Strange. That yellow paint job made me realize that the "stampede in the design room" styling actually works better the more obnoxious the color. Thanks as always for all the sweat and tears!
Yeah i mean if you go over the top OWN IT! Fucking go over the top and beyond! The greens oranges and blues of the ford rs and st‘s was also always cool.
Good point. Loud colors for a loud looking car. A lot of vehicles with polarizing designs looked best in crazy colors…the original Mk1 Focus comes to mind.
I bought my type R in 2017 because I loved the styling and the driving aspect is something I think most would have to experience. However, I moved to Japan in 2018(and still live here) and quickly realized the Type R styling is on par to this specific market. I see Toyota SUV's etc. that look just as "transformer" like but they just never made it to the U.S. or European markets. I do think over time this car will receive more love because it is unique and the driving experience will stand out as a great driving experience from this time period.
I think most people like the Type-R, *despite* its looks, than because of its looks. People are willing to keep their barf-bags handy when approaching the vehicle, with its loud design and most of the plastic vents being thoroughly non-functional, but once behind the wheel, get to enjoy the mechanical tuning and the overall magic of the package.
You can’t really go by the internet. My understanding is that the 10th gen is the greatest selling civic of all time and the reason why CTR are marked up because ppl are willing to pay it. I got lucky and paid below MSRP back in 19. But the car gets a lot of attention and in a good way.
You can’t really go by the internet. My understanding is that the 10th gen is the greatest selling civic of all time and the reason why CTR are marked up because ppl are willing to pay it. I got lucky and paid below MSRP back in 19. But the car gets a lot of attention and in a good way.
@@invertedpolarity6890 Because you litteraly have a Corvette pic. So for *you* and only *you* the vette is a better choice. This Type R LM edition will cost way more than his C7 one day by far. Even if i agree, the price is too high.
The Gundam styling doesn’t bother me (actually gives some fun opportunities for vanity plate names) but the fact that not a single dealer in a 200 mile radius would let me test drive one when I was in the car market a few years ago did. Awesome car in terms of daily practicality and sportiness but the dealers are absolutely delusional.
@@313soldier313 I think its the same thing with STI's, etc. Honestly, I wouldnt have bought my type R if it had anything more then 10 miles on it. You have to assume someone was going to take it out and beat the snot out of it
@@313soldier313 Pretty much every dealer that usually deals with commuter NPC cars acts like that, treating anything with a semblance of performance like God's gift to mankind. Meanwhile, a Porsche dealer caught me glimpsing at a Cayman and basically threw the keys at me even after I told him it was way out of my budget.
@@313soldier313 pretty much under the guise of “preserving the mileage for the first owner” and I totally get that you’d want to avoid people pounding on these that aren’t serious but still I’m not signing papers for a 40k car that I can’t drive first and the civic si isn’t remotely close enough for comparison. Most absurd moment was making an appointment with Main Line Honda outside of Philly and when I got there they didn’t even have the car on the lot to look at and wanted me to sign with about 5k ADM, I honestly gave up on Honda at that point. Mazda dealers had no issue with me driving a Miata, BMW dealers literally got me into an M2 and M4 in under 10 mins, Porsche didn’t give a damn about me test driving a 718, Ford didn’t mind me test driving a frickin Shelby, but a type-R… nope they’re precious gems that you should feel honored that we allowed you to sit in the front seat (SG is spot on they are super comfy).
@@KTH96 I had the exact same experience with Porsche, I walked in and was upfront that a 718 would really be pushing the budget I set aside for a car and they got the keys out and said alright let’s hit the backroads.
I recently purchased a 2021 ctr in sonic grey pearl. Compare to my integra and my crx it's a spaceship, but it is easier to daily put the groceries and kids in the car. Honda has done a great job with this type r.
The 10th gen civic will get a lot more love in the future. Honda went bold and its a unique design, you could tell what it was from a distance. Hoping one day the Type R will be available at MSRP without a battle, would love to upgrade from my Si in 5-6 years.
Such a shame that many potential owners, myself included, were turned away from this car due to scalping dealers. Years into production and dealerships on the west coast are still asking 5-15k markups on the standard Type Rs.
Yeah but are they actually getting them? A lot of dealers will do that just to see if they get a sucker. If you went in there and played hardball I'd bet they'd come down fast.
@@Dance1617 people are paying the markup. If you check out the forums or used market in California you’ll see that many of the sellers paid on average 5k over MSRP. I shopped for one for 2 years on and off, contacting dozens of dealerships in the process and sitting at the negotiating table with a few. The lowest a dealership was willing to go was $2k over MSRP with an additional $2k of useless dealership installed “packages” ($4k over). That’s with flawless credit, a fat down payment, and serious on-site offers to buy at MSRP. I hate the idea of paying sticker, but I won’t pay a dime over MSRP as a matter of principle.
It's definitely not just the west coast. Middle of nowhere dealers, basically everyone I call is either sitting on one for $10k to $20k markups (not even the limited edition!) or guarantees that any that come in will get marked up. Super off-putting. Mind you, I'm not interested in the 10th gen Type R (I fall squarely in the "it's too hideous to be seen in" camp) but am expecting to want the 11th gen car hard.
Double, you are in point. I wound up buying a 2021 Sport Touring because I wasn’t gonna pay the 10k markup. No way. It’s my dream car, but I settled for the 30k Sport Touring because of the outrageous markup.
I was wondering how much more they would charge just for shaving 50 lbs. I was hoping they'd shed like 150 lbs or more to make any cost worth it for the LE.
Had mine since 2018 (UK), best handling car i have ever driven, just eats corners. Wonderful gearbox and you feel clamped to the car with those great seats. Hope the 2022 is as good if not better. Oh and i love how it looks.
@@ClinicalDecisionYikesYT The journey of a group of renowned Rock musicians, led by George Lynch (Dokken/Lynch Mob) on a journey of discovery through music; exposing the injustices done to native Americans?
Had a 2018 Civic Type R and I enjoyed for 3 years. It is such an awesome car, i told myself that i will keep it for as long as i can, but if im gonna keep one I might as well get the one thats going to be on the history books so i decided to sell it and got me the 2021 Limited Edition. Best decision so far
People piss and moan about the styling, but come EV SUV boxes of supreme blandness, I can guarantee you this car and all it stands for will be sorely missed. As car enthusiasts we should all appreciate Honda for what this was/is - the essence of function over form.
Great video, as usual. I absolutely adore my 2020 CTR. Far and away the most enjoyable car I've owned, over a span of years that included Camaros, Mustangs, various Golfs, Subies, Acuras, and even an Audi S5. Despite the styling (which I have grown to love, as it pisses off boring people who want me to act my age, which is 60 this year), it's actually a very unpretentious car. It's sort of the Toshiro Mifune ronin character in Yojimbo, albeit if Mifune wore a technicolor kimono.
I love my 21 type r in sgp. Its a true drivers car that you can live with everyday. The main downside is every twenty something wants to race you in whatever they are driving.
They probably didn’t start off in cinematography and IT like Mark did. I think both of those combined provided him with everything he needed to make well produced videos.
The type r has been one of the most enjoyable cars that I have ever owned. The fact that it is actually practical for everyday use is just a bonus. Don't let the fact that it is wrong wheel drive stop you from testing one out, it just might surprise you.
The understated styling is only missing some neon lights underneath it. To fix the fake engine noise you can also add the 90s civic coffee can muffler mod.
I'm personally hoping the 11th Gen will bring more fake vents, engine noise and and even more dealer markup. Haven't dealers done so much for us that they really deserve more?
A great send-off to a legend! Really well done. I feel more than fortunate that I own one. This car is NEVER leaving the collection. Well done Honda. Well done.
Well said. It seems some people here prefer the cvt noise over the type R. As an owner of a boost blue, it is not as bad as they make it. It sounds like it would have an aftermarket air intake. You for get about it when you drive the CTR because you are more focused on the way the car is fun to drive with the crazy handling, comfort, acceleration, speed and everyday utility of it. It’s not just some weekend only at the track or canyon runner with a v-8 and a trunk/frunk that fits a bowling bag of speeding tickets.
