As reinhardt, when you keep your shield up and hold your attack button, you can look around, which makes the looking back a lot easier. The game never explains this and I don't know a lot of people that know about it!
The concept of looking back started disappearing as i won maybe 10 games straight. The rank started testing me and then i lost 12 plus games out of 15 games. But your insight of playing a specific positioning on certain maps with your teammates opened my eyes. Ive had some games where we are up on a fight thats 5v3 and somehow lost it. And its just due to the fact that 2 of our guys were fighting the other 2 enemies alone and then it started to snow ball. Ty for this video!
I've had your videos recommened to me many times before, but for some reason i didn't want to watch them (judging a book by it's cover). However, i've watched many coaching videos on tanks or other heroes, however coaches rarely explain what the basic terminology actually means and showing examples of it. I finally understood what peel and holding space actually mean. Thank you for making this video!
Thank you for watching! My goal is to make educational content as accessible as possible for all players and so far it sounds like I'm doing alright. Thanks again for your support, more videos to come.
Good video, i myself see most people dont look around on any role, but information is crucial on tank. But i dont play the role anymore bc of oneshots, and simm being busted for 4 seasons straight
There’s so many advanced concepts that built off of eachother in a competitive game like this and you’re one of those genuinely good coaches that found a way to condense the main points and make them digestible for the less experienced
This felt like a personal attack. After i got over the realization ive been flaming support for the past 4 seasons i realized this shit actually really helpful (just going flame dps instead)
also feel like supports in certain scenarios can help you with "turning around" for instance in that match where it was a 2v5 orisa and ana I feel like in a comp game with coms ana can say stuff like "just me and you" or "come back its just us" so instead of putting your back against the whole team you can back up while maintain focus of minimizing death chances
Can you show more examples ? I know it seems like common sense but creating a part 2 with more examples and with pro games would really REALLY help. Also I’ve liked and subscribed to your channel. Good stuff !
8:26 we do see the ram is alone but can we talk about why's the entire team so far behind? what angle is ashe holding? junks angle makes sense, whys juno is that room too? and mercy is just pocketing ashe. yes ram's fault for staying there alone and not staying w his team but i think we should address what the rest of the team was doing too, specially when ashe mercy juno can def have better positioning to help out the ram and not the other way around. if the ram backs up, they just donate that entire space to the enemy team
I think it was because of the widowmaker. Ram can't do much except shield her - and she can change position anyway. They also dont have a flanker to contest her.
@@Mcqueen26506 Widow can just go forward and then they just back up more? I think that you just cant give space for free all the time. Is backing up to that corner the right choice?
@@saunaaddikti642 The corner is where the widow loses potency. On the long original LOS she also is playing out of spawn, so you've pretty much got to one-shot her or she just heals up immediately. And of course the fact that the fighting is now in medium range rather than long range.
I agree being in LOS of your team is extremely important on tank. However I think it's important to clarify with the exception of Dva and specific scenarios where you can capitalise on a out of position flanger, it is not your job as the tank to hard peel for your supports. I see so many times supports dying in the back from a sombra, tracer, ball etc. and complaning for the tank to look behind and help. When the tank does help peel for there supports they lose so much space and the enemy team can push up for free and kill the whole team.
Yeah you're right your job isn't really to peel on tank but you should be forcing out cooldowns on the enemy supports yourself when on tank, the best tanks to do that on are doom and ball, more so doom. Doom doesn't have to wait for the poke solution in the neutral fight he can aggress early by slam cycling and building ult so he can use empowered punch in the enemy tanks backline, where he can either get a pick on one of the supports or force out key cooldowns like lamp or suzu.
I have been saying "turn around, JUST TURN AROUND!" in this game for years, and while I'm still in Gold because nobody will actually do it as Reaper or whoever flanks yet again, at least it makes me feel better to know that it's the right thing to be telling people...though, the fact that this will still be the case even in Master's suggests I should just give up entirely
nope, you shouldn't be telling your teammates anything about the way they play, unless they are your friends/duo and ask for feedback. It's not just to be a nice person, it is because this will almost never actually make you win the game, on the contrary. If some stranger yells at you in a game, you're never going to listen to them, even if they are right. You may throw on purpose though, just to annoy them, or give up that game
@@Bloubz77 Man, I'm not communicating to teammates. I have chat and voice disabled because the last thing I want to hear or see is other people being wrong or mad (there are zero constructive comms in metal ranks; never has been, never will be). I'm just yelling out loud into the void.
