Damn! You're actually right! And you're the first person that realized that. All my life I was thinking wrong. Thanks so much for sharing this as it's great info! I believe that so many of us may be wrong - as just has been proved on my example. Thanks again!
I am short person. My height is 165 cm and my weight at that time was 78kg and I rode gs adventure. It's more difficult in the city than it is for a taller person, but I got used to it. I only reached the ground with one foot, and to do that, I had to have the bike a little bent to the side. Once you get going, it all falls away and Your only concern is not to spend all day on it. Message for short people: You may be short but you have to be able to handle yourself and stop bitching about your height. Get your shit together, own your height and enjoy riding any bike
I experienced 180.000 kms on a “regular” GS and 70.000 kms on a 1200 adventure. I recently purchased a new 1250 GSA. I will never go back to the regular version, despite my length (1.78 m)
Why? And Why did you not say the reason? Is it top secret information why you will only have the GS Adventure. I am also thinking about getting the Adventure, mostly because the bigger gasoline tank. The gas stations are been closed down one after the other, the last years lost 3 gas stations around where I live. Now I have to drive all the way out of the city to get to a gas station. So when I park, I'm always low on gas. It take so much time to get somewhere. When I always have to get fuel, when going somewhere. And I am sick of it. But now I have only 10 liter tank on my scooter. Wish it had much bigger tank. At lest 5 liter more. Now I cant fuel before I have less then half a tank. Because the stations have a limit on at least has to fuel 5 liter of gas. There is a lot of extra work and stress in bringing an extra jug of petrol. And it takes so much space.
I just took delivery on a 2021 GS-1250 "Triple Black", still waiting for the road salt and all the snow here in NJ to melt, and let a good rain fall clean the roads and I'm ready for Spring !!!
Nice video, very precise and down to the point. I’ve had 2 1200GS’s and now since January 2019 I have a 1250GSA with just about every option you can think of. I will never go back to a GS for 2 reasons, one is the paniers and second the fuel tank. I measure 1.77m tall and am able to have both feet on the ground with just having redone the seat by a secialist in Grenoble France. With my 1250 I’ve now done 28000 km and it runs like a dream. Thanks again for taking the time to create this great video.
I'm glad you liked the video. You've got a brilliant motorcycle and it's interesting what you mentioned about redoing the seat and achieving a possibility of putting both feet on the ground. Good job!
I'm 5'8", and I owned a 2015 BMW R1200GS ADV "Olive green". I spent almost 8 months crossing the Andes mountain, Atacama desert and Chilean & Argentinian Patagonia. I never had so much fun riding a bike, and living in California i can easily ride any type of bike. My first GS was the 2015 BMW GS, 5 months later I traded it for the 2015 GSA, I bought the last batch for the year, It could easily be registered as 2016 model but I decided to keep it as 2015. It's not about how tall you are (well, unless you are really short) It's about how you handle it.
Wow, handing and ADV isn't necessarily that easy of a thing for some of us. But hey, this sentence got me especially interested: "living in California i can easily ride any type of bike" - what did you mean here? I'm honestly curious.
I had 1200 gs lc and I have 1200 gsa lc now. Some differences most likely have not changed with 1250 models. My main observations: gs was for me most comfortable in highest seat position (I am 1,80m with some limitations in legs joints flexibility and only high and low position were gs options in 2013), but on gsa I have seat front on high and seat back on low to be comfortable. If both sides on high, it pushes me too much towards the wide tank. On gs, I automatically had to put my feet balls on footpegs to have the best position. Not so on gsa, footpegs are right there where I want to have them when riding (it might be because of wider tank). I mostly ride the highest suspension position (rider with luggage, although i do not travel a lot) in comfort mode and even 10 hours ride with some short stops is not a problem. Gs is in general a bit nimbler, easier to manoeuvre at slow speed when parking, it is like a mountain bike when you compare it even with air cooled previous model, although being heavier. When parking gsa, some attention is needed. I do only easy off road, so no big difference, except when suddenly stoping in not ideal position of the bike - gsa is heavier and higher. Main gsa advantages: You can enjoy even highway rides, speed limits are not a problem, because you are not nervous when waiting limits to end, massive look and in each city you are riding through, you have feeling, you are just conquering that city, especially in matte olive colour with tons of accessories..... Although both bikes are great, I will always stay with gsa.
I made this decision 2 days ago. I almost went with the GS. But I’ve always wanted a GSA and I thought if I didn’t get it, I’d regret it later. So I got it. It’s a big ole FAT motorcycle. Love it.
@15:02, it really depends on your height(as you mentioned). I owned an older GS but sold it and bought a GS adventure, I am 6'3", 225# , and the adventure "fits" me better. I don't see myself "falling down more often" just because it's an inch or so taller, and the bulkiness if the Adventure's tank (and thus, extra weight), is quite negligible ( again, for taller riders). Also, consider "rolling weight" ... the bulkiness of the GSA completely disappears once you are moving. It's only when you are moving it around in the garage that you may notice it.
I do believe that once a bike's moving, they both do it perfectly and additional weight of an Adventure is just a number in our heads. As for reaching the ground and the risk of falling down, then if you're that tall, it may simply not make a big difference to you.
Take the official fuel consumption figures with a pinch of salt. I just completed a tour in Europe and got only 160 miles out of a tank full on my GS. Thinking about getting the GSA purely for increased range👍
Great video - very enjoyable! Thank you! I have a 2018 R1200GSA, which I have only ridden home from the dealers, about 100 km in total in that last month!! ... I can't wait until the level 5 lockdown is finished in Ireland. This is my first GSA, I traded in an XR, and before that I had a couple of RTs, and for variety some fireblades, a Vstrom, Varadero, and Bandits. I am sooo looking forward to riding the GS. I have no interest in going off road, but I do like the idea of the big tank, and the bigger size of the adventure. I am not a small guy!! :) I look forward to your next presentations!!
Thanks and wow - nice set of bikes you've had! Really cool ones I think. I appreciate your feedback and I'm happy that you liked the video. All the best! :)
I own a 2018 R1200GS Adventure Rallye since august '18, rode it 43000 km by now in all weather conditions and the fuel comsumption BMW indicates is true. I ride a good mix of about 50/50 city/overland and I always cover distances between 550km and 600km in road mode. The onboard-computer always displays 4,5l to 5,5l fuel consumption. I would always prefer the Adventure over the normal version again. It's worth the higher price in my opinion!
Hi, just purchased a 2023 GSA (Triple Black) which is still stored at the dealer. I just feel the GSA looks better and beefier. It is certainly nice to have the extra fuel. I don't have to fill it up all the way when I go in the dirt. When I test rode it, I adjusted the seat to the lower setting (I am 6'1 ft = 186cm). Seat felt comfy on the test ride, but I know for sure when I ride her home (600 miles). Thanks for the in-depth comparison. It just confirmed my bike choice 🙂
I´m 186cm. Bought myself a 2020 GS1250 HP last year. Got the GS instead of the GSA cause i like the color og the HP better than the HP GSA... i bought it with +2cm suspension and high rally seat. Price wise a GSA would come out better since its including all crashbars etc.... Lowered the pegs by 2 cm so i have relaxed knee angle, and short distanse from ass to seat when standing... I ride it on gravel roads and single tracks. Absoluttely awsome machine!!!!!