I borrowed a close family friends 2019 Type R one weekend for a trip to Southern Cal from Northern Cal, nearly a 400 mile drive each way. First off, this is a phenomenal car! Simply amazing and fun to drive! It pulls hard all the way up to 7000 rpm, If I didn't pay attention I frequently found myself over 100 mph. Shifting through the gears was engaging and fun. I got a lot of attention on the road, and of course lots of people that wanted to race me. I absolutely loved this car. All that being said, it's just too racy looking for me. I wouldn't mind owning one as a "weekend" driver, but if I had a choice between my IS350 and this, I would pick my IS350 any day of the week. But at least I can say I've driven one, and I intend to "borrow" my friends Type R again!
I rented a Type-R from Turo once and really liked it. Had it for almost a week. In order of amazingness: The transmission. Ho-lee, the transmission is great. Seriously. REALLY good. The performance. TON of fun, especially for what it is, what it costs, etc. The infotainment. Honestly, it worked GREAT for me...no hassle at all.
If you look at all the euro spec R’s, you’ll know they’re the weirder version of the family, from the FD2 to the crazy FN2 and they simply couldn’t go with a subtle JDM style, like we know and love, to sell the car. So lunch trays off the bumpers, hood scoops, flares and the massive spoiler did the trick with sales.
They lost so many sales I’m Europe simply because it was too ridiculous to be seen in. Ticked so many boxes but was unpalatable to the average Golf or Focus buyer and alienated the Civic buyer.
@@seanek9 You guys already have the goofy-looking FK2, leave the FK8 for the ones who want to look ridiculous 🤣. I can tell you from first-hand experience, people love the FK8 and I believe the styling will stand the test of time, and will forever represent the golden era of Honda in North America.
I’ve owned a civic type R since 2017 and I recently purchased a 2021 as a future classic for the shed , and I’m sorry to see them go😞 . Now all I need is a mint DC2 integra type R and I’ll never buy another car again. Come on Honda, make some magic on the new gen please,we all know you can do it👍
Prices are ridiculous on all used cars right now, but the CTR's are INSANE! Talking $45k+ for a used CTR... at least out on the West Coast.. I had to fly to NYC to find a CTR for a decent deal (CPO 21' w/ 2k miles for $38.9k).. Couldn't have picked a better car for a 2700 mile road trip.. Truly does it all.. Lower it a touch and put on a different wheel/tire combo and it's not so ugly anymore.. especially from the front 3/4 view.
I daily my 2019. The only negative comment I've ever received on the styling was from my snobby friend who thinks the Germans are the be-all end-all builders. I don't disagree, I've owned many. But, I feel lucky to be able to daily a car some can only dream about.
for me, great builders mean you rarely see the mechanic - the Germans keep the mechanics very busy - my first car was a Scirocco and I swore I'd never own a German car again, Dad had Audis and they were a nightmare X2. Replaced w/ Hondas and Acuras and never looked back.
Owned a couple of german cars, just junk. Maybe its a 2000s VW thing but they have this "feel of quality" then it all falls apart over a few years, in mine I had the wiring loom snap in every door, cloth peeling from the door cards, rubberised crap on the dash goes all sticky and gross. Then it had a massive electrical failure and wouldnt start, mechanic couldnt figure it out so it wasnt worth fixing. I now daily a 30 year old corolla and its better in literally every aspect of quality even though it cost 1/5th the price new.
Here in Canada, the TypeR was "reasonably" priced as price adjustments are illegal here. These are fun to drive, and really, I like the design since the form follows the function for the most part. Great on track, great seats, phenomenal brakes.
@@grahamstefaan You eat your lunch off the park bench so you don’t have to get your interior dirty, man. Functional aero. 🤪 Car and Driver has a piece on what’s functional and what’s a e s t h e t i c (for example, the open vents on the front fenders) and it’s debatable if a car that will likely *never* see a track (and would likely need upgrades before it does so seriously) should have such ostentatious design cues built in even if they’re functional at *track* speeds, but to each their own. Obviously, the aero bits are tacked on to a vehicle designed around commuter practicality and fuel economy with some more meaningful alterations, which is why I added the note that the Senna is built around functional aero to a much greater extent as that car is a contender for peak example of function over form. EDIT: So “built around functional aero” was admittedly an exaggeration on my part, but the bits most people complain about (like the aforementioned park bench) is functional albeit only at speeds which would cost you your license.
As a 10th gen Si Coupe owner, I am very happy. I do sometimes wish I got the Type R, since I just couldn’t at the time, but this platform is truest great. The most fun I have had in a car that I own, and I’m enjoying it, nearly everyday.
Surprisingly enough at 400 hp torque steer is less of a problem but *wheel hop* is. On another note, similar to how f8x M3/4 with equal length midpipes can make the car actually sound great, this car can sound great with the right exhaust setup. What I’ve learned from my previous exhaust setups is that this car needs resonators, and a lot of them. My current exhaust setup has 3 resonators (1 main and 2 rear helmholtz) with a catted downpipe and I think it sounds good. It has a higher note but without the ricer rasp. Definitely not going to be a spoon s2000, but I wouldn’t consider it a bad sound. Also: from the Facebook groups I’m in most of the owners’ age are high 30s and 40s. Interesting considering the exterior styling.
Wheel hop is solved by upgrading the compliance bushings in all the strut based Civics - whiteline and RV6 made kits ....im grabbing the RV6 kit. Im 41 and been building these Civics/Integras for 25 years. Most of the owners are similar to me, make plenty of money to pay markup and drop another 15 to 25k in mods after the fact lol. We waited a LONG time for a proper Civic Type R to come - most of us older guys are making up for lost time AND its 100% practical to haul kids/family around if you still have little ones. I prefer the track/gundam styling - aero is awesome stock and even better with aftermarket aero parts. If they brought a 2 door integra type R I would probably buy that too lol. Bought a 97 GSR new ....stayed in the family for 20 years....couldnt afford the 10k to 15k markup on the 25k Integra Type R back in 97
I just picked up a boost blue at msrp. It’s witchcraft the way this handles and drives. I understand the over the top styling buts it’s all functional. So I understand the way it looks it will grow on you. I owned an M2 competition and this is better in every way.
I have a feeling that the next R will look better but the original will be collectible. I don’t like the look but wouldn’t mind driving it every day. In the end I care much more about what it is and not what it looks like, and I certainly don’t care what others think.
@ All the haters. Amazing blend of ride/handling due to good design and adaptive dampers. Awesome storage. Reasonable gas mileage. Insanely reliable. Quick. Brakes that will suck your eyes balls out of your face. Everyone knows the handling prowess, but many don’t realize how light and tossable these are. Best Seats ever. Insanity levels of interior space. In person, they look way less out there than in pics/video. Get a slightly lowered one without the atrocious stock wheels, and it actually looks pretty normal. To many of us Type R fans/owners, what’s “out there” is a two ton land sled with proportions of a 88 caddy. (Yes I mean mustang/camaro/corvette/and ESPECIALLY challenger).
I’ve had 98 Acura CW Type R, 2000 PY Type R & 2018 CW Civic Type R. The 10th Gen FK8 Type R is a fast car with a very select defect! I’ve had over 65+; 1st to 2nd gear grind from the 1st grind @ 1,200 miles till the end of owner ship @ 9,118 miles! I was tired to taking it to the dealership & got the run around! This is a nice car with a serious defect & there are 2021 models that still have grind issue. Love the video content! Keep up the great work guys!
Funny, during the video I was thinking exactly the opposite. Yellow, black, and red go together well for me. I don't even particularly like red accents in most interiors, but with such a bright paint color they made sense.
