The Priority Pass Killed Overwatch

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  • Опубликовано: 23 окт 2024

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  • @UnavailableUser96
    @UnavailableUser96 2 дня назад +133

    Optional pass systems benefit those who know how to work the system at the expense of the casuals who don't know how to abuse it. Lots of similarities here compared to the Disney Fast Pass system. Both situations tanked the experience of the casual base for marginal benefit to the most experienced and knowledgeable customer base.

    • @jcartist5881
      @jcartist5881 День назад +3

      which is why pro play interests makes me sick

  • @liundeirkil8706
    @liundeirkil8706 День назад +55

    Also I don't know if you remember but people would make lfg groups, tanks and supports would lock their role and the 2 dps would flex.
    By doing this, the dps players would both get dps AND get tickets.

  • @JustaGuy_Gaming
    @JustaGuy_Gaming День назад +38

    Can't forget those stupid passes. Not only did they ruin the game by rewarding bad behavior like throwing games. They often didn't even do anything. Game said Que time 10 minutes, Priority pass 5 minutes and then you wait 15 minutes in the que. I can't count the number of times I waited so long it refunded my pass.

    • @IrisXen
      @IrisXen День назад +2

      On the other hand, I can't count how many times it actually took less time to queue with a pass. Because it never even happened lol.

    • @JustaGuy_Gaming
      @JustaGuy_Gaming День назад +1

      @@IrisXen It was always a vague thing as well, because Que times could go faster than expected even without the pass. So the over all feeling was the passes did almost nothing good.
      Mean while you got a bunch of people who didn't want to play tank or support thrown into your games. DPS Roadhogs as the video mentioned, but also DPS zen or lucio players as well.
      Meaning even when you did use your pass to play DPS, you got stuck with teams of throwers anyways so couldn't enjoy your game.

  • @huyphan7825
    @huyphan7825 2 дня назад +92

    For a company motivated by the "path of least resistance" surely ABK would've considered the most obvious answer to no one wanting to play tanks.
    Make tanks fun. Not "make tanks strong". Not "make tanks weak". Or "mandatory". Just make tanks fun.

    • @hogndog2339
      @hogndog2339 2 дня назад +8

      Problem is that the amount of people who want to play the tank role is just inherently less than those that enjoy playing damage or even support

    • @huyphan7825
      @huyphan7825 2 дня назад +11

      @@hogndog2339 So that must mean Support and Damage must be fun to play. So make Tank fun just like them

    • @LangLong
      @LangLong 2 дня назад +10

      Junkerqueen, doom, ball, Winston are fun to play, just tanking itself is very stressful and complicated. Then you have your team saying tank diff after only 1 or 2 mistakes.

    • @huyphan7825
      @huyphan7825 2 дня назад +7

      @@LangLong Then that also contributes to making Tank unfun.

    • @LangLong
      @LangLong 2 дня назад +3

      @huyphan7825 yeah, but how do you fix that? Pretty much every game that has tanks has a similar problem

  • @-user_redacted-
    @-user_redacted- 2 дня назад +48

    4:30 are we suggesting that the real reason they ditched 2 tank was to compensate for a lack of tank players that they caused?
    Sounds like Blizzard.

    • @realth8572
      @realth8572  2 дня назад +20

      They’ve explicitly stated that queue times was the primary concern behind OW2 going to 5v5.

    • @-user_redacted-
      @-user_redacted- День назад +1

      @@realth8572 ahh, I honestly hadn't looked into that. Just seen people claiming that one tank is "healthier for the game" without any elaboration.

    • @Miraihi
      @Miraihi День назад +2

      @@-user_redacted- In reality without a second tank the game became a team deathmatch. The frontline has gone completely.

    • @nihili4196
      @nihili4196 День назад +2

      ​@@realth8572They said various things over the years, and both confirmed and denied that 5v5 had anything to do with queues.
      I'm honestly sceptical about what Devs say officially, given that they're notorious for stating things that aren't true.

