Whats better BMW GS or GSA?
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- Опубликовано: 18 дек 2016
- This is my review of the BMW GS Adventure versus the "standard" BMW GS. I've owned a standard GS for 3 years and love the bike. In this video I take a look at the differences between the standard GS and the GSA and consider whether the GSA is worth the extra money that it costs over the standard bike.
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Great video. In the US the differences between the two are, spoked wheels, pannier racks, suspension height, different flywheel, front tip over bars, sump guard, bigger tank, led fog lights, enduro pro riding mode, and. navigator 5 cradle standard. At least those were the differences between them in 2016 when I bought my adventure.
Thank you Michael - I forgot to mention the spoked wheels and lights, for some reason BMW do vary the "extras" added to bikes locally. I have a feeling the "TE" model I referred to is a European only spec for example....thanks for watching and for stopping by - TMF
Well done. Im debating on next bike. This ticked all my boxes for questions I have. Cheers
Excellent and well-considered review- you answered a lot of questions I have been mulling over. Still sticking with my 2014 GS WC for now, but there is a GSA in my future.
Glad to be of use Joel - thanks for watching and all the best - TMF
Lovely input, in this video and the one with the GSA testride too! Having ridden the GSA only, I appreciate your review as this choice seems to be surfacing soon.
Thanks Spirit Biker - good luck with it - given two new bikes there's nothing to choose between them (except the tank/lights/spokes the GSA gives you)....
I love my 2019 GSA. Thanks for sharing .
Yet another informative video, thanks for posting. I'm sure many out there are debating whether they should go with GS or GSA, plus your review of the RT......both videos very interesting and helpful.....hard to go wrong with any of the three.
Thanks staudio - you are of course right, if you go for any of those three you won't be disappointed!
Another great TMF review. Thanks very much for all your great work. GSA for me, no question, but I am a tourer as well as a commuter so the tank-capacity alone is a deal-breaker for me against ALL competitors.
+Jim Bob Fair enough Jim!
I have a 2017 GSA and absolutely love it! Although, my transmission must have been transplanted from a John Deer tractor!
TMF, well I think a bang on review mate. I too loved the GS and since owning the GSA I probably wouldn't go back. The smoothness of the engine and drive train is very noticeable particularly on long journeys. Earlier this year I took the GSA down to Gibraltar and back with little effort and extreme comfort. I love this machine it's a masterpiece. Lastly have a wonderful Christmas and thank you for all the fantastic videos this year, please keep them coming....not like me lol. Beans
Cheers Beans - I think actually the new 2017 GS is just as smooth as the GSA now it's had the same engine upgrades, but I completely get why you love your newer GSA over your older GS (the difference between the two is very noticeable) - the Gibraltar trip sounds epic! Did you get any video for us??? Have a great Christmas yourself, I've got loads more ideas for videos coming up so there'll be no shortage from me for at least the next 2 to 3 months... :0)
Good honest review as always, seasons greetings from Cornwall
...Cheers - and to you!
Absolutely love your reviews - some of the most enjoyable and informative on the net from a real world POV :-) As a returning motorcyclist, I found the RT, and GS/GSA reviews especially helpful. I don't think there is really a 'best' pick between them, so much as what best suits you. If you never intended to go off road, the RT is arguably the best at straight touring. For all round sports, commuting and touring, and the ability to go down that dirt or gravel track to a campsite, the GS. If you really want to tour large distances, and manage unexpected unmade roads, then the GSA would come into it's own I think with the extra fuel capacity, better wind/rain protection and the stronger/more versatile luggage options over the GS. I attended the launch of the GSA LC here in Australia, and am very happy to hear that at 5.8" you had no issues with managing it. I'm 5' 9 ½" and on the standard GS with standard seat on low position, I could only just touch the ground with my toes. I dared not try the GSA with the standard seat, for fear I would be unable to touch the floor with my feet - it seemed an enormous machine in the shop! So given the practicalities of very large distances in Australia and the GSA seeming an ideal choice, it's most reassuring to read that those of us under 6" can actually mange them. Please keep up the good work. :-) Very much looking forwards to your review of a K1600GT - arguably the best touring Bike in BMW's portfolio when really long distances at high speeds and fully
loaded or two up come into it, coupled with the refinement of that inline six. It might give away a little nimbleness to the RT in the twists, but makes up for it everywhere else. Interestingly I know of several multiple bike BMW owners, and the K1600GT & R1200 GSA seems to be a favourite combination. Take care and ride safe as always... Kind regards..:-)
Thanks John for your kind words and I'm glad we concur! When I rode the GSA I did have the low seat fitted (just in case!) and it was no trouble at all - not sure I'd like to risk it with the standard height seat and a pillion + panniers though. Cheers - TMF
Excellent topic. You answered many questions! The GSA will be my next bike! Merry Christmas!
