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MSI: Do not, under any circumstances, send Buildzoid any more motherboards. He likes us.
I feel like that should be replaced with Gigabyte.
Cant hate MSI when you dont have MSI boards
Absolute big brain moment
@@jritechnology PC repair tech of 10 years here. I have replaced far too many Gigabyte boards and don't trust them
@@mirknight 20+ years here - I do not think I have ever owned a Gigabyte board since 2006 and have not recommended one either.
@@mirknight 2021 Apex Z690 owner (2 of them) one came with one defective bios the other just died, both of them can't do 6600 ram, i blamed my kit and imc, now i know and i am glad to buy a Ζ790 Aorus Master as a replacement.
I know there are many many PC with cheep Gigabyte motherboards like DS3 line (40-50$ motherboards) and they don't last, but we are talking for some crazy expensive motherboards here, not the bottom line junk.
Btw my last cheap motherboard was an Asus B350 prime A, also burnt..
I hope we'll get to see now more motherboards from EVGA.
@@hotaru25189 "Primary profit machine"? Are you talking about their GPU business? The *profit* of GPUs is crap. Do not confuse it with revenue. EVGA made roughly as much profit on PSUs (I *think* that was listed as their second biggest revenue category), from a lot less revenue and certainly a fraction of the headaches of dealing with nVidia.
@@hotaru25189, keep in mind there is a difference between sales and margins. Their GPUs being 80% of their sales bled money like nobody's business.
I hope, too. Their GPU support has always been a pleasure, would love to have that on a decent mid-range board.
@@hotaru25189 The motherboards they do make are targeted towards hardcore OC, not something many people do. It would be cool if they made more MBs but they aren't exactly high margin products so its probably unlikely.
they are pretty expensive 🤔
Looking forward to your AM5 board "rambles". I love those videos of breakdowns on motherboards. I always watch your stuff before I head out to buy a motherboard.
Listening to Buildzoid ramble is ALWAYS a good idea before a purchase!
"scrolling is just better than digging through menus"
With how complex UEFIs are getting I won't be surprised if they start using search tags.
Psst.. they already have search in msi bios nowadays, at least in z690
... and it doesn't find results for SOME of the items, which hurts.
They already exist.... And they should be MANDATORY these days, lol
Yeah i never know where spread spectrum is in my msi b550i always go to it using search.
"This video is way longer than it needs to be"... Buildzoid, please, PLEASE, never change. I absolutely LOVE putting your videos on in the background while Im playing games or doing housework and I absolutely LOVE your longer, rambling videos about things like this. I end up learning a BUNCH of things that are the kinds of stuff that is VERY difficult to find or figure out from reading tech forums and/or watching other PC hardware RUclipsrs as they are often very specific, less known and/or are things that just dont come up often in standard situations but can end up being SUPER handy to know.
Appreciate that you're *always* sharing your vast knowledge! Thank you . . .
gave 10 dollars to an asshat who couldnt be bothered to say thanks LOL
for those who did not watch the whole video...
1.MSI - ok to great, BIOS is good.
2.Gigabyte=Asus - BIOS are janky and the boards are inconsistent with VRM, Memory topology, etc.
3. Asrock - Most feature complete but BIOS is jankier.
But the real judge is PRICE!
Want to thank you for all you do for Motherboard info, your vids really help me fine tune my choices.
thank you for your honesty and detailed comments about everything, pretty sure you’re the best source of information about motherboards on youtube
Thank You Buildzoid!!! I am going nuts with impatience over all these impending releases and this video is just what I need right now. I almost never buy anything, but I am considering upgrading my whole system this time around.
I usually look forward to new releases just so I can watch tech-tube videos like yours. I can listen to you ramble and opinionate. I can watch your PCB breakdowns. ETC.
Also, I needed this after all the EVGA doom and gloom and bitter feelings and blaming and getting old and such.
I agree!
|(these are the only videos longer than 20 minutes tha I not only watch to the end but look forward to.
It's so much better than anyone else at breaking everything down so you actually feel like you come away KNOWING things. Good things.)
@@ClockWorkJake If the 4080-90 is not on PCIE 5, I will be kind of upset.
Thank you for your honest reviews on these. Saves us a lot of time and effort doing the research ourselves + helps us understand what goes into making a good mobo. Very insightful!
Quite the epic ramble. Thank you Buildzoid.
thanks BZ. your takes are helpful in figuring out what i want out of these things
"Who's your favourite motherboard brand?" NONE lol.
Great video BZ! We all know that we don't live in a perfect world. Can't expect perfection in all of the designs of motherboards! You did manager to show quite an array of motherboards so that was quite awesome!
Here is my asrock experience:
I had asrock z77 extreme 4 (2012) back then, asrock continues to support that board and it had bios updates until late 2018. (not just security ones but adding new features too)
Turns out it supports Vt-d and saved me well when i needed it. (As far as i know has the only vt-d functionality over z77 which normally does not support it),
Non-k intel auto overclocking feature without compromising power saving feataures (which obsolotes 3770k, so you can grab 3770 which support vt-d)
Received bios update and got boot functionality of nvme ssd's over pcie slot which worked flawless.
Got spectre security updates... It was marvelous board and support from asrock.
So i grab asrocks when i switch ryzen. One day during installation of b550m steel legend, i break couple of smd's on the board. emailed them position of parts for self repair, they immediately sent part no's of related parts and their and picture of pcb layout marked related positions of parts.
I hardly buy any other brands unless i cant find asrocks around.
