Rambling about buying DDR4 and DDR5 in July 2022
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2:15 16GB DDR4 (2x8)
- 3:45 obligatory "3200 CL16 can be anything" (Anything under $50 is fine) + RAM chip compatibility
- 5:00 OLOy 3600 Sale
- 5:05 Warning on 3600 speed for Intel 12th gen non-K
- 12:15 Ripjaws 3600 (CJR)
- 14:43 Ripjaws 4000 (BDie?)
- 15:07 Vengance 3600 (CJR)
- BDie shopping:
- 22:15 Trident Z 4400 CL17 (BDie?)
- 23:35 Don't pay over $100 for DJR
- 23:55 Trident Z 3200 CL15 (BDie)
- *24:10** Patriot Viper 4000 CL16 / 3600 CL14 (BDie)*
- *27:22** Patriot Viper 3600 CL14 (BDie)*
- *27:31** Patriot Viper 4400 CL19 (BDie)*
- 29:17 Patriot Viper 4000 CL19 (BDie)
- 31:20 Note on 3200 CL14 (G.Skill Flare X)
- 32:40 How to look for BDie kits
- *34:00** T-Force XTREEM 4000 CL19 (BDie?)*
35:05 32GB DDR4 (2x16)
- 35:05 Two 2x8 kits may be worth it over a 2x16 kit for Ryzen
- 38:40 DO NOT BUY Trident Z 4800 CL20
5333 CL22 IS NOT A BDIE BIN. It's DJR.
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking oops, fixed
@@bananya6020 I misspoke in the video too. I called the kit CJR at first.
Can't update the comment again since it got pinned, so here's the completed version (+ took out some kits that didn't seem important):
0:42 Note on RAM chip interoperability
2:15 16GB DDR4 (2x8)
- 2:25 Team Group T-CREATE 3200 CL22 (JEDEC kit)
- *3:45** obligatory "3200 CL16 can be any chip" (Anything under $50 is fine)*
- 5:00 OLOy 3600 Sale
- 5:05 Warning on 3600 speed for Intel 12th gen non-K
- *12:15** Ripjaws 3600 (likely CJR)* + Alternative at 15:03
- 14:43 Ripjaws 4000 (BDie)
- 15:03 Vengeance 3600 (likely Micron or Nanya)
~~~BDIE SHOPPING~~~
- 20:00 THIS IS NOT ACTUALLY CJR IT'S DJR (Trident Z 5333)
- 22:15 Trident Z 4400 CL17 (BDie)
- 23:16 Don't pay over $100 for DJR
- 23:53 Trident Z 3200 CL15 (BDie)
- *24:10** Viper 4000 CL16 (BDie)*
- *27:20** Viper 3600 CL14 (BDie)*
- *27:31** Viper 4400 CL19 (BDie)*
- *29:17** Viper 4000 CL19 (BDie)* + Alternative at 34:00
- 29:44 Warning for preloaded Viper XMPs
- 31:20 Note on 3200 CL14 (G.Skill Flare X)
- 32:40 How to look for BDie kits
- 34:00 Team Group T-Force 4000 CL18 (BDie)
37:34 32GB DDR4 (2x16)
- 35:05 Two 2x8 BDie kits may be worth it over a 2x16 BDie kit for Ryzen
- *37:45** OLOy 3200 CL16*
- 37:57 Team Group T-CREATE 3200 CL22 (JEDEC kit)
- 38:40 DO NOT BUY Trident Z 4800 CL20 (or any high-clock, loose-timing memory; it's AJR)
- *41:30** PNY XLR8 3600 CL18* + Alternatives at 43:07, 44:09, 44:20, and 45:36
- 42:00 Thoughts on 5800X3D and the L3 cache
- 46:40 HP V10 3200 CL14 (BDie)
- 48:24 Kingston Fury 3600 CL16 (Dual Rank) + RGB version at 50:33
- 52:50 I missed it when it was said earlier, but DR is like a +400 Mbits speed boost over SR
- 53:58 Observation on Dual Rank and unlinking IF on Ryzen
- 57:17 Warning on Team Group XMPs
~~~BDIE SHOPPING~~~
- 1:00:56 Ripjaws V 3600 CL14 (BDie) + Why the recommendation at 35:05 was made
- 1:01:45 Trident Z 4000 CL16 (BDie)
1:02:30 64GB DDR4 (2x32)
- Note: All 32GB sticks are dual rank.
