I’ve (we’ve) been riding our 2010 GSA here in Western Australia for almost all of its lifetime . I want to commend you for an accurate, realistic and comprehensive review. As I’m sure you appreciate, what makes your reviews substantial is the commentary....not just mildly interesting video. The concepts you focussed on in the review were entirely appropriate.....but I’d like to add a word that I think is key to the review....VERSATILITY. We use our bike on tarmac highway, paved backroads, gravel roads, easy dirt roads. We’ve done camping trips towing a trailer, long highway trips and everything in between..... but we don’t do ‘technical’. This is without doubt the most versatile motorcycle I have ever ridden. Love that BMW!
Have to agree. I own this exact bike and after having garages full of Harleys, crotch rockets, dirt bikes and ATVs…she does it all. Bikes are like boats…not one will do everything but if you find one that does a little of everything is priceless
I have a 2010 too. I have ridden it for three years now. Of course there are improvements on later models but the fact is that you get an awful lot for your money if you buy a second hand 1200 GS in good shape. It is an amazingly good bike!
Absolutely spot on. This is by far the most versatile bike I have ever owned. Yes it is big and heavy and yes, I don’t due super technical on it, but other than that, it can do just about everything I need. Well balanced review!!
I noticed you camped in the left lane on the highway as others have to pass you on the right. Why do you do this?. I canl’t emphasize just how annoying this is when you and those like you do this. SLOWER TRAFFIC USE RIGHT LANE. I totally disagree with your reasoning being it was a filming technicality. All it does is make you look bad and if you’re in cruise control with all those lanes empty on your right your reasoning doesn’t stand up.
Took my GS loaded with luggage down the Pinkham Jeep trail in Joshua Tree yesterday. Worked great until I hit the foot deep sandy gravel. There was no way to go fast enough to float the front & if you did it would try to climb out of the tire ruts & tip over. Finally I got it stuck to the center stand. Luckily for me 2 dirt bikers came along and helped me push it out & turn the big girl around. Who ever you guys are, thanks a million. I at least owe you a dinner & beer. Suffice to say I found the bikes & my limits. Open sand with room for speed would work, but add wheel ruts & no way. I did at least 6 GS dead lifts. Sadly the showroom shine is no more.
I was going ask the same question. The new Tiger looks very competitive against the GS/GSA bikes. Not sure how Triumph stacks up as far as dealer experience or community that BMW seems to have developed.
If you're being passed on the right, (like you are numerous times) get the fuck over! As a So Cal bike rider you are the problem if you are going slower, no matter what the speed of traffic, in the fast lane (#1 lane).
Good Video. While you touched on the subject of reliability what I find astonishing is how unreliable premium bikes are as compared with the cheaper Japanese bikes. In any comparison I've read Yamaha, Honda, Kawasaki and Suzuki occupy to top four slots for reliability while BMW, KTM and Ducati come way down the list so essentially you are paying a lot more money for a less reliable bike that you have to pay a lot more money to repair more often. I think that the mad dash to bolt more and more electronics onto a bike has now passed the the point where it contributed to reliability and safely, and now has got to a point where it's just more to go wrong especially on an adventure bike.
a XR650L could do the job too....but why wear a Casio when you can wear a Rolex? And I don't mean to show off...Rolex/BMW needs more maintenance but it gives back so much more than a Casio. I hope one day you will get it.
I had a R1200R and at 58.000km the fuel pump fell apart. The same problem was already seen in 1990 BMW. models. So think the unreliability is built in. I went back to Yamaha....
@@happyswissjoe funny. I appreciate a Rolex but sending it to Switzerland every few years for an expensive service, not so much. My day to day watch is a Casio. Guess that’s why Im riding a Honda Africa Twin and not a Ducati Multistrada V4s with radar.
@@happyswissjoe It comes down to personal choice at the end of the day, there's no right or wrong answer. Personally I value reliability, and having the bike available when I want to use it rather than in a garage being fixed or stranded at the side of a road. Plus of course nobody will mug you for a Casio.
Currently I ride a Kawasaki concourse 1400. I had a GS . The Japanese bikes are just easy, peasy lemon sqeezy. Just maintain & enjoy. My next bike would be the AT DCT, hopefully it will be a 1250 engine with at least 125 bhp.
Seeing a review after long term use makes all the difference. I really appreciated your honest advice about the technical off-road use of this, or any, heavy bike. I tend to go off by myself a lot and that's important caution for me. Sounds to me like you'll always have at least one Beemer in your stable!
What about the seat height, the skinny foot pegs, and missing sound system? Touring requires better amenities in all these areas and more. I like the GS but I can only afford one bike so I need a tourer.
@@charleschilders6388 Easy fixes - get a pair (out of bazillions of choices) of wider foot pegs to your liking (me, I'm a fan and lover of the Pivot Pegz MK4's - nice and wide AND pivot foot position when needed) and even better choices for in-helmet sound systems without all of the extra road/bike/traffic noise! Go Cardo Edge!
I own a 2010 R1200R. Always serviced by official garage BMW Meeusen Wijnegem Belgium. The last 2 years I will remember because of very unreliable service, like, bike returning back for the same problem several times in a row. Brakes not working properly, wrong diagnosis of paralever front ball head suspension, they 'forgot' to ever change the fuel/water filter (+12y maintenance!), missing and broken bolts and nuts after maintenance,... 😞 NOT a good representation of a BMW dealership and customer support.
For those of you who like wrenching on your bikes, this might not the bike for you. I remember reading that BMW does not sell shop manuals for the new(er) models anymore. This is a complex bike and you will not be able to perform repairs w/o proper information. Unfortunately BMW seems to have turned against the right to repair. But chances are that, if you have the money for such an expensive bike, you won't mind their overpriced repair/accessory bills.
Love your videos Ian, but Dude! That is the passing lane NOT a “fast lane”, people that travel in the left lane cause huge traffic flow problems. Unless California is different, keep right except to pass. I do love your videos just some constructive criticism. Take care.
Yes that’s how it is here in Belgium as well: traffic regulations require you to stay in the right-most lane unless you’re overtaking. I tend to move to the left-most lane (for my own safety) when there’s an insertion lane (is that the right word?) on the right, since that causes a lot of the cars/lorries to change lanes - sometimes suddenly.
In California folks drive however they want without regard to laws, safety or courtesy to other drivers. Ian’s 76 mph in a 65 mph fast-lane is hardly a sin. In a 4-wheeled vehicle on a 65 mph freeway, i like to drive at 80 mph, most drive under 85 mph, so not a big deal. Lol.
After watching this very through review, a light illuminated in my cranium! I just completed the CDR on a Kawasaki KLR 650. I encountered several GS1200's and typically the riders were older than me. I'm 59. On one particular occasion I was following two late model GS1200's on a very long stretch of Wyoming dual-track desert type terrain and these guys were "getting after it!" I kept up for about 30 miles but continued to fall- back heading into the small desert town of Atlantic City Wyoming. To my surprise both men were waiting for me with bikes parked and helmets off. When I arrived they were amazed at my ability to "keep-up?" After a few conciliatory pats on the back they departed and I was left to lick my wounds of defeat by two older men, (late 60's) and wonder why my skill set was so lacking? Besides the simple engine displacement disparity the technology on those bikes, for that particular scenario was superior! I was envious! However, in a later section of the CDR, Idaho, one of these guys was down on the side of the road with a broken collar bone. Just as you described the fellow washed out the front end on what I'd describe as an innocuous rut. What you described as a lack of positive feedback through the front end was EXACTLY what he said he encountered! Your reviews are exceptional! Thanks Ian! By the way your review on the 2022 KLR convinced me to purchase one. 5600 miles of on road, off road, all weather and the motorcycle was bullet proof. You helped me realize a dream I've had for 40 years! Salute!😊
Honestly. I see all these driver modes as a crotch. If you remove all the driving modes, those old guys wouldn’t drive as fast. Take all the driver modes of and they will drive with a 1/3 off the speed they are usual running. Remove all the driver modes and learn with out.
Too many cars passing on the right...(unless you're recording in a UK territory) So - which is better? 1 BMW 1250GS ($26K) or 2 Husqvarna Norden 901s (@ $13K ea)?
Ian, great review and you sum up a lot of my feelings and issues. I have a 2014 GSA that suffered a rusty frame and subframe at 3 1/2 years and barely 4,000 miles. Eventually they were replaced under “goodwill” but not before a dreadful bodge job and a bike returned in a dangerous condition (3 of 4 engine bolts loose) and other parts damaged of badly installed. They refused to consider the poor paint on the rear drive making excuses about water based paint. I would sum up as great sales experience, poor at dealing with quality issues, the head office here in the UK promises plenty and delivers nothing. I like the GSA but not the build quality or BMW’s response to it. Last but not least is the exhaust flap valve, a known weak point on the pre LC bikes. On that series at least easily replaced. On then LC bikes all part of the header and cat assembly. I was quoted £1,800 ($2,500)! I bought a second hand on on ebay for £200 and fitted it myself. Despite my extended warranty it’s not covered. Surprise. I’m going for an Africa Twin 1100 DCT ES after a long time away from Honda. As the song goes, things can only get better…… Keep up the great work. Cheers, Ian
Very good review of your 1250GSA...one of the other comments here mention comparing the Super Tenere 1200 to the GS/GSA. I think the Super Tenere checks all the same boxes as the BMW, but I and many others value your opinion and would like to see a comparison video. Is the BMW worth 10K more than the Super10...I don't think so. Thanks again for all your great videos.
Hey Ian, as usual excellent review, still would like a review of a Super Tenere and compared with a bmw the price is the deciding factor for me. I ride a fjr a d love it but i am planning a long adventure ride in 2023 and would like to buy a super tenere since i trust Yamaha explicitly.... looking forward to that one...
This is without a doubt the BEST R1250GSA review I have seen to date! I pickup my 2022 R1250GSA on Wednesday and have been looking for a video just like this to enjoy as I impatiently wait. I’ve watched many of your other videos and appreciate you putting so much time and energy in to each and every one. This video though is just perfect!
Ian, I have watched you for some time now and have really come to appreciate your ability to give honest reviews and other info that riders need to know about.
Really good review. I have done the demo and like the GS but after a lot of thought I'm on the fence with the asking price. I rode my 1000XT from South Florida to Tennessee last year and can't help but think $12K gave me the same experience $25K would. This Suzuki seems bulletproof for those that have traded is it really worth the extra cash?
I owned a 2016 V Strom 1000 and have ridden the 1200 and 1250 a fair bit. The V Strom is a good bike, and I imagine that the XT is even better. The GS is really, really good. The 1250 is a genuinely quick bike and the handling is superb. The V Strom was an easy bike to ride but the GS is absolutely effortless. It’s twice the price of the V Strom. It’s not twice the bike, but it isn’t far off.
I have a $10k used Africa Twin that I like alot, how much better would a $25k new GSA be? Maybe 10 or 15% better. But GSA would still take me to the same places. Sounds like your in the same place.
Still have my VSTROM 1000 2002 model. Have it 14 years. Total cost around 8 to 9 thousands. Never opened the motor still playing with BMW gs on the street.