31:31 Buildzoid's BIOS Ranking: 1 MSI 2-Tie Gigabyte Asus 3 Asrock
Complaints:
Asrock Asus Gigabyte - BIOS layout sucks, boatload of sub-menus *You'll get used to it if you stick to one brand, switching between is a nightmare
Asus - Unconventional naming conventions
Asrock - Too much automation
MSI - No VTT DDR control, BIOS profile-saving functionality unreliable on AM4 boards
Pros:
MSI - BIOS layout and function make sense, simple no unnecessary sub-menus 45:15 What a decent layout looks like
Asrock Gigabyte - VTT DDR control ok, they don't bother to delete these settings. Same chip, copies the BIOS code across all of the boards.
Gigabyte - BIOS profile saving feature
1:02:17 Overall impression / opinion:
Gigabyte - If we could just put all the best parts of our boards onto one board instead of like five different boards we would have an incredible motherboard
Asus - Their top-end boards come in one of two variants: very good or very bad, no in between lmao
1:12:50 Who's your preferred motherboard brand?
Probably MSI. If I'm feeling brave and adventurous, I buy an Asus or a Gigabyte board because with either of them you never know what you're gonna get.
It gets too technical for a casual like me so this is all I could list. Hope it's still helpful! Enjoyed listening in.
Thanks for acknowledging potential biases beforehand. Really interesting to see the diverse picks despite gigabyte sending every motherboard under the sun to you, just makes it more interesting.
Ive used gigabyte boards for years, just built 3 new ones with Aero am4, fantastic boards. NEVER had an issue.
The BIOS is the reason I buy MSI.
I could tolerate ASRock and Gigabyte BIOS but I'll never buy another ASUS board again because of their BIOS. There are so many settings in the ASUS BIOS that are named differently from other brands? everything is so overly complicated for no fuckin reason. Primary, secondary, and tertiary memory timings are all mixed up, everything is just a mess. Also, I couldn't set my fans lower than 50% in the ASUS BIOS? On my MSI board, I not only can control the fan voltage exactly however I want, but MSI BIOS shows you the fan RPM changes in realtime.
asus changing the names is extremely annoying.
10:54 One of my favorite boards is the X99 Taichi. Awesome board in both looks and function. Was great at OCing and as a daily driver. And because it was released later in the x99 cicle, it has more m.2 slots and other improvements.
I still have it and i’m keeping it for as long as i can
Man you and you alone are the reason i bought MSI mother boards for my AM4 CPU'S thank you for your advise and good luck in whatever you are doing now.
My first ever custom PC was built on same Sabertooth V2.0 and FX8350 with 32 gigs HyperX Fury. It was an amazing machine at the time.
This was great; also a great reminder about what Buildzoid wants in a motherboard versus me looking for a daily driver platform
1 hour and 26 minutes of rambling.
I'm in. 🙋
I think one stereotype with Asus is you won't get a backplate and dual BIOS at the same prices as other brands. Like only boards above the Hero will have backplates and none of Asus' boards have dual bios , whereas with other brands, their counterparts with the Hero, like MSI's Ace, Gigabyte's Master and ASRock's Taichi all have backplates and dual BIOSes. The Hero often costs more than those too.
Not that it's super important, but it makes handling boards less of a pain in the ass and gives a little mental comfort too.
it's not important at all. I'd take better memory traces over a backplate every day of the week.
Ugh, my Tuf Gaming came with a backplate, as well as every other Asus board I have ever owned, going back to 2008
@@Mach141 They stopped doing backplates on their TUF boards. Also note I mentioned Hero tier and below boards.
@@ahmetrefikeryilmaz4432 Asus doesn't always have the best memory traces either. _And_ asus doesn't have dual bios at the same price points too. Bigger deal imo.
@@WilliamChoochootrain dual bios is bigger deal? You are using XMP aren't you?
''In order to overvolt graphics cards in the past, one needed to have a steady hand to solder, but amidst the numerous tiny resistors in LN2 smoke, that can be a bit difficult. Using the VGA hotwire feature, simply solder two wires on to a graphics card and connect them to a dedicated header connection on the motherboard and you’ll be overvolting your graphics card in no time.''
Rampage iv extreme was also my first ever motherboard with 3960x! Great bit of kit. Had z370 / 390's past few years, ones to note are obviously the evga dark, quality board It just seemed a bit slow posting, etc. Currently on the Asus gene xi and really enjoying it so far but I've got to be honest out of all of them my Gigabyte Aorus gaming 7 z370 wins. Absolutely love that board, sold the Dark z390 and kept that, had my 8086k at 5.6ghz with it and 9900k at 5.3ghz for very lengthy periods of time. Vrm's got crazy hot though, especially with the 9900k. Retiered her now for the gene xi. Thanks for the great content as usual BZ.
Hearing you echo the exact same sentiments I have about the R5E(which is still my daily driver) is so validating.
There's no one else who's motherboard experiences I value more highly, thank you! I also found it interesting that you preferred MSI bios, I often heard people say that Asus had the best bios.
In my experience (msi & amd) they are also usually the quickest to release the bios updates when there is a new agesa version etc. As a downside i do see them quite often release newer low-end stuf before higher end but older (like a cheap b550 board will get the update before the top of the line x470)
Another great video that I really enjoyed and learned a lot
You just about touched on it at the very end, regarding the Z690 Apex, that early boards we "apparently mostly ok", but nowhere else did you seem to mention other's experiences verifying your own, to rule out getting a board from a duff batch or whatever isolated issues arise now and then.
