450 Bushmaster AR-15.. How will it group at 100yd?
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- Quick video showing how this cheap 450 Bushmaster upper will shoot at 100yds. Let me know how your AR 450 shoots at 100! If your interested in the truck look me up on Facebook - Jordan Ballew in New Tazewell, TN. Thanks for checking out the video!
Suggestion: work on your follow through. As soon as you touch off that round your whole upper body is moving and your head is lifting up. Keep your head down on that rifle and hold on to it, just like you're trying to watch the bullet hit the target through the scope. That kind of follow through will improve your shooting. (I'm a USMC 4th Award Expert Rifleman and was a rifle range coach as well)
I noticed this as well
Thanks for the suggestion brother! Also thanks for your service!
Don’t be scared of it brother.
Great comment, USMC K.I.S.S. Method all the time and WRAP THAT SLING lol... Semper Fidelis guys stay safe
@@twinglock40z thats not being scared. Its just a common bad habit.
Thank you for speaking like a normal human being and not screaming into the camera like everyone else does 5⭐
josh stone lol no problem
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A word on the mags. Since you are using a magazine designed for a.223 with a.450 follower, try grinding a half moon on the front of the mag to allow for the bigger diameter round. I did this on the Ruger AR 556. I shoot sub moa groups at 100 yards with a bipod. In fact, while sighting in I put 3 rounds in two holes. Maybe because the Ruger is a great AR.
Dude, if my 10.5 inch BCA upper shoots a group like that I will be thrilled.
Well, Does it?
I just got the 450 bushmaster upper it works and feeds better if you get the single stack follower I have extras if you need some. It slips on top of your original 556 follower.
Joseph Evans thanks for the feedback! Where’d you find the follower?
Jordan Ballew I found it on eBay they are 3D printed. You can copy and paste this in google search engine. 450 bushmaster follower 4 Standard Metal AR Mag Also 458 SOCOM + 50 BEOWULF
Jordan Ballew no modifications needed
This vid gets me excited cuz im gettin a .450 soon. Might build just an upper. Cant wait to take sum whitetail here in ohio with it
I’m thinking about building a.450 bushmaster, just a personal built, no hunting for me!!! Thanks, for the wonderful video!!!
I got about the same results as you with a 16" BCA upper using the same ammo on a lower that shoots half MOA with .223. When I asked them about the accuracy, they wanted the barrel to "settle in". After 50 rounds with no improvement they replaced it under their MOA guarantee... new upper shoots exactly the same. I appreciate the effort in replacing it but I wasted about $70 worth of ammo to find out that this is what to expect out of the gun/upper.
Jeremy Trotta wow thanks for that feedback friend! That’s great to know. I’ve got some more tests lined up for this upper and I’m going to be trying it on a new lower but I’ll keep this in mind.
Jeremy Trotta
Were you resting on sandbags or was the weapon being held in a vice?
Not trying to cast aspersions, just trying to find truth, and if the fault lies with you and not the weapon, than you can’t fix it until you know you have the issue.....
Also, try using molybdenum grease on the trigger innards. It doesn’t do anything but make it easier for shooter to feel the clicking and stages in the trigger as it sets...basically less feeling like a slow grind, more feeling like the ticking of an old watch.....
@@Rick_Sanchez_C137_ that was shooting off a leadsled DFT.
Thanks for the feedback much appreciated. I take all the blame for the performance
How many different loads did you try? Not every barrel will shoot well with the same load
I bought the GLFA 450 with 18" barrel .
Very impressed.
I'm getting 1"moa with Hornady ammo.
Cuz this was built to be a 450 it has the right gas adjustment and the right buffer tube set up.
I couldn't find any information on GLFA 450 barrels. I was searching for reviews while browsing upper components. I'll definitely have to check them out now.
My 450 Bushmaster will shoot sub MOA at 100 yards with factory ammo. It can be a very accurate platform.
Jacob Marley you care to share more info? Brand, type, barrel length?
What twist rate do you have?
If you want to soften it up a little bit try a 4oz. buffer and an LR-308 spring, then try shooting at least two boxes of ammo through it before messing with the gas system my AR-stoner upper acted the same way when it was new, now I can get two rounds in the same whole at 50yds. and 2in or less at 100yds using those same rounds and a 1-4 LPVO.
