Please do a build with the VK56! Have this motor in my Titan and love it! This motor gets almost no love here in the states, and has very little aftermarket.
I bought my '05 Titan new and I have flogged the crap out of it. At least 400 passes at the dragstrip and I've towed so much with it the hitch pin hole is egg shaped. 260k miles and she just won't give up. I thought there was just Jim Wolf for our platform but Hartley has some awfully nice stuff for the VK. Nice to see this great engine getting a second life Down Under. That carb intake with a Holley Sniper under the hood of my Titan turning 8500rpm and a VQ40 6 speed manual behind it would be so badass.
Nissan has always been a monster engine builder. Love the 5.6. Its crazy what that CVT did to their brand. Without that, we might have a real competitor to Toyota.
Sorry for replying to your comment 5 months after the fact but none of the V8s are paired with a CVT and you are very much right on the money and its not the CVT transmission but rather the brand of CVT transmission that Nissan took too long to get off unlike other brands. nearly all the FWD Sedans are running CVTs now unless its a sporty car like VW Golf, Hyundai N line and the likes will have a DCT. I think some of the newer fords run DCT which is cool but most lower power-output Sedans are running CVTS (Honda, Toyota, Nissan all do it). If you are in a country that has the Infiniti Brand that is the true Nissan design we all love but saddly have the higher badge pricing. I still miss my I30 from 2000 that had nearly 400,000km on it with all originals
@@GoodEnoughGarage69 I never said there was idiot. I said that in a separate sentence implying I was talking about a different topic. Maybe you dropped out of school, but this is how language works. The CVT transmission that was used in compact cars in the 90s and early 2000s ruined Nissan's otherwise great reputation. Is that compensable to your lower intellect?
When Nelson came up on screen, I mused to myself "Hmm, this guy looks a lot like Brendon Hartley." The next thought was "Wait, isn't Brendon Hartley from New Zealand?" They're brothers!
As an independent mechanic for many years, im pretty much like Nelson. Im not extremely loyal to any brand, and thus can truly respect good engineering when i experience it. Everytime ive ever test drove a Titan with the 5.6L its been a surprisingly strong fast engine. I've been impressed several times.
I could listen to Nelson talk for hours, so much knowledge and he knows how to present it. Any thoughts on the UR engines from Toyota tho? The UZ is getting quite old, and the 1UR, 2UR and 3UR should potentially be quite good?
The UR engines are simply a better UZ in every single way except that it's an open deck engine. Most would give up on it due to the open deck but I've pushed my built open deck engine to +1000 whp with the stock crank and cams and it still wanted to push out more HP if I gave it more boost. With the open deck design, overheating the engine is almost impossible too. Unfortunately, the UR series is basically non-existent in Australia/New Zealand. I bet it would be on par or better than the VK engines if Nelson gave it a chance.
The Nissan V8 Supercar engine was a de-stroked vk56, and the Kelly Boys dropped one into their Ski Racing boat for a while, it was an absolute jet down the river with two blokes clinging on for all they we were worth.
A lot of people are dropping the VK 56 in Frontiers here in the states. It is a pretty straight forward swap from what I am seeing on the U-tubes. I am quite happy with my VQ 40 in my Gen 2 Frontier at almost 200.000 Never been in for repairs since new. Wife just picked up a new 22 Frontier. I would love to see one built with the VK56 It's a super good looking truck. IMO.
This video is sensational. Two motors I know very little about. But visiting New Zealand I couldn't believe the prevalence of these Japanese V8's in vehicles at car events... barely seen a highly developed one here in Australia until the Skid Factory embarked on this built.
Agreed this VK version was the old VK56DE. The later version VK56VD with variable Valve lift against the toyota 5.7. The 1uz should have been compared to the VH45 from nissan.
I've got a nissan armada, big suv in America using the 5.6L, use it to tow my sailboat and friends to races. It's screamer even in a big truck like that. Always wondered what its potential was. Really cool.
It blows my mind everytime hearing such cool and detailed information from a young guy. Could listen to Nelson talk shit forever. Im assuming they havent played with UR engines?
Yeah, same here. Very impressed with that young fella. Seriously educated guy. Sounds like most of that education is from experience too, which is almost bizarre.
In light of the scooby doo reference I’d wager Nelson would make a great shaggy. And if he was would millsy be Fred and would the bedford be the mystery machine?
Awesome video, heaps of cool information. I owned a 1UZ Toyota back in the day and currently drive a VK Nissan, they are both phenomenal motors. But to compare the two is a little loaded. The 1UZ was developed in the late 80s, the VK didn't hit the road until 2002! To compare apple's with apple's, put the Nissan VK up against the Toyota UR (introduced in 2006). Thats a 'head to head' I love to see happen. Probably wont happen though, the UR just isn't common enough to be viable swap or used in race application.
I reckon I might have to do some googling for Hartley’s shop. That one at the end sounded wild and I’ve got a place for one, if I ever finish this damn Capri
Same here. '05 since new. 258k miles with 200+ passes at the dragstrip (high 13s with cold air, headers and tune at 5300 lbs) and dragging trailers everywhere since day one. Even though she's slowed down a bit, I'm still impressed when I jump in it after it sitting for a couple of weeks at her quickness and responsiveness. When the motor goes, I'll pat her on the dash and start looking for a new engine. She's been looking rough for a while now but I hit a deer recently so that's my excuse to fix some dings and get her a new coat of paint and wheels. Can't wait to see her all spiffed up.
