Microsoft is having massive trouble allocating resources efficiently. They have spend many years trying to reinvent themselves multiple times and it has resulted in mostly failure, they still are mainly just the computer software company. Due to being profitable in a few key areas they will likely survive just fine, but it's pretty clear that they do not know what they are doing.
The Activision acquisition wasn't only about COD... their mobile division makes significantly more money. Gamepass is a terrible model for developers though. A new AAA game that just launched would have the same value as a 20 year old game that is also on Gamepass. Gamepass games miss out on the typical sales spike most new games get and overall consumer behaviour adjusts to renting
The problem with sbmm is that it caters to the most casual low-skill portion of the fanbase. I have found thousands of people agreeing that xdefiant is bad because it lacks sbmm in casual modes. I have no hope for the future of shooters with the direction they’re going.
Most of the people bitching about the presence of SBMM would get smoked without it. Xdefiant will have to implement some version of SBMM at some point because of it's revenue model. Low-skill players wont stick around to be cannon fodder. They will go back to CoD or go play something else. Players cant buy skins from your store if they're not logging in. There's far too many videos of folks bragging about winning 19 out of 20 matches, or dropping 35 kills - which means there are folks on the other side of the equation who are convinced the game sucks because of their experience. SBMM doesn't just factor in your skill level - there are multiple components to it. There's a blog post from earlier this year on how it works.
I agree, gamepass is not good for the industry. I'm surprised so many people root for it when we have already seen how subscription services turn out with the low quality slop pushed by netflix/amazon prime/etc
I dont think its so bad because if people buy it then nothing would be wrong and we wouldnt be saying anything if xbox met there goal of 100m ganepass people but if gamepass causes xbox as a whole to close? then thats bad cause sony would 100000% improve their own and will definitely increase games from 70$ to because the only other competition is nintendo and they know people will always buy there games and would follow suit
How could you be surprised? The value proposition for people who play actual games is unrivaled. There's almost 500 games on gamepass for console and over 400 for PC. The value proposition has to be there for the developers as well or they wouldn't be entering into agreements with Microsoft. I've discovered tons of great games over the last year alone - stuff I wouldn't have risked buying.
@opathoris That is the problem in a nutshell. Gamepass is great *short term* for us consumers because it's a steal of a deal if you play a lot of games. Gamepass is good for 3rd party developers because they get a guaranteed profit on their game. It is not a good deal for Microsoft/Xbox though, if you look closely at how much they are spending to get and keep games on gamepass vs how much they actually make through subscriptions you will see its not profitable. The problem is that Microsoft will either increase gamepass prices over time to compensate, and/or they will start to bring cheaper and cheaper games over to compensate for their overall profit loss on gamepass. So what once was a good deal for us turns into tons of low quality slop and increased subscription prices. This is the exact cycle netflix, Amazon prime, etc have gone through
@@opathoris How many players who subscribe to gamepass actually get their moneys worth. If you compare the prices of games on pc to the console stores you will eventually save money, even if you spend a lot building a PC. My point is that some of the people who buy gamepass spend 90 percent of their time playing fortnight anyways. Those people are not getting value out of gamepass. Gamepass only seems good because console players are so used to getting it up the arse.
@@malachor5ve Gamepass generates $3-4 Billion per year in revenue. Microsoft is not paying 10 million on average for each game in the catalog, so it’s a safe assumption MS is generating some free cash flow from GamePass. Moreover, Microsoft outright owns a large portion of the games in the catalog. Gamepass is additive to the overall Microsoft operating margin. The average review score of the gamepass catalog is higher than that of Steam. Microsoft doesn’t let just anything on GP. Microsoft didn’t become the most valuable company in the world by accident. I’ve seen this argument about how GamePass hurts consumers and the game industry. It’s nonsense. Long term, it helps devs that would have gone under otherwise. Sure, there are some devs that could have made more if they didn’t use GP, but then their game may have never reached a large audience.
I am cheering this decision on because I have wanted the Call of Duty franchise to die for over half a decade now and this is the best chance I'll get even close to that.
i cancelled my gamepass. it's really not worth the the price. if you buy the 5 games you play each year on it you get to keep those games and also save money.