Holy cow. You're in Tazwell. Small world.
I purchased a BCA upper in .450. While I’m a huge fan of Hornady, i recognize that some weapons fire different ammo better. I shoot sub MOA groups at 100 yards. You may well find that if you run some more rounds through it, it’ll break in and run more reliably. Good luck!! Great video.
*In my AR-15 for either accuracy or rapid fire... I prefer a two stage national match style trigger with the JP reliability spring set and an AR-10 308 stainless flatwire buffer spring and an H3 Heavy buffer. Tubb offers a 308 stainless flatwire spring that works well in my CAR-15 Carbine. You should consider that for smoother and probably more accurate shooting. With a good trigger... the reduced power hammer spring is NOT necessary. OR Triggertech make some awesome adjustable AR Gas Gun triggers.*
Well sir, I think that's pretty good coming right out the box at 100 yards and 5 shots. I see venison and biscuits in your future.
Shane Beaudrot absolutely!
I have built a .458 but haven't had time to shoot it yet. I'd imagine it has similar ballistics as the 450. Living in Florida, we have a heavy hog population so I figured it should do well for this purpose.
Shane Beaudrot I haven’t researched the .458 much but I think it is very similar to the .450 but maybe even a little faster. But I agree that will make some good hog medicine!
@@tristarcustoms77 what manufacturer is the upper assembly? i thought the vid was frozen from 5:10 to 5:21
It’s a BCA
My BCA 450 upper amazed me with 1" groups....all day!
Great Video and you’re right about the cheap QR Monstrum Optics Mount, ditch that crap and go back to basics I used to skimp on my mounts but now just save until I can find an Amazon return of a Warne or something like it, if you shop around you can grab a nice Nikon or Warne for about 45 bucks used on Amazon and save the headache of not knowing your stuff is going to work loose. Great Video again stay safe.
You could shoot sub moa you just need to follow good protocall let your bore cool brush it put your left hand under the stock to help hold it secure. My 450 bm is a ruger 556 lower with a BCA 450 16” upper and it throws sub MOA at 100. Alot of the times it will put 2 or three in the same hole then have a flyer. My rifle is pretty heavy through. I have the strike eagle 2 and a Midwest QD mount it adds like 2 lbs but tames recoil a-lot. Biggest thing here is getting comfy with your shooting setup
Good video the 450 is beefy i love it. Mine is a glfa 450 bushmaster and it's nice. I've had not a single issue so far. And I only hog hunt with mine. I put a vortex red dot and vortex magnifier 150 yards or less mostly but I can smack one at 200
patrick carter Carter that sounds awesome man. I’d like to see the damage it would do on a hog.
Your shots are different because your cheek weld is different each time. Take a little rectangle of foam and use electrical tape to put it on the stock in a place that is comfortable for you and will make it obvious to you that your cheek weld is the same every time and tell you when you’re in the wrong spot…….
I learned that trick when my Army Unit took us to HDSOC (High Desert Special Operations Center - in Hawthorne Nevada) to improve our shooting skills before a deployment to Afghanistan….
As far as the trigger, smooth even the cheap army triggers by lubing them up with Molybdenum Disulfide grease (I learned that at the Squad Designated Marksman course normally taught at Camp Robinson, but my class was taught at Fort Chaffee due to scheduling conflict for the ranges between SDM a course and sniper course).
OMG Shoot already What the Hell!!!!!
J K why are you so upset friend
Jordan in watching another review on the 450 Bushmaster, he was trouble making and keeping tight shots. He was shooting the Ruger 450 Bushmaster (The Thumper) review on RUclips, it turned out that it was the flash suppressor and by removing he was able to make and keep tight groups at 100 yds.
Thanks for the feedback! I’ve been think about a different muzzle device anyways. I’ll have to look into that.
Let us know if that improves your grouping and thanks for the magazine suggestion. I have a similar problem with my 6.5 Creedmoor, but with that one I also have failure to eject. It looks like the bolt is closing before the spent shell has left the receiver, it's turned into a 1 shot rifle.
