I am 75, living in Phila, MS..yes, Mississippi. Hail from L.i. NY. First recollection of these newt card was then running on the Astoria Line I the BMT, back in about 1961-62 when they were fairly new and in serviced as "QT/BwayBrighton Local" train routes. They still had a bit of kale green/grey hue to them, as,they shared tracks with the much older AB Standards. Mom was seeing a family doctor there gets. the 30thAve & 39thAve stations off to the west. I rode these cars, by then well-used, badly graffitied, in 1982, when they shared tracks with just-as-bad R16s on the "J" Jamaica/Bway Brklyn Line, catching them @ the Van Siclen Ave/Fulton St station, going into downtown Manhattan cross the Wlmsbrg Bridge. Likes them, they accelerated a bit robustly compared to the heavier R16s. These cars,were used as parts donors before they were scrapped, since this era SMEE cars had,compatible pts for others, even IRT cars! FFarewell to them!! Sam A. Burkes lll
I agree that this would be nice. However, after Hurricane Sandy, the Montague Street Tunnel which the R takes between Manhattan and Brooklyn was rebuilt with slightly angled walls, meaning trains without tapered upper sides, such as the R32 and R42, are unable to pass through the tunnel. Likely no B division car will ever receive a body style like that again.
Thank you for that very interesting video history. I remember the R30 and the IRT redbirds the last time I rode a redbird was in 2003 on the 7 train. R30 and the redbird rip
Just blows my mind big time that nobody knew that the remaining R32s would retire nearly three decades after the R27s/R30s did. The reason is these cars weren’t stainless steel and the R32s were so that made them last 58 years until 2022. Stainless steel is a much sturdier material and the greatest thing is it doesn’t rust like aluminum steel does.
It's crazy how the IRT received thousands of these cars in different configurations,yet the BMT/IND only received the R16/27/30/30a cars. The RedBirds R16 were delivered right to the Eastern Division...while the other units were southern Division cars. Christie st Connection changed that. The cars were moved mostly to the Eastern Division,with 16s moved to Jamaica shops and yards for EE/GG services. The 27/30s were an Eastern Division mainstay, but only ran on the QJ,RJ,JJ. The LL/M operated the very last of the Standard cars,and the newly displaced R7/9 cars. R9 completely took over the LL/M lines,and the following year,began running on the new KK . The cars were basically moved from the QJ in 1972 and placed in M service when the line replaced the QJ along the Brighton line. This was just a revival of the old Southern Division M Nassau St Express line,that operated as the Brighton Express from Chambers st ,over the Manhattan Bridge or the Nassau St cut. The Redbird were completely off the New J line by the tail end of 1976..taken over by the R7/9 cars,while the L ran R16s. 1977 saw the Last original R units operated in J service ,and it's was done quietly. The Redbird again became the mainstay of the Eastern Division, with a splash of 42s thrown in for air conditioning the system. By the time the Archer subway opened, the Redbird cars were rebuilt into the red,black and silver hues . The 40m/42s were rebuilt,also,pressed into J/M /L and new Z service. Afterwards, the Redbird cars were moved to the IND C line,to replace the Thunderbirds R10s. The cars were joined by the R32 GOH to bring air conditioning to the line. The Cars were retired shortly after the R10s...all were basically replaced by the 600 plus R68,68a car order. However, it was ill timed. A severe car shortage happened immediately after the TA miscalculation...one that remained until the R160 cars arrived in full. The 27,30,32 were my favorite cars. Rugged, built to take the grueling day to day task of moving thousands of people. I loved the way they moved. It's was a sad day to see them fade away.
@ believer 5497, agree for most parts. Never unroll lately had i ever heard the post-war IND R10s being referred to as "Thunderbirds". This must be a recent moniker linked to them. I LOVED them about as much as their predecessors, the R9s. Ride them often in late 50s, early 60s as the "A" train. Great cars, well built, dynamic braking, kinda go in summer..yes, they were rather noisy, no bother to me! They accelerated bit better than the R9s, since each truck had 2 traction motors. Then that became the norm, as the SMEE era was ushered in!
@@TRRailfan I rode the R27, 30 and 30As, mostly on the BMT and IND lines. The last place I remember them in passenger service was on the C train. They were all right, but I like certain subway cars more than others.