Exactly. I bet the deals that microsoft has struck with developers is like a royalty system. Microsoft probably doles out a certain amount of money every time a user on gamepass downloads a game for the first time. If what I said is true, then gamepass would make a killing. all the people I know who have it hardly utilize it. They all play fortnight or something anyways lol
@@AmramGames my understanding is that every deal is unique. for a lot of games they just fund the development costs (or a decent chunk) for a year of gamepass after launch. but i'd bet the bigger devs have different deals based on downloads, etc.
So you assume most people just play five games? Great argument to start with. Not. Also game pass allows me to buy games for a lot less than what you have to pay. And since I am an avid gamer it saved me more money than you can imagine. I guess you are this five games for half a lifetime gamer. Your thing.
@@niemand7811 there are maybe 5 games a year max that aren’t bargain bin to hit gamepass is what i’m saying. Not everyone will like all 5. You’re always renting, you never own anything. Great deal for xbox.
I honestly don't think COD in Game Pass is going to hurt anything. If more people subscribe to Game Pass, it's a win. If people buy it on PlayStation or Xbox at full price, they still win. If you buy it on PC (not to mention that you're likely running Windows on your gaming PC) they still win! If it was an Xbox exclusive or only on Game Pass, I could understand the concern, but looking at this as a whole it's a good move.
Not Sure How I found this channel but its so refreshing to hear somebody ask the same damn questions I have had for a while now. Nobody and I repeat nobody can tell you how Gamepass actually works. Where is the breakdown of how much each developer makes and how much it is costing XBOX to run this service. Nobody knows. So, These numbers they throw around often times make no sense. I dont think any other company could actually pull this off except for Microsoft which is essentially the largest corporation on the face of the earth. A 3 Trillion dollar Company. I think gamepass breeds mediocrity and lack luster games because the excuse is "Well I didn't have to pay Full Price for it. So, If it Sucks it doesn't really matter." This is not good for gaming. Not good for the Devs. Not good for the Future."
I think people will either game pass or buy the game the game is going to sell well regardless. I dont want to pay 70 dollars or more for call of duty i mainly play it for story mode or zombies.
The difference between microsoft and sony is huge. Microsoft's gaming division can hemorrhage money constantly because they provide every major institution with software. Hopefully we are seeing the end of consoles, PCs are becoming cheaper to build again and you can get much better deals on games via the steam and other stores. When gamepass first came out I thought it could be a good thing. After seeing what has happened with redfall and Back 4 Blood I realized just how bad it actually is. The only reason people are still subscribed to gamepass is because it comes with xbox live, which is needed to play games online (unless it is free to play quite ironically). What we are seeing almost seems like an intentional disruption of the market by Microsoft. They are using their almost infinite coffers to buy out competitors and then shut them down.
Two things. One, sounds like wah wah wah. Two, with them buying Activision does that mean we might get Spider-Man and Spider-Man 2: Enter Electro added to the Game Pass?
I don't care about console wars. People game or don't game and spend their own money for themselves. The games industry was always going to stutter now because during the pandemic there was an exploded market as everyone was shut indoors with time on their hands, a subsequent contraction was not only inevitable but predicted by major players like Nintendo who made this clear at their investor meetings going back to the time. At the end of the day MS own Activision so they get to say how the business operates, if you don't like it spend your money elsewhere.
Game pass is meant for older games not new ones , Xbox kills itself without even knowing but since they have chosen to stay on that path clearly it seems game pass is more important than selling more consoles
Unfortunately, game pass is meant to be the “ease in” portion of making not owning games industry standard. I was wondering why they emphasized streaming and cloud services excuses when handling the FTC case. They have possibly the biggest console franchise in the world to test and execute whatever bull they want. I do think that this will manifest first for mobile games when full forced.
I just don't think the value is nearly as good as people claim. 17 bucks a month * 12.... That's a lot of money I can spend on games. People are like oh but you're going to spend 70 bucks on one game so obviously it's better to buy game.. I don't buy $70 games. I wait for them to drop in price. I rarely pay more than 20 $25 for a game and sometimes I am able to find really cool games for 5 bucks.