I'd love to see a breakdown between a bunch of motors, notably the 2UR-GSE vs the 3UZ, vs the VK56DE and VK45VE, but also against something like a 5L Coyote and a Chev LT motor (not the old C4 Corvette LT1, but the newer C7 LT1/LT4). Understandably getting hold of an LT1, a 2UR and a VK45VE down here would be a bit hard to do
Happy to see we have Japanese equivalents for V8 engines, in my youth I only remember either European V8's or American V8's. There were no Japanese Competitor's for the V8 market.
Best in the world with real life experience and knowledge. Love that these boys are in Australia and love how they do there own stuff. As a proud owner of many nissan cars including a Hako i think what they are doing with the hulkasuka is awsome. Screw the haters its all about content and these guys bring it in spades. OGJDM
awsome vid boys! awsome to see kiwis are still developing engines and parts to push motorsport further! also good on you 2 for getting in behind movember! good stuff brothers
I have owned both. Defiantly more impressed with the Toyota. Very strong pull from just off idle to redline. I will say that the Nissan felt more powerful than its rating. The Nissan was also notorious for cracked manifolds. I never got around to doing the headers and tune which is supposed to wake up the engine quite a bit. The Toyota has been a straight workhorse for the last 5 years. I have only done oil and filter changes. This year I will flush all of the coolant for its first service other than the oil. No complaints what so ever.
It's kind of hard to get information on these engines, so i'm very happy for this ! I'd be interested in having the same kind of analysis about the toyota 4.5 diesel v8, since it's even harder to get reliable feedback on these
I have a 98 vvti 1uz that I’m putting a set of thick conrods from a early 1uz in. Going to turbo it. So happy to hear you get 500bhp out of the standerd pistons.
So, my cousin Bubba rolled his Titan pickup on the way to get cigarettes (He'd been drinking). We pulled the VK56 out of it and put it in Gran's Pontiac Bonneville using a Holley 4350 from the Chevy behind the barn. We run it on the leavings from our moonshine still...
Big Al. If only one could've convinced "Stupid Samuel" to do the 5.6V8 in his Nissan Patrol all those years ago mista ? Really appreciate your insights into the young kiwis with more knowledge than us blokes from the middle ages sir ! V.
Love the comments about longer stroke not equalling more torque - that's a misunderstanding that REALLY needs to be fixed. The benefits you get from a longer stroke only come from the increased displacement of stroking an engine, otherwise the stroke doesn't do anything 'special' in and of itself. For a given displacement, a larger bore and smaller stroke will offer a higher potential output(definitely HP, torque will depend on other variables due to coming in at a lower RPM) than a smaller bore and longer stroke, due to the slight improvement in cylinder head flow from a larger bore(unshrouding the valves that little bit more). This is generalizing quite a bit of course, it's a YT comment after all, but this holds true regardless of cam location, valves per cylinder, block configuration, etc. While we're at it, 2v/pushrod torque vs 4v/DOHC torque is also another one; there's this idea that 2 valve engines make more torque/low RPM power than 4 valve engines, but I don't think most people are thinking about displacement when they talk about this. 2 valve pushrod engines tend to be larger displacement than 4 valve engines because they rely on the extra displacement to make up for the inferior head flow of a 2v vs a 4v - but, when you equalize for displacement, a 4 valve will make similar torque/low RPM power(or at least have a greater potential) as a 2 valve, at that point it just comes down to pure and utter airflow, and the point of increasing the number of valves is that it increases total valve area per cylinder, which is airflow potential. If airflow isn't restricted at lower RPM, then, for a given displacement, torque output should be similar until RPM increases to the point of airflow becoming a restriction, which of course will occur sooner in a 2 valve engine than a 4 valve(I mean, we're not comparing 2 valve race heads to some terribly designed archaic 4 valve head of course lol; "equivalent heads", as equivalent as a 2v & 4v head could be anyway). Google the 2013 Engine Master's Challenge to see this represented - purpose built pushrod V8s competed against purpose built DOHC Ford Modular V8s, all at a similar displacement(scored via a formula that accounts for displacement too, as well as average power & average torque across a specified RPM range). Spoiler: the Ford Mod motors dominated, thanks to its 4v heads over the 2v heads of the pushrod stuff. Check out Richard Holdener's channel(his name) for actual real life dyno testing of theories, ideas, myths, and concepts like the above, SO much great info for the internal combustion curious! Awesome stuff, love the tech, those Nissan Titan 5.6 V8s have always been REALLY interesting to me. May have to come up with a project for one...
According to the great Sir Harry Ricardo, power output of a 4 stroke engine depends only on the cylinder bore. The reason is that the bore limits the size of the valves and therefore the airflow, and airflow is what limits power. So keeping the bore constant, lengthening the stroke just makes the engine develop the same power at a lower RPM. Keeping the displacement constant, lengthening the stroke will reduce the power output.
@@gen1c8rs88 GM LS7: 7 liters, 2 valves/cylinder; 470 lb-ft @ 4,800 rpm; 505 hp Mercedes-Benz M159: 6.2 liters, 4 valves/cylinder; 479 lb-ft @ 4,750 rpm; 583 hp Anything that you can do with a 2 valve, you can do with a 4 valve. Cam changing VVT systems (like VTEC) even allow one intake valve to be almost completely closed at low rpm, while the other opens on a low-lift cam, which increases intake air velocity and turbulence and allows for improved efficiency and torque at low rpm.