TRRailfan, if you're asking me, I only rode these well-worn, tagged, neglected cars in aug 1982, while visiting Brklyn relatives,in ENY, nr. the VanSiclen Ave station, on the then "J" line. Likes them, sounded similar to their trackmates, the older R16s, in electropneumatic sounds..Didn't care for the bench-style seating, but was,able to ride up next to the motorman in lead car..loved it..
It is better to take long than to not take any time. Here are some data that may be interesting to you. R27 8020-8135 were equipped with Westinghouse; R27 8136-8249 were equipped with General Electric. R30 8250-8411 were equipped with General Electric, and R30 8412-8569 were equipped with Westinghouse. Like the R26-R28 cars that were on the IRT, now the A Division, the R27 and R30 cars had a different type coupler at the number 2 end with a fourth air connector to allow straight air to travel trainline, thus supplying air from the compressor of the odd-numbered car to the even-numbered car, via straight air pipe.
The R26 and R28 cars had their H2CA couplers removed and drawbars installed during GOH making them similar to their successor R29/R33/R36 cars. However the R27/R30 didn't get the same treatment and kept the couplers on their blind ends until they were scrapped.
@@1575murray I had not paid heed to the overall features of the R-26 and R-28 cars. Also, I remember in the old days of the IRT, some R-26 & R-28 cars, those that were originally equipped with General Electric multiple control systems, were mixed out of numeric sequence in the pairs. As you mentioned that during the renovation of those cars, the R-26 & R-28 cars were furnished with drawbars at their number 2 ends. Also, those cars were linked in numerical order in each pair. The R-27 & R-30 cars were just another phenomenon. The B-Division is more advanced than the A-Division when it comes to rolling stock. Thank you for writing to me.
@@captainkeyboard1007 It was easier to re-link the R26 and R28 cars to their original mates as none of them were ever retired due to wrecks as were the R27 and R30 cars which had some wrecks with one R27 even receiving a replacement end from a wrecked R16. Some others were lost in a fire at Metropolitan Avenue which also destroyed the station platform. There were also some mismatched R33 pairs which were continued through GOH.
@@onlyinnewyork7103 I can tell you from my high school days that in the mid and late 70s the R27s and 30s ran on R (RR) all the time. Might see them occasionally on the N; however the N ran mostly R32s at that time, as did the B. Almost always rode an R with those pink seats.
debatable what that even is do you mean first R-type, the R1? or the first steel subway type, the BMT A/B Type Standard? or the first elevated type, the gate car? or the first rapid transit period? steam locomotives? trolleys? horse cars?
I'm abit saddened to hear that both the R27/R30 were retired early I mean they could of still not of ran without A/C's and would of lasted until 2009 when the R160 rolled out 3 year's prior.
They wouldn’t last until 2009 regardless. The cars were planned to run until 1995 at the minimum, until they retired early due to difficulties with installing AC systems without making the cars heavier. Also running then without AC systems is not an option either, considering how hot the Northeast gets during the summer months, which still rings true today.