- 1:03:10 Team Group T-CREATE 3200 CL22 (JEDEC kit)
- *1:03:24** OLOy 3200 CL16 (MDie?)*
- 1:04:20 RAM is RAM, until you mix RAM chips
- *1:04:50** Team Group T-CREATE 3600 CL18* + Alternatives at 1:12:42
- 1:06:54 Ripjaws 4000 CL18 (Hynix, useful for 10th gen Intel?)
- 1:08:40 tCL is once again a trap to make you spend $50 extra + buildzoid disgust
1:15:35 32GB DDR4 (4x8)
- 1:15:35 4x8 DDR4 kits in a nutshell
- 1:16:06 Flare X 3200 CL16
- 1:16:25 Vengeance 3600 CL16
- 1:17:36 Trident Z 3600 CL16
1:20:28 16GB DDR5 (2x8)
- AVOID (basically the same as currently available single rank DDR4 but with worse timings)
1:24:26 32GB DDR5 (2x16)
- 1:24:30 Don't buy 5200Mbit DDR5 if manually OCing, buy 4800Mbit instead.
- 1:25:18 DDR5 doesn't suffer from VCCSA issues on 12th gen Intel
- 1:25:53 How to choose DDR5 when not manually OCing.
- 1:26:51 The memory _controller's_ clock speed also affects memory latency.
- 1:27:41 Buildzoid's opinion on how to spend your money, it's not on DDR5
- *1:32:08** Kingston Fury 5600 CL40 (Likely Hynix)* + Alternative at 1:35:32
- 1:35:32 ADATA Lancer 6000 CL40
- 1:36:04 The problem with DDR5 timings (it's the subtimings, not the primaries)
- 1:38:35 Vengeance 5600 CL36 (Very Likely Samsung)
- 1:39:37 Trident Z 6000 CL36 (Definitely Samsung) + Alternative at 1:40:21
- 1:40:21 Corsair Vengeance 6000 CL36
- 1:40:35 Corsair might have an always-Hynix bin. Testing needed.
- 1:43:34 How to find a chip's "speed bin"; for DDR5 The difference between Hynix and Samsung seems to be that Hynix does lower CAS at lower voltage than Samsung, while Samsung does the same RCD at a lower voltage.
- 1:45:22 Everything 6400+ is definitely Hynix
- 1:46:17 Checking QVLs for DDR5
2:01:16 64GB DDR5 (2x32)
- Pretty much all dual rank as with DDR4 2x32
- 2:01:32 Crucial 4800 CL40
- 2:05:26 Kingston Fury 5600 CL40
- 2:05:58 Vengeance 4400 CL36 ("Basically compatibility mode"), basically 3600 CL18 DDR4
- 2:08:36 How to get 64GB (4x16) 6000Mbit RAM, at least on the B660 STRIX-F
- 2:11:08 Kingston Fury 5600 CL40
2:13:28 Recap
(Buildzoid, if you want you can copy paste the parts you want from here, maybe make corrections, and just pin a new comment you made, it may be more accessible for others)
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking still fast in some benchmarks. Specially if u run it on 10th gen without.shitty gearmodes
2:03 "I don't care ... we making an hour long shoping for RAM" ... proceeds to make it two hours. Never change bulzoid. Your audiance love it exactly this way and not the other way around.
this gives me kind of a podcast vibe, so good to listen to it while doing random stuff
oh man, around 20m mark i watched the timer and figured it was a 2hour long video ahahah :D
This should be called RAMbling
Nah, RAMbling is the "fix my timings" series :D
I thought RAMbling was the jewel-encrusted gold and silver G.SKILL Trident Z Royal Series?
@@bricaaron3978 No, that's RAM BLING.
YES YES YES
A 2 HOUR BUILDZOID VIDEO
EXTENDED CUT!
I listened to the whole thing and support the rambling. Keep on going.
DDR5 starts at 1:20:00
0:17 'Now we're gonna do some good old fashioned AHOC content that's like an hour long'
Me: Glances at video length, glances to the side, glances at the length again.