Glad to be of service Dutch One! You'll love it - Merry Christmas to you too....TMF
Insightful and informative as usual. Well done!
Thank you Scott...
Great review, really enjoy your channel.
You mention a different (heavier) flywheel in the GSA. Is that still the case with the 2018's? I've been trying to find reference to that to no avail.
Cheers!
Can you believe it, your review prompted me to change my beloved R1200R Sport for a 2000 mile R1200GSA TE in Ocean Blue (collected it today). I forgot how good the bike feels to ride and how much road presence it has. Also this was my first chance to try out my newly acquired Weiss heated gloves - worked a treat especially as we had a bit of light snow in South Herts. One very happy rider!
Hey Guy congratulations! What a lovely bike to own....if only I was on commission for the bike and the gloves!!!!
Thanks for the review. I ordered a GSA.
Good man ;0)
Just bought it! :-) ;-) waiting for the delivery. Thanks for the videos!
Very exciting times eh!
Living in South Africa and being just 169 cm tall the GSA is simply too tall so I had to opt for the standard, beefed up by the the extra crash bars, spot lights, bought in 2007. Traveled close to 240 000 km all over southern Africa, obviously about 1/3 at least off tarred roads and absolutely happy. Only challenge is sandy patches under full load, that's why in Namibia GS stands for 'gien sand', meaning 'no sand'.
Thanks for the time and effort you put into your videos. Much appreciated. I was wondering if you had plans to try out the Ducati Multistrade Enduro for comparison. I would be interested in your opinion.
Hi Phil - I would love to, trouble is it's quite hard to get hold of one to try :0( ...but if the opportunity arises I will certainly do so! Thanks for your kind words of encouragement and thanks for watching and stopping by - TMF
Great video. Got some slack on the 2103 v 2017 comparison but might I just say I've learnt more about the GS here than any other source. There is obviously hours of editing goes into these 10 to 20 minute clips. I bought my 2013 GS1200 last week (with 9500 miles) and no surprises at all...thanks to your videos. Nice to hear BMW has improved the engine so when I can afford a 2017 GS ( in 2020!!), I'll know what to look forward to.
+Graham Kiely Thank you Graham, glad you have found my videos of interest and congratulations on the new bike...as you know they are fabulous bits of kit and now yours is just about run in you can really enjoy it. Have fun and all the best - TMF
I'm fortunate enough to own one of each, both 2016 LC's. The GSA is in regional north Queensland (suited for dirt road touring and plenty of sealed road riding) and the GS is in Sydney for more sealed road touring. Living in Australia fuel range is important. With fuel stops The GSA (around 580km's) refuelling is more like a Car whereas the GS (around 380km's) is more typical of a bike. Apart from that I still can't find a real favourite between the both. I agree, the GSA gearbox and engine is marginally smoother than the GS, but that aside I love both of them. The aluminium luggage on the GSA is better for long range touring whereas the GS Vario luggage is more like a 'suitcase' design and easier to remove if doing it daily. That said, I also have the soft bags for the GSA with all the connecting straps that worry really well. If you need extra luggage fitted for longer touring the GSA panniers with soft bags leave the GS Vario's behind. Like I said, I'm very fortunate to have one of either, so I'm lucky I don't need to make a choice. If I had to then I would have to put the GSA marginally ahead of the GS...oh, I also have spoked wheels on the GS as well......P.S. I do like the bulky look of the GSA.
Jim Bradley 1
Just have my GSA2017 and thanks cosmos I go for it. With daily 100km commune the feeling that I don't need to know where is the gas station here and there is make the riding experience very peaceful.
Some boys just prefer bigger gals Jim Bradley 😉
Is the great box better than a K1600. I hate my K series great box!
KTM73 Never ridden the K1600 so cant say.
Thank you for the great review. My local BMW dealer said that in 2017 both the GS and GSA had the same (better) engine.
+Mark Johnson Yes indeed, both share identical mechanicals now....
@@TheMissendenFlyer as was said in the video 🙄.......I have just PXd my S1000XR for a Triple Black GSA this afternoon. Cant wait. Only owned the XR for 4 months and going back to a GS but this time the big'n 😁
Fabulous review, super informative!
Cheers as ever Pete.....
I had to make this very decision last weekend. 2014 GS or 2017 GSA. Coming off a R9T the first thing I noticed is that both bikes were more mechanical-sounding. Certainly from the heads area. And the gearbox in my 9T seemed smoother. But between the two bikes, with 15k and 25k on them respectively, the GSA was a clear winner. Thanks for the review. Worth adding that the GSA comes with pretty comprehensive crash bars too. Cheers.
Love the vids. Especially when I see that you just posted them.
I was literally wondering your thoughts on the difference and boom, this vid popped up.