That's a big "If"... The cars were heavy weights. Tipping the scales at 85,000 pounds. If a 9 ton AC system was placed on them, they would be way too heavy for the system. The 75ft cars are about 90,000 pounds, even with it's stainless steel exteriors and partial framing. The Newer NTT cars are almost as heavy as the R27/30s, With HVAC.. The cars were tired. Not all of the R30s/30a cars were given the full GOH treatment. Some were just cleaned up and painted. At the end,all remaining cars were sent to the C line... and retired from service there. The 32s were slowly coming over from the N, with both the A and C using the cars. The rebuilt R38s and 44s were also placed in A and C service, with the 44 exclusive to the A since the mid 80s. The H began using all available equipment out of Pitkin yard and Shops. The MTA retired the old Red birds way too fast, because they believed that with new and rebuilt cars, there would be less breakdowns, increased reliability.. and less depending on " spares". That proved to be short lived. A car shortage soon developed,as the rebuilt cars turned out to be somewhat problematic, spending more time in the shops than anticipated. Some relief was sent in the form of the R143 NTTs. Built specifically for the Eastern Division, but more for the Canarsie CBTC signal system..these cars displaced the R40 and R40m cars to the Southern Division. This gave the system a little more wriggle room, but with the increase in ridership, the relief was short lived. The MTA decided to rush the next car order, and divide the contract between two builders to have all the cars in service within 5 to 7 years. This was done to retire the 1960s rolling stock that was aging out, even after rebuilding. The R160s were built to replace several car orders. The R32(all except 200 plus cars),38,40,40m,42(all except 50 cars) and R44s were removed from service as the new R160s arrived. But Even this wasn't enough. The MTA retired the R44s because of body rot.. which is why the older railcars were retained until replacement was possible. The MTA did not have the funding for a third option order to replace the 44s, so they waited until funds were available to purchase the R179s. The new cars were problematic from the very beginning.. and it took several years to get the cars in full working order Once they were dependable, the MTA retired the 32/42 cars. These cars were put in service on the A,C,J and Z lines starting in 2017, years late. The R46,yeoman cars that served the system since 1975, were beginning to show their age, and were scheduled for replacement in the early 2010s. The new R211s were designed in 2011...put out from building by 2019. The first cars came in 2021.. testing took 18 months.. and placed in service on the A line. The cars were removed from service almost a month later because of propulsion issues. They are Still out of service, but many production cars have been delivered, even 15 Gangway equipped cars. The 211s are expected to replace the 46s by 2028, with an additional contract to replace the 68s hot on their heels. The R27/30s are missed. I wish the MTA would design a car that looks like the 27/30s, updated to NTT standards.. I guess the cars would look similar to the R142/188s...a little wider and longer.
Your correct but ruclips.net/video/MNLGdUQH_5U/видео.html go to 2:20 there is a r27/30 that is fully white and it could be just painted for a movie? I never knew about this
@@TRRailfan The R30 cars that were spared for the timebeing were 8250-8569. When they were remodeled at 207 Street shop, the motor generators were replaced by Toshiba converters of the even-numbered cars.
@@TRRailfan Closer to the R26/28, they were built by ACF were delivered starting around 1959. The R27/30 were built by St Louis car company and delivered starting in 1960. Both classes of cars were painted in Pullman green(olive) and interiors were blue and gray with light pink fiber glass seats. My understanding was the R26/28 were first placed in service on the 6 line which then freed up some R17s which were transferred to the 7th Ave line.
Until 1967, none of the cars had air conditioning. They did plan on having R30s refitted with air conditioners, but it would’ve made the cars heavier and would’ve been too costly.
@@aaronsamuel2823 Budgeting issues. They only have so much money to deal with. Plus at around that time, they may have made some service adjustments to accommodate ridership changes (such as cutting back the C to Euclid Avenue). The R143 cars were eventually delivered in 2001 to provide replacement cars.
St Louis car company should of ceased service in 1969 and they shouldn't have built the R44 budd car company which added stainless steel are the real reason why they last longer
Also please don't get mad if I say this St Louis car company they suck they always add cheap ass carbon steel and that's why they get rusty fast Just like the R38 R40, and R44
The MTA does things wrong they should keep old trains that are in good condition and when they get in bad condition order new trains and scrap the old ones
The MTA looks for the cheapest option. At that point they knew it would be expensive and challenging to install air conditioning on the cars and they knew ridership was on a decline, so they made the decision to retire them.
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I am 75, living in Phila, MS..yes, Mississippi. Hail from L.i. NY. First recollection of these newt card was then running on the Astoria Line I the BMT, back in about 1961-62 when they were fairly new and in serviced as "QT/BwayBrighton Local" train routes. They still had a bit of kale green/grey hue to them, as,they shared tracks with the much older AB Standards. Mom was seeing a family doctor there gets. the 30thAve & 39thAve stations off to the west. I rode these cars, by then well-used, badly graffitied, in 1982, when they shared tracks with just-as-bad R16s on the "J" Jamaica/Bway Brklyn Line, catching them @ the Van Siclen Ave/Fulton St station, going into downtown Manhattan cross the Wlmsbrg Bridge. Likes them, they accelerated a bit robustly compared to the heavier R16s. These cars,were used as parts donors before they were scrapped, since this era SMEE cars had,compatible pts for others, even IRT cars! FFarewell to them!!