I would suggest a used GS/GSA. You can get those for 15-20k depending on year, model, condition and mileage. Those are well worth the value and the owners have taken the light deprecation hit. GS bikes hold their value very well and for good reason. My 2018 GSA Rallye with 18k miles retails for about 18-18.5k in the used market currently. Most other bikes with that mileage and year age would depreciate much more, including that Suzuki you mentioned. If you can save a few extra grand more, get a used GS/GSA. You will not regret it for 85-90 percent of the riding you do. I do technical stuff so it’s a challenge, but that’s the one area it struggles. It does everything else VERY WELL. If I could only have one bike, it would be a GS/GSA.
Fantastic review, as a GSA owner for the last 5 years all the points Ian talked about were spot on !!! And for some of us more into heavy off roading the GSA it’s completely capable but I highly recommend to take a class for off-roading designed for large bikes and most of all… don’t be afraid dropping the motorcycle - it will be ok, it’s amazing how much punishment they can endure just make sure you are a bit fit, as Ian mentioned the bike it’s heavy so be prepared and enjoy off-roading .
Great up load but not being very wealthy and wanting to buy a second hand bike I find it hard to get the right information as most reviews are on new bikes ??? how cool would it be to review a bike with lets say 50K on the clock and to point out what to look for ?? Whilst I do understand new bikes being reviewed I would say 70/80 % of bikers are buying used machines ?? Anyway still a good up load ..
I, like you had felt the same discomfort when taking DL1000 on technical trails. It could do it, but you can get yourself into a situation where your alone, and it would be very difficult to pick the bike up if you're in an awkward position. Other than that, it was an excellent touring bike. I'm with you, get on a lighter bike for more difficult off road trails. The KTM 890R comes to mind.
sadly people are falling for the "scam" of adventure bikes......Too damn heavy to go beyond dirt trails. It's incredibly easy to hit the limit of these bikes off-road, Drop it......now you're fucked.....because you never end up dropping a bike on a flat surface, it's always at a bad Angle....incredibly hard to pick up, even with crash bars.
I have a 2008 GSA. Bought it new. My 3rd BMW (2 air heads prior). The air heads were the most reliable bikes I have ever owned. The GSA is the least. Constant fiddly problems - mainly with fuel system. I bought a T7.
This was the exact review I was looking for, so thank you! It's taken me owning 4 Adventure touring bikes to realize I really need an adventure Touring bike. 500miles a day on a drz400 is possible, but not easy to do back to back to back. I'm going to go pick up some aluminum cans every weekend for the next 5 years until I can afford this bike.
Fantastic review and I really appreciate it. The GSA is hands down my favorite motorcycle out there. Nothing compares to the all around capability of the motorcycle. The biggest issue is the price tag and it's the only reason that would prevent me from getting too aggressive on off road because who wants to risk dropping such an expensive bike? Just love the bike.
I had a 1100GS back in 97 and loved it. The telelever suspension gave me a lot more confidence for higher speed twisty riding with its ability to alow you to brake hard in a corner if needed. That had no ajustable ride modes, so there was less to go wrong electronically. After 100 thousand miles the only problem was I had to replace the front main seal after it started weeping. I no longer ride as I had my left leg amputated, but if I did I would choose another GS. GREAT BIKE
If I were you James, I’d check out one of those Can-Am Spiders. You can get them used for a pretty decent price now that they’ve been out for a good while. It’s a reverse trike design, so you get the motorcycle feel, but don’t have to worry about tipping over.
Hey James, my uncle lost his left leg and now rides a 300 vespa with the changes in the handle. Also Honda has DTS. I hope you get back in the saddle one of this days.
Great review and spot on in relation to the off road limitations (for most riders). Another point when comparing it to road tourers is that it has longer leg room plus the ability to stand and stretch out! A major plus - particularly in hot riding conditions 2 up.
Well done Ian! Another detailed, thorough and honest review. I’m on my 4th generation GS and they keep getting better. It’s the perfect bike for me as 80% of my riding is on the street/sport touring and the rest light off road. Long live the OG Adventure bike. #BMW #GSA
For the price the bike sells it sure it has everything. There are cars in 2022 that dont have this technology in them. The GS is another prime example of finest German engineering. Too heavy for hard off-roading, but for the road it sure its king.
Would love to hear some discussion on the Super Tenere from you. Not sure the price difference in the two, but I understand it to be a more reliable, simpler, and significantly more affordable alternative to the 1250. Theres no doubt that the BMW is an engineering marvel, but heavy on the electronics and software side. If the Super Ten is thousands less and will last significantly longer ( a la longhaulpaul), would be nice to see if it’s almost as good from a riding perspective. Or, if the value proposition for both are roughly equivalent. Brilliant work Ian
Ian nailed it on the review. I have a Super Tenere and bought that over the BMW for a number of reasons...I found the boxer engine shaky, like it was uneven firing on the cylinders, I couldn't get comfortable with the engine sticking out as my feet were either stuck down or above the heads like I was giving birth. It is literally twice the price of the S10 and same with the accessories. The shaft drive had me worried, a warrantee does you no good when you are in the middle of the mountains with nothing around and it breaks down, plus the cost for regular maintenance was extremely high. That being said the Super Tenere comes up short of the BMW in a number of areas, it is very much an older style with no updates for quite some time, not a lot of electronics on it, suspension is average at best, wind protection is less than the BMW. With all that in mind I am glad that I went with the Super Tenere, reliability was very important to me, I knew I would be dropping the bike a number of times and did not want expensive repair bills and for about $1500 more than the original price I had a dam fine bike that fits me well.
Nice review. Side point: Here in my state it is a big fine to camp in the fast lane unless it is marked as HOV. The far left lane is used for passing only similar to like the autobahn in Germany.
Heh. I wanted to shout at him to move over. It's one thing to not go over the limit yourself, but you don't need to act as a pace vehicle for everyone else. If they want to speed and get a ticket, that's on them. Stay out of the passing lane. :)
Hey, thanks for a wonderful evaluation of the BMW 1250 GS. I couldn't have asked for more. Your evaluation was perfect. The pros and cons were on point . Yes, this is a magnificant mortorcycle all around , but it has it''s limitations. You pointed out it's strengths and weaknesses in an exacting manor. Perfect and clearly understood. The GS is a wonderful motorcycle , but not perfect. It does do everything it's designed for in an excellent manor, but it does have it's limitations. All in all a fantastic motorcycle that performs the duties of a few bikes rolled into one. It cannot be smaller or lighter and be a GS. Those are the facts, but if you were to buy a smaller lighter bike than the GS with it's numerous attributes, you would be loosing out in many areas that the GS covers nicely. All in all, one bike cannot do it all, but, the closest thing to that is a BMW, GS , in my humble opinion.
Excellent review. I have a 2018 GSA (and several other motorcycles). It is pretty difficult to find a better all-rounder. My other bikes all have something they do better but none are as versatile. So many short term reviews concentrate on things that really don't matter too much after you ride one for a while and then ignore the things that start to become a bigger issue (or not) with long-term ownership. Press reviews, even long-term ones, are never the same as owner reviews so thank you for being different.
This was amazing review. I learned more about the modes than i ever have watching your video (and I own a 2019) i also loved that I am not the only one that tenses up when going on heavy sand or narly off road conditions. That was a great moment when you showed even the great riders have to know their limitations especially when riding alone. Thanks!
Another really good, fair and thorough review. As interesting as this bike is, I prefer the known reliability and huge cost savings I enjoy with my used 27,000 mile 2015 Super Tenere ES. I paid less than $9k with crash bars, tail case, etc. I have ridden it 13,000 miles in 9 months and have enjoyed doing basic maintenance myself. I feel I made the right choice for me. I am curious what tires you have on this bike?
@@happyswissjoe I have had the opportunity to ride a friend's GSA Rallye a couple times, it's a great bike. With the ongoing costs and reliability issues I have witnessed I prefer my Yamaha. To each their own~
Yeah I was on the same boat before pulling the plug on the Super Tenere (I have the 2012 model). My mechanic told "if you wanna visit me regularly go for the GS...if you get the Tenere I will miss you a lot"...I think F9 reviewed it in a very fair way: it does everything you are expecting it to do with ease and lowest maintenance cost yet very boring...I wish Yamaha could invest more in integrated solutions such as a comprehensive dashboard that can be linked to a dedicated gps controllable from the handlebar switches...pretty much the same way BMW does...otherwise when I ask an old rider who did 4 continents on his 250cc bike...he responded saying that today riders are so spoiled that they spend less time riding and more time arguing on brands, accessories, etc...
Hi Todd ,hope you well.I am new rider and plan on purchasing a bike for myself.I am looking at a long distance sports tourer and commuter.Any recommendations (fjr1300 etc). I last rode 12 years ago ,a ZZR 400.Thnx. Gents please feel free to comment and guide.
@@kidronreddy1671 I can only speak from my experience as a really tall guy with very few realistic motorcycle options. My KLR650 was good to find out that I needed a V-strom650 for 2up riding that led me to my present bike, the Super Tenere. The Yamaha best suits my needs, anybody else would have a different experience, I loved all three bikes. The best bike for you is the one you can't stop looking at, riding, and lovingly wrenching on. Not a great answer, but that was my journey. Best wishes, ride safe!
Excellent hands-on review, with all the pros and contras well taken. I did buy the triple black GS last year, though I am a short 5ˋ7 rider. After having dropped the bike my first day out ,i decided to do an Enduro Training session, which immensely boosted my confidence and showed me my limits . There too, i dropped the bike in deep sand but was able to lift it. By the way, the 🆘 did to my embarrassment work. Forgot to shut it. I do love it for touring and country roads and the bike is amazingly nimble once it gains momentum. . Unfortunately, here in Berlin, Germany, there are limited possibilities to go off-road. By the way , i live a few kilometers from the factory where these bikes are put together. Doesn’t make it any cheaper . Thank you for the professional content and presentation. Very fair… Greetings,Jim
This is a terrific style of review or a bike like this. Relevant narration while executing various tracks and in detail on the go. I have been a GSA rider since I got on my first early 90’s airhead 100GS. Snapped that thing up quick, lol. After a run of Harley’s, in 2003 I jumped onto an 1150GSA and love was born, lol. I put 135,000 on that bike (I think it was like 134,500) and it was still running great when I sold it. A little worn out, but still running perfectly. The most important thing to point out for touring folks, I feel, is this. I’ve had a Harley Ultra Classic and Road Glides and can say definitively that the GSA is THE bike for repetitive really long hauls. The Harley touring bikes have a feeling all of their own that simply cannot be replicated and I will never have just one bike in the garage. There will ALWAYS be a Harley ground pounder in the mix. A few actually, lol. But the ergonomics and ride quality soaking up a bazillion bumps perfectly all day long, day after day, make the BMW GS Adventure bikes the king of the road for constant along haul riding. I’m a pretty big dude at 6’2” and 250lbs. I’ve done this sort of riding on my Goldwing, my Ultra Classic, and my BM’dub and the GSA left me generously willing and able to enjoy an evening out after the days ride more often than not. Although ripping the fire roads is just a liberating feeling of freedom, even if the off-road capabilities weren’t ever going to be a reality for someone looking for a touring bike, I would STILL pick the BMW GSA as the best long haul touring bike for me if it was a solo arrangement. No doubt. Yes, the Ultra and the Road Glide are terrific when it comes to roominess when hauling another rider with gear and having that mountain of torque to pull you along like you were connected to a Peterbuilt 379 tractor, lol. But if you are going the along hauls solo, do yourself a favor and grab that GS Adventure as your touring horse buddy. Seriously. Excellent review of the bike my friend!! 👍🏻😎👍🏻
Great review and it's why I bought a used one. It's perfect for my intended use of putting on miles, good road handling and some gravel / easy fire road riding thrown in occasionally.