@@gen1c8rs88 It's a direct injected engine, though. I can't really find any DI engines to compete directly with the LT2, but you can bet that a DI 4 valve of the same displacement could easily out-torque that engine... if someone were to build one. If you extrapolate the BMEP of something like a Ferrari 458 engine out to 6.2 liters, you get about 550 lb-ft of torque, so...
Al without a beard looks like he is ready to crush some beers and create a lot of smoke really quickly with some crazy small burnout car with huge tires on the back XD
Greetings from the east coast of the U.S.A gentlemen! So first off… what is the pissed off engine burbling in the background ?! Sounds healthy ! Nelson mentions that the non- VVTi is a similar block as the VVTi , is it true that it’s just a matter of a oil passage to feed the VVTi ? Would the NON block need to be modified to accept the VVTi heads if even if you are not using the VVTi ? Thank you for the great videos . I’m working on obtaining parts for my son and I’s Plymouth A-Body project . Between you guys and Cartune channel I don’t think I could go wrong. 🤙🏼 Cheers guys .
Alan, your explorations of the Toyota V12 are legendary- I can only hope you put another in the can with Nelson on it, as he has done some deep performance work with it to create a monster from what I've read. PS; Accessed from here in the US, Hartley's site is a headline with no pictures or articles. What's up with that? FR
I will stick with the non VVTI 1UZ In my cars. We don’t have the luxury of as many parts for early Toyota V8s here in the states. Having a stronger platform out of the gate allows for a lot less expensive build. Also they look a lot nicer.
It's a better, scaled up 1UZ without the silly scissor gears in the middle of the camshafts. The VVT-i cam phasers are mounted on both intake and exhaust cams so you can really adjust the VVT-i to suit NA or boosted applications better without having a ridiculously lopey camshaft setup that won't idle or has bad vacuum. The 3UR-FE is a highly underrated engine, because yet again, it's a "truck" engine.
the man speaks wisdom!!!!! as a mechanic i always get people asking my opinion on engines and brands and my opinion is often meet with disappointment as i am not interested in brand bashing and i look at things from an engineering stand point and people find it hard to stomach as it is not what they want to hear 😂
Just a quick comparison Ls: 1950s technology makes hp simply because of the engines capacity, The vk is a complete different ball park modern (20years old) over head cam vvt propper designed engines Putting it simply America needs to come into the same century the rest of the world has been living in
@@ciaransynnott7958 like gms new LT6 V-8, and i just mean as a base mark which is relateable and has a lot of proven technology development and aftermarket. With the same budget which is better buying a new nissan engine for more invested or like mentioned in the video go with what people already know, plus the difference in initial cost will get you alot on the ls platform
Parts for the LS are very common and relatively much cheaper. The development has been done and there’s so many out there it’s basically like bulk pricing. So, with the LS you can basically just buy some parts and make 600hp pretty easy for a few thousand. One of the others can make similar HP but will be much more expensive because there’s more work that goes into it beyond just throwing some parts at it. And, that displacement gets you more low end torque and generally more power over the rev range. I’d be surprised if an aluminum LS weighs more, or is externally bigger, than these too.
@@cadenbecker2952 A lot of the popularity depends on what's available with base engines and aftermarket support. Along with somethings things getting pushed because of the rules in a racing series. Sometimes engines get developed and become popular because they're favored for a series and get enough support that they're a good option for people outside of the racing. America tends to be a little weird because there's little to no rules for a street car in much of the country. So, that causes things to lean pretty far towards older school stuff that's proven and cheap. With a lot of other countries they're much more restricted on what can be done to a street car so they will tend to lean towards modern stuff and ultimately trying to keep it somewhat looking stock if possible. But, it's good to see some of the more modern stuff getting attention. It's not always the ideal solution, but makes things interesting beyond everything just getting an LS with a cam and heads.
@@aaronhall7740 Makes sense. The reason we love them in the US is because they're everywhere and dirt cheap, especially if you don't mind an iron block truck motor. If you're paying to import them though, might as well get the shiny aluminum dohc motor.
@@theskidfactory What about the new LT6 in the C8 Z06. GM said they might make a crate motor in a few years, hopfully one for front engine rear wheel drive aplications and with a cross plane crank option(maybe a 92mm stroke for 383cu.in)
The engines in the video are what is being used in the NZ superstock series. They are all 4l capacity with a 4bbl carburettor. The wash up is that the 1UZ VVT is still very good but the destroked Nissan VK is better but costs twice as much. Old 1UZ are not worth playing with in this application and the VH41 is good but also has issues with valvetrain.
@@theskidfactory Gotcha! Thanks much for the summary. Understood most of that, just wasn't sure if the VVTi knowledge was generally true for Toyota V8s or only for a specific generation. Cheers and can't wait to see more hah-kose-kaaah!
Al needs to get a Nissan Cedric and put a VK56 in that? Or he could build my dream Nissan? An S15 with S14A front and then GTR drive train and then a VK56 with a roots blower poking out the bonnet probably high as the roof line lol
You guys are Great! I am impressed how resiliant Aussies & New Zealanders are with solution building. I am building my own custom 2uz-fe in a Lexus GX470 to drive to Alaska from the Midwest United States. The info on the heads was valuable about the aluminum buckets and valve sizes. Isn't the VVTi head from the 2uz the better design for the UZ series of engines? I do my own machine work so I can experiment. I bought Eagle H-beam rods and General motors 94mm bore LF4 pistons for the 2uz-fe VVTi engine. Had to make a custom adjustment to the wrist pins but it gave me a $45 piston/rings 94mm bore that takes 18 ibs of factory boost in the Cadillac LF4 engine. These LF4 pistons have steel backed up lands to make them so strong while being hypereutectic to run close cylinder tolerances. I have the TRD supercharger to run mild boost since these pistons made 11:1 CR. Should VVTi be kept functional in a low rpm torque engine compared to a high rpm race engine? Cancel Comment The Skid Factory Pinned by The Skid Factory
Is the 5.0 Coyote a consideration? The stock HP ranges from 380 to 480 (the later being direct injection VVT) from the factory. OEM rotating assembly and block are robust, even the stock rods are good on Gen III motors.