Amazing video and great explanations! Could you please make a video on wrecking ball? I know there are some particularities with ball in regard to these tips.
Learn ball and doomfist, they get to bypass the gameplay loop that most of the other tanks have to engage in which is sit on a safe angle in neutral and wait for the poke solution. If you aggress in the neutral phase on the other tanks you end up demanding resources which would be better used on your dps teammates instead (lamp, suzu etc.) On doom you just slam cycle, build ult and use empowered punch on the enemy tanks backline to pick off a support or just bait out there cds. If your team still can't kill the enemy tank when they don't have resources then your team just sucks.
What about when they go hog sombra cassidy Ana and brig? Then what. Just having a sombra or hog makes it so hard to play doom for me. When I know I can just go dva and farm them
@@saucegotti9416 hey man I'm gonna be real with you you're better off not dedicating your time to learning how to play single tank optimally because the optimal way to play single tank is mind numbingly boring.
@@TSGC16 I don't blame you, in 6v6 there was an actual meaningful frontline resource trade. Now you are basically incentivised to not do anything in the neutral on tank which is so boring.
COACH I STILL DON'T TURN AROUND ENOUGH! But after watching this video I know I'm going focus on doing that in my games Too often do I go deep on the enemy backline and say "WHERE IS MY TEAM?!?" WHY? BECAUSE I DID NOT TURN TF AROUND 😭
@@metaslave5566 yeah after actually trying to use this advice, and then being on console so turning around takes too much to carry it out to be an option most of the time, I am sad
A HUD in the lower left hand corner, under your battle tag, that shows your teammates health would be a huge improvement. They already have it in the replays. Why not implement it in the game
Yeah, it's really weird that tanks and dps camt see friendly health. I get it's less relevant cuz they cant heal, but its still important enough to know. Especially on tank. not so much on dps, as i find myself caring less about it when i play that role. I still think it's a worthwhile update for down the road for all roles
For the hog (chedbundy) example, this a case of overconfidence. Pros and top 500 play like this a lot, but it's because they hit their cool downs. If he hooked the tracer, the other 2 would have likely fallen back.
Tanking is not about 1v5, it's about your entire team. You have to think AND play for all 5 players on your team, not just for yourself. The moment I realized this is the moment I stopped having a "playstyle". Now when I play tank I do exactly what has to be done, and it includes EVERYTHING from trying my best to help my DPS with their job, helping my supports with being safe, and only then I think about my on own play and my tanking responsibilities. Started doing all that and reached t500 by one tricking Orisa SO EASILY that Im not even sure there's anything cool about it
@@Kayun- in overwatch there's no such thing as "I do this because this is my play style". If u do that you might end up diving on Doom into Sombra+cass+orisa+ana+zen. You can't have a playstyle because all games are different. I mean sure u can, but you just gonna fail half of the time. The only playstyle there is in Overwatch is constantly adjusting to what's happening
This is great info, but sad at the same time. It puts more work on the tank when the majority of the responsibility was already on the tank. Also, there is less responsibility on blizzard to fix the SR system.
yea, but when I watch replay, I have line of sight, I have 4 enemy players in front of me, but my team dies to a single genji, what? they lost 4v1? so I checked pov, oh, the widow is off by herself, dies to genji, then genji one shot the hanzo as well, who is out of LOS of his healers ofc, then genji blades our ana, and dies to kiriko..that is just me, I can't be fked peeling a 4v1, if I lose, I lose.
I have my own guide for you guys. How to carry on tank and have fun. Step 1 wait until 6v6 comes back or play a custom 6v6 games. Step 2 get good. Congratulations you did it your on your way to being the best overwatch player ever.