Easily one of the best reviews I've seen for this bike, and as we all know, there have been a LOT over the years. Great 'real world' information. Thanks, Ian. 👍
You are very fair in your reviews and do them from a very objective point of view. Knowing the suspension short comings of the BMW r nineT Urban GS, I would love to see your review on it and adding your opinion on how much better you think it could be with a suspension upgrade.
It seems that the GS is easier to pick up than the 800 because of the boxer. Having said that 499 lbs is my today limit on weight, because I ride alone. Also, I just can't bring myself to spend that kind of money on a motorcycle. (I only want lightly used if not new). I'll be the guy on the V-Strom buying everyone a drink.
KLX 300R owner, SV650 owner...but looking at this BMW as my third bike purchase ever. Loving the SV but, tired of hunching over kinda. Wanna sit more upright, taller...like I do on my dirtbike.
This has to be one of the most comprehensive and best reviews I have seen to date of the GS and I’ve watched a lot, thank you so much for your time and effort I’ve subscribed immediately, Grtz from Tokyo, Japan !!
Ever drag a cylinder head? I always loved this bike but that is a concern. Is it a reasonable concern? This pushes me toward the Norden 901 but if I bought that, I'd feel like I settled on less than the ideal.
never understood the big fear of simple chain maintenance ? its cheap to replace easy to change gearing and simple as heck to take care of whats the fear about ???? aside from being the most efficient way to transfer power by far
@@BigRockMoto i would wager big that the vast majority of motorcycle travelers (90%?) are like me in that they are not able to go for long enough to require much if any chain maintenance mid trip often if ever before having to go back to work or engage back in your normal life
Your review and comments are spot on! I have a 1200GSA and love the bike. The longest trip I’ve taken in the bike was 7,500 miles up into Canada. However due to my age of 64 and not going off road anymore, I just put a deposit on a new 1250 RT. I just hope I don’t regret giving up the versatility of the GSA. I enjoy watching your videos!
How did you do this summer with your RT? I purchased my ‘22 RT last Spring and enjoyed it all Summer. The ONLY issue I have with it is the rather cramped leg position. Every 2.5 hours I need to get off and stretch my legs. I am thinking of a ‘23 1300 GS when they come out, but will have to determine if the GS is worth it when it is released.
@@illiyakuryakin3092 I went from a GS to an RT and I found the seating position cramped, too. The fix for me was Illium bar risers and peg lowering. I also ordered a seat from Sargent that was 1” taller than stock. Problem solved.
I'm sure after owning this beast for a few years and putting a few miles on it there will eventually be an electronics issue with it..because it's mostly electronically controlled and so complex and hence expensive to repair..Simpler is better for me..a machine I can fix myself.
@@gbner9991 I'm an Avionics Aeronautical Engineer..My work for the last 35 years involves MOSTLY economic replacement not repair of VERY EXPENSIVE Airplane instrumentation..so I know that in time with alot of use and high frequency harmonic vibration electronics WILL FAIL eventually...and a bike or car are prone to MORE vibration than any Commercial Airliner.
I'm a new subscriber and I wanted to say that I really appreciate your down-to-earth, concise and no-nonsense reviewing style in contrast to some other channels which seem to value high-strung testosterone-infused A.D.D. friendly production pieces sponsered by Monster energy drinks full of rock music and quick cuts all while lacking any actual good useful information. Thanks for not giving me a headache.
Agree and the point he made that 2% of riders are truly skilled enough to take it on technical trails makes total sense to me. Kudos for those who can do it but that's not most of us. Let's keep it real.
You have an option to take whatever bike you want to Colorado.. You can trailer a bike or ride one.. You must do Black Bear Pass and a few other not so easy mountain trails while there.. You will video the trails and area there.. What option will you take? You have a week or 10 days. What bike? Trailer or ride? 😁
@@BigRockMoto so you think it can do either... No need for a Honda CRF300L and trailer.. Or a KTM690 and trailer.. Go with the Norden and tackle anything...👍 If you could go to do that area and pull it off... Would be epic for sure. It's a big trip for sure and you may not have the time.. But to be the 1st on a Norden 901 to do Black Bear Pass would be a big feat. 😂 Not sure if you have similar trips closer to you. .. Phone keeps changing my Black bear pass to big bear pass 😁
Great review. I liked the explanation of the riding modes and the emphasis on “little ‘a’, big ‘T’” - that is how I would be using it. Look forward to the accessories video. Do you have the dealer do the scheduled major maintenance intervals with your own extra oil changes thrown in - do they do it all - do you do it all? Without the GS-911 tool it seems that service reminder on the TFT would be annoying.
To me, the most remarkable thing about my 1250 gs is how light it feels. I've owned quite a few bikes. Everything from old standard bikes from the 80s, cruisers, hyper naked, true sports bikes, and a lot of others. Before buying the GS I owned a Versys 1,000 (and a cbr 1,000) The difference in the feel is night and day. The GS is almost the exact same weight as the versys was. With all the protection and bags I've added, it's probably 50lb heavier. However, the GS feels like it's a 500cc bike ONCE ITS MOVING. If anything, I almost feel like it's too easy to change directions. It feels a bit nervous in the corners. The Versys was FAR from ideal, but it did feel very planted in a corner. The GS doesn't like to hold a line. It wants to go in too much, then you need to pull in back out a hair. That's my experience anyways. Though I do not own the GS adventure, just the standard model.
This is a GREAT review. I bought my 1200 GSA in 2013. I was gung ho to rip up the mountains. That was about the time that the adventure category was exploding. I rode pretty hard for the first few years. Then I came to the same conclusions you did in this vid. If you’re riding alone, then this is an AMAZING bike for road touring with the option of taking some moderate off road detours. But it’s NOT the bike for real adventure touring unless you’re that 1% or you ride with a group and have very deep pockets for expensive repairs. It’s so great to see the sweet mid displacement bikes starting to arrive on the market. IMHO, those ARE adventure bikes! I wish this review was available 10 years ago. But I have no regrets. I only have one bike. If I had a quiver, then my GS would still be there alongside something like the T7 or new Husky. Thanks for the great work here.
Greetings from Australia, and thanks for an excellent review. Towards the end i noticed you carefully kept the KTM 1290 SAR out of the conversation. It's probably one of the most relevant competitors. I am 72 and previously rode a KTM 640 Adventure for 40000kms. I had such a good run and adventures with it. I also have a 08 Honda Fireblade 1000rr which I love for road. With the country's deteriorating roads i wanted something that would fit multiple requirements so i chose to go the KTM 1290 sar and love its all-around capabilities. My younger brother is a die-hard BMW devotee with a 07 GS and a boxer cup 1100. I have lost count of the time the words " Tele lever".are used in conversation. we have some interesting debates, he is a bigger daredevil and faster rider than me. I say he is a bigger risk taker. When we ride together, there is always a bit of upping the ante. Lots of fun. But it's whatever floats your boat. As long as it has two wheels. Cheers.
Undoubtedly an excellent machine, but too expensive for most and quickly becomes too heavy. Really an excellent paved road, forestry trunk road type bike. The drive shaft issue is disappointing for a bike this advanced.
Here is a brutally honest 1250 review: hilariously oversized and overweight which gets even worse with all the crap installed on these bikes. Outdated engine with cam-shift technology lifted from japanese motorcycles in the 1980s. The onboard computer always nags you about tire pressure, a random error or some kind of untimely service. Little to zero suspension feedback until something goes wrong. Lacks character, kinda boring to ride. On the bright side, it's a perfect old people's bike - until it falls over.
Ian, you always do a great job with your videos and reviews, but you have outdone yourself with this comprehensive review of your GS. I had a 1995 R1100GS, it was truly a jack of all trades. That GS was a phenomenal “sport touring” bike. I wish I still had that GS. I just can’t afford a new GS anymore. I’ll keep buying lottery tickets and get a new GS if I win. Thanks again for sharing with us.
30:30 Most important part of video. Jeeze, I can relate to that feeling. I don't think many people have considered the conundrum of getting the bike stuck on the trail. That feeling of being trapped is a horrible feeling, and to know that you have 600 pounds that can't be turned around on the small trail, is really scary! Your advice has made me reconsider the idea of purchasing one of the big bore ADV bikes.
The final drive issues are due to not maintaining their motorcycle. Period. You have to take it apart and lube it. Really, most of what this guy said is fine. When he tries to tell people what their skill level is and how they are going to feel- he’s really talking about himself. Keep that in mind if specially in the off road segment. If you put in the effort to skill up you can do what these reviewers say you shouldn’t or can’t. If you don’t skip leg day at the gym and learn how to pick it up properly the weight isn’t the issue these guys make it out to be, honestly, it’s not. The GSA does not fall flat on the ground, you are lifting about 250 lbs, not 600+.
A pretty accurate summation Ian from my experience. I have a few sportbike riding friends that went to a GS for its comfort and road handling with some occational forest and country dirt roads for variety. They love them.
What do I do if I get myself in a difficult situation and it goes off the trail? I press the SOS button on my Garmin Montana and thank god, or myself rather, I have the rescue insurance. But yeah, could be a nightmare.
Great review Ian...this is my 2nd GSA...I have the 2021 Rallye and am 15lbs lighter after cancer which is making challenging offroad really uncomfortable being very fit prior...I too have reserved myself to service roads.I find after a few adventure riding courses...getting your weight forward and knees hugging the tank will keep you from pulling on the handlebars offroad.On point the comment about the handlebar switches at night. Best review yet...good work Ian.
👍OK... YES - I know I was in the fast lane and getting passed. I was already speeding. Also, I needed to be in the left lane so there was less cross traffic so I could narrate the video and not get killed. I don't hang out there normally at those speeds. Making movies is different from normal riding! Thanks . Check out my other GS videos in the description.
Everyone on YT is an armchair expert on motorcycle safety. Don't pay attention to these trolls. Great work on this review! I'll have to check your other videos.
@@recklessrickey9513 The freeway section is by Desert Hills and Cabazon outlet in Riverside county. The twisties I'm guessing is from Beaumont going to Idyllwild.
@@BorisOnWheels What?? So please explain how its ok to sit in the fast lane while being overtaken up the inside. Try that in Europe or Australia. He know he was wrong doing it so dont bother trying to say its not a safety issue.
Oh totally. I also sit in the passing lane on my phone for safety so I don’t have cars passing on both sides since I need to pay attention to my conversation. I appreciate your review but claiming it’s safer to illegally force others to pass on the right is unsafe and paints bikers with a poor brush. Please represent better.
Yes! I switched from an RT to a GSA because I have lots of friends who live on ranches and I wanted the somewhat longer legs...if I'd known how good the GS was at touring in the first place I would have had the RT, great bike though it was. For me the GS is a true do everything (that I do) bike, if you have the means I highly recommend it.