I like your long video's of rambling. Some of the best nuggets of info are in these. I can't remember how many times you've gave me eureka moments.
>we are making an hour long shopping
>ends at 2:15:00
🙃
Just the length of rambly video I'm looking for right now
Simultaneously very informative for us hobbyist and great to fall asleep to. Thank you so much!
Corsairs 3600 18-19-19 kit is still in production. Bought it on sale for a friend. It had their newest RGB design. Didnt look at the time code tho. It was Micron 8 gbit rev H
I got two kits of those legendary Patriot Viper Steel: 3600c14 and 4133c19, and they work great together in my case.
Started with 8600k on Z370 which didn’t go exactly high, now I tune them for 5800X3D, first got stable 3800 14-16-14-24 GDM for now, will increase frequency tomorrow.
Also BZ said X3D doesn’t need fast RAM but I still see improvements in benchmarks which just warms my soul.
Well of course it scales with higher clocks, just not as much as a regular 5800x
It scales just as well as any other cpu if the cpu has to tap into ram more because it ran into a task where even the 96mb cache is not enough, but this will not be too frequent if you are not flooring the cpu in a benchmark which is just not real world usage.
Got 3200mhz Crucial Ballistix 32gb Dual rank kit (Checked the serial code) on amazon prime day for £85! Overclocked to 3733mhz on my Ryzen 3700x no problem absolute bargain Went from my trashy 16gb Corsair Vegenece lpx kit that had 18 - 22 -22 subtimings to this kit and my 1% lows in CPU heavy games like Kingdom come deliverance and Cyberpunk improved by like 15-20%!
I was thinking about B die but the 32gb kits are far to expensive and I needed 32gb for my Skyrim/Fallout 4 mods.
hi noob here xD what do u mean "checked the serial code" hhoww can i see how to get the dual rank one.
@@WETREPUBLICTV BL16G36C16U4B M16FE1 = Dual Rank
BL16G36C16U4B M8FB1 = Single Rank
To check just read the serial number on the ram stick on the white label hope that helps.
@@theemulationportal
Yes 32gb does seem to matter in heavily modded games I've noticed (especially if you wanna preload all the textures) Edit: First time I noticed this was Metroid Prime Trilogy on Dolphin at 1440p with 4k texture mods 16gbs of ram could not pre-load all the shaders/textures on startup but 32gbs could
Very true about the 5800x3d. I've been messing around with my ram timings lately and while tightened timings are technically better in my system, there's no difference for gaming compared to just throwing on xmp
Exactly, im sick of these amd fan boys who dont even have this cpu telling everyone WELL if you put this ram in the amd system is will destroy intel. /facepalm
That completely depends if/how often the game fills up the cache. There will be a big difference in 1% lows in games like Warzone where the game does not fit in the entire cache. Even if the XMP config gets a 200 fps average, it probably won't be a great experience if you're getting 55 fps 1% lows.
Java Minecraft is one game that is exquisitely sensitive to memory latency. Other than that, eh, whatever.
@@Olivia-W a lot of games are. Less optimized games will fill up the cache really fast and once it's full, you'll feel it with slow memory. Rust is another good example of this.
@4gbmeans4gb61 I mean the 5800x3D destroys intel regardless xD probably doesn't even matter what the ram is 😂 Edit: Even outperforms the 14900k in some games
47:05 Corsair 3466c16/3600c18-19 was always B-die until 2021, now it comes with Micron E/B with 99.9%
Smart people buying Corsair memory only in used condition.
So later production batches were downgraded in chip quality?
@@-PVL93- oh its about corsair.
They just changed to micron. Samsung B-die now comes only in 3600c14/4000c16
So generous of Corsair then. I had 2 sets of G-Skill Trident Z RGB 8GB X 2, 3600C18 .Bought in early to mid year 2020. Both got Samsung C-die although Thaiphoon Burner identify them as B-die. Because my RAM kits lost stability once I up the voltage to above 1.4V . For that characteristics , they have to be C die.
every pc part manufacturer does this nowadays. They sell with good components at first and when they get the good rep they start swapping the subcomponents for worse cheaper shit without changing the name or model. It should be illegal.