As much as fuel and wind protection is important for me, I am just getting off a big Victory cross country tour and I want something small and agile. I have sat on both GSs and test road the adventure. The standard just feels more welcoming and more agile when I'm on it. Less imposing. Less mental thought.
Thanks for the kind words Daniel - and yes, I feel the same way about the standard GS, sort of like the agile athletic sibling of the slightly bloated GSA (don't get me wrong I love that thing too!!) - in reality they handle the same too as I found out....more of a visual thing for me.
I agree with you that the GS looks better, I love the GS wheels vs GSA spoke wheels. New GS (2017 & 2018) models are much smoother, I test rode the GS two days ago, decisions, decision. Great review 👍
Cheers Carl - great bikes eh?
I have tried a two year old gs, liked it, but for me I just love the sound and torque of that three cylinder engine on that triumph, it's down to price and the fact I have a friendly triumph dealer close by.
Fair enough, horse for course and all that - for me the big Triumph sounded like a car (and I love Triumph Triples!) and was horribly top heavy....I guess it also depends on how big a chap you are, I'm not very big and so would have found the Triumph a handful at slow speeds.....
Had my GSA for 18 months now and absolutely love it. Being 6'3" and 18 Stone the bike is just right. Did a trip down to the Pyrenees last August and the large tank came into it's own against Tiger Explorers, whilst they were getting around the 180 mile mark and worrying I was happily carrying on without a care.
Yes there is something to be said for that on the odd occasion, but as a smaller chap having to carry the extra weight/bulk all the time wouldn't be good for me (hence why I have the "small" GS)....
Aw yes we are the wet nurses on the rides aren't we?
TMF I have to go for the GSA. I think it looks much more substantial, plus with range, smother engine and gears I'd go GSA. As far as screens go, I don't think many OEM screens get it right. So nothing out the ordinary to swap out. However thats the great thing about bikes and models, there's something for everyone. Moral of the story....try and get what fits your needs. Great vid as always.
...lovely review and ride along!
Cheers - appreciate the kind words!
A great review and some mysteries solved about the differences in these two iconic machines. Some recommendations from one whom has made a few mistakes in the early days of owning heavy weight Adventure/Tourers; start off with a low fuel load (it really helps to get you used to pulling up, when you have the most risk of a drop) and get some BarkBusters fitted. The brush guards on most new bikes are good cosmetically but they won't take the weight of a parking drop or any crash. BarkBusters are inexpensive and will save you a lot in replaced mirrors, brush guards, blinkers etc.) Regards, David
Nice review TMF... i would add that although the 'scaffolding' may not be to everyones taste and, as you say, it can be removed, it does serve as a bit of a saviour if you do happen to drop it for some reason.
That is true, as do panniers generally of course.....
Nice video, as I am a P.O.R.G (Person Of Restricted Growth) as well, one thing I would like to know is when you go on your tours (like you did in my area, Cornwall) what do you take with you? Do you always carry tyre repair kits and tools everywhere etc. Maybe you can do a video on that? Happy New Year and keep the videos coming I enjoy watching them all :-)
Cheers
Thanks Kevin - What do you mean PORG "as well" - what are you trying to say!!! ;0) As it happens I don't carry tools everywhere bar a very minimal set that includes a few key tools + gaffer tape and cable ties...not sure there's a whole video in there but I will it add it to my list! Thanks for watching - TMF
Great review. Thanks
Stop fighting it TMF, get down to your local BMW dealer and place your order! I love the bulky look of the GSA, like you suggested I'd get the Vario panniers fitted as they are far better suited to my needs.
hehe, funnily enough I am going to my local BMW dealer tomorrow, but not to buy a GSA ;0)
If you're planning to buy a pair of gloves then you'll definitely come out with a shiny new GSA. Can't wait to see the video of you picking it up, wonder if you'll have it by xmas.......
Nice review as always. I'm glad you chose the GSA marginally as I've just put a deposit down for one having watched your reviews lol. As I'm a short ar*e though, I had to go for the lowered suspension version with low seat and my 29 inch inside leg fits fine.
I had a BMW RT1200 a couple of years ago and got on really well with that too, so will let you know how the GSA compares once I've had a few months in the the seat.
Keep those videos coming, they're really helpful 👍
And Merry Xmas for when it arrives.
Cheers Wiltshire E- Biker - you too....TMF
I also love the extra engine protection (Crash bars with the installed driving light) if one was to upgrade all the extra protection of the "Adventure" it would run about the same. I got into a wreck with a car last week and I know that the bars saved the engine(not to mention my leg probably would have taken a beating also) Thanks for your unbiased video!
+gizeright Hope you're ok? How did the bike fair generally?
Well done as always. Thank you.