    • @SamoyedSagas
      @SamoyedSagas День назад

      ​@@nihili4196Just because your dumbass heard different things from internet comments doesn't mean that happened. Blizzard has only ever confirmed 5v5 was for queue times, not once denied.

  • @Venant91182
    @Venant91182 День назад +11

    Now you have players who are just grinding the battle pass with less motivation to be competitive. This competitive element of OW has always been a problem since 'winning' is linked only to whether your team gets the win. Its quite common to get total mismatches in games where one player is going full send tryhard while several other players are in NPC mode. The game would be much better if the primary reward was for individual contribution, but it seems like it would be too much effort for them to design a system capable of actually determining an individual contribution score.

    • @johnmckill6003
      @johnmckill6003 День назад +6

      Its just not possible. How can you correctly award some one who 1v3s and gets an elim and dies while their team cleans up the remaining 4. Too much to the game.

    • @contagious_noob3651
      @contagious_noob3651 День назад +1

      Its impossible to make a solo contribution ranked system. Oh you are playing support and barely got heals? You get practically no points it doesn't matter that your team steam rolled them. Oh you are playing tracer and was constantly drawing pressure away from your tank and making space well your damage wasnt high enough so you lose points.

  • @IvanRodriguez-pw4gq
    @IvanRodriguez-pw4gq День назад +3

    THIS! I always felt that MOST who chose hog was just a Dps player wanting to skip queue times. I always felt that I was forced into Orisa, Hog, Zar. I always felt that I was getting punished for playing Rein. I just couldn't explain why. Always just "skill issue". Not that it matters anymore, just uninstall.

  • @notmynameX
    @notmynameX 2 дня назад +76

    The game currently trying to match as fast as possible over having a balanced match is bullshit. Load into a game already over, get a priority pass to get into a match quicker with even less care put towards the balance. Giving a tank player priority to get into a game faster is a slap in the face. We want balanced matches, not the quickest ones the system can make

    • @itz_yoboi_tree
      @itz_yoboi_tree День назад +1

      It's part of the reason why I believe they like having 5 tiers of every elo. Faster ques

    • @muzankibutsuji8919
      @muzankibutsuji8919 День назад +10

      You say this but you probably didn't sit in the 10 minites+ ques in overwatch 1. You can call the matchmaking as "unbalanced" as you want, but in the end, it's better than spending 13 minutes in que when you're plat.

    • @deadhelix
      @deadhelix День назад +2

      if you’re talking QP (which has quick in the name) I hard disagree I would prefer random fast matchmaking over sbmm in a casual mode, now for comp yeah it makes no sense when you get a lobby where the rank range is plat to high master maybe even gm, I would rather have a lobby where everyone is similar ranks otherwise climbing just feels like rng instead of an actual competition

    • @autoimmunedefficiencysyndrome
      @autoimmunedefficiencysyndrome День назад +3

      This... is not true.

    • @contagious_noob3651
      @contagious_noob3651 День назад

      ​@@muzankibutsuji8919exactly i remember trying to get into ow1 late in the games life and i dropped it after a few hours because of the long ass cue times

  • @iyxon
    @iyxon 2 дня назад +15

    A loss makes the next win easier... ok woah, I never thought of that. Not being sarcastic. I see why you left that point for last.

    • @iyxon
      @iyxon 2 дня назад +4

      Like I'm covering my agape mouth in horror

  • @f687sNFM
    @f687sNFM День назад +19

    Its so hilarious at this point how much blizzard tries to avoid addressing the real problems because they conflict with their vision and make band aid solutions that make the problems worse or add new problems

    • @mattevans4377
      @mattevans4377 День назад

      After playing Marvel Rivals beta, I've realized tanking was flawed from the start in this game

