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Ian I have to say you are born to do this and a million other things I’m sure but this, for sure! Most informative, no bull, cram packed presentation(s) available on RUclips. You are the model for all other testimonial/tutorials. Thankyou and keep on truckin on!!
Ian, thanks a million for this video, I just bought a 2014 low mileage (22k miles) R1200GSA following your advice! I was really worried by the weight and size but the bike handles so much easier than I expected on and off-road! Unless you do rock climbing or single track trails this bike is great, even an amateur like me can take it almost anywhere! Thanks again for the advice!
Great summary BUT the 2010 to 2013 cam head bikes had a lot more important updates than outlined here. The clutch was updated to over one a common problem with the thrust bearings on earlier models. The gear shift was also much improved and could be called slick - certainly MUCH better then the later liquid cooled bikes. Also the rear final drive unit got 2 updates (the last being the 2012 model year) which over came many of the weaknesses of earlier models. Finally, the troublesome fuel strip was finally replaced with a good old float in 2012 I think…although BMW have just released a fix for the strip. So, if you can go for a 2012 or 13 for a GSA. Folks also commented on the cost of shock replacement which is high. BMW will tell you they cannot be reconditioned which will rubbish. There are any number of shops in the US/UK and Europe that I am aware of which will rebuild and ESA shock for about £150 and give you a better valves shock back.
I'm just looking at a 2011 model 27k miles in the UK. It doesn't have ABS. So am I right that it was optional. My 1150 which has now done 91k Miles doesn't have ABS and it's not an issue for me.
Yes ABS was an option BUT I have never seen a later twin cam without it. I assume you don’t have ESA (electronic suspension) etc as well….so very basic bike. Nothing wrong with that at all.
@mac22011964 Ive not test ridden it or scrutinised it yet I've only seen it in the showroom very quickly. I'm not sure about the electronic suspension. I like basic, but if I'm stepping up from a 2000 registration gs1150 should I go for one with abs and electronic suspension...that's the question I keep asking myself. I do like basic bike though, that's what has always put me off the 1250. Too much tech. It's the twin cam oil cooled engine I like, the same as I have in my R nine T. Such a sweet engine.
Hi Ian just a small note, the 2007 model does not have servo brakes. Only 2005, 06 ran this system. So I feel if you are an enthusiast and wanted to dodge the electrics and possible servo issues the 2007 model might be the go to model. Personally I love the analogue gauges. Perhaps it’s an old man thing but as your reflexes slow and sight dwindle etc it’s nice to look down and perhaps through familiarity etc you spot rpm and speed fairly instantly.
Yup...just bought a 2007 with 25000km's on, I'm the second owner, and I asked the previous owner about the servos, he confirmed and have a note from BMW that the 2007 is servo free, look for the big holes on the slip ring on the left disc, servo brakes have small holes
Thank you from Australia, your guide helped me select a model with confidence. Picked up a 2010 R1200gs with under 50,000Ks on the clock in near pristine condition.
Great video Ian! The definitive guide that everyone has been waiting for. I took weeks to do all my research and decide on a lightly used 2017.5 GS. I did consider the 1250, but a lightly used 2017.5 is the best value at the moment. I was able to buy one with thousands of dollars worth of accessories, on-road use only and only 10,000 miles for about $7000 less than a lightly used 2019 with no options. Keep up the great work! Another easy way to check if a 2017 model has the 2017.5 upgrades is that colored circle inside the speedo and tacho is blue.
I love how some of your takeaways in this video are that you wished you held out for the 1250, and to see how much you ended up loving your 1250A, and one of the biggest reoccurring comments was the weight needs to start going back down, which is has on your new 1300! Thank you for this video explaining the evolutions of the GS!
Hi Ian great video. Owned several GS the first was a 2009 then I exchanged it for Honda CrossTourer DCT as I wanted a newer bike. Big big mistake because it was so heavy and after only a few months of ownership I exchanged it for a 2008 GS. Yes BMW really do need to make sure they don't make their bikes too heavy. So I had in the space of several months ended up with an older bike. But the advantage with that was I now had a bike without ESA and no Tyre Pressure Monitors. One of those cost me £250 to replace because of incompetent tyre fitter. Yes its great to have all the fancy technology but boy if it goes wrong your talking lots of money to get it repaired. Thats probably why so many still love the 1100cc & 1150cc.All that said after over 50 yeas of riding bikes tw0 three & four cylinders its the Boxer motor for me every time. Stay safe.
Your channel has swung me...I sold my last street bike 8 years ago, when my wife was pregnant with our first child...your riding with kids video convinced me that it's time to get another bike. I've always been a cruiser guy, but have always ridden dirt bikes also. A few weeks ago I began looking at Harley's, bit6 you swung me to search out a BMW R1200GSA. I've located a 2015 and planning to go look at it next week. Thanks for all of your content, your videos are always well thought out and professional!