Another good review, as has already been pointed out all the engine & gearbox upgrades you experienced on the new GSA have been applied to the standard GS. I have ridden both recently & my impressions were that the GSA felt a little more like a tourer & the GS a little more 'fun' & nimble for everyday use although still a very capable touring bike. The steering geometry on the GSA is slightly different to the standard GS apparently for better off road use which in my opinion makes it a little more hard work on the road, although still very manageable. I opted after much thought for one of the last 2017 spec standard GS Triple Black models, should be great....
+Andy G Good choice Andy - and yes, all engine and gearbox upgrades being equal I agree the standard GS becomes an attractive proposition with a little less bulk. Enjoy the triple black, lovely machine....
Again a great video. I own a GSA now and owned the GS LC before, when I bought the GS the LC Adventure was not available. I drove non stop from Andorra back to Amsterdam last year and the GS is a great bike for long trips and mountain riding. For long trips I needed to tank every 300 km, which I found annoying but not really a problem. The GSA is more comfortable, engine and gear indeed smoother and handles almost as good as the GS, considering such a big bike (I don't do offroad although I admire people who can do that). At the the end, both are great bikes and ultimately, choice is based on the looks, which is personal and I find the GSA one of the best looking bikes. The RT (ahum) nice but a bitt dull looking, I wait another 15 years till I'm 60...maybe you should test the 1200R too, probably the best handling flattwin. Before the GS, I had the airccooled R. Keep the videos coming!
Cheers for that - | bought my GS before the GSA was available too and hence it suffers from the lighter flywheel and un-upgraded gearbox etc (still love it mind) - both bikes now share the same engine upgrades and they both ride pretty much the same - i.e. brilliantly! Thanks for watching and for the kind words, all the best - TMF
Hi TMF, good review and comparison as ever. You know my history so it will be no shock that I prefer the GSA; I really like the bulkier looks and feel of the GSA, it would give the confidence of being able to ride through a barn door if you had to! Cheers for now and safe riding, Andy
+Andrew Tofts ...none the less maybe don't try that one?
you forgot that the crashbars and fog lamps comes as standard on the GSA
Love the look of the GSA! Great video!!
Thank you!
Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I appreciate it
My pleasure!
Also the gsa comes out as standard with spoked wheels (and maybe extra lights) which I prefer and suspect if I bought would make the models similar cost.
Yes I forgot to mention that, and indeed the driving lights are standard on the GSA.......
Shelley Raskin yeah, and those wheels make a big difference in the appearance. the spokes look so much better. Also i thought the suspension has a longer way on the gsa? making it a little taller?
Thanks for an excellent video! Just about to make a decision on my next bike. Initially had planned to check out both a Yamaha and a KTM. Have a 1200RT which has served me well, but want something more adventurous, that works well on gravel as well as tarmac, good or poor (of which we have lots). Having seen your video I am more convinced than before GSA is the way to go :)
Thanks Knut - You can't go wrong with a GSA....you'll love the bike!
I upgraded from the GS LC to the GSA LC about 6 months ago and found the transition to be pretty seamless. You get used to the more bulky proportions quite quickly. I was even surprised i could pick up the GSA without too much difficulty after dropping it in the car park once.
The higher seat height is also no issue if you can flat foot on the GSA.
I also fee the GSA has stronger engine braking than the GS, not sure if that is due to the bigger flywheel.
Apart from that, quite an uneventful transition. I prefer the GSA due to the larger presence , which makes it safer on the road.
Hi Jimmy - interesting to hear what you say about picking up the GSA....not actually sure I could manage the standard GS on my own!!! (I know it's all technique, but I don't want to put it to the test!). Glad you're loving the GSA, it is an amazing machine - all the best - TMF
Great report, would like to see how it compares with 2017 GS but prefer GSA colours
Yes that would be a fairer comparison - given the GS has now had the same engine upgrades (fly wheel, gearbox, etc) I suspect there is even less to choose between them and just comes down to which you like the look of best and whether you need a larger fuel tank! Thanks for watching - TMF
I love the old boxers, oddly, a favourite was the 60/6 as the R100T was like a tractor, but still, simple, totally reliable
They are the two great machines, pity are very expensive. Great review mate.
Cheers
Eduardo
Thank you Eduardo - and I agree on both counts!
Hey, am just looking at the purchase of the GSA and have to say that after watching many of your GS vids, was really happy and very surprised to see you claim the GSA "slightly" better.
Many folk are so biased due to their financial outlay, that they'd never dream of such a vid.