Ja Morjr I hate to hear that about your 6.5.. is it an AR platform? I don’t have much experience with AR-10’s but basically I’d check all basic stuff magazine. Gas system etc.
Jordan it is an AR platform from Palmetto which until this unit I hadn't had any problems. I contacted them they said to contact for shipping info, but my state laws were changing at that time and I was afraid I would issues if they had to replace the lower for some reason. Anyway probably too late now to ask them for help again so I'll try mag changes, perhaps buffer springs, though this was supposed to be a matched upper and lower, who knows. I'll let you know what I find
Ja Morjr sounds good. Yes, please let me know. Im curious about that.
I seem to hear a lot of people comment about how the 450 Bushmaster is not that accurate...and I don’t get why. I have a Savage 110 Scout in 450 with a Leupold VX•R Scout 1.5-5x33 and off of a bench, just sitting in sandbags in the front, and my hand at the rear of the stock, I can get one ragged hole almost every time with 5 rounds. Those are Hornady custom as well, so I have not even worked up any hand loads yet....16” barrel, factory accu-stock, factory trigger, Seekins Precision rings, Leupold VX•R and factory ammo....not bad accuracy if you ask me...especially considering this is a 250 yards and under round...why you would need better accuracy than that for a deer/werewolf/Sasquatch rifle....I don’t know. I guess people just think you should get dime sized groups at 500 yards no matter what you are shooting🙄....
Rick Moss
Well said.
Basically, any firearm in a caliber that drops far enough that it won’t hit a saucer (as in the thing brits or your granny put under a tea cup) while aiming dead center at 300yards/meters, is considered “inaccurate” by morons.... they don’t understand “drop” any more than they understand “purpose built rounds.”
Gotta remember, this round is essentially designed to be the semi-automatic version of .45-70; good for large hogs or standard bear when the animal is close enough to mess up your weekend plans..... I love my Marlin .45-70, but I think I will make the switch to the .450Bushmaster within the next 18 months, for my property in Alaska...
Sq shoot in head
I’ve read most of these comments. It’s not a gas issue. It’s not likely to be a Mag issue. I have 2 of these uppers. A 16” and an 18”. I run DuraMags. And they are awesome. My brother had a cycle problem with his BCA 450 upper. It was nothing more than a lubrication problem. BCA’s are a little bit rough from the factory sometimes. If you got one like that, oil the crap out of it for about 50 rounds. But they are shooters. Once he figured out it was a lubrications problem, never had another issue. My 16” shoots 250gr Hornady Black to 1.2” with a Burris E1 3x9. My 18” shoots the same load to .77 with the same scope. Both lowers are PSA magpul EPT with Rise DI triggers at 3.5lbs. Brothers is on a standard PSA lower with factory trigger. His shoots Hornady Black to 1.2” with a Nikon 3x9 on top. All Burris PEPPR mounts.
I have 6 BCA uppers. 2-HBAR 450’s, 2-HBAR X-39’s, a 24” HBAR 5.56 fluted 1:7, and a standard 16” A2 5.56. The X39’s shoot 1” groups with cheap wolf. .81 with my handloads. The 24” shoots 0.6” with cheap 55gr Hornady SP. 0.22” with my 62gr handloads, and the A2 shoots 1.3-1.5” no matter what you feed it (assuming it’s spec ammo of course).
Just bought 500 Speer 300gr Deep Curls today to start working up some hog loads. Should be here in a week or so. I don’t like FTX bullets. They make an unnecessary mess inside of a deer. But they are accurate.
Thanks for the information man!
@@tristarcustoms77 You’re welcome. I know this is a year old video. And I don’t know if you handload or not. But I’m not kidding about the Speer Deep Curls. They were/are designed for the 454 Casul and 460S&W speeds. The 250gr were designed for 45 Colt speeds. 450 guys are reporting good accuracy out of theirs over Lil Gun, Reloader 7, and H4198. I’m going to run mine over H-4198. Every big bore rifle I have (see where I got my handle now?) shoots sub MOA with H-4198. And those Speers are on sale right now on Midway. 500/$126 and free shipping with code OFFER4444. Yes it a lot of money. But it’s a steal when you price it per bullet. Here I’ll send you the link IF you’re interested. They are bonded bullets and are real performers. Some guys had to open the lips on their mags just a little to get them to feed properly because they have such a wide meplat.
www.midwayusa.com/product/1022980112?pid=909639
Duramags in mine. No issues. Enjoyed the video.