How did Xbox AGREE to pay 70 billion dollars? Yet they're still struggling in the game department!? Now they're complaining about profits while putting everything into Xbox Gamepass? Their putting new games day 1 on Gamepass.. They are actively sabotaging their own business structure. How do they think they aren't destroying their game company? We aren't seeing Xbox succeed at game development. If you grew up in the 90's, It really did feel like the future of gaming was going to be awesome. It wasn't about graphics. It was physics effects, art styles, a range of gameplay modes, gameplay mechanics, damage effects, environmental interaction, engaging AI to play against in single player mode, CPU bots in offline modes, just good AI in games campaigns. Current video games focus on graphical nitpicking. It seems they forgot how much players enjoyed physics effects & other aspects that make games fun. Quirky graphics can work, if a creative art style is used. Add engaging CPU AI, gameplay modes, the list goes on.. idk what happened? Also: {We have seen that even if companies delay games, it isn't improving the quality of games being released. Which is a sign there is a MUCH DEEPER issue going on with modern games. No excuses, devs used to make great games with much less and they would have given anything to have certain capabilities to utilize that are available today. It just takes actual passion, focus & talent to make great games. Sidenote: It's so crazy how many people are still supporting super mega rich companies putting out unacceptable products.. i don't understand certain people. I don't understand how certain companies can be messing up so badly. It's frustrating that other passionate people are not allowed to make a version of a type of game that we used to have but no longer get anymore.. Yet these huge companies get full control over if an unused game IP gets made & they do everything they can so no other versions of a game idea will ever come out. Even if there's a huge fan base around certain ideas and there's a ton of passionate devs out there dying to make a version of a certain video game idea.. that frustrates me beyond belief} Imagine, what if all Dev's who work under the Xbox umbrella Legit QUIT and leave them ONLY with the Highest paid Higher ups who are useless? Let's see how that plays out? Devs could group together and they could make passion projects. Give power back to the devs who are the most valuable assets & do most of the work. Enough with these soulless corporate robots
The hell is even your problem? You were always an averse enemy of the game pass. We got that.But now you trivialize about numbers they do not deliver for you. To do what with that anyway? W9nk1ng over numbers? Besides you know why Microsoft is not going anywhere as I assume most people here do NOT have a computer that is NOT a Microsoft product license based one. PC business is still their main current. And as long as they flows they can maintain their game pass model even if it would sink in a little bit. But so far this is just a blind assumption om your side now. Babble on hater.
it's almost $20/month with taxes and most games on gamepass are like $5 sale type games. The $70 games you get to play you don't keep when you cancel, so yeah it's a rip.
Hundreds of games that the average user will never even download lol. Most everyone I know who buys gamepass only plays like 3 games, and two of them are fortnight and rocket league, which are both free. The only game Ive seen my buddy play is Dead rising 2, which could probably be bought for less than $10 on steam.
@@chadwolf3840 It is 15 bucks. What taxes? And many games tome are cheaper because of my game pass membership. Cashing in on Tekken 7 for just 20 bucks, and I talk about the complete edition, that would have cost 115 bucks otherwise? There are more examples like that. i have build a game collection in no time and saved a fuck load of money as well.
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Microsoft is having massive trouble allocating resources efficiently.
They have spend many years trying to reinvent themselves multiple times and it has resulted in mostly failure, they still are mainly just the computer software company.
Due to being profitable in a few key areas they will likely survive just fine, but it's pretty clear that they do not know what they are doing.
I love how he says he *used to* post ragebait content except that's exactly what this is
Yes, because it's something you don't like to hear 😂
Dangerously pro consumer
The Activision acquisition wasn't only about COD... their mobile division makes significantly more money.
Gamepass is a terrible model for developers though. A new AAA game that just launched would have the same value as a 20 year old game that is also on Gamepass. Gamepass games miss out on the typical sales spike most new games get and overall consumer behaviour adjusts to renting
The problem with sbmm is that it caters to the most casual low-skill portion of the fanbase. I have found thousands of people agreeing that xdefiant is bad because it lacks sbmm in casual modes. I have no hope for the future of shooters with the direction they’re going.