  • @patrickrodriguez8797
    @patrickrodriguez8797 День назад +2

    Oh yeah I remember how easy it was to abuse the Priority Pass system. I remember having so many passes despite always playing as DPS. It's because back then, I have friends who always lock Tanks and Support so I just queue on "Flex" and get Priority Pass while still playing DPS lol

  • @placidflunky6642
    @placidflunky6642 2 дня назад +7

    I've been waiting for this one, been talking about this one on stream for a while

  • @shroomer3867
    @shroomer3867 2 дня назад +13

    Overwatch players try not to cry and seethe when trying out new characters and tank roles challenge impossible

  • @yeetadog
    @yeetadog 2 дня назад +5

    that mauga gameplay in the background is so good who's the player

  • @mr.smalllegs5725
    @mr.smalllegs5725 День назад +1

    realeasing more tank characters will make more people to play the role by diversifying the gameplay

  • @maxrosefoxanime7225
    @maxrosefoxanime7225 День назад +4

    I remember useing this system and everytime i keep geting in matching that was pretty much close to end that whole system was done because I used to only match flex and I still only flex

  • @holydoggo4822
    @holydoggo4822 День назад +1

    A priority pass would be pretty good if it didn't get to be stacked beyond like 3 total passes and a pass should only be given for playing a less desired role win or lose

  • @Jon-rv9oh
    @Jon-rv9oh День назад +1

    Great video and hopefully Samito reacts to you so that you get more exposure. I main tank both in OW1 and OW2, and farmed the 40 tickets when it came out. I played mainly QP at a gold / plat level and so I always got games within 4 minutes even with dps. But this issue really was a problem in higher ranks, which wasn't helped by development being dead.

  • @Xenbiotic
    @Xenbiotic 2 дня назад +3

    4:24 I thought scarce was gonna come out from behind that tree for a hot second there

  • @NiteRacer
    @NiteRacer День назад +1

    That meme intro is hilarious

  • @VolodyaTheFroge
    @VolodyaTheFroge 6 часов назад +1

    If i remember correctly Rodhog/Zarya comp was just a flavour of the month cause blizzard gigabuffed Rodhog at that time, and Zarya was just a very good combo with Hog cause she covers his weakness to CC/Ana nade.

  • @JustShotsForMeh
    @JustShotsForMeh 2 дня назад +2

    Almost made me swallow my cigarette with the initial clip

  • @GREED_EU
    @GREED_EU 2 дня назад +6

    Relf has legs?

  • @deolly
    @deolly 2 дня назад +2

    Get ready for Samito to react to this

  • @kayleptwomoons1007
    @kayleptwomoons1007 23 часа назад +1

    Bunch of babys.

  • @peterwake5265
    @peterwake5265 День назад

    What a video though, from Peppa Pig, to Relf’s wiggle dance, to … Jeff!!! … and a subject matter that is a black mirror comedy composed of a conga line of flexing Roadhogs, it’s priceless. Spilo has nothing like this. Really loved the effort and wit that went into this, whether it’s the clips, or wiggly Relf teleporting around Blizzard World.

  • @XxConTrol98kb27
    @XxConTrol98kb27 День назад +1

    Top left corner
    White dot
    I want to rip off my eyelashes

    • @meat3958
      @meat3958 14 часов назад

      Ffs I didn’t see it until a saw your comment. Thanks. 💀🤣

    • @lucjanl1262
      @lucjanl1262 12 часов назад

      Do it

  • @IndeedFlute
    @IndeedFlute 2 дня назад +6

    you think i won't notice the shirt ,relf?

  • @MemoriesGamer612
    @MemoriesGamer612 4 часа назад

    oh yeah i forgot about that priority pass

  • @kaivos
    @kaivos День назад +2

    Bring back hero bans.
    2 tanks 3 Dps and 2 supports and make it to a weekly system FOR COMP ONLY.

    • @Shrimp4Gura
      @Shrimp4Gura День назад

      The weekly bans were bad, when they banned mercy the support queue times were awful cuz they all quit for the week.