In 2019 my son in-law gave me a 05 1200 GS with only 1700 miles in it. It was in a climate controlled hanger with other toys but it had regular service done on it. I love this bike! I do my own maintenance but the two things I don't like is the LCD as that it's hard to read in sunlight. Second is the servo breaks because there very touchy and they require specialized service every 2 years. I do it every year just to play it safe. Wonderful video, I've watched it several times. Thanks
The motorcycle generally regarded as the world's finest deserves a fantastic and ranging video like this. Terrific job thoroughly, yet briefly taking us through this history. Beyond useful for us experienced riders considering our first GS. Thank you.
I just wanted to swing by this video again and say thank you for creating it. I used it as a guide for which model to buy when I wanted to see what the ADV thing was all about w/o spending a ton of money. I got a 2008 with 25k miles about 18 months ago, and I've ridden it all over CA and the western states while adding various accessories for safety and utility. Every time I ride it puts a smile on my face. I seldom ride just for fun, so this bike being a do everything is perfect for me. I'm next planning for a Honda or Kawi 300 dual purpose in spring or summer, and I'll be using your experiences as a guide again.
Hey there! Just to let you know, I Just bought a 2007 GS to replace my '04 with 80k. One of the reason I picked this year is that it does Not have servo brakes. Just FYI.
This is a great buyer's guide. I learned a lot about the GS. I feel that a GS or GSA may be in my future. This is also an interesting historical piece. Bravo!
Great content, Ian! After a 25 year break in riding I got back into the game on a BMW650GS. Loved it and it convinced me of the BMW two wheel quality. It was a great bike, but I wanted a little better off road capability for my skill level (low). After trying to find an ADV/Dual Sport through most of 2021 I finally gave up on the idea and decided to have a dedicated road bike and an off road MC. Am now the proud owner of a 2007 R1200RT and a 2004 KTM 200 two stroke for $6500 combined. The RT is amazingly comfortable, and concur that cruise control and adjustable windscreens are the bomb! As for the KTM… it still scares the crap out of me and I love it.
I ride a 13' GSA. The last oil cooled GSA. Does not have ASC (traction control) but never felt I needed it. I do miss the cruise control, but have the Kaoko throttle lock which is good enough. I love the grunt on the low revs. I have never felt under power on the street. Must agree with the crank case quite rough . I am still keeping this one for several more years before upgrading. The ESA works very well. Nice weight, lots of service history. The best bike I have owned so far.
I think the servo brakes were only 2005-2006. This is why the 2007 is special. The GSA camhead carried thru until 2013. LC GSA started in 2014. Big drawback to 2010 and earlier is the fuel strip for the gas gage. 2011 they changed to a reliable float. Thx for bringing this together.
Brilliant, smart, concise technical input & commentary- fun / entertaining as usual...'big hello' from here in North-West England, UK, we love you 'Big Rock'!
I love my 07 1200 gs. I know I would appreciate a 1250 if I tried one, but the lower weight, and significantly lower cost of the used 07 I purchased makes me happy 😊. Thanks for making the videos, Ian. We appreciate the time and love you’ve put into creating them 👍🏼
I’ve had both. An ‘07 oil cooled like yours and a ‘14 liquid cooled. Nothing wrong with the LC but I sure wish I’d held on to the ‘07. Other than not being as fast, I liked it better in every way. It just had a certain intangible je ne sais quoi. Felt like it was carved out of a single block of Teutonic alloy. The ‘14 does everything right but just feels like a soulless Japanesque appliance thing.
I recently bought a 2007 1200 GS with 85,000 miles on it. It runs like new, and I actually prefer it to my buddy's 2021 1250. It's simpler, and I have never felt like it needs more power.
This is a superbly informative video, you did your research and created well-formatted tables. Those visuals are hugely helpful to punctuate your points about 1) each generation 2) all-up. I believe your pros and cons were well-balanced, too. My history with GS's is amusing: zero ownership, but a rental for 2,700 miles (!) and more than three weeks, 2K dirt and 700 pavement (roughly), in SA, Namibia, Botswana, and Zimbabwe. With a group including Charley Boorman and Billy Ward, no less (a long story)...two guys you need to be with to learn how to ride this bike quickly. And ride it FAST yet not recklessly, see what it can really do on good gravel roads, marginal gravel roads, sand, and good trails. Some years later, I'm inches from buying a 1250. Your comments pretty much seal the deal. Thanks a million, Subscribed.
I have the end 2007 gsa, if you ask me the best of all worlds. Looks modern, enough power, no servo brakes, not too heavy. Upgrades that I did, better rear spring, Akrapovic titanium exhaust, little module to get a few hp extra. Abs pump is a weak spot. After 15 years still my daily beast.
All ready have two bikes, but definitely itching for the GSA hence I am taller older guy. One of the best information buying guide. Thanks. 1250 GSA RED with WHITE OR BLACK, I am game. Thanks again. I like the extra weight, better on the freeway. Most GS riders don’t use them off road as much.
Sometimes you sound just like Kipp from Napoleon Dynamite and I like to think that the marriage to Lafawnda has really been a success and now here you are giving us encyclopedic motorbike knowledge. Nice.
