Changes In BMT Routes Before & After The Chrystie St Connection
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- Опубликовано: 14 июл 2024
- This track connection opened in 1967 and 1968 and merged the IND and BMT divisions into one B division. In this video, we discuss the changes that were made to BMT routes when the connection opened.
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Chapters:
0:00 Intro
0:16 Prologue
1:58 Southern Division Pre-Chrystie
3:24 Eastern Division Pre-Chrystie
5:21 Chrystie St Connection Opens
5:48 Southern Division Post-Chrystie
7:28 Eastern Division Post-Chrystie
8:34 Epilogue
9:15 Outro 
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And that's how Chambers Street Station was neglected.
This is where i learned all of my MTA! thanks for doing all this. I am so greatful that you can do this.
Thanks!!
@@TRRailfan no problem. You are seriously underrated
As I recall there was a short period of time after the Christie St connection opened, but before the 6th ave IND-Essex St connection opened. During this period there was no KK. Instead there was a JJ that ran skip stop with the QJ during rush hours, ran local from Eastern Parkway to Essex St and terminated at Canal Street. There was also an RJ that ran during rush hours from 95th St all the way to 168th St Jamaica. Later on the RJ became the Chambers St RR trains . When the 6th Ave IND - Essex street connection opened the KK replaced the JJ.
After the KK was discontinued around 1978, the 6th Ave IND-Essex street connection was unused for decades, until the arrival of the Orange M
Correct!
in 1973 the KK was changed to K and it was scrapped in 1976
Actually, the 6th Avenue Broadway Brooklyn K line service ended in 1976.
D trains did in fact run express along the Brighton line on weekdays from approximately 6:00 AM to 8:00 PM. At first, they ran all the way to Coney Island, with the QB and QJ terminating at Brighton Beach, but due to delays caused by switching maneuvers, they swapped terminals on August 19, 1968. D trains terminated at Brighton Beach when they ran express, and all the way to Coney Island during evenings, nights and weekends.
You are correct. I have pinned a message with the correction. Thank you for the info.
Back then, they were prob. still running R1/R9 prewar subway cars..the "scary sounding" ones! Lol!
@@samburkes7552 You could still find the IND old timers on the D, but after Chrystie St., the R-32s took over base service. They made the CPW express dash look easy.
Your presentation was very enlightening.
Sounded bureaucratically complicated back in the day.
Luckily for me, I rode the IRT.
(The way things are sliding - one day to be officially called "the red line', ) 🤠
Amazing videos you make
The KK IND 6th Avenue Line linked up at Essex Street and traveled over BMT Broadway Jamaica Line. It was the 1st appearance of the R1 through R9 IND Cars on this portion of the BMT Eastern Division. This was in 1968.
The 1 Brighton was changed to the Q Lines including QB or Q via Bridge and QJ or Q via Jamaica, hence 1 Via Bridgw and 1 via Jamaica. In the case of QJ, this United the Eastern and Southern Divisions of the BMT. The 2 Train became known as RR & RJ.The RJ traveled from 4th Avenue to Jamaica also uniting BMT Eastern and BMT Southern Divisions.
Before the 1967 service changes the 2 Fourth Avenue Local (after 1960 the RR) only ran through the 11th St. connector to Forest Hills on weekdays. During late night hours and on weekends it terminated at 57th St. After being routed to Astoria full time for some years it switched terminals with the N in order to eliminate wasteful deadhead operation due to the lack of a yard at either end of the route. Today only the section from 95th St. to Whitehall St. operates 24/7. It rivals the J as one of the slowest routes in the system.
Actually the D ran express in Brooklyn during and between rush hours, while the QJ provided the bulk of the local service.
Once again thank you for the history lesson...I was always wondering why the number trains were used on the BMT lines in those years...keep up the excellent work!!!
Growing up on L.I., visiting relatives in E.N.Y, Brklyn, was familiar with the then "15/Jamaica Local" BMT el over Fulton St/Jamaica Ave.
.Also the "16/14thSt Canarsie Line". Respect. became the "J" and "LL" trains, using AB Standards and R16s.
The actual assignment of letters to the BMT lines began in 1960 when new R-27 cars were purchased and continued to the R-30 and R-32 and all the cars that were purchased afterwards. However R-16 cars which ran on the BMT Eastern Division continued to use the old number system until the 1967-68 service changes required them to have new signs installed which had letter designations.
