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Long ago a player planned to use all 4 elements in harmony, but everything changed when the DM banned the class.
Only that Monk using all 4 elements in an underpowered fashion could prevent the DM's plans from falling apart, but when he was needed most he was banished.
A few minutes passed and the DM and his girlfriend decided it would be far more balanced to play a Wizard. And while most know the Wizard's Damage potential is high the DM has a lot to learn before he is ready to balance encounters against one.
But I believe the wizard would not have upset the DM so much if the player picked a wizard naturally.
Unpinned my helpful comment to pin this. I hope you're happy >:(
... at least its not the fire nation wait thats the DM probably.
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If you’re too competitive to be a player, the LAST thing you should do is DM.
I also don´ t get the DM allowed using these skills against the group.
Very competetive DM can be the bedt DM ever, if he is not cheating
say it with me everyone
persuasion. isnt. mind control.
Exactly. DMs that allow that shit are bad and should not get to DM.
Have you seen a cult before? It totally can be if the charisma stat is high enough.
All DMs should expect their story to not go correctly, especially when there are spellcasters in the party.
Especially
Yaa I hardly make a plot any more as my kids/ players are guaranteed to go nuts lol its fun pulling a story out of my arse !
When i DM i tend to have an idea of what i want my players to do, potentially enforce a little bit of time constraint but ultimately the players drive the story along and i tailor it to their experiences, i also highly encourage rp as it makes people feel more immersed in their characters
@@ryanblake7114 Ladies, Gentlemen, a great DM and an awesome group. Take notes, everyone.
yeah first rule of DMing, your plot never survives meeting the party.
Thinks monks are OP at level 14
Wizard: Hold my Beer
nah hold my grog
And then thinks transmutation wizards aren't as powerful as evocation. Sure evocation will do more damage but transmutation wizards are going to mess your shit around so that the other players can more effectively wreak havoc.
Wizards are probably going to end up as weapons of massdestruction on two legs... but they tend to do that in many games not only dnd... right now I am gming Warhammer Fantasy and I sh*t you not, we have a fire-mage in our group and sh is litteraly a weapon of massdestruction! killing tons of enemys (even as supporter she gives a player enough firepower [oh damn it, that was unintentional] to onehit (or atleast twohit) Demons!)
@@shadenox8164 And if it were AD&D, there'd be no damage rolling... it's automatic disintegration with a failed save.
Persuasion and Deception doesn't automatically change a Player Character's mindset. It just makes it easier to lie or persuade as a RP mechanic. Not an auto success.
I remember a good analogy for this though it was used for suggestion. Say you persuaded a king to give up their crown and you roll a 20 with the highest proficiency modifier. All that would most likely guarantee is the king doesn't have you executed on the spot for the ridiculous suggestion.
I remember my sister-in-law telling me about this nightmare DM she had a while back. Basically the DM tried to have one of the "friendly" NPC's use persuasion to convince her character to have sex with him. When she objected, he basically said "he rolled high on persuasion, so your character does it." Absolute jerk--and not even following the rules mind you, not even Charm person can do that to a character. Heck, I would think that the only spell in existence that could force a character to do that would be dominate person (but even then, I think you get advantage on saves against doing something that goes against your nature).
@@matthewa.whiting719 It always baffles me how there are so many weird DMs who are obsessed with forceful sex.
@@averagejoe455 That's how you can tell they want it badly but their personality is too shitty to find someone IRL to do it with
I agree completely. Interactions between PCs shouldn't be handled via dice rolls. The players in question should roleplay the scene. This idiot was just looking for a way to impose his will upon everyone else. The DM should have put a stop to that immediately.
That first bit it talked about is exactly why I don't allow persuasion roles between players. Deception vs insight is fine, but persuasion is bound to break it.
@OrangeManBad
When I was a player in my group, the dm let other players use intimidation on me to take my stuff. I had to give up an item. They did give it back soon after. I let my players role that on each other once as a joke because they got in a standoff and did nothing with it. I really don't get dms using the social rolls for other players too.
People need to learn how to use real life persuasion rather than relying on rolling against their party members
Not only that, but allowing that takes agency away from the players, which more than anything makes the game not fun to play. You and only you should be the one that decides what your character thinks or feels.
I know right "I make my persuasion roll so give me your magic item", "No, fuck off, try it again and I WILL kill your character".
Iirc, you cannot use Persuasion vs PCs in RAW. I know this was the case in 3.5 and PF...
Imagine if Matt Mercer stormed out of the studio when Sam one-hit-KO'd his demon spider a couple weeks ago. Like, if a DM did that in a session, my first thought would be that it was a comedy bit.
Mr McAwesome Yeah I’m sure he was thinking about it.
yeah but we also have to think not everyone is literally a dm god and the best dm like matt mercer... in fact no one but him is.
@@TheOriginalFlowerdough Okay, imagine Adam Koebel or Matt Collville or Mark Hulmes or your long-term DM doing that. Or any of the DMs you've had. Or hell, imagine yourself watching your boss get one-hit KO'd and the response you come up with is to storm out of the room. Matt Mercer was an exaggeration to get across how ridiculous the idea is.