When I first drove my GSA I was astonished how easy it was to drive it, like a bicycle!! When stopped it's like moving a dead whale, but when you start moving... Unbelievable!👍
3:58 GS 1150 ADV, I had it, in my opinion the most beautiful of all the GS, regardless of the performance and technical characteristics. One of the bikes that has remained in my heart.
Thank you Ian for the effort put into this video. I own a 2010 camhead and always look to the newer R1200/R1250 but didn't figure out the exact differences with them. My GSA is in the limit of the weight I can manage comfortably so I guess I'll stick to it for a while. Cheers from Spain.
I've got a 1250 in June 2019. Over 10.000 miles later I'd say to everyone that's considering getting into GS world, give it a ride, if possible back to back with late 1200 model.
Great video. I am going to keep riding my ‘05 gs. It has plenty of power and performance for me. I did the ‘abs-ectomy’ when my servo started to fail. The older ‘17.5 model with analog gauges is most appealing to me of the newer bikes.
I have watched it and I have to say with crazy used prices and me finding a triple black 1250 .i went ahead and got it. I did not get the gsa as I am never experienced gas availability in 23 yrs of riding and also the bigger gsa size . I am 6 foot 2 with 33 inseam and fit is good. Thanks for the nugget of wishing u waited for a 1250gs
I bought my first GS a month ago. A 2013. Love the bulk of it, but hate certain aspects of it. This video is great for differences between model years (thank you), but does not address differences between 'trim' levels. Plain GS, Adventure, Premium(?), LC(?). I'm learning that there are very significant differences between them (and not just bolt on items like bars, etc.) I've seen videos from others that are supposed to be explaining the differences, but they clearly don't know as much as I do, and I don't know anywhere near enough.
Agree / Disagree Thanks for doing these videos! Owned 2014 R12GS is the best GS for fastest revving and lightest weight - Greatest bike if you can live without some of the newer refinements on late 2017 pluse! Owned 2019 R1250GS HP Very nice pretty bike with noticeable power and torque and yes shiftcam is smoother but there are issues BMW is well aware of ie: 2014 GS 220 miles to a tank consistently and often 240 or more miles, 2017 GS 210 miles to a tank, 2019 1250 sucking fumes at 185 miles - serious change! Also at highway speeds a minor hesitation between some RPM ranges, and the TFT as pretty and good as it is still needs work. I found as much a pain as it was cool. Hopefully by 2021 the third year of production BMW will have it dialed in nicely as they usually do. The best all around year for the Great Boxer GS is the late 2017 model. So good I've had three of them. Nice!
Darius-Christian Dickison It’s a BMW. Although these bikes are best in class in looks, they are finicky. Like a Harley Davidson. If it were a Japanese or British machine many if not all of these issue would not be an issue.
I am looking at purchasing one in a few months. I can afford the new GSA but was browsing for deals on used bikes. This video has been most informative. Thank you.
I watched this video back in the days and now I am rewatching it as I am about to buy 2010+ R1200RT (RT & GS are really similar when it comes to engines and technology). 13:00 - the picture shows 'hexhead' engine (OHV) not 'camhea' (DOHC).
Not bad and well explained overall. I have a 2017 BMW R1200GS Rallye here in OZ (Developed here in OZ for our Fink River Rally by BMW Melbourne) However you seem to have forgotten about in 2013 when they fully upgraded to the 1200cc water cooled engine that they also relocated the shaft drive to the LHS of the bike in an attempt to opposed the centrifugal forces in the engine so on power up or down the bike tends to "rock" much less due to the Boxer engine configuration disadvantage. From the Land of OZ
This was spot on! Very useful indeed. I am feel better informed and the length of time spent watching your video is chump change compared to the wealth of information you provided. Cheers!
Excellent commentary. BMW motorcycles are so unique they’re Guggenheim. Their aesthetics are not for everyone as is the case with most Art and where Art begins and ends. The ride characteristics are, you either love them or you do not. It is such a unique ride. For me these engines will change your life. In a good way. Again thanks for your contribution to the motorcycling community. We all benefit. Ride safe and ride often. Peace.
very happy with my late 17 gs te exclus + tft bought with 10.5 mi on clock but a big saving & 18 mnths old from a main dealer. I would always buy at a bmw dealership in case of any issues. no regrets. no wish to go to 1250. there will necessarily be refinements. feel I bought at the sweet spot ....
Great job on this overview.. yes, once you have had the cruise control- you just want it again. I currently own the R 1200 GS WC 2013 - it is super, now with 68.0k on it. I’ve done 1,000 miles in a day traveling to Idaho & Canada from the country of Texas. I had a 2003 K 1200 GT before this bike - it got me hooked on the cruise control & was a great bike - put 80.0k on it but started to get uptight about the servo - jumped into the GS in 2014. I almost got rid of The 2013 R 1200 GS WC because of the stalling at low speeds - very dangerous. I found out it was just too lean a mixture at low RPM’s - installed a device for about $100.00 the makes it a little richer at low RPM’s & the bike has been great. Thanks for your good reviews - good job on the trailer reviews too! I’m looking at a Big Foot or Escape - did you consider those two? Thanks
Great info. I bought my 2013 purely on the basis of it having a wet clutch. I do all my own maintenance and couldn’t put myself through the possibility of having to change a dry clutch…lol.