Aside from that, very informative and helpful as usual. Thanks (and best wishes with not getting black-listed by all of the manufacturers). ;-)
My favorite board was my DFI Lanparty NF4 Ultra-D AMD socket 939 which I modded to enable SLI (more expensive board version feature). I brought it open box used, and saved so much money, especially with that mod. That board was chock full of the latest Chipset features (NForce 4..yes..NVidia had the best chipsets for AMD back then, lol!) at the time and I loved how all the components were arranged. RIP DFI consumer enthusiast boards.
A company I worked for was talking to DFI about carrying their motherboards. Everything was on track and we just had to get the final OK to start promoting them. I had made the web pages for every current motherboard they had, mirrored their drivers, manuals and BIOS. Everything was uploaded and ready so all I had to do was push the changes for the main page and the navigation and we would be up and running. But the mails from DFI got fewer and fewer. Time passed and our contact stopped answering. Then the news dropped that DFI was leaving the consumer market to concentrate on industrial solutions. So much time was spent on getting it ready ready and then I was told to delete everything...
@@blahorgaslisk7763 ok I wondered if the industrial board maker was the same dfi. But never knew. The boards look sooo different but somehow I could see the same mind behind them.
I had DFI Infinify P965 Dark before . That is the only motherboard that I had to RMA twice in my whole life. They just die all of a sudden . I switched to Gigabyte and never looked back since.
I remember Nvidia pulling out of chipsets and their support went with it. Probably why I have a negative opinion of them!
LOL, thanks for releasing the video. Great info on the quirks of various mobo models and brands.
This somewhat ends up very informative, having some experience since the LGA775 era i find this awesome
I enjoy this,subscribed because i want to learn some basics about overclocking
Couldn't agree more with the MSI bios. Simple, easy to navigate and straight to the point.
MSI x570 Creation has been a joy to daily since its launch it really hit the nail on the head on what I wanted out of a board. I really want to see more boards like that.
I had so many issues with that board personally, but everyone else seems to have had a flawless experience 😅
Great honest motherboards review. The best motherboard I ever bought and use is an ASUS Motherboard and the worse is an Asrock. The Gigabyte motherboards I have used never let me down. It's just that the bios was confusing to use. I now use X570 Unifi MSI motherboard AMD 5800x for applications such cad, 3dmodeling and simulations with NVIDIA 3090 with absolutely no issues. The MSI bios is very user friendly and make over clocking very easy. I play game from Microsoft xbox subscription with good frame rates. My favorite is Microsoft flight and forza horizons series of games. I have an Asus motherboard I use for some cad and real world 3d simulations with Intel xeon 18 core processor. I find the bios really great and easy to use. It has great over clocking potential but I am only interested in using it for multicore applications for rendering and engineering system simulations. It runs for hours with no overheating with an Amd 5700xt. Great system build for the case use. I will peak Asus bios any day over the msi for the flexibility it provides and it's feature rich. The Asus motherboard has served me well for years, but has been killed by Microsoft Windows 11. I will keep running Windows 10 and hope Microsofts will have a change of heart and release an update that will enable continued use of this great system. I have learned from your review that buying a motherboard can be a lottery. I will keep checking the reviews to see which Asus motherboard will best serve my needs. Many thanks for sharing your findings. Great research.
Listening to your Asus motherboard issues rambling reminded me of back in the AMD socket 939 days, I had an Asus AN8-SLI with a 3800+. I forgot what I overclocked it to but after a couple months, my screen just went black and stayed black. Tested everything else in the system and the motherboard was dead. So bought another new one and the same exact thing happened a couple months of use. Luckily, I was shipped out for Army training for a couple months, came back and Intel's Q6600 became my first build from coming back and I used a Gigabyte P35-DS3L. Still have that system and it's still overclocked to 3GHz after all these years. And since then, I've been using Gigabyte motherboards for all my builds. Did a 3570K build with a Z77-UD3H, a 7700K build with Z170X Gaming 5, and now, my current 5900x with an X570 Aorus Elite Wifi.
And after Gigabyte's latest fiasco with PSUs exploding and giving customers shit, I think I'll give my MSI a try with my next build. Or even try out Asus again as towards the end of the video, it seems Asus motherboards are a lot better then 15 years ago.
I don't really feel like "hating" a brand this way is warranted. These companies are huge and each product category has its on department with its own people. What I mean by that is I wouldn't judge Gigabyte motherboards by their PSUs and vice-versa. Just like I wouldn't judge Asus routers by their motherboards and vice-versa. In so many ways they are like separate entities, they just share a brand name. The products should be compared within their respective market.
My first PC build I got an ASUS P5N-T Deluxe and I was all excited ASUS looked good and I decided to try them out. The motherboard would corrupt data as it was written, I always thought it was something I was doing wrong and I lived with that thinking it was normal, until I got an ASUS P5Q-E which had no issues.
EZ-Tune actually WORKING would make Gigabyte boards SO much better! And now that some of them build in an auto-bios kickback, it would be REALLY NICE if they would create a log file for startup issues; I feel like the biggest strength for MSI is that every setting is named exactly what you expect it to be!