I. love the intro
Wow!
Interesting
The QJ is my favorite
I remember the 14 and 15 that ran on Broadway in Brooklyn.
What cars did they generally use?
Dude..the D opened express along the Brighton during the weekdays,peak and midday till about 8pm.
QJ/QB were local,with QJ OPERATING WEEKDAYS 6AM TO 8PM QB OPERATING IN ONE DIRECTION WITH LIMITED TRAINS SERVING BROADWAY.
The KILLER K was a Beast. Worse than the Duce when it operated from New Lots to WP Rd Bx
❤️the videos!!!! will you have videos on the subway stations that are no longer available in nyc?!
Glad you enjoyed? Do you mean abandoned stations?
@trainrider railfan-nycsubway Yes!
@@dominicanamariposa21 great! I already have several videos on abandoned stations! Check my Mini-Documentaries slideshow on my channel page and you should be able to find some!
@@TRRailfan okay thank you 😊
Goodmorning and Thank-you for the History lesson. Did you that the christie street conect is in service today the M train now use it .I just wished that the Jamaica line J or z could've revibe the k from parson Blvd Jamaica Center to 9 ave Brookyln running rush hours!!!
You should do a video of all not in service subway line BMT and IND subway line
currently working on one about the BMT elevated lines
The QB is identical to the present day (Q) line (except for the Second Av line obvs)
I remember someone saying that the L used to have more stops then 14 St to Rkwy Pkwy.
Well it wasn’t called the L back then, but it used to run to Canarsie Pier
@@TRRailfan yea I think it was the 16?
@@bullymaguire6168Yes, betw that, it was the "LL", prior to routes going to single letters.
Great video. How long does it take to make a video?
This one took about 3 days. I've had the last few days off so I spent several hours each day on it. It's pretty fun so I don't mind it taking so long.
Awesome, I was thinking of making a channel about history but I was concerned over time as I have a lot of work for school and small free time after. Thank you :-)
One error that I heard was no express along the Brighton Line as it was not needed. Not true, the D was the Brighton Express starting on November 27,1967 and terminated at Coney Island while the QJ and QB were the locals terminating at Brighton Beach. This was the weekday service.
Yes, that is correct! The D was express on Brighton in 1967 but when the second connection opened, it began local service instead. As I said at the start of the video, I focused on the service after the second connection opened as that is when the connection project was complete.
@@TRRailfan The D train ran as a Brighton Express from 1967 to April 1986 when the reconstruction of the Brighton line began. From August 19, 1968 until 1986 the D express terminated at Brighton Beach weekdays, other times Brighton Local to Coney Island.
Oh, I guess I must’ve been looking at the weekend service rather than weekday. Thanks for the correction.
I remember the 14/15 lines. Wish l had a time machine.
..Yeah, forgot to mention every once in a while a train of BMT R16s had the end roll signs showing "14/Bway-Bklyn"..Went fr. Eastern Pkwy(2 stations down fr. Van Siclen Ave, where relatives lived), to Canal St. Never rode that route. Just the "15/Jamaica" trains...Will always love my old NYCTA memories!!
@@samburkes7552 ppl actually look at me like l am crazy when l tell them the 'J' used to be the '15'. I would purposely get LOST on the train just to find my way home!
@@oluhamilton2121 Yeah, wow, same here!!. Believe that all changed later in the year we left NY, in 1967. The Chrystie St Connection opened that November. The "15" became the "J", along with other route/line designation changes.. We were already in Tucson, AZ. by then. Was doing my Sr. yr. in h.s. over!! Yes, I hear/understand/empathize with you. Visited my surviving relatives in E. N.Y. in 1982..Made it a point to take at least 3 subway excursions while there for 10 days..Don't really think they were too fond of that..
@@samburkes7552That was when the trains looked like burrowing animals, with the exception of the newly minted Redbirds. Sometimes it took me 2-3 hours to get home, cause the trains were a LOT safer in those days.
So the NX was practically the QB
Very short-lived route..
The NX was actually the Sea Beach Super Express. It ran rush hours only from 57 St over the Broadway line, Manhattan Bridge and seldom used Sea Beach express track. As far as I know it was the only train that ran through the Coney Island Stillwell Ave. station without terminating on its way to Brighton Beach.
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