    • @nihili4196
      @nihili4196 День назад

      I mean, hero bans were done by a cat.
      We would either need voting system before every match, which would be long process in itself, and that would also make people leave....
      Or don't bother with bans at all

    • @Shrimp4Gura
      @Shrimp4Gura День назад

      @@nihili4196 the cat picked one time and it was only for overwatch league

  • @softhearted8509
    @softhearted8509 День назад

    How 1 type of videos will get me videos

  • @themanwithaplan1460
    @themanwithaplan1460 2 дня назад +6

    Pineapple pizza is good

  • @pocenha
    @pocenha 2 дня назад +1

    Next episode: How George Lucas killed Overwatch and my childhood!

  • @MofoMan2000
    @MofoMan2000 День назад

    One pass for losing is peanuts. One pass is feck all.

  • @andrewkvk1707
    @andrewkvk1707 День назад +2

    So the pass as a concept didn't kill the game, basically every way it was implemented was designed in such a way to cause issues that weren't explicitely necessary.

  • @meat3958
    @meat3958 14 часов назад

    The flossing clip in Times Square was painfully accurate and equally as cringe as the real deal 😭

  • @doug-gimmedome69
    @doug-gimmedome69 День назад +2

    The victim complex of the average OW DPS player should be studied. How do you think the game is against you when so much gets changed around your feelings, to the detriment of the rest of the game?

    • @meat3958
      @meat3958 14 часов назад +1

      Honestly though. All support and dps players do is screech and cry. How do they think tank players feel 💀

  • @schwolmart
    @schwolmart День назад

    I prefer quickly made matches but I have long support queue times at high-ish rank

  • @cringyquackhead2717
    @cringyquackhead2717 День назад

    Add the pass back and let the bronze and champions who get value from it pair together and let those who wait, get matched in balanced lobbies

  • @themanwithaplan1460
    @themanwithaplan1460 2 дня назад +2

    Very good intro

  • @cia4u401
    @cia4u401 2 дня назад +3

    wtf you have legs?

  • @CantankerousCannon
    @CantankerousCannon Час назад

    All this is ignoring the actual worst change to overwatch. Role Queue. It has caused 10x more problems than it solved, and ruined certain players entire playstyles (like myself). I completely quit the game the season after it came out, because it was so contrary to the entire original selling point of the game.

  • @liundeirkil8706
    @liundeirkil8706 День назад

    REALTH PANTS ARE SHOWN WTF IS HAPPENIONG?!?!?!

  • @retroblaze1427
    @retroblaze1427 День назад

    Priority pass made me a support player 💀

  • @vgcontroller101
    @vgcontroller101 День назад

    6:43 just put the Death Wings in the bag bro

  • @ronald6563
    @ronald6563 День назад

    looking sexy realth

  • @theSato
    @theSato День назад +1

    Roll my eyes every time I see a clickbait title like this. It didn't kill overwatch - the game is still alive and well, in the top 10 multiplayer games, and it has stayed there since OW2's re-launch.
    Also, as much as people complain about "abandoning the game" during OW1's time -- let's be real. It was a $40 game that made almost no money beyond the first year. Of course development of new stuff had to slow down to a stop after several years of free updates. It's pointless to hemorrhage money on a product you aren't making anything on that many years after launch.
    It's the whole reason OW2 re-launched as an F2P game and leaned toward a skin shop -- a more long-term, consistent income to fund content and pay devs. (The loot boxes in OW1 never made any meaningful money - the game gave them out like candy and everyone got everything they wanted (and more) without spending a dime)
    As much as people cry and say these were 'bad decisions' (stopping updates on OW1, re-launching as F2P, removing loot boxes, adding a skin shop with paid-only skins) - they are actually good decisions that have saved the game for players who actually love the game -- we get new content regularly, tons of new heroes -- but also opened the door for new players to play as much as they want, without any disadvantages, without a $40 bouncer holding them back at the door.
    The community is healthy, the game is healthy, there are hundreds of thousands of us enjoying our free game daily -- people who say "OW is dead" or other similar statements are really coping because they want to see the game (or Blizzard) fail. That's really what it amounts to.