The deal with gigabyte is "their stuff would be great if it wasn't terrible"
i have ASUS crosshair hero x570 and you are 100% correct about the menus in the bios... OMG i get lost so quick. they are by far my most favorite manufacture though ATM... just their build quality / components alone seem to be a step up from basically anyone else. gigabyte is probably my 2nd favorite they have come a LONG way since i started building like 30 (ish) years ago
Amazing video BZ!! I was one of those asking for your opinion about motherboards brands. Since my first build, a pentium 4 506 system, until now I have only used Asus motherboards. 6 in total, 4 intel and 2 ryzen, and they have always been problem free. My next one will be a B660 and I'll probably go with Asus or maybe I'll give a try to MSI depending on reviews of specific models around usd 220.
X370 Taichi owner.
I would describe the bios as a game without autosave, one false move without a save and you need to start a new game building up the bios again from nothing.
Have also tried a couple of times where I had to do the memory settings first and then reboot, before setting the rest of the settings. It was not able to do all the changes in one go.
It still runs well with a 5800x now in my daily.
Love this kind of content, and just found your channel through JTC recently about those z690 hero boards catching on fire.
I've been rocking an ASUS X99 Deluxe with a i7-5820K for over 8 years now, still runs like a champ, though I'll likely be moving to a b650e + 7800X3D soon.
Ah man, the good old times when 6c12t was the productivity benchmark.
23:54 I ended up buying the MSI X470 Gaming Pro Carbon years ago because of your videos about it haha. Thanks man!
I enjoy your videos especially the ones you call rambling.... Keep on a rambling brother...
Still running a FX8350 on a gigabyte 970a ds3p on a spare computer. The motherboard run HOT, always had the side off and a tablefan blowing on the VRM and chipset. When I stopped usig it daily and moved it I zip tied a 120mm fan inside the case blowing directly on the VRW and the chip on the middle on the board.
love these kinds of videos
I used a Rampage IV Extreme from 2012 to 2019 with a 3930K.
Far from my first board, of course. The first motherboard I bought separately was Socket 3. Don't even remember the make and model at this point, though I should still have it around here somewhere.
Heartily agree on the MSI BIOS. They typically have very solid upper mid-range and high-range boards as well. Dissapointed this time around in terms of pricing though........my AM4 socket B550 Carbon I picked up for $200.00 brand new 2 years ago however the recently released AM5 socket B650 Cabron is selling for $330.00.
Buildzoid has excellent rambling performance
My first motherboard was an Asus Pentium 2 400 (I have no idea what model it was, I was eight years old, and I've never seen what that motherboard looks like. If I think about it, I had the impression that there were some magicians in that box under the monitor) :)) the second motherboard was a gigabyte GA-EP43-UD3L (terribly short of saying the least), the third was the Asus MAXIMUS FORMULA -SPECIAL EDITION, a hidden gem I still have with the q6600, the fourth was an Asus Tuf Z390 Pro Gaming is an ok motherboard, but it's the only one I've seen like this, all the SATA ports were burnt (I still use it on my daughter's PC). And the 5th is the MSI Z690 Edge. I have nothing to complain about, it's exceptional. I bought it on your recommendation last year, thank you very much if I haven't thanked you yet.
MSI is so good with memory overclocking and support
I had a Z370 Carbon and it's still to this day the only mainboard that trained my 4X8GB 3600 cl14 Gskill Trident Z kit on command rate 1
I'm glad you liked the Gene XI. I've got it in my main rig, and besides minor quirks it works very well daily.
Gigabyte knows what they're doing sending you all those mobos lol. Having used both i can confirm Asus naming things their own way is irritating, that said their Bios was more stable for me than Gigabyte's so i agree with them being on a tie. Both of them tend to hide things on weird places and sometimes i have to really go around looking for the setting i wanna change. Asrock i disappointed a friend by recommending him a H670 motherboard and he had to RMA it after less than a month so i have a negative opinion on their motherboards.
Gigabyte is also stable although it may take them a revision/update longer than Asus.
I have a AX370 K7 and it's running a R7 5800x3d with 4x8 3600mhzcl16 CJR die with no problems whatsoever. CO -30 all core offset runs cool.
What happened to the good ole times when you could actually find replacement bioses for many boards that could open up a board with a standard Ami Bios to tinker with much more stuff than they came with mostly because the companies was to lazy to spend time on giving people the ability to change some settings that the engineers didn't took into account for, or just god forbid that a user got the power of actually making some more stability or overclock it too much.
@@mrdali67 lol, I actually remember those good ole days...I replaced a few BIOS chips myself back in the day... unfortunately those days are long gone.
@@GSP-76 I can't really remember if it was a hack or not. But was always exciting when you popped in the Eprom and booted the first time. Technically it should still be doable today but propably a lot harder to get the original bios back when it's not a physical chip you can just replace ... It's kinda what makes retro computers fun to tinker with if you have the equip for programming your own Eproms
Buildzoid.
Always rambling.
Never trembling.
I love a BZ ramble. looking forward to the x670e content
I wanted an asus board for my first build. Compared to msi the price was much higher. The msi board offered similar vrm and memory overclocking so I went with that. It has held up very well and not had any problems. The easy bios layout is another plus. If I had to choose another board I would go by vrm and memory peformance and what features I wanted at the best price. I would wait for reviews from other users as well to make sure there aren't any quirks you don't want to find out after you bought it. Especially with the higher prices of mbs these days.
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The MSI AM4 profile saving bug was an issue on one of the recent betas where the profiles would get wiped when clearing cmos. Msi support pissed me off to no end when i tried to report it but instead of acknowledgimg the issue they would try to make me jump through the hoops validating different settings that would make the board work ok instead of requiring clear cmos. Then they'd go "see? There is no problem, anyway we can't reproduce it." Jesus christ just save the profile and clear the cmos, the settings don't actually matter! "Nope we can't do that, can't reproduce it, btw we ran these settings and it booted fine..." 🙈
Super surprised ab Rampage V Extreme X99, that was a lovely powerfull board, true that memory preferred x133 strap and run only around 3000MHz but other than that it was a blast with 5960X. Shame mine died 2y ago with code 00. In that time it was one and only 8/16 core/threads wonderfully running with Titan X Maxwell in SLI.
