The noise does not bother me, being slightly mutton and all....the obvious improvements are definitely worth it....like the NH series they'll never be wow movements but let's be honest at the budget end we want reliability and cheap replacements rather than expensive servicing....many may argue but these things can run just as accurately and reliably as many of the swiss options....🏴⌚🏴⌚
True, they've never been seen as more than what they are, but if you look at a picture of the 8315, it's really nice now, so it could be used more widely with an exhibition caseback which is great. I'm looking forward to seeing it become more widely adopted. Thanks mate
I like my 8215S. The noise never bothered me. The new movement is great. That bump in power reserve hopefully will make seiko upgrade the 35/36/4r. More movements make more interesting watches. Great review. Thank you again 👍👊
Fair enough, for me it's just a sign there's a design flaw but I can see why it wouldn't bother you. Agree I hope seiko does see these and beef up their entry level stuff. But I don't think they will as then it would be too close to the 6R range
Why is the stutter a problem? I always thought that it protected the movement and I never noticed the stutter until I read about it and forced mine to do it.
Still not convinced that the "Hacking" action is really all that a deal breaker we are not talking high end movements and their plus and minus per day makes it a moot point in my opinion. I would use the 8215 in a retro reboot for authenticity.
Fair enough mate, I personally really like it, especially for syncing my watch with my phone but I never thought of that. Could be a cool option for that type of watch
Nice comparison bro! I would like that for the next comparison (821a vs 8315) you show the movements to be able to observe the differences in appearance. I understand that the 8315 has blued screws. Greetings from Peru.
could you mention ghost date issues? as I understand, the 8215 does have such. not sure about the 8315. or honestly, if I should care, other than people always mention ghost date, as if something bad.
Unrelated but I really need your help. I also have a small wrist (6.25”) and I’m planning to buy a submariner homage. I’m choosing between San martin sn017-g and Cronos L6005 (no date & fully lumed). Both have nh35. The San martin being 19 usd cheaper because of the 7.7 sale in my country. I really like the no date and bracelet & clasp of the Cronos but because of my wrist size, San martin might be a safer choice because of it’s thickness and shorter effective l2l. Also based on what I heard the San martin has overall better quality than the Cronos. So what do you think I should get??
Tough choice, both are great. I haven't had the san martin in for review but I have the cronos and it was superb, but then again san martin are great too. I'd check RUclips and watch some reviews on both and see which is the best fit for what you want. Appreciate you watching
Couldn’t tell from the video, but does the 8315 have an occasional stuttering/jittering seconds hand like the 8215? It’s normal, from the indirect drive…but I haven’t heard if 8315 is direct drive or not.
You mentioned that the 8315 movement is more expensive but by how much? What might that do to the budget watch market? I prefer a hacking movement so would like to see it introduced widely if it’s priced competitively against other hacking movements.
Someone mentioned that it's around £40 so $50 ish American should be around the ballpark. Anymore then you may as well buy the 9000 series. But I can't confirm whether this is accurate yet.
I think they're both ok and San Martin obviously uses them as a way to offer different price points, but one thing that does bother me is when they put their more pricey movements into a watch and then go and butcher it by putting three different logos on it.
What a coincidence I was researching this a few mins ago when looking at The Camden Watch Company releasing a Kick Starter on a new model with the Miyota in it. Both around £40 for the movement alone. I don’t really mind the noise to be fair. It’s a bearing upgrade right? 60 hrs reserve is awesome and both movements are similar accuracy right? For me it’s all about decent accuracy and power reserve. There is a possible dislike with the stuttering seconds though. Not a massive issue and at 21,600 bph to be expected really. Thoughts?
It's had a few upgrades, hacking, the extra power reserve, it looks nicer and maintains the same accuracy and beat rate. So far it's been great, but it does need field testing to see how it holds up, but I think it'll be great in the long run. Cheers mate
Interesting content! Well I could predict the winner out of these two! 😆 I believe the 8315 is essentially an 821A with a longer main spring. This is no bad thing as I already liked the 821A. I hope we will see many more watch brands use this movement. Because some competition between this and the Seiko NH series will help to keep the prices down.
I get that, the 8315 is now definitely more in line with the nh35 but with a monster power reserve. Pt are awesome too, hopefully will get one to compare against this. Thanks
Too bad. I understand why. I think the noise tells you it's working. It's just character that adds to a watch. I'd say it was garbage if it was inaccurate or if they broke but I bought beater watches that's are accurate and don't die. Just my opinion. 😊 thanks for the ear.
A fairly useless comparison video as conclusion stuck out a mile from the outset..... To forego buying a nice watch because it could have had an NH35 or a 8315 movement inside, but has a 8215 instead is to my mind, rather silly.
It takes time and effort to put together videos for viewers. Be courteous to utubers. I don't see you with a channel. Why don't you put yourself out there and let viewers comment on your efforts on how "fairly useless" your presentation was because believe me there will be some who think exactly that. Can you take the medicine you dish out. I think not.