My "Davison Defense" 450 upper same grouping & a mule kicker with stock buffer but cycled mostly. Ordered a Stealth Recoil Spring (Big bore) made it no fully cycle like that
(Eject & not feed following round) so
*Adjustable Gas System* sounds like a must on a good 450
Definitely under gasses. Your casings are shooting down. Awesome rig though and definitely ready to use on some whities
Good video, thanks for posting
No problem man! Thanks for the comment.
Mine is dead on at 100. I sighted it in at 50.Bear Creek upper.Burris Fullfield scope.
rjhyden thanks for the feedback!
@@tristarcustoms77 Thanks for the video. I'm in Texas, but my daughter-in-law hails from Jamestown, TN. Love that country up there. My ancestors came from Jonesville, Va. to Texas in the 1840s. I told my son he had come full circle to find a wife. He went home. Met her in Korea , of all places.
1) This brand new right? There are all kinds of break-in procedures. Retest after 100 rounds.
2) While my 16" barrel .308 is a tack driver, by 18" .556 with the 55grain ammo is about what your showing. Seems the first 2 rounds are within an inch, but the 3rd... call it 2 inch group. Add a 4th and a 5th to the mix and 5 inch group is not unheard of - cheap range ammo. 1:8 twist (which everyone says is too much for 55 grain - but even with 68 grain match ammo, still not where I want it. Call it 2-3 inch groups with 5 rounds. All rounds shot 30 seconds apart. I have a new barrel on order and I will thermally fit the old barrel for one last try at consistency (I have 16 weeks for that).
Sometimes you have to get a heavier buffer tube, for these thing is made by HK or something
Looks like u anticipate the recoil a little, bro.
I’d first try a single stick mag specifically they have them everywhere now especially with this new straight walled craze ..I swear to god I’ve heard 100s of guys over past few years get a 450 or 458 socom and say there Big bore AR upper or whole gun is junk because they used the regular 556 mags ..and then If that doesn’t work try getting you an H3 Buffer or maybe you already have one idk…. But I generally never have problems with the gas blocks its always something else that’s much easier to deal with generally speaking,,,
Willing to bet that cartridge will group better in a bolt action rifle. I like the idea of that caliber on whitetail deer.
Richard Bowles I’ve actually got a comparison video with a bolt action in the works! Also I’ll be testing some hand loads
Richard Bowles I’ve actually got a comparison video with a bolt action in the works! Also I’ll be testing some hand loads
I can get one ragged hole with 5 rounds at 100 yards on a bench. Savage 110 Scout with a Leupold VX•R Scout 1.5-5x33 and Seekins Precision rings, with factory Hornady Custom....just sitting on sand bags in front and my hand under the rear end of the stock....if I do my part, the rifle with make one ragged hole at 100 with 5 rounds, I would bet every time.
Rick Moss that’s awesome man. I’m working towards making a comparison video with a Ruger American in 450 vs my AR with handloads.. hopefully I can get accuracy more like what you are describing. Thanks for the feedback!
Run these same rounds through Bushmaster 450 upper. Shooting 3.5 at 200 yards. Think you need better mounts and looks like your over anticipating the recoil. Let it eat!!!
You have a good set up. I run a 10.5 bca upper with a mini tanker brake, really tames that jump. However I get less than 1 moa from my short 10.5. You may want to try some federal 300 jhp. Mine loves it. Good hunting brother.
Modern Primitive 15 Hey man! Thanks for the feedback, I appreciate it. I’m hoping to have an update video on this gun in a month or so.
Im in the process of getting one in the next couple months any suggestions
Have this same upper...I have a three port brake installed and it definitely helps. I'm getting a little tighter groups @100 yards with the same ammo. I'm using a Nikon 3-9X50mm scope and a ALG Defense trigger with the 6LB hammer spring. I noticed the primers are a little harder on these rounds. I'm using the same magazine as well, so far it's been reliable. I haven't had any issues with the gas system, it functions flawlessly...I know BCA uppers can be hit or miss, maybe I just got a good one?