Sam A. Burkes lll
Goodmorning and Thanks for the Histroy lesson on the R-27/30 the Redbirds of the IND/ BMT Divsons!!!
Great, I learned a lot. I would have let you borrow my footage of the R30 fantrip.
I watched your footage, loved it! Thanks for the offer but I don’t think it would really fit into the video.
Love the body style of the R27,30,30a cars.
I wish the TA would recreate the style wish updated features ( basically looking like an larger R142).
I agree that this would be nice. However, after Hurricane Sandy, the Montague Street Tunnel which the R takes between Manhattan and Brooklyn was rebuilt with slightly angled walls, meaning trains without tapered upper sides, such as the R32 and R42, are unable to pass through the tunnel. Likely no B division car will ever receive a body style like that again.
Thank you for that very interesting video history. I remember the R30 and the IRT redbirds the last time I rode a redbird was in 2003 on the 7 train. R30 and the redbird rip
Just blows my mind big time that nobody knew that the remaining R32s would retire nearly three decades after the R27s/R30s did. The reason is these cars weren’t stainless steel and the R32s were so that made them last 58 years until 2022. Stainless steel is a much sturdier material and the greatest thing is it doesn’t rust like aluminum steel does.
4:24 I see Trap IF on the Grand st shuttle (Smurfy GLK can't be far behind). Big shout out Dine DST and Vec4 PSK.
Miss the graffiti on the NYC subway. Tags, pieces, whole cars burners etc. Graffiti Never Dies!!
R27 & R30 are one of the most if not the most interesting SMEE trains
*REDBIRDS ARE REDBIRDS*
@@Boypogikami132 rare Redbirds
It's crazy how the IRT received thousands of these cars in different configurations,yet the BMT/IND only received the R16/27/30/30a cars.
The RedBirds R16 were delivered right to the Eastern Division...while the other units were southern Division cars.
Christie st Connection changed that.
The cars were moved mostly to the Eastern Division,with 16s moved to Jamaica shops and yards for EE/GG services.
The 27/30s were an Eastern Division mainstay, but only ran on the QJ,RJ,JJ.
The LL/M operated the very last of the Standard cars,and the newly displaced R7/9 cars.
R9 completely took over the LL/M lines,and the following year,began running on the new KK .
The cars were basically moved from the QJ in 1972 and placed in M service when the line replaced the QJ along the Brighton line.
This was just a revival of the old Southern Division M Nassau St Express line,that operated as the Brighton Express from Chambers st ,over the Manhattan Bridge or the Nassau St cut.
The Redbird were completely off the New J line by the tail end of 1976..taken over by the R7/9 cars,while the L ran R16s.
1977 saw the Last original R units operated in J service ,and it's was done quietly.
The Redbird again became the mainstay of the Eastern Division, with a splash of 42s thrown in for air conditioning the system.
By the time the Archer subway opened, the Redbird cars were rebuilt into the red,black and silver hues .
The 40m/42s were rebuilt,also,pressed into J/M /L and new Z service.
Afterwards, the Redbird cars were moved to the IND C line,to replace the Thunderbirds R10s.
The cars were joined by the R32 GOH to bring air conditioning to the line.
The Cars were retired shortly after the R10s...all were basically replaced by the 600 plus R68,68a car order.
However, it was ill timed.
A severe car shortage happened immediately after the TA miscalculation...one that remained until the R160 cars arrived in full.
The 27,30,32 were my favorite cars.
Rugged, built to take the grueling day to day task of moving thousands of people.
I loved the way they moved.
It's was a sad day to see them fade away.
@ believer 5497, agree for most parts. Never unroll lately had i ever heard the post-war IND R10s being referred to as "Thunderbirds". This must be a recent moniker linked to them. I LOVED them about as much as their predecessors, the R9s. Ride them often in late 50s, early 60s as the "A" train. Great cars, well built, dynamic braking, kinda go in summer..yes, they were rather noisy, no bother to me! They accelerated bit better than the R9s, since each truck had 2 traction motors. Then that became the norm, as the SMEE era was ushered in!
❤❤❤❤ train
Deferred maintenance took its toll on this fleet
Damn I worked on a Redbird when I went to Transit Tech for highschool..It was cool just seeing that
transit tech student 🗿
Amazing video!