This makes watching your reviews and videos just that more time efficient and overall great
Thank you SIR
Keep up the good work and hope you get the GSA, when the "time" is right
;-)
Very kind of you Don. Having thought about this in the few days since I did that ride, and given the standard bike now has the same engine smoothness and gearbox as the GSA, the choice is even more marginal....I'm not so sure the GSA is better, just different in that it has a bigger fuel tank and a slightly bulkier looking front end. Tricky one (luckily I'm not currently in the market - I'm going to wait for the "all new" model to break cover...and then 12 months later the GSA version of that)...thanks for the kind words - TMF
Decisions, decisions, wow for choice tho
Still bias for me ,honestly put , would be the aggressive looking GSA tank, not necc, it's ltr capacity... just adds to the overall feel of having a 1200 bike , with the "muscles" to show .
Ta, mate
Yes there's something to be said for having the "Daddy" - I get that....
Your biggest choice is now that you are near the end of warranty, to swap for a new GS or GS/A or not. The pattern due to costs of parts is pretty commonly to swap them at the end of warranty period. You tend to see a lot of them right at 3yr/36k mile mark as used.
A bit of trivia there, the LED headlight is a full assembly. If you crack the lens, you have to replace the full assembly, it's $1160 USD on my GS/A so I put one of the headlight guards on it quickly. Those sorts of parts hits can make them hard to take when off warranty. The old models' ABS controller, $2300 USD for the module.
...I only got a 2 year warranty with mine - so ran out a year ago!
I bought my 2016 R1200 GS LC GSA mainly for the gas tank. At a true 100 kph I can easily get 600 km to the tank. I hate stopping for gas, the time really cuts into the big distance days. Its also why I have a R1150 GSA, R100 GS and R80 G/S PD.
So safe to say you're a but of a GS fan then! ...and yes completely agree, if you need the range (as you clearly do) then the GSA is the one to go for - both brilliant machines though....
Well other than cosmetics, both machines are identical. Just like my R100 GS is to the R100 GS Paris Dakar...same engine, same tranny, same final drive. But I have to say I am impressed with my new R1200 GS LC GSA. Now to see how all that "high tech" is reliable, the reason why I would never sell my R100 GS.
Outstanding comparison and I loved the audio inside the helmet. Seems like it would be excellent for good communication, may I ask which helmet you use? Thanks for the video, cheers.
Thanks for the kind words - the helmet I use on the GS is the Arai Tour X4 - thanks for watching - TMF
MF, I always enjoy your videos - intelligently narrated and well filmed. I liked the way your video changed back and forth between the two bikes. Well done, and thanks!
Thank you for watching Don - cheers - TMF
LOVE the test rides. Thank YOU!
Question 1: How in the heck do you remember all those specs on the all the bikes you test ride??!! You cannot be eyeing a cheat sheet while riding. Good on ya Mate!
Question 2: Are the wheels/tires the same on this bike as on my 2012 F650GS??
+Tracy D re 1: I do have a cheat sheet, you'll notice I only do the full spec when I walk round the bike - cam in one hand, cheat sheet in the other. Re 2: dunno, sorry!
Glad to hear that. I had a 2005 R1200GS and am now in the market for a new GSLC. It's good to hear, from a standard GS rider, that the GSA might be a slightly better choice. Thanks.
To be fair it's marginal at best - now the standard GS has the improved engine internals and gearbox there really is not a lot to choose between them - really depends if a big fuel tank is a must have for you or not....
The fuel capacity is what appeals to me the most. Here in Canada the distances are great and the long haul is what i'm after. Cheers
Makes complete sense....
Hi TMF great videos of late loved the Scottish western isle's 👍 just wondered what your thoughts are now, knowing things have moved on with the engine & gearbox being the same on the GS TE along with the choice of TFT also available on the GS, which you might choose now 🤔
Tricky one and I change my mind all the time - I might be tempted by the GSA just for a change....plus that extra range would be good on longer trips to remote places......
The engine and bodywork protection that comes standard on the GSA is also worth several hundred dollars which helps swallow the extra cost. Personally I love the looks of the GSA VS GS. Like a Jeep vs a hummer.
I just purchased the 2017 GS Adventure. What amazes me is how easy it is to put on miles. A friend said to me it "eats miles". The comfort and handling make distances seem much closer. I have 3000 miles on mine. Loving it.
Yes they are great aren’t they....
I remember these being introduced years ago. I didn't see the point of them. I still think most use them as a motorway tourer, so the RTs seem to make more sense to me, yet I quite fancy a GS :)
...I think it comes down to what style you like. The RT is an amazing bit of kit to ride, but I too prefer the rugged look of the GS...for now ;0)
Been trying to decide between the two, this helped sort some things out that were rattling around up there. Thanks for the honest review. Cheers.