My 1st motherboard was a Gigabyte with a hot chipset that had me worried but ran fine.
My last motherboard B550 is also a Gigabyte motherboard. Price to performance is fantastic.
But my most impressive board was an ASRock ITX board that blew away my expectations.
I've owned MSI before too, no complaints there. Was an i5 6500 that stuttered a lot but I bought it used so idk if the board or CPU was to blame.
x79 asus sabertooth was one of my first really good boards i bought i loved that thing. it was a step or two down from rampage i believe
I love ASUS boards! My first high-end PC was built on a Maximus VIII Gene. I overclocked my 6700K to 4.5 GHZ core + cache. 4.6 GHz required way too much power, so I went for Undervolting instead. Used it for 6 years until I upgraded and I will keep it either as a secondary machine or do an aggressive powerlimit and use it as a server.
when the screen opened up with the RIVE I was like "oh here we go.." XD I had one too, thing had to be warmed up to operating temps with a hair dryer to get it to boot other then that great board, had it running 3way sli GTX580 at one stage XD
Your experience with Asus motherboards pre rampage v extreme, exactly mirrors mine. I was ride or die for Asus up until then lol.
I had Ram issues with My x570 Taichi and power issues too. I paired it with a 5950x and a 5900x and it did not work properly. Crashes on high extensive applications and games.
I switched to the MSI 570s Carbon max wifi and issues gone. Also I can run my ram at 3600 mhz and no problem at all. All resolved now.
I tried many things and send it to different technicians and nobody could tell what caused my blue screens while working or games crashing. They did not find any issue.
My Taichi worked great paired with a 3800x and the RX5700XT. I changed PSU and got the 5900x paired with the 6800XT. Tried different UEFIS, different setups with 16Gb of ram 3600 trident z (2×8Gb). With (4x8Gb) of the same ram it was fine when I lowered the ram at 3200. Then I decided I'll need more ram for my projects and future proof. Bought 2x32Gb at 3600 and the Taichi could not handle it. Even at 3000 mhz I had stability issues.
The mobo change fixed all my issues.
Buildzoid should start a show called "Hells motherboard manufacturer" Where he goes in like chef Ramsay but throws motherboards instead of beef wellingtons.
Abit BH6 the original overclocking board! DFI LanParty (they hired ex-Abit engineers and gave them “no budget”). My favorite two boards.
That was way way back, Oscar Wu was the man.
I had an Abit BH6 that was great, but BP6 with Dual Celeron's running BeOS was the absolute best.
@@MostlyHuman I hear ya! I bought a used Abit P2B-DS and ran dual p3e 700's at 933mhz for a few years. Even before multithreaded games it was faster playing warcraft 3 tower defense maps than my 2.4ghz Athlon MP LoL! That was how much overhead the OS, networking and playing mp3's had back in single threaded days.
Big warning about the Rampage IV Extreme, very common issue of randomly dying. I've had one.
The R4BE's also have the black screen issue which is nice.
X99 my beloved. Glad to see Buildzoid likes them as well.
I've been working in IT for 25 years and really few brands gave me the headache that MSI gave me in the past, it's true that I haven't tried anything from them for about 4 years, but many problems with motherboards and video cards of this brand, On the other hand, with other brands I had much less problems, especially with gigabyte. The good thing is that we have a variety of brands for everyone.
Yep as someone who's run a PC store for 20 years I avoid MSI like the plague.
the pc that got me into pcs was on an Asus Sabertooth 990FX r2. I loved that motherboard. or the BIOS at least. the copper and poorly matched tan with black would've had it rough in the tempered glass side panel era.
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The ASUS B550 Pro Art board and any of the Pro Art boards might surprise some. The B550 Pro Art has dual x8 while intel B660 doesn't. You gotta fork over $400+ for that. Lately i picked up a z590 OC FORMULA for $200 with the 6900XT OCF to match, for $600. I also picked up the Z590 DARK and 10850K for $400. These are new items by the way. My favorite deals were the 5700XT Nitro SE's for $200 and 6900XT TOXIC EE "AIR"'s that have 2.543GHz boost clocks right out the box. $800. I binned 2 TOXICS that actually run 3GHz flat with 19Gbps on the ram. Takes some S and H mods but they do it.
who cares how much you have paid for the shit you have?
I've had two experiences with EasyTune from Gigabyte.
The first one: Installed EasyTune. App would not open, it would crash with some error every time I tried to open it. Tried to uninstall EasyTune, would crash with the same error. Tried to delete the files, said it was still running. I don't remember if I ever got it uninstalled on that system lmao.
The second one (just from last week): Installed EasyTune. App actually opened. Had a default and an OC mode. OC mode said 25GHz. I clicked it for lolz and it stuck my CPU at base clock. Default had it boost to 5.2GHz, but OC mode stuck it at 3.7GHz. I tried to click advanced mode and it crashed. I tried to click Default mode, but it still left my CPU at base clock. I uninstalled the app (which failed the first time but succeeded the second time) and restarted my system and thankfully it released its death grip on my CPU haha.
