuff. Ultimately the problem I have with this (very well-made, thoughtful, intelligent, and entertaining) video and other videos like this is that they are inevitably very structure-focused, when oftentimes what makes or breaks a movie goes so, so much deeper than just the events of the plot. It assumes (fairly, it's hard to influence things that are totally out of your control, but nevertheless) that The Architect's performance will be delivered in a non-stilted, more interesting and engaging, less pedantic manner so that what he's saying can go over better with the audience, that the action scenes in the Battle for Zion won't just devolve into a sludge of motion-blurred CGI and people shooting into the sky screaming "AARGGH!" It assumes that people will care about characters like Lock, Nairobi, Kid, Ghost, Seraph, The Keymaker, etc. because they will be presumably be written with better roles. It assumes so much more about this story will be taken care of once all the pieces have been shuffled into a better order, stuff that really can't be taken for granted. Even my little suggested fixes fall into this same problem and go to show how we as viewers tend to consider movies in contrast to people more in the know about the process, which you obviously are, I just wanted to reiterate to emphasize how much more is involved in "rewriting/remaking" already existing movies to try and do something different with them. Look, the Matrix sequels are perfect examples of movies that ultimately didn't need to exist and, if we're talking about good movies instead of just about "interesting" ones (which they certainly are, they are fascinating to think about and study), the first movie would probably have been better off with them not existing. They needlessly add in new characters and lore and features to dramatically expand the world (see also the Pirates of the Caribbean franchise for a bad example of this "franchise starts at movie 2" problem) which only serve as bloat, and the underlying message about the conflict between free will vs. determinism and the nuanced nature of revolution, while very important and valuable, ultimately undermines the end of that kick ass first movie everybody loved so much in the first place. Anyways, great vid, keep doing what you're doing, oh and also the Jabba mission in Return of the Jedi might feel like a bit of a cul de sac from a plot perspective but absolutely works from a character and tone perspective because it kind of resets the universe to something familiar after the craziness at the end of Empire also it introduces that critical ambiguity about Luke going bad and I mean they needed to address that thread of Han in Carbonite that Empire just left dangling and I should probably stop.
Damn, that part about assuming so much is an eye opener for me. I also enjoy reading these kinds of structure based revisions, while I have totally disregarded my underlining assumptions. And I should know this, because I have seen plenty of fanedits of the star wars prequels that have amazing descriptions about how their changes elevate the story, yet the films still feel incredibly boring, confusing, and also nothing can change the stilted acting
I understand your take on this, but I think the nuanced take on revolution and the undermining of the first movie in Reloaded was exactly what they were going for, and why I think these sequels are important to the story. It's saying you can't have your cake and eat it too when it comes to using art to promote subversiveness and revolution. If an anti-establishment work created in a system dependent on capital and maintaining a status quo ends up becoming the hottest, trendiest thing in said establishment, can you really call it subversive at all? The first movie ends with Neo's monologue that ultimately boils down to "Watch out, "the man" we're coming for you. Viva la revolution!" and playing Rage Against the Machine, but the second movie reveals that that moment was ultimately hollow and superficial and like in real life, it doesn't promote subversiveness or revolution in a way that's actually tangible or productive. The way the term, "redpill" has been coopted is an unfortunate example of this. It's a philosophy that claims to represent being skeptical and questioning "the system", but the people who spout its virtues are going after the people who are actively trying to fight against said system. Yes, the themes of the Matrix are graspable and it makes people more conscious of "the system", but it doesn't actually give them the tools to change the way they interact with said system. It's "we live in a society" two decades before it before we realized it was an ironic joke.
As a Matrix fanboy who has watched every film, the animatrix and played all the games including MxO, this was fucking amazing. I wish we could have it re made now with the same cast 🤣🤣🤣
I'm with you on everything except for "Neo walks to the machine city" part. They are miles underground and that's a hundred mile walk to the city through the desert of the real (in Revolutions they flew at top speed for quite a while to get there, which would take days / weeks on foot). I guess you could have Trinity drop Neo off near the surface and retcon the machine city to be directly over Zion (which could be plausible since it would let them keep a close eye on the humans and make their repetitive invasions much simpler). Or have Neo tame and ride a sentinel there or something. He'd need a ship otherwise since he can only fly in the Matrix. Anyway, that was my only criticism, that was brilliant overall!
Also, their ability to breathe outside of the hovercrafts is never explained. The atmosphere is supposed to be an apocalyptic nuclear winter hellhole in which every living form has gone extinct, so there shouldn't be oxygen in the underground tunnels (Except for Zion, which is revealed in Reloaded to possess machinery capable of generating an atmosphere), and especially not on the surface.
@@rafaellago172 bro that’s a great point omg I never noticed that. It’s minor but important things like that that can mess up the entire continuity of a world. Which in turn will cause a domino effect of “Plot Holes”
That epilogue... I wish more sequels could be like the matrix sequels. Even if they are flawed, I love the big ideas and I appreciate them more now then when I was younger.
"I'd watch 'em." More importantly I'd *rewatch* them. I can't remember the last time I sat through either of the sequels. When they came out I thought, wow, these were really ambitious and had some good elements but what the hell, they just did not deliver overall. I'm amazed at what you did here. You salvaged so much of the source material for a truly compelling story with huge rewatch value.
I really like opening with Osiris, having Neo lose to old programs, and ending with Morpheus. I'm in the apparent minority that likes the Matrix sequels, but those choices sound great to me.
🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯 After watching this video: *shaking my fist at the Hollywood WB Studios water tower* "I DEMAND that Patrick (H) Willems directs/co-writes The Matrix R3bo0+ or we will pillage the studio!!!!" 🔥🔥😈🔥🔥 😍Well done sir😍
When I saw The Matrix Reloaded and Revolutions at the cinema I was a bit disappointed. But over the years after multiple rewatches I almost prefer them to the original, mostly because of the imbedded lore and the density of them. With that said I would love to see your versions of them realized.
Watxhing again in 2020 and hearing Sage say that "the ruling class allowed the act of rebelion but controlling were it becomes something superficial without chaning the class structure" .. it hits different now
One thing: I like the screens in Reloaded because, if you notice, they are all Neo reacting differently (Each one from a different iteration of the Matrix) this reinforces the fact that it has been reloaded many times and Neo has existed in each iteration.