I'm the same high as you mate, test ride the gs rallye last Friday and the next day I bought it. The best bike i ever ridden,i rode her for 3 hours test ride and I absolutely fellin live with her. So nimble and agile. I don't have a chance to try the Gsa coz the dealer didn't have the demo. Now i look on RUclips that many people choose Gsa over Gs? Does the Gsa more comfortable over Gs? I'm driving 100% on tarmac only.
@@user-tx5dy1fz4g you have more wind/weather protection on the GSA. bigger tank and some might argue a bit better seat...but thats all a matter of preferance. GS feels more agile and nimble than the GSA since it´s lighter and feels narrower du to the smaler tank. anyway, theyr both excellent machines!
GS vs GSA IMHO in my country (Australia) if you answer yes to two of the below buy the GSA. 1) Are you going off-road and want spoked wheels and / or the extra suspension travel & clearance? 2) Are you likely to travel 500km (extra range) in a day possible / likely? 3) Would you add Luggage, Enduro foot pegs, adjustable foot controls, additional lights, or crash bars? BONUS 4) Do you just want a GSA? If you answered yes to two or more, spend the extra AU$4000
I can't believe this. You answered all the questions I wanted to know and some very important ones I never thought of. Im at the point of buying a Gs but my problem is I need to get it through a door 36" wide. I'm hoping I can wiggle the bars through a couple of inches but as you rightly mentioned the Adventure is wider but thank you so much for informing me that this is due to the hand guards. Not even BMW main stealers could tell me that and just wanted me to buy an Adventure. Thanks again. Its a Sub and a thumbs up from me 👍
Thanks for sharing this. I'm very happy that I could be helpful. Also, it's funny that the dealers could not answer your question but hey, that's what we're here for! All the best!
6 foot 7 inches and 260 pounds ... in good shape for a 71 year old. Never owned a big bike before. Hope I can handle this GSA beauty. Thanks for the great detailed comparison!
my understanding is with height is with the R1250GS rally you can get two suspension settings but you have to order it when you purchase the bike new that is standard and sport and the difference is the sport gives you 2.5" more lift
I've done Alaska, New Zealand ( both islands), Spain and Vegas to Sturgis in 1200/ 1250's GS's. I own a GSA 1250 that I took to the Smokey Mountains ( Dragon included!), Daytona, the Keys...( I live in Miami)...Very Little differences in handling, braking or handling above 10 miles per hour...The range extension benefit of the GSA, would only be extremely noticeable in less developed environments..( i.e. going to Prudhoe Bay). Otherwise, the best motorcycle for what I do. Long travels with parts of non paved roads (i.e Denali Highway or Mc Carthy Road in Alaska, backroads in New Zealand or the fantastic County Roads all over the great US of A!)
Hi V-Told, Thanks for comparison between GS Adventure and regular GS. That help me a lot to select my new GS. BMW bikes are expensive and parts too. As this is my first bike, after buying bike there are other expenses also.
Just a small correction: with the 2021 model, you can get the rack for the aluminum panniers with the normal GS at no additional cost, which is what a got on my new 2021 Triple Black GS :)
Great video again...I've owned both and agree with your comparisons. I'd love to to have one of each but currently own a GSA since I tour/camp and do some light off-road riding.
I'm glad you like the video. If you're big and physically strong enough, GSA has pretty much everything that a regular GS has and more. So if you don't mind the extra weight and physical requirements to handle it, I guess you're not missing out on anything really. All the best with your beast!
Hi! Very interesting video! Thank you! On my humble opinion, if you try to equipe the Standard GS with just a few things that the GSA has in standard, you will see that the prices will be about the same.... Am talking about using BMW genuine parts. With Engine Guard, heated grips, and hands protections the GS will cost about the same as the GSA. So people who are gonna pick the Standard GS should think about ride it without adding many things. That's gonna be a great bike without having a lot of extra options.
I believe that you made a valid point about adding some accessories. Still, this gives a choice of adding some while skipping others, and with the ADV there's no such option with those same parts. But yes, this should be definitely considered.
Re: Filling the fuel. I ride Versys X 250 with 17 liter tank. I only fill it to the fullest when I return to my village, and back when my workplace was far-ish. When I got a job half the distance to my previous work place area, I tend to fill it less full (hence, overall fill frequency is the same-ish. If previous full is $20, I would only spend $10 per fill now). I wish these adventure bike follows the Tenere 700 ( which if I think correctly the one that have the most of gas volume very low on the bike). Just my 2 cent.
So I tested both multistrada and bmw a few days ago. I’m a Harley rider by birth but will change concept entirely now. How did you experience the difference between Ducati and BMW?
Thanks, Frank. I'm glad that you like the video. You're actually making one of the most awesome choices possible in the whole motorcycle industry. I'm happy for you. @Lemi asks about your experience as a potential buyer of one of these bikes and I'm also curious to see which bike you're leaning towards to more.
The GSA would be fine for me. But I don't need the larger tank, it's awkward looking, and when full, makes the bike top heavier. I added an after market larger windshield, and an MRA X-creen as I'm 6'5", a taller seat, after market engine guards, with highway pegs. I also added BMW side cases. It fit me wonderfully and feels more toss-able, than my former GSA.
So I understand that you've gone with GS without the "A" then. GS is a pretty large bike anyway and I feel that one of the best options for taller guys like yourself. Sounds like you've taken a good care of yours equipping it with additional features. Good luck with the bike!
Nice review but it needs a correction. Higher handlebars means not more but LESS force to keep the bike upright. The longer moment arm gets the less force it needs.
If I wanted to ride off road I wouldn’t buy a GS, the GSA is the perfect road bike, even better than the two standard GSs I owned previously. It’s a tall beast though if you have a sub 30” inside leg. May be my imagination but I think the GSA looks better and has a plusher ride, may be the extra weight.
Thank you for the video, lots of good information. I bought the "regular" 1250GS and so far I have no regrets at all. Oh, and yes, I added lower crash bars and my GS came with spoked wheels and hand guards. PS - I don't get anywhere near 400km on a full tank.
@@VToldsMotoShow Hi. My low fuel light comes on at about 260 ish km. I don't usually wait until the light comes on though. If the TFT is to be believed right now it stats 4.9L per 100km. Cheers.
I did it once, on a tour with my wife in germany. She was following with her R1200R so we were adhering to the speedlimits everywhere and keeping acceleration within the 'driving miss Daisy' range. 420km with 1 tank on regular GS, with loaded bags.