Happened to me on Saturday. They are fighting these barbarian type people and some survivors of the barbarian attacks said they have a powerful spell caster with them. They finally encounter the powerful Archdruid which has been leading these attacks and is about to kill an NPC they need to save. Fighter wins initiative, Hand crossbows in each hand, crossbow expert feat, sharpshooter feat, extra attack(2), and action surge. 7 attacks, all hit, 70 damage from sharpshooter, 35 from dex bonus, over 30 from the dice, Archdruid dead on the first turn of combat. When he told me the damage I just went "Well, shit" and knocked the figure over to the cheers of the party. Now I know, make sure the fighter uses BOTH of his action surges in the fights leading up to the big bad. A lesson I will take care to remember when the Archdruid's sister comes looking for revenge.
@@jamesmcdonald9313
It's better to know what the max amount of dmg the group is capable of doing per round. Once you figure those up, save each figure based on class. Each encounter you run, you tailor the enemies based on the dmg capabilities of a ???Lvl group of X, Y and Z classes. Each one potentially capable of dealing 40-120 points of dmg per round, level depending.
Set the BBEG's hit points to 300-500 if the characters are Tier 1 or 2, and go 500-1,500 for Tier 3 or 4. You're the DM, so nobody can tell you how many HPs your villains have.
>Make a 350hp kobold berserker who challenges the party to 1v1 battle,
>or a 500hp faerie dragon that is hellbent on avenging the death of his child (unaware, the knight stepped on the baby after it had fallen from the nest),
>How about a 1,200hp dwarven fighter who is wearing an exoskeleton made of mithril, with magical runes engraved all over, crafted by a master artificer, enchanted by a master wizard and blessed by Zeus, Odin, God and Buddha. The suit enhances the Str, Con and Chr (because it looks so badass) of the wearer, while making it Resistant to Fire, Ice, Lightning, Acid, Poison, Force, Psionic, fuck it, resistant to everything.
The players are gonna kill whatever you throw at them, and that's GOOD. It's the way things are supposed to happen. Just make sure its memorable by being able to survive longer than 2 rounds.
....if the party did more damage than you anticipated, why not just buff the HP of the boss on the down low?...
I personally dont like buffing a boss' hp mid battle. It feels cheap and undemines the effort and planning players do. My motto is, if you dint plan for. Neither did the villain, and suck it up and rill with it. That my opinion tho.
Remember. Tripple digits of damage. Only things in the mega CR in 5E can take that. If it was high tripple digits then nothing in 5E could tank that.
@@shawnredmon6542 Yeah, but I never assume the DM kept the same stats, hell, I never even assume that what I am fighting comes from the MM.
@@rezonpokemon3854 I generally agree, but I can see times where simply one shotting a boss would feel like a bigger undermining than changing his hp, there are plenty of ways to reward their planning that are more rewarding I think.
There is a difference btw between in my opinion between one shotting with a insanely strong character or one shotting with a good plan, I'd be less inclined to buff HP if a great plan caused the fall, hell, I might even nerf it if what happened was cool enough.
@@rezonpokemon3854 The thing for me is that the players don't know how strong the race is. Some DM's let help come that they previously didn't plan for, which is also fine, but always feels more obvious to me than simply changing how much they can take. I want to set up a challenge based on how strong the team is, not on how strong I predicted their team to be.
For instance, I also don't want to tpk my team just because I happened to overestimate them.
If I have a deadly encounter in mind, I generally want that encounter to be deadly, unless they do something special to make it easier.
That's the difference in my mind between buffing HP because the players are strong vs because the players were clever.
I the players are clever then they are doing a good job, which should be rewarded. If the players are simply stronger or weaker than I thought, then I did a crap job being a DM and building the encounter, and I don't want to penalize them for my mistake.
The more and more of these I watch, the more I realize how many toxic friendships there are in the world.
Wild magic and planning are generally mutually exclusive
Guy: 4 Elements Monk is too OP.
Also Guy: Transmutation ***WIZARD*** is useless.
Still Guy: Plays Bard and Persuasion spams.
Me if I was in the game: I play Variant Human Cleric with highest WIS and Expertise in Insight.
Me if I was the DM's own DM: Persuasion checks on other PCs are not allowed, give them their stuff back, you &*#(.
@@LordTyph Me, actually a DM giving an example of a past call I made, which became a rule for future sessions: Persuasion checks have limits to what you can persuade people of, and no, the guard does not give you the key to your cell. (would have had the guard open the cell if that particular player had tried... I don't know, deception to make the guard think something was wrong? Or literally anything other than trying to bribe the guard with the money the same guard had already confiscated.)
@@forgototherpassword Honestly, in that situation, I'd have gone with trying to sway him in ways other than, you know, bribery. Get an idea on what I could use as an 'in' and work from there. Use small talk as a way to search for it.
@@LordTyph Exactly! I'm glad you understand, thank you.
Forget persuasion! Performance is where it's at! Sing a song, draw a picture, and write a novel all at the same time!
For all who have to deal with characters who try to use deceprion and persuasion to make other PCs do what they want them to, remember that skill checks are not spells: they are not as powerfull (for example: you can agree someone absolutely need a magic item, but this does not mean you have to give it away). And as a DM i would suggest every other DM in this position to talk to the player and make him change his behaviour. Everybody should have fun at the table, so instead of fighting each other just try to talk it over! Have fun and keep playing ;)
The most inexplicable thing here is the belief that 4El Monks are overpowered. “Let’s see, I could pick up Fly restricted to just myself at level 11 for a boatload of Ki when I’m already almost as mobile without it… or I could go Shadows and get a flat-out better mobility tool at level 6 for no Ki cost.” “I could spend 4 Ki to cast Hold Person… or I could spend just one point more to strike four times and potentially stun four different targets not restricted by creature type while also doing damage.”