I've been waiting my whole life for this video
Your channel should actually be called "Just Edit" because I'm sitting on a TON of scripts but it takes FOREVER to actually edit them
Yours were my favorite parts of this video.
same
Just Write I’ve just wrote basically the same thing....
You should watch the "Really that good" video on the matrix by the channel moviebob. It's a long form video analysing why the first matrix is such a great all time classic film. It's one of the best things on RUclips. Fans of either this Patrick or Bob would enjoy the other channel, they're similar in a lot of ways
☼ Fixing a film trilogy, while respecting the original creators intent: this is a really incredible entry man.
Good one.
Somewhere, there is a mad scientist cutting together the Matrix Sequels using this outline.
Well I'm not sure if Patrick's suggestions improved the movie but it was interesting to watch him grapple with the problems.
Patrick (or that mad scientist) could easily use Deepfake tech to actually make these and we wouldn't be able to tell the difference from the real thing!
Well, then someone get a lawyer/agent for Patrick and 🔒lock that shit down with a copyright/trademark🗝✊🏼
He sails on pirate bay
or at least an animatrix version of it. i'm sure there are enough artists who would volunteer their free time to make it happen.
"We're keeping the rave scene"
Absolute madman.
it's a great placement of it actually.
A lot of the problem of the scene is it feels disconnected. The sex feels a lot more like 70's porn than a cry for life. The party (and people we care about) is as rebellious as Morpheus said. Moving it and giving it more impact changes it completely.
please no shots of dirty feet tho
Even as a kid I loved that scene lol got me into techno music.
Just imagining the trilogy end with Morpheus saying “because I believed.” had me tearing up.
good to know i wasn't the only one.
That would've made me cry too.
I need to see a recut version of this
*Patrick, standing in front of a green screen
"What if the Matrix sequels were good, like really good?"
wow this took me back
lol for years I thought they were the same person
something about the voice
What a belated comment to write....
They have the exact same voice.
Ah, yes. Good videos. A shame BM doesn’t regularly upload.
Keanu really is a trending topic this week. Keep seeing him everywhere.
*green light everywhere *
... wait.
oh, hang on.. is he the one copy/replacing himself on other people everywhere? damn..
Still waiting on bill and Ted 3
You see green light? You're the one.
Trending this century
Agent Keanu Smith?
I’m still trying to figure out where Trinity pulled two uzis from on her skin tight leather outfit before jumping out the window in reloaded
Woah man didn’t expect you here!
You know where they came from
The same place the writers did: Out of her arse.
b/c she chose to
um.. because it looks fucking awesome?
"they are here to live deliciously"
I see that The VVitch has made a big impact on you too
I unapologetically adore all of The Matrix movies, but this is a great reimagining.
You know ,i just rewatched all the móvies and the animatrix, and for all their flaws i am glad that they exist. Yes the wachowski's got a little too arrogant but, what Is the point of big extravagant epic imaginative blockbusters if you're not even triying?
@@lamecasuelas2 then matrix 4 was released.
@@matthewhewitt4145 i actually liked Resurrections, call me a fanboy or that I have a soft spot or whatever i don't care
The first thought I had when he cut into that steak was, "Well done? Really?"
And it was effing INTENTIONAL. Brilliant.
That thing was far beyond well done, looked more like a crisp than a stake :P
Simon Sjöström-grönkvist never happen in a French restaurant
Dude, I got so offended when he cut into that steak and then he held up his fork and I was like, “You brilliant SOB!”
That's over cooked.
9:12 "We are keeping the RAVE scene...deal with it" ...that's when I knew we were in for some real gold.
Haha then he bails and makes it shorter! :p
this man understands high art
The Will Ferrell screaming "Ergo" & "Vis-à-vis" was a perfect touch!
CONCORDANTLY
Him as the architect is pretty good
loved that little easter egg!
i watched that sketch on the DVD all the time as a kid lmao
Wet... Willy.... Mr Anderson!
My main issue with these versions is Trinity dying while away from Neo. Her death is really impactful with Neo there.
I agree. And you can easily resolve this issue even in the rewrite version by having Trinity accompany Neo and before they reach the Source, she sacrifies herself when they are being chased down by sentinels.
The video is sorely underestimating the important of Trinity and the romance as a whole. Shes kinda wholy written out. Which is ultra fitting since Matrix 4 had a whole montage kinda about that lol
I think it's just sort of glossed over in this. A lot of details are. You can just assume they're still there. But I actually think this version he presents here is pretty awesome. I mean... Trinity went into the Matrix to make sure Neo made it through the Door of Light. He asked her not to go, and she does what she knows she must, because she's WILLING to die for him. In the third movie, she dies... just because. There was no purpose to it. She made no great sacrifice, and her existence was solely to just be Neo's lover... which is in it's own way really shallow. "We just need our hero to have a woman." It sort of comes off as that. The idea that, in the Docks, as the first Driller gets taken out, she prepares one last rocket to fire at the second Driller, and as she takes aim, she sees a Sentinel swooping down toward her, and she would whisper, "Neo... If all I can do is give you time - our time together, time to save us all, I'll give all I can afford." She fires the rocket. The second Driller explodes. The Sentinel impales her. The Drillers are now down until the Sentinels repair them, and she's bought Neo that bit of extra time he needs to reach The Machine City.
You can assume I rather liked the idea of this rewrite... I know it's not perfect, I know it's going to have stuff like this that people find unsatisfying, but I still think it's better than "and then she died when they got to the city I guess."
With Neo having a connection with the machines' network, i think he could keep a frequent mental tab on her. Would be heartbreaking for him to see her death through the lens of a machine, and perhaps Trin can imagine this as she speaks out to Neo as she's dying.
Neo may feel Trinity's death. They are connected. This kind of connection may be established throughout the sequels so that it doesn't feel as coming from nowhere
"The train station, it just doesn't go anywhere". Yeah... exactly. Nailed it.
Thank you for including audio of the brilliant Will Farrell/Justin Timberlake Matrix parody from the MTV Movie Awards.
*Ergo!*
*Vis-a-vi!*
*Concordantly!*
"Hey Morpheus! What can we expect at this orgy?"