I recently bought a 2015 GS to replace my 2007 GS and deliberately so over the GSA. I could actually find a GSA easier, low mileage GSAs are all over marketplace near me and finding a low mileage GS was much more difficult. Anyway my choice is aesthetic and feel. The bulky tank of the GSA makes it feel totally like a tourer at all times. The GS - with my bags removed just lets me feel more like i am riding a naked bike and have that hooligan feel more than the GSA. Plus IMO the GS just looks better. I also like not having the heavier 2 gallons of fuel high up when i am fire roading it on mountain switchbacks. (I live in the mountains). I added the lower engine guards and the adventure pegs, In addition to givi trekker aluminum cases i only carry when touring.
The Multistrada doesn’t have shaft drive as far as I know so that bike is out of consideration for me. 20 litres isn’t adequate so I’d go for the Adventure withheld crash bars and larger tank.
@@VToldsMotoShow Having owned 3 shaft drive bikes and not being very mechanically inclined, I’d happily tootle along on a 136hp R1250 GS all day. At least I know at the end of it I don’t have to grease or adjust a chain.
Well I have my GS Exclusive for about 8 months,I can tell you the best I can get in city/highway is 26 mpg.did a short 600 mile trip mostly highway with a full load,36mpg was the best,also you can get cross spock wheels on the gs.love the bike it rides great.love the video and the input.
I'm glad that you enjoy your GS as it's a great bike regardless of generation. Thanks for your feedback and I'm happy that you liked the video. Cheers!
Hi Thanks for good detailing of two different products of same origin and I am 5.feet 6in I actually booked Adventure low suspension than changed it to GS low suspension which is 804 mm I am comfortable with that . but the problem is the dealer was very cooperative and knowledgeable .no test drive at all.this was a drawback.
It might be too demanding for any dealer to have a lowered demo motorcycle available, so if that's what you meant then I'm not surprised. At the end of a motorcycling season, they've got to get rid of those motorcycles - sell them. And still most of them aren't lowered, so I get where this is coming from. Still, I'm glad you've found your right GS.
There’s something that you did not mention that is important. You can order an ADV low suspension which has basically the same ground clearance as a normal GS. And on this low suspension ADV you can always set it in the HIGH suspension setting when you need more clearance.
I got a new 1290 SAS OTD 4 months ago for $16,500. Not only is that $8-10,000 cheaper than a GS, the bike is lighter, quicker and more fun in the twisties.
You know, I really liked your presentation. It seems that you really know what ya talking about. If I may ask you something, Id suggest you to when you give comparatives numbers , I'd like to see them printed on the screen, so I'd be able to compare them with my eyes. That's 'cause seem the numbers in pair would be easy to my brain to do the math. that would be all. Thank you, Again, it was a very nice and illustrative presentation
I saw your comment some time ago and it led me to actually adding numbers on the screen in my current videos. Thanks for the hint as that's what I needed at that point. I appreciate it!
As a constructive criticism: please include next time a small index with the times where each difference is mentioned. Is hard to navigate through 19 mins of video when all I was looking for was a summary of the differences. Thanks for the effort though
I purchased the GSA 1250 for the high range kilometers.I have a first ride around 360 km in a day, so my observation was that the GSA 1200 Lc was more economic????
Seats are different. I have a rental fleet of bikes ordered new. GSA has 2 cm higher stock seat (so half of the difference 85/87 - 89/91 is the seat) and it is a little more comfortable. So you can swap seat to make gsa lower. And it definitely has other ergonomic because of that. I am 198 cm and it is obviously for my knees.
I’m confused between BMW R 1250 GSA and Africa twin adventure sports. Can you please let me know your opinion on which one do you think is better and why? Thanks in advance.
I wish I could but Honda is mostly absent in my portfolio of bikes that I've ridden. Even though my first motorcycle was a Honda, then the brand had nothing that would trigger my interest and make me try to get on one of their bikes. Not sure I could even test ride it now. I gladly would though. I believe that there may be a huge gap between those motorcycles in reality. Honda being a younger brother here.
Thanks for kind words. And yes, BMW offer adjustable foot rests in an Adventure for example. Pretty sure you could install them on the regular GS too as an aftermarket accessory.
Hi! You drive on GS a lot, i new owner of this bike. Can You tell me, ( its my first BMW ), what do You think about clutch in LC models? Mine is very "difficult", on first ride many failed starts, clutch engengment point is very tight and far away from bar, i must learn about start in GS from beginning... i must add more rpms to start smooth. Did you have feels like me?
Yes, clutch may be also a bit "hard" and require some strong grip. Remember that you can adjust the lever itself and bring it closer to the handlebar for easier use.
Top video. You used the density of water when calculating the bike's wet weight but otherwise awesome. Didn't actually come here to give criticism, came to say excellent video haha
Thanks and yeah, that was a bad one calculating the weight of fuel - I totally forgot about the difference in fluid density. Still, I'm glad you liked the vid. Cheers!
“Ducati, Triumph, KTM or BMW” ? I’ve owned 3 out of those 4 brands you’ve mentioned that are some of the “best brand’s ”. I hope you’ve had the chance to own some Japanese brands; you’re missing out.
Yes, I've owned Japanese bikes for over 10 years and this is where my opinion comes from. Maybe we're just the cases of "grass is greener everywhere else". Still, I don't mean reliability but the whole ownership experience.
I may be wrong, but that doesn't sound right. If the difference in length between them is only 1cm, and the GSA has more travel (meaning the fork extends a bit further than on the GS), then there wouldn't seem to be any difference between the frames themselves.
No, it won't. Standard GS 800 mm (low seat and low suspension), Adventure 820 mm (low seat and low suspension). Keep in mind low suspension has some minor negative influence on riding capabilities.
I went for the GS version as anyway i’ll be traveling not more than 400km offroad at once 😂 if i really need that extra fuel i’ll just strap a couple of portable tanks on the crashbara
i'm 188 cm i got gs 1250 adv... but rally seat on hp version is too tall, i used the low seat from bmw and its perfection.. i can lower both feets fully.
That's an interesting combo then. But may be a reasonable solution in the end if one looks towards and Adventure for whatever reason but doesn't necessarily want all that extra height. Thanks for the hint!
If you turn the volume up, you may realise that it's background soundtrack playing there. This was intended, though if it's annoying and you just hear the "ringing", then it means that the track is wrong and should not be used. Duly noted - thanks!
1 Liter of fuel don't weight 1kg, the density of fuel is not 1, it is about 0.74, so the weight of 1 Liter of fuel is about 0.74kg and therefore the weight of 20 Liter of fuel is about 15kg. Just a note.
As I am over 60YO I stop for a knee and back stretch every 2 hours max. In Europe and the western world, on the road network while touring, there is always a gas station within the GSs range. So why would I want to ride the rest of the time (I also commute in my GS) a big fat adventure motorcycle? I can justify buying an adventure only if going on intercontinental and mainly off road trips. There it is king!