I once bought these 4000c16 Patriot and the heatsink was really cheap/nearly not in contact with the IC, I finally returned them. I ended up buying a used (and cheaper) 3800c14 kit from G.Skill and I was able to post 4400c14 1.6v while the Patriot wasn't able to. I believe Patriot is cheaping on the heatsink and the XMP being closer to what the chip are capable of compared to other.
To be honest, I can live with 1.45 - 1.5V max. DRAM voltage limit (because of cheaper heatsink) vs. buying non-Bdie that can take 1.5V+ for price of those Vipers.
I always buy memory with the "ram is ram" mindset and now I have SK Hynix mixed with Samsung 3200c16 in my system...
This channel has been slowly converting me and I'll probably start buying high frequency / low latency ram when I build my next PC...
So tempting.
haha, same here. I have 2x8 GB single ranks, one B-die, second Hynix CJR - Hyperx Fury 3466 Cl16. XMP luckily works, but im unable to tune anything.
Wish there was a CTRL+F command for RUclips vids so I can hear buildzoid shit-talk my memory sticks instead of trying to find a frame of it while scrubbing through the RUclips timeline (for reference, got a lot of gskill neo 2x16 3600 16-16-16-36, confirmed b-die mid last year for ~$170 that I’ll be trying to push soon)
Either way, whether I find it or not, love the vids, and hope to keep seeing them
29:05 sad that patriot for some reason do not make 2x16 B-die with RGB like others have
im using 2x16 Dominator Platinum RGB 3600c14 bin, they can do 4000c14 at 1.55v, their price was $240
Also one thing that no one knows: Corsair/Patriot/Oloy/HP mostly has better B-die quallity than G.skill stuff, because G.skill starting from 2021 puts top IC's into 4000c14 (only some cheaper Royal kits made in 2020 can do same primary as 4000c14 bin, while newer not)
Thermaltake 4400 is 19-26-26-46 IIRC.
Also Corsair still sells 3600 18-19-19, at least as of last year as I got 4x8GB white Dom Plats of that spec, but they are Micron Rev-E.
Not sure if it's been mentioned anywhere but I found that MSI's LGA1700 QVLs have the die brand and bin listed, which is super-helpful. How accurate it is, I don't know, but considering DDR5 hasn't been out for that long, I imagine it's fairly accurate for now.
Excellent video. If there’s other Ram information you want to expand on for ddr5 I’m all eyes and ears!
I watched the whole video. Was great!!! Needed help buying DDR5 ram and you helped greatly. Taking the easy route and getting 6400-6600mhz ram for my EVGA z690 board.
You are the man, thank you 🙏
nothing like paying $200 for a huge HP logo lit up in RGB
Indeed. Nothing like staring at the inside of your PC instead of the display.
I also think that the FCLK stuff is only true for Zen2 since there was no unified CCD design. And the CCXs had to talk to each other via the IF
the IMC to CCD latency is heavily FCLK limited on all Zen CPUs.
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking I still want a 2000 FCLK 2700X. G.Skill had one running 4000 CL18 at Computex 2018.
Pc building Christmas came early today. Time to cozy up, stay a while and listen
Buildzoid is best, can't wait for his AM5 motherboards talk.
Good old fashion AHC Video thats like an hour long..
You never fail us buildzoid
What are your thoughts on checking the QVL? Are there settings that get tweaked by the mainboard vendors as part of that process, or is it literally a check box validation?
they check that the board can run some kind of memory stress test with XMP turned on at least once with at least 1 CPU.
QVL kinda useless.
Patriot Viper Steel are my favorite looks and die/layout wise. Their B-die is good and affordable. I have a 4000mt/s kit and 4400mt/s kit both 19-19-19-39. I got both of these kits sub $100. Worth it even if you are pairing it with a 5600/X. 4400mt/s is out of stock though sadly.
perfect length video to watch while i wait for a cpu cooler to arrive
Thank you so much for putting your time for this guide! Might be not optimal for youtube, I guess, but very helpful
thx for the great content, as always I value your insight and opinions! the best around imo
As far as I am aware, all Hynix G.Skill DDR5 kits have J after their clock speed ie F5-6400J3239G16GX2-TZ5S. if anyone has other knowledge please let me know.
So the U means Samsung?