Most of the people bitching about the presence of SBMM would get smoked without it. Xdefiant will have to implement some version of SBMM at some point because of it's revenue model. Low-skill players wont stick around to be cannon fodder. They will go back to CoD or go play something else. Players cant buy skins from your store if they're not logging in.
There's far too many videos of folks bragging about winning 19 out of 20 matches, or dropping 35 kills - which means there are folks on the other side of the equation who are convinced the game sucks because of their experience.
SBMM doesn't just factor in your skill level - there are multiple components to it. There's a blog post from earlier this year on how it works.
I agree, gamepass is not good for the industry. I'm surprised so many people root for it when we have already seen how subscription services turn out with the low quality slop pushed by netflix/amazon prime/etc
I dont think its so bad because if people buy it then nothing would be wrong and we wouldnt be saying anything if xbox met there goal of 100m ganepass people but if gamepass causes xbox as a whole to close? then thats bad cause sony would 100000% improve their own and will definitely increase games from 70$ to because the only other competition is nintendo and they know people will always buy there games and would follow suit
How could you be surprised? The value proposition for people who play actual games is unrivaled. There's almost 500 games on gamepass for console and over 400 for PC. The value proposition has to be there for the developers as well or they wouldn't be entering into agreements with Microsoft. I've discovered tons of great games over the last year alone - stuff I wouldn't have risked buying.
@opathoris That is the problem in a nutshell. Gamepass is great *short term* for us consumers because it's a steal of a deal if you play a lot of games. Gamepass is good for 3rd party developers because they get a guaranteed profit on their game. It is not a good deal for Microsoft/Xbox though, if you look closely at how much they are spending to get and keep games on gamepass vs how much they actually make through subscriptions you will see its not profitable.
The problem is that Microsoft will either increase gamepass prices over time to compensate, and/or they will start to bring cheaper and cheaper games over to compensate for their overall profit loss on gamepass. So what once was a good deal for us turns into tons of low quality slop and increased subscription prices. This is the exact cycle netflix, Amazon prime, etc have gone through
@@opathoris How many players who subscribe to gamepass actually get their moneys worth. If you compare the prices of games on pc to the console stores you will eventually save money, even if you spend a lot building a PC. My point is that some of the people who buy gamepass spend 90 percent of their time playing fortnight anyways. Those people are not getting value out of gamepass. Gamepass only seems good because console players are so used to getting it up the arse.
@@malachor5ve Gamepass generates $3-4 Billion per year in revenue. Microsoft is not paying 10 million on average for each game in the catalog, so it’s a safe assumption MS is generating some free cash flow from GamePass. Moreover, Microsoft outright owns a large portion of the games in the catalog. Gamepass is additive to the overall Microsoft operating margin. The average review score of the gamepass catalog is higher than that of Steam. Microsoft doesn’t let just anything on GP. Microsoft didn’t become the most valuable company in the world by accident.
I’ve seen this argument about how GamePass hurts consumers and the game industry. It’s nonsense. Long term, it helps devs that would have gone under otherwise. Sure, there are some devs that could have made more if they didn’t use GP, but then their game may have never reached a large audience.
I am cheering this decision on because I have wanted the Call of Duty franchise to die for over half a decade now and this is the best chance I'll get even close to that.
The feeling is mutual.
i cancelled my gamepass. it's really not worth the the price. if you buy the 5 games you play each year on it you get to keep those games and also save money.
Exactly. I bet the deals that microsoft has struck with developers is like a royalty system. Microsoft probably doles out a certain amount of money every time a user on gamepass downloads a game for the first time.
If what I said is true, then gamepass would make a killing. all the people I know who have it hardly utilize it. They all play fortnight or something anyways lol
@@AmramGames my understanding is that every deal is unique. for a lot of games they just fund the development costs (or a decent chunk) for a year of gamepass after launch. but i'd bet the bigger devs have different deals based on downloads, etc.
So you assume most people just play five games? Great argument to start with. Not. Also game pass allows me to buy games for a lot less than what you have to pay. And since I am an avid gamer it saved me more money than you can imagine. I guess you are this five games for half a lifetime gamer. Your thing.