The best part about UZ engines is they’re near impossible to destroy, so they’ll be in good supply for a good long time. They’re everywhere here in the States.
I feel like the VK is an untapped resource, especially here in the States. I do see why since LS here are dime a dozen, but just browsing marketplace there are plenty of Titans too. Maybe I'll put one in my Datsun 620 🤣 keep it brand specific.
my wrong opinion is ... this was an awesome video thank you! those engines look and sound as if they are engineering wonders so i'll trust the engineer's opinion. 🤷♀️
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It’s nice to see Alan let his 12 year old son do the intro to this video.
I think he has a bright future. 👍
😂🤣 that is funny. Why I never shave it off either, but gotta respect their motives 👍
Please do a build with the VK56! Have this motor in my Titan and love it! This motor gets almost no love here in the states, and has very little aftermarket.
Aussie V8 super cars run it in 5.0 capacity with no issues
Toyota Mechenic??
I bought my '05 Titan new and I have flogged the crap out of it. At least 400 passes at the dragstrip and I've towed so much with it the hitch pin hole is egg shaped. 260k miles and she just won't give up. I thought there was just Jim Wolf for our platform but Hartley has some awfully nice stuff for the VK. Nice to see this great engine getting a second life Down Under. That carb intake with a Holley Sniper under the hood of my Titan turning 8500rpm and a VQ40 6 speed manual behind it would be so badass.
@@yng4evr68am thinkin twin turbo armada vk56 and set it on an lpg gas system what you think?
A couple fd drivers run em
Nissan has always been a monster engine builder. Love the 5.6. Its crazy what that CVT did to their brand. Without that, we might have a real competitor to Toyota.
Sorry for replying to your comment 5 months after the fact but none of the V8s are paired with a CVT and you are very much right on the money and its not the CVT transmission but rather the brand of CVT transmission that Nissan took too long to get off unlike other brands. nearly all the FWD Sedans are running CVTs now unless its a sporty car like VW Golf, Hyundai N line and the likes will have a DCT. I think some of the newer fords run DCT which is cool but most lower power-output Sedans are running CVTS (Honda, Toyota, Nissan all do it).
If you are in a country that has the Infiniti Brand that is the true Nissan design we all love but saddly have the higher badge pricing. I still miss my I30 from 2000 that had nearly 400,000km on it with all originals
There’s no Nissan V8 paired to a cvt. But good try
@@GoodEnoughGarage69 I never said there was idiot. I said that in a separate sentence implying I was talking about a different topic. Maybe you dropped out of school, but this is how language works. The CVT transmission that was used in compact cars in the 90s and early 2000s ruined Nissan's otherwise great reputation. Is that compensable to your lower intellect?
@@GoodEnoughGarage69 a V8 would completely destroy a cvt 😂😂. or they'll tune it down to 250 hp.
Y’all are brain dead, he was saying that Nissan using the CVT’s as a whole is what killed them. He never said they used them mated to V8’s
The “hakasuka” whisper after every time he says it get me every time 😆
When Nelson came up on screen, I mused to myself "Hmm, this guy looks a lot like Brendon Hartley."
The next thought was "Wait, isn't Brendon Hartley from New Zealand?"
They're brothers!
I just found that on Google a few minutes ago! I'm not sure which I'd rather have a beer with, but seriously leaning towards Nelson :)
Haha both doing awesome things!!
In one of the episodes last year I spotted a cardboard cut out of his brother just hanging around the workshop😂
I didnt know who brendon hartley was but let me say i wasnt surprised to find out he drives formula 1 lol.
As an independent mechanic for many years, im pretty much like Nelson. Im not extremely loyal to any brand, and thus can truly respect good engineering when i experience it. Everytime ive ever test drove a Titan with the 5.6L its been a surprisingly strong fast engine. I've been impressed several times.
I could listen to Nelson talk for hours, so much knowledge and he knows how to present it. Any thoughts on the UR engines from Toyota tho? The UZ is getting quite old, and the 1UR, 2UR and 3UR should potentially be quite good?
Especially curious to hear opinions on the 2UR-GSE heads, since they were developed by Yamaha.
@@upgradeNEVER Was going to ask this myself.
I'd also be interested to hear about the UR engines. I've driven vehicles with them and they feel great in stock trim.
The UR engines are simply a better UZ in every single way except that it's an open deck engine. Most would give up on it due to the open deck but I've pushed my built open deck engine to +1000 whp with the stock crank and cams and it still wanted to push out more HP if I gave it more boost. With the open deck design, overheating the engine is almost impossible too.
Unfortunately, the UR series is basically non-existent in Australia/New Zealand. I bet it would be on par or better than the VK engines if Nelson gave it a chance.
@@BlueReaperX whats the differences between the isf 2ur and the 2ur in the rcf?