Amazing comparison between the models. New rider here, currently dreaming about getting a GS. Seriously looking at recents 1200 (2017.5) and also at 1250 as my second bike, both Adventure, so your video is welcomed. I would had appreciate to hear a little more between cons or issues related to each models/generations. For exemple, I read that 2008-2010 had gaz gage issues, or starter relay problems. I will use that motorcycle for expeditions and reliability is a main concern.
This is a refreshing video and you have gone to a lot of trouble of assisting those that may need this info.Congratulations on this fine effort.Thank you.JHB-SA.
Thanks! I have to tell u that i really like your reviews mate and your videos are awesome also like your opinion a lot in general terms, is really well balanced and proffesional , appreciate! Yeww🤜🏼🤜🏼🤜🏼gass
I've had the 2017.5 and now the 1250 and agree it's worth the upgrade if you can afford it. The GSAP seems smother too and I'm finding I'm using it far more than I did before. The Hillstart now releases without you noticing any difference between it being on or off - the initial bang and having to give it more revs than normal that I had to do on the 1200 is no longer there. Not in themselves game changers but nice to have non the less.
I really appreciate this video as I've viewed it several times as I'm considering a change from my streetglide, which I love, to a more versatile BMW. I don't want to spend a lot of time on those gravel roads, but I want that option. Thanks again
Great video! Plenty of information. Since you have a great knowledge on these GS’s, can you make one video like this talking about the R1100 and R1150’s?
Really appreciate the work you put into this. I must however note one factual error: you said that the use of the servo braking system extended to 2007 when in fact the use of that system ended in 2006. I own a 2007 and it uses standard ABS braking. The brakes are linked, but they do not use the servo system.
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Ian, you must have saved the world a lot of time collectively by cramming all that information in this video. Thank you.
No problem
I am currently shopping for a GS and this is the BEST, most informative review of 2005-present GS models! Invaluable.Thank you!
Same here.
Ian I have to say you are born to do this and a million other things I’m sure but this, for sure!
Most informative, no bull, cram packed presentation(s) available on RUclips.
You are the model for all other testimonial/tutorials. Thankyou and keep on truckin on!!
Ian, thanks a million for this video, I just bought a 2014 low mileage (22k miles) R1200GSA following your advice! I was really worried by the weight and size but the bike handles so much easier than I expected on and off-road! Unless you do rock climbing or single track trails this bike is great, even an amateur like me can take it almost anywhere! Thanks again for the advice!
sir you are the king for choosing help learning about models. Just so you know, you helped me a lot from the bottom of my heart, thank you
Great summary BUT the 2010 to 2013 cam head bikes had a lot more important updates than outlined here. The clutch was updated to over one a common problem with the thrust bearings on earlier models. The gear shift was also much improved and could be called slick - certainly MUCH better then the later liquid cooled bikes. Also the rear final drive unit got 2 updates (the last being the 2012 model year) which over came many of the weaknesses of earlier models. Finally, the troublesome fuel strip was finally replaced with a good old float in 2012 I think…although BMW have just released a fix for the strip. So, if you can go for a 2012 or 13 for a GSA. Folks also commented on the cost of shock replacement which is high. BMW will tell you they cannot be reconditioned which will rubbish. There are any number of shops in the US/UK and Europe that I am aware of which will rebuild and ESA shock for about £150 and give you a better valves shock back.
I'm just looking at a 2011 model 27k miles in the UK.
It doesn't have ABS. So am I right that it was optional.
My 1150 which has now done 91k Miles doesn't have ABS and it's not an issue for me.
Yes ABS was an option BUT I have never seen a later twin cam without it. I assume you don’t have ESA (electronic suspension) etc as well….so very basic bike. Nothing wrong with that at all.
@mac22011964
Ive not test ridden it or scrutinised it yet I've only seen it in the showroom very quickly. I'm not sure about the electronic suspension.
I like basic, but if I'm stepping up from a 2000 registration gs1150 should I go for one with abs and electronic suspension...that's the question I keep asking myself. I do like basic bike though, that's what has always put me off the 1250. Too much tech.
It's the twin cam oil cooled engine I like, the same as I have in my R nine T. Such a sweet engine.
Hi Ian just a small note, the 2007 model does not have servo brakes. Only 2005, 06 ran this system. So I feel if you are an enthusiast and wanted to dodge the electrics and possible servo issues the 2007 model might be the go to model. Personally I love the analogue gauges. Perhaps it’s an old man thing but as your reflexes slow and sight dwindle etc it’s nice to look down and perhaps through familiarity etc you spot rpm and speed fairly instantly.