You're welcome zROuth, thanks for watching and for the kind comment - all the best - TMF
Having just test driven both 1250 models, they are both superb. On the road, mechanically and performance wise I couldn't tell the difference. The new engine is noticeably better than 2017 models. The GSA has a taller screen which may matter to the taller person.The extra 20cm of suspension on GSA is more challenging for the shorter person or older person whose hips may be slightly knackered. I think I am going to choose the GS, it feels lighter, more agile and for my riding (roads)is a better fit. The GSA is superb but is over specced for my activities. In this last year I have ridden my 8 year old RT in Scandinavia and Morocco and I really like the RT. If I were touring 2 up the 1250 RT would be my choice but it has a lot of plastic to look after and worry about, a few scratches on a GS not problem.
I've watched this video a few times as I still continue to ponder on the GS Vs GSA question, but hadn't noticed the Suzuki Ignis @8:50 before. I see they are running on UK roads already? cool!
Well spotted! ...and good luck with your ponderings!
Hi TMF, another great vid. My only thought is your comparing your 13 plate bike with a new one which you rightly point out has some engine mods. If I'm right the later machine has a heavier crank also. What would your thoughts be if both the new GS/GSA rode smoothly. Would be interested to know if you'd still choose the GSA. Cheers & all the best for 2017, Karl.
Yes you are exactly right Karl - it's a very marginal choice. I think in hindsight, all things being equal, I might actually go with the standard bike on weight grounds alone (I've no need for a huge tank or the alu panniers). In the three years since my bike was developed BMW have made some good improvements to these machines - notably smoothness of the engine and the gearbox. Good to hear from you again!
Hello, TheMissendenFlyer, I am looking into both these bikes, how are they on long distance rides. Most of my friends do a 1200 mile ride over a few days throughout the year and were wondering if these bikes are comfortable enough to ride those distances.
I did nearly two thousand miles on mine the weekend before last - no issues....
Another nice video TMF :)
Thank you sir!
Great video's, I have just bought a 17R1200RT. A little off topic but can you share the camera and mic you use for the video's you do.
+Adrian Ryan Hi Adrian, checkout the details in the description - thanks for watching - TMF
As always nice video, what would I choose? Triumph Explorer every time.
Seriously Peter? Have you tried a new GS??
Great review as usual TMF👍
Thank you Alan...
You welcome, I love all your vlogs and I'm looking forward to the 3 year ownership review on your GS.
What a refreshingly honest video!
I don't know why your'e fighting it, just go and do the deal. lol
I actually love the bulky aggresive looks compared to my 13 plate gs and as you say it takes minutes to get rid of the scaffolding, I only put mine back on when i'm off touring any distance, long weekends etc. just a kriega strapped to the back and a tank bag.
What colour do you think you'll get?
Steady on Danny!! ;0)
The flywheel is the 2014 upgrade over 2013 because of the complaints about stalling. I believe it's the same on both versions.
Yes it is the same on both now - a better review (obviously) would have been for me to compare both brand-new bikes...but alas I didn't have that option. Thanks for watching and for stopping by - TMF
thank for the input good vid
Thank you for watching...
Well done, I like how you compared the handling between both of them, that is very beneficial. Another reviewer said that although both handle well, he felt the GSA feels more "refined" in terms of handling, do you agree with that?
No I’m not sure I do - they both feel the same to me (it’s just surprising that the bigger GSA still handles like that)....
was waiting for this comparisons. i m suprised you prefer the GS adventure.
i testdrove both bikes and the 2016 standard GS didn t feel different compared to the adventure. i think the engine was as smooth as the adventures engine.
anyway I baught the GSA because I love this big adventure look ith the crash bars, the alu panniers any the spoke wheels. my dealer told me: no one in Europe needs a GSA 😉 but if you want one, get one 😂👍
btw I also like landrover defender 😉 best British car ever 💪
great video
cheers Tom
Cheers Tom - and yes, as you say, if you compare two 2017 machines there's little between them....
Even on the looks I would purchase the GS!! The Adventure made me going to look into motorcycles years ago.. Just keep on saving money for my first bike!
Yes I think I prefer the GS to the GSA on the looks front, just a bit less bulbous....
Great review! I have a question. I'm 5'6 so is the bike adjustable for those of us who are vertically challenged? I can't imagine my lady and I being able to have fun together if I can't keep at least one foot flush on the road. Thanks
You can get a low seat and a lowered suspension version - so yes!
Hello! I just got a gs here in Brazil, amazing bike, im loving it, feels like i can spend an entire day on it, opposed to all bikes i had before. Just sometimes my head wobbles a bit at speed, giving me headaches. Do you think it can be the windscreen or helmet? Is it worth trying a new helmet or change to the adventure windscreen ( sold here as an optional ) or buy a windscreen elsewhere, like from Givi? Regards!
I’d go for a windscreen change first - fixed mine with an Mra varioscreen....
The gearbox is improved on all 2017 models, both GS and GSA, it is now much less "agricultural".
Yes indeed - I should have captioned that too....
TheMissendenFlye
Very much so my 2017 Rallye has a wonderful gear change.