Great conclusion. I had an 800GS and I got rid of it because I got tired of paying crazy money for servicing. I'd love to have a 1200GS, but only for road touring!
Great video. IMO BMW has built a bike for the type of riding 99% of buyers will actually do with it. As for the Goldwing comparison. While I haven't rode a Goldwing I think a lot of people are buying them for passenger comfort. And while I'm sure a GS can handle a passenger just fine lets face it. Here in the US a LOT of those passengers will be, lets just say overweight. I can't imagine a overweight couple trying to board a big tall adv bike. Just walk threw Walmart and imagine the people your seeing trying to climb on the back of that GS. Easier to buy a large, low touring bike than put the wife on a diet!
I mean lets be honest. Do to age, physical fitness, etc a lot of passengers won't be joining their partners if they feel like they have to be a gymnast to get on the bike. And a lot more may do it once or twice then choose to opt out. Way different than your partner looking forward to hopping on a touring bike and spending a weekend in Tahoe or going to lunch in the mountains. And most people who have the financial means and freedom to buy a 25k bike and go touring aren't in their 20's and at peak fitness.
I bought a 1250 GSA on January 17, and now have over 4k miles on it. While most of the miles have been street miles, I’m making it a point to ride trails and dirt as much as possible. Because this bike is so capable as a tourer, I’m selling my Goldwing DCT. Because this bike is so much fun, I leave my 911 Targa 4S in the garage more than I want. My only complaint is the switch gear. The buttons are cramped, and the wheel on the left handlebar requires too much attention to use while riding. When turning off the cruise control at highway speed (75+mph) the bike’s compression slows the bike as if you have the brake on. There are other bikes that I’ve ridden and liked, but I have no regrets about buying this bike, and I look forward to riding it more.
As a bike rider of 55 years I have my share of bikes 30 some on memory count with a Suzuki tls from new a 93 fire blade and my amazing gs1200 2016 got to say what a bike we tour we go for early morning blasts copes with all. But when people say it’s got limits off road 🤗🤗 it’s a all rounder and most will never see dirt but to know it can go off road is a good thing. Bit like my Range Rover never intend to go off road like 99% of them but a very capable all rounder
Good description… a Range Rover… yea, it can do crazy things… but do you really want to do that to a $30,000 bike or $80,000 SUV? I would get a used $5000 bike that I don’t mind dropping.
To me, Adv Touring bikes are what the GS is: Good for touring on paved and dirt/gravel roads. It's not a trail bike. I use my R1200GS with 90/10 tires (conti trail attack 3s) to mainly tour on pavement with some easy gravel roads thrown in. If I'm thinking of less touring and more dirt, I have a 790 adv R for that. For the really rougher stuff I have a WR250R that I'll trailer and ride as a day rider. I'm leaving for Florida this week and I'll be on the GS. There for no doubt in my mind on which bike I was planning to take on this trip. This is my 4th GS.
Man, it's a toss-up between the Africa Twin and this bike for me. After having owned a (used) BMW 325, and having dealt with all of the BMW dealer fees for maintenance and inspection costs, I just vowed never to own a BMW again. Even used, BMW's are a rich-man's car. That said, they are incredible machines!
@@byever1 For me it's more about reliability. I'm not rich, and I don't care about buying a new bike every year or two. I'd rather pay the price for quality, once, and have it last me most of my life, through proper care. So even if the Africa Twin had shaft drive, I'd probably be leaning that direction.
Outstanding review.Just a note on the Drive Shaft.On the 1K 1st service make the guys open the Drive Shaft and make sure it is greased properly and thereafter every 10k service.You will find it will last a life time unless you do a lot of water crossngs then check it more often.Thanks.
@@Hogdriver88 Check front and back to start off so you know your starting point is good.Then you will get a sence of its state when you open it next.The shaft is not greased well from the factory in my experience.
I’ve had many bikes but ever since ‘09 only a GSA (first an ‘09 and now on a ‘15). Best bike for everything, except, as you say, harder trails especially if alone. But this, and some steering feel, are well worth the sacrifice for everything else that comes with it.
Best honest review I’ve seen of the very best overall bike in the world. Nothing better than starting an early morning ride on a GSA, with the early sun peeking over the distant hills… just absolute heaven.
Ive completed the NMBDR and the AZBDR...doing the COBDR this summer....I have done it on my F800gs and that is plenty big (almost to big), cant imagine doing that on a huge bike like the 1250. Its just TO BIG...the fun of off-road riding is having a nimble bike and getting through technical terrain. With all the options for touring bikes this looks like the best, but I wouldnt even consider it if you are going to do more than 5% of off road riding. thats my 2 cents.
I agree. Especially with the almost 8 gallon tank on this. It is huge! I think I would want a much smaller made for dirt bike if I was going to ride technical stuff.
I have been a cruiser rider all my life and seriously considering moving on to an Adventure bike like the R1250GS. I would like to hear from anyone who had a similar experience and how was it. Thanks
I haven't owned a cruiser but i rented one last year ( ruclips.net/video/JoDN8nip9nk/видео.html ) , the cruiser was lots of fun and they look really cool but for the big trips i always want to be on the GS.
At 32:00 you just need to lean the bike over, then spin the wheel around until you do a 180 degree. Remember to look in the direction where you are going. I know the Big Rock guy can do this, but this is more for other viewers reading this and maybe thinking that the GS is hard to turn in situations like that.
Being mostly a street rider, I've always thought "bigger is better," until I started riding trails. I recently upgraded from Yamaha 250XT to BMW F800GS, and I kind of regret it. Don't get me wrong, F800GS is an amazing bike and does great on highways and light dirt, but just like you described it - you naturally tense up, both mentally and physically, when the trail becomes a bit more challenging, and you don't know what's ahead. For years I always dreamed about having a 1200GS, but now that I experienced F800, I think even F650 is plenty when it comes to trail riding. I still might get 1250GS one day, but it will likely be for street touring. Being 6'1, I love the more upright seating position compared my K1600GT.
I would encourage you to think about a 1250gs or KTM 890 ADV R. Those mid weights you mentioned carry the weight much higher. The main appeal with the GS is the super low center of gravity along with the 890S/R. This low center of gravity makes the GS and KTM 890 stand out as really damn capable off road machines. I would argue the 1250gs is better off road than an 850.
Absolutely fantastic review 👏❤. Best detailed review on RUclips I am from India. My height is 6.4 , I own ktm adventure 390 got one due to the budget constraints. It costs only 4863 US dollars here in India. Did lot of mods to make this bike more versatile offroad & on road. Practically I feel more confident taking my bike off road due to the light weight of adventure 390. I am happy with my purchase 😊👍
Thanks for the complete video. I’m wondering….if you were going to do a lot of long distance touring, some city riding and virtually no off road, considering range, luggage, and comfort, given only these two choices, would you choose a GSA or a Goldwing?
I have to chuckle at the heated grips and heated seats….total gimmicks.. If it’s that cold outside you suit up.. meaning gloves and pants…. Which are thick by nature negating nearly all heat transfer from the grips/seat to your flesh…
I agree, heated grips are a SCAM.....sold to people that don't understand thermodynamics 101.........the outside of your hands are Still freezing cold......LOL....waste of money.
Nice video. I enjoyed it. Your helmet visor looks sweet! I'm also a sucker for the beauty of desert terrain and blue skies. Love your videos. I have the F700GS. It's a great bike for most of the same reasons you mentioned. Smooth, reliable engine; great on the highway; and best-in-class brakes. Mine is 2013 so no riding modes and much less torque-but I'm okay with the middle-weights. I had a 1200 once that was relaxed and happiest at 85mph, but I don't really like driving that fast. I prefer state and county highways as opposed to the interstate. I find the interstate boring and of course, has more wind noise. It's only good for making time. Cons of the 1250 includes the massive weight off-road and the eye-popping price tag. The sandy terrain would scare me on a heavy bike. I have a lot of experience riding in sand, but on lighter dirt bikes. Riding on sand with a big ADV bike is a different ballgame.
Greetings from Germany - superb review - I owned a Goldwing DCT as well as a Multistrada and changed this season to a GSA for exactly the reasons you mentioned in your verdict - Comfy speed touring with some off-road capabilities - for me the sweet spot albeit I miss some excitement on the visual front … keep on riding safely and good vibes from Germany - looking forward to a great new season - best wishes to all …
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I’ve (we’ve) been riding our 2010 GSA here in Western Australia for almost all of its lifetime . I want to commend you for an accurate, realistic and comprehensive review. As I’m sure you appreciate, what makes your reviews substantial is the commentary....not just mildly interesting video. The concepts you focussed on in the review were entirely appropriate.....but I’d like to add a word that I think is key to the review....VERSATILITY. We use our bike on tarmac highway, paved backroads, gravel roads, easy dirt roads. We’ve done camping trips towing a trailer, long highway trips and everything in between..... but we don’t do ‘technical’. This is without doubt the most versatile motorcycle I have ever ridden. Love that BMW!
well said!
Have to agree. I own this exact bike and after having garages full of Harleys, crotch rockets, dirt bikes and ATVs…she does it all. Bikes are like boats…not one will do everything but if you find one that does a little of everything is priceless
I have a 2010 too. I have ridden it for three years now. Of course there are improvements on later models but the fact is that you get an awful lot for your money if you buy a second hand 1200 GS in good shape. It is an amazingly good bike!
Absolutely spot on. This is by far the most versatile bike I have ever owned. Yes it is big and heavy and yes, I don’t due super technical on it, but other than that, it can do just about everything I need. Well balanced review!!
I'm riding GSA 1200 K25 and I am with you on this one. Owned many bike but he is the best for me. I'm also 6'5 and 106kg so it's a perfect bike for me
When people pass you on the right, your going too slow in the fast lane.
slower. traffic. keep. right.
I noticed you camped in the left lane on the highway as others have to pass you on the right. Why do you do this?. I canl’t emphasize just how annoying this is when you and those like you do this. SLOWER TRAFFIC USE RIGHT LANE. I totally disagree with your reasoning being it was a filming technicality. All it does is make you look bad and if you’re in cruise control with all those lanes empty on your right your reasoning doesn’t stand up.
True, he needs to leave the lane clear for aggressive speeding bullies.
Took my GS loaded with luggage down the Pinkham Jeep trail in Joshua Tree yesterday. Worked great until I hit the foot deep sandy gravel. There was no way to go fast enough to float the front & if you did it would try to climb out of the tire ruts & tip over. Finally I got it stuck to the center stand. Luckily for me 2 dirt bikers came along and helped me push it out & turn the big girl around. Who ever you guys are, thanks a million. I at least owe you a dinner & beer. Suffice to say I found the bikes & my limits. Open sand with room for speed would work, but add wheel ruts & no way. I did at least 6 GS dead lifts. Sadly the showroom shine is no more.
wow, good story. i will avoid that trail!
@@BigRockMoto Bit of a lesson on riding alone. (That we all know of course.)
Will you try the new Tiger 1200? Just to hear the differences with this One!
Agreed, and the ktm 1290s
I was going ask the same question. The new Tiger looks very competitive against the GS/GSA bikes. Not sure how Triumph stacks up as far as dealer experience or community that BMW seems to have developed.
yes
@@BigRockMoto I'm really curious how the new tiger 1200 rally explorer compares to this! I'm wanting to buy one this year... GSA or Tiger????