The Nissan V8 Supercar engine was a de-stroked vk56, and the Kelly Boys dropped one into their Ski Racing boat for a while, it was an absolute jet down the river with two blokes clinging on for all they we were worth.
Really cool information as an American im a huge v8 guy, y’all have made me a bara fan now, and now I’m almost a 10k rpm Nissan fan
I have the VK56 on my Nissan Xterra and love it, the V8 sound and the torque is fun
A lot of people are dropping the VK 56 in Frontiers here in the states. It is a pretty straight forward swap from what I am seeing on the U-tubes. I am quite happy with my VQ 40 in my Gen 2 Frontier at almost 200.000 Never been in for repairs since new. Wife just picked up a new 22 Frontier. I would love to see one built with the VK56 It's a super good looking truck. IMO.
I've been watching guys over in the States running VK56 motors in formula drift for years ... absolute weapons and sound like nothing else!
I've got a 2011 Nissan Titan SL, love hearing about the potential my engine has. I love my V8.
My bank account has enjoyed the 2 weeks off the hakosuka!
The VK56 for the win
I bet. The VK56 is beeeeyoootiful though 🥰
Today's episode presented by Angry Anderson! - looking forward to seeing the Mo's fellas!
This video is sensational. Two motors I know very little about.
But visiting New Zealand I couldn't believe the prevalence of these Japanese V8's in vehicles at car events... barely seen a highly developed one here in Australia until the Skid Factory embarked on this built.
Great video but still…kinda disappointed that this wasn’t a video on Toyota 5.7 vs Nissan 5.6.
Agreed this VK version was the old VK56DE. The later version VK56VD with variable Valve lift against the toyota 5.7. The 1uz should have been compared to the VH45 from nissan.
I've got a nissan armada, big suv in America using the 5.6L, use it to tow my sailboat and friends to races. It's screamer even in a big truck like that. Always wondered what its potential was. Really cool.
I have one myself , a 2015 , looking to upgrade to 2017 or newer.
what year is your armada?
It blows my mind everytime hearing such cool and detailed information from a young guy. Could listen to Nelson talk shit forever.
Im assuming they havent played with UR engines?
Yeah, same here. Very impressed with that young fella. Seriously educated guy. Sounds like most of that education is from experience too, which is almost bizarre.
His Father is a legend in the game so it's a family legacy.
With enough cash I'd be straight on the VK56. Probably straight in an S15. 😊
Love your work as usual. 👍👍
Geezus Al, please grow that beard. Im not saying you look strange but you look strange without a beard 🤣🤣🤣
5oclock shadow.
Al Look’s more aussie when he Doesn’t have a beard. I can’t clearly explain it!
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its like on the simpsons when homer shaves and just looks odd
New use ya head shirts and air fresheners required now...
In light of the scooby doo reference I’d wager Nelson would make a great shaggy. And if he was would millsy be Fred and would the bedford be the mystery machine?
Awesome video, heaps of cool information.
I owned a 1UZ Toyota back in the day and currently drive a VK Nissan, they are both phenomenal motors. But to compare the two is a little loaded. The 1UZ was developed in the late 80s, the VK didn't hit the road until 2002! To compare apple's with apple's, put the Nissan VK up against the Toyota UR (introduced in 2006). Thats a 'head to head' I love to see happen. Probably wont happen though, the UR just isn't common enough to be viable swap or used in race application.
I reckon I might have to do some googling for Hartley’s shop. That one at the end sounded wild and I’ve got a place for one, if I ever finish this damn Capri
Nissan engines are very understated.
The idle on that VK56 before the dyno pull sounds like a 2 stroke.
I've owned an '05 Titan since new. I love that engine, it still starts like new and carries heavy load. It's good to hear nice about her.
Same here. '05 since new. 258k miles with 200+ passes at the dragstrip (high 13s with cold air, headers and tune at 5300 lbs) and dragging trailers everywhere since day one. Even though she's slowed down a bit, I'm still impressed when I jump in it after it sitting for a couple of weeks at her quickness and responsiveness. When the motor goes, I'll pat her on the dash and start looking for a new engine. She's been looking rough for a while now but I hit a deer recently so that's my excuse to fix some dings and get her a new coat of paint and wheels. Can't wait to see her all spiffed up.
05 with 275,000 original owner. Rebuilt the transmission ready for more runs smooth
I was kinda hoping for him to mention the other variants, like the UR series, 2/3UZ's, and the VH45/VK45
and the 390hp VK50.
I'd love to see a breakdown between a bunch of motors, notably the 2UR-GSE vs the 3UZ, vs the VK56DE and VK45VE, but also against something like a 5L Coyote and a Chev LT motor (not the old C4 Corvette LT1, but the newer C7 LT1/LT4). Understandably getting hold of an LT1, a 2UR and a VK45VE down here would be a bit hard to do
Happy to see we have Japanese equivalents for V8 engines, in my youth I only remember either European V8's or American V8's. There were no Japanese Competitor's for the V8 market.
I was going to say compare the same year models of v8s which is the UR version which also came in 5.7 litre as a 3ur
I would love a gu with that vk 56 in it. Auto and 35s. Great start for the future I reckon.
Best in the world with real life experience and knowledge. Love that these boys are in Australia and love how they do there own stuff. As a proud owner of many nissan cars including a Hako i think what they are doing with the hulkasuka is awsome. Screw the haters its all about content and these guys bring it in spades. OGJDM
Engineers are cool. No bs.
The Kelly brothers dropped a nissan v8 into a race boat. Sounds awesome.