So I'm just impressed you got EasyTune to function at all XD
MSI Z87 Mpower here, this board deserves a mention, I have used and abused it and it continues to behave well, the only issue is that my mouse does not work in the BIOS
Seems like a blind draw every time I buy a motherboard. I decide what I want in a Mobo. How much i am willing to pay. Then I go out and look at all the Manufacturers and decide what Mobos I want to look closer at. Then I start watching/reading reviewers of those boards. Its been this way for 25 years for me. It seems to me you take each mobo you have contact with from a fairly unbiased point of view. Thanks. Carry on.
I got the rampage v extreme u.31 never had any of those problems, still running today 64 gig of ram and i bought the ram from the qvl , i bought the i7-6950x used off of ebay for $345 in earl 2021 . i use it now as my plex server and just storage, but it is completely water cooled also. You just had some bad luck, i got thunderbolt 3 working and a 10gbe and a raid card. have a good day.
1:07:00 oh the joy of having as msi board with a GSE-Lite bios
My fist 3rd party board was a Gigabyte LGA 775 board which served me well for 4.5 years Then I went to ASUS with my next two boards my Z97pro and my ROG Strix X570-E Gaming for my AMD AM4 system. I plan on upgrading to a 5900 or 5950x some time in the future. 1st I want to get a GPU upgrade.
For me after owning so many crappy ASUS MB I got x58 ud7 and that thing was amazing .
I don't remember my ddr3 boards, one was a dfi infinity something that the fan on it died, and I had to figure out a replacement. Both my ddr4 boards have been msi, a b450m and the x570s edge wifi max and love em
Just finished listening wasn’t sure what to do, thought it would be a great ending to throw on Zeps “Ramble on”.
I mostly buy Asus or MSI. But I do buy the Asrock Steel Legend series occasionally.
It's a complicated blend of chipset, form factor, power delivery, price segmentation, and time after release for BIOS fixes:
Don't expect that any new platform release will go smoothly. Wait for a few BIOS revisions to show up before making your decision.
Stay away from the sub-$100 boards, there are just too many compromises and not worth skimping on since this is the foundation of your system.
Don't assume 4 DIMM's of high speed memory can pass memory tests when 2 DIMM's will. For DDR5 this is EXTREMELY important to understand.
Even if done carefully, frequently swapping cases and memory kits can definitely cause permanent damage to high-speed signal traces and sockets (i.e. DIMM slots... especially on MSI boards)
above $300: Serious diminishing returns and so much 'armor' that they sacrifice serviceability for bling.
$200's:
MSI X299 SLI Plus ATX: requires manual CMOS clearing for every single BIOS version, otherwise old values end up being misinterpreted by the new BIOS. During one BIOS update one of the Ethernet MAC addresses was zeroed out effectively killing that port. Otherwise great BIOS layout, good power delivery, and port selection. It has survived multiple case and memory swaps, but one of the DIMM slots is now very finnicky and requires a few insertion attempts to make it pass mem tests.
MSI X570 MPG Carbon ATX: was pretty decent but buggy USB in AM4 platform (AGESA) plagued the Oculus Rift and sensors... had to move to Intel for this specific reason. Otherwise great power and port selection. It also survived multiple case swaps.
ASUS H670 TUF: BIOS organization is all over the map and seems sloppy. The best board layout for keeping M.2 drives away from GPU heat. Good power and port selection. Has survived case and memory swaps.
Gigabyte Z690 Gaming X DDR5 ATX: Terrible memory compatibility. Tried two different 2x32GB kits and they both failed at XMP: Kingston 5600 and Corsair Vengeance 5600. The only kit that works was the bundled AORUS 2x16GB 5200 kit... what a coincidence.
$100's:
ASRock B550 ITX: also had buggy USB but as mentioned above that is an AM4 platform problem. Otherise great bang for buck and has been 100% reliable.
ASRock Z590 Pro4: On paper is nothing special but this board has been extremely impressive. Otherise great bang for buck and has been 100% reliable.
MSI Z590 Gaming Force ATX: I love the design flair of this board. Solid power and good BIOS layout. However, seems like it was injured by a simple memory swap... can't hit XMP anymore so I had to drop CAS timings by 1.
MSI Z690 PRO DDR4 ATX: Arrived from Amazon unable to pass mem tests at XMP speeds. (I'm expecting fragile DIMM traces.)
Gigabyte Z590 Vision D ATX: Cool BIOS theme but very laggy menus. No way in BIOS to disable the onboard WiFi/BT chip, which is odd. Power delivery seems to have been hindered by over-designed under-performing VRM heatsinks.
Gigabyte Z170X ATX: Super buggy BIOS in first few revisions... settings wouldn't save, and attempting the board's auto-mem-overclock killed one of my Crucial DIMM's.
less than $100:
ASUS Prime B560 M-ATX: Surprisingly good BIOS and port selection but terrible power delivery and crazy coil-whine.
Gigabyte Z170M mATX: Also had initial BIOS problems, but those were smoothed out pretty quickly and lasted for a long time as HTPC until a case swap somehow flexed the memory traces and I couldn't run at XMP speeds anymore. Power delivery not the greatest.
My favorite motherboard manufacturer used to be DFI, too bad they went out of business
to be accurate, they didn't go out of business, they just stopped making consumer products, whereas another bummer loss was Abit, which went completely away.
Both those used to be my go to brands. Epox too sometimes.