@@Soul_Younes Yeah, the styling of this hasn't improved with age. It's a mess. I really like the new hatchback and expect the next Type-R to be much more attractive.
@@markmiller3279 Yeah the new civic is great (minus the grill). I preferred the sedan, the hatchback doesn't look like a hatchback, but more like a “coupe SUV” which I hate. I wish they either gave it more of hatchback/station wagon proportions, or ideally for me: “a sedan shape with a hatch instead of a trunk” (not sure what to call it, but it's my favourite thing). Regardless, it should be great, and definitely better than this overstyled mess.
Matt Farah did a test of the CTR LE (maybe the same car driven here). "It's a great 45K car, BUT NOT A 60/70K CAR"! Thought the same thing when the Type R came out and the dealers were gouging anyone who was willing to take it.
Honestly I debated getting an F80 M3 or a base 981 cayman as my first driver oriented car, however I ended up with an 18 type r. I’ve driven the f80 and it’s awesome, however this car has been amazing to me. It feels like it’s a great mix of many things, since the space is so practical (especially as a new dad). The other cars would probably be more fun in the canyons but no complaints for me and I honestly don’t think I will sell my car unless I get into something several tiers above just a base f80 or cayman
I used to own a 1998 Integra Type R...in Championship coloured white. I used to call in cum coloured white. Now I can't get that description out of my head.
This generation of Civic honestly looks its best as the Type-R. After having driven a regular CVT version of this platform, the styling doesn't match the driving character. It's a commuter car that's wearing the clothing of a sports car. As the Type-R, it's performance lives up to the loud styling. If they have a Type R version of the new generation, I'm very interested to see the design. I definitely won't miss all the ridiculous fake vents.
I think you're right, I recently shopped a 2021 Civic Hatchback and ended up buying a Mazda instead. The Civic was a bit too compromised by the CVT, but I didn't really want to buy a manual. Mazda's 6-speed slushbox is totally acceptable.
Goose didn't mention it, but it's worth bearing in mind the FK8 Type R is a styling evolution of the FN2 Mugen Civic Type R which evolved into the FK2 Civic Type R styling and then this FK8. Folks might not agree with the styling of the FK8, but there is a logic to it. I prefer the smoother lines of the FK2 Type R myself. :)
As a regular commuter car, it handles better than most, arguably better than a Mazda hatch and golf, tho I prefer the golfs steering. But the styling is very loud; my girlfriend has a 10th gen sport hatch and constantly runs into dumb dudes trying to race her, just on account of the cars looks.
I don’t know, I drove the civic sport hatch and even with the cvt it felt like a fun car to whip around, I think it’s definitely sporty enough for what it is.
I hate cars where manufacturers remove things like insulation and sound deadening material, for a very small weight savings. And then make it more expensive. Of course if that's Porsche, then they will also charge you to add some of those things back
Love my 19 Type R Civic and will never sell it. Those things are selling for more than they were new just 2 years ago and now they are used!! I am NOT a fan of the new civic, so dull and boring, if I wanted that I would just buy a full blown Accord. I passed buying a 2000 Integra Type R back in 2000 and I said I would never miss it again and I didn't. I love the styling of the 10th Civics and that's what's great, they are more fun and vibrant than a 11th gen snorefest. I think the design alone will keep the value of the 10th gen cars high for a long time to come. I'm so glad to be a part of this generation of Type R!
internal combustion engine will persist longer than you think. Many people will not buy electric vehicles. I predict several manufacturers will buck the mandate and continue to produce internal combustion engines.
But this time the European Union has the political ambition to kill the internal combustion engine though, at least in the EU auto market... Between needing to meet Euro 7 emissions regulations and needing to meet 65 g CO2/km fleet average for your vehicles by 2032, you are going to struggle to make a business case for designing new internal combustion engines for the European market. [For reference, this Civic Type R makes 200 g CO2/km so it is nowhere close to meeting the requirements.] In 2032, Honda would need to sell four EVs for every one Civic Type R they sell in Europe just to balance out their fleet CO2 emissions... Even in 2021 you need to meet 95 g CO2/km in the EU, so two Honda e need to be sold for every one Civic Type R sale in Europe!
I think in relation to the time, the civic looks how it always has at this line, FD2 type r, DC5 Type R. I just think it looks like a Type R. At a glance and with no knowledge of cars I feel it's most comparable to current gen STI's. As my GF would say, (both are Loud and Look like "racecars")
Honda: OK, we'll tame the wild / samurai design of the 10th Gen and go with a more conservative, "boring" look in the 11th. People: Nooo... Not that much !
As an owner of a 2018 civic type r myself. I actually don't mind the styling. I don't LIKE it but I think it's okay when compared to its driving dynamics and practicality
Annecdotes are not data, but I have gone 69k miles in my 2018 Type R and have had no unexpected repairs. Just have to change the oil, transmission fluid every 26k, and the brakes at 52k. It's been classic Honda reliable for me, and I don't know if I could ask for more from a 36k vehicle.
Idk I like it. It doesn't hide it's performance like a lot of other hot hatches. Sure most of the wings and stuff are just for the looks, but I would only reduce them a little bit. I love how the sport(the si in the US?) looks.
@@RiasGremoryS54 The wing does provide some downforce yeah, but a lot of the vents and stuff are fake. (At least that's what I remember from reviews around launch) But if they're functional it's even better. Like I said I think it's a cool car and to me they have only slightly overdone the sporty look.
I think it's mainly we didn't get the previous gen Civic Type R. This gen is similar to the previous gen Mugen Type R. I think this one is the best mainly because it's the 1st model with a turbo. It will be worth the money in the long run. Similar to how the Evo still command a great resale value.
I am so glad Honda brought the CTR for the last generation. But I am 1019490 times more excited to see what the Honda engineers + design team are going to do with this second iteration of SI/CTR. Hoping for the best.
I owned a 2019 CTR in polymetal grey (the best color imo) it was one of the most polarizing cars I've owned, like people were excited to see it on the road. I got thumbs up, people stop me on the street and compliment it unlike any other sports car I had owned. The looks are definitely better in person I will say (but obviously over time it does feel boy racer) 1) probably the best tuned 4 cylinder turbo engine set up from the factory (minus the crappy exhaust) 2) best tuned suspension for daily driving regardless if used the type r+ mode (it never rode like complete trash, though you wished for more customization in the driving modes), 3) the rims and tires on this are overkill to be honest, I will gladly take the Michelin sport cup 2 tires over the continental sport contacts because the amount of gravel those tires pick up is annoying (not to mention the design flaw of rocks getting stuck between the dust shields and the rotors which is definitely a big turn off when your car cost so much and you hear scrapping sounds and it sounds like your car is broken), 4) be prepared for dealer mark ups though I was very fortunate to pay MSRP though I had to travel out of state for that, 5) Lastly be prepared for ridiculous replacement cost for things like rotors and brakes just simply for the rear brakes because it has an electric parking brake (cough $1,200). I took advantage of the ridiculous pandemic and now I'm happily driving a 2021 BMW M2😎 , good luck to everyone out there Definitely a unique car to own
I personally love the staying. But this is not the that I would ever buy. I used to own Si and many other Honda and I am disappointed with transmission. You are about to pay $10000 mark up on the Type R just to have a second gear grind after couple miles. No thank you. I decided to take a risk and offered my business to a different brand. I got Veloster N PP over 2 years ago. It's holding up great. Has a wonderful sound. You can her the turbo spooling and exhaust popping. Very easy to switch between the driving modes. You can even create your own custom mode and it's not buried deep in the menu. Very easy to use entertainment system. Is Veloster N as quick as the Type R? No its not. But it's very close. It's also more reliable and much more fun car to drive on the road.