Spinning around on a 100 rpm swivel seems like pretty poor advice, compared to the team just saying what they need. If widow can't get a line of sight and knows exactly why, they should open their mouth, or accept the accusations of uselessness.
Sadly these videos are useless no matter what role you play... Best example the last ranking reset, I platinum 4 support am now thrown together with bronze silver teammates. Those who can't get anything done, point out something in a friendly manner and are immediately flamed. In the end my teammates have 5 kills despite pocket heal. I always try to learn something new from such videos but in the end they are useless if you have teammates who can do absolutely nothing🥴🙏🏼 And no, I'm definitely not the best player but when I'm put together with Bronze Silver players, I get so damn pissed And I would love to turn the head of the Blizzard employee who came up with this idea of wide Q 🤝🏽
@@OW2LEARNING Well with all due respect I'm not the best as I said but if my m8's are holding me back what can I do, then I can do what I want if they don't even get kills 😭
@@einfachanwesend There is always something you could have done better. There is usually a way to carry the game (with some exceptions). I guarantee you are making major mistakes in your games that are holding you back. This victim mindset of "oh my teammates are bad" is what will hold you back for as long as you play.
3:32 I fundamentally disagree with this. There's a reason why the term "tank privilege" (basically "adjust") is used in most MMORPG's nowadays. It's because there's some things tanks will ignore because it's not their job and they have enough stuff to track in encounters as is. Having to worry about whether or not your Widow has proper line of sight is not a tank's job. Just... IN GENERAL it's not the tanks job to position around his team. The team should be positioning around the tank. Otherwise, why even let the tank choose encounters? He should just hang back in safe areas near his team and die and let his team blame him for not taking space because the tank needs to be positioning around his team instead of the enemy team. When you play a tank... you HAVE to assume that your team will follow you and position around you. Because if you assume that your team REFUSES to position around you... then all you can do is play safe, and most of those matches will be losses because that will free up space for the enemy tank to get into better positions to wipe out your team. It's really quite simple: If you ARE the tank, positioning is your number 1 goal and your position should almost always remove space for the enemy tank to position into. If you AREN'T the tank you need to be positioning around the player that is. End of discussion. Edit: I should clarify that I still agree with the commenter at the time that I linked that the better play would have been to be positioned in a way that benefits the Widowmaker; I simply think it's the Widowmaker's job to position herself in a place that she can get LoS during a fight in which her tank is actively engaged in battle. That's not to say that being aware of your healers LoS isn't important, it's just in heated fights as a tank (assuming your healer is still alive) you have to assume that your healer is at least trying to keep up with their tank's movements. With that said... yea turning around and knowing where your team is located is great advice and should be done before every fight.
So basically: Babysit your dumb teammates and don't feed. The yapping during the Junkertown examples missed the mark but the other examples were fine. It's like 2 different people made the script for this video. 1 knew what he was talking about and the other was just padding the script.
You don't feed by not aggressing in the neutral fight because if you aggress in the neutral you just end up demanding resources from your supports. just hold a safe angle and wait for the poke solution. You only aggress if your team is up by one or if your team has both an angle advantage and a resource advantage. Unfortunately this is the optimal way of playing single tank unless you're playing ball or doomfist who can bypass that. There's no meaningful frontline trade anymore, there was one when there were two tanks.
The junkertown examples were clear as day lol, the orisa took a 2v5 angle and the hog walked into a 1v3 because they both didn't pay attention to their teams position. I would love to know what rank you are because you seem clueless
@@Mcqueen26506 Both Junkertown examples were just feeders doing everything wrong. Nothing to learn there. Picking an Orisa vs Hog game and talking about game sense is also a joke. Maybe it makes sense in low mmr or for people considering coaching from this guy.
@@IamPhishizzle2 Still waiting for your rank. The junkertown examples and the ram example were masters, which is in the top decile of all ranked players. I wonder how they got there if they're doing EVERYTHING wrong. Surely you must be really high mmr and way better than these guys, why don't you drop us a replay code too?
Turning around to look at your team before you dive is the equivalent of looking both ways before crossing the road.
this coaching housed me.