@@stephanieroberts1394 I didn't ask anyone to start a youtube channel, Wes came up with that out of his own accord now, didn't he? Just to fawn over content just because it's there is pretty useless. The comment was not rude or abrasive so I really have no idea what your gripe amounts to.
@@stephanieroberts1394 Steph, it is quite easy to turn your "argument" around: "It takes time and effort to put together watches for buyers. Be courteous to watch makers. I don't see Wes designing and producing watches. Why doesn't he put himself out there and let youtubers comment on his efforts on how "fairly useless" his are because, believe me, there will be some who think exactly that. Can he take the medicine he dishes out. I think not." In other words, you don't have to be a watch maker yourself to be critical of watches, neither do you have to be a youtuber in order to be critical of someone's content.
Hey guys, what do you think of the new 8315, has it been worth waiting for? Thanks for watching and have a great day
The noise does not bother me, being slightly mutton and all....the obvious improvements are definitely worth it....like the NH series they'll never be wow movements but let's be honest at the budget end we want reliability and cheap replacements rather than expensive servicing....many may argue but these things can run just as accurately and reliably as many of the swiss options....🏴⌚🏴⌚
True, they've never been seen as more than what they are, but if you look at a picture of the 8315, it's really nice now, so it could be used more widely with an exhibition caseback which is great. I'm looking forward to seeing it become more widely adopted. Thanks mate
Nice side by side comparison. Haven't tried a watch with the 8315 but hope to soon. Thanks.
Thank you Bob, it's definitely better than the 8215 but compared to others, that is something I'm yet to try.
Great to see these together
Cheers mate, appreciate you watching
I like my 8215S. The noise never bothered me. The new movement is great. That bump in power reserve hopefully will make seiko upgrade the 35/36/4r. More movements make more interesting watches. Great review. Thank you again 👍👊
Fair enough, for me it's just a sign there's a design flaw but I can see why it wouldn't bother you. Agree I hope seiko does see these and beef up their entry level stuff. But I don't think they will as then it would be too close to the 6R range
Great video. Not a lot of videos on the 8315 so it's nice to see a comparison and what you get with the new movement. 👏
Thanks Tom, appreciate that. Have a good one
Great video! Are you able to do any budget watches that look like an rm 011?
I can certainly take a look and see what I can find. Thanks for the suggestion
Hey B. Another great head to head.
Cheers mate, appreciate it
Awesome comparison mate definitely nice they upgraded the movement I have a few 8215 haven't had any problems with them
Cheers matey and me neither, so I'm glad they've kept all the good stuff and just made it better. I guess the real test is to see how it holds up.
@@WesWatchRoom yep that gonna be the fun part seeing how it holds up
@@watchsixto I'll be revisiting again down the line and seeing if it still feels solid
@@WesWatchRoom hopefully you'll do a year review
@@watchsixto that would be a good idea. I'll have to see what happens. Have a good one mate
The biggest issue was the stutter 8215 and indirect drive of the seconds hand so has this been changed to a direct drive to remove the stutter
It was a big problem but it's gone now thankfully. Appreciate your support mate
Why is the stutter a problem? I always thought that it protected the movement and I never noticed the stutter until I read about it and forced mine to do it.
@@wafarris i service watches and the design just really annoys me.
Still not convinced that the "Hacking" action is really all that a deal breaker we are not talking high end movements and their plus and minus per day makes it a moot point in my opinion. I would use the 8215 in a retro reboot for authenticity.
Fair enough mate, I personally really like it, especially for syncing my watch with my phone but I never thought of that. Could be a cool option for that type of watch
You aught to compare rotor noise with the backs off. Case thickness might explain the difference.
That's a really good idea, I'll have to try that in a separate video now. Thanks for the suggestion
What is the actual accuracy of each of the two?
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Nice comparison bro! I would like that for the next comparison (821a vs 8315) you show the movements to be able to observe the differences in appearance. I understand that the 8315 has blued screws. Greetings from Peru.
Thanks mate and I'll see about getting that done for the comparison.
could you mention ghost date issues? as I understand, the 8215 does have such. not sure about the 8315. or honestly, if I should care, other than people always mention ghost date, as if something bad.
It does seem to have a ghost date position yes, but I don't really care to be fair. Thanks
Unrelated but I really need your help. I also have a small wrist (6.25”) and I’m planning to buy a submariner homage. I’m choosing between San martin sn017-g and Cronos L6005 (no date & fully lumed). Both have nh35. The San martin being 19 usd cheaper because of the 7.7 sale in my country. I really like the no date and bracelet & clasp of the Cronos but because of my wrist size, San martin might be a safer choice because of it’s thickness and shorter effective l2l. Also based on what I heard the San martin has overall better quality than the Cronos. So what do you think I should get??