6:08 it can be seen at Coney Island yard
I remember the R27, 30 and 30As in passenger service. I still see an R30, being used as a Rail Adhesion car, coupled to R32s.
Which routes did you take the cars on? What did you like/dislike about them?
@@TRRailfan I rode the R27, 30 and 30As, mostly on the BMT and IND lines. The last place I remember them in passenger service was on the C train. They were all right, but I like certain subway cars more than others.
Which subway cars were your favorites?
@@TRRailfan My favorite subway cars are the R1 to 9s, R32s and Worlds Fair R33s and 36s.
TRRailfan, if you're asking me, I only rode these well-worn, tagged, neglected cars in aug 1982, while visiting Brklyn relatives,in ENY, nr. the VanSiclen Ave station, on the then "J" line. Likes them, sounded similar to their trackmates, the older R16s, in electropneumatic sounds..Didn't care for the bench-style seating, but was,able to ride up next to the motorman in lead car..loved it..
Fun Fact: The Last R27s ran in 1989 as unrebuilt R27s.
Once you mentioned how these cars were used for movies, they were featured in the movie "Carlito's Way".
..Yes, also in one of the "Die Hard" movies, and the "Money Train".
It is better to take long than to not take any time. Here are some data that may be interesting to you. R27 8020-8135 were equipped with Westinghouse; R27 8136-8249 were equipped with General Electric. R30 8250-8411 were equipped with General Electric, and R30 8412-8569 were equipped with Westinghouse. Like the R26-R28 cars that were on the IRT, now the A Division, the R27 and R30 cars had a different type coupler at the number 2 end with a fourth air connector to allow straight air to travel trainline, thus supplying air from the compressor of the odd-numbered car to the even-numbered car, via straight air pipe.
Thanks for the info!
@@TRRailfan You are welcome. I am sorry that I did not give you a lot of information as you deserve.
The R26 and R28 cars had their H2CA couplers removed and drawbars installed during GOH making them similar to their successor R29/R33/R36 cars. However the R27/R30 didn't get the same treatment and kept the couplers on their blind ends until they were scrapped.
@@1575murray I had not paid heed to the overall features of the R-26 and R-28 cars. Also, I remember in the old days of the IRT, some R-26 & R-28 cars, those that were originally equipped with General Electric multiple control systems, were mixed out of numeric sequence in the pairs. As you mentioned that during the renovation of those cars, the R-26 & R-28 cars were furnished with drawbars at their number 2 ends. Also, those cars were linked in numerical order in each pair. The R-27 & R-30 cars were just another phenomenon. The B-Division is more advanced than the A-Division when it comes to rolling stock. Thank you for writing to me.
@@captainkeyboard1007 It was easier to re-link the R26 and R28 cars to their original mates as none of them were ever retired due to wrecks as were the R27 and R30 cars which had some wrecks with one R27 even receiving a replacement end from a wrecked R16. Some others were lost in a fire at Metropolitan Avenue which also destroyed the station platform. There were also some mismatched R33 pairs which were continued through GOH.
6:34. Interesting the roll sign has the old #7 designation for the Franklin shuttle
Could you do history on what train models were assigned to what route ??
I could. It might be pretty difficult, maybe i’ll focus on one time period, like before/after the R160s.
@@TRRailfan OK
@@onlyinnewyork7103 I can tell you from my high school days that in the mid and late 70s the R27s and 30s ran on R (RR) all the time. Might see them occasionally on the N; however the N ran mostly R32s at that time, as did the B. Almost always rode an R with those pink seats.
Yay a new video
I love video
Are you gonna do the history of the crosstown line or queens bivd line
For a movie called “Money Train” They used a R30 Redbird Not a Actuall IRT Redbird.
They do use IRT Redbirds in some parts
At 5:31 do you mean the R143s??
When the R143s first arrived, the subway was still at a shortage, despite R40 Slants, R40 Mods, and R42s being sent to other lines from L Route.
you forgot they also replaced the bmt experimental fleet the bluebird and the muits to
Can you do a history video about the first ever train NYC subway launched?
debatable what that even is
do you mean first R-type, the R1?
or the first steel subway type, the BMT A/B Type Standard?
or the first elevated type, the gate car?
or the first rapid transit period? steam locomotives? trolleys? horse cars?