More of this please
To be said, Corsair's 3200 cl16-18-18 and cl18... sticks are almost all CJR from what I've seen. Might be local supply thing, but each and every stick I've ever checked and those I've heard of or discussed about from those have been. In almost every Finnish shop they are (among) the cheapest option and discounted in every sale, which makes choosing cheap grade RAM incredibly easy. You just buy the capacity you need from the slowest bin on sale and clock it to decent speeds.
Would be good to see an update video on this!
I watched it all and i dont even need ram, damn you!
So I'm looking to buy 64gb of ram for my 5900x on a Gigabye Aorus x570 Master rev 1.2. The best options I could find were the Patriot 3200@16-18-18-36 for 190$ that you barely just glossed over and the G.Skill 4000@18-22-22-42 for 270$ that I see someone was able to get stable @3800 with similar cpu/mobo on pcpartpicker. what do you think would be my best bet? Or would trying to get a 4x16gb set of non-Bdie micron or hynix be a better option?
Another great video. Question for everyone. Did I leave a lot of performance on the table by buying 4 x 8GB CL 40 5200mt DDR5 sticks instead of 2 x 16GB 32GB higher frequency kits?
You was saying, that Patriot doesn't use their black Viper heatspreaders on anything from the top - yep they were on 4000mhz that is basicly B-Die.
Buildzoid: might be an hour long
Video ends up being over 2 hours
Me: (wipes tear of joy)
50:50
I just bought this kit for my X570 system as an upgrade from 16 GiB Corsair 1Rx8 (CJR). Paid £92 for it.
Watching loads of your videos I finally got the confidence to get my 4 sticks of ddr5 cl40 6000 to run with:
Xmp1
1.4v
Pmic set to per pmic
Set speed to 5600
Finally have stable fast ram for my 12900k 😀
The tipping point was you saying you don’t test 1.3V on your 4 stick 6000 OC video, so after getting the kit to run and crash after 3 hours on 1.35v I added the extra, up yo 1.4 and it’s now fully stable! 4x16 at 5600 😀
The ram is SK Hynix Adata 6000 404040
@@NathanOakley1980 6000 CL 40 is fast? Aren't there plenty of CL 30 kits out there.
More than 2 hours, old bill zoid, im making coffee...
Nice. 🙌
pulled the trigger on a crucial 2x 16GB 3600 cl16-18-18-38 kit (dual rank, rev E) which was heavily discounted on prime day. runs stable with a 5800x3d on an old x370 crosshair board at 1T. gonna play around with the subtimings the following days.
thank you so much for the video, i bought the kingston KF436C16RB1AK2/32 kit open box today on amazon for 135€
Don't trust gskill QVL. I have a 3600C16-16-16-36 32G kit, listed as QVL by gskill for Dark Hero, but according to Asus - is not on QVL (it is unstable at times too, random hard crash with MEM LED at DOCP 3600). I've manually OCd it though including all sub timings, and funny enough is substantially more stable at 3733 (my 5950's IMC can't handle anything more).
Gskill Samsung 6000 MHz CL36 kits are still having issues with system agent on 12900K.
Tested on z690 Strix E and 1606 latest bios. Still crashing with xmp and xmp 2 for prolong use. Tested with 3 different 12900K and MSI carbon z690 also have issues. It’s sad to see I was willing to offer RUclipsrs my kit to test and see what I mean, but no one accepted
Using GSkill TZ5 6000Mhz Cl36-36-36-76 Samsung die on a Z690 Aours Master , with 12900k, OcC to 6200Mhz no problem, 6400Mhz is hit and miss , But Great Ram
I now have one those kits but I've not checked how stable it is at XMP yet.
Bought a 2x16 3600 19-19-19 kit a year ago for $173 CAD (or $145 USD) that turned out to be dual rank CJR.
At the time it was the absolute cheapest 2x16 3600 kit, and pretty much all other 2x16 3600 kits were $200+ CAD ($168+ USD) and were 18-22-22.
Seemed like a deal and I bought it with the plan to upgrade 1st gen Ryzen to Zen3 if we ever got BIOS support on X370 (which we do now),
but still haven't snagged a Zen3 chip...and I can't do over 3000 14-16-16-34 with this Zen1 chip.