That's when I lost my claws there too. 4E monks are absolute dumpsterballs unless you play them revised.
@@CritCrab Yeah overall it needs to cost less or give Monk more Ki.
I tried remaking one of my old DBZ OCs (from back when I used to watch that show a lot) as a 4 Elements (I didn't go Sun Soul because personality reasons) Dragonborn Monk. I read through the 4 Elements section and went "Wow. This is hard to work with."
4 Elements can be cool but it everything just needs to cost MUCH less.
I once played a 4e monk which we homebrewed so that whenever I used one of the “spells” to successfully kill a monster I would recharge all my ki.
@@CritCrab This comment is old, but you shouldn't call them 4e monks. Monks in 4th Edition were decent, from what I remember. They were a psionic class, though, which makes sense really
Four Elements Monk is too overpowered... is that even a legal sentence? XD
No. No it is not
"It's my party and I will cry if I want to" lol
Okay, pro-tip:
Don't hinge your enjoyment on a boss fight.
That's just a recipe for disaster.
the Only DM pro-tip is this, DON'T hinge your enjoyment on anything you plan ever. place that solely on at the feet of party high jinks because you will fail otherwise.
"Hey man, I rolled up my character, I know its a bit unconventional and probably pretty week, but im going to play a goliath monk, that sound okay?"
"Uh... no, that ISN'T okay, monks are overpowered dude"
"Well I mean if you look at the total DPR between classes at any level, pretty much any other class can outclass monk for damage more consistently, and most of a monks abilities consume a finite resource, theyre actually pretty weak..."
"No man, you dont understand, have you ever seen a character who can RUN ON WATER at 9th level? Totally broken, you cant play monk."
to be fair...
...what if he had a water running challenge they were supposed to lose for his railroad-ass railroad story?
By 9 a spellcaster can have the whole party fly! What goes through these DM's minds?
@@anthonynorman7545 not ever looking at the spell list as a whole mostly
@@Altorin 🤦🏿♂️ probably...so many people fail to take "master of rules" seriously.
@@anthonynorman7545no not master, arbiter and interpreter. Even then, the gm is there as an assesory.
But... it’s MY birthday!! Let’s see that attitude hold up against 10d6+40 points of damage, rugrat. Also, wizards are no joke, or any spellcaster for that matter.
Even the short spell listed sorcerers.
@@AmaryInkawult warlocks arent a joke either, or paladins, or eldrich knights, really anything with spellcasting isn't a joke (besides ranger)
Really only the beast master ranger sucks ass all the other rangee archetypes are good (especially the horizon walker from XGtE), the 4 elements monk is poopy but pretty much any other class and archetype magical or not is strong.
hell even some of the non spell casters are nothing to be trifled with. theres always gonna be that moment were a rouge stuns you allowing everybody to jump your bosses ass. or the open palm monk gets lucky on quivering palm causing your big bad to just crumple, or your fighter annihilating that big bad's health bar.
Amazing how the dm in the story thinks monks of all classes are busted. He hasnt really played the game at all has he?
I hope his girlfriend broke up with him after that, god damn.
Anyway, the real reason I'm writing this comment is to tell this story. A while back the party I had been DMing for was hunting down the leader of the assassin's guild to get revenge. Through some really good persuasion rolls, they managed to convince their high-level wizard friend to come along, and I let them run him in combat because they really like the NPC and I didn't want to worry about running an 11th LVL wizard in combat while also worrying about the villains. Anyway, I did not realize that I had not switched out his prepared spells since I had him defending the city from some attack, so he still had some pretty high-level spells prepared. The players instantly noticed he had some strong magic up his sleeve and used him to disintegrate the leader of the thieves guild and the main bad guy for the story arc of the campaign on turn 2. But you know what? They erupted in cheers. They were STOKED. They had just ANNIHILATED this asshole! So naturally, I described his death in excruciating detail, so they could practically SEE the skin crumbling and his insides turning to ash. They loved every second. Was I bummed that the boss I spent so long designing had been destroyed so quickly? Maybe for like, two seconds total. But that was instantly replaced with pure joy at how happy my players were. It's a moment none of us will forget, and they still tell the story as one of their proudest D&D moments.
With all these stories, I notice a pattern across all of them. Usually, the problem individual is using the game as some weird way of power control, or wanting to show off their amazing characters/epic tales/DMPCs/worldbuilding to players only there for t the ride.
It's supposed to be a game where everyone has fun.
@@dizzydial8081 that's main character syndrome in a nutshell.
For a nonproblematic dm, there are two goals: wanting to create and successfully run a balanced encounter that challenges and engages the charactersas well as wanting a ‘role’ of your own that is dynamic and interesting for you. I think any player can attest that a curbstomping by the PCs doesn’t necessarily cause the former goal to be a failure so long as it is not every combat. Though the second goal is usually going to be undermined by a quick combat. I can see why dms get disappointed based on the second goal failing but they shouldn’t beat themselves up thinking they necessarily failed in the first.
honestly if your op bad is killed like that, that's okay, if your players feel joy, t5his guy just wanted to lord how powerful his enemies were.
Honestly I don’t even get it. 4 elements monk is by far the most underpowered monk ever, they burn through Ki like bloody steam engines, it’s easy af to deal with them. And monks are generally not spellcasters, I don’t even think I need to explain why that’s enough to balance them even if they admittedly have a ton of cool traits. Wizards on the other hand are notoriously the most bullshit of classes, by far. Hell here’s a tip for y’all: ya wanna minmax? Pick a monoclass Halfling (any su race will do, I personally prefer ghostwise) divination wizard. Pick the “lucky” feat as soon as you can. Enjoy as the DM is forced to throw ludicrously imbalanced encounters at you because you are OP as fuck.