Jesus, managing OW content and med school’s crazy, you’re dedicated asf. Good luck on both!!!
Thank you
As reinhardt, when you keep your shield up and hold your attack button, you can look around, which makes the looking back a lot easier.
The game never explains this and I don't know a lot of people that know about it!
I can feel my rank increasing to champ 1 just from watching this video. Truly incredible stuff.
this shits so good i forgot about ksi last song
lol
From the screen to the ring to the pen to the KING
TLDW: as a tank, turn around to check where your team is, use line of sight, be wary of your teams positioning before push a teamfight.
I had to turn around just to make sure you weren’t talking to the person behind me. There was no one there. I’m dead.
The concept of looking back started disappearing as i won maybe 10 games straight. The rank started testing me and then i lost 12 plus games out of 15 games. But your insight of playing a specific positioning on certain maps with your teammates opened my eyes. Ive had some games where we are up on a fight thats 5v3 and somehow lost it. And its just due to the fact that 2 of our guys were fighting the other 2 enemies alone and then it started to snow ball.
Ty for this video!
0:24 Cant believe the bald man would say that
That whooshing sfx at 3:01 scared me and its not even halloween yet.
I've had your videos recommened to me many times before, but for some reason i didn't want to watch them (judging a book by it's cover). However, i've watched many coaching videos on tanks or other heroes, however coaches rarely explain what the basic terminology actually means and showing examples of it. I finally understood what peel and holding space actually mean. Thank you for making this video!
Thank you for watching! My goal is to make educational content as accessible as possible for all players and so far it sounds like I'm doing alright. Thanks again for your support, more videos to come.
Actually such a well produced video
Thank you for being a homeless man so you can attire true knowledge of being a tank. Thank you for your sacrifice
didnt even watch, already know this is a goat vid
Good video, i myself see most people dont look around on any role, but information is crucial on tank.
But i dont play the role anymore bc of oneshots, and simm being busted for 4 seasons straight
Yet another tip to make me a better player
Now all you need is skill 😊
There’s so many advanced concepts that built off of eachother in a competitive game like this and you’re one of those genuinely good coaches that found a way to condense the main points and make them digestible for the less experienced
Thank you, that's my goal
This felt like a personal attack. After i got over the realization ive been flaming support for the past 4 seasons i realized this shit actually really helpful (just going flame dps instead)
Very helpful video!
also feel like supports in certain scenarios can help you with "turning around" for instance in that match where it was a 2v5 orisa and ana I feel like in a comp game with coms ana can say stuff like "just me and you" or "come back its just us" so instead of putting your back against the whole team you can back up while maintain focus of minimizing death chances
supports can help you*
just finished med school in Aus, good on you for making content while grinding, love your vids
THE GOAT RETURNS
0:15 good song choice
Can you show more examples ? I know it seems like common sense but creating a part 2 with more examples and with pro games would really REALLY help. Also I’ve liked and subscribed to your channel. Good stuff !
I'll consider a part 2 definitely
Very good video. Points are extremely relevant
I would love a similar video on the dps role, a common mistake that happens at every rank and how to fix it
Another great video!! Goated channel
Great insightful video as always, the goat, keep it up man
this hit harder than the 2008 housing collapse that left me homeless
Great video
8:26 we do see the ram is alone but can we talk about why's the entire team so far behind? what angle is ashe holding? junks angle makes sense, whys juno is that room too? and mercy is just pocketing ashe. yes ram's fault for staying there alone and not staying w his team but i think we should address what the rest of the team was doing too, specially when ashe mercy juno can def have better positioning to help out the ram and not the other way around. if the ram backs up, they just donate that entire space to the enemy team
I think it was because of the widowmaker. Ram can't do much except shield her - and she can change position anyway. They also dont have a flanker to contest her.
@@Mcqueen26506 Widow can just go forward and then they just back up more? I think that you just cant give space for free all the time. Is backing up to that corner the right choice?