The fact that nowadays you can get a 2x16 3600 16-18-18 for the same or less money hurts a little bit. Futureproofing really is kind of a bad word.
This is the type of video we need
Now that zen4 is out, are there meaningful changes to what RAM is good since this video, or is this video still a 'good enough' guide for RAM buying?
Extra low effort.
Two hours.
Never ever change.
the shorter videos take a lot more planning and reshoots to make.
G'day Buildzoid & Fee,
Damn Fee...
Thank you for getting Buildzoid to do a new up to date 'Rambling about what RAM to buy' video 😁👍
I am scarred from my experience with corsair vengeance 3000mhz c15 I have. It just will not run on my 6700k with all 4 slots populated without increasing the timings. Buildzoids advice about c-die hating anything above 1.35v really helped me though. I honestly only buy ram now that is validated for the board and run nothing past xmp. Got now 64gb 3600mhz c18 crucial ballistix on my z590 unify ace with 10900k.
I just got 4 sticks of team group Vulcan z 4000 18 22 22 42 from Amazon. Was $51.99, now it's $48.99 a pair. Red heatsinks too. It's running 4266 18 23 23 48 2t gear 1 with my 13600kf. Bandwidth 62571, latency 43.6ns. seems pretty decent. I guess it's cjr or djr, not sure.
i had a case where an i7 12700 wouldnt do 3600mhz RAM clock on a 2x16GB , but 4x8GB where no problem. And i think both have the same ICs and Timings. Sticks are from Goodram IRDM Pro, if anyone is wondering.
Kingston have now released Fury Renegade kits with DDR5-6000 and DDR5-6400 at CL32-38-38 giving 10ns off the shelf at not insane prices. Presumably these are likely to be SK Hynix.
yup those are Hynix.
In Turkey Hynix CJR was always the same price as the Samsung B-Die but people kept buying it anyway because they thought it was the same because "it is 3600 CL16".
thank you so much
So for 12th Gen high performance DDR4 you're either looking at those HPs, a 180$ Team Group 3200CL14 kit or G.Skill Ripjaws at 4000C16 at 220$ (only looking at newegg)
I recently introduced meself to hwbot having only aio, pro-a and 12600k (now de-lidded), and that's why I'm looking for such.
Yes, I am cheap.
G.Skill Ripjaws at 4000C16 at 220$ for 2x8 or 2x16?
Bruh, I got the GSkill 4000 16-16-16-36 1.4v 2x16GB kit and on my 12700k I can only do we 3900C15 or 3800C14 due to poor IMC. The subtimings are magnificent though, I tuned each and every one of them to their limit.
I can get 3900C14 to pass HCI on Auto subtimings but the moment I start tightening the subtimings just a bit I get an error eventually... And with 3900C15 or 3800C14 I can get some beautiful insanely tight subtimings. 3866C14 was a no go either... Kinda disappointed to be honest, especially since I bought a waterblock to cool the RAM but it's not really needed for this dram voltage.
Thanks for this Buildzoid!!! Best computer info on the internet!!!. I have 4 sticks of The 4400 patriot Steel ram. What's the bets motherboard for a 12700k for compatibility with it. Currently I have a Gigabyte gaming x and can only get 3866 16-16-16-38 with 2 sticks and 3600 cl 14-14-14-34 with 4 sticks. Should I try and upgrade to something else or just stop the madness and be happy with what I have.. haha
48:50 On Kingston's PDFs you can even tell if it's an A2 or A0 PCB, on the second page.
Strangely the Corsair and Kingston stores are actually cheaper than other stores for the DDR5 kits.
Im germany 32gb ddr5 5600 cost 160€. Huge drop in price!
thank you for choosing my memory personally ...😊😊 1:46:59 so is that 6-layer Z690 F board fine for Hynix 6000 kit?
I wish this was out a couple of days ago, but I’m pretty sure I still would have went for the 2x32GB 3600 cl16 kit I got for $340. With any luck a 2 slot Unify-X will let me run this as fast as the 32GB kits :)
You're buying DDR4 today? I'm finally building a new system early next year, and I couldn't imagine using DDR4 when the system is expected to last for 8+ years (My current PC will be 9+ years old when I upgrade). That's like building a new gaming PC with PCIe 3.0.