For those that don’t get why that build is OP: divination gets “portent” at lvl 2, which basically allows you to fix dice rolls. Lucky and Halfling (any sub race) are the easiest way to get rerolls going, which in turn fuels portent, and as you lvl up divination keeps adding to your literal future controlling powers till it gets so broken with that, that essentially at high levels it winds up being a case where as long as a dice is being rolled you can fudge it, you will succeed at everything and your enemies will fail at the simplest shit, because you dictate what the dice rolls. Combine it with a lore bard with spells specially selected so as to be the most jack-of-all-trades guy and that’s it, he can suck at everything and it won’t matter because so long as he can roll those dice you can make him OP at EVERYTHING.
I had a DM that wanted to change the way divinations worked after I had already started playing as my character. He wanted there to be some kind of component so others would see that I gave my teammate a win on a roll to win over the trust of a race. I didn't stick around much longer after that.
i'll love to play that character just to scream at the DM "Screw Destiny! i choose my own Fate!"
No one expects The Spanish Divination
Also Fireball is broken on purpose
There is a reason singleplayer games exists. It's meant for people like him. Pay-to-win games also exists because of that 'GUY'. I'm surprise he was still together with his GF for a year with a selfish attitude like that but what would I know.
Seems to me like the player pushed the monk against the DMs wishes. He’s at fault too
@@squattingheads As bad as your first sentence is, I can understand it a bit. And no, the monk-lover is not at fault because he simply played a wizard which is the most OP class at higher levels so one-hitting someone with a spells is par on the course for them. Besides, if they went with what the DM wanted, it would just make him worse as a persons. At the very least this should have been a nice lesson for him that the world doesn't revolve around him.
Geez, calm down
@@squattingheads Except there was no valid reason to deny it in the first place.
@@squattingheads dude, he didn't play monk, and decided to play transmutation wizard, he was then insulted by garbage dm and told to switch to evocation because 'transmutation wizards are useless'. The dude, if what he is saying is true, is not at fault.
I recently had a Call of Cthulhu game where one of the players decide to kill a the bad guy before investigating (They were a Contract Killer and were hired to kill the bad guy.) I had assumed they would go like agent 47 and stalk the bad guy before strangling him, failing when he finds out the bad guy is being kept alive by an artifact.
That isn't what happened.
The exact moment they see the bad guy and he introduces himself, the player attacks him. Thankfully, before mentioned artifact served its purpose and kept the bad guy alive, allowing the adventure to continue.
In case anyone was worried, I didn't railroad the players. They managed to find a way to beat him without a fight, that I hadn't thought of, which I am very proud of them for.
TLDR: Always assume players will take the most straight forward route of killing your bad guy.
I can personally attest to this.
One time my players were in dungeon with a big round room with a large lava pool in the center. Surprisingly, a large fire giant arose from the pool of lava and began attacking them. No more than two rounds into the fight my arcane archer asks why he doesn't just shoot the ceiling with an explosive arrow and let the falling rocks do the work.
I planned on the fire giant being the boss fight and didn't want him to die so easily. But one nat 20 later and a giant rock had smashed the fire giant's head. Killing him instantly.
Little did the party know now that the fire giant was dead and him falling created a huge gash in the dungeon floor, along with the rocks falling into the lava pit, they had a new challenge on their hands.
They had to escape the dungeon before the lava overflow kills them all. They made it out just by the skin on their teeth.
Sorry for the low res. I don't even know how that got past editing. I hope you enjoyed your trip back to 2009.
baked beans
Oh glorious minesweeper time
What game is this your playing for the video critcrab it looks good
@@danielhagin5662 he's playing Neverwinter
@@bensnow4046 iv read the books now i have to have that game 😂
I dunno, the concept of running (not playing) a birthday game and expecting to win is still preposterous. Are the players simply supposed to lose and marvel of how fun the obviously one-sided (blatantly favoritismed) game was? Plus at 14th level, disintegrate is one of the weaker spells. At least they ripped the bandage off quickly instead of simply turning the boss off and making it agonizingly slow.
BTW I love how the guy probably saw the Stun Spam and thought "Surely monks are the most powerful of the creatures we fought!"
I think the three worst classes that is generally agreed upon are:
BM ranger
Frenzied Barbarian
4 Elements Monk
*A WIZARD DID IT*
Of course it was the wizard
@@CritCrab Especially the wizard.
okay, monks are pretty strong but 4 elements monks are absolutely ass. all their abilities end up being strictly worse than normal monk abilities before lv11. and by then being able to fly and cast fireball isn't that impressive.
They actually have their up sides. The best arts to use aren't the damage dealers. They're the control/support. You can actually really change how the battlefield looks with certain arts and buff yourself up pretty well. Four elements monk is also the only class that gets legitimate use out of stoneskin. I've been theorycrafting for months on this and have finally cracked the code. The most important rule to follow is not to spam your elemental arts. Use them when they get the most mileage and stick to vanilla monk stuff between those key moments.
But Fireball (JoCat reference)
Man, social skills like Persuasion don't even work on PCs. Either those guys are super-committed to roleplaying (which is still a stretch considering the guy is talking them out of all of their stuff), or they haven't been playing correctly.
When the TL:DR is almost as long as the story itself...