Can confirm this, having owned a '07. Targeted it for being freed of it while still being the most lightweight GS. :)
Yes imo best is to have modern screen with all info and analogue rpm counter, optionally also speedo
Yup...just bought a 2007 with 25000km's on, I'm the second owner, and I asked the previous owner about the servos, he confirmed and have a note from BMW that the 2007 is servo free, look for the big holes on the slip ring on the left disc, servo brakes have small holes
Knowledge is power
This is DOPE! EXACTLY what i was searching for :) thanks mate
Thank you from Australia, your guide helped me select a model with confidence. Picked up a 2010 R1200gs with under 50,000Ks on the clock in near pristine condition.
Great video Ian! The definitive guide that everyone has been waiting for. I took weeks to do all my research and decide on a lightly used 2017.5 GS. I did consider the 1250, but a lightly used 2017.5 is the best value at the moment. I was able to buy one with thousands of dollars worth of accessories, on-road use only and only 10,000 miles for about $7000 less than a lightly used 2019 with no options. Keep up the great work!
Another easy way to check if a 2017 model has the 2017.5 upgrades is that colored circle inside the speedo and tacho is blue.
Nice! congrats. I'm looking for the same, for the same reasons.
@@kee7678 this is my first GS and I'm really enjoying it. I keep asking myself why I waited so long to finally get one of these outstanding bikes.
@@astrobusa I asked my friend who owns a 2016 for his opinion and he said the same thing. "Wished he had bought one sooner."
@@ektalon1 .... I totally agree
I love how some of your takeaways in this video are that you wished you held out for the 1250, and to see how much you ended up loving your 1250A, and one of the biggest reoccurring comments was the weight needs to start going back down, which is has on your new 1300! Thank you for this video explaining the evolutions of the GS!
Hi Ian great video. Owned several GS the first was a 2009 then I exchanged it for Honda CrossTourer DCT as I wanted a newer bike. Big big mistake because it was so heavy and after only a few months of ownership I exchanged it for a 2008 GS. Yes BMW really do need to make sure they don't make their bikes too heavy.
So I had in the space of several months ended up with an older bike. But the advantage with that was I now had a bike without ESA and no Tyre Pressure Monitors. One of those cost me £250 to replace because of incompetent tyre fitter. Yes its great to have all the fancy technology but boy if it goes wrong your talking lots of money to get it repaired. Thats probably why so many still love the 1100cc & 1150cc.All that said after over 50 yeas of riding bikes tw0 three & four cylinders its the Boxer motor for me every time. Stay safe.
Your channel has swung me...I sold my last street bike 8 years ago, when my wife was pregnant with our first child...your riding with kids video convinced me that it's time to get another bike.
I've always been a cruiser guy, but have always ridden dirt bikes also. A few weeks ago I began looking at Harley's, bit6 you swung me to search out a BMW R1200GSA.
I've located a 2015 and planning to go look at it next week.
Thanks for all of your content, your videos are always well thought out and professional!
In 2019 my son in-law gave me a 05 1200 GS with only 1700 miles in it. It was in a climate controlled hanger with other toys but it had regular service done on it.
I love this bike! I do my own maintenance but the two things I don't like is the LCD as that it's hard to read in sunlight. Second is the servo breaks because there very touchy and they require specialized service every 2 years. I do it every year just to play it safe.
Wonderful video, I've watched it several times.
Thanks
The motorcycle generally regarded as the world's finest deserves a fantastic and ranging video like this. Terrific job thoroughly, yet briefly taking us through this history. Beyond useful for us experienced riders considering our first GS. Thank you.
I just wanted to swing by this video again and say thank you for creating it. I used it as a guide for which model to buy when I wanted to see what the ADV thing was all about w/o spending a ton of money. I got a 2008 with 25k miles about 18 months ago, and I've ridden it all over CA and the western states while adding various accessories for safety and utility. Every time I ride it puts a smile on my face. I seldom ride just for fun, so this bike being a do everything is perfect for me. I'm next planning for a Honda or Kawi 300 dual purpose in spring or summer, and I'll be using your experiences as a guide again.
Hey there! Just to let you know, I Just bought a 2007 GS to replace my '04 with 80k. One of the reason I picked this year is that it does Not have servo brakes. Just FYI.
What a great video… all the information you need.. just bought a uded GSA and watched this video a lot of times… great job.. Congratulations… 💪
This is a great buyer's guide. I learned a lot about the GS. I feel that a GS or GSA may be in my future. This is also an interesting historical piece. Bravo!
Great content, Ian! After a 25 year break in riding I got back into the game on a BMW650GS. Loved it and it convinced me of the BMW two wheel quality. It was a great bike, but I wanted a little better off road capability for my skill level (low). After trying to find an ADV/Dual Sport through most of 2021 I finally gave up on the idea and decided to have a dedicated road bike and an off road MC. Am now the proud owner of a 2007 R1200RT and a 2004 KTM 200 two stroke for $6500 combined. The RT is amazingly comfortable, and concur that cruise control and adjustable windscreens are the bomb! As for the KTM… it still scares the crap out of me and I love it.