@@saunaaddikti642 The corner is where the widow loses potency. On the long original LOS she also is playing out of spawn, so you've pretty much got to one-shot her or she just heals up immediately. And of course the fact that the fighting is now in medium range rather than long range.
homeless coaching imma buy u a house bro this content good
I agree being in LOS of your team is extremely important on tank. However I think it's important to clarify with the exception of Dva and specific scenarios where you can capitalise on a out of position flanger, it is not your job as the tank to hard peel for your supports. I see so many times supports dying in the back from a sombra, tracer, ball etc. and complaning for the tank to look behind and help. When the tank does help peel for there supports they lose so much space and the enemy team can push up for free and kill the whole team.
Yeah you're right your job isn't really to peel on tank but you should be forcing out cooldowns on the enemy supports yourself when on tank, the best tanks to do that on are doom and ball, more so doom. Doom doesn't have to wait for the poke solution in the neutral fight he can aggress early by slam cycling and building ult so he can use empowered punch in the enemy tanks backline, where he can either get a pick on one of the supports or force out key cooldowns like lamp or suzu.
0:13 too real
I have been saying "turn around, JUST TURN AROUND!" in this game for years, and while I'm still in Gold because nobody will actually do it as Reaper or whoever flanks yet again, at least it makes me feel better to know that it's the right thing to be telling people...though, the fact that this will still be the case even in Master's suggests I should just give up entirely
nope, you shouldn't be telling your teammates anything about the way they play, unless they are your friends/duo and ask for feedback. It's not just to be a nice person, it is because this will almost never actually make you win the game, on the contrary. If some stranger yells at you in a game, you're never going to listen to them, even if they are right. You may throw on purpose though, just to annoy them, or give up that game
@@Bloubz77 Man, I'm not communicating to teammates. I have chat and voice disabled because the last thing I want to hear or see is other people being wrong or mad (there are zero constructive comms in metal ranks; never has been, never will be). I'm just yelling out loud into the void.
@@animeworldorder lmao sorry, that's perfect then. Let's keep yelling into the void in our precious metal ranks
Amazing video and great explanations! Could you please make a video on wrecking ball? I know there are some particularities with ball in regard to these tips.
He is a very niche hero, so I would have to do some more research
I just hate when you want to try a different angle and none of your team follows you
Bro is healing the ranks and irl🙏
Gonna try this. Joined your discord too. I never turn around. Plat 1 rn. Will update commenters if I make significant progress from this one vid
This is why the should add a mini map that shows your team mates 🤫
WE LEARNING HOME HOW TO RANK WITH THIS ONE BOYS 🗣️ 🔥
Learn ball and doomfist, they get to bypass the gameplay loop that most of the other tanks have to engage in which is sit on a safe angle in neutral and wait for the poke solution. If you aggress in the neutral phase on the other tanks you end up demanding resources which would be better used on your dps teammates instead (lamp, suzu etc.) On doom you just slam cycle, build ult and use empowered punch on the enemy tanks backline to pick off a support or just bait out there cds. If your team still can't kill the enemy tank when they don't have resources then your team just sucks.
What about when they go hog sombra cassidy Ana and brig? Then what. Just having a sombra or hog makes it so hard to play doom for me. When I know I can just go dva and farm them
@@saucegotti9416 hey man I'm gonna be real with you you're better off not dedicating your time to learning how to play single tank optimally because the optimal way to play single tank is mind numbingly boring.
@@lukeaustin4465 counter swapping is by far way worst tho
Ngl just dont play tank until they bring back 6v6
@@TSGC16 I don't blame you, in 6v6 there was an actual meaningful frontline resource trade. Now you are basically incentivised to not do anything in the neutral on tank which is so boring.
I can personally verified this, cuz i just went 51 and 5 on Dva in a bronze silver ish lobby, the enemy tank kept switching but it didnt work
bro i was hooping and hollering while you were doing that absolutely, GOATED, monologue at the start. #fuckingshitrole
Watching this got me a home
lmao such a funny and very informative video
Holy omega based 🔥
COACH I STILL DON'T TURN AROUND ENOUGH!
But after watching this video I know I'm going focus on doing that in my games
Too often do I go deep on the enemy backline and say "WHERE IS MY TEAM?!?"