I actually would have loved to hear the other side of the story, DMs perspective. Some little things feel off about this story.
Like what?
Found the dm guys
I played a game once with a guy that thought Transmutation Wizards were dumb and useless too. I broke his game and buried his big bandit encounter alive when I turned the ground under him into a sea of mud, then turned it back to stone.
"You guys won't get any treasures off them if you do that!"
"Oh no, we missed out on rusty daggers and copper coins, I guess we'll just have to hope and pray we get another chance at a haul like that."
Same spell ruined his plan to keep us locked out of a super important tower. Rogue couldn't pick the lock, he vetoed my knock spell to keep it shut and the fighter couldn't bash it down. So I double checked and the magic was only on the door, walls were super thick stone. I turned the stone into mud and pulled the door off its hinges. Guy was so butt hurt about this, he said I couldn't play a wizard again.
My wizards use to Collect their opponents by turning them into mouse size box turtles and use Flesh to Stone on them. So in a few game campaigns, the DM says Polymorph spells are like 8th-level magic and not 4th-level magic.
Also the stander Rock to Mud spell doesn't work on " Shape/ Cut " stone work. Neither does Shape Stone.
But that is ok, just research the spell as a higher level spell.
Like your solution. I remember in this Thor comic Ario Dagger retreats into his bank vault that he boasts has a door made of some super adamantium and hearing that, I was waiting for Thor to pull a Kool Aid Man. I don’t remember what she actually did.
Party would have gotten bonus XP for the creativity from me alone. Why can not DMs just enjoy the chaos?
@@UnknownUnknown-mo7zg because most of them take it as an attack on their story and act like they have to fight back against the players for it
@@DocDelray I had an encounter for a tree people warrior (Homebrew) and a group of 4 lvl 5s. The rogue used a sleep potion on it for 6 rounds of combat. I expected them to use that 6 rounds to kill it easily. No. They bind its hands and then make it back down and in exchange I ´push´ them toward the next plot marker while exposing more of the world. While we took break, they debated on what to do. And the options were anything but kill the monster. 1. Sell monster alive to a wizard. 2. Kill monster and take its face as a mask. Seriously. Those were the options. And I loved it and was completely caught off guard because I did not see that coming. I asked them if I should be writing an evil campaign. They told me no. I had fun. They had fun. And when we rp this Sat they will get the other half of their xp as a ´vision´ is delivered to them. Total chaos. Beautiful impromtu results.
Bruh i love when my group wonders off. All they are doing is falling deeper into my mind, where all the real bad stuff lives. But it’s always fun to improv
When Monk is too OP: What a wonderful world of imagination
4 elements monk no less.
Once again, the Avatar has succeeded in bringing balance to the apartment. I mean world.
My story of my experience shortened up for a comment.
The entire group after a raid turned on me due to being the one who slew a boss and claimed some high tier boss loot. It was from a beholder. The DM disliked me, three of the members there disliked me, and my only Friend there had his character dead at the time and in need of Resurrection. The advantage about being a tanky paladin is your raw capability (mixed with a very strong defensive chest piece with protection from slashing weapons that 99 percentage of players fighting me had) is that you can literally sponge the damage they deal and take the punishment. With no ranged attacks, magic, and barely any kind of attacks that would deal damage. Mixed with a few healing potions. I tanked for a solid 55 full turns against them till finally they had exhausted themselves. My position at the teams tank was made very clear. With the group exhausted and out of any type of healing. They were easily dispatched over the next 10 turns as they tired to recover. The best part of it all is that by natural rolling. Not my own doing or the DMs. They were all on one or two hp when I gave them a ultimatum. Die or turn over their weapons, gold, valuable loot, and sleeping rolls. Obviously they picked the second option. The advantage of getting so much gold from them mixed with selling their gear off allowed me to pay to have my one Ally brought back at a temple, re fitted and armed with weapons, and allowed him. (Due to him having died because the team outside of me left him for dead and I made it out because of my tanking capability) Found all three trying to get some kind of weapon and poison from the blacksmith in town. He said and I quote. "Remember how you guys left me to die?" Before with his claymore, did a sweeping slash that did enough between them all with his barely capable strength stat to down them. Bleeding finishing them off due to the horribly inaccurate swing he made. Thus ending a campaign that had been going on for little over 3 months due to petty attacks and a failed murder attempt. One paladin, a ranger, and one very strong chest piece.
((For those who might ask. We played a custom version that only branches off the main books/DM quests a small bit. Certain slice of life/world things are changed. Such as fair prices for some goods that are way to expensive or cheap for what they were. Also the enemies were jacked up to all hell.
Sounds like a crazy experienced.
You handled it like a boss.
Well done.
i know this is an old post, but i have to ask why did you play at this table? you said it yourself the DM didn't like you, and three of the table also didn't like you, the only person who did like you was your friend? so why where you two there to begin with? was it some punishment that you had to play DnD with haters or something?
“Four Elements Monks are Overpowered” said no one ever
Apparently *that guy* did.
CritCrab Nobody Said 4E Monk is OP
That guy said it
Therefore, that guy = nobody
@@KINFIN123 destruction 100
@@KINFIN123 You leave Kingdom Hearts out of this.
This channel is becoming my #1 source of rpg Trainwreck stories.
I usually play a monk because they always seem simple to set up and play,
since you get unarmed damage you don't need to buy a weapon so you don't need to worry about losing it, it breaking, or needing to repair it.