@@Christopher-yh5lh get the GS because how many Triumph dealers are available?
If you're being passed on the right, (like you are numerous times) get the fuck over! As a So Cal bike rider you are the problem if you are going slower, no matter what the speed of traffic, in the fast lane (#1 lane).
Good Video. While you touched on the subject of reliability what I find astonishing is how unreliable premium bikes are as compared with the cheaper Japanese bikes. In any comparison I've read Yamaha, Honda, Kawasaki and Suzuki occupy to top four slots for reliability while BMW, KTM and Ducati come way down the list so essentially you are paying a lot more money for a less reliable bike that you have to pay a lot more money to repair more often. I think that the mad dash to bolt more and more electronics onto a bike has now passed the the point where it contributed to reliability and safely, and now has got to a point where it's just more to go wrong especially on an adventure bike.
a XR650L could do the job too....but why wear a Casio when you can wear a Rolex? And I don't mean to show off...Rolex/BMW needs more maintenance but it gives back so much more than a Casio. I hope one day you will get it.
I had a R1200R and at 58.000km the fuel pump fell apart. The same problem was already seen in 1990 BMW. models. So think the unreliability is built in. I went back to Yamaha....
@@happyswissjoe funny. I appreciate a Rolex but sending it to Switzerland every few years for an expensive service, not so much. My day to day watch is a Casio. Guess that’s why Im riding a Honda Africa Twin and not a Ducati Multistrada V4s with radar.
@@happyswissjoe It comes down to personal choice at the end of the day, there's no right or wrong answer. Personally I value reliability, and having the bike available when I want to use it rather than in a garage being fixed or stranded at the side of a road. Plus of course nobody will mug you for a Casio.
Currently I ride a Kawasaki concourse 1400. I had a GS . The Japanese bikes are just easy, peasy lemon sqeezy. Just maintain & enjoy. My next bike would be the AT DCT, hopefully it will be a 1250 engine with at least 125 bhp.
Seeing a review after long term use makes all the difference. I really appreciated your honest advice about the technical off-road use of this, or any, heavy bike. I tend to go off by myself a lot and that's important caution for me. Sounds to me like you'll always have at least one Beemer in your stable!
Stable? I keep my horse in a stable....
My pleasure!
What about the seat height, the skinny foot pegs, and missing sound system? Touring requires better amenities in all these areas and more. I like the GS but I can only afford one bike so I need a tourer.
Really good reviews.
Now I am really convince to trade my R18 to GS because of versatility. Well taught 👏.
Good job 👍🏻
@@charleschilders6388 Easy fixes - get a pair (out of bazillions of choices) of wider foot pegs to your liking (me, I'm a fan and lover of the Pivot Pegz MK4's - nice and wide AND pivot foot position when needed) and even better choices for in-helmet sound systems without all of the extra road/bike/traffic noise! Go Cardo Edge!
I own a 2010 R1200R. Always serviced by official garage BMW Meeusen Wijnegem Belgium. The last 2 years I will remember because of very unreliable service, like, bike returning back for the same problem several times in a row. Brakes not working properly, wrong diagnosis of paralever front ball head suspension, they 'forgot' to ever change the fuel/water filter (+12y maintenance!), missing and broken bolts and nuts after maintenance,... 😞 NOT a good representation of a BMW dealership and customer support.
For those of you who like wrenching on your bikes, this might not the bike for you. I remember reading that BMW does not sell shop manuals for the new(er) models anymore. This is a complex bike and you will not be able to perform repairs w/o proper information. Unfortunately BMW seems to have turned against the right to repair.
But chances are that, if you have the money for such an expensive bike, you won't mind their overpriced repair/accessory bills.
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Love your videos Ian, but Dude! That is the passing lane NOT a “fast lane”, people that travel in the left lane cause huge traffic flow problems. Unless California is different, keep right except to pass. I do love your videos just some constructive criticism. Take care.
If you are getting passed on the right you are in the wrong lane.
Thank you, that bugged the crap out of me
Yes that’s how it is here in Belgium as well: traffic regulations require you to stay in the right-most lane unless you’re overtaking.
I tend to move to the left-most lane (for my own safety) when there’s an insertion lane (is that the right word?) on the right, since that causes a lot of the cars/lorries to change lanes - sometimes suddenly.
In California folks drive however they want without regard to laws, safety or courtesy to other drivers. Ian’s 76 mph in a 65 mph fast-lane is hardly a sin. In a 4-wheeled vehicle on a 65 mph freeway, i like to drive at 80 mph, most drive under 85 mph, so not a big deal. Lol.
See my pinned comment. I needed to be there for filming reasons. Obviously I would not ride like that normally./
When the reviewer's damn honest and level-headed you want him to review everything in life for you!
After watching this very through review, a light illuminated in my cranium! I just completed the CDR on a Kawasaki KLR 650. I encountered several GS1200's and typically the riders were older than me. I'm 59. On one particular occasion I was following two late model GS1200's on a very long stretch of Wyoming dual-track desert type terrain and these guys were "getting after it!" I kept up for about 30 miles but continued to fall- back heading into the small desert town of Atlantic City Wyoming.
To my surprise both men were waiting for me with bikes parked and helmets off.
When I arrived they were amazed at my ability to "keep-up?"
After a few conciliatory pats on the back they departed and I was left to lick my wounds of defeat by two older men, (late 60's) and wonder why my skill set was so lacking?
Besides the simple engine displacement disparity the technology on those bikes, for that particular scenario was superior! I was envious!
However, in a later section of the CDR, Idaho, one of these guys was down on the side of the road with a broken collar bone.
Just as you described the fellow washed out the front end on what I'd describe as an innocuous rut. What you described as a lack of positive feedback through the front end was EXACTLY what he said he encountered!
Your reviews are exceptional! Thanks Ian!
By the way your review on the 2022 KLR convinced me to purchase one. 5600 miles of on road, off road, all weather and the motorcycle was bullet proof. You helped me realize a dream I've had for 40 years! Salute!😊
Honestly. I see all these driver modes as a crotch. If you remove all the driving modes, those old guys wouldn’t drive as fast. Take all the driver modes of and they will drive with a 1/3 off the speed they are usual running.
Remove all the driver modes and learn with out.
@@Mr450proYou mean crutch, not “Crotch”. Lol.
Too many cars passing on the right...(unless you're recording in a UK territory) So - which is better? 1 BMW 1250GS ($26K) or 2 Husqvarna Norden 901s (@ $13K ea)?
Hahah--exactly, my man! Or maybe a WRX car.
Ian, great review and you sum up a lot of my feelings and issues. I have a 2014 GSA that suffered a rusty frame and subframe at 3 1/2 years and barely 4,000 miles. Eventually they were replaced under “goodwill” but not before a dreadful bodge job and a bike returned in a dangerous condition (3 of 4 engine bolts loose) and other parts damaged of badly installed. They refused to consider the poor paint on the rear drive making excuses about water based paint. I would sum up as great sales experience, poor at dealing with quality issues, the head office here in the UK promises plenty and delivers nothing. I like the GSA but not the build quality or BMW’s response to it. Last but not least is the exhaust flap valve, a known weak point on the pre LC bikes. On that series at least easily replaced. On then LC bikes all part of the header and cat assembly. I was quoted £1,800 ($2,500)! I bought a second hand on on ebay for £200 and fitted it myself. Despite my extended warranty it’s not covered. Surprise. I’m going for an Africa Twin 1100 DCT ES after a long time away from Honda. As the song goes, things can only get better…… Keep up the great work. Cheers, Ian
the joke is that BMW actually means "Bring My Wallet".
You have put only 4k miles on a 2014 GSA?
Thanks for sharing, sorry about the issues. Honda, you won't regret it!
@@lovelessissimo that explains a lot
@@wrangler10 what does that explain? I guess I’m missing it
Very good review of your 1250GSA...one of the other comments here mention comparing the Super Tenere 1200 to the GS/GSA. I think the Super Tenere checks all the same boxes as the BMW, but I and many others value your opinion and would like to see a comparison video. Is the BMW worth 10K more than the Super10...I don't think so. Thanks again for all your great videos.
Hey Ian, as usual excellent review, still would like a review of a Super Tenere and compared with a bmw the price is the deciding factor for me. I ride a fjr a d love it but i am planning a long adventure ride in 2023 and would like to buy a super tenere since i trust Yamaha explicitly.... looking forward to that one...
Noted!
This is without a doubt the BEST R1250GSA review I have seen to date! I pickup my 2022 R1250GSA on Wednesday and have been looking for a video just like this to enjoy as I impatiently wait. I’ve watched many of your other videos and appreciate you putting so much time and energy in to each and every one.
This video though is just perfect!
thanks
Ian, I have watched you for some time now and have really come to appreciate your ability to give honest reviews and other info that riders need to know about.
thanks
Agreed Ian is the king of reviews .
Really good review.
I have done the demo and like the GS but after a lot of thought I'm on the fence with the asking price. I rode my 1000XT from South Florida to Tennessee last year and can't help but think $12K gave me the same experience $25K would. This Suzuki seems bulletproof for those that have traded is it really worth the extra cash?
I owned a 2016 V Strom 1000 and have ridden the 1200 and 1250 a fair bit. The V Strom is a good bike, and I imagine that the XT is even better.
The GS is really, really good. The 1250 is a genuinely quick bike and the handling is superb. The V Strom was an easy bike to ride but the GS is absolutely effortless. It’s twice the price of the V Strom. It’s not twice the bike, but it isn’t far off.
I have a $10k used Africa Twin that I like alot, how much better would a $25k new GSA be? Maybe 10 or 15% better. But GSA would still take me to the same places. Sounds like your in the same place.
Still have my VSTROM 1000 2002 model. Have it 14 years. Total cost around 8 to 9 thousands. Never opened the motor still playing with BMW gs on the street.
Used, low mile GSAs are available for $15k. That's the way to go. The GSA NOT worth $25-27k.
I would suggest a used GS/GSA. You can get those for 15-20k depending on year, model, condition and mileage. Those are well worth the value and the owners have taken the light deprecation hit. GS bikes hold their value very well and for good reason. My 2018 GSA Rallye with 18k miles retails for about 18-18.5k in the used market currently. Most other bikes with that mileage and year age would depreciate much more, including that Suzuki you mentioned. If you can save a few extra grand more, get a used GS/GSA. You will not regret it for 85-90 percent of the riding you do. I do technical stuff so it’s a challenge, but that’s the one area it struggles. It does everything else VERY WELL. If I could only have one bike, it would be a GS/GSA.
Fantastic review, as a GSA owner for the last 5 years all the points Ian talked about were spot on !!! And for some of us more into heavy off roading the GSA it’s completely capable but I highly recommend to take a class for off-roading designed for large bikes and most of all… don’t be afraid dropping the motorcycle - it will be ok, it’s amazing how much punishment they can endure just make sure you are a bit fit, as Ian mentioned the bike it’s heavy so be prepared and enjoy off-roading .
Off roading is physical hard
any shaft drive issues as mentioned in this video?