WHY? BECAUSE I DID NOT TURN TF AROUND 😭
ur awesum bro
Realised this sometime ago. Went from plat to master winton 1t
@sacha pls take notes
Would you be in support for a mini map so that turning around wasn't necessary and this was more intuitive?
You a console player?
@@metaslave5566 yeah after actually trying to use this advice, and then being on console so turning around takes too much to carry it out to be an option most of the time, I am sad
GOAT
A HUD in the lower left hand corner, under your battle tag, that shows your teammates health would be a huge improvement. They already have it in the replays. Why not implement it in the game
Yeah, it's really weird that tanks and dps camt see friendly health. I get it's less relevant cuz they cant heal, but its still important enough to know. Especially on tank. not so much on dps, as i find myself caring less about it when i play that role. I still think it's a worthwhile update for down the road for all roles
As a supp main and tank flex, I’ve wanted this since OG OW
For the hog (chedbundy) example, this a case of overconfidence. Pros and top 500 play like this a lot, but it's because they hit their cool downs. If he hooked the tracer, the other 2 would have likely fallen back.
This cured me
for me its not turning around, its my slow hampter brain trying to decide what to do and where to go mid fight 😿
Winton
Hoping to get to plat this season. My peak so far is gold 2.
Good luck with that! Remember to maintain a small hero pool, focus on yourself and check out my other videos
Hoping to get out of plat this season. I hit Diamond 4 on dps just to go on an insane loss streak 😞
Good luck with that!
winton
It really is as shrimple as that
Wow just tried it. I didn't know I had so many teamates
Turning around is my biggest problem as a console player. I cant flick. To look completely behind me and back its almost a full second
Tanking is not about 1v5, it's about your entire team. You have to think AND play for all 5 players on your team, not just for yourself. The moment I realized this is the moment I stopped having a "playstyle". Now when I play tank I do exactly what has to be done, and it includes EVERYTHING from trying my best to help my DPS with their job, helping my supports with being safe, and only then I think about my on own play and my tanking responsibilities. Started doing all that and reached t500 by one tricking Orisa SO EASILY that Im not even sure there's anything cool about it
speak for yourself lmao, you prob play orisa, every other tank has a playstyle (i typed orisa before i even read your whole comment)
@@Kayun- in overwatch there's no such thing as "I do this because this is my play style". If u do that you might end up diving on Doom into Sombra+cass+orisa+ana+zen. You can't have a playstyle because all games are different. I mean sure u can, but you just gonna fail half of the time. The only playstyle there is in Overwatch is constantly adjusting to what's happening
@@Kayun- it applies to all tanks and to all roles. If u think otherwise ur probably just autopiloting
Welp- guess whos out of gold tank because of this
Nice
as a tank i turn around to see 3 people emoting on payload and it depress me
This is great info, but sad at the same time. It puts more work on the tank when the majority of the responsibility was already on the tank. Also, there is less responsibility on blizzard to fix the SR system.
A lot of this could be solved if they just gave us a minimap with team icons
Why team not push up 🤔
Tank is my worst role I need this
Tbh tank is the only role that has the health and time to just TURN AROUND AND OBSERVE.
Monke
yea, but when I watch replay, I have line of sight, I have 4 enemy players in front of me, but my team dies to a single genji, what? they lost 4v1? so I checked pov, oh, the widow is off by herself, dies to genji, then genji one shot the hanzo as well, who is out of LOS of his healers ofc, then genji blades our ana, and dies to kiriko..that is just me, I can't be fked peeling a 4v1, if I lose, I lose.
Pushing for Champ 1 (im plat)
If i turn around on concole i lose the point lmao
This isn’t the easiest on console when it takes 3-5 business days to turn around…
Who are you
I have my own guide for you guys. How to carry on tank and have fun. Step 1 wait until 6v6 comes back or play a custom 6v6 games. Step 2 get good. Congratulations you did it your on your way to being the best overwatch player ever.
Spinning around on a 100 rpm swivel seems like pretty poor advice, compared to the team just saying what they need.