I am looking for an air/oil head GS. Most likely will be focusing on 2010-12 models .
Thanks for this very comprehensive presentation
This is the only comparative video about the evolution of the GS. Simple and to the point. Thank you
I ride a 13' GSA. The last oil cooled GSA. Does not have ASC (traction control) but never felt I needed it. I do miss the cruise control, but have the Kaoko throttle lock which is good enough. I love the grunt on the low revs. I have never felt under power on the street. Must agree with the crank case quite rough . I am still keeping this one for several more years before upgrading. The ESA works very well. Nice weight, lots of service history. The best bike I have owned so far.
I think the servo brakes were only 2005-2006. This is why the 2007 is special. The GSA camhead carried thru until 2013. LC GSA started in 2014. Big drawback to 2010 and earlier is the fuel strip for the gas gage. 2011 they changed to a reliable float. Thx for bringing this together.
Made me smile when you were clearly going to mention Long way rou.... then cut! 😀
Great video. Personally I prefer your earlier work like “Sean of the dead” or” Hot Fuzz” but this stuff is still right up there.
Brilliant, smart, concise technical input & commentary- fun / entertaining as usual...'big hello' from here in North-West England, UK, we love you 'Big Rock'!
I love my 07 1200 gs. I know I would appreciate a 1250 if I tried one, but the lower weight, and significantly lower cost of the used 07 I purchased makes me happy 😊. Thanks for making the videos, Ian. We appreciate the time and love you’ve put into creating them 👍🏼
I’ve had both. An ‘07 oil cooled like yours and a ‘14 liquid cooled. Nothing wrong with the LC but I sure wish I’d held on to the ‘07. Other than not being as fast, I liked it better in every way. It just had a certain intangible je ne sais quoi. Felt like it was carved out of a single block of Teutonic alloy. The ‘14 does everything right but just feels like a soulless Japanesque appliance thing.
I recently bought a 2007 1200 GS with 85,000 miles on it. It runs like new, and I actually prefer it to my buddy's 2021 1250. It's simpler, and I have never felt like it needs more power.
This is a superbly informative video, you did your research and created well-formatted tables. Those visuals are hugely helpful to punctuate your points about 1) each generation 2) all-up. I believe your pros and cons were well-balanced, too. My history with GS's is amusing: zero ownership, but a rental for 2,700 miles (!) and more than three weeks, 2K dirt and 700 pavement (roughly), in SA, Namibia, Botswana, and Zimbabwe. With a group including Charley Boorman and Billy Ward, no less (a long story)...two guys you need to be with to learn how to ride this bike quickly. And ride it FAST yet not recklessly, see what it can really do on good gravel roads, marginal gravel roads, sand, and good trails. Some years later, I'm inches from buying a 1250. Your comments pretty much seal the deal. Thanks a million, Subscribed.
Yes, so very useful, thank you! It’s also fun to see how your production quality has improved over the years. We’ll done!
Man you just saved me a lot of time and heartache about what model GS to get… thanks and great video
Thanks. Just bought a 2019 R1250GS based on this. Fingers crossed!
I have the end 2007 gsa, if you ask me the best of all worlds. Looks modern, enough power, no servo brakes, not too heavy. Upgrades that I did, better rear spring, Akrapovic titanium exhaust, little module to get a few hp extra. Abs pump is a weak spot. After 15 years still my daily beast.
i am thinking to buy 1150 GS year 2000 130k and replaced clutch from owner in his 60s he took good care about bike
Just got a 2017 Rallye and it’s the best bike I’ve ever seen or ridden. Thanks for this guide Ian!
This is probably the best breakdown of any bike I have seen. Thank you for taking the time to make this
Glad you enjoyed it!
Fantastic review. You just made life a whole lot easier for me. All I need to do is work on my budget. Thank you so much 🙏🏽
All ready have two bikes, but definitely itching for the GSA hence I am taller older guy. One of the best information buying guide. Thanks. 1250 GSA RED with WHITE OR BLACK, I am game. Thanks again. I like the extra weight, better on the freeway. Most GS riders don’t use them off road as much.
Good appraisal. Just to note I have a late 2007 model. It does NOT have the servo assisted brakes that the 05-06 has.
Yes, I was going to mention that as well. I have an ‘07 GSA ABS and it doesn’t have the dreaded servo brakes.
Thanks for Making this. I am looking
For an air GS and this solidified what I thought! Ride Safe
No problem
Sometimes you sound just like Kipp from Napoleon Dynamite and I like to think that the marriage to Lafawnda has really been a success and now here you are giving us encyclopedic motorbike knowledge. Nice.
I have the 2020 r1250gsa and I am in love.....
So versatile and nimble when moving!! Great history👍
When I first drove my GSA I was astonished how easy it was to drive it, like a bicycle!! When stopped it's like moving a dead whale, but when you start moving... Unbelievable!👍
3:58 GS 1150 ADV, I had it, in my opinion the most beautiful of all the GS, regardless of the performance and technical characteristics. One of the bikes that has remained in my heart.