@@niemand7811 there are maybe 5 games a year max that aren’t bargain bin to hit gamepass is what i’m saying. Not everyone will like all 5. You’re always renting, you never own anything. Great deal for xbox.
I just renewed till end of 2025 with a 25% sale, no price hike for me until then lol.
Can you make a video about Mac vs windows? I feel like this needs to be talked about
macOS sadly just sucks for gaming.
@@ThunderFlame27No need. Everybody knows that apple is overpriced trash.
Windows is better for gaming, Mac is better in every other way IMO, but I know not everyone will agree.
@@ec5657we have to get him to make a RUclips video about this because this argument has been more common when it comes to windows vs Mac
@@ec5657 Except for price.
Actually fully understand what you're talking about challenge: IMPOSSIBLE
I honestly don't think COD in Game Pass is going to hurt anything. If more people subscribe to Game Pass, it's a win. If people buy it on PlayStation or Xbox at full price, they still win. If you buy it on PC (not to mention that you're likely running Windows on your gaming PC) they still win! If it was an Xbox exclusive or only on Game Pass, I could understand the concern, but looking at this as a whole it's a good move.
Excellent take
As a gamer who plays all consoles and pc i am starting to lose interest in gaming at this point
Not Sure How I found this channel but its so refreshing to hear somebody ask the same damn questions I have had for a while now. Nobody and I repeat nobody can tell you how Gamepass actually works. Where is the breakdown of how much each developer makes and how much it is costing XBOX to run this service. Nobody knows. So, These numbers they throw around often times make no sense. I dont think any other company could actually pull this off except for Microsoft which is essentially the largest corporation on the face of the earth. A 3 Trillion dollar Company. I think gamepass breeds mediocrity and lack luster games because the excuse is "Well I didn't have to pay Full Price for it. So, If it Sucks it doesn't really matter." This is not good for gaming. Not good for the Devs. Not good for the Future."
I think people will either game pass or buy the game the game is going to sell well regardless. I dont want to pay 70 dollars or more for call of duty i mainly play it for story mode or zombies.
The difference between microsoft and sony is huge. Microsoft's gaming division can hemorrhage money constantly because they provide every major institution with software. Hopefully we are seeing the end of consoles, PCs are becoming cheaper to build again and you can get much better deals on games via the steam and other stores.
When gamepass first came out I thought it could be a good thing. After seeing what has happened with redfall and Back 4 Blood I realized just how bad it actually is. The only reason people are still subscribed to gamepass is because it comes with xbox live, which is needed to play games online (unless it is free to play quite ironically). What we are seeing almost seems like an intentional disruption of the market by Microsoft. They are using their almost infinite coffers to buy out competitors and then shut them down.
Lucky for me I don't play online I just play Zombies and it's trayarch so u have faith and I don't gotta pay a dime so I'm prefectly fine
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Two things.
One, sounds like wah wah wah.
Two, with them buying Activision does that mean we might get Spider-Man and Spider-Man 2: Enter Electro added to the Game Pass?
It would probably be a Ubisoft situation imo.
@@dawn4637 Ubisoft didn't make those two games. They were made by Activision and Neversoft.
@ComaAlpha I meant when Activision comes to xbox it would probably another subscription like ubisoft+
@@dawn4637 then I misunderstood your comment. My apologies.
Probably not, licenses tend to have limited lifespans locked in and Sony owns the rights to Spidey outright.
I don't care about console wars. People game or don't game and spend their own money for themselves. The games industry was always going to stutter now because during the pandemic there was an exploded market as everyone was shut indoors with time on their hands, a subsequent contraction was not only inevitable but predicted by major players like Nintendo who made this clear at their investor meetings going back to the time. At the end of the day MS own Activision so they get to say how the business operates, if you don't like it spend your money elsewhere.