Great up load but not being very wealthy and wanting to buy a second hand bike I find it hard to get the right information as most reviews are on new bikes ??? how cool would it be to review a bike with lets say 50K on the clock and to point out what to look for ?? Whilst I do understand new bikes being reviewed I would say 70/80 % of bikers are buying used machines ?? Anyway still a good up load ..
I, like you had felt the same discomfort when taking DL1000 on technical trails. It could do it, but you can get yourself into a situation where your alone, and it would be very difficult to pick the bike up if you're in an awkward position. Other than that, it was an excellent touring bike. I'm with you, get on a lighter bike for more difficult off road trails. The KTM 890R comes to mind.
sadly people are falling for the "scam" of adventure bikes......Too damn heavy to go beyond dirt trails. It's incredibly easy to hit the limit of these bikes off-road, Drop it......now you're fucked.....because you never end up dropping a bike on a flat surface, it's always at a bad Angle....incredibly hard to pick up, even with crash bars.
I have a 2008 GSA. Bought it new. My 3rd BMW (2 air heads prior). The air heads were the most reliable bikes I have ever owned. The GSA is the least. Constant fiddly problems - mainly with fuel system. I bought a T7.
This was the exact review I was looking for, so thank you! It's taken me owning 4 Adventure touring bikes to realize I really need an adventure Touring bike. 500miles a day on a drz400 is possible, but not easy to do back to back to back.
I'm going to go pick up some aluminum cans every weekend for the next 5 years until I can afford this bike.
Where are you from? Seems like these motorcycles are expensive in the countries they are manufactured in..??
Fantastic review and I really appreciate it.
The GSA is hands down my favorite motorcycle out there. Nothing compares to the all around capability of the motorcycle.
The biggest issue is the price tag and it's the only reason that would prevent me from getting too aggressive on off road because who wants to risk dropping such an expensive bike?
Just love the bike.
Agree the price and main dealer servicing costs
KTM is close ?
@@AshHallsDepends on what you want. If you love torque in low rews, shaft drive and telelever, KTM is far away from being yours.
I had a 1100GS back in 97 and loved it. The telelever suspension gave me a lot more confidence for higher speed twisty riding with its ability to alow you to brake hard in a corner if needed. That had no ajustable ride modes, so there was less to go wrong electronically. After 100 thousand miles the only problem was I had to replace the front main seal after it started weeping. I no longer ride as I had my left leg amputated, but if I did I would choose another GS. GREAT BIKE
Wow -- that escalated quickly!
James, if you want to ride again, you might be able to ride a Honda Africa Twin with DCT, no gear changes with the left foot?
If I were you James, I’d check out one of those Can-Am Spiders. You can get them used for a pretty decent price now that they’ve been out for a good while. It’s a reverse trike design, so you get the motorcycle feel, but don’t have to worry about tipping over.
Damn sorry to read about your leg. You might like to get one of those three wheeled bikes to feed your passion. Take care.
Hey James, my uncle lost his left leg and now rides a 300 vespa with the changes in the handle. Also Honda has DTS. I hope you get back in the saddle one of this days.
Great review and spot on in relation to the off road limitations (for most riders). Another point when comparing it to road tourers is that it has longer leg room plus the ability to stand and stretch out! A major plus - particularly in hot riding conditions 2 up.
Well done Ian! Another detailed, thorough and honest review. I’m on my 4th generation GS and they keep getting better. It’s the perfect bike for me as 80% of my riding is on the street/sport touring and the rest light off road. Long live the OG Adventure bike. #BMW #GSA
Thanks for sharing
Check out the Multistrada 1260 and then complain about prices... currently I ended up with a 901 Norden. Not cheap, but cheaper and easier off-road.
For the price the bike sells it sure it has everything. There are cars in 2022 that dont have this technology in them. The GS is another prime example of finest German engineering. Too heavy for hard off-roading, but for the road it sure its king.
Would love to hear some discussion on the Super Tenere from you. Not sure the price difference in the two, but I understand it to be a more reliable, simpler, and significantly more affordable alternative to the 1250. Theres no doubt that the BMW is an engineering marvel, but heavy on the electronics and software side. If the Super Ten is thousands less and will last significantly longer ( a la longhaulpaul), would be nice to see if it’s almost as good from a riding perspective. Or, if the value proposition for both are roughly equivalent. Brilliant work Ian
Ian nailed it on the review. I have a Super Tenere and bought that over the BMW for a number of reasons...I found the boxer engine shaky, like it was uneven firing on the cylinders, I couldn't get comfortable with the engine sticking out as my feet were either stuck down or above the heads like I was giving birth. It is literally twice the price of the S10 and same with the accessories. The shaft drive had me worried, a warrantee does you no good when you are in the middle of the mountains with nothing around and it breaks down, plus the cost for regular maintenance was extremely high. That being said the Super Tenere comes up short of the BMW in a number of areas, it is very much an older style with no updates for quite some time, not a lot of electronics on it, suspension is average at best, wind protection is less than the BMW. With all that in mind I am glad that I went with the Super Tenere, reliability was very important to me, I knew I would be dropping the bike a number of times and did not want expensive repair bills and for about $1500 more than the original price I had a dam fine bike that fits me well.
+1 for hearing more from Ian about he Super Tenere. Thanks for mentioning it.
Yamaha never writes me back. Have asked for an ST many times for review
Going on a Single track with this one is like shooting a sparrow with a cannon
Nice review. Side point: Here in my state it is a big fine to camp in the fast lane unless it is marked as HOV. The far left lane is used for passing only similar to like the autobahn in Germany.
Heh. I wanted to shout at him to move over. It's one thing to not go over the limit yourself, but you don't need to act as a pace vehicle for everyone else. If they want to speed and get a ticket, that's on them. Stay out of the passing lane. :)
Hey, thanks for a wonderful evaluation of the BMW 1250 GS. I couldn't have asked for more. Your evaluation was perfect. The pros and cons were on point . Yes, this is a magnificant mortorcycle all around , but it has it''s limitations. You pointed out it's strengths and weaknesses in an exacting manor. Perfect and clearly understood. The GS is a wonderful motorcycle , but not perfect. It does do everything it's designed for in an excellent manor, but it does have it's limitations. All in all a fantastic motorcycle that performs the duties of a few bikes rolled into one. It cannot be smaller or lighter and be a GS. Those are the facts, but if you were to buy a smaller lighter bike than the GS with it's numerous attributes, you would be loosing out in many areas that the GS covers nicely. All in all, one bike cannot do it all, but, the closest thing to that is a BMW, GS , in my humble opinion.
Excellent review. I have a 2018 GSA (and several other motorcycles). It is pretty difficult to find a better all-rounder. My other bikes all have something they do better but none are as versatile. So many short term reviews concentrate on things that really don't matter too much after you ride one for a while and then ignore the things that start to become a bigger issue (or not) with long-term ownership. Press reviews, even long-term ones, are never the same as owner reviews so thank you for being different.
This was amazing review. I learned more about the modes than i ever have watching your video (and I own a 2019) i also loved that I am not the only one that tenses up when going on heavy sand or narly off road conditions. That was a great moment when you showed even the great riders have to know their limitations especially when riding alone. Thanks!
Another really good, fair and thorough review. As interesting as this bike is, I prefer the known reliability and huge cost savings I enjoy with my used 27,000 mile 2015 Super Tenere ES. I paid less than $9k with crash bars, tail case, etc. I have ridden it 13,000 miles in 9 months and have enjoyed doing basic maintenance myself. I feel I made the right choice for me.
I am curious what tires you have on this bike?
Dear sir, once you OWN a GS/A you will never go back to the Tenere or any other bikes. It's a curse. Good curse.
@@happyswissjoe I have had the opportunity to ride a friend's GSA Rallye a couple times, it's a great bike. With the ongoing costs and reliability issues I have witnessed I prefer my Yamaha. To each their own~
Yeah I was on the same boat before pulling the plug on the Super Tenere (I have the 2012 model). My mechanic told "if you wanna visit me regularly go for the GS...if you get the Tenere I will miss you a lot"...I think F9 reviewed it in a very fair way: it does everything you are expecting it to do with ease and lowest maintenance cost yet very boring...I wish Yamaha could invest more in integrated solutions such as a comprehensive dashboard that can be linked to a dedicated gps controllable from the handlebar switches...pretty much the same way BMW does...otherwise when I ask an old rider who did 4 continents on his 250cc bike...he responded saying that today riders are so spoiled that they spend less time riding and more time arguing on brands, accessories, etc...
Hi Todd ,hope you well.I am new rider and plan on purchasing a bike for myself.I am looking at a long distance sports tourer and commuter.Any recommendations (fjr1300 etc). I last rode 12 years ago ,a ZZR 400.Thnx. Gents please feel free to comment and guide.
@@kidronreddy1671 I can only speak from my experience as a really tall guy with very few realistic motorcycle options. My KLR650 was good to find out that I needed a V-strom650 for 2up riding that led me to my present bike, the Super Tenere. The Yamaha best suits my needs, anybody else would have a different experience, I loved all three bikes. The best bike for you is the one you can't stop looking at, riding, and lovingly wrenching on. Not a great answer, but that was my journey. Best wishes, ride safe!
Excellent hands-on review, with all the pros and contras well taken. I did buy the triple black GS last year, though I am a short 5ˋ7 rider. After having dropped the bike my first day out ,i decided to do an Enduro Training session, which immensely boosted my confidence and showed me my limits . There too, i dropped the bike in deep sand but was able to lift it. By the way, the 🆘 did to my embarrassment work. Forgot to shut it. I do love it for touring and country roads and the bike is amazingly nimble once it gains momentum. . Unfortunately, here in Berlin, Germany, there are limited possibilities to go off-road. By the way , i live a few kilometers from the factory where these bikes are put together. Doesn’t make it any cheaper . Thank you for the professional content and presentation. Very fair…
Greetings,Jim
Moin Jim, schöne grüße aus Amerika
@@Beinhartwie1chopper viel Spaß!
This is a terrific style of review or a bike like this. Relevant narration while executing various tracks and in detail on the go. I have been a GSA rider since I got on my first early 90’s airhead 100GS. Snapped that thing up quick, lol. After a run of Harley’s, in 2003 I jumped onto an 1150GSA and love was born, lol. I put 135,000 on that bike (I think it was like 134,500) and it was still running great when I sold it. A little worn out, but still running perfectly.
The most important thing to point out for touring folks, I feel, is this. I’ve had a Harley Ultra Classic and Road Glides and can say definitively that the GSA is THE bike for repetitive really long hauls. The Harley touring bikes have a feeling all of their own that simply cannot be replicated and I will never have just one bike in the garage. There will ALWAYS be a Harley ground pounder in the mix. A few actually, lol. But the ergonomics and ride quality soaking up a bazillion bumps perfectly all day long, day after day, make the BMW GS Adventure bikes the king of the road for constant along haul riding. I’m a pretty big dude at 6’2” and 250lbs. I’ve done this sort of riding on my Goldwing, my Ultra Classic, and my BM’dub and the GSA left me generously willing and able to enjoy an evening out after the days ride more often than not. Although ripping the fire roads is just a liberating feeling of freedom, even if the off-road capabilities weren’t ever going to be a reality for someone looking for a touring bike, I would STILL pick the BMW GSA as the best long haul touring bike for me if it was a solo arrangement. No doubt. Yes, the Ultra and the Road Glide are terrific when it comes to roominess when hauling another rider with gear and having that mountain of torque to pull you along like you were connected to a Peterbuilt 379 tractor, lol. But if you are going the along hauls solo, do yourself a favor and grab that GS Adventure as your touring horse buddy. Seriously.