*_"MACHINES!!!"_*
"You do not wanna see me get out of this chair, mister! Ergo, open your yapper one more time and I'm going to architect a world of pain all over your candy ass!"
Ahh the early 2000s how i miss you
Oh my god, I can't imagine having gone through all this. Good shit, as always.
I really liked it all, but I think instead of the Merovingian having old programmes that take down Neo, it would be cool if they were former 'Ones'.
I've always had this dream of Neo fighting earlier versions of the Ones, and I think it would be more believable if it was them that beat him.
I always had a theory that The Merovingian himself was a former One who had retired and set himself up in The Matrix.
....Huh.
I hope Lana Wachowski watches this before she finalizes the script for Matrix 4.
Matrix: Rebooted (But it's another sequel, not a reboot) BWOOOOOM
Why??? Do you really think she needs advice from anyone who didn’t already write the Matrix lore?
@@Rubberbandfan1 yes, I don't think you have to have written the Matrix lore to how a valid opinion on how it continues and what the many pitfalls of the sequels were. Most of the best Star Wars stuff isn't written by George Lucas.
@@Bobbypinker I meant all the Matrix lore, even the Animatrix, which was written by multiple people. The point is that all three of the movies were perfect in that they told a complete, well-written, imaginative story, and they were damned entertaining all throughout. The “problems” that I have heard from critics of the Matrix sequels are mostly due to a misunderstanding of the philosophy, plot-structure, and the era in which the films were made. The sequels definitely don’t need to be rewritten, especially by someone who admits that the directors are better writers than he is.
@@Rubberbandfan1 You're entitled to that opinion. I don't share your opinion. I think the original Matrix is a perfect movie, and the sequels are so-so and very flawed. Telling a complete, well-written story doesn't make it perfect. Lots and lots of movies do that and aren't that great.
An aspect of The Matrix that saddens me in its omission in this video is the trans allegory. Lana Wachowski has gone on record that the subway scene in the first movie ("That is the sound of inevitability") was inspired by a moment of suicidal ideation she was suffering during a bout of gender dysphoria at a subway. The way Morpheus describes the Matrix in the first movie, as a prison you can't see or taste or touch but you know is there because something about the world feels *wrong*, can be likened to someone just before they realize they are trans trying to make sense of why the world doesn't fit. Much of the first movie is about conformity and identity, see how Agent Smith insists on calling Neo "Mister Anderson", akin to deadnaming him. Most importantly: already by the first movie, Agent Smith reveals to Morpheus that he *hates* the Matrix and he himself feels imprisoned by it. The same way a "gender essentialist" society restricts and oppresses gender-nonconforming individuals, it *also* oppresses *gender-conforming* individuals by virtue of forcing them to live under a role with a predescribed identity. There is also subtext where Smith's actions can be read as a self-hating Trans/queer individual who is willingly working with the system in the hopes that just marching in tune will make things make sense *eventually*, and if not then he can at least enjoy the benefits of being favored by the oppressing class (being "one of the good ones", in other words). Also, there's Switch. Switch was supposed to be a man in the real world but present as a woman in the Matrix.
When you factor that in, Smith becomes a way more important character. Smith's scenes when they acquire a human body in the real world can be likened to a self-hating trans individual experiencing moments of gender euphoria. Where Smith goes on a self-hating rampage of wanting to destroy the Matrix, machines and humanity alike, Neo stands ready to oppose him. Neo has already transitioned. He knows the Matrix/gender is just a construct and it imprisons the oppressor and the oppressed alike, and that the path forward is through unity, healing and both mutual- and self-acceptance.
Also, the Blue pill is HRT.
In that light, a really easy way to keep Smith in the film is to further explore how much Smith resents Neo and Humanity but at the same time is VIOLENTLY desperate to have what they have--and yet he hates himself because all his life, all he's known had taught him that that was wrong. So now that he knows the truth he doesn't know how to reconcile any of it.
Not trans but wouldn't it make more sense for the Red one to be HRT?
@@FusionFullForce Correct, the red pill makes the most sense as HRT. The story goes that estradiol pills were red back in the day, though I wasn't around then to know that first-hand.
Funny enough, estradiol pills are typically a blue-green sorta color nowadays.
I am a simple community college student, I hear someone say "cool, cool, cool", I give a like.
🎶Troy and Ahbed in the MorNing🎶
No doubt no doubt
Odd response, but cool cool
Donde...esta...la biblio...techa
I miss Community so much, man.
In defense of the Jabba's Palace scene from RotJ I think it's a way of establishing how far Luke had come since the end of Empire. He wears black, he can do Obi Wan's mind tricks now, he's a much more confident and competent character and that adventure is a way to demonstrate all those things without throwing us straight into the moon of Endor.
KaiCrafted yeah. It’s a nice kind of inversion of the hero’s journey, since he completes his task - free Han - and “gets the girl” (yeah his sister ok). Point being we have him doing all this stuff that looks like the climax of a hero’s story. Which is a nice juxtaposition to the Throne Room, where we’d then expect him to deploy all his powers, and instead the throne room battle becomes about him surrendering himself, rather than overpowering.
Also it reintroduces the status quo after the craziness at the end of Empire. Everything is in flux, we don't know what's happened to everyone, so it's great to see how Leia, Lando, Chewie, the droids, and Luke have all ended up and see them over the course of the mission reintroduce themselves, reunite, and reassert their heroic stature after getting emotionally shattered at the end of the last movie. From a plot perspective, yeah it's kind of redundant, but from a character and tone perspective it's aces!
Agreed, I just wish it was better integrated with the rest of the story.
@@derekpederson1952 I like that Jabba's Palace was wholly unrelated to the Empire vs Rebellion war. It was a fun change of pace. It made the Galaxy feel like a real place, where more than just one thing was happening. The whole thread of Han Solo's character was that he was an outsider in this conflict. So it is only natural that the movies would have to deal with that. It isn't like how The Last Jedi throws in that random casino planet or the pointless scene in The Force Awakens when Rey and Finn get attacked by the pirates who have nothing to do with anything
It's kinda ruined by the fact that Luke's plan is so sloppy and ill-planned, though. Getting tricked by Jabba, getting captured, succeeding by the skin of his teeth even though he had an infinite amount of time to plan, etc... It makes Luke look like he DIDN'T learn anything in ESB.