Glad I'm not the only person who thinks gen 1 Ryzen was terrible due to the memory controller. In 2017 I was well into overclocking and had a 7700K on a Z270 Apex after an X370 ROG with R7 1700X. In 2018 I went for a Z370 Gigabyte Aorus to run my 8700K but it couldn't run my 4133mhz memory that I had been using on the 7700K. Boards had started to shoot up in price so was looking for an alternative to ROG, however I bit the bullet and bought another Apex and RMA'd the Gigabyte. Now I'm looking to build a new system but Apex boards are now an eye watering £750, I'm not sure what to go with especially as just a casual overclocker.
I used LN2 on my Sabretooth 990FX, I think my benches with the FX6300 are still the top ones with a non ROG board on HwBot. The only Asrock boards I've used were cheap ones back in the day for unlocking certain AMD CPU's to have extra cores etc. I got some really good benches with a cheap MSi board on a Ryzen 1600, it didn't last long afterwards though as I cooked the VRM's.
I loved my gigabyte z170x gaming, the audio on it was better the asus at time. Also it looked great, loved its looks. Plus gigabyte supported it til 2020 when i just checked today. asus formula at that time stopped in 2017
I'm honestly concerned with the insane cost of MB's now and how little features they do have in the $300 range. The new $500+ range actually includes things like reset/flashback buttons, post codes, etc. for the z670 upcoming boards, and that's unfortunate.
dont pay attention to sticker price, a little patience and minor deal hunting can get you a good deal, relatively speaking - end of oct'22/nov'22 I grabbed a GIGABYTE Z690 AUROS ULTRA for $199.99 brand new (and then I flashed it for my nicely undervolted 13700K).
I just got a msi x570s edge max wifi for my first build. Got it for 200 even which I thought was a good deal. It was the least expensive with the new topologies that msi is using. Going to pair with a Ryzen 7 5700 g and a Rx 6700 xt
Since EVGA are stopping their GPU production I hope they reallocate resources to their motherboard division. They used to make some great motherboards for most price points but then started to really only focus on the high end and really narrow their options. My first was a P55 LE, a $120 board, then a P55 Classified 200, a $300 board. But since they didn't make a board for Ryzen when it came out (still rocking 1700X as an early adopter) I jumped ship to Asus for a X370 Crosshairs Hero VI. There is still a nice large market for both AMD and Intel boards and with EVGA's history of making great boards they should really flesh out their product stack to get some good $$$.
EVGA's biggest problem with motherboards is the availability.
You basically can't get them in a lot of the parts of the world (other than importing yourself at huge price increases due to shipping costs, local taxes, import duties etc.)
If they would get some solid distribution channels going, they would be able to get a lot more marketshare in the top segment, as their quality is really good.
I admittedly have a soft spot for MSI because of their GTX 1080 Ti GAMING X which I still use in my second build with a MSI X470 GAMING PRO CARBON. Both work flawlessly and I never had to touch the motherboard once I uninstalled their Nahimic audio software which is the anti-Christ of PC gaming.
My last build is a Gigabyte x570 xtreme paired with a Gigabyte 3090 Vision which are also working flawlessly, though Card VRM temps are a tad higher than I would have preferred (Max temp under load 82C so still acceptable). Fortunately I don't do memory overclocking so the x570 does what I need it to do, for the most part.
Really trying to sit out the next Gen but I use VR and framerates are miserable even with my x570 and 3090. Was looking at EVGA but their recent decision to drop Graphic Cards doesn't exactly fill me with confidence they'll continue their Motherboards into the distant future despite assuring the public they will. Too bad really because I live in Japan and they are next door in Taiwan.
Anyway, that's my limited experience so far so I really appreciate your input. And for the love of God, never stop rambling...that's when you're at your best!
i mostly agree with the ranking list however i would move asus down below gigabyte instead of having it tied because (at least on my Maximus 9/10 Apex) i have to babysit it way more than i ever had to on any MSI or Gigabyte board. wanna post 3800+ on a budget MSI or Gigabyte board? sure it just works. wanna do that on an Apex? lol get 55'd unless you remember to set PLL Termination voltage. i never had to do that on any other board but this thing keeps having issues unless you manually set certain settings that the MSI and Gigabyte would just figure out on their own
I repair Motherboards and Almost all oft the unrepairable ones are Asus. Memory OC is also trash because the system never resets to a save state and just bootloops until eternity, when bad settings are used. But I like their itx designs.
Yeah that's the thing about ASUS boards, you pretty much *have* to set everything manually.
Otherwise it'll push voltages dangerously high or simply way too low, or ridiculously long timings that kill any performance, or ridiculously short timings that'll never boot...
@@killersberg1 Did you by chance encounter the BD_PROCHOT issue on older Intel SKUs? (throttles down all CPU to lowest speed and stays locked there, I suppose it's due to a failed temperature sensor). Their ITX are really cool, but sadly much like their STRIX "-E" SKUs I feel it's mostly deceitful cashgrabs.
@@victor38542 No I have only used their am4 boards.
Can confirm about that Rampage V Extreme, I had that board and a 5960X, I ended up shelving that and replacing it with a 1st gen Ryzen (1700) when it came out and later Threadripper.
I had constant issues with that system and at the end something was so fucked up it would just get stuck in some boot loop where it wouldn't load into windows, to this day I don't know what was wrong with it in the end, I reused every part of that system in AM4/TR4 GPU RAM PSU SSD, everything worked except the board/CPU? As for 1st gen Ryzen, never noticed any issue other than the RAM not running XMP out of the box BIOS.
I just gave up on it, still have those 2 sitting around in my closet, maybe I'll pull them out and try to get it working again.