Excellent review of the bike my friend!! 👍🏻😎👍🏻
Great review and it's why I bought a used one. It's perfect for my intended use of putting on miles, good road handling and some gravel / easy fire road riding thrown in occasionally.
Easily one of the best reviews I've seen for this bike, and as we all know, there have been a LOT over the years.
Great 'real world' information.
Thanks, Ian. 👍
Better than Missenden Flyer in the UK.
You are very fair in your reviews and do them from a very objective point of view. Knowing the suspension short comings of the BMW r nineT Urban GS, I would love to see your review on it and adding your opinion on how much better you think it could be with a suspension upgrade.
It seems that the GS is easier to pick up than the 800 because of the boxer. Having said that 499 lbs is my today limit on weight, because I ride alone. Also, I just can't bring myself to spend that kind of money on a motorcycle. (I only want lightly used if not new). I'll be the guy on the V-Strom buying everyone a drink.
You are seriously the best when it comes to reviews.
KLX 300R owner, SV650 owner...but looking at this BMW as my third bike purchase ever. Loving the SV but, tired of hunching over kinda. Wanna sit more upright, taller...like I do on my dirtbike.
This has to be one of the most comprehensive and best reviews I have seen to date of the GS and I’ve watched a lot, thank you so much for your time and effort I’ve subscribed immediately, Grtz from Tokyo, Japan !!
Ever drag a cylinder head? I always loved this bike but that is a concern. Is it a reasonable concern?
This pushes me toward the Norden 901 but if I bought that, I'd feel like I settled on less than the ideal.
*sees new Big Rock Moto upload*
*sees **44:30** length*
*happy ADV noises*
Stoked for this one, thanks for all your hard work man!
never understood the big fear of simple chain maintenance ? its cheap to replace easy to change gearing and simple as heck to take care of whats the fear about ???? aside from being the most efficient way to transfer power by far
people don't like adjusting cleaning and lubing while traveling
@@BigRockMoto i would wager big that the vast majority of motorcycle travelers (90%?) are like me in that they are not able to go for long enough to require much if any chain maintenance mid trip often if ever before having to go back to work or engage back in your normal life
@@BigRockMoto i understand the sentiment i suppose but dont see it being relevant in practical application
Your review and comments are spot on! I have a 1200GSA and love the bike. The longest trip I’ve taken in the bike was 7,500 miles up into Canada. However due to my age of 64 and not going off road anymore, I just put a deposit on a new 1250 RT. I just hope I don’t regret giving up the versatility of the GSA. I enjoy watching your videos!
How did you do this summer with your RT? I purchased my ‘22 RT last Spring and enjoyed it all Summer. The ONLY issue I have with it is the rather cramped leg position. Every 2.5 hours I need to get off and stretch my legs. I am thinking of a ‘23 1300 GS when they come out, but will have to determine if the GS is worth it when it is released.
@@illiyakuryakin3092 I went from a GS to an RT and I found the seating position cramped, too. The fix for me was Illium bar risers and peg lowering. I also ordered a seat from Sargent that was 1” taller than stock. Problem solved.
@@limadelta2 Thank you for the reply. I have the Weltmeister peg lowering kit and will install it soon. Hopefully that gives some relief. Ride safe.
@@illiyakuryakin3092 Sure will try to. Enjoy your RT
I'm sure after owning this beast for a few years and putting a few miles on it there will eventually be an electronics issue with it..because it's mostly electronically controlled and so complex and hence expensive to repair..Simpler is better for me..a machine I can fix myself.
Personally I like the electronic aids
@@gbner9991 I'm an Avionics Aeronautical Engineer..My work for the last 35 years involves MOSTLY economic replacement not repair of VERY EXPENSIVE Airplane instrumentation..so I know that in time with alot of use and high frequency harmonic vibration electronics WILL FAIL eventually...and a bike or car are prone to MORE vibration than any Commercial Airliner.
@@mikemerrill175 Until you have to pay to get them repaired or replaced because they stopped working.
I'm a new subscriber and I wanted to say that I really appreciate your down-to-earth, concise and no-nonsense reviewing style in contrast to some other channels which seem to value high-strung testosterone-infused A.D.D. friendly production pieces sponsered by Monster energy drinks full of rock music and quick cuts all while lacking any actual good useful information. Thanks for not giving me a headache.
Agree and the point he made that 2% of riders are truly skilled enough to take it on technical trails makes total sense to me. Kudos for those who can do it but that's not most of us. Let's keep it real.
You have an option to take whatever bike you want to Colorado.. You can trailer a bike or ride one.. You must do Black Bear Pass and a few other not so easy mountain trails while there.. You will video the trails and area there.. What option will you take? You have a week or 10 days. What bike? Trailer or ride? 😁
Trailer the Norden there... or ride it out
@@BigRockMoto so you think it can do either... No need for a Honda CRF300L and trailer.. Or a KTM690 and trailer.. Go with the Norden and tackle anything...👍 If you could go to do that area and pull it off... Would be epic for sure. It's a big trip for sure and you may not have the time.. But to be the 1st on a Norden 901 to do Black Bear Pass would be a big feat. 😂 Not sure if you have similar trips closer to you. .. Phone keeps changing my Black bear pass to big bear pass 😁
Great review. I liked the explanation of the riding modes and the emphasis on “little ‘a’, big ‘T’” - that is how I would be using it. Look forward to the accessories video. Do you have the dealer do the scheduled major maintenance intervals with your own extra oil changes thrown in - do they do it all - do you do it all? Without the GS-911 tool it seems that service reminder on the TFT would be annoying.
To me, the most remarkable thing about my 1250 gs is how light it feels. I've owned quite a few bikes. Everything from old standard bikes from the 80s, cruisers, hyper naked, true sports bikes, and a lot of others. Before buying the GS I owned a Versys 1,000 (and a cbr 1,000) The difference in the feel is night and day. The GS is almost the exact same weight as the versys was. With all the protection and bags I've added, it's probably 50lb heavier. However, the GS feels like it's a 500cc bike ONCE ITS MOVING. If anything, I almost feel like it's too easy to change directions. It feels a bit nervous in the corners. The Versys was FAR from ideal, but it did feel very planted in a corner. The GS doesn't like to hold a line. It wants to go in too much, then you need to pull in back out a hair. That's my experience anyways. Though I do not own the GS adventure, just the standard model.
This is a GREAT review. I bought my 1200 GSA in 2013. I was gung ho to rip up the mountains. That was about the time that the adventure category was exploding. I rode pretty hard for the first few years. Then I came to the same conclusions you did in this vid. If you’re riding alone, then this is an AMAZING bike for road touring with the option of taking some moderate off road detours. But it’s NOT the bike for real adventure touring unless you’re that 1% or you ride with a group and have very deep pockets for expensive repairs. It’s so great to see the sweet mid displacement bikes starting to arrive on the market. IMHO, those ARE adventure bikes! I wish this review was available 10 years ago. But I have no regrets. I only have one bike. If I had a quiver, then my GS would still be there alongside something like the T7 or new Husky. Thanks for the great work here.
I dunno. I wouldn’t buy an ADV bike without expecting to put it down. If not, you’re not trying hard enough.
Greetings from Australia, and thanks for an excellent review. Towards the end i noticed you carefully kept the KTM 1290 SAR out of the conversation. It's probably one of the most relevant competitors.
I am 72 and previously rode a KTM 640 Adventure for 40000kms. I had such a good run and adventures with it. I also have a 08 Honda Fireblade 1000rr which I love for road.
With the country's deteriorating roads i wanted something that would fit multiple requirements so i chose to go the KTM 1290 sar and love its all-around capabilities.
My younger brother is a die-hard BMW devotee with a 07 GS and a boxer cup 1100. I have lost count of the time the words " Tele lever".are used in conversation. we have some interesting debates, he is a bigger daredevil and faster rider than me. I say he is a bigger risk taker.
When we ride together, there is always a bit of upping the ante. Lots of fun.
But it's whatever floats your boat. As long as it has two wheels. Cheers.
Undoubtedly an excellent machine, but too expensive for most and quickly becomes too heavy. Really an excellent paved road, forestry trunk road type bike. The drive shaft issue is disappointing for a bike this advanced.
Here is a brutally honest 1250 review: hilariously oversized and overweight which gets even worse with all the crap installed on these bikes. Outdated engine with cam-shift technology lifted from japanese motorcycles in the 1980s. The onboard computer always nags you about tire pressure, a random error or some kind of untimely service. Little to zero suspension feedback until something goes wrong. Lacks character, kinda boring to ride. On the bright side, it's a perfect old people's bike - until it falls over.
Ian, you always do a great job with your videos and reviews, but you have outdone yourself with this comprehensive review of your GS. I had a 1995 R1100GS, it was truly a jack of all trades. That GS was a phenomenal “sport touring” bike. I wish I still had that GS. I just can’t afford a new GS anymore. I’ll keep buying lottery tickets and get a new GS if I win. Thanks again for sharing with us.
30:30 Most important part of video. Jeeze, I can relate to that feeling. I don't think many people have considered the conundrum of getting the bike stuck on the trail. That feeling of being trapped is a horrible feeling, and to know that you have 600 pounds that can't be turned around on the small trail, is really scary! Your advice has made me reconsider the idea of purchasing one of the big bore ADV bikes.
The most comprehensive review I’ve seen yet on a bike, outstanding! Thank you! 🤙💯
The final drive issues are due to not maintaining their motorcycle. Period. You have to take it apart and lube it.
Really, most of what this guy said is fine. When he tries to tell people what their skill level is and how they are going to feel- he’s really talking about himself. Keep that in mind if specially in the off road segment.
If you put in the effort to skill up you can do what these reviewers say you shouldn’t or can’t. If you don’t skip leg day at the gym and learn how to pick it up properly the weight isn’t the issue these guys make it out to be, honestly, it’s not. The GSA does not fall flat on the ground, you are lifting about 250 lbs, not 600+.
A pretty accurate summation Ian from my experience. I have a few sportbike riding friends that went to a GS for its comfort and road handling with some occational forest and country dirt roads for variety. They love them.
What do I do if I get myself in a difficult situation and it goes off the trail? I press the SOS button on my Garmin Montana and thank god, or myself rather, I have the rescue insurance. But yeah, could be a nightmare.
Great review Ian...this is my 2nd GSA...I have the 2021 Rallye and am 15lbs lighter after cancer which is making challenging offroad really uncomfortable being very fit prior...I too have reserved myself to service roads.I find after a few adventure riding courses...getting your weight forward and knees hugging the tank will keep you from pulling on the handlebars offroad.On point the comment about the handlebar switches at night. Best review yet...good work Ian.
Glad youre still here after beating Cancer!! the 2021 Rallye is beautiful!!
Nothing like being a left lane bandit on your freeway part of your ride.We can get fined for that!Great video other than that!