@@bricaaron3978 LOL, I upgrade every couple of years. I think my 5800x3d will last 3 years and my 3090 will last 2 more months until I get a 4090 and send the old GPU to my brother. RAM is my least concern as far as upgrade schedule.
@@NavinF Well, that's a different story. That's one reason why I couldn't have built a new system even if I wanted to. People say that "waiting" doesn't make any sense, but when you are between new technologies it's possible to build a system that "gets old fast".
@@bricaaron3978 Totally depends on your budget and whether your PC is a business expense. I really need 64G for my workload and I can’t justify spending $600 on DDR5 today just so I can avoid buying a new motherboard when I need to upgrade to DDR5 in a couple of years.
@@NavinF The price of DDR5 is insane. The price of RAM for a gaming PC build is literally over _five times_ higher than it always has been since I built my first gaming PC in 2008 --- and that's _after_ the price has dropped significantly in the last several months.
Whether it was 2GB, 4GB, 8GB, or 16GB, the cost was always under $100 ... usually $50 - $80 on sale. And this went all the way back: 1MB of RAM in 1990 was around $50 - $100. Now, for the first time the cost on sale for a standard gaming PC amount (32GB) is _many multiples_ higher. It's insane.
What is your opinion about ClockTuner for Ryzen and DRAM Calculator for Ryzen?
I am buying in March assuming my PC lasts that long. See you then.
I am looking forward to the Raptor Lake RAM benchmarks.
I wish ram vendors would list whether 2x16 DDR4 dimms are single or dual rank. Bit of a shitshow not knowing what your getting. What type of die the ic's use would be very helpfull as well.
Suprised Crucial E-die wasn't mentioned much... 32GB Ballistix kits are 2R, and do very well. Heck I think you recommended them nto that long ago? Did something change?
My 2x16GB DDR4-3000 kit reached 3600MHz at 16-19-16 without even breaking a sweat.
Cheap C-die gang here, running 3333 with tRCD 20 because 3400 instantly errors and tRCD 19 bluescreens, yay.
F
Hey broski, at least you took the time to tune the kit and that says something about you. A lot of people have expensive kits and don't even know how to turn on XMP.
52:15 though not 3733cl16 there are a few 3733cl17 kits. I know viper steel and the older red vipers had one. Also i believe kingston has a 3733cl17 and cl19 kit although im not sure if the cl17 kit is only oem, since i saw it locally for sale as a hp oem replacement kit.
Have you seen the Patriot Viper Venom ddr5? It's pretty interesting, there is a 32gig 6200 kit under 300€ in Germany. Or is it not available where you live?
Hey Buildzoid :) I couldn't help but notice your timestamp, specifically for the 3200 CL14 Flare X kits, I have a Ripjaws V 32GB, 3200 CL14, which I guess is very similar to the 16GB Flare X and I am running it stock (XMP values). Could you point me to a video of yours detailing the fine tuning of these kits?
The 4x8gb Vengeance set at 3600/CL16, I have those, they're Micron rev B
I bought 2 packs of 2x8 corsair 3200 cl16 vengeance rgb pro because they didn't have a 4 pack and wanted at least 32gb.I bought the 2 packs at bestbuy after installation I realized 2 sticks is hynix and 2 sticks is Samsung had no issues but doesn't oc good at all but other than that no issues paired with 12900k 3080ti
Very interesting at 5:05, I just put a new board together with an Asrock b660 steel legend and a 12400f. Several times I got it to boot Patriot 4400mhz c19 1.45v at xmp (my 10850k won't do that) and in memtest/linpack it was stable. But change any setting and it would not retrain. Newer bios definitely seems to help but not fix it completely.
you're in gear2.
When it won't run 3600 in gear1 then 4400 gear 2 starts to look pretty good. It's beating my 10th gen system in intel mlc bandwidth (1t 4000mhz flat 16s, also B-die).
@@flint723 4600 CL17 should be doable on stock VCCSA. Actually that could be an intresting experiment 3466 C13 vs 4600+ at CL18ish.
Well the latency is pretty trash in gear2. That would be kind of interesting though.