#movember for the win! Good job lads. Really important topic
I vote 56 any day , just a beautiful powerhouse . One day I'm going to toy with a 56 myself
awsome vid boys! awsome to see kiwis are still developing engines and parts to push motorsport further! also good on you 2 for getting in behind movember! good stuff brothers
I've got zero knowledge on the nitty gritty tech stuff of engines, but most interesting vid
This whole series has definitely sparked my interest. So much good info I didn't already know & sorry Al.. Before & after footage?
I can certainly appreciate the VK56 but unfortunately for me I'm a die hard Toyota fanatic.
Availability and price is also another factor.
Really interesting, great discussion from a knowledgeable guy. Thanks 👏
I'm generally a Toyota person with 4wds and stuff.. but this really makes me want to put a vk56 in my UC sunbird
I also would like to put one in my LX 4 door
@@StatiXonfirE would honestly be an awesome conversion and just be something a bit different to an ls
ANY engine in a UC Sunbird would be an upgrade..... VK56 arguably way too good for it, haha.
Great tech talk, pretty cool to listen to, thanks for sharing
I wonder what the newer 3UR-FE 5.7L Toyota v8 is like compared to the VK56??
Would be interesting
I have owned both. Defiantly more impressed with the Toyota. Very strong pull from just off idle to redline. I will say that the Nissan felt more powerful than its rating. The Nissan was also notorious for cracked manifolds. I never got around to doing the headers and tune which is supposed to wake up the engine quite a bit. The Toyota has been a straight workhorse for the last 5 years. I have only done oil and filter changes. This year I will flush all of the coolant for its first service other than the oil. No complaints what so ever.
It's kind of hard to get information on these engines, so i'm very happy for this !
I'd be interested in having the same kind of analysis about the toyota 4.5 diesel v8, since it's even harder to get reliable feedback on these
Very cool video and a shave for a great cause, well done crew.
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I was lucky enough to hear 3 of Hartley's v8s in some Superstock speedway action on the weekend. Jeez they sound good!
Brilliant info and well presented. Thanks .
You may not think that was epic, but, That was epic! Total knowledge dump
Anything to say about the UR toyota V8s?
Its the LS of Japan.
Not common in Australia or new Zealand
pretty sure all the recent ones are direct injection which kind of limits your power if you don't add a second set of traditional injectors
This is easy. I loved the VK56DE in my Armada. They don't call me Nissan Nut for anything. Only Nissan since 1984.
1uz is such a lovely engine for smaller cars.
Ta22 celica with a 1uz is a dream
I have a 98 vvti 1uz that I’m putting a set of thick conrods from a early 1uz in. Going to turbo it. So happy to hear you get 500bhp out of the standerd pistons.
So, my cousin Bubba rolled his Titan pickup on the way to get cigarettes (He'd been drinking). We pulled the VK56 out of it and put it in Gran's Pontiac Bonneville using a Holley 4350 from the Chevy behind the barn. We run it on the leavings from our moonshine still...
I can recall when Nelson & Brendon were racing open-wheelers in Australia back in the 90s.
Big Al. If only one could've convinced "Stupid Samuel" to do the 5.6V8 in his Nissan Patrol all those years ago mista ? Really appreciate your insights into the young kiwis with more knowledge than us blokes from the middle ages sir ! V.
That is a glorious 3rd chin Al!
1UZ's are old now but they were a huge leap forward in 1989 and had a long useful life because of it.
Love the comments about longer stroke not equalling more torque - that's a misunderstanding that REALLY needs to be fixed. The benefits you get from a longer stroke only come from the increased displacement of stroking an engine, otherwise the stroke doesn't do anything 'special' in and of itself. For a given displacement, a larger bore and smaller stroke will offer a higher potential output(definitely HP, torque will depend on other variables due to coming in at a lower RPM) than a smaller bore and longer stroke, due to the slight improvement in cylinder head flow from a larger bore(unshrouding the valves that little bit more). This is generalizing quite a bit of course, it's a YT comment after all, but this holds true regardless of cam location, valves per cylinder, block configuration, etc.
While we're at it, 2v/pushrod torque vs 4v/DOHC torque is also another one; there's this idea that 2 valve engines make more torque/low RPM power than 4 valve engines, but I don't think most people are thinking about displacement when they talk about this. 2 valve pushrod engines tend to be larger displacement than 4 valve engines because they rely on the extra displacement to make up for the inferior head flow of a 2v vs a 4v - but, when you equalize for displacement, a 4 valve will make similar torque/low RPM power(or at least have a greater potential) as a 2 valve, at that point it just comes down to pure and utter airflow, and the point of increasing the number of valves is that it increases total valve area per cylinder, which is airflow potential. If airflow isn't restricted at lower RPM, then, for a given displacement, torque output should be similar until RPM increases to the point of airflow becoming a restriction, which of course will occur sooner in a 2 valve engine than a 4 valve(I mean, we're not comparing 2 valve race heads to some terribly designed archaic 4 valve head of course lol; "equivalent heads", as equivalent as a 2v & 4v head could be anyway).
Google the 2013 Engine Master's Challenge to see this represented - purpose built pushrod V8s competed against purpose built DOHC Ford Modular V8s, all at a similar displacement(scored via a formula that accounts for displacement too, as well as average power & average torque across a specified RPM range). Spoiler: the Ford Mod motors dominated, thanks to its 4v heads over the 2v heads of the pushrod stuff.
Check out Richard Holdener's channel(his name) for actual real life dyno testing of theories, ideas, myths, and concepts like the above, SO much great info for the internal combustion curious!