@@TRRailfan I mean the R1 the one at the Transit museum I think
eh
I'm pretty busy
try to get a smaller channel to do it
@@TRRailfan that was unexpected
This is a Really nice man what is the Name of the music in the video
Not sure, it’s from a massive playlist of copyright free music, “Chill/Ambient” on the channel “HearWeGo”
Are you gonna the history of the R42/R40Ms
The R 27/30 did not retire the D type. The R32 did.
Hey what the song name?
I'm abit saddened to hear that both the R27/R30 were retired early I mean they could of still not of ran without A/C's and would of lasted until 2009 when the R160 rolled out 3 year's prior.
They wouldn’t last until 2009 regardless. The cars were planned to run until 1995 at the minimum, until they retired early due to difficulties with installing AC systems without making the cars heavier. Also running then without AC systems is not an option either, considering how hot the Northeast gets during the summer months, which still rings true today.
That's a big "If"...
The cars were heavy weights.
Tipping the scales at 85,000 pounds.
If a 9 ton AC system was placed on them, they would be way too heavy for the system.
The 75ft cars are about 90,000 pounds, even with it's stainless steel exteriors and partial framing.
The Newer NTT cars are almost as heavy as the R27/30s, With HVAC..
The cars were tired.
Not all of the R30s/30a cars were given the full GOH treatment.
Some were just cleaned up and painted.
At the end,all remaining cars were sent to the C line... and retired from service there.
The 32s were slowly coming over from the N, with both the A and C using the cars.
The rebuilt R38s and 44s were also placed in A and C service, with the 44 exclusive to the A since the mid 80s.
The H began using all available equipment out of Pitkin yard and Shops.
The MTA retired the old Red birds way too fast, because they believed that with new and rebuilt cars, there would be less breakdowns, increased reliability.. and less depending on " spares".
That proved to be short lived.
A car shortage soon developed,as the rebuilt cars turned out to be somewhat problematic, spending more time in the shops than anticipated.
Some relief was sent in the form of the R143 NTTs.
Built specifically for the Eastern Division, but more for the Canarsie CBTC signal system..these cars displaced the R40 and R40m cars to the Southern Division.
This gave the system a little more wriggle room, but with the increase in ridership, the relief was short lived.
The MTA decided to rush the next car order, and divide the contract between two builders to have all the cars in service within 5 to 7 years.
This was done to retire the 1960s rolling stock that was aging out, even after rebuilding.
The R160s were built to replace several car orders.
The R32(all except 200 plus cars),38,40,40m,42(all except 50 cars) and R44s were removed from service as the new R160s arrived.
But Even this wasn't enough.
The MTA retired the R44s because of body rot.. which is why the older railcars were retained until replacement was possible.
The MTA did not have the funding for a third option order to replace the 44s, so they waited until funds were available to purchase the R179s.
The new cars were problematic from the very beginning.. and it took several years to get the cars in full working order
Once they were dependable, the MTA retired the 32/42 cars.
These cars were put in service on the A,C,J and Z lines starting in 2017, years late.
The R46,yeoman cars that served the system since 1975, were beginning to show their age, and were scheduled for replacement in the early 2010s.
The new R211s were designed in 2011...put out from building by 2019.
The first cars came in 2021.. testing took 18 months.. and placed in service on the A line.
The cars were removed from service almost a month later because of propulsion issues.
They are Still out of service, but many production cars have been delivered, even 15 Gangway equipped cars.
The 211s are expected to replace the 46s by 2028, with an additional contract to replace the 68s hot on their heels.
The R27/30s are missed.
I wish the MTA would design a car that looks like the 27/30s, updated to NTT standards..
I guess the cars would look similar to the R142/188s...a little wider and longer.
Ah yes, the other redbirds.
The forgotten redbirds
Still feeling a bit bad since the St Louis car company doesn’t make their trains anymore :C
Oh my god, son... Your voice is changing like crazy.
yes
nice video
A 15 train PIC!?
At one point the r27 was painted white
Only select IRT Redbirds types were painted white. No BMT Redbird types ever wore any paint schemes other than those discussed in the video.