I test drove one used at a Cadillac dealer and was considering trading my 2016 wrx in on it. I walked away when the sticker said 42 grand. My wrx, I purchased brand new and it’s paid off. Granted this was in April of 2020 before the chip shortage hit hard. Still couldn’t justify the purchase even though the car is amazing
@9:54 “This is the best high performance front wheel drive car in existence” you needed to slip “production” in there, we’ve modded fwd cars 20 years ago that will still run circles around the new LE
He said what he said. This sounds like the same argument 17 year old me would make about how a built, turbo Integra is faster than a Lamborghini - yes, it can be, but at the end of the day, you’re still driving a modded economy car and he’s got a Lamborghini.
@@Vashed555 I'm not talking status, I'm talking performance. And Lamborghini has zero racing history, it's a status, ricer on another level car. At the end of the day, after 2000 honda cheaped out on suspension on the civic. Modded eg/ek fwd civic times around the nurburgring are better than any stock 10th gen type R can ever achieve. In a straight line everyone knows the type R is a dog. The only thing the 17 year olds like about the civic type R is the ease of driving with the rev match.
@@GIZZMOTORSPORTS Let me make this very clear, then - I’m making a point that this argument of “Ackshually, my CRX is faster than this new Type R - LULUL” is as old as time, and pointless. Every ancient FWD car is categorically worse than this mass produced Honda. Full stop. When you start modifying a car, you do so to have fun, because if you do it to achiever internet clout and to make comments to eboys about “running circles around the new Hype R!” then you’re missing the point of enthusiast cars entirely. Be thankful they still make them. What a pointless, petty, jealous and ancient argument to make on a video like this. 🙄 I feel gross for even engaging it.
@@Vashed555 Very true. Guy's sounding like those people that will see any new car and say an old heavily modded supra can beat it because it has 1000hp or whatever. Any car modded for better performance will obviously beat the stock version of that car. Just seems like they want to butt in so they can boast about how their car is better.
as for EV's, Musk/Tesla keeps saying they are a niche - because battery tech isn't there and even if it were, the power plants aren't there and won't be for decades - especially w/ unreliable "green" energy making more and more of the grid. CA just told their denizens not to charge their cars because they don't have the power - and EV's only make up a tiny % of CA vehicles, imagine if they were 50% of the market. So what is CA doing? They are closing Diablo Canyon just like NY just closed Indian Point - both states expect other states to continue to supply their power as they close plants.
As a huge fan of the Type R, and with the Aventador S being my favourite car of all time, I can still understand why people hate the over-styled design of the Type R as they undoubtedly look at it the same way I see the SVJ as being way too outlandish over the base model. I absolutely love what Honda did with the 10th generation hatch and am sad to see the direction they're heading with the 11th. Whether it's the Type R or the regular hatch, I think this Civic is the best-looking car Honda has ever done (with the 2nd-gen CRX being a close runner-up).
The only better looking car is the old Honda/Acura NSX (marketed as Honda in Japan and Acura in the USA) ... and that car is overpriced I would not buy one... I saw an NSX on the highway, I waved and then I took off lol.
I remember trying to call all dealership in my area to try and order one and they all told me to screw off now they all keeping them to mark them up love it 👍
Strange. That yellow paint job made me realize that the "stampede in the design room" styling actually works better the more obnoxious the color. Thanks as always for all the sweat and tears!
Agreed. I've always loved Championship white Honda's until this one. The bright blue, yellow and red all work best with the outlandish styling
Yeah i mean if you go over the top OWN IT! Fucking go over the top and beyond! The greens oranges and blues of the ford rs and st‘s was also always cool.
This is why the boost blue is a winner in my book.
Good point. Loud colors for a loud looking car. A lot of vehicles with polarizing designs looked best in crazy colors…the original Mk1 Focus comes to mind.
I feel like the styling is exactly what people tried to turn their civics into 20 years ago.
Wow. So true!
I was one of those guys. Had a 91 LS Integra and 97 EX Civic. Great times.
Exactly 💯💯💯
Really like this model, I have the standard hatchback.
Bit shouty for where I’m from in Manchester though sadly.
In a way, this is appealing to nostalgia of young folks that tuned their cars all those years ago.
I bought my type R in 2017 because I loved the styling and the driving aspect is something I think most would have to experience. However, I moved to Japan in 2018(and still live here) and quickly realized the Type R styling is on par to this specific market. I see Toyota SUV's etc. that look just as "transformer" like but they just never made it to the U.S. or European markets. I do think over time this car will receive more love because it is unique and the driving experience will stand out as a great driving experience from this time period.
I think most people like the Type-R, *despite* its looks, than because of its looks. People are willing to keep their barf-bags handy when approaching the vehicle, with its loud design and most of the plastic vents being thoroughly non-functional, but once behind the wheel, get to enjoy the mechanical tuning and the overall magic of the package.
You can’t really go by the internet. My understanding is that the 10th gen is the greatest selling civic of all time and the reason why CTR are marked up because ppl are willing to pay it. I got lucky and paid below MSRP back in 19. But the car gets a lot of attention and in a good way.
You can’t really go by the internet. My understanding is that the 10th gen is the greatest selling civic of all time and the reason why CTR are marked up because ppl are willing to pay it. I got lucky and paid below MSRP back in 19. But the car gets a lot of attention and in a good way.
garbage 4 cylinder
I wanted one back then, just wasn't out at the time. Was willing to forgive the fake vents.
Type R's are great but I could never afford what the dealers wanted for them.....so I bought a c7 vette....new
wat
My local dealer has an R LE for $71,500 right now. I was shocked when I first saw the price.
And that was the correct choice that you made.
Amen brother, Amen.
@@invertedpolarity6890 Because you litteraly have a Corvette pic.
So for *you* and only *you* the vette is a better choice. This Type R LM edition will cost way more than his C7 one day by far. Even if i agree, the price is too high.
The Gundam styling doesn’t bother me (actually gives some fun opportunities for vanity plate names) but the fact that not a single dealer in a 200 mile radius would let me test drive one when I was in the car market a few years ago did. Awesome car in terms of daily practicality and sportiness but the dealers are absolutely delusional.
What reason did they give for this? I’m curious if they were trying to avoid people hot rodding them under the guise of a test drive
@@313soldier313 I think its the same thing with STI's, etc. Honestly, I wouldnt have bought my type R if it had anything more then 10 miles on it. You have to assume someone was going to take it out and beat the snot out of it
@@313soldier313 Pretty much every dealer that usually deals with commuter NPC cars acts like that, treating anything with a semblance of performance like God's gift to mankind. Meanwhile, a Porsche dealer caught me glimpsing at a Cayman and basically threw the keys at me even after I told him it was way out of my budget.
@@313soldier313 pretty much under the guise of “preserving the mileage for the first owner” and I totally get that you’d want to avoid people pounding on these that aren’t serious but still I’m not signing papers for a 40k car that I can’t drive first and the civic si isn’t remotely close enough for comparison.
Most absurd moment was making an appointment with Main Line Honda outside of Philly and when I got there they didn’t even have the car on the lot to look at and wanted me to sign with about 5k ADM, I honestly gave up on Honda at that point. Mazda dealers had no issue with me driving a Miata, BMW dealers literally got me into an M2 and M4 in under 10 mins, Porsche didn’t give a damn about me test driving a 718, Ford didn’t mind me test driving a frickin Shelby, but a type-R… nope they’re precious gems that you should feel honored that we allowed you to sit in the front seat (SG is spot on they are super comfy).
@@KTH96 I had the exact same experience with Porsche, I walked in and was upfront that a 718 would really be pushing the budget I set aside for a car and they got the keys out and said alright let’s hit the backroads.
I recently purchased a 2021 ctr in sonic grey pearl. Compare to my integra and my crx it's a spaceship, but it is easier to daily put the groceries and kids in the car. Honda has done a great job with this type r.
The low end torque on these is something Honda enthusiasts have never felt and is surely welcome. Great car!
ctr?
@@jasonk3038 civic type r
@@RelaxAndSmokeMeth As a FK8 and S2000 owner... yes the low end torque is so good that when I get in my s2000 it feels broken at first :D
Congrats! You made a great choice in choosing the Type R.