Posted similar linpack gflops (~360) with 3000 c14 gear1 vs 4400 c19 gear2 despite losing 19k Mb/s of bandwidth on the 3000. Best my board can manage to train and then only once in a while, so don't buy the matx version of the b660 steel legend. Also probably not that great of a comparison when the cpu is the main bottleneck in linpack.
Also VCCSA is showing like 0.896v in bios so I'm not sure if that's lower than z690s boards would do on locked cpus.
nice podcast, I listened whole
this was just what i needed :D
Hey Buildzoid, what's the likelihood you think of getting a retail 5950x that can run an FCLCK of 2000? I heard around Zen 3 launch that it's really hard to get most above an FCLCK of 1866 unless they're binned.
Should I buy 32x2 GB 3200Mhz (16-18-18-38) or 32x2 GB 3200Mhz (22-22-22-52)? This rig is mainly for modelling and some gaming, the prices are 180$ vs 160$ respectively. I'd probably just take the 16-18, cause I'm planning on buying a used 3090(maybe 3070) and 12100f (for the single-threaded performance for modelling, not rendering). Obviously I'm not buying the GPU right now.
I am not looking to buy anything but listened to the whole thing anyways just for fun. Although sometimes it was hard to follow which product you were referring to when you said "this" and "that" a lot instead of the product names (and I can't see the small website text on a phone screen).
Great great video, thanx
There is literally NO b-die for 32GB setup without spending $300+ here in Canada. Ya Samsung says bdie still in mass production but where the heck are they? Sigh
Thanks
I bought the Patriot 4000 CL19 kit before, it was pretty good, pushed to 4400 CL 16 18 on an 4650G(for benchmarks), although it wasn't that stable cause the IF on my APU is trash
I hate Patriot Viper Steel.
Their 3200 CL16 model silently updated the spec from CL16-18-18-36 to CL16-20-20-40 under the same part number.
Alright next video idea, why should or shouldn't someone consider going for a k sku on 12th (and maybe 13th) gen? 12700/F is only a few percent down on a 12700K/F in 1080p gaming benchmarks. Yes I did hear you talk about VCCSA voltage control being absent, is there anything else though? Seems like DDR4 it's worse than DDR5 for getting a non-K sku (relatively worse, obviously DDR5 is better than DDR4).
recently picked up 4x 8 4400 c19 viper steel, happy stable on low voltages at 3733 14 14 13 24 (ryzen) cant justify the extra cost in finding dual rank b die in australia
can run 2000/2000 at 1.6v at 1.7 it will still handle c14
theres a deal going on in germany right now.. corsair vengance 2x16GB 5600C36 (CMK32GX5M2B5600C36) for 169,99€.
I dont need DDR5 at all at this certain moment but I will when Ryzen 7000 comes out and I'd prefer hynix chips obviously , but thats a really good deal, isn't it? Buy in advance or rather wait 🤔
What would the great mighty Buildzoid do? 🔮
thank you very much for all your videos 👍 good stuff
BZ, how stupid are 4000 CL14 kits for Ryzen?
BZ, why don't you use wheel click instead of right click and 'open link in new tab'? BTW thank you so much for this shopping vid. I always learn things from your vids.
Some mice have a bad wheel click.
@@Bayonet1809 Yes, but did BZ mention about that?
Where is the information about 128GB ram kits (specificially 32x4 kits)?
You heard it here folks - looking to save some cash and get much better ram later - don't bother with those 2x8's that cost noticeably less than $100 for what is for you temp ram.
And no, whatever you assume about this person's audience, you and he are probably both very wrong.
I got that Patriot 2x8gb 3600c14 kit on sale for under $90 a few months ago. I have a problem that's semi-related.
My Gigabyte B550M Aorus Pro-P refuses to run the UCLK above 1800, and will run half speed instead. Which is the better compromise?
3800 RAM - 1900 FCLK - 950 UCLK
3600 RAM - 1800 FCLK - 1800 UCLK
4x8 3600 14-14-14-34 $280 rn. I just feel like I won't see the value vs my $135 2x16 3600 16-19-19.
I'm getting a pair of the Patriot 4000, tho, to run at 36, that price is tit
I have a set of 2 x 16GB Corsair DDR5 6200 Hynix sticks. What are the chances of another set of these working in a 4 DIMM config on an ASUS Formula board? Worth rolling the dice on?