Awesome stuff, love the tech, those Nissan Titan 5.6 V8s have always been REALLY interesting to me. May have to come up with a project for one...
According to the great Sir Harry Ricardo, power output of a 4 stroke engine depends only on the cylinder bore. The reason is that the bore limits the size of the valves and therefore the airflow, and airflow is what limits power. So keeping the bore constant, lengthening the stroke just makes the engine develop the same power at a lower RPM. Keeping the displacement constant, lengthening the stroke will reduce the power output.
Saposidly 2 valves increase air velocity and turbulence at low rpms increasing low end torque.
@@gen1c8rs88 GM LS7: 7 liters, 2 valves/cylinder; 470 lb-ft @ 4,800 rpm; 505 hp
Mercedes-Benz M159: 6.2 liters, 4 valves/cylinder; 479 lb-ft @ 4,750 rpm; 583 hp
Anything that you can do with a 2 valve, you can do with a 4 valve. Cam changing VVT systems (like VTEC) even allow one intake valve to be almost completely closed at low rpm, while the other opens on a low-lift cam, which increases intake air velocity and turbulence and allows for improved efficiency and torque at low rpm.
@@PistonAvatarGuy yep and the Camaro Z28 had 505(525 the same as GT350)HP at 6100 rpm and 481ft.lbs at 4800 rpm.
@@gen1c8rs88 It's a direct injected engine, though. I can't really find any DI engines to compete directly with the LT2, but you can bet that a DI 4 valve of the same displacement could easily out-torque that engine... if someone were to build one.
If you extrapolate the BMEP of something like a Ferrari 458 engine out to 6.2 liters, you get about 550 lb-ft of torque, so...
All grey information, would be cool to hear about Toyota’s UR V8 engines as well
Can't wait for the 1 hour long (minimum) episode of you and Nelson talking about the 1GZ.. because its coming soon right?
Baby face Al is so cute.
Hears NA carburated V8 rev to red line, tears in eyes. Shaves himself after.
Great vid lads 👌👍💪
Al without a beard looks like he is ready to crush some beers and create a lot of smoke really quickly with some crazy small burnout car with huge tires on the back XD
Greetings from the east coast of the U.S.A gentlemen!
So first off… what is the pissed off engine burbling in the background ?! Sounds healthy !
Nelson mentions that the non- VVTi is a similar block as the VVTi , is it true that it’s just a matter of a oil passage to feed the VVTi ?
Would the NON block need to be modified to accept the VVTi heads if even if you are not using the VVTi ?
Thank you for the great videos . I’m working on obtaining parts for my son and I’s Plymouth A-Body project . Between you guys and Cartune channel I don’t think I could go wrong. 🤙🏼 Cheers guys .
Not sure if he has anything to do with them but comparing all the modern v8s like this could be cool. How does the miami/coyote stack up?
Raising for a good cause 👍🏻
Good video too 😁
There is the VK56DE and VK56VD. Titans now have 56VD. What do you think of those?
how does the VK compare to the Coyote?
Alan, your explorations of the Toyota V12 are legendary- I can only hope you put another in the can with Nelson on it, as he has done some deep performance work with it to create a monster from what I've read.
PS; Accessed from here in the US, Hartley's site is a headline with no pictures or articles. What's up with that? FR
I will stick with the non VVTI 1UZ In my cars. We don’t have the luxury of as many parts for early Toyota V8s here in the states. Having a stronger platform out of the gate allows for a lot less expensive build. Also they look a lot nicer.
I wonder if Nelson has had the opportunity to play with a Toyota 3UR-FE? I'm curious to hear his opinion of it.
It's a better, scaled up 1UZ without the silly scissor gears in the middle of the camshafts. The VVT-i cam phasers are mounted on both intake and exhaust cams so you can really adjust the VVT-i to suit NA or boosted applications better without having a ridiculously lopey camshaft setup that won't idle or has bad vacuum. The 3UR-FE is a highly underrated engine, because yet again, it's a "truck" engine.
IMO 2UR is where it’s at. All of my favorite Toyota engines have Yamaha heads.
the man speaks wisdom!!!!! as a mechanic i always get people asking my opinion on engines and brands and my opinion is often meet with disappointment as i am not interested in brand bashing and i look at things from an engineering stand point and people find it hard to stomach as it is not what they want to hear 😂
Those valve covers are SICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! wow!
I own a VH41 and wish I’d bought a VK56.
id be interested in the comparison to an ls just because its almost the base refearence might help understand cost per hp sort of things
Just a quick comparison
Ls: 1950s technology makes hp simply because of the engines capacity,
The vk is a complete different ball park modern (20years old) over head cam vvt propper designed engines
Putting it simply America needs to come into the same century the rest of the world has been living in
@@ciaransynnott7958 like gms new LT6 V-8, and i just mean as a base mark which is relateable and has a lot of proven technology development and aftermarket. With the same budget which is better buying a new nissan engine for more invested or like mentioned in the video go with what people already know, plus the difference in initial cost will get you alot on the ls platform
Parts for the LS are very common and relatively much cheaper. The development has been done and there’s so many out there it’s basically like bulk pricing.
So, with the LS you can basically just buy some parts and make 600hp pretty easy for a few thousand. One of the others can make similar HP but will be much more expensive because there’s more work that goes into it beyond just throwing some parts at it.
And, that displacement gets you more low end torque and generally more power over the rev range. I’d be surprised if an aluminum LS weighs more, or is externally bigger, than these too.