Because they get unarmed defense you don't need to buy any armor so again you don't need to worry about losing it, not having it, it breaking, or it needing to be repaired,
and since they also have proficiency with simple weapons the only weapon I ever get when I feel like getting one is a staff, and at that point the rest of my gold goes toward extra stuff like food, potions, a card, and something to pull the cart.
Something to keep in mind from the little pre story of the bard making them give up their gear. High persuasion doesn't mean you have to do what is requested. For pc or npc. It gives you the opportunity. Even a natural 20. They could say "go jump off that cliff" but you don't have to do it. A high role might just mean that they don't immediately decide to kill you for suggesting they commit suicide. Sometimes you multiple high roles AND a good/persuasive argument that solves their problems.
If i learned one thing about setting up boss encounters - never make it a single boss. Give them minions, lieutenants, defensive installations, whatnot. If the party gets crushed, you can still whip up something about the boss being cocky or his troops losing morale or something malfunctioning and blowing up. Yeah, it will be obvious, but it's always easier to downscale an encounter than it is to upscale one with some serious Cool-Aid-Man action.
I got a similar story to that one. So, I got into Adventure League this year at a convention. I didn't play all the games, but I had fun. My dad decided to talk to his friends about it, and one of his friends had a son who was in those same AL games (we actually played in a game together, Hero of the Troll Wars). Pretty much, the kids 12th or 13th birthday was coming up, and his mother thought it'd be a great idea to get a DM to DM some AL D&D for him. My dad offered me, since I've DMed before, and I eventually agreed.
Time for the session, I decided to run the only AL game he didn't play at the convention. A Map with No Name, pt.3. For that, I brought lvl to pre-gens built using AL standards w/ +1's and everything. He has about 4 friends show up, and his mom plays.
TL:DR Drow with flintlocke pistols (actually in the book) are OP, and caused a total party wipe... besides his mom, who fled on her Tiefling Paladin. I legit killed a kids character and all his friends characters (all but 1 were using my pre-gens, the 1 built a lvl 1 character instead) on the kids own birthday.
I was really nice about it, and one of the kids dad's who was watching even remarked he could tell I was doing all I could to keep them alive. It's also ironically my first TPK.
I even got a 24 pack of Mountain Dew cans for my efforts, and free popcorn from their popcorn machine.
I'd love to hear all these stories from both sides. I once had to railroad someone (albeit the lore sort of set it up) because two members of the party decided they just wanted to split off from the party in their own directions. I did let them know that it was a bit hard for me to manage the party in 3+ fragments. They were showing up to sessions and did seem invested in the campaign...see where I am going here? This is my horror story as a DM (albeit they were fine and we played many more games together) but I feel like those 1-2 sessions were perhaps their horror stories of how their DM railroaded them.
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>my hill dwarf multiclassed wizard/four elements monk has 110 hp and can do up to 66 damage per turn at level 7
>"four elements monks are under powered"
because a purely four elements monk is indeed under powered, they eat up to much ki on spells that are cheaper if you just play a spell caster to start with, almost every other subclass of monk is more effective
That Guy should have been stopped before he got to that point. The GM should not have allowed That guy to roll for persuasion/deception and whatnot and the group should not have taken it lying down.
Refuses to let the player use a monk as the class is deemed overpowered, and allows a wizard instead.
The 3.5 player in me couldn't help but whisper a horrified "oh no".
Damn bro from 1k to 4 k in a few days Congrats man
Thanks! We've been partying like hell on the discord!
Wait, only a few days pass and you multiplied your sub count by FIVE man thats amazing, keep up the good work
Damn, how did your subs just explode so quick? I'm happy for you I love this channel.
Really, any class can be overpowered in certain situations. But I guess some people have to learn the hard way! Great video CritCrab, I'd suggest looking into some more recent stories or something from the discord because I believe I had heard this one before. But regardless your upload consistency is great.
Congratulations on getting monetized by the way!
Thanks! And yes I've been reading through the discord! I am going to upload a discord video soon!
CritCrab: Monks and Rangers are underpowered.
Me who always plays a ranger: Heresy! I'll have your head!
> Nah bro, Four elements monks are totally op.
> Fine then. *Makes a wizard*
Whoa your subs are blowing up, dude! Keep up the awesome work!
"monk is OP, play a wizard instead"
*POP-CORN INTENSIFY*
OP: "he tells me I should switch to evocation because transmutation is basically useless."
Liam O'Brien: Okay, should I use the weird Illadin Stormrage glaives or my huge Caius Ballad sword?
To be fair to the guy, I've been there. You have a super cool battle planned with a villain and having the players kill him in one round can be absolutely devastating. Doesn't explain away the rest of his actions but I feel for him in that instance
"Every NPC tells the party I was kicked out of Transmutation collage because I was annoying." I know the DM was trying to burn the player with this, but I feel this would be the sincerest form of flattery. Especially after that boss monster's ownage.
My players killed two of the main bosses in under an hour (most of that being because one player wasn’t keeping track of spell slots and didn’t know what to do when I informed him he was out of slots) and I didn’t walk out. No, I have a dragon waiting for them to leave the dungeon because I had a feeling they’d derail my fight, being largely spellcasters.
Think ahead and if you can’t, improv.
And *never* be a sore loser.
You can be a competitive player and a great DM.
Just gotta remember DMing is about providing more fun for the players better than anyone else ever could.
"Oh, your table didn't write and epic tale of the fun you all had? Well my table did. HA!"