Thanks V! But what about the optional Sport suspension option upgrade that gives both front and rear suspension even more travel and ground clearance on the GS and GSA? I see their both available as an extra option for both models on the bmw-motoraad configurator even when the Rallye package is chosen.
@@VToldsMotoShow sorry, oops 🙊 I just checked, that’s an extra option only available with the regular GS. So I guess with the GSA it comes as standard!
Test rode gsa a couple months ago and rode both the Ktm SAS and gs yesterday..I loved both gs and gsa and found Ktm to feel alright but kind of low budget/ lacking detail quality. Gs was more flickable and sporty while gsa was stable and commanding..I’m torn.
Thanks for sharing. I myself am thinking about GS vs SAS/SAR pretty often as they're really cool but I can confirm that to me, BMW's quality and overall feel is also more impressive than KTM's. On the other hand, KTM's performance is something. If you're considering GS Adventure, let me suggest that instead of SAS, you try the R version of the 1290. There may be a surprise in terms of certain behaviors. It's not for high speed turns but if you're riding more at lower speeds, it can be surprisingly satisfying and also easy to control. GS vs GSA is a lot about your size. If you're below 190 cm tall, then I'd hesitate to go for the Adventure unless you're going to ride on the highways and won't have to deal with all the weight high from the ground. A matter of style is also there.
@@VToldsMotoShow I appreciate your feedback! I am 6’ and 245lbs..I think I’ve decided on bmw…undecided between gs and gsa. I’ll test ride them both back to back again and go from there..the turn signal debacle from Ktm that you love to point out is not acceptable to me either..totally agree w you. When you pick yours, I’ll be watching your sure to be great video on it! 🤙🏽
Very good comparison. I've been casually researching the two, thinking of replacing my Harley. At 5'9" and 31" inseam, I can not reach the ground unless I get the 'low' seat and put it in the lowest position. I would not want the low suspension version. Disappointing....
Thanks and I'm glad that you like the video. Somewhere on the web there are simulators of what the inner leg curve needs to be on specific motorcycles. Not sure I recall the name of this parameter correctly though. Still, it may be worth for you to check that website and measure yourself to get proper information without the need of jumping on every single bike to know if it would make sense for you to ride it and be comfortable or not.
You can get one foot down, whit one foot on the back brake. That is the way to stop, anyway. You don't need both feet down. And it is a bad habit not to hold the bike still with the back brake.
Hello there, hope u r doing well i am 5 feet 6 inches tall or short ☺️ i am 22 and have been driving Bikes since 2009 ( the first very bike of my father), i am planning international motorcycle tours like probably crossing into many countries. Which 1 will u prefer in this case. 1250GS or GSA, and i might encounter some off roads but it will not be probably that bigger like made for rallies. PLZ note, that my reach is higher which 70 or 71 inches.
Hi, if I were you, I think I'd go for the regular GS purely because of height. There are shorter riders that deal with GSA but I know that I myself prefer to feel that I'm in control and riding into different places and over different terrain, a shorter bike that's more manageable for me would be a big plus for me. You can still install a lower seat and even lower the suspension so there are plenty of options.
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The weight of fuel is not 1 kilo per liter, it's around 720 grams, so the the weight of the two bikes' full tanks is 14.4 kg vs 21.6 kg.
Damn! You're actually right! And you're the first person that realized that. All my life I was thinking wrong. Thanks so much for sharing this as it's great info! I believe that so many of us may be wrong - as just has been proved on my example. Thanks again!
@@VToldsMotoShow because S.I. is based on water and at 4 C 1 litre of water is 1 Kg people think other liquids are too - but it is not the case.
Actually 710-775g at 15c.
also 20lt = 4.4g for GS. and 30lt =6.6g for GSA, not 5.2g GS and 7.9g GSA as quoted in video
@@geoffcornelius2192 Depends on whether you're in the UK or US.....
I am short person. My height is 165 cm and my weight at that time was 78kg and I rode gs adventure. It's more difficult in the city than it is for a taller person, but I got used to it. I only reached the ground with one foot, and to do that, I had to have the bike a little bent to the side. Once you get going, it all falls away and Your only concern is not to spend all day on it. Message for short people: You may be short but you have to be able to handle yourself and stop bitching about your height. Get your shit together, own your height and enjoy riding any bike
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Right on 👍🏼🍺
@@jgeph2.4 Cheers mate
I experienced 180.000 kms on a “regular” GS and 70.000 kms on a 1200 adventure. I recently purchased a new 1250 GSA. I will never go back to the regular version, despite my length (1.78 m)
Hi, may I ask why?
Yeah, I'm also very interested in the reasons. Seems like you're not the only one.
Why? And Why did you not say the reason? Is it top secret information why you will only have the GS Adventure. I am also thinking about getting the Adventure, mostly because the bigger gasoline tank. The gas stations are been closed down one after the other, the last years lost 3 gas stations around where I live. Now I have to drive all the way out of the city to get to a gas station. So when I park, I'm always low on gas.
It take so much time to get somewhere. When I always have to get fuel, when going somewhere. And I am sick of it.
But now I have only 10 liter tank on my scooter. Wish it had much bigger tank. At lest 5 liter more. Now I cant fuel before I have less then half a tank. Because the stations have a limit on at least has to fuel 5 liter of gas. There is a lot of extra work and stress in bringing an extra jug of petrol. And it takes so much space.
yep im 1.76 and did chose the new gsa 1250. its more comfortable.despite my height
I'm 1.63 :(
I just took delivery on a 2021 GS-1250 "Triple Black", still waiting for the road salt and all the snow here in NJ to melt, and let a good rain fall clean the roads and I'm ready for Spring !!!
Now this will be a solid start of a season for you with this badass. Nice choice!
Nice video, very precise and down to the point. I’ve had 2 1200GS’s and now since January 2019 I have a 1250GSA with just about every option you can think of. I will never go back to a GS for 2 reasons, one is the paniers and second the fuel tank. I measure 1.77m tall and am able to have both feet on the ground with just having redone the seat by a secialist in Grenoble France. With my 1250 I’ve now done 28000 km and it runs like a dream. Thanks again for taking the time to create this great video.
I'm glad you liked the video. You've got a brilliant motorcycle and it's interesting what you mentioned about redoing the seat and achieving a possibility of putting both feet on the ground. Good job!
Thank you so much for making my choice easier. Just purchased myself a GSA 1250 HP 2019 model. You are my hero!!!
And you'll be very happy with your choice then. All the best with your new GSA!
I'm 5'8", and I owned a 2015 BMW R1200GS ADV "Olive green". I spent almost 8 months crossing the Andes mountain, Atacama desert and Chilean & Argentinian Patagonia. I never had so much fun riding a bike, and living in California i can easily ride any type of bike. My first GS was the 2015 BMW GS, 5 months later I traded it for the 2015 GSA, I bought the last batch for the year, It could easily be registered as 2016 model but I decided to keep it as 2015. It's not about how tall you are (well, unless you are really short) It's about how you handle it.