I just think Trinity dying in three is so frustrating because of how she was saved in such a big way in number two.
Yes!
Neo literally duex ex machina's her like 3 times. Her death is still upsetting. Knowing I'd never see her when the matrix online started made it super hard to care about the matrix any more. Even Morpheus started blowing shit up. Online had a persistent sad feeling to it. It had a whole over world story, it was like a funeral.
Trinity could never die in the Matrix because Neo loves her and he is a god there. She died in the real world, doing for her man what he could no longer do. That's what people don't get with the sequels : the Wachowski's wanted to tell a different story than the old power trip where the hero gets the girl and everything ends up fine even though a half dozen people they knew died horribly. If the only thing you get from Matrix is that Neo is the hero and he always saves the day you clearly missed the incredibly dark and gritty undertones of the whole movie. Yes what they set themselves up to do in the sequels could have been done better with more writing time, but the scope and the intent of the story would not have been different. Trinity and Neo would never have survived. Because everything as a price and saving humanity losing only 2 lives isn't really high.
@@FD-io4pk Matrix Revolutions is the Rise of Skywalker of its day
@@mr.shyryhud1659 I disagree, at least the serendipity in Revolutions fit the story and actually make it work, in ROS it's just lazy writing. I understand the critics and the movie is far from perfect but it fits the themes and message of the story, whereas there's none of that in the Disneylogy.
Great vid! That’s so awesome you put the end of path of neo in here. I worked on that game and designed the dream lobby intro game difficulty level, the 3 Anderson beats, all training missions, dojo fight, and the 3 rescue Morpheus beats - lobby, rooftop, and helicopter rescue. I’ll never forget the day when we received the high-level story script from the Wachowski siblings. I kid you not it was virtually one run-on sentence spanning multiple pages. Ah, the good ol’ days.
Oh my god, I was avoiding this video for a long time because even though the sequels weren't good, they still have a special place in my heart. I didn't want to hear you remove the scenes that I liked. But GODDAMN. You are a genius. This is amazing. You just earned a new subscriber!!!
They aren't as perfect as the first film, but they ARE good, still far above the average blockbuster.
"...I am in no way saying I could have written better versions of these movies, or I'm fixing their work."
Thank you for that, because the opposite is way more prevalent on youtube.
Yet he goes ahead and says there are problems and can he fix them... I mean come on. We can like directors and creators and still say they made stinkers that should be fixed and someone could probably do better. In fact often the people who can contribute to making things better through collaboration needn't be able to do everything themselves. That's explicit in many works where a director's work has been improved by the contributions of others who may not be whole filmmakers themselves.
He kinda is saying that by creating this video in the first place.
@@BollocksUtwat what's your point?
@@cheasgsyu2465 That the statement is contradictory and needlessly apologetic.
I love that you put Larry screaming in the background "Ergo, Vis-a-vis, Concordantly !!" hahahahahaha
Yeah what Up g u can't handle it
You do *NOT* want to see me get out of this chair! Ergo open your yapper one more time and I'm gonna... architect a world of pain all over your candy ass!
Irony... playing RATM song will get you copyright strike...
btw someone should remade or re-cut matrix reloaded/revelations to that script
Rage's record label is Epic, who are owned by Sony...
The song has history. He in the UK a grassroots campaign made the song a xmas no1 to defy Simon Cowell and his show X Factor. In the end it all just goes to Sony.
content.time.com/time/arts/article/0,8599,1949249,00.html
@@gedbyrne8482 Like they say in the video, the best way to control a revolution is to subvert and appropriate it. Which isn't to say that RATM don't have revolutionary cred, but they definitely made a decision to allow Sony to profit from their rhetoric when they signed to Epic.
I was at a screening of Sorry to Bother You which had a Q&A with Boots Reilly and I asked him about this sort of thing at the end, citing the scene in which one of the culturejammed Worryfree posters is displayed at Steve Lift's party. He mentioned that he's in a band with Tom Morello, Prophets of Rage, and when recording one time Morello told him a story about the filming of the RATM video for Sleep now in the Fire. If you don't know it, they set up a stage on Wall Street and shot a video of them playing the song live, without a permit, with the express intention of provoking a reaction from the cops.
So they play the song through, no cops. They play through again, no cops. But this time there's a noise in the background, like a rumbling. it gets louder and louder. Adn then a ton of guys in business gear come around the corner, chanting SUITS FOR RAGE, SUITS FOR RAGE. Which is interesting to see how the relationship can be symbiotic.
And I guess, I'm an anarchist, typing this on my work laptop - as I work in a massive medical equipment manufacturer.
@@gedbyrne8482 Even your rebellion is part of the system.
I love that you inserted Will Ferrell's performance for the 2004 MTV Movie Awards.
I love how this still fits with the fan theory that Smith is actually the One. Definitely agree these would have been tighter, clearer, and better paced than the original sequels.
Smith and Neo are caninically the same. Smith is Neos shadow. The machine equivolent to balance the equation. Thats also why they gain power equally and their final fight is just two equal forces ramming into each other.
Patrick............. You're *_Breathtaking_*
He did a really great job,
and I'm only 40 min in, how the Merovingian should challenge the Oracle, both "consulting" on the prior Matrices.
No, your breathtaking!
To me, at least, this ARE the definitive versions of the Matrix Trilogy. Cooked with tons of love, indeed!
PATRICK PLEASE BECOME A FILMMAKER AND MAKE GOOD BLOCKBUSTERS
I’m pretty sure he wouldn’t turn down the opportunity if asked. It’s the studios you need to be begging to ask him.
What do you think of his Matrix ideas
NO! PLEASE FUCK NO!
Yesssssssss!
ERGO!!! VIS A VIS!!! CONCORDANTLY!!!! I fell out of my chair in laugh spasms over this😂🤣😆
Hugo Weaving hamming it up. I can live with that.
Patrick: What is the purpose of Agent Smith?
Agent Smith: "It is purpose that created us, purpose that connects us, purpose that pulls us, that guides us, that drives us, it is purpose that defines, purpose that binds us"....
So meaningless drivel.