    • @meat3958
      @meat3958 14 часов назад

      People have a 15+ minute que time in SILVER/GOLD duo or no duo. Que times don’t lie 🤷‍♂️

  • @d4mephisto
    @d4mephisto День назад +2

    Meh. Everyone misunderstands overwatch.
    Team 4 were MMO devs. Especially my hero, Jeff. Not a joke, I genuinely idolize the man.
    Overwatch died because it was never allowed (because of Bobby Kotick and Activision) to become the PvE game that team 4 always meant for it to become. It was kept stuck as a PvP game, preventing what it could have been from ever coming to fruition.
    RIP Overwatch PvE, the dream of you died when Jeff quit Blizzard. But hey, I would've quit too if I learned that my vision was no longer possible. I don't blame Jeff at all.
    Overwatch PvP was just a proof of concept for the game. It's such a shame, we could have genuinely had the next WoW on our hands.

    • @mag1ckyle799
      @mag1ckyle799 День назад +4

      If you make a game, that people love to death, that's fun to play for casuals and competitive players, that wins Game of the Year as the first PvP game ever to do so, why would you change it. Bobby Kotick is a piece of shit, but the one thing he was right about was that Blizzard should've hired more people to work for Overwatch so that you could have a fully staffed team working on the live service PvP game so that Jeff can go work on his PvE dream game. Jeff's "dream" was no longer possible due to his own poor decisions (like the priority pass system), not because of anyone else. He was the director of Overwatch. His job was to make the best game possible. And that's what he did in 2016. It wasn't what he wanted, but it's what everyone else, including his customers, wanted. His job is to make the customers happy, and that is not what he did because he chased his own selfish ambitions. Don't idolize people. No matter how good you think they may be, everyone is always capable of making mistakes. Nobody is perfect.

  • @9lonerr
    @9lonerr День назад +1

    unironically your a top youtuber in my opinion

  • @gary_vfx5559
    @gary_vfx5559 17 часов назад

    Ah yes, a shit system that made an already shit dead game more shittier

  • @SamoyedSagas
    @SamoyedSagas День назад

    The premise of the video is entirely flawed and the fact that you ended it with your own made up conclusion of the priority pass having anything to do the game "dying" is actually crazy.
    Prove your argument instead of just saying empty words.

    • @realth8572
      @realth8572  День назад +3

      Address anything I’ve said and I’ll give you a sticker

    • @SamoyedSagas
      @SamoyedSagas День назад

      @@realth8572 Are you slow in the head or something? I've already addressed something you've said in the video. Priority passes in no way did anything to change the so called "death" of overwatch. You're saying they did yet provide no direct evidence of this being the case.

    • @realth8572
      @realth8572  День назад +1

      @@SamoyedSagas that’s the premise you pleb, the argument and evidence comes after the premise 😂

  • @ZarelidT
    @ZarelidT День назад +1

    Overwatch CATERS to babies you’re all massive babies

  • @meta-memes9060
    @meta-memes9060 День назад

    Tanks should be smaller and with less hp

  • @SocialDesignFlaw
    @SocialDesignFlaw 2 дня назад +1

    It’s hard not to see the clear desire to “get back to Titan” in the OW1 dev team’s decision making.
    Months long waits for numbers patches, lack-lustre design structure for Heroes, and hand-waving surface systems like Priority Pass and LFG that barely constituted a new coat of paint.
    At this point the amount of Trained to Troll reflex in the playerbase is very difficult to contend with, having expanded well beyond the priority pass issues and into general prioritization in gameplay.
    I don’t know that anything could reasonably start to fix that even with a shift to 6v6, beyond the promised hope (and influx of players who abandoned OW before the TtT kicked in) of a brand new game in the franchise.