Wow, handing and ADV isn't necessarily that easy of a thing for some of us. But hey, this sentence got me especially interested: "living in California i can easily ride any type of bike" - what did you mean here? I'm honestly curious.
I had 1200 gs lc and I have 1200 gsa lc now. Some differences most likely have not changed with 1250 models. My main observations: gs was for me most comfortable in highest seat position (I am 1,80m with some limitations in legs joints flexibility and only high and low position were gs options in 2013), but on gsa I have seat front on high and seat back on low to be comfortable. If both sides on high, it pushes me too much towards the wide tank. On gs, I automatically had to put my feet balls on footpegs to have the best position. Not so on gsa, footpegs are right there where I want to have them when riding (it might be because of wider tank). I mostly ride the highest suspension position (rider with luggage, although i do not travel a lot) in comfort mode and even 10 hours ride with some short stops is not a problem. Gs is in general a bit nimbler, easier to manoeuvre at slow speed when parking, it is like a mountain bike when you compare it even with air cooled previous model, although being heavier. When parking gsa, some attention is needed. I do only easy off road, so no big difference, except when suddenly stoping in not ideal position of the bike - gsa is heavier and higher. Main gsa advantages: You can enjoy even highway rides, speed limits are not a problem, because you are not nervous when waiting limits to end, massive look and in each city you are riding through, you have feeling, you are just conquering that city, especially in matte olive colour with tons of accessories..... Although both bikes are great, I will always stay with gsa.
Thanks for your feedback - it's very useful to see from a long-term owner's perspective. I'm happy that you're enjoying your bike!
I made this decision 2 days ago. I almost went with the GS. But I’ve always wanted a GSA and I thought if I didn’t get it, I’d regret it later. So I got it. It’s a big ole FAT motorcycle. Love it.
@15:02, it really depends on your height(as you mentioned). I owned an older GS but sold it and bought a GS adventure, I am 6'3", 225# , and the adventure "fits" me better. I don't see myself "falling down more often" just because it's an inch or so taller, and the bulkiness if the Adventure's tank (and thus, extra weight), is quite negligible ( again, for taller riders). Also, consider "rolling weight" ... the bulkiness of the GSA completely disappears once you are moving. It's only when you are moving it around in the garage that you may notice it.
I do believe that once a bike's moving, they both do it perfectly and additional weight of an Adventure is just a number in our heads. As for reaching the ground and the risk of falling down, then if you're that tall, it may simply not make a big difference to you.
Take the official fuel consumption figures with a pinch of salt. I just completed a tour in Europe and got only 160 miles out of a tank full on my GS. Thinking about getting the GSA purely for increased range👍
Love his enthusiasm explaining the difference between the two, regular GS is better for my. Needs
I have to say GS is quite fuel efficient. On my 1200GS, I average 4.6L/100km on trips
how about maintenance? very expensive?
The best line "this will not end well for me" haha good job, good video...
Yeah. Thanks!
Yeah that line made me LOL.
Great video - very enjoyable! Thank you! I have a 2018 R1200GSA, which I have only ridden home from the dealers, about 100 km in total in that last month!! ... I can't wait until the level 5 lockdown is finished in Ireland. This is my first GSA, I traded in an XR, and before that I had a couple of RTs, and for variety some fireblades, a Vstrom, Varadero, and Bandits. I am sooo looking forward to riding the GS. I have no interest in going off road, but I do like the idea of the big tank, and the bigger size of the adventure. I am not a small guy!! :)
I look forward to your next presentations!!
Thanks and wow - nice set of bikes you've had! Really cool ones I think. I appreciate your feedback and I'm happy that you liked the video. All the best! :)
I own a 2018 R1200GS Adventure Rallye since august '18, rode it 43000 km by now in all weather conditions and the fuel comsumption BMW indicates is true. I ride a good mix of about 50/50 city/overland and I always cover distances between 550km and 600km in road mode. The onboard-computer always displays 4,5l to 5,5l fuel consumption. I would always prefer the Adventure over the normal version again. It's worth the higher price in my opinion!
Thanks for some additional long-term insights, they may be very useful for folks in the market for the bike here.
great explanation, thank you very much! just one note, gasoline/petrol density is not 1, it is 0,75kg/L :)
Great point, you're totally right! Thanks a lot!
Hi, just purchased a 2023 GSA (Triple Black) which is still stored at the dealer. I just feel the GSA looks better and beefier. It is certainly nice to have the extra fuel. I don't have to fill it up all the way when I go in the dirt. When I test rode it, I adjusted the seat to the lower setting (I am 6'1 ft = 186cm). Seat felt comfy on the test ride, but I know for sure when I ride her home (600 miles). Thanks for the in-depth comparison. It just confirmed my bike choice 🙂
Will literally be buying one of these in the next few days and that has helped a lot. Thanks
Glad to be helpful. All the best with the new GS!
I´m 186cm. Bought myself a 2020 GS1250 HP last year. Got the GS instead of the GSA cause i like the color og the HP better than the HP GSA... i bought it with +2cm suspension and high rally seat. Price wise a GSA would come out better since its including all crashbars etc.... Lowered the pegs by 2 cm so i have relaxed knee angle, and short distanse from ass to seat when standing... I ride it on gravel roads and single tracks. Absoluttely awsome machine!!!!!
I'm the same high as you mate, test ride the gs rallye last Friday and the next day I bought it. The best bike i ever ridden,i rode her for 3 hours test ride and I absolutely fellin live with her. So nimble and agile. I don't have a chance to try the Gsa coz the dealer didn't have the demo. Now i look on RUclips that many people choose Gsa over Gs? Does the Gsa more comfortable over Gs? I'm driving 100% on tarmac only.
@@user-tx5dy1fz4g you have more wind/weather protection on the GSA. bigger tank and some might argue a bit better seat...but thats all a matter of preferance. GS feels more agile and nimble than the GSA since it´s lighter and feels narrower du to the smaler tank. anyway, theyr both excellent machines!
@@nitroxsniffers yep 👍🏽 I agreed can't wait to pick up mine tomorrow 😊
Your delivery of information is engaging, interesting and humorous! Thank you! I hope you enjoy your new GS/GSA.
Thanks and I'm very glad that you like the video. All the best!
GS vs GSA IMHO in my country (Australia) if you answer yes to two of the below buy the GSA.
1) Are you going off-road and want spoked wheels and / or the extra suspension travel & clearance?
2) Are you likely to travel 500km (extra range) in a day possible / likely?
3) Would you add Luggage, Enduro foot pegs, adjustable foot controls, additional lights, or crash bars?
BONUS
4) Do you just want a GSA?
If you answered yes to two or more, spend the extra AU$4000
Not bad of a quide. Not sure I'd put there the 3rd point.
@@VToldsMotoShow point 3. If you started with a GS and added those items you’re going to spend $2000
My friends always ask me why i bought GSA? I like how they look and first i saw GSA was the love at first sight. 💪😎
Yo VITO! Your name kind of sounds like mine. GSA is awesome and a true beast compared to other motorcycles.