@@feldon27 Moreso on the meaningless since Smith no longer has "purpose"
I like Reloaded and Revolutions quite a bit, but it's a shame that they don't reach the same heights as the Matrix. I blame the studios and shareholders pressuring the Wachowskis and the cast and crew far too much.
I'm still in the camp that this didn't need to be a trilogy at all, and The Matrix is best as a singular will. But Patrick's constructive suggestions for restructuring the sequels all sound like they would be improvements
I think Reloaded and Revolutions should've just been one movie
How did they pressure them? Reloaded came 4 years after The Matrix
I think Wachowskis had nearly no pressure and the movies ended up just like they wanted. The problem was that they couldn't really figure out what to do with unlimited budget. Having some limits for the implementation forces you to come up with creative solutions, unlimited budget allows you to skip thinking about alternative solutions and I think that was what happened there.
@@MikkoRantalainen nah they had to come up with plenty of creative solutions to do all sorts of cutting edge shit they had going on in those movies. Unlimited budget doesnt mean it was "easy" for anyone working on it
Also make the humans a source of computational power instead of electrical power.
OMG, yes. All it would take is Morpheus holding up a CPU chip instead of a damn battery and explaining that the machines were about to extinct us until they realized they could use our non-digital, non-linear intelligence (think of us as organic GPUs to their CPUs) to solve problems they couldn't but found they needed to provide a Matrix to keep us sane.
Also, at some point in the sequels I was convinced that we'd find out that the REAL reason the machines needed us and were rebooting the matrix to re-cultivate Neo was that they face an existential crisis from the threat of a Singularity at the edge of our solar system that was coming to inevitably absorb them. Neo and his disciples would be the immune system against their irrelevance and annihilation. Queue sequel...
@@jones1618 It was the The Wachowskis original version of the film but the studio made them change it because they they thought that the audience wouldn't understand what computational power is.
I would definitely watch those sequels. Great job, man.
When Patrick suddenly brought up "the eyes of the Oracle" (@27:20), I was like: "huh, a new McGuffin?..." and then he cuts to the Merowingian ACTUALLY saying that... I was super dumbfounded. I had no idea this was in the movie (and I watched the all plenty).
Which really just goes to show HOW convoluted the dialogue in that movie is, it's so hard to keep track of it all. 😆
Patrick where did you get that Keanu Whoa shirt? I want it bad!
yeah, thats a pretty cool shirt. couldnt find it online
It's from the artist Jason Latour. It's currently sold out, but he's brought it back before. Here's the link if you wanna keep an eye on it: roguescreenprint.bigcartel.com/product/whoa-jason-latour-2nd-printing
More Monica Bellucci is always the correct answer.
FACT
Pat H shoot em up
Two scoops of that please!
Was she even in Revolutions?
@@theplourde for the hottest of seconds.
VIS A VIS
We need a new video for the major disappointment Matrix Resurrections turned out to be.
First of all, I love this, thank you Patrick. Second of all, I feel like you missed a possible tie in. You have Neo spend time in the train station (the bridge between life and death/afterlife for programs), and decide to live and use his powers to break it open so he can return to the Matrix. That's your in for Smith returning, he would have had to follow that same path through the train station to return to the source, but as he's doing so, he sees the hole Neo broke in the wall that leads back to the Matrix and follows it, so Neo's choice to live had the unintended consequence of giving Smith a way back as well, instead of just mysteriously reappearing.
Anyways some day when we can generate entire films using complex machine learning, we'll make your version of the movies real, just give it a few decades.
Damn... That _was_ really good.
And the pieces were mostly there. Fuck, man... I wanna watch this now.
YES, A MILLION TIMES YES! I finally watched this video and immediately wish/hope the version he describes exists.
Causality french accent approved by a french viewer
Keep going Patrick, doing great
I've never been able to get a good read on Patrick as a person. I respect his opinons, and even when I have disagreed with him I see where he is coming from His explanations are awesome. However, if I knew him as a genuine person in the real world I can't decide if he'd be super cool and we'd bros over nerd culture or if he'd drive me batty. It'd certainly be one of those two extremes. Patrick is an enigma to me.
You can't ever know somebody from their RUclips videos. They're all playing a character when on screen, even if it's meant to be themselves. It's scripted and acted even though it's non fiction.
Jabba's place shows how Luke has grown in power, and how well the full team works together. It's part of the story emotionally cause we needed to seem them all together one last time,
I love the fast drumming in the transitions
18:47
Okay Patrick. You've sold me the idea. Now if only someone can edit the existing sequels with deepfakes so we can get these movies!
Oh my God...
It... Might happen actually one day
That... That would be unbelievable...
Woah
@@gevanlappido1304 Yes...I Believe!!
CGI is getting better and better every year, I could totally see someone re-editing these movies and for the missing scenes use CGI. The tricky part would be the voices.
@@HarmonicWave Deepfake voices are also a thing. Someday this will happen and I will watch them.
@@HarmonicWave There's a sci-fi series of books called the Fractured Europe Trilogy, set twenty years from now, in which this is a thing. Like, it's a nerdy cottage industry.
This was an amazing video. I demand this be a regular series! I would totally support the "Willems Cut"
I'm so glad that we're finally getting critical appraisals of the sequels that aren't just flippant dismissal. This was really fantastic and does underline just how much the existing materiel of the films could work better with a bit of restructuring.
One detail that always kind of bugs me when people talk about the sequels, though, is when the topic of the Source comes up. I feel like people tend to either oversimplify what it is or make blanket analogies for what it represents. Like, your interpretation of it as "machine heaven" is perfectly valid, because the Wachowskis play kind of fast and loose with actually explaining what the source is (which I think it by design). You also make a point that it's a part of the Matrix, which I don't think is supported by the film, since the Oracle and Rama Chandra make a point in explaining that the "machine world" and the Matrix are separate places, and that's why Rama's family has to be smuggled from the machine world to the Matrix, to escape it's influence and control. That's also why the Merovingian is in the Matrix, to escape with his cohorts from being deleted after becoming obsolete following the failure of the second Matrix. As Rama says "if you want to bring something from our world (the machine world) to your world, you must speak with the Frenchman." That separateness is also why the machines aren't able to just reboot delete Smith on a whim. The machine world, on the other hand, would then probably be the domain of the Source, which to me sort of symbolizes the concept of God.