Drove a pre production R in 2017 at a Honda dealership in Germany. One of the most memorable driving experiences I’ve ever had.
You know, for any other RUclips car review channel, this would be their best video they ever did.
For Savagegeese, it's just another Monday morning.
Doug does it better
@@Conconboss No Doug that I know can even remotely compare with the knowledge and thoroughness of the Geese.
@@derekscheeler4544 you must be stupid or not watch dougs video
@@Conconboss the guy nitpicks an XKR-S door locks because he runs out of video content is better ? Lmao
Got my 2021 Boost Blue for $41K. Simply the best FWD automobile ever made. I’ll never sell this car. 💙🇯🇵🇺🇸
41K OTD?! HOW SWAAAAAY?! HOW?!
Boost Blue looks so much better on the 10th gen.
@@Jaylom got my 21' Boost Blue for $39k, they are out there....gotta travel tho
@@Jaylom it was the second one I bought from the dealer. I traded in my 2019 for it. Purchased in January before things went super crazy.
Haha thts what everyone says ill never sell the car....2 years later I'm selling it for a .....
The 10th gen civic will get a lot more love in the future. Honda went bold and its a unique design, you could tell what it was from a distance. Hoping one day the Type R will be available at MSRP without a battle, would love to upgrade from my Si in 5-6 years.
That’s not gonna happen. Dealers will markup even more.
Got my Type R in May for MSRP without battle...they are out there
Very true. I love the how distinctive and sporty the 10th gens look, especially the hatch. To me the 11th gen seems buttoned up and boring.
@@caglioso Yup, distinctively ugly.
@@chrisz5z during a pandemic
Such a shame that many potential owners, myself included, were turned away from this car due to scalping dealers. Years into production and dealerships on the west coast are still asking 5-15k markups on the standard Type Rs.
Yeah but are they actually getting them? A lot of dealers will do that just to see if they get a sucker. If you went in there and played hardball I'd bet they'd come down fast.
@@Dance1617 people are paying the markup. If you check out the forums or used market in California you’ll see that many of the sellers paid on average 5k over MSRP.
I shopped for one for 2 years on and off, contacting dozens of dealerships in the process and sitting at the negotiating table with a few. The lowest a dealership was willing to go was $2k over MSRP with an additional $2k of useless dealership installed “packages” ($4k over). That’s with flawless credit, a fat down payment, and serious on-site offers to buy at MSRP. I hate the idea of paying sticker, but I won’t pay a dime over MSRP as a matter of principle.
It's definitely not just the west coast. Middle of nowhere dealers, basically everyone I call is either sitting on one for $10k to $20k markups (not even the limited edition!) or guarantees that any that come in will get marked up. Super off-putting.
Mind you, I'm not interested in the 10th gen Type R (I fall squarely in the "it's too hideous to be seen in" camp) but am expecting to want the 11th gen car hard.
Double, you are in point. I wound up buying a 2021 Sport Touring because I wasn’t gonna pay the 10k markup. No way. It’s my dream car, but I settled for the 30k Sport Touring because of the outrageous markup.
the dealers are pornographers and should financially castrated
I was number one on the list for a Limited in Fremont CA...When it finally came in they wanted $25k over sticker or about $79k OTD. PASS.
$79k for a Civic? LMAO.
+25k usd on Honda that's pure bayarea madness dude
Shameful
I was wondering how much more they would charge just for shaving 50 lbs. I was hoping they'd shed like 150 lbs or more to make any cost worth it for the LE.
Shows you what they think of car buyers in California.
Had mine since 2018 (UK), best handling car i have ever driven, just eats corners. Wonderful gearbox and you feel clamped to the car with those great seats. Hope the 2022 is as good if not better. Oh and i love how it looks.
Britain is a shadow nation.
@@ClinicalDecisionYikesYT Rude and irrelevant.
@@ClinicalDecisionYikesYT The journey of a group of renowned Rock musicians, led by George Lynch (Dokken/Lynch Mob) on a journey of discovery through music; exposing the injustices done to native Americans?
Had a 2018 Civic Type R and I enjoyed for 3 years. It is such an awesome car, i told myself that i will keep it for as long as i can, but if im gonna keep one I might as well get the one thats going to be on the history books so i decided to sell it and got me the 2021 Limited Edition. Best decision so far
People piss and moan about the styling, but come EV SUV boxes of supreme blandness, I can guarantee you this car and all it stands for will be sorely missed.
As car enthusiasts we should all appreciate Honda for what this was/is - the essence of function over form.
Well said brother, well said 👏👍More than most people don't get it until it's gone and becomes legend....
yeeeeaaaa except you can’t call it function over form when most of the vents are all fake!
Exactly. Car people are a fickle breed.
Nah.
@@christopherbazaka1564 aside from the fake “openings”, all the gundam-esque bits are very functional.
Great video, as usual. I absolutely adore my 2020 CTR. Far and away the most enjoyable car I've owned, over a span of years that included Camaros, Mustangs, various Golfs, Subies, Acuras, and even an Audi S5. Despite the styling (which I have grown to love, as it pisses off boring people who want me to act my age, which is 60 this year), it's actually a very unpretentious car. It's sort of the Toshiro Mifune ronin character in Yojimbo, albeit if Mifune wore a technicolor kimono.
I love my 21 type r in sgp. Its a true drivers car that you can live with everyday. The main downside is every twenty something wants to race you in whatever they are driving.
It's the definition of a drivers car. I absolutely LOVE mine!
20 somethings will race anything while driving anything - the R is a legend
Everything is perfect tho...the camera shots, the info details, the music...why others can't blend everything like Mark does tho
They probably didn’t start off in cinematography and IT like Mark did. I think both of those combined provided him with everything he needed to make well produced videos.
Dougs videos are better
@@Conconboss good troll.
@@jonathanb1987 yh, well placed 🙄
@@Conconboss Why are all your comments praising a special needs kid?
The type r has been one of the most enjoyable cars that I have ever owned. The fact that it is actually practical for everyday use is just a bonus. Don't let the fact that it is wrong wheel drive stop you from testing one out, it just might surprise you.
It being fwd and being able to literally punch above its weight is what makes the type r one of a kind, in a good way.
The understated styling is only missing some neon lights underneath it. To fix the fake engine noise you can also add the 90s civic coffee can muffler mod.
A perfect way to send off a great car. Oddly enough you’ve made 3 videos about this car. Doesn’t that alone show how special it is?
I'm personally hoping the 11th Gen will bring more fake vents, engine noise and and even more dealer markup. Haven't dealers done so much for us that they really deserve more?
Lobby your representatives, dealer markup is avoidable. Here in Ontario (Canada) dealer markups are illegal and they could be where you live too.
Everybody gets a trophy!!
And make sure to be designed by a Playstation GT playing teenager 😂
More moreness! No thanks. It can be just as good and look like a proper car.
Honda: limited edition
Dealers: MSRP+++
A great send-off to a legend! Really well done. I feel more than fortunate that I own one. This car is NEVER leaving the collection. Well done Honda. Well done.
The one thing that's great about the car is that it's doing its own thing. Not trying to be anybody else. Great video as always!
Well said. It seems some people here prefer the cvt noise over the type R. As an owner of a boost blue, it is not as bad as they make it. It sounds like it would have an aftermarket air intake. You for get about it when you drive the CTR because you are more focused on the way the car is fun to drive with the crazy handling, comfort, acceleration, speed and everyday utility of it. It’s not just some weekend only at the track or canyon runner with a v-8 and a trunk/frunk that fits a bowling bag of speeding tickets.