👍OK... YES - I know I was in the fast lane and getting passed. I was already speeding. Also, I needed to be in the left lane so there was less cross traffic so I could narrate the video and not get killed. I don't hang out there normally at those speeds. Making movies is different from normal riding! Thanks . Check out my other GS videos in the description.
What roads was this filmed on?
Everyone on YT is an armchair expert on motorcycle safety. Don't pay attention to these trolls. Great work on this review! I'll have to check your other videos.
@@recklessrickey9513 The freeway section is by Desert Hills and Cabazon outlet in Riverside county. The twisties I'm guessing is from Beaumont going to Idyllwild.
@@BorisOnWheels What?? So please explain how its ok to sit in the fast lane while being overtaken up the inside. Try that in Europe or Australia. He know he was wrong doing it so dont bother trying to say its not a safety issue.
Oh totally. I also sit in the passing lane on my phone for safety so I don’t have cars passing on both sides since I need to pay attention to my conversation. I appreciate your review but claiming it’s safer to illegally force others to pass on the right is unsafe and paints bikers with a poor brush. Please represent better.
Navigation should be integrated into the TFT screen. It’s ridiculous the bike requires a separate NAV unit.
One of the honest review i had about the gs. Perfectly explained from a ordinary rider prespective...Thankyou
My pleasure!
I don’t think I will be riding a $30,000 bike in places where there is a good chance of going down.
That is what small dirt bikes are for…
Yes! I switched from an RT to a GSA because I have lots of friends who live on ranches and I wanted the somewhat longer legs...if I'd known how good the GS was at touring in the first place I would have had the RT, great bike though it was. For me the GS is a true do everything (that I do) bike, if you have the means I highly recommend it.
Great conclusion. I had an 800GS and I got rid of it because I got tired of paying crazy money for servicing. I'd love to have a 1200GS, but only for road touring!
Mo, how about the 1250?
Great video. IMO BMW has built a bike for the type of riding 99% of buyers will actually do with it.
As for the Goldwing comparison. While I haven't rode a Goldwing I think a lot of people are buying them for passenger comfort. And while I'm sure a GS can handle a passenger just fine lets face it. Here in the US a LOT of those passengers will be, lets just say overweight. I can't imagine a overweight couple trying to board a big tall adv bike. Just walk threw Walmart and imagine the people your seeing trying to climb on the back of that GS. Easier to buy a large, low touring bike than put the wife on a diet!
I mean lets be honest. Do to age, physical fitness, etc a lot of passengers won't be joining their partners if they feel like they have to be a gymnast to get on the bike. And a lot more may do it once or twice then choose to opt out. Way different than your partner looking forward to hopping on a touring bike and spending a weekend in Tahoe or going to lunch in the mountains. And most people who have the financial means and freedom to buy a 25k bike and go touring aren't in their 20's and at peak fitness.
nice bike. if you want one get VFR1200X
I bought a 1250 GSA on January 17, and now have over 4k miles on it. While most of the miles have been street miles, I’m making it a point to ride trails and dirt as much as possible. Because this bike is so capable as a tourer, I’m selling my Goldwing DCT. Because this bike is so much fun, I leave my 911 Targa 4S in the garage more than I want.
My only complaint is the switch gear. The buttons are cramped, and the wheel on the left handlebar requires too much attention to use while riding. When turning off the cruise control at highway speed (75+mph) the bike’s compression slows the bike as if you have the brake on.
There are other bikes that I’ve ridden and liked, but I have no regrets about buying this bike, and I look forward to riding it more.
good points. I'll take that 911 off your hands if you want. :)
As a bike rider of 55 years I have my share of bikes 30 some on memory count with a Suzuki tls from new a 93 fire blade and my amazing gs1200 2016 got to say what a bike we tour we go for early morning blasts copes with all. But when people say it’s got limits off road 🤗🤗 it’s a all rounder and most will never see dirt but to know it can go off road is a good thing. Bit like my Range Rover never intend to go off road like 99% of them but a very capable all rounder
Good description… a Range Rover… yea, it can do crazy things… but do you really want to do that to a $30,000 bike or $80,000 SUV?
I would get a used $5000 bike that I don’t mind dropping.
To me, Adv Touring bikes are what the GS is: Good for touring on paved and dirt/gravel roads. It's not a trail bike.
I use my R1200GS with 90/10 tires (conti trail attack 3s) to mainly tour on pavement with some easy gravel roads thrown in. If I'm thinking of less touring and more dirt, I have a 790 adv R for that. For the really rougher stuff I have a WR250R that I'll trailer and ride as a day rider. I'm leaving for Florida this week and I'll be on the GS. There for no doubt in my mind on which bike I was planning to take on this trip. This is my 4th GS.
1200, 790, 250. perfect combo
Man, it's a toss-up between the Africa Twin and this bike for me.
After having owned a (used) BMW 325, and having dealt with all of the BMW dealer fees for maintenance and inspection costs, I just vowed never to own a BMW again.
Even used, BMW's are a rich-man's car. That said, they are incredible machines!
Chain vs shaft drive.
@@byever1 For me it's more about reliability. I'm not rich, and I don't care about buying a new bike every year or two. I'd rather pay the price for quality, once, and have it last me most of my life, through proper care.
So even if the Africa Twin had shaft drive, I'd probably be leaning that direction.
Outstanding review.Just a note on the Drive Shaft.On the 1K 1st service make the guys open the Drive Shaft and make sure it is greased properly and thereafter every 10k service.You will find it will last a life time unless you do a lot of water crossngs then check it more often.Thanks.
Did you have them do both ends or just the back end?
@@Hogdriver88 Check front and back to start off so you know your starting point is good.Then you will get a sence of its state when you open it next.The shaft is not greased well from the factory in my experience.
@@brucekendall52 My thoughts as well… thanks 👍
I’ve had many bikes but ever since ‘09 only a GSA (first an ‘09 and now on a ‘15). Best bike for everything, except, as you say, harder trails especially if alone. But this, and some steering feel, are well worth the sacrifice for everything else that comes with it.
Best honest review I’ve seen of the very best overall bike in the world. Nothing better than starting an early morning ride on a GSA, with the early sun peeking over the distant hills… just absolute heaven.
No, that would apply to any motorcycle.
Ive completed the NMBDR and the AZBDR...doing the COBDR this summer....I have done it on my F800gs and that is plenty big (almost to big), cant imagine doing that on a huge bike like the 1250. Its just TO BIG...the fun of off-road riding is having a nimble bike and getting through technical terrain. With all the options for touring bikes this looks like the best, but I wouldnt even consider it if you are going to do more than 5% of off road riding. thats my 2 cents.
I agree. Especially with the almost 8 gallon tank on this. It is huge!
I think I would want a much smaller made for dirt bike if I was going to ride technical stuff.
One should never cruise in the PASSING lane. It is, in fact, against the law here in Colorado. As it should be. That said: Great Review!
If the Weight is the biggest downside Then the F850 is it a Good Alternative !!!
I have been a cruiser rider all my life and seriously considering moving on to an Adventure bike like the R1250GS. I would like to hear from anyone who had a similar experience and how was it. Thanks
I haven't owned a cruiser but i rented one last year ( ruclips.net/video/JoDN8nip9nk/видео.html ) , the cruiser was lots of fun and they look really cool but for the big trips i always want to be on the GS.
At 32:00 you just need to lean the bike over, then spin the wheel around until you do a 180 degree. Remember to look in the direction where you are going. I know the Big Rock guy can do this, but this is more for other viewers reading this and maybe thinking that the GS is hard to turn in situations like that.
Where's the 900-cc. Boxer 95-H.p 80-Lbs Torque, &+ Longer VaLve Adjusts. Under$💲15-k. Max, i`~ Do Like TeLeLever Suspion,, But Offer Both✔️✔️ Kinds.
YES
No estoy de acuerdo
El asiento es pequeño y los estribos muy altos y atrasados
Esto en largos viajes resulta cansado
Being mostly a street rider, I've always thought "bigger is better," until I started riding trails. I recently upgraded from Yamaha 250XT to BMW F800GS, and I kind of regret it. Don't get me wrong, F800GS is an amazing bike and does great on highways and light dirt, but just like you described it - you naturally tense up, both mentally and physically, when the trail becomes a bit more challenging, and you don't know what's ahead. For years I always dreamed about having a 1200GS, but now that I experienced F800, I think even F650 is plenty when it comes to trail riding. I still might get 1250GS one day, but it will likely be for street touring. Being 6'1, I love the more upright seating position compared my K1600GT.
I would encourage you to think about a 1250gs or KTM 890 ADV R. Those mid weights you mentioned carry the weight much higher. The main appeal with the GS is the super low center of gravity along with the 890S/R. This low center of gravity makes the GS and KTM 890 stand out as really damn capable off road machines. I would argue the 1250gs is better off road than an 850.
Absolutely fantastic review 👏❤.
Best detailed review on RUclips
I am from India. My height is 6.4 , I own ktm adventure 390 got one due to the budget constraints. It costs only 4863 US dollars here in India.
Did lot of mods to make this bike more versatile offroad & on road. Practically I feel more confident taking my bike off road due to the light weight of adventure 390. I am happy with my purchase 😊👍
Thanks for the complete video. I’m wondering….if you were going to do a lot of long distance touring, some city riding and virtually no off road, considering range, luggage, and comfort, given only these two choices, would you choose a GSA or a Goldwing?
Probably gold wing but the option for off-road is selling me more and more 🤔
I have to chuckle at the heated grips and heated seats….total gimmicks.. If it’s that cold outside you suit up.. meaning gloves and pants…. Which are thick by nature negating nearly all heat transfer from the grips/seat to your flesh…
I agree, heated grips are a SCAM.....sold to people that don't understand thermodynamics 101.........the outside of your hands are Still freezing cold......LOL....waste of money.
One of the best overall reviews of the GSA, covering all the important aspects of the bike. Thanks a lot & keep up the good work.
Nice video. I enjoyed it. Your helmet visor looks sweet! I'm also a sucker for the beauty of desert terrain and blue skies. Love your videos.
I have the F700GS. It's a great bike for most of the same reasons you mentioned. Smooth, reliable engine; great on the highway; and best-in-class brakes. Mine is 2013 so no riding modes and much less torque-but I'm okay with the middle-weights. I had a 1200 once that was relaxed and happiest at 85mph, but I don't really like driving that fast. I prefer state and county highways as opposed to the interstate. I find the interstate boring and of course, has more wind noise. It's only good for making time.
Cons of the 1250 includes the massive weight off-road and the eye-popping price tag. The sandy terrain would scare me on a heavy bike. I have a lot of experience riding in sand, but on lighter dirt bikes. Riding on sand with a big ADV bike is a different ballgame.
I experienced the same thing on my 1200 GSA while riding off-road.
Greetings from Germany - superb review - I owned a Goldwing DCT as well as a Multistrada and changed this season to a GSA for exactly the reasons you mentioned in your verdict - Comfy speed touring with some off-road capabilities - for me the sweet spot albeit I miss some excitement on the visual front … keep on riding safely and good vibes from Germany - looking forward to a great new season - best wishes to all …
Like this Bike, Seems VERY GOOD, Wishing 4 🅰️ 900-cc. Boxer, Copy Of this Bike, a LittLe Lighter Be Nice, 👍.