Not necessarily the personified Judeo-Christian kind of God either, mind you (that'd probably be the Architect). Like, I get where the knee jerk "this is a Christ alegory" comes from since there is Christian imagery and concepts mixed in there, but I doubt they'd settle for just one religious influence. To me the Source feels more like a Hinduish, Bhramanistic sort of God, and I think that's supported by when Neo starts to see the golden light. The Wachowskis have gone on record as saying that the golden light that Neo sees is the key to understanding Revolutions. The gold light, to me, is used to symbolize a being that originated from the Source. After all, as Morpheus says in the first film, all programs and machines were said to be born from a "singular consciousness" that then spread, so each being that spawns from the Source is also a part of it, and that's what the light is. We see it in Seraph, whose a program from the machine city. Notice we never get "Neovision" of any other programs from the machine world in the Matrix after that initial encounter. I'd wager they'd appear gold to Neo as well as his powers developed more and more. The light that fills the machine city, that's blinding once Neo reaches it's core, is the same as the one that appears in every machine. They are separate, but the same. In that sense, maybe a program going back to the Source to get "deleted" isn't so much dying and going to machine heaven, but returning to the "Source" of their very existence to rejoin it, essentially the "death" of their singular existence.
I think all this this ties in a lot with what happens to Neo at the end when he "dies." Neo merges with Smith, and I think it's safe to assume Neo is plugged into the Source and if we take what I mentioned before we can safely assume that's what's surging through him as he and the Smiths he's connected to are "deleted." I think in that moment his consciousness is joining with the Source, and Smith's is too since he was tricked into inadvertently connecting himself to the Source -- exactly where he didn't want to go. As you pointed out, he's a being of ego, and if joining the Source is what happens on "deletion" that's straight up ego death right there. Not exactly sure what the mechanics of that are (I wish the Wackowskis elaborated just a little bit on how Neo's connection with the Source works, both the connection itself and how he does it wirelessly early on). My best guess is it has something to do with Neo's innate connection to it from being "the One" and the fact that Neo took the full blast of Smith's last "deletion." We see when Neo's body being carted away the light emanating off of him looks distinctly like a lotus flower, which as I understand, in Hinduism, symbolizes when a human is at it's highest state of being in -- in this case exhibited in the merging of machine consciousness with human consciousness. The Wachowskis have mentioned somewhere that what happens to Neo is the "delimiting of his consciousness." Beats me what it means in the specifics, but I do feel like it has to do with the Oracle's Ultimate goal, which is the reconciliation of man and machine beyond just a tenuous military truce, which is tied to Neo's fate as well as Sati's. As she said, she knows the future "and the only way we get there is together."
I dunno, this all may sound a bit splurgy, vague, and overcomplicated, but I so rarely get to talk with folks about the sequels so I kind of feel I need to be a bit splurgy.
this just blew open my mind
Good explanation on Neo's connection to the source. I agree though, would've been nice to have SOME hint as to how Neo is connected to it, but I guess if some aspect of Neo's psyche was programmed by the machines, and all machines are programmed by the source, then the source programmed Neo...?
They introduce the source in Reloaded, so Revolutions should've focused on explaining the source and it's significance in the world. I mean they do explain aspects of it, sure, but it's all far too cryptic. I like mysterious stories and all, but Revolutions is good argument for why you shouldn't start raising more questions right before your big action saga is about to end.
With long comments like yours, they're either really well-written arguments, or psycho rambling. Usually it's the latter. Happy to find the former.
Well said, Skybox Media :)
I feel like that's a lot of the reason discussion about the sequels is so rare. There's so many interpretations and potential meanings coupled with religious imagery that they tend to attract the kind of folks prone to spewing pseudo-profound, word salad rambling, which turns a lot of people off (myself included).
Skybox Media wow that's some exposition
Great job my dude. Cohesive, and most importantly (at the very least) satisfying.
Now, you need to go over Game of Thrones, Seasons 7 and 8, and re-write those with the existing content.
Crazy idea: maybe Zion isn't a fixed city, it's a city-sized hover-ship that is constantly on the move. The critical bits they have to defend are things like the engines, maybe it has its own drill to bore new tunnels, etc.
Patrick, your video might not be perfect, but it was made with love, thank you!
*Slow clap- the good kind *
I was on the edge of my seat when you were explaining your final drafts saying “Yes, yes....yessssss”
absolutely LOVE that you featured Sage from "Just Write"! so, so cool!
Had to go and watch. ... this is my teenhood
The sequels are good, and have aged tremendously well. The secret is to stop comparing it to part 1. Sure, it's a tighter film with a more straight forward narrative.
HEY, VSAUCE! Patrick here
I was just thinking he reminds me of Michael and I seen your comment🤣
Kinda related but I've imagined Neo seeing the Matrix for what it is and being able to break physics as the same way a speedrunner knows how to exploit the glitches in a game to fly around the map.
The train station does serve a purpose. Thats where neo meets the little girl and figures out not all machine programs are evil
And Sati gives the Oracle the clue that lets her understand her decision to surrender to Smith, which in turn allows the Oracle to give Neo the hint he needs in order to understand what he needs to do to defeat Smith - something at risk of being lost in this rewrite by having the burly brawl taking place at the same time as the Oracle being taken.
Patrick be like:
"What if I told you the Matrix sequels could be good, like really good?"
Frosty14748 shoutout to belated media
This is seriously one of my FAVORITE videos you've done! It's just an excellent deconstruction, analysis, and re-construction of these films. I also have not seen the sequels in their entirety in over decade. Revolutions I haven't seen much of since the theatre. I catch Reloaded on cable on a rare occasion, and it still has an appeal to me despite being baggy and long-winded. With the fourth movie announced, I look forward to further reactions and analysis on this franchise in years to come!
I'm furious this movie doesn't actually exist. Wow.
Hi Patrick, Great video. Just a few things that I would change:
In Reloaded: Rewrite, you said that Trinity and Morpheus escape the highway scene on their own, I think that undercuts the rule that "No one survive the highway in the Matrix". they would need divine intervention (Neo) to escape. I would have Neo exit the train station and get back to the real world as per your rewrite, intercut with the highway sequence, and finding out from Link that he team mates are in danger, which is a call back to first Matrix where Neo is resolve to save Morpheus, and he does in this movie as per the original sequence.