I borrowed a close family friends 2019 Type R one weekend for a trip to Southern Cal from Northern Cal, nearly a 400 mile drive each way. First off, this is a phenomenal car! Simply amazing and fun to drive! It pulls hard all the way up to 7000 rpm, If I didn't pay attention I frequently found myself over 100 mph. Shifting through the gears was engaging and fun. I got a lot of attention on the road, and of course lots of people that wanted to race me. I absolutely loved this car. All that being said, it's just too racy looking for me. I wouldn't mind owning one as a "weekend" driver, but if I had a choice between my IS350 and this, I would pick my IS350 any day of the week. But at least I can say I've driven one, and I intend to "borrow" my friends Type R again!
It’s easy to disable the fake engine noise. I hated that it felt artificial when you put it into +R mode
I rented a Type-R from Turo once and really liked it. Had it for almost a week. In order of amazingness:
The transmission. Ho-lee, the transmission is great. Seriously. REALLY good.
The performance. TON of fun, especially for what it is, what it costs, etc.
The infotainment. Honestly, it worked GREAT for me...no hassle at all.
I'm not sure why Honda is trying to make their car look more "Euro", I liked the Japanese look the 10th generation had.
If you look at all the euro spec R’s, you’ll know they’re the weirder version of the family, from the FD2 to the crazy FN2 and they simply couldn’t go with a subtle JDM style, like we know and love, to sell the car. So lunch trays off the bumpers, hood scoops, flares and the massive spoiler did the trick with sales.
They lost so many sales I’m Europe simply because it was too ridiculous to be seen in. Ticked so many boxes but was unpalatable to the average Golf or Focus buyer and alienated the Civic buyer.
@@IntegraDIY Honda knows their target market really, really well.
They do market research. The Civic still sold well but I’m guessing they could have sold more with less daring styling.
@@seanek9 You guys already have the goofy-looking FK2, leave the FK8 for the ones who want to look ridiculous 🤣. I can tell you from first-hand experience, people love the FK8 and I believe the styling will stand the test of time, and will forever represent the golden era of Honda in North America.
I’ve owned a civic type R since 2017 and I recently purchased a 2021 as a future classic for the shed , and I’m sorry to see them go😞 . Now all I need is a mint DC2 integra type R and I’ll never buy another car again. Come on Honda, make some magic on the new gen please,we all know you can do it👍
I have a 17 FK8 and 98 ITR. It is a wonderful combo!
I am loving this gran turismo lobby music playing in the background
Prices are ridiculous on all used cars right now, but the CTR's are INSANE! Talking $45k+ for a used CTR... at least out on the West Coast.. I had to fly to NYC to find a CTR for a decent deal (CPO 21' w/ 2k miles for $38.9k).. Couldn't have picked a better car for a 2700 mile road trip.. Truly does it all.. Lower it a touch and put on a different wheel/tire combo and it's not so ugly anymore.. especially from the front 3/4 view.
Couldn't ask for a better birthday gift than a Savagegeese video.
Happs bro!!! 🎉
Happy birthday
Have an ultra happy birthday!
Aye I turned 25 today
Have an ultra blast ultraguy
got mine from 2017 Canada release Type R 01528 till these days no regret and enjoyed every ride...
I daily my 2019. The only negative comment I've ever received on the styling was from my snobby friend who thinks the Germans are the be-all end-all builders. I don't disagree, I've owned many. But, I feel lucky to be able to daily a car some can only dream about.
for me, great builders mean you rarely see the mechanic - the Germans keep the mechanics very busy - my first car was a Scirocco and I swore I'd never own a German car again, Dad had Audis and they were a nightmare X2. Replaced w/ Hondas and Acuras and never looked back.
@@stanmarcusgtv I can concur. I currently own one sporty German and it's a real headache.
@@miloslogic thats what Scotty Kilmer keeps saying - and the reason German makes have such low resale value - they are money pits
Owned a couple of german cars, just junk. Maybe its a 2000s VW thing but they have this "feel of quality" then it all falls apart over a few years, in mine I had the wiring loom snap in every door, cloth peeling from the door cards, rubberised crap on the dash goes all sticky and gross. Then it had a massive electrical failure and wouldnt start, mechanic couldnt figure it out so it wasnt worth fixing. I now daily a 30 year old corolla and its better in literally every aspect of quality even though it cost 1/5th the price new.
It's not a bad design but it isn't great, either. New Type R will blow it out of the water simply by being more elegant
This is why this generation was and still is one of my favorites. The civic design peaked here in my opinion ❤ (proud owner of a sporty 2020 EX coupe)
FULL ENGORGEMENT. didn’t expect to be called out like that, i can’t help it watching these quality videos Mr. Goose
Here in Canada, the TypeR was "reasonably" priced as price adjustments are illegal here. These are fun to drive, and really, I like the design since the form follows the function for the most part. Great on track, great seats, phenomenal brakes.
Thank you for finally giving this special car what it deserved. The best all around sports car under 50k in modern history. It really is that special.
"this is the best front wheel drive car ever made" jesus that is high praise coming from you guys.
That edit at 13:27 is just **chef's kiss**
Such a technical, thorough review. No gimmicks, only facts and solid opinions. Good stuff!
For me I liked the styling of this Civic from the start
I never understand why people dunk on cars built around functional aero like the Type R and (although to much more functional extent) the Senna.
@@SanchezS1998 🎯
@@SanchezS1998 huh? A fwd car does not need much of any wing let alone a park bench. All of those vents are fake. What aero is functional?
@@SanchezS1998 point out the functional aero on this car will ya
@@grahamstefaan You eat your lunch off the park bench so you don’t have to get your interior dirty, man. Functional aero. 🤪
Car and Driver has a piece on what’s functional and what’s a e s t h e t i c (for example, the open vents on the front fenders) and it’s debatable if a car that will likely *never* see a track (and would likely need upgrades before it does so seriously) should have such ostentatious design cues built in even if they’re functional at *track* speeds, but to each their own.
Obviously, the aero bits are tacked on to a vehicle designed around commuter practicality and fuel economy with some more meaningful alterations, which is why I added the note that the Senna is built around functional aero to a much greater extent as that car is a contender for peak example of function over form.
EDIT: So “built around functional aero” was admittedly an exaggeration on my part, but the bits most people complain about (like the aforementioned park bench) is functional albeit only at speeds which would cost you your license.
As a 10th gen Si Coupe owner, I am very happy. I do sometimes wish I got the Type R, since I just couldn’t at the time, but this platform is truest great. The most fun I have had in a car that I own, and I’m enjoying it, nearly everyday.
Another great review from Officer Murdoch of the Titanic
"KEEP ORDA!"
This channel should win some kind of award for best auto car review
Surprisingly enough at 400 hp torque steer is less of a problem but *wheel hop* is.
On another note, similar to how f8x M3/4 with equal length midpipes can make the car actually sound great, this car can sound great with the right exhaust setup. What I’ve learned from my previous exhaust setups is that this car needs resonators, and a lot of them. My current exhaust setup has 3 resonators (1 main and 2 rear helmholtz) with a catted downpipe and I think it sounds good. It has a higher note but without the ricer rasp. Definitely not going to be a spoon s2000, but I wouldn’t consider it a bad sound.
Also: from the Facebook groups I’m in most of the owners’ age are high 30s and 40s. Interesting considering the exterior styling.
Wheel hop sucks
@@patrickd1805 solved with an engine mount upgrade!
@@davidato has a 03 stang cobra conv w wheel hop tried everything to get rid of. Traded in a al car 06 s2000
Wheel hop is solved by upgrading the compliance bushings in all the strut based Civics - whiteline and RV6 made kits ....im grabbing the RV6 kit.
Im 41 and been building these Civics/Integras for 25 years. Most of the owners are similar to me, make plenty of money to pay markup and drop another 15 to 25k in mods after the fact lol.
We waited a LONG time for a proper Civic Type R to come - most of us older guys are making up for lost time AND its 100% practical to haul kids/family around if you still have little ones.
I prefer the track/gundam styling - aero is awesome stock and even better with aftermarket aero parts.