Absolutely agreed.GS look like premature born baby compared to a GSA.
I can't believe this. You answered all the questions I wanted to know and some very important ones I never thought of. Im at the point of buying a Gs but my problem is I need to get it through a door 36" wide. I'm hoping I can wiggle the bars through a couple of inches but as you rightly mentioned the Adventure is wider but thank you so much for informing me that this is due to the hand guards. Not even BMW main stealers could tell me that and just wanted me to buy an Adventure. Thanks again. Its a Sub and a thumbs up from me 👍
Thanks for sharing this. I'm very happy that I could be helpful. Also, it's funny that the dealers could not answer your question but hey, that's what we're here for! All the best!
6 foot 7 inches and 260 pounds ... in good shape for a 71 year old. Never owned a big bike before. Hope I can handle this GSA beauty. Thanks for the great detailed comparison!
I'm pretty convinced that at your height this could work for you very well. All the best!
my understanding is with height is with the R1250GS rally you can get two suspension settings but you have to order it when you purchase the bike new that is standard and sport and the difference is the sport gives you 2.5" more lift
The GSA looks more aggressive
I've done Alaska, New Zealand ( both islands), Spain and Vegas to Sturgis in 1200/ 1250's GS's. I own a GSA 1250 that I took to the Smokey Mountains ( Dragon included!), Daytona, the Keys...( I live in Miami)...Very Little differences in handling, braking or handling above 10 miles per hour...The range extension benefit of the GSA, would only be extremely noticeable in less developed environments..( i.e. going to Prudhoe Bay). Otherwise, the best motorcycle for what I do. Long travels with parts of non paved roads (i.e Denali Highway or Mc Carthy Road in Alaska, backroads in New Zealand or the fantastic County Roads all over the great US of A!)
Hi V-Told,
Thanks for comparison between GS Adventure and regular GS. That help me a lot to select my new GS. BMW bikes are expensive and parts too. As this is my first bike, after buying bike there are other expenses also.
Thanks for your feedback. I hope that you'll be very happy with your choice.
I would just buy the Adventure, because i think this one looks way better :X
Just a small correction: with the 2021 model, you can get the rack for the aluminum panniers with the normal GS at no additional cost, which is what a got on my new 2021 Triple Black GS :)
Really? Which market do you mean, Italian maybe? And hey, you've got yourself a badass one I see! I definitely am jealous ;)
Good video again! And congrats for you countryman Blachowicz defeating Adesanya, in case you watched UFC.
Thanks thanks, I'll forward the congratulations to Jan too ;)
Great video again...I've owned both and agree with your comparisons. I'd love to to have one of each but currently own a GSA since I tour/camp and do some light off-road riding.
I'm glad you like the video. If you're big and physically strong enough, GSA has pretty much everything that a regular GS has and more. So if you don't mind the extra weight and physical requirements to handle it, I guess you're not missing out on anything really. All the best with your beast!
Hi! Very interesting video! Thank you! On my humble opinion, if you try to equipe the Standard GS with just a few things that the GSA has in standard, you will see that the prices will be about the same.... Am talking about using BMW genuine parts. With Engine Guard, heated grips, and hands protections the GS will cost about the same as the GSA. So people who are gonna pick the Standard GS should think about ride it without adding many things. That's gonna be a great bike without having a lot of extra options.
I believe that you made a valid point about adding some accessories. Still, this gives a choice of adding some while skipping others, and with the ADV there's no such option with those same parts. But yes, this should be definitely considered.
@@VToldsMotoShow Thanks for answering!! Wish you only nice and cafe rides!
Excellent video. You made a honest and very clear video. 👏👍
Thank you! I'm glad that you like it!
I think roads are in my country Portugal.
Am I correct V?
Re: Filling the fuel. I ride Versys X 250 with 17 liter tank. I only fill it to the fullest when I return to my village, and back when my workplace was far-ish. When I got a job half the distance to my previous work place area, I tend to fill it less full (hence, overall fill frequency is the same-ish. If previous full is $20, I would only spend $10 per fill now). I wish these adventure bike follows the Tenere 700 ( which if I think correctly the one that have the most of gas volume very low on the bike). Just my 2 cent.
Awesome video V-Told!!! I am in the market for an adventure tourer & it is between GS & Multistrada. Very helpful Info!
So I tested both multistrada and bmw a few days ago. I’m a Harley rider by birth but will change concept entirely now.
How did you experience the difference between Ducati and BMW?
Thanks, Frank. I'm glad that you like the video. You're actually making one of the most awesome choices possible in the whole motorcycle industry. I'm happy for you. @Lemi asks about your experience as a potential buyer of one of these bikes and I'm also curious to see which bike you're leaning towards to more.
The GSA would be fine for me. But I don't need the larger tank, it's awkward looking, and when full, makes the bike top heavier. I added an after market larger windshield, and an MRA X-creen as I'm 6'5", a taller seat, after market engine guards, with highway pegs. I also added BMW side cases. It fit me wonderfully and feels more toss-able, than my former GSA.
So I understand that you've gone with GS without the "A" then. GS is a pretty large bike anyway and I feel that one of the best options for taller guys like yourself. Sounds like you've taken a good care of yours equipping it with additional features. Good luck with the bike!
Nice review but it needs a correction. Higher handlebars means not more but LESS force to keep the bike upright. The longer moment arm gets the less force it needs.
If I wanted to ride off road I wouldn’t buy a GS, the GSA is the perfect road bike, even better than the two standard GSs I owned previously. It’s a tall beast though if you have a sub 30” inside leg. May be my imagination but I think the GSA looks better and has a plusher ride, may be the extra weight.
It should have a plusher ride due to more wheels travel.
There is no difference in the saddle height if a GS and a GSA
Thanks, this video actually persuaded me to buy a GS over a GSA!
If only that helps you make a good decision, then I'm supper happy! All the best with the bike - it's an awesome machine!
Best comparison available! Thanks
Thank you and my pleasure!
First time I see one man he speak correct People sometimes crazy he think he got the last of the world and he don’t find Metro Station
Thank you for the video, lots of good information. I bought the "regular" 1250GS and so far I have no regrets at all. Oh, and yes, I added lower crash bars and my GS came with spoked wheels and hand guards.
PS - I don't get anywhere near 400km on a full tank.
Good choice as it's an awesome bike! So what's your average fuel consumption right now?
@@VToldsMotoShow Hi. My low fuel light comes on at about 260 ish km. I don't usually wait until the light comes on though. If the TFT is to be believed right now it stats 4.9L per 100km. Cheers.
I did it once, on a tour with my wife in germany. She was following with her R1200R so we were adhering to the speedlimits everywhere and keeping acceleration within the 'driving miss Daisy' range. 420km with 1 tank on regular GS, with loaded bags.
small correction: 1 liter of fuel weights 750 gram, i.e. fuel volumic mass is lower than water. So 30 liters translate "only" into 22,5kg, not 30kg.