I think your strategy is on point though!
Just make the video so damn long that no one at Asus would even consider listening all the way through it & make sure to sprinkle the criticism all throughout the length of the video so the only way to get the whole breadth & depth of your complaints is to endure the whole thing =D
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I just finished building a machine I've been putting off finishing for literally MONTHS because there were things going on with the connectors & cabling that i just didn't want to figure out (apparently_ )
BUT it's an I7/11700k w. 32GB @ 3600MHz of corsair - & the machine i've been stuck with in the interim is a 13/7700 DELL with 8GB of ddr3 (it's been a hell of waiting for ever & then having to reboot anyways.
BUT!
I got it done just in time to hear the end you your waffling about posting it!
Well DOne!
(I actually quite enjoy these man. For some reason the algorithm decided I didn't like you anymore & it took me a bit to figure it out. I thought you went to Africa or something =D
Cheers!
I love Asus AM4 series with ECC support. It doesn’t only support ECC but it also has the circuitry to inject errors so that you can test functionality. I can’t say that for the gigabyte ECC supporting AM4 motherboards or AsRocks IIRC. I’m almost 100% sure. MSI doesn’t even bother supporting ECC on AM4. At least for most models if there is any.
afaik the ability to inject ECC RAM errors is software-based and provided by the memory controller itself. As such is not particularly trustworthy. Although I've seen that feature mentioned in BIOS option of Asrock boards I have so I think it's at least supposed to work.
I'm personally just sticking to the old and battle-tested method of covering some DIMM data pins with tape and using a linux live-CD to run memory testing and collect the ECC error logs
@@marcogenovesi8570 I read somewhere that you needed extra circuitry to support that. The problem is the ECC reporting which seems to change from BIOS to BIOS starting from B350 because AMD didn’t want to eat into their Threadripper segment I assume. Otherwise why would they take functionality away with a BIOS update. So I’m split but I feel like it’s better than nothing.
@@KaziQTR ECC function (and error injection and VT-X/d/AMD-VI for that matter) requires firmware in the BIOS to support the feature. To make more space for newer CPU support (which again need space for their firmware in the BIOS) some vendor decide to remove "less important" features to make space.
There was a debacle some months ago about AMD motherboards having too little flash space to allow upgrading to newer CPUs. This is one of the effects.
Afaik that's what Asrock is doing where some options, some older CPUs and ECC support disappear in the later BIOS versions of older chipset boards.
So in my experience if you want to be sure that you buy a board that supports ECC on your CPU it has to be at the same release year or one year older and you have to test BIOS versions to find the latest one that still has ECC options available. For example on both Asrock B350 and 450 chipset boards I can still use a 3400G Pro (an APU with ECC support) with ECC functions enabled and tested.
On 3xx and 4xx Asrock boards (I have a few but the bios is more or less the same across the same gen so I can generalize) you can always rollback and "update" bios to whatever version you want, even to an older version.
The Gigabyte B550 vision D has proper ECC support with error injection. Just fyi
@@daethar I did build with that motherboard and it didn’t have injection when I did. TY FYI
Still rocking my X370 Taichi. Thank god for the custom bios that allow to run 5000 series cpus.
I saw your first motherboard and realized how young you are. Damn, I feel old.
My first motherboard was in a prebuilt in the mid 90s with a Micro Star International with almost no branding on the board. It had a blazing fast Pentium clocked at a mind blowing 100mhz. After overclocking it by moving jumpers I upgraded it with a Barracuda HDD for the low price of $300 for 300MB of cutting edge speed. Dollar per MB was insane!
Many years later of building many systems for many people, and _especially_ having to troubleshoot those motherboards for random people. Building liquid cooling systems from Eheim aquarium pumps, medical tubing, and automotive transmission radiators.
I actively avoid Gigabyte because I've had too many problems I couldn't even explain, let alone repair, and dealing with their horrible support. I only buy Asus for Asus fanboys that believe their "ROG STRIX BRO!" bullshit gamer marketing while charging the most for the same features and VRMs as anyone else. Asrock for the cheap consumer that wants a miracle for 49 cents. MSI for anyone that asks "What would YOU buy?"
Not an MSI fanboy by any means and I can't forgive them for being the first AIB to get caught scalping their own GPUs at the beginning of the GPU armageddon, but they simply give you the best quality motherboard when you go through your needed features and VRMs at the best price.
But holy f*ck is their dragon software suite the worst pile of dogshit buggy bloatware I've ever seen. MSI, for the love of God, kill Dragon. It's embarrassingly bad.
PS: Now that I finished the video I'm glad you released it. You weren't bashing by any means and any company that shuns you for being honest should be put on blast. People don't watch you for getting free motherboards, they watch you for being honest with them. If any company can't take constructive criticism they shouldn't get our business.
100Mhz Pentium? Young whippa snapper!
486SX 25!
inb4: Next person's 386 10 or something :)
@@ChrispyNut Well, that's the first one I actually owned cause they were expensive back then and I was poor. I wanted one for years. First ones I messed around with though were around 1982 but not mine, always the school's.
So, yeah lol. Literally even before the 386. Floppy drives were actually floppy. But I'm not _that_ old. Only late 40s.
@@ChrispyNut Typing this on an abacus. Get off my lawn!
@@infinity2z3r07 Oh hey, lemme get off of that thing. ;-)
@@madalin4802 The faster stuff makes it to the trash, the higher GDP is, the better the economy.
Modern "economics", driving us to self-extinction faster by the day!