If they brought a 2 door integra type R I would probably buy that too lol. Bought a 97 GSR new ....stayed in the family for 20 years....couldnt afford the 10k to 15k markup on the 25k Integra Type R back in 97
I just picked up a boost blue at msrp. It’s witchcraft the way this handles and drives. I understand the over the top styling buts it’s all functional. So I understand the way it looks it will grow on you. I owned an M2 competition and this is better in every way.
Road to 500K Subs! Well Deserved Savage Geese! You bring out the best content to everyone!
The civic type r powered scaffolding car is what I want
They need a Red Bull Edition to celebrate their recent success in F1. #SirMax Performance Edition #ChristianHorner LuxuryEdition #ChecoStyle
Definitely this. Matte midnight blue with deep red/magenta and golden yellow accents would be gorgeous!
SuperMAX
I was hoping them to make the new NSX better tbh.
I have a feeling that the next R will look better but the original will be collectible. I don’t like the look but wouldn’t mind driving it every day. In the end I care much more about what it is and not what it looks like, and I certainly don’t care what others think.
Maybe this 10th gen civic will be a car ahead of its time in terms of styling.
I like the headlights. The fake vents could go though
@ All the haters.
Amazing blend of ride/handling due to good design and adaptive dampers.
Awesome storage.
Reasonable gas mileage.
Insanely reliable.
Quick.
Brakes that will suck your eyes balls out of your face.
Everyone knows the handling prowess, but many don’t realize how light and tossable these are.
Best Seats ever.
Insanity levels of interior space.
In person, they look way less out there than in pics/video. Get a slightly lowered one without the atrocious stock wheels, and it actually looks pretty normal.
To many of us Type R fans/owners, what’s “out there” is a two ton land sled with proportions of a 88 caddy. (Yes I mean mustang/camaro/corvette/and ESPECIALLY challenger).
Trying to reduce weight while also using three muffler exhaust design....
it is a really light exhaust system to be fair, I was surprised.
I’ve had 98 Acura CW Type R, 2000 PY Type R & 2018 CW Civic Type R. The 10th Gen FK8 Type R is a fast car with a very select defect! I’ve
had over 65+; 1st to 2nd gear grind from the 1st grind @ 1,200 miles till the end of owner ship @ 9,118 miles! I was tired to taking it to the dealership & got the run around! This is a nice car with a serious defect & there are 2021 models that still have grind issue. Love the video content! Keep up the great work guys!
The limited edition should’ve had yellow or black seats. The red interior looks terrible in a yellow car
Is that the only styling fault you see in this car?
@@Soul_Younes lol right, out of everything the interior Is the least of our worries.
Funny, during the video I was thinking exactly the opposite. Yellow, black, and red go together well for me. I don't even particularly like red accents in most interiors, but with such a bright paint color they made sense.
@@Soul_Younes Yeah, the styling of this hasn't improved with age. It's a mess. I really like the new hatchback and expect the next Type-R to be much more attractive.
@@markmiller3279 Yeah the new civic is great (minus the grill). I preferred the sedan, the hatchback doesn't look like a hatchback, but more like a “coupe SUV” which I hate. I wish they either gave it more of hatchback/station wagon proportions, or ideally for me: “a sedan shape with a hatch instead of a trunk” (not sure what to call it, but it's my favourite thing). Regardless, it should be great, and definitely better than this overstyled mess.
Matt Farah did a test of the CTR LE (maybe the same car driven here). "It's a great 45K car, BUT NOT A 60/70K CAR"! Thought the same thing when the Type R came out and the dealers were gouging anyone who was willing to take it.
Big points to Mark pronouncing Mugen correctly, though then he caught himself and pronounce it the wrong way again.
Its always been a regional pronunciation problem.
Just moogen
Honestly I debated getting an F80 M3 or a base 981 cayman as my first driver oriented car, however I ended up with an 18 type r. I’ve driven the f80 and it’s awesome, however this car has been amazing to me. It feels like it’s a great mix of many things, since the space is so practical (especially as a new dad).
The other cars would probably be more fun in the canyons but no complaints for me and I honestly don’t think I will sell my car unless I get into something several tiers above just a base f80 or cayman
I was just played the original Mega Man on Friday. I know that sound at that first transition ANYWHERE
Mega man sound effect was perfect
I think you were first person to catch that.
My CTR is “Refrigerator” White and I love it lol
I used to own a 1998 Integra Type R...in Championship coloured white. I used to call in cum coloured white. Now I can't get that description out of my head.
Gran Turismo style music at the start of driving impressions hit me with nostalgia. Great video Guys, thanks!
There is not one car that I test drove since this that led me to thinking of cheating on it . It was love at first sight
These guys make the best reviews..period.
This generation of Civic honestly looks its best as the Type-R. After having driven a regular CVT version of this platform, the styling doesn't match the driving character. It's a commuter car that's wearing the clothing of a sports car. As the Type-R, it's performance lives up to the loud styling. If they have a Type R version of the new generation, I'm very interested to see the design. I definitely won't miss all the ridiculous fake vents.
I think you're right, I recently shopped a 2021 Civic Hatchback and ended up buying a Mazda instead. The Civic was a bit too compromised by the CVT, but I didn't really want to buy a manual. Mazda's 6-speed slushbox is totally acceptable.
Goose didn't mention it, but it's worth bearing in mind the FK8 Type R is a styling evolution of the FN2 Mugen Civic Type R which evolved into the FK2 Civic Type R styling and then this FK8. Folks might not agree with the styling of the FK8, but there is a logic to it. I prefer the smoother lines of the FK2 Type R myself. :)
As a regular commuter car, it handles better than most, arguably better than a Mazda hatch and golf, tho I prefer the golfs steering. But the styling is very loud; my girlfriend has a 10th gen sport hatch and constantly runs into dumb dudes trying to race her, just on account of the cars looks.
I don’t know, I drove the civic sport hatch and even with the cvt it felt like a fun car to whip around, I think it’s definitely sporty enough for what it is.
i loved this car, my favorite civic generation of all time
I hate cars where manufacturers remove things like insulation and sound deadening material, for a very small weight savings. And then make it more expensive. Of course if that's Porsche, then they will also charge you to add some of those things back
Well, I don't think anybody is realistically buying a Limited Edition to drive every day. The regular model is the one to go for.
I love the yellow Type R and I would be so happy to have it in my garage
I will choose this or even a regular Type R over cars like Golf R or AMG A45.
Get use to seeing there taillights disappearing into the night.
Love my 19 Type R Civic and will never sell it. Those things are selling for more than they were new just 2 years ago and now they are used!! I am NOT a fan of the new civic, so dull and boring, if I wanted that I would just buy a full blown Accord. I passed buying a 2000 Integra Type R back in 2000 and I said I would never miss it again and I didn't. I love the styling of the 10th Civics and that's what's great, they are more fun and vibrant than a 11th gen snorefest. I think the design alone will keep the value of the 10th gen cars high for a long time to come. I'm so glad to be a part of this generation of Type R!
internal combustion engine will persist longer than you think. Many people will not buy electric vehicles. I predict several manufacturers will buck the mandate and continue to produce internal combustion engines.
Edison predicted EV 's would replace ICE vehicles in a couple of years. I think he said that @1910.
But this time the European Union has the political ambition to kill the internal combustion engine though, at least in the EU auto market... Between needing to meet Euro 7 emissions regulations and needing to meet 65 g CO2/km fleet average for your vehicles by 2032, you are going to struggle to make a business case for designing new internal combustion engines for the European market. [For reference, this Civic Type R makes 200 g CO2/km so it is nowhere close to meeting the requirements.]
In 2032, Honda would need to sell four EVs for every one Civic Type R they sell in Europe just to balance out their fleet CO2 emissions... Even in 2021 you need to meet 95 g CO2/km in the EU, so two Honda e need to be sold for every one Civic Type R sale in Europe!