If widow can't get a line of sight and knows exactly why, they should open their mouth, or accept the accusations of uselessness.
Sadly these videos are useless no matter what role you play... Best example the last ranking reset, I platinum 4 support am now thrown together with bronze silver teammates. Those who can't get anything done, point out something in a friendly manner and are immediately flamed. In the end my teammates have 5 kills despite pocket heal. I always try to learn something new from such videos but in the end they are useless if you have teammates who can do absolutely nothing🥴🙏🏼
And no, I'm definitely not the best player but when I'm put together with Bronze Silver players, I get so damn pissed And I would love to turn the head of the Blizzard employee who came up with this idea of wide Q 🤝🏽
Well actually, this just means you are a client.
@@OW2LEARNING Well with all due respect I'm not the best as I said but if my m8's are holding me back what can I do, then I can do what I want if they don't even get kills 😭
@@einfachanwesend
There is always something you could have done better. There is usually a way to carry the game (with some exceptions). I guarantee you are making major mistakes in your games that are holding you back. This victim mindset of "oh my teammates are bad" is what will hold you back for as long as you play.
3:32 I fundamentally disagree with this. There's a reason why the term "tank privilege" (basically "adjust") is used in most MMORPG's nowadays.
It's because there's some things tanks will ignore because it's not their job and they have enough stuff to track in encounters as is. Having to worry about whether or not your Widow has proper line of sight is not a tank's job. Just... IN GENERAL it's not the tanks job to position around his team. The team should be positioning around the tank.
Otherwise, why even let the tank choose encounters? He should just hang back in safe areas near his team and die and let his team blame him for not taking space because the tank needs to be positioning around his team instead of the enemy team.
When you play a tank... you HAVE to assume that your team will follow you and position around you. Because if you assume that your team REFUSES to position around you... then all you can do is play safe, and most of those matches will be losses because that will free up space for the enemy tank to get into better positions to wipe out your team.
It's really quite simple: If you ARE the tank, positioning is your number 1 goal and your position should almost always remove space for the enemy tank to position into. If you AREN'T the tank you need to be positioning around the player that is. End of discussion.
Edit: I should clarify that I still agree with the commenter at the time that I linked that the better play would have been to be positioned in a way that benefits the Widowmaker; I simply think it's the Widowmaker's job to position herself in a place that she can get LoS during a fight in which her tank is actively engaged in battle. That's not to say that being aware of your healers LoS isn't important, it's just in heated fights as a tank (assuming your healer is still alive) you have to assume that your healer is at least trying to keep up with their tank's movements. With that said... yea turning around and knowing where your team is located is great advice and should be done before every fight.
I think the OWL coach might have more of an idea about what a player should be doing
So basically: Babysit your dumb teammates and don't feed. The yapping during the Junkertown examples missed the mark but the other examples were fine. It's like 2 different people made the script for this video. 1 knew what he was talking about and the other was just padding the script.
I think you ought to rewatch the video if that’s your only take away from it… very much not what he said to do
You don't feed by not aggressing in the neutral fight because if you aggress in the neutral you just end up demanding resources from your supports. just hold a safe angle and wait for the poke solution. You only aggress if your team is up by one or if your team has both an angle advantage and a resource advantage. Unfortunately this is the optimal way of playing single tank unless you're playing ball or doomfist who can bypass that. There's no meaningful frontline trade anymore, there was one when there were two tanks.
The junkertown examples were clear as day lol, the orisa took a 2v5 angle and the hog walked into a 1v3 because they both didn't pay attention to their teams position. I would love to know what rank you are because you seem clueless
@@Mcqueen26506 Both Junkertown examples were just feeders doing everything wrong. Nothing to learn there. Picking an Orisa vs Hog game and talking about game sense is also a joke. Maybe it makes sense in low mmr or for people considering coaching from this guy.
@@IamPhishizzle2 Still waiting for your rank. The junkertown examples and the ram example were masters, which is in the top decile of all ranked players. I wonder how they got there if they're doing EVERYTHING wrong. Surely you must be really high mmr and way better than these guys, why don't you drop us a replay code too?