16:52, they want their world views validated not challenged.
no its not
Game pass is meant for older games not new ones , Xbox kills itself without even knowing but since they have chosen to stay on that path clearly it seems game pass is more important than selling more consoles
Unfortunately, game pass is meant to be the “ease in” portion of making not owning games industry standard. I was wondering why they emphasized streaming and cloud services excuses when handling the FTC case. They have possibly the biggest console franchise in the world to test and execute whatever bull they want. I do think that this will manifest first for mobile games when full forced.
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I just don't think the value is nearly as good as people claim. 17 bucks a month * 12.... That's a lot of money I can spend on games. People are like oh but you're going to spend 70 bucks on one game so obviously it's better to buy game..
I don't buy $70 games. I wait for them to drop in price. I rarely pay more than 20 $25 for a game and sometimes I am able to find really cool games for 5 bucks.
How did Xbox AGREE to pay 70 billion dollars? Yet they're still struggling in the game department!? Now they're complaining about profits while putting everything into Xbox Gamepass? Their putting new games day 1 on Gamepass.. They are actively sabotaging their own business structure. How do they think they aren't destroying their game company? We aren't seeing Xbox succeed at game development.
If you grew up in the 90's, It really did feel like the future of gaming was going to be awesome. It wasn't about graphics. It was physics effects, art styles, a range of gameplay modes, gameplay mechanics, damage effects, environmental interaction, engaging AI to play against in single player mode, CPU bots in offline modes, just good AI in games campaigns. Current video games focus on graphical nitpicking. It seems they forgot how much players enjoyed physics effects & other aspects that make games fun. Quirky graphics can work, if a creative art style is used. Add engaging CPU AI, gameplay modes, the list goes on.. idk what happened?
Also:
{We have seen that even if companies delay games, it isn't improving the quality of games being released. Which is a sign there is a MUCH DEEPER issue going on with modern games. No excuses, devs used to make great games with much less and they would have given anything to have certain capabilities to utilize that are available today. It just takes actual passion, focus & talent to make great games. Sidenote: It's so crazy how many people are still supporting super mega rich companies putting out unacceptable products.. i don't understand certain people. I don't understand how certain companies can be messing up so badly. It's frustrating that other passionate people are not allowed to make a version of a type of game that we used to have but no longer get anymore.. Yet these huge companies get full control over if an unused game IP gets made & they do everything they can so no other versions of a game idea will ever come out. Even if there's a huge fan base around certain ideas and there's a ton of passionate devs out there dying to make a version of a certain video game idea.. that frustrates me beyond belief}
Imagine, what if all Dev's who work under the Xbox umbrella Legit QUIT and leave them ONLY with the Highest paid Higher ups who are useless? Let's see how that plays out? Devs could group together and they could make passion projects. Give power back to the devs who are the most valuable assets & do most of the work. Enough with these soulless corporate robots
The hell is even your problem? You were always an averse enemy of the game pass. We got that.But now you trivialize about numbers they do not deliver for you. To do what with that anyway? W9nk1ng over numbers? Besides you know why Microsoft is not going anywhere as I assume most people here do NOT have a computer that is NOT a Microsoft product license based one. PC business is still their main current. And as long as they flows they can maintain their game pass model even if it would sink in a little bit. But so far this is just a blind assumption om your side now. Babble on hater.
why you hurting? its just video games get over it
Game $70 complain. Gamepass hundreds of good games for $15/month, still complain
Another BS video
it's almost $20/month with taxes and most games on gamepass are like $5 sale type games. The $70 games you get to play you don't keep when you cancel, so yeah it's a rip.
@@chadwolf3840 I'm not charged taxes on my GP sub - what state are you in?
Hundreds of games that the average user will never even download lol. Most everyone I know who buys gamepass only plays like 3 games, and two of them are fortnight and rocket league, which are both free. The only game Ive seen my buddy play is Dead rising 2, which could probably be bought for less than $10 on steam.
@@chadwolf3840 It is 15 bucks. What taxes? And many games tome are cheaper because of my game pass membership. Cashing in on Tekken 7 for just 20 bucks, and I talk about the complete edition, that would have cost 115 bucks otherwise? There are more examples like that. i have build a game collection in no time and saved a fuck load of money as well.
@@AmramGames So your buddy is a predictable zombie. Most game pass users are not that brain dead.