Thanks for the feedback I appreciate it. I think I’ll definitely add a brake in the future. One thing I didn’t mention in the video is I completely tore the upper down to Cerakote it (back when I was doing that) and I’m sure I installed the gas system back correctly and didn’t notice any flaws. I have read recently that someone changed out there buffer spring and that helped with feeding. I might try that eventually. I’m hoping to work on another video with this upper soon using some hand loads and a different hammer spring to improve accuracy.
You never said what kind (make & model) of upper that is. ???
Just my two cents but may be a better scope can make a difference. I had the same problems.
He was flinching a bit you can see it when the round fails to chamber. His follow through was not so great. I suspect the bushmaster had him spooked. It's a real thumper.
I had no gas system problems, locked back fine after empty. Much better group at 100. I love the damn thing. Can't wait to put it on a hog. Not saying I'm that great .
What magazine are you using? I’m also thinking the gas system on mine is fine because I forgot while making the video as soon as I bought that upper I tore it down to prep for Cerakote but ended up leaving it alone and I know it was put back together properly.
@@tristarcustoms77 Well, I bought this first :www.rrarms.com/glfa-magazine-450-bushmaster-5rd-black-modified-lancer.html, then saw this video on here: ruclips.net/video/6jrWYgR8CoI/видео.html. He is no longer on Ebay but his email address in Iowa is: fremont@windstream.net . he is a nice guy and will ship the drop in follower to fit a GI 20 round mag for like $10.99 and the GI mags are available fairly cheap at Primary Arms. Good luck, Both of them work great.
that upper is a bca upper u have a gas adjustment in the front by gas tube.
Could be an AR stoner from midway. That's what I have and it looks identical
Nice looking gun buddy. My question is that a 16 or 18 inch barrel.
Country Mile Outdoors 16in
Do a 14 inch...I won't tell anybody
450 AR is my next build, already have parts on order.
What spring & buffer would you suggest?
My thought is to start out with a 'mil spec' carbine spring & buff, but I've seen a couple videos where the 450 is failing to cycle. I think it would make sense to go with a heavy spring & buff but now I'm wondering if i need to go light weight.
Let me know.
Ok so everything arrived and assembled fine, ejection port was opened up as big as it could so the door still snaps shut, most material was removed from the bottom.
CYCLING ISSUES. Most of the time the spent casing is ejected, but rarely does everything work as expected. So until i get the buffer system dialed in I'll have to treat it like a bolt action.
That’s odd man. Sorry I just seen the original comment. I haven’t fired mine recently but I tried lowers and I hope to do an update video before deer season.
Adjustable gas block! My Davison Defense upper cycled mostly on carbine system,Ordered a Stealth Recoil Spring (Big bore) too much buffer weight! they said "clip springs a coil" - ?¿?
*GAS seems to be the issue*
@@ryanjones4951 all my problems went away when i drilled open the gas port in the barrel from .110 to .125. Doesn't sound like much but it's about 30% more area.
Reassembled with borescope to ensure perfect alignment of gas block and haven't had an issue since. Back to running "millspec" spring & buffer.
Dude you need a single stick mag just go to the store and tell them you need a 450 bm mag and if your still having issues after that go buy an H3 buffer and then if your still have trouble then maybe it’s the gas block or something else
Probably would have been a better group seen a little jumpy when shooting maybe trying to anticipate the recoil? Can tell you jerk a little once you dry fired it.
RealTeal Outfitters I agree. I’m hoping to make a follow up video soon with some hand loads and hopefully better technique on my end lol
How ya been my man? I just put my 450 together last weekend & bought 2 box of hornaday black. Haven't even chambered a round yet, don't even have sights, optic or irons 😅
321JKilla Better than I deserve brother! How about yourself? I know what you mean. I had this upper sitting in the safe for 9+ months before a did a single thing to it lol. You’ll have to let me know how it shoots when you get it to the range.