I would argue that transmutation is more useful than evocation, you get a free special feature from your stone and can switch by casting a spell and a free use of polymorph. Also my old DM complained about me playing a monk, said they were not good to work with groups as they couldn't use support moves. We had a Saladin ranger and druid in our party, I think we needed a pure damage dealer.
I think we have all had problems like this, I had a dm constantly trying to kill a bard I was playing once because I used thunderwave to beat a goblin encounter after luring them all into a tight space on the first day. I still dont know what he had planned but I do know that he kept making sure my character got beat withing an inch of death and eventually to death. He wasn't a terrible dm but also not a great one with some railroading issues and a weird love for a group of goblins which was brought up over the next month or so.
(Edit. Great videos, I was so surprised to see how low your sub count is. Will make sure to share you around to my other friends. Keep it up and I'm sure you'll keep growing definitely deserved my sub)
Guy: Monks are powered
Cleric: Here hold my beer
I regularly cry at my sessions as DM........out of laughter.
I’m new to D&D and when I saw the monk class and that you can use elements I was like “whoa cool.” Then I read it and went “wow that’s not good.”
I was willing to ignore the DM thinking monks are overpowered as I've seen them wreak merry hell on some encounters way above their paygrade, but specifically Four Elements? Wow.
exactly, an open palm if they get lucky can straight up gimp a boss if the DM's dice aren't feeling to kind that particular day, and a shadow is pretty decent dps.......but 4 elements REALLY!?
First off, this is an incompetent DM - he doesn’t know how the magic system works if he can’t figure out how powerful the magic classes in the game are when ranked against each other.
Secondly, this is why I restrict magic usage in games I DM - it tends to get in the way of low/dark fantasy settings I prefer to use.
Well yeah, that's why he plays the "Persusion Bard" when bards have a lot more going for them than Cha based skills.
Should have let him play as the avatar
Um I don't think you should actually force rolls of persuasion and all that kind of stuff between PC's as it would be the own persons reaction
Unless it was a magical spell or something like that?
There's no situation in which your players should be able to use persuasion or persuasion magic on each other, unless it's specifically discussed in session 0.
Persuasion rolls are for abstracting the actual act of persuading an NPC, if you want to persuade a player, you have to talk to them irl and persuade their ass.
GlitchWolf but grappling is fine? Attacks? Slight of hand? Why is that ok?
It’s the uninformed opinion of an edgy player. An expert in persuasion has the same right to have their powers recognized as any other PC. And not have Another PC immune because it makes their player sad.
People seem to get afraid about their „agency“. But a: you only roll when there is a chance. No don’t worry the bard can’t talk you out of your items. And b: you are not your character. Their agency never was in your hand. No you can’t just cut your own hand off, just because you say so. No, you can’t withstand the frightened condition just because you are self proclaimed „afraid of nothing“
If you have an argument with a persuasive character that you admit you could lose, but don’t want to, you metagame. It’s as easy as that.
1. Grappling is literally physically grabbing them.
2. Attacking them sure be prepared to be attacked back
3. Slight of hand that's stealing and if they are unaware than fine
4. If you want to persuade my character than ROLEPLAY not ROLLPLAY it cause you just cant roll your way into making my character do something they dont wanna do
@@squattingheads Well, see, I usually end up running campaigns and I specifically state that there's going to be no pvp of any sort. That includes grappling (except in cases of it being a way to save them that the player accepts), attacks almost always unless it's requested by the player, and slight of hand most definitely (again, barring situations where it helps). If a bard in my campaign was to be an absolute master of persuasion, if they wanted to persuade the other players onto their side, I'd do something different than impersonal rolling. I'd have them start the conversation and *I'd* join the bard's side in the conversation, which is akin to having a super high persuasion if the players realize 'oh shoot he convinced the GM, it must be a good plan'. I'd say it's certainly about player agency, I applaud you for running a game with players who can distance their will from their character's, but my players aren't nearly that well trained, so I just let them overwrite the character's will with their own (makes for some nice lore too at higher levels).
And yeah, an expert in persuasion should have their powers recognized just like any other player, by being able to do it to the NPCs, just like how the bard wouldn't appreciate a fireball to the face, in or out of character, the wizard isn't going to appreciate getting swindled by a member of their own party.
I've been playing RPGs for a while now, usually as the DM, and I really cannot understand why a DM would care about that happening. If crap like that happens its because of one of three things
1. You didn't think about the broken stuff players would have access to at that level
2. You wanted to 'win' against the party
3. The players just got lucky or planned things out really well
No matter what that isn't something to get mad about. The first lets you learn for the future (and play around with some cool encounter ideas when figuring out how to counter it), the second is a mindset no DM should have since they just want to play a game by themselves, and the third is something you should be celebrating with your party.
I always roll my eyes at people thinking deception and persuasion are fucking magical skills that let you do anything.
The only thing I'll give this dm is this: Monks can be annoying lol. I remember an encounter I ran, where a pack of werewolves were attacking the party and tho I knew the party would survive, I didn't expect this monk to go completely untouched lol.
Breaking the Dm is nothing one should strive for
But it does put a smile to my face😈
Cue the “D’oh” and face palm.
I'll never understand these kinds of DM's who think that the NPC's and Badguys are the star of the story. If I was this DM, I would be congratulating the players for performing such a teamwork oriented task, and genuinely be happy for them. The way I always see, is that DM's create worlds for PC's to play in and progress, and see out how well the PC's do
Ranger is underpowered?
Huh. Interesting.
Two rangers utterly destroyed my final boss. Lol
Honestly I feel bad for the GF, this guy is just a childish piece of work.