Right!
An absolutely brilliant comparison. Thank you👍
Thanks and I'm super glad that you like it!
Reckon the handling difference is more profound that you suggested. It's due in no small way to the steering geometry being different.
I recently bought a 2015 GS to replace my 2007 GS and deliberately so over the GSA.
I could actually find a GSA easier, low mileage GSAs are all over marketplace near me and finding a low mileage GS was much more difficult.
Anyway my choice is aesthetic and feel. The bulky tank of the GSA makes it feel totally like a tourer at all times. The GS - with my bags removed just lets me feel more like i am riding a naked bike and have that hooligan feel more than the GSA. Plus IMO the GS just looks better. I also like not having the heavier 2 gallons of fuel high up when i am fire roading it on mountain switchbacks. (I live in the mountains).
I added the lower engine guards and the adventure pegs, In addition to givi trekker aluminum cases i only carry when touring.
The Multistrada doesn’t have shaft drive as far as I know so that bike is out of consideration for me. 20 litres isn’t adequate so I’d go for the Adventure withheld crash bars and larger tank.
Right, the Multi doesn't have a drive shaft and I agree that this may be a deal-breaker for some of us. I love the idea of a maintenance-free drive.
@@VToldsMotoShow Having owned 3 shaft drive bikes and not being very mechanically inclined, I’d happily tootle along on a 136hp R1250 GS all day. At least I know at the end of it I don’t have to grease or adjust a chain.
I like GS windscreen (smaller) for summer and side to side handlebar clearance. I use the GSA windscreen in the cold months.
Well I have my GS Exclusive for about 8 months,I can tell you the best I can get in city/highway is 26 mpg.did a short 600 mile trip mostly highway with a full load,36mpg was the best,also you can get cross spock wheels on the gs.love the bike it rides great.love the video and the input.
I'm glad that you enjoy your GS as it's a great bike regardless of generation. Thanks for your feedback and I'm happy that you liked the video. Cheers!
Sorry to disappoint but 2021 1250gs with 20l does the same km as 850gs with 15l. And that is 300-350km per average.
Hi Thanks for good detailing of two different products of same origin and I am 5.feet 6in I actually booked Adventure low suspension than changed it to GS low suspension which is 804 mm I am comfortable with that . but the problem is the dealer was very cooperative and knowledgeable .no test drive at all.this was a drawback.
It might be too demanding for any dealer to have a lowered demo motorcycle available, so if that's what you meant then I'm not surprised. At the end of a motorcycling season, they've got to get rid of those motorcycles - sell them. And still most of them aren't lowered, so I get where this is coming from. Still, I'm glad you've found your right GS.
@@VToldsMotoShow no they didn't have Test drive vehicle at all forget about the lower suspension.
Very useful comparison. Thank you for the video.
I'm glad you like it.
There’s something that you did not mention that is important. You can order an ADV low suspension which has basically the same ground clearance as a normal GS. And on this low suspension ADV you can always set it in the HIGH suspension setting when you need more clearance.
I believe that there's no GS motorcycle with height-adjustable suspension.
I got a new 1290 SAS OTD 4 months ago for $16,500. Not only is that $8-10,000 cheaper than a GS, the bike is lighter, quicker and more fun in the twisties.
Thanks for your feedback on this. KTM sounds like an interesting alternative.
You can get a GSA in the "low Suspension" version.
You know, I really liked your presentation. It seems that you really know what ya talking about. If I may ask you something, Id suggest you to when you give comparatives numbers , I'd like to see them printed on the screen, so I'd be able to compare them with my eyes. That's 'cause seem the numbers in pair would be easy to my brain to do the math. that would be all. Thank you, Again, it was a very nice and illustrative presentation
I saw your comment some time ago and it led me to actually adding numbers on the screen in my current videos. Thanks for the hint as that's what I needed at that point. I appreciate it!
Simply awesome and informative,
U got new subscriber✌
Hi! Thanks a lot and I'm really happy that you like the video. There are next ones coming in some time that may interest you too.
You forgot one point. The GS is a bike, the GSA is a tank!
Yup, especially with a full tank.
As a constructive criticism: please include next time a small index with the times where each difference is mentioned. Is hard to navigate through 19 mins of video when all I was looking for was a summary of the differences. Thanks for the effort though
Thanks for the hint, I've seen this being mentioned somewhere, not sure if under this video though. That may be something to consider.
I purchased the GSA 1250 for the high range kilometers.I have a first ride around 360 km in a day, so my observation was that the GSA 1200 Lc was more economic????
Great style of review
Noted and appreciated. Thanks!
Seats are different. I have a rental fleet of bikes ordered new. GSA has 2 cm higher stock seat (so half of the difference 85/87 - 89/91 is the seat) and it is a little more comfortable. So you can swap seat to make gsa lower. And it definitely has other ergonomic because of that. I am 198 cm and it is obviously for my knees.
I’m confused between BMW R 1250 GSA and Africa twin adventure sports. Can you please let me know your opinion on which one do you think is better and why? Thanks in advance.
I wish I could but Honda is mostly absent in my portfolio of bikes that I've ridden. Even though my first motorcycle was a Honda, then the brand had nothing that would trigger my interest and make me try to get on one of their bikes. Not sure I could even test ride it now. I gladly would though. I believe that there may be a huge gap between those motorcycles in reality. Honda being a younger brother here.
Interesting video, nice comparison,,, I'm just wondering if it's possible to have adjustable foot rest and if any manufacturers do that?
Thanks for kind words. And yes, BMW offer adjustable foot rests in an Adventure for example. Pretty sure you could install them on the regular GS too as an aftermarket accessory.
I love my GSA.
Hi! You drive on GS a lot, i new owner of this bike. Can You tell me, ( its my first BMW ), what do You think about clutch in LC models? Mine is very "difficult", on first ride many failed starts, clutch engengment point is very tight and far away from bar, i must learn about start in GS from beginning... i must add more rpms to start smooth. Did you have feels like me?
Yes, clutch may be also a bit "hard" and require some strong grip. Remember that you can adjust the lever itself and bring it closer to the handlebar for easier use.
Very good comparison and informational video. Thank you.
I'm glad you like it - thanks for letting me know! All the best.
I have the Adventure… I love the way it rides. But, I haven’t ridden a regular GS.
They're very similar in behavior in fact.
One video and its sought out competely what we want
Top video. You used the density of water when calculating the bike's wet weight but otherwise awesome. Didn't actually come here to give criticism, came to say excellent video haha
Thanks and yeah, that was a bad one calculating the weight of fuel - I totally forgot about the difference in fluid density. Still, I'm glad you liked the vid. Cheers!
For me; Adventure
I have never ride it, but GSA looks definitely more better..
R1250GS Rallye TE here.
145mph , yesterday.
Comfortable speed is 135mph.
125mph was way to far of the guess.