A couple of observations: The GSA comes with fog lights and spoked wheels fitted as standard both of which are a cost option on the GS. The seats are interchangeable with the GS but are not the same. The rider's seat is very different however I noticed you had a low seat fitted on the test bike. The flywheel is heavier and not bigger. The heavier flywheel was fitted to the 2014 model year GS onward. All in all, another excellent Vlog !
Thanks Paul and yes you are right on all points, I don't suppose you will be the last person to point them out!! I did forget about the spots and spokes and that is well worth noting - I find spokes a PITA to clean but the spotlights are brilliant (as I have them on my standard machine and they really make you stand out to other traffic).....thanks for watching and for stopping by - TMF
I think the spokes and black rims really make the look of the bike. Never had an issue keeping mine clean. FS365 is your friend then once a month wash it off with a proprietary cleaner then reapply the FS365 ..... Luvverly
Fair enough.....I'll leave 'em to you ;0)
Interesting choice TMF. I tested both back in the summer before choosing the standard GS. But I was coming from a K1600, and wanted to move to something much lighter, and the GSA just felt that bit heavier to move around, and didn't "flow" as easily as the standard bike through the bends. Having said that, my only regret with the standard bike, is the range. I often go to see my father in Gloucester from near Portsmouth, which is about 210-220 miles (round trip), so that is a tiny amount over one tank with standard bike, so I always need to fill up somewhere en-route - usually somewhere where there isn't a petrol station!
I wonder if you'd feel the same if your test had been back to back with both being new bikes. I didn't notice any difference in smoothness on my test - not that I was looking for any!
Great review, keep them up. Merry Christmas
Glenn
Thanks Glenn - and I suspect not, given a new standard bike and a new GSA I would struggle to come up with a reason to go for the GSA other than "I feel it's the top of the range and snobbery makes me want one"...
Ha Ha, I know what you mean, I have that problem!
Hi TMF, a bit late viewing this one matey. Love your channel, but :-) all the things you dont like about the Adventure, i love, i love the the aggressive look, i like the scaffolding, and in the past ive always been the one that had to fuel up first, not now, i prefer the spokes, although a night mare to clean around. And, was so supprised when you said you would buy the Adventure over the standard. Its a year or so since you did this vlog, whats feeling on the two at the moment? Always look forward to your stuff, have a good weekend and look forward to more 'Stuff'. PS that screen on the Adveture you drove, looks bloody terrible.
I think if I was buying myself tomorrow I might be tempted to go for a GS Rallye....but reserve the right to change my mind again...
Very interesting TMF, are you going to take the 2017 standard GS for a spin to see how it compares to yours?
That's a good idea! I suspect it would only unsettle me!! ;0)
Would have enjoyed seeing a comparison off road. I have a 2013 LC GS but have a mate in Canada who I persuaded to buy a GS and he went for the GSA. Love the look of his big girl and on a visit back home sat on it and thought it wasn't nearly as big as I thought it might be. Just curious on the characteristics of the two off road. That's why I bought mine....to go down those dirt roads and trails I couldn't go on a road bike :-)
Sorry about that, missed my chance now :0(
Sir one query please answer do u have done any valve check like ducati or does it not any require valve check in life forever??
Thanks for the vlogs. What software do you use to splice clips and add titles, etc. GSA every time by the way. 😀
+Rob Steele You're welcome Rob...I use PowerDirector on the PC for editing....
Many thanks.
More than happy with my red (the quickest) 2016 GS TE. Heavier flywheel, smooth(ish) gearbox, full bars, spokkie wheels, Shift assist, keyless, everything bar the alarm. Use the change to put more petrol in the tank not cart it around.
Yes I agree about the red (this applies to all bikes of course).....and like your style on using petrol v carrying it! :0)
After watching countless videos (including yours), it all comes down to this:
1. GS/GSA
2. S1000XR
3. KTM 1290 SAS/SAT
4. KTM 1290 SDGT
5. Yamaha MT-09/900 Tracer GT
Argh. Great video as always TMF!
Go with number 1 ;0)
Ok TMF, which GS then?
1. GS Exclusive (US Spec only, I think)
2. GS Rally/Rallye
3. GS Adventure
^ Sorry, if I kept on asking.
I already test rode the GS Rally (check out my video: ruclips.net/video/RicHmq9SY5w/видео.html) and yes, the GS Rally Blue is gorgeous!
1- gsa
2- Ktm SAT
Great video thank you. 2 questions of I may. 1) do both models have cruise control. 2) how would the gear box compare to clunkyness against my K1600. I hate the K series gear box!
Thank you.
1 yes they do 2 the gearbox is worse than the K series bikes!
@@TheMissendenFlyer worse than the K? Seriously?
yup...
Thanks!!