I'm with you, that's one of the best looking bikes ever.
Thanks for the video! Nice to get all that GS info in under 30 mins!
Thank you Ian for the effort put into this video. I own a 2010 camhead and always look to the newer R1200/R1250 but didn't figure out the exact differences with them. My GSA is in the limit of the weight I can manage comfortably so I guess I'll stick to it for a while. Cheers from Spain.
Thanks
I'm looking to get a GS and this vid has been so helpful thankyou!
Very informative and extremely helpful as I am deciding on whether to go used or new regarding the GSA/GS. Thanks for the video, much appreciated.
No worries
So glad to find your video. It helps me a lot to make decision to buy which model of GS.... great work!
I've got a 1250 in June 2019. Over 10.000 miles later I'd say to everyone that's considering getting into GS world, give it a ride, if possible back to back with late 1200 model.
Thanks so much for this video. This info is exactly what I’ve been looking for during my GS search
Great and informative video as always Ian, keep it up! Not really a BMW rider myself but always a pleasure to watch.
I would love a buyers guide to the 700/50 and 800/50 buyers guide:)
Thank you for this matey, exactly what I needed. Just about to buy the 2018 GS.
great choice ride safe
Great video. I am going to keep riding my ‘05 gs. It has plenty of power and performance for me. I did the ‘abs-ectomy’ when my servo started to fail. The older ‘17.5 model with analog gauges is most appealing to me of the newer bikes.
Was it removing the servo and keeping it non servo assisted? Like a conventional bike? I just bought a 05 1200gs
I have watched it and I have to say with crazy used prices and me finding a triple black 1250 .i went ahead and got it. I did not get the gsa as I am never experienced gas availability in 23 yrs of riding and also the bigger gsa size . I am 6 foot 2 with 33 inseam and fit is good.
Thanks for the nugget of wishing u waited for a 1250gs
always a pleasure to watch your videos thank you for all the great info
Wow, great summary and overview Ian. Thanks! Most of us have gained more weight than the GS over time!
I bought my first GS a month ago. A 2013. Love the bulk of it, but hate certain aspects of it.
This video is great for differences between model years (thank you), but does not address differences between 'trim' levels. Plain GS, Adventure, Premium(?), LC(?). I'm learning that there are very significant differences between them (and not just bolt on items like bars, etc.) I've seen videos from others that are supposed to be explaining the differences, but they clearly don't know as much as I do, and I don't know anywhere near enough.
Really really good video, watched it in its entirety. Great job.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Agree / Disagree
Thanks for doing these videos!
Owned 2014 R12GS is the best GS for fastest revving and lightest weight - Greatest bike if you can live without some of the newer refinements on late 2017 pluse!
Owned 2019 R1250GS HP Very nice pretty bike with noticeable power and torque and yes shiftcam is smoother but there are issues BMW is well aware of ie:
2014 GS 220 miles to a tank consistently and often 240 or more miles,
2017 GS 210 miles to a tank,
2019 1250 sucking fumes at 185 miles - serious change! Also at highway speeds a minor hesitation between some RPM ranges, and the TFT as pretty and good as it is still needs work. I found as much a pain as it was cool. Hopefully by 2021 the third year of production BMW will have it dialed in nicely as they usually do. The best all around year for the Great Boxer GS is the late 2017 model. So good I've had three of them. Nice!
Darius-Christian Dickison
It’s a BMW. Although these bikes are best in class in looks, they are finicky. Like a Harley Davidson. If it were a Japanese or British machine many if not all of these issue would not be an issue.
I just filled up my 09 r1200gs adventure. The ride computer said distance to empty was 500 miles(!). It quickly changed to 450 or so but still...
I am looking at purchasing one in a few months. I can afford the new GSA but was browsing for deals on used bikes. This video has been most informative. Thank you.
I watched this video back in the days and now I am rewatching it as I am about to buy 2010+ R1200RT (RT & GS are really similar when it comes to engines and technology). 13:00 - the picture shows 'hexhead' engine (OHV) not 'camhea' (DOHC).
Not bad and well explained overall.
I have a 2017 BMW R1200GS Rallye here in OZ (Developed here in OZ for our Fink River Rally by BMW Melbourne)
However you seem to have forgotten about in 2013 when they fully upgraded to the 1200cc water cooled engine that they also relocated the shaft drive to the LHS of the bike in an attempt to opposed the centrifugal forces in the engine so on power up or down the bike tends to "rock" much less due to the Boxer engine configuration disadvantage.
From the Land of OZ
I actually prefer the feel of the dry clutch :)
This was spot on! Very useful indeed. I am feel better informed and the length of time spent watching your video is chump change compared to the wealth of information you provided. Cheers!