“Ducati, Triumph, KTM or BMW” ? I’ve owned 3 out of those 4 brands you’ve mentioned that are some of the “best brand’s ”. I hope you’ve had the chance to own some Japanese brands; you’re missing out.
Yes, I've owned Japanese bikes for over 10 years and this is where my opinion comes from. Maybe we're just the cases of "grass is greener everywhere else". Still, I don't mean reliability but the whole ownership experience.
I own both, love both the same way
Standard gs with sport suspension option. All the capabilities but less weight. But less range and wind protection.
That’s the difference
its not same frame, its different rake, and you can feel the difference
I may be wrong, but that doesn't sound right. If the difference in length between them is only 1cm, and the GSA has more travel (meaning the fork extends a bit further than on the GS), then there wouldn't seem to be any difference between the frames themselves.
This is an excellent video! Thanks for sharing.
Thank you and I'm glad you like it!
Great video, although it’s difficult to me to accept that the GS1250 does the same km average than mine GS750…
I'm glad you like the video!
I have a 1250GS Adventure Rallye TE on a 2022 bike,
Can you tell me what the difference is with a HP version please??
I have now (After 1600 kms) a fuel consumption of 4.9 l per 100 kms on my 1250 GS Adventure
Wow, this is an awesome result. Great job!
It is the day indeed
Lucky you!
Purchased a GS adventure well happy
Very well, it's an awesome bike!
Do you know if you order the low suspension and low passenger package on each version, will the seat height then be the same?
No, it won't. Standard GS 800 mm (low seat and low suspension), Adventure 820 mm (low seat and low suspension). Keep in mind low suspension has some minor negative influence on riding capabilities.
I have the R1250GSA, I am 191 cm tall and I like the extra bars
Sounds like a good choice as you're definitely above average height.
Mcneal clothing company ? What did we miss? Thanks for the very informative insights.
Nah, it's just a random T-shirt. I'm glad you like the video!
I went for the GS version as anyway i’ll be traveling not more than 400km offroad at once 😂 if i really need that extra fuel i’ll just strap a couple of portable tanks on the crashbara
i'm 188 cm i got gs 1250 adv... but rally seat on hp version is too tall, i used the low seat from bmw and its perfection.. i can lower both feets fully.
That's an interesting combo then. But may be a reasonable solution in the end if one looks towards and Adventure for whatever reason but doesn't necessarily want all that extra height. Thanks for the hint!
You get more for the price with a GSA.
Hi, there are some strange sounds in your video. I hear a ringing at 10:36 and there an ascending chime alarm starting at 7:00.
If you turn the volume up, you may realise that it's background soundtrack playing there. This was intended, though if it's annoying and you just hear the "ringing", then it means that the track is wrong and should not be used. Duly noted - thanks!
1 Liter of fuel don't weight 1kg, the density of fuel is not 1, it is about 0.74, so the weight of 1 Liter of fuel is about 0.74kg and therefore the weight of 20 Liter of fuel is about 15kg.
Just a note.
You're right - totally right, my bad.
As I am over 60YO I stop for a knee and back stretch every 2 hours max. In Europe and the western world, on the road network while touring, there is always a gas station within the GSs range. So why would I want to ride the rest of the time (I also commute in my GS) a big fat adventure motorcycle?
I can justify buying an adventure only if going on intercontinental and mainly off road trips. There it is king!
Interesting perspective - thanks for sharing!
Great video, apart from the high pitched beeping sound track, it distracted me from the valuable information
Thanks for the feedback!
Thanks V! But what about the optional Sport suspension option upgrade that gives both front and rear suspension even more travel and ground clearance on the GS and GSA? I see their both available as an extra option for both models on the bmw-motoraad configurator even when the Rallye package is chosen.
That's a weird addition I think. Not sure what BMW is trying to achieve with it as it kind of gets in between the regular R1250GS and the Adventure.
@@VToldsMotoShow sorry, oops 🙊 I just checked, that’s an extra option only available with the regular GS. So I guess with the GSA it comes as standard!
Test rode gsa a couple months ago and rode both the Ktm SAS and gs yesterday..I loved both gs and gsa and found Ktm to feel alright but kind of low budget/ lacking detail quality. Gs was more flickable and sporty while gsa was stable and commanding..I’m torn.
Thanks for sharing. I myself am thinking about GS vs SAS/SAR pretty often as they're really cool but I can confirm that to me, BMW's quality and overall feel is also more impressive than KTM's. On the other hand, KTM's performance is something. If you're considering GS Adventure, let me suggest that instead of SAS, you try the R version of the 1290. There may be a surprise in terms of certain behaviors. It's not for high speed turns but if you're riding more at lower speeds, it can be surprisingly satisfying and also easy to control. GS vs GSA is a lot about your size. If you're below 190 cm tall, then I'd hesitate to go for the Adventure unless you're going to ride on the highways and won't have to deal with all the weight high from the ground. A matter of style is also there.
@@VToldsMotoShow I appreciate your feedback! I am 6’ and 245lbs..I think I’ve decided on bmw…undecided between gs and gsa. I’ll test ride them both back to back again and go from there..the turn signal debacle from Ktm that you love to point out is not acceptable to me either..totally agree w you. When you pick yours, I’ll be watching your sure to be great video on it! 🤙🏽
Very good comparison. I've been casually researching the two, thinking of replacing my Harley. At 5'9" and 31" inseam, I can not reach the ground unless I get the 'low' seat and put it in the lowest position. I would not want the low suspension version. Disappointing....
I am your height and have the low suspension. Makes riding more enjoyable for me.
@@joemartin7332 Thanks Joe - good to know!
Thanks and I'm glad that you like the video. Somewhere on the web there are simulators of what the inner leg curve needs to be on specific motorcycles. Not sure I recall the name of this parameter correctly though. Still, it may be worth for you to check that website and measure yourself to get proper information without the need of jumping on every single bike to know if it would make sense for you to ride it and be comfortable or not.
@@VToldsMotoShow Great idea - thank you. I can't ride every seat and bike combination out there.
You can get one foot down, whit one foot on the back brake. That is the way to stop, anyway. You don't need both feet down. And it is a bad habit not to hold the bike still with the back brake.
1 litre of gas does not weight 1 kilo, always bear in mind each liquid density.
Right, that's a good point.
Hello there, hope u r doing well
i am 5 feet 6 inches tall or short ☺️ i am 22 and have been driving Bikes since 2009 ( the first very bike of my father), i am planning international motorcycle tours like probably crossing into many countries. Which 1 will u prefer in this case. 1250GS or GSA, and i might encounter some off roads but it will not be probably that bigger like made for rallies.
PLZ note, that my reach is higher which 70 or 71 inches.
Hi, if I were you, I think I'd go for the regular GS purely because of height. There are shorter riders that deal with GSA but I know that I myself prefer to feel that I'm in control and riding into different places and over different terrain, a shorter bike that's more manageable for me would be a big plus for me. You can still install a lower seat and even lower the suspension so there are plenty of options.