Great Review, honest and practical. I just sold my 2008 Adventure a few months ago, considering another for the Spring. I have had a Another in 2004 both bought new and my experience of both was excellent. Can't wait to test ride the 2017 model. What camera and voice recording system are you using? Safe Riding and thanks for your Videos.
I do own a 2015 GSA, which is a great bike. As i ride it with very big cases at the back, i do like the bigger front of the adventure. The larger tank is also an advantage i wanted to have, as well as the spoke wheels (which are suitable for the normal GS as well). A problem that both cycles have (as well as many others: although their handlebars are quite wide, you still can't see anything in your rearview-mirrors (except your shoulders...). In summary, there is no better bike for two people to travel with luggage for two weeks (perhaps, other bikes are AS good, but none will be better)
+Moppedsebi I agree! Thanks for watching and for stopping by - all the best - TMF
You may have a video about this somewhere, but in 2019, nearly 2020, what's your opinion of the GSA v the 1250 GS HP's that you have ridden at Torro Adventure? I live down in Spain and for a weekend bike for day rides I am leaning towards the standard GS HP....
I think all the same arguments hold true if you compare a GSA1250 with a standard GS1250. ...
Nice comparo. It would be good to compare the GS vs. GSA in the same model year. I recently sold my 2012 air/oil cooled GS and upgraded to a used 2016 GSA. The bikes are more similar than different than any others I could compare to. The engine and transmission are the biggest differences. The engine is more powerful, especially roll-on acceleration in any gear. I agree that the new transmission is a significant improvement as well. One comment about the larger fuel tank on the GSA. I don't have to fill it, but why wouldn't I? But, if I didn't like the extra weight of the fully laden tank, I could always stop at 4.5 gals, and make it equal to the GS. Also, I wanted to mention that the GSA comes standard with the extra crash protection, increased suspension travel front and rear, and a 720 watt alternator, vs. the 510 watt on the standard. I don't know this for sure, but I thought that the GSA had large fork stanchions as well. Lastly, I'm 5'9" and 150 lbs (175 cm and 68 kg). I fit both bikes well, running the standard seats, with standard suspension. The GSA feels to be about 1" taller, but the BMW website indicates 40 mm taller on the GSA at the seat.
Thank you Mark - great feedback, all the best - TMF
I have a question well two really, I have a 2007 r1200gs several months ago I experienced what I can only say resembled what we used to call a tank slap in the old days, I have to admit not experiencing something like this for many years I thought I was a goner!the only thing I put it down to was having the top box fitted and the wind coming over the top and causing the bike to sit down so to speak and making it go light on the front end,have you ever experienced this? Also, have you ever noticed on easy for the front end to wobble if you put that kind of input through the handlebars, I only noticed this when trying to figure out why my front end suddenly started to drift, have you any thoughts on this?
I have noticed a lightness on the front end at very high speed on the Autobahn with a top box, but my 2014 Model Year has a steering damper so it never developed into a wobble - what year is yours? The original LC GS didn't have a steering damper fitted....
I would choose the GSA if only for the larger fuel tank. If money was no object.
Fair enough....
TheMissendenFlyer If BMW had the electrically controlled windscreen like the RT it would make choosing a lot harder for me.
You did not mention about rake angle of the GSA is different to the standard GS, making it more agile. I am riding the standard GSA 2016, those extras alone make up the price difference.
...I didn't know that Affnan Aquaponics.....thanks for the clarification!
I liked your report between the GS and the GS Adventure, I do own a GS. Now you are not commenting on the wheel which I was hoping you would do. You see you ride the GS in England where the streets are nice and smooth. I ride in Central America where we have a lot of bad roads and pad-holes. I had already the experience of bending my aluminum rims which I had to change.
Which one you thing are better?
Well on rough surfaces like you describe spoked wheels are the way to go due ease of repair....cleaning is a pain though!
TMF: At 5 ft. 8", do you find the 850 mm/33.5" seat height of the GS just right, or do you think a GS/GSA with lower seat height or lower suspension might be a better fit for you? Thank you, and I really enjoy your videos!
I have the low seat fitted - that works well for me....
Main thing ive noticed of worth between my standard, and dads GSA. GSA has upgraded rear brake lever for off road standing riding. Bigger tank, Spoked wheels. I wouldnt pay attention about smoothness of engine, their identical and in your head!
+Sam Aylott I'm not sure spoked wheels and a different brake lever would persuade me to swap in my "standard" GS....wheels of the devil!! :0)
Are you doing a Multistrada 1200 enduro review anytime soon?
And what do you do for a living if I may ask? Cheers!
No plans but I am talking to Ducati about the possibility of borrowing bikes in future - I hope it will come off by the end of the year as I'm a Ducati fan and it's a shame not to cover their awesome machines.
...and I do this and that for a living, you know the sort of thing... ;0) Think of me as retired, that's close enough....