In Reloaded, I would also keep the Bane character, but with a different actor. Throughout Reloaded, Bane would be the one person that keeps acting strange around Neo as if he has a grudge against Neo. Keep the scene where he tries to murder Neo before the big mission (Power Plant/Architect mission). No explanation needed for Bane in this movie.
In the Prologue of Revolution: Rewrite, after your scene explaining the Return of Smith, add in that original scene of Smith taking over Bane from Reloaded here, and this now provides context for Bane and the eventual blinding of Neo.
I quite like Revolution, but in my opinion, the biggest flaw for that movie is the editing of the two big set pieces. I would intercut the battle of Zion (geography of Zion needs to be shown in Reloaded, which the original tried but didn't show much that is significant to this battle), with the Journey to the machine city/confrontation with Bane. Culminating to the Retreat of Zion Soldier (Blow up the Bridge) and the death of Trinity. Then the rest of the movie play out as is.
My reason to include Bane is to keep the stake of Smith high in the real world. Plus blind Neo is such a cool look, it harken to old manga trope (from which Matrix draw a lot of its inspiration).
Other than the above, well done on your video.
I'm curious about what you think a better version of Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow would be like
Oh wow...
"I wish this steak was juicy and delicious. Instead, it's over-coocked, pretty chewey and defenitley over-seasoned. But it was made with love. And hey, it's still steak."
I'm gonna keep that quote for the time being.
I liked how you remixed elements of Revolutions into Reloaded and vice versa, kinda fits considering both films are kind of two halves of one larger followup story. There were just a few things that stood out to me about the rewrites that brought them down from the goal you were shooting for:
- The rework of Neo dying at the hands of the Merovingian's goons feels pretty weak and more of just a work around for "How do we have compelling and dramatic action scenes when Kung-Fu Jesus is around?" With the transplanted train station sequence, you've basically reiterated his progression in the last act of the first movie, with Neo dying, coming back understanding the fundamental nature of the Matrix's "unreality" by giving up/taking away the reality of his mortality, attaining godhood and becoming unstoppable, only this time it was for a slightly different OS? Again, feels kinda weak. I think the idea of crafting fight scenes around story points, like your rework of the Burly Brawl not being to defeat the Smiths but to protect the Oracle, is a much neater solution to the Kung-Fu Jesus problem.
- The idea of Neo deciding to save humanity "as a man" or "as a god" feels like a pretty flimsy internal development for him to make compared to the first movies straightforward "know thyself" arc, because in the end the choice is still the same, he gives up his life either way, the result doesn't change. I'm not saying it couldn't work, but I am saying that I think it would feel less urgent and resonant. I would just stick with "I want to live a quiet life with Trinity but being a God for humanity means giving that up" as his development (unless that's what you meant in which case alright we're good there.)
- Just gonna talk about the elephant in the room with this one, Neo having Matrix powers in the Real World is a sticking point with fans for a reason and needs to be addressed/removed. Even if the idea of Neo having a wireless connection with the machines is sound and is explained internally, it just feels too much like magic and needlessly undoes previously established concepts. A quick and dirty rule that tends to crop up when talking about The Matrix sequels is that the ratio of time in the Matrix vs. Real World flips as the series goes on and that flip in ratio corresponds to the generally agreed upon decrease in quality, and I think it would do well to keep that in mind here. Why not have Neo go to Machine City inside the Matrix? Have Trinity fly him around in the Logos avoiding the Sentinels while he's jacked in and he uses a backdoor, or exploits an opening created by the Smith's wreaking havoc, or just does it because he's The One, she dies just as he makes his deal with the Machines and gets his shot at stopping Smith, cue the rest of the movie. It honestly makes sense that a bunch of machines would store their intelligence inside giant servers where they can be and do whatever they want instead of limiting themselves to physical platforms all the time in an actual city with buildings and walkways and stuff.
Ultimately the problem I have with this (very well-made, thoughtful, intelligent, and entertaining) video and other videos like this is that they are inevitably very structure-focused, when oftentimes what makes or breaks a movie goes so, so much deeper than just the events of the plot. It assumes (fairly, it's hard to influence things that are totally out of your control, but nevertheless) that The Architect's performance will be delivered in a non-stilted, more interesting and engaging, less pedantic manner so that what he's saying can go over better with the audience, that the action scenes in the Battle for Zion won't just devolve into a sludge of motion-blurred CGI and people shooting into the sky screaming "AARGGH!" It assumes that people will care about characters like Lock, Nairobi, Kid, Ghost, Seraph, The Keymaker, etc. because they will be presumably be written with better roles. It assumes so much more about this story will be taken care of once all the pieces have been shuffled into a better order, stuff that really can't be taken for granted. Even my little suggested fixes fall into this same problem and go to show how we as viewers tend to consider movies in contrast to people more in the know about the process, which you obviously are, I just wanted to reiterate to emphasize how much more is involved in "rewriting/remaking" already existing movies to try and do something different with them.
Look, the Matrix sequels are perfect examples of movies that ultimately didn't need to exist and, if we're talking about good movies instead of just about "interesting" ones (which they certainly are, they are fascinating to think about and study), the first movie would probably have been better off with them not existing. They needlessly add in new characters and lore and features to dramatically expand the world (see also the Pirates of the Caribbean franchise for a bad example of this "franchise starts at movie 2" problem) which only serve as bloat, and the underlying message about the conflict between free will vs. determinism and the nuanced nature of revolution, while very important and valuable, ultimately undermines the end of that kick ass first movie everybody loved so much in the first place.
Anyways, great vid, keep doing what you're doing, oh and also the Jabba mission in Return of the Jedi might feel like a bit of a cul de sac from a plot perspective but absolutely works from a character and tone perspective because it kind of resets the universe to something familiar after the craziness at the end of Empire also it introduces that critical ambiguity about Luke going bad and I mean they needed to address that thread of Han in Carbonite that Empire just left dangling and I should probably stop.