@@NBSV1 That's kind of what I was thinking, there's a reason they're popular though if i had the money I would love to do a Japanese v8
@@cadenbecker2952 A lot of the popularity depends on what's available with base engines and aftermarket support. Along with somethings things getting pushed because of the rules in a racing series. Sometimes engines get developed and become popular because they're favored for a series and get enough support that they're a good option for people outside of the racing.
America tends to be a little weird because there's little to no rules for a street car in much of the country. So, that causes things to lean pretty far towards older school stuff that's proven and cheap. With a lot of other countries they're much more restricted on what can be done to a street car so they will tend to lean towards modern stuff and ultimately trying to keep it somewhat looking stock if possible.
But, it's good to see some of the more modern stuff getting attention. It's not always the ideal solution, but makes things interesting beyond everything just getting an LS with a cam and heads.
Would be interested in hearing his thoughts on vk56 vs ls engines
LS cost an arm and a leg here in nz the Nissan will be cheaper and more efficient in every sense of the word bar maybe space because of Dohc
@@aaronhall7740 Makes sense. The reason we love them in the US is because they're everywhere and dirt cheap, especially if you don't mind an iron block truck motor. If you're paying to import them though, might as well get the shiny aluminum dohc motor.
There is drift comparison.
LS is good, but 10k in a VK is pretty special.
For sustained high RPM operation you cannot go past the VK or UZ valvetrain for a production V8.
@@theskidfactory What about the new LT6 in the C8 Z06. GM said they might make a crate motor in a few years, hopfully one for front engine rear wheel drive aplications and with a cross plane crank option(maybe a 92mm stroke for 383cu.in)
Just for clarification, was the Toyota section of this video only about the 1UZ? Not the 2UZ, 3UZ, or UR engines in general? Awesome info as always!
The engines in the video are what is being used in the NZ superstock series. They are all 4l capacity with a 4bbl carburettor. The wash up is that the 1UZ VVT is still very good but the destroked Nissan VK is better but costs twice as much. Old 1UZ are not worth playing with in this application and the VH41 is good but also has issues with valvetrain.
@@theskidfactory Gotcha! Thanks much for the summary. Understood most of that, just wasn't sure if the VVTi knowledge was generally true for Toyota V8s or only for a specific generation. Cheers and can't wait to see more hah-kose-kaaah!
Was waiting for this 😁
I've never met a Kiwi I didn't like. Shout out to my boys in Wanganui!
i love the waynes world transition for the past
I'm hated over here in the States because I really don't care what make either as long as it's up to the task! That Nissan seemed pretty badass
Nelson sounds a like an amazing person
Al needs to get a Nissan Cedric and put a VK56 in that?
Or he could build my dream Nissan? An S15 with S14A front and then GTR drive train and then a VK56 with a roots blower poking out the bonnet probably high as the roof line lol
Need more info on that B series in the background!
Il have to watch this this evening its 5:20am in Ireland 🇮🇪🤙💯
I will say one thing for the 1uz it would definitely be easier to fit in the car not to mention you can find one for a lot less money
That is true, many more sump options for the 1UZ.
Cracking video !
You guys are Great! I am impressed how resiliant Aussies & New Zealanders are with solution building. I am building my own custom 2uz-fe in a Lexus GX470 to drive to Alaska from the Midwest United States. The info on the heads was valuable about the aluminum buckets and valve sizes. Isn't the VVTi head from the 2uz the better design for the UZ series of engines? I do my own machine work so I can experiment.
I bought Eagle H-beam rods and General motors 94mm bore LF4 pistons for the 2uz-fe VVTi engine. Had to make a custom adjustment to the wrist pins but it gave me a $45 piston/rings 94mm bore that takes 18 ibs of factory boost in the Cadillac LF4 engine. These LF4 pistons have steel backed up lands to make them so strong while being hypereutectic to run close cylinder tolerances. I have the TRD supercharger to run mild boost since these pistons made 11:1 CR. Should VVTi be kept functional in a low rpm torque engine compared to a high rpm race engine?
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Is the 5.0 Coyote a consideration? The stock HP ranges from 380 to 480 (the later being direct injection VVT) from the factory. OEM rotating assembly and block are robust, even the stock rods are good on Gen III motors.
Don't forget the 500 HP NA 5.0L Coyote V8 in the 2024 Mustang Dark Horse.
I’m glad Nissan one for once. It was heartbreaking to hear as a kid that the 2jz was a stronger engine then the RB26 🤣
You guys get the toyota ur series v8’s over there? That would be a better comparison against the newer/bigger vk56. .
Will be interesting if the 1UR gets the same love as the 1UZ has in future when the UZ become impossible to source.
Or 2UR. Iv noticed price is on the way up over the 5 months 🤬
The best part about UZ engines is they’re near impossible to destroy, so they’ll be in good supply for a good long time. They’re everywhere here in the States.
Vk56 terrible timing chain problems and pump failures. Hopefully there are fixes for these issues?
I feel like the VK is an untapped resource, especially here in the States. I do see why since LS here are dime a dozen, but just browsing marketplace there are plenty of Titans too. Maybe I'll put one in my Datsun 620 🤣 keep it brand specific.
my wrong opinion is ... this was an awesome video thank you!
those engines look and sound as if they are engineering wonders so i'll trust the engineer's opinion. 🤷♀️
nelson looks like a rockstar vocalist from the 80s-early 90s. I cant remember which specific band.