  • @ForTheJerusalem
    @ForTheJerusalem День назад +1

    Ruin balance with bad character design > try to fix balance with role queue > fail to fix balance with role queue > ruin queue with role queue > try to fix queue with priority pass > ruin everything with priority pass > try to fix queue with 5v5 > ruin everything (queue included) with 5v5 > try to fix everything with 6v6
    I wonder how they will ruin the game next.

  • @HegeRoberto
    @HegeRoberto День назад +2

    I don't even play comp at all.
    For me the expensive skins and zero ways to earn them without paying what killed the game

  • @kezif
    @kezif 2 дня назад +1

    nah, competitive based 6v6 format, aja fundamental game design is what killed overwatch

  • @magoshyyem7436
    @magoshyyem7436 День назад

    i like ow1 orisa

  • @Ccscenario
    @Ccscenario День назад +1

    the 6v6 test needs to come already

    • @RafaelGoulartDF
      @RafaelGoulartDF День назад +1

      to take longer?

    • @Shrimp4Gura
      @Shrimp4Gura День назад +3

      Blizz: who wants 6v6?
      Dps/support players: We do!
      Blizz: ok, who wants to play tank?
      Dps/support players: * silence *

  • @BigSunn0
    @BigSunn0 День назад

    Who cares? It's gone and happened a long time ago. I mean I don't disagree but this video is 21 minutes long.

    • @realth8572
      @realth8572  День назад +3

      6v6 test is due, incentive systems are important for blizzard around about now

  • @Amlink
    @Amlink День назад +4

    DIDNT WATCH THE VIDEO
    Ur capping so hard if you think THE PRIORITY PASS killed the game such desperation for an upload you decided to cook burnt toast for everyone

    • @realth8572
      @realth8572  День назад +6

      Thanks for the engagement

  • @mattevans4377
    @mattevans4377 День назад +1

    Hot take: OW1 Orisa was better than OW2 Orisa

  • @buffhorses3632
    @buffhorses3632 2 дня назад +2

    My guy, OW was dead long before 2019. I'm my personal opinion it started to die around season 6 when mercy was reworked. To be clear mass res did need to be reworked. But the vast majority of my OW friends left the game as soon as dive started to go out of meta. By that point the "casuals" had largely left the game for fortnight and the remaining players got sick of moth and shortly after goats. So in closing the game died when Blizzard started trying to balance the game around bad players. Who could have imagined that?

    • @lukeaustin4465
      @lukeaustin4465 День назад

      Dive was only fun for tank and dps players at the time, it was ass for support. You literally existed on Zen just to get traded when it was a mirror.

  • @peterwake5265
    @peterwake5265 День назад +2

    I still hate the daily XP bonus for playing Flex. I do not want flex players in my games and I do not want to flex. Make it stop Blizz! Make it stop!

  • @BapLampxSuzu
    @BapLampxSuzu День назад

    What ever happened to the “Looking for group” feature? Was it another mandatory cut to make the game work on switch? Was it a PedoBear problem? Or is it just another feature that blizzard will slowly add back overtime and then say hey 👋 we are adding new content...

  • @AlineMaline1
    @AlineMaline1 День назад +2

    just copy the way league of legends works, they have been doing this for years and it works just fine because there was some thought behind it.

  • @zazamaza8648
    @zazamaza8648 День назад

    why make a video about something that was years ago!! Very bad video,wasted a minute of my life

    • @meat3958
      @meat3958 14 часов назад

      You clicked the video, you iPad baby 💀

  • @bu3adel944
    @bu3adel944 10 часов назад

    We will get in 10 years of overeatch dead content. So boring if u dont like the game dont play

  • @karmasmessenger3815
    @karmasmessenger3815 День назад

    Hog should be deleted.

  • @kitsunehimezenko8492
    @kitsunehimezenko8492 12 часов назад

    and yet in overwatch 2 you can queue for all 3 roles and play tank only for an entire session