Excellent commentary. BMW motorcycles are so unique they’re Guggenheim. Their aesthetics are not for everyone as is the case with most Art and where Art begins and ends. The ride characteristics are, you either love them or you do not. It is such a unique ride. For me these engines will change your life. In a good way. Again thanks for your contribution to the motorcycling community. We all benefit. Ride safe and ride often. Peace.
thanks
very happy with my late 17 gs te exclus + tft bought with 10.5 mi on clock but a big saving & 18 mnths old from a main dealer. I would always buy at a bmw dealership in case of any issues. no regrets. no wish to go to 1250. there will necessarily be refinements. feel I bought at the sweet spot ....
agree that is the sweet spot! however I rode a 1250 and now I am done for!
Excellent work. My knowedge was nothing til you learned me and now I am a master. I just got a 12 and oh boy.
Great overview I was looking for. Thanks!
Great job on this overview.. yes, once you have had the cruise control- you just want it again. I currently own the R 1200 GS WC 2013 - it is super, now with 68.0k on it. I’ve done 1,000 miles in a day traveling to Idaho & Canada from the country of Texas. I had a 2003 K 1200 GT before this bike - it got me hooked on the cruise control & was a great bike - put 80.0k on it but started to get uptight about the servo - jumped into the GS in 2014. I almost got rid of The 2013 R 1200 GS WC because of the stalling at low speeds - very dangerous. I found out it was just too lean a mixture at low RPM’s - installed a device for about $100.00 the makes it a little richer at low RPM’s & the bike has been great. Thanks for your good reviews - good job on the trailer reviews too! I’m looking at a Big Foot or Escape - did you consider those two? Thanks
Another excellent video, thanks for sharing. I think I will be looking for a 1250. Cheers
Great video, thanks for the review. I am considering buying a GSA, and with your help, many questions have been answered. Good winds!!!!
Glad it was helpful!
Liked for the Starbucks blurb 😆. Keep up the great work!
Great info. I bought my 2013 purely on the basis of it having a wet clutch. I do all my own maintenance and couldn’t put myself through the possibility of having to change a dry clutch…lol.
great review. considering a GS and this gives me the info needed to make an informed purchase
Thanks again for this video. I keep coming back.
Greath video... Thanks and greating from The Netherlands
Appreciate you putting this together.
Thank you very much. You just saved me hours or research. Very well presented too.
Amazing comparison between the models. New rider here, currently dreaming about getting a GS. Seriously looking at recents 1200 (2017.5) and also at 1250 as my second bike, both Adventure, so your video is welcomed. I would had appreciate to hear a little more between cons or issues related to each models/generations. For exemple, I read that 2008-2010 had gaz gage issues, or starter relay problems. I will use that motorcycle for expeditions and reliability is a main concern.
i have the 2008 version, without esa. Currently 69000 km without any issue, and yes im also using for tours and sometime into the city.
Thank you for the informative breakdown of the recent models
Just put a deposit on a 2019 gs hp, trading in my 2014 Bonneville t100. Thanks for all of your info
I had the budget and what was for sale last month a 2007 gsa or a 2009gs. I went for the gs and thanks to your video I know I made the right choice 👍🏼
This is a refreshing video and you have gone to a lot of trouble of assisting those that may need this info.Congratulations on this fine effort.Thank you.JHB-SA.
You are now the Gospel pal!!! Thanks for everything you do! It really helps the advanced AND the nuwbs
Glad to help
Loved the Vid. Just what I was looking for. Thanks!
Thanks for the informative and honest video
Ian, I really like your reviews. Thanks
Thanks! I have to tell u that i really like your reviews mate and your videos are awesome also like your opinion a lot in general terms, is really well balanced and proffesional , appreciate! Yeww🤜🏼🤜🏼🤜🏼gass
Very good job👍👏Recently I change my 2005 Gs to a2008 Gs. Your remarks are accurate. Very good video. 👍👏🇬🇷
I've had the 2017.5 and now the 1250 and agree it's worth the upgrade if you can afford it. The GSAP seems smother too and I'm finding I'm using it far more than I did before. The Hillstart now releases without you noticing any difference between it being on or off - the initial bang and having to give it more revs than normal that I had to do on the 1200 is no longer there. Not in themselves game changers but nice to have non the less.
EXCELLENT GUIDE I KEEP WATCHING IT.
I really appreciate this video as I've viewed it several times as I'm considering a change from my streetglide, which I love, to a more versatile BMW. I don't want to spend a lot of time on those gravel roads, but I want that option. Thanks again
Great video thank you. At the end you mention that there are several other adventure bikes as good as the GS. Would you care to mention some? Thanks
Great video! Plenty of information.
Since you have a great knowledge on these GS’s, can you make one video like this talking about the R1100 and R1150’s?
Really appreciate the work you put into this. I must however note one factual error: you said that the use of the servo braking system extended to 2007 when in fact the use of that system ended in 2006. I own a 2007 and it uses standard ABS braking. The brakes are linked, but they do not use the servo system.
Thanks for your great effort! Very informative! What do you do for a living? You got so many vehicles in your garage! Keep on the good work! 👍
The best one R 1200 GS 2013 / 14 ( old one dry clutch oil cooled )
Thank you for the great info!