@@tristarcustoms77 well I'm in the swamps of FL so it's juuust now starting to be outdoor range weather (at least for more than 30 mins at dawn) I got it and a 350ledgend in the mail I'm gonna try to stretch the limits on... I'll let u kno how it does, gotta get optic but other than that it's ready to rock & I got same H black ammo, so I'll give u my 3- 3rd groups + avg. I'm modding mags right now for the 350.
321JKilla that sounds awesome! I’m definitely curious to see how that turns out keep me updated. I was skeptical about the 350 Legend at first but after some more research I think it might be a pretty awesome cartridge.
@@tristarcustoms77 I was skurrrd at first, seen some detonated bolts & shit but now there's like 7-8 different manufacturers or loadings for it + I had a 5% & free shipping discount code so I said why not... it's warrantied as long as I use factory ammo... after I'm confident w the factory stuff, I'm gon look into resizing some Sierra match full Spitzer boat tail 225-250gr & see if I can get it to NOT fly like a rock
What's the best buffer and Spring for 450 bushmaster???
That’s a great question. I currently still shooting that upper on a different lower I built that has a buffer and spring that I’m sure was designed for 556/223. There’s more than likely a buffer and spring designed for the cartridge but I’ve never researched that much.
Use 4.3oz buffer.. Needs slowed down... Bolts coming back before next round pops up
I was getting a 2 inch group at 100. I shot off a shooting rest, hands free. I’m an old fart lol
the mag follower is not coming up enough to grab the bolt.. push up on an empty mag and bring the bolt back, if it catches then you need to work on filing the follower to allow it to come up more ... hard to explain in words ..
Look like that kick scared him the first shot
How was that scoping you got there😅
You do good work brother. I live not to far from you in Tennessee, can I come sit down with you and do some stippling? $$
Christ Alive thanks brother! And sure thing man we could do that.
@@tristarcustoms77 how can we can in touch? Looking to get together maybe end of January beginning of February.
Christ Alive are you on any type of social media? If so you can search my name on Facebook or Instagram. If not you can send me an email k.jordan.ballew@gmail.com and we can go from there.
@@tristarcustoms77 I sent you an email and started following you Instagram. @christalive Instagram also
What part of tennessee?
What color is that cerakote?
Jordan Perry it was a blend of Burnt Bronze and OD Green over a custom snake skin stencil
Hell yeah thanks
It’s like shooting a 12 gauge, kills my shoulder.
BTW, when you gonna throw together a 6.5Grendel upper to go along with that 7.62x39 lower?
It could be a while lol I’m still interested in doing that build but if it’s anything like my other personal projects it’s likely to be an untold amount of months 🤣. I still have a 6.5 Creedmore bolt gun I put together that I’ve never chambered a round in.
@@tristarcustoms77 well, if it's somethin you may be interested in, I'd build another one & in 6 months or so we can trade 😂😉
EDIT- I currently have a .300aac 10.5" (or maybe it's 13) upper I just finished yesterday, w/red dot $200
I think i missed it what is the make of this upper?
Bear creek Arsenal I believe
Looks like you pulled 2 shots to me
Use 4.3 oz buffer...
i was watching you pretty close and you flinched pretty bad on the middle two shots
I sure did man. I’ll be sure to pick up some Copenhagen and calm down next time lol thanks for the feedback!
Jordan Ballew lmao. Just some camaraderie goin on here bored as hell looking at ordering some parts so I was watching. I will be subscribing
Hahah I thought my video froze lol
Looks like a BCA upper.
Steve Lacy I believe you are correct.
Thing kicks like a fucking mule
Tim Lever she’s a tough ole girl
Not bad... But Not good
its like watching paint dry
EWB benvigotti it’s not the most entertaining video in the world.. but come on now, watching paint dry?? Lol 😅 Surely it’s not that bad
@@tristarcustoms77 Im sorry. I was waiting and WAITING for you to fire the rifle. I do admire the gun build. I didnt mean mean to come across as a dick but I am Italian.
I added a 10.5' upper to my SBR, it's a thumper but I'm having feeding issues, any thoughts?
Ja Morjr id think magazine first.. but that’s just me
.....this was painful to watch
Not enough preparation ahead of shooting, a lot of dead time on camera.
Ja Morjr I agree lol
….every other review is getting touching groups….
🥴
😂 yep
Dude u take forever to shoot