Damn, that part about assuming so much is an eye opener for me. I also enjoy reading these kinds of structure based revisions, while I have totally disregarded my underlining assumptions.
And I should know this, because I have seen plenty of fanedits of the star wars prequels that have amazing descriptions about how their changes elevate the story, yet the films still feel incredibly boring, confusing, and also nothing can change the stilted acting
I understand your take on this, but I think the nuanced take on revolution and the undermining of the first movie in Reloaded was exactly what they were going for, and why I think these sequels are important to the story. It's saying you can't have your cake and eat it too when it comes to using art to promote subversiveness and revolution. If an anti-establishment work created in a system dependent on capital and maintaining a status quo ends up becoming the hottest, trendiest thing in said establishment, can you really call it subversive at all? The first movie ends with Neo's monologue that ultimately boils down to "Watch out, "the man" we're coming for you. Viva la revolution!" and playing Rage Against the Machine, but the second movie reveals that that moment was ultimately hollow and superficial and like in real life, it doesn't promote subversiveness or revolution in a way that's actually tangible or productive. The way the term, "redpill" has been coopted is an unfortunate example of this. It's a philosophy that claims to represent being skeptical and questioning "the system", but the people who spout its virtues are going after the people who are actively trying to fight against said system. Yes, the themes of the Matrix are graspable and it makes people more conscious of "the system", but it doesn't actually give them the tools to change the way they interact with said system. It's "we live in a society" two decades before it before we realized it was an ironic joke.
Says the train scene is pointless.
Frequently uses the musical cue from the train scene.
Well done, sir.
What are you doing here, Kyle? You have Plans to steal!
I'm disappointed you didn't fix the trilogy's most glaring flaw - the absence of a scene of Morpheus drinking a forty in a death basket.
That return of Agent Smith bit is the return of Captain Barbossa from Dead Man's Chest.
dnwilliams I was just thinking about that
Having this video get delayed until after Peak Keanu Hype at E3 was very convenient.
As a Matrix fanboy who has watched every film, the animatrix and played all the games including MxO, this was fucking amazing. I wish we could have it re made now with the same cast 🤣🤣🤣
I'm so happy to have discovered this channel.
I love the whole Matrix trilogy, sequels and all, and I still appreciate your critiques and proposed fixes. Well done!
Are you and Mikey coordinating the content of your uploads?
CONCORDANTLY
I love this! Well done Patrick!
I'm with you on everything except for "Neo walks to the machine city" part. They are miles underground and that's a hundred mile walk to the city through the desert of the real (in Revolutions they flew at top speed for quite a while to get there, which would take days / weeks on foot). I guess you could have Trinity drop Neo off near the surface and retcon the machine city to be directly over Zion (which could be plausible since it would let them keep a close eye on the humans and make their repetitive invasions much simpler). Or have Neo tame and ride a sentinel there or something. He'd need a ship otherwise since he can only fly in the Matrix. Anyway, that was my only criticism, that was brilliant overall!
Also, their ability to breathe outside of the hovercrafts is never explained. The atmosphere is supposed to be an apocalyptic nuclear winter hellhole in which every living form has gone extinct, so there shouldn't be oxygen in the underground tunnels (Except for Zion, which is revealed in Reloaded to possess machinery capable of generating an atmosphere), and especially not on the surface.
@@rafaellago172 bro that’s a great point omg I never noticed that. It’s minor but important things like that that can mess up the entire continuity of a world. Which in turn will cause a domino effect of “Plot Holes”
Love it!
This was a much better video than if you had simply made a video essay titled "The Problems with the Matrix Sequels: Fixed!"
That epilogue... I wish more sequels could be like the matrix sequels. Even if they are flawed, I love the big ideas and I appreciate them more now then when I was younger.
This almost feels like your magnum opus. Great video and it didn't feel like 40 min at all!
"I'd watch 'em." More importantly I'd *rewatch* them. I can't remember the last time I sat through either of the sequels. When they came out I thought, wow, these were really ambitious and had some good elements but what the hell, they just did not deliver overall. I'm amazed at what you did here. You salvaged so much of the source material for a truly compelling story with huge rewatch value.
Dude... your rewrites were amazing. The pacing of Revolutions especially would've been wayyyy better with your script.
"What if the Matrix sequels were good? I mean _really_ good?"
another amazing video Patrick great work as usual The only things i missed were your parents
I really like opening with Osiris, having Neo lose to old programs, and ending with Morpheus. I'm in the apparent minority that likes the Matrix sequels, but those choices sound great to me.
🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯
After watching this video:
*shaking my fist at the Hollywood WB Studios water tower*
"I DEMAND that Patrick (H) Willems directs/co-writes The Matrix R3bo0+ or we will pillage the studio!!!!"
🔥🔥😈🔥🔥
😍Well done sir😍
What a frigging EPIC video. Well done my friend. Well done.
did you miss the shorthand of becoming blind = wisdom gaining. dude can literally see machine souls
That could have been done in a lot of less "bang you over the head with religious imagery" ways.
Where can I get that amazing t-shirt you're wearing?
luchilenium look up Jason Latour on instagram and click the link in his bio. He’s the original artist.
@@mikemutant9083 Thanks so much!
When I saw The Matrix Reloaded and Revolutions at the cinema I was a bit disappointed. But over the years after multiple rewatches I almost prefer them to the original, mostly because of the imbedded lore and the density of them. With that said I would love to see your versions of them realized.
Watxhing again in 2020 and hearing Sage say that "the ruling class allowed the act of rebelion but controlling were it becomes something superficial without chaning the class structure"
.. it hits different now
One thing: I like the screens in Reloaded because, if you notice, they are all Neo reacting differently (Each one from a different iteration of the Matrix) this reinforces the fact that it has been reloaded many times and Neo has existed in each iteration.
That well done steak is an abomination.
Edit- Oh. I get it now.
How could you eat leather?
Patrick and Nando v Movies out here saving our nerd films, one extremely long rewrite at a time
Patrick Willems is like Abed from community irl
He needs to do Who's the Boss
He literally says ‘Cool. Cool cool cool’ when speaking to sage.
To this day im still searching for that nokia 811 with that dope spring slider from the first Matrix
This is great!!!! Where did you get the Keanu t shirt? It is amazing!