This is the best channel for deep-dive car mechanics! Greeting from Brazil! thank you guys for the great content
I think in relation to the time, the civic looks how it always has at this line, FD2 type r, DC5 Type R. I just think it looks like a Type R. At a glance and with no knowledge of cars I feel it's most comparable to current gen STI's. As my GF would say, (both are Loud and Look like "racecars")
I have an LE! Love it, my forever car
Honda: OK, we'll tame the wild / samurai design of the 10th Gen and go with a more conservative, "boring" look in the 11th.
People: Nooo... Not that much !
As an owner of a 2018 civic type r myself. I actually don't mind the styling. I don't LIKE it but I think it's okay when compared to its driving dynamics and practicality
I want to see more of the Mugen R
Annecdotes are not data, but I have gone 69k miles in my 2018 Type R and have had no unexpected repairs. Just have to change the oil, transmission fluid every 26k, and the brakes at 52k. It's been classic Honda reliable for me, and I don't know if I could ask for more from a 36k vehicle.
When I first saw it online I thought it was ugly, BUT I saw one in person, and it is hideous.
God it's fucking horrendous.
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Idk I like it. It doesn't hide it's performance like a lot of other hot hatches. Sure most of the wings and stuff are just for the looks, but I would only reduce them a little bit. I love how the sport(the si in the US?) looks.
@@markeldik7057 The wing is very fonctionnal. The whole car in fact is based on performance.
@@RiasGremoryS54 The wing does provide some downforce yeah, but a lot of the vents and stuff are fake. (At least that's what I remember from reviews around launch)
But if they're functional it's even better. Like I said I think it's a cool car and to me they have only slightly overdone the sporty look.
I think it's mainly we didn't get the previous gen Civic Type R. This gen is similar to the previous gen Mugen Type R. I think this one is the best mainly because it's the 1st model with a turbo. It will be worth the money in the long run. Similar to how the Evo still command a great resale value.
Why I love the new civic. Old ones standmodels looks to bold. that's makes the ctr or si look normal.
I am so glad Honda brought the CTR for the last generation. But I am 1019490 times more excited to see what the Honda engineers + design team are going to do with this second iteration of SI/CTR. Hoping for the best.
Rest of the world got similar dual axis suspension setup with other hot hatch kings like the Focus RS Mk2, Renaultsport Megane, Peugeot 308 GTi
I owned a 2019 CTR in polymetal grey (the best color imo) it was one of the most polarizing cars I've owned, like people were excited to see it on the road. I got thumbs up, people stop me on the street and compliment it unlike any other sports car I had owned. The looks are definitely better in person I will say (but obviously over time it does feel boy racer) 1) probably the best tuned 4 cylinder turbo engine set up from the factory (minus the crappy exhaust) 2) best tuned suspension for daily driving regardless if used the type r+ mode (it never rode like complete trash, though you wished for more customization in the driving modes), 3) the rims and tires on this are overkill to be honest, I will gladly take the Michelin sport cup 2 tires over the continental sport contacts because the amount of gravel those tires pick up is annoying (not to mention the design flaw of rocks getting stuck between the dust shields and the rotors which is definitely a big turn off when your car cost so much and you hear scrapping sounds and it sounds like your car is broken), 4) be prepared for dealer mark ups though I was very fortunate to pay MSRP though I had to travel out of state for that, 5) Lastly be prepared for ridiculous replacement cost for things like rotors and brakes just simply for the rear brakes because it has an electric parking brake (cough $1,200). I took advantage of the ridiculous pandemic and now I'm happily driving a 2021 BMW M2😎 , good luck to everyone out there Definitely a unique car to own
Whenever I see a savagegeese upload the day just gets exponentionally better.
I personally love the staying. But this is not the that I would ever buy. I used to own Si and many other Honda and I am disappointed with transmission. You are about to pay $10000 mark up on the Type R just to have a second gear grind after couple miles. No thank you.
I decided to take a risk and offered my business to a different brand. I got Veloster N PP over 2 years ago. It's holding up great. Has a wonderful sound. You can her the turbo spooling and exhaust popping. Very easy to switch between the driving modes. You can even create your own custom mode and it's not buried deep in the menu. Very easy to use entertainment system.
Is Veloster N as quick as the Type R? No its not. But it's very close. It's also more reliable and much more fun car to drive on the road.
Everytime I don't see a German car on savagegeese; it brightens up my day. 😌
These reviews are such high quality, you really understand what the car is like to drive. Please keep it up!
I hope that the next type R looks better.
It will. Honda learned their lesson I think.
I test drove one used at a Cadillac dealer and was considering trading my 2016 wrx in on it. I walked away when the sticker said 42 grand. My wrx, I purchased brand new and it’s paid off. Granted this was in April of 2020 before the chip shortage hit hard. Still couldn’t justify the purchase even though the car is amazing
@9:54 “This is the best high performance front wheel drive car in existence” you needed to slip “production” in there, we’ve modded fwd cars 20 years ago that will still run circles around the new LE
He said what he said.
This sounds like the same argument 17 year old me would make about how a built, turbo Integra is faster than a Lamborghini - yes, it can be, but at the end of the day, you’re still driving a modded economy car and he’s got a Lamborghini.
@@Vashed555 I'm not talking status, I'm talking performance. And Lamborghini has zero racing history, it's a status, ricer on another level car. At the end of the day, after 2000 honda cheaped out on suspension on the civic. Modded eg/ek fwd civic times around the nurburgring are better than any stock 10th gen type R can ever achieve. In a straight line everyone knows the type R is a dog. The only thing the 17 year olds like about the civic type R is the ease of driving with the rev match.
@@GIZZMOTORSPORTS Let me make this very clear, then - I’m making a point that this argument of “Ackshually, my CRX is faster than this new Type R - LULUL” is as old as time, and pointless. Every ancient FWD car is categorically worse than this mass produced Honda. Full stop. When you start modifying a car, you do so to have fun, because if you do it to achiever internet clout and to make comments to eboys about “running circles around the new Hype R!” then you’re missing the point of enthusiast cars entirely. Be thankful they still make them.
What a pointless, petty, jealous and ancient argument to make on a video like this. 🙄 I feel gross for even engaging it.
@@Vashed555 your grammar and spelling says it all, end of conversation. You losing on many levels.
@@Vashed555 Very true. Guy's sounding like those people that will see any new car and say an old heavily modded supra can beat it because it has 1000hp or whatever. Any car modded for better performance will obviously beat the stock version of that car. Just seems like they want to butt in so they can boast about how their car is better.
Found you a few years ago, really love the direction this channel continues to take. So we’ll balanced.
When did they review a Mugen Civic!? I can’t find it anywhere on the channel.
I used to hate the looks of this car when it came out but now I like it, it grew on me.
as for EV's, Musk/Tesla keeps saying they are a niche - because battery tech isn't there and even if it were, the power plants aren't there and won't be for decades - especially w/ unreliable "green" energy making more and more of the grid. CA just told their denizens not to charge their cars because they don't have the power - and EV's only make up a tiny % of CA vehicles, imagine if they were 50% of the market. So what is CA doing? They are closing Diablo Canyon just like NY just closed Indian Point - both states expect other states to continue to supply their power as they close plants.
As a huge fan of the Type R, and with the Aventador S being my favourite car of all time, I can still understand why people hate the over-styled design of the Type R as they undoubtedly look at it the same way I see the SVJ as being way too outlandish over the base model. I absolutely love what Honda did with the 10th generation hatch and am sad to see the direction they're heading with the 11th. Whether it's the Type R or the regular hatch, I think this Civic is the best-looking car Honda has ever done (with the 2nd-gen CRX being a close runner-up).
The only better looking car is the old Honda/Acura NSX (marketed as Honda in Japan and Acura in the USA) ... and that car is overpriced I would not buy one... I saw an NSX on the highway, I waved and then I took off lol.
Honda is the only Asian car maker that I would consider owning. Well, that and Jack Singapore.
I remember trying to call all dealership in my area to try and order one and they all told me to screw off now they all keeping them to mark them up love it 👍