-Doing everything to get rear, front, side and center as a player.
-Tantrums as soon as something bring a bad memory (even if the guy was ready to concede) or goes wrong
-Petty revenge as soon as available
The whole "No plan b story" part is just a result of his thought process, he couldn't even consider that his story could not go his way. Anyone who has abilities beyond "do what the plot ask" can ruin the story. And any character has at least one.
Someone claiming unironically that four elements monk is overpowered is the most unbelievable part about this story.
This just reminds me of the session I ran as a first time DM where the party one hit KO'd my boss before it even punched it's way out of the tunnel it had dug to reach them. So I just said there was a second one behind it, they killed that quickly enough before having their buts handed to them by the smaller fire beetles that were near by as minions.
It was hilarious we laughed our buts off, 1 hit KO's are part of what makes ttrpgs so great
As someone who has a monk character and a wizard character, this guy was just looking for karma to come kick his ass lmfao
Man, the DM was a big baby.
If you don't want your big boss to die in one round, make mechanics out of it. One thing I like to do is give my major boss fights multiple phases, knock their hit points down to 0 and then you move onto the next phase with a second health bar, gives the fight flow, makes major plays feel awesome as they physically force the boss to change tactics or whatnot, and it prevents the boss fights from feeling anti-climactic.
finally caught up love your vids
The only time I ever allow dice rolls between players is when the characters are trying to hide something that the players already know, in which case I do a basic Deception vs Insight or Sleight of Hand vs Perception. None of this happens without due cause to suspect the character of dishonesty and players can hold onto their suspicions, but can't badger anyone after the dice is rolled.
Screw it being his birthday; DM came out the gate being a brat.
I had a rogue character destroy my whole campaign arc. I had a great epilogue to their first adventure, that was supposed to lead into all sorts of adventures spanning from that. The Rogue did a crazy last minute big risk play and succeeded on a series of ability and skill checks and a bunch of saves (3rd edition Halflings man). I had to replan my entire arc. But damn, I was proud of the guy.
Ah yes, because the wizard that can bend space and time at level 14, and basically live forever at level 17, is much worse than the monk who can only barely do such a thing at level 19.
Bad DM thinks Four Elements monks are overpowered when the general consensus is that they are the exact opposite.
Persuasion/deception vs party member = invitation to PVP.
You can't allow one side of the equation without allowing the other.
Yes. Inside party charisma rolls kills RP and open the door to needless conflict.
I am kinda guilty of this but I play it very carefully. I have one character who acts innocent at first but is actually a Evil aligned serial killer. I use Deception/Performance rolls to act innocent. Then After combat starts, I drop the act.
This sounds bad but I make sure to never do it to the party for the rest of the campaign. Also, my CHA mod isn't that high so if someone suspects anything, they are free to roll Insight and will tell them something is off.
Persuasion/deception rolls vs party member IS PvP, pure and simple, and shouldn't be allowed unless the player is allowed to respond in kind.
It only works if both party members are mature but it doesn’t kill roleplay. I assume if your table is RP heavy you always roleplay out conversations and arguments (with NPCs or otherwise), the dice is only there to determine the result when it’s uncertain.
Deception is fine, persuasion not so much. Insight checks against the deception are fine too, but I’d need a reason for the insight role.
I feel like for this scenario specifically. The player carefully laid out an attack plan that was clever and killed the boss super fast
But the importan part is they were having blast with it! I might be even revived the boss for a second stage just for him to run away in fear. Players are feeling powerful, no modification necessary.
The trying-to-persuade out of everything and screw over other players is bad behavior, but even worse is the DM who allowed it. The previous dm should have just said "He makes a convincing argument that the magical item would be useful for him. However, you are in no way compelled to give it over."
Just stumbled upon your channel, I really like your content! Keep it up! I sure hope I don't land in a D&D group like the ones you talk about XD
Thanks! And yeah as DND grows in popularity so will the weirdos. So hopefully this channel helps deter people from becoming a that guy.
CritCrab Exactly! Not only do your videos serve to entertain, they also call for some healthy self-inquiry. Cheers!
@@brenbail2000 Stay classy brenbail 🥂🦀
Anyone else unsettled with the first one second of silence in this video
"Transmutation Wizard is underpowered" Hilarious! Tell that to my Disintegrate spell, or my Polymorph spell, or my Fabricate spell that can completely annihilate the entire profession of blacksmithing and earn the party filthy amounts of money.
Can you please make longer videos, I need more content to binge while I’m driving. :)
Tangential to the story:
"I wanna DM your one-off" is my new pickup line
It's like, just . . . "Ooohhh"
I once oneshotted a boss, my dm went to cry in the other room... Well he didn't but he said he would. We all got a laught out of it.
Newb to D&D here, only ever DM'd 2 sessions, and these stories make me cringe so hard.... I wanted to be a DM because I want to be kept on my toes about what challenges to create for players. I want my players to make me go "oh shit" I love it when I have a big challenge and someone finds a way to cheese it in a single roll, that's the best part of being a DM! I always get a good laugh at hilarious/unconventional ways of solving problems
Monks start strong but fall off later in the game(coming from someone who REALLY likes punching things to death). Wizards, on the other hand, are the embodiment of "Be careful who you make fun of in middle school."
"Transmutation is basically worthless...." aight imma head out
For my birthday, my DM has a large animated birthday cake fall on my PC. I muscles my way out and ignored it, going straight for the boss. I think our ranger took the cake out 🤔