Your correct but
ruclips.net/video/MNLGdUQH_5U/видео.html
go to 2:20 there is a r27/30 that is fully white and it could be just painted for a movie? I never knew about this
Yes those are scenes from movies so it was probably for that.
@@Railsmoke03 you are welcome to come over and get some rest
What’s a school car
I wish at least 1 R27 was kept but sadly all were scrapped witch make no sense to me
All were scrapped because several R30s were saved. The car types were identical so it made no sense to save any R27s.
@@TRRailfan The R30 cars that were spared for the timebeing were 8250-8569. When they were remodeled at 207 Street shop, the motor generators were replaced by Toshiba converters of the even-numbered cars.
@@TRRailfan But I'm sure theres diffences between the R30's and 27's, so at least 1 pair (2 cars) should have been saved
Also the R11's were build by Budd (idk why I'm saying this but yea)
Sadly these trains were not as popular as their IRT counterparts.
They never got a chance to be popular. We were retired too early.
And their IRT counterparts were of course the R26/28.
Were they closer to the 26/28 or the 29/33/36?
@@TRRailfan Closer to the R26/28, they were built by ACF were delivered starting around 1959. The R27/30 were built by St Louis car company and delivered starting in 1960. Both classes of cars were painted in Pullman green(olive) and interiors were blue and gray with light pink fiber glass seats. My understanding was the R26/28 were first placed in service on the 6 line which then freed up some R17s which were transferred to the 7th Ave line.
You remind me alot of AmtrakGuy365, but for the MTA.
That was my goal! Thanks!
@@TRRailfan you did a hell of a job, i watch both of you guys.
Music needs to be mixed in much softer during narration. It's annoying.
THE R27S AND R30S DID NOT REPLACE AL LOW V
IN 2013 SEPTEMBER 21 I WAS BORN
MTA should of thinked before ordering R27/R30 because R26, R28 had air conditioning I think. MTA needs to think cheaper
Until 1967, none of the cars had air conditioning. They did plan on having R30s refitted with air conditioners, but it would’ve made the cars heavier and would’ve been too costly.
@@TheRailLeaguer that's why MTA are stupid why didn't they think before
@@TheRailLeaguer I would of rode it before. I'm 15 now so I guess their retirement would of been this year
@@aaronsamuel2823 Budgeting issues. They only have so much money to deal with.
Plus at around that time, they may have made some service adjustments to accommodate ridership changes (such as cutting back the C to Euclid Avenue).
The R143 cars were eventually delivered in 2001 to provide replacement cars.
@@TheRailLeaguer They R143 only replaced R40/A and R42 on the L train
R33 retired in 2003 probably because of structural issues or something
They were just old.
St Louis car company should of ceased service in 1969 and they shouldn't have built the R44 budd car company which added stainless steel are the real reason why they last longer
another 15 train pic
Also please don't get mad if I say this St Louis car company they suck they always add cheap ass carbon steel and that's why they get rusty fast Just like the R38 R40, and R44
So you’re just going to Abandon us for a week
You realize I have things to do in my life other than make videos? I have school and stuff...
@@TRRailfan But for a week
@@epicjeterny2452 these videos aren’t a 1 day thing, they take a long time to make. I just couldn’t find the time. Sorry
@@TRRailfan oh ok
@@TRRailfan don't apologize. This person is impatient.
Also all R179's should be scrapped there no point to keep them if they keep getting taken out of service
You joking, right? You would create systemwide subway car shortages if you do that.
@@TheRailLeaguer I meant all R179's deserve to be scrapped when they are done in like 40 yeard
@@turtleeater3827 More like 45 years.
@BaconUnique125 I said I ment all R179's deserve to be scrapped when there done in like 40 to 50 years
@BaconUnique125 Yes thats what I mean
The MTA does things wrong they should keep old trains that are in good condition and when they get in bad condition order new trains and scrap the old ones
The MTA looks for the cheapest option. At that point they knew it would be expensive and challenging to install air conditioning on the cars and they knew ridership was on a decline, so they made the decision to retire them.
They don’t do things wrong. Every car has a lifespan of 45-50 years so they are mandated to order new cars for replacement.