Tough choice, both are great. I haven't had the san martin in for review but I have the cronos and it was superb, but then again san martin are great too. I'd check RUclips and watch some reviews on both and see which is the best fit for what you want. Appreciate you watching
Couldn’t tell from the video, but does the 8315 have an occasional stuttering/jittering seconds hand like the 8215? It’s normal, from the indirect drive…but I haven’t heard if 8315 is direct drive or not.
I think they upgraded to a direct drive as I haven't noticed any stutter at all. Thanks
My understanding is it does not have direct drive.
8315 in my Wolbrook/ Douglas Outrider.
Can I take out a 8215 from my watch and replace it with a 8315, straight swap ?
Not sure to be fair, I think it could potentially be possible. Check the website for full size specs and see if they're the same
@@WesWatchRoom I checked after watching. Yes, it's a straight drop in swap . Everything's the same size despite the huge power increase
You mentioned that the 8315 movement is more expensive but by how much? What might that do to the budget watch market? I prefer a hacking movement so would like to see it introduced widely if it’s priced competitively against other hacking movements.
Someone mentioned that it's around £40 so $50 ish American should be around the ballpark. Anymore then you may as well buy the 9000 series. But I can't confirm whether this is accurate yet.
Does the rotor wind in both directions now or is the reduced noise just because?
It's still one way but it's had a re-design and new bearings I believe which makes it quieter. Thanks
@@WesWatchRoom I have the newer version in the Citizen Tsuyosa and it is much, much quieter.
What's the accuracy like in real life?
Pretty good and in some cases better than the equivalent seiko
I think they're both ok and San Martin obviously uses them as a way to offer different price points, but one thing that does bother me is when they put their more pricey movements into a watch and then go and butcher it by putting three different logos on it.
They definitely do that sometimes. Bit annoying they still haven't figured out consistency on that front. Thanks for watching
very informative, thank you!
What a coincidence I was researching this a few mins ago when looking at The Camden Watch Company releasing a Kick Starter on a new model with the Miyota in it. Both around £40 for the movement alone. I don’t really mind the noise to be fair. It’s a bearing upgrade right? 60 hrs reserve is awesome and both movements are similar accuracy right? For me it’s all about decent accuracy and power reserve. There is a possible dislike with the stuttering seconds though. Not a massive issue and at 21,600 bph to be expected really. Thoughts?
It's had a few upgrades, hacking, the extra power reserve, it looks nicer and maintains the same accuracy and beat rate. So far it's been great, but it does need field testing to see how it holds up, but I think it'll be great in the long run. Cheers mate
Interesting content! Well I could predict the winner out of these two! 😆 I believe the 8315 is essentially an 821A with a longer main spring. This is no bad thing as I already liked the 821A. I hope we will see many more watch brands use this movement. Because some competition between this and the Seiko NH series will help to keep the prices down.
Thanks mate and this one was a warm up really, the tougher competition comes soon where it'll face the nh and others.
are there any models on ali with these movements?
The Berny ‘ Swiss railway watch ‘ . Hope that helps.
I’ve refused to buy any Watch with 8125, but happy to have a try with a 8315.
Bored with NH35 , the PT5000s are great so far👍🏽
I get that, the 8315 is now definitely more in line with the nh35 but with a monster power reserve. Pt are awesome too, hopefully will get one to compare against this. Thanks
Too bad. I understand why. I think the noise tells you it's working.
It's just character that adds to a watch. I'd say it was garbage if it was inaccurate or if they broke but I bought beater watches that's are accurate and don't die.
Just my opinion. 😊 thanks for the ear.
Does the 8315 stutter?
Like George VI.....
@@joostkiefte7683 But unlike the King, no amount of therapy and will can fix the problem
Great content, don’t believe I have any watches with the 8315 yet.
Thanks mate and they seem to be increasing on AliExpress but I haven't seen them outside of it yet.
I think for the price point, nothing can touch Seiko NH35 or NH38
The 8315 now has some better specifications and looks nicer, but I'll have to see which is really better when I compare them
Until ALL 8215 (and NH35) run out, they'll be in front of us (or the back of the dial anyway! 😋)
Cheers Wes, be well mate.
True mate, they'll keep being in watches for a long while yet. Thanks and be well too
A bigger the power reserve, the more reliable at time keeping.
That's great to hear, thanks for watching
A fairly useless comparison video as conclusion stuck out a mile from the outset..... To forego buying a nice watch because it could have had an NH35 or a 8315 movement inside, but has a 8215 instead is to my mind, rather silly.
You're entitled to your opinion mate, I think it's quite useful to see what's changed and improved. But appreciate your thoughts and for watching
It takes time and effort to put together videos for viewers. Be courteous to utubers. I don't see you with a channel. Why don't you put yourself out there and let viewers comment on your efforts on how "fairly useless" your presentation was because believe me there will be some who think exactly that. Can you take the medicine you dish out. I think not.
@@stephanieroberts1394 I didn't ask anyone to start a youtube channel, Wes came up with that out of his own accord now, didn't he? Just to fawn over content just because it's there is pretty useless. The comment was not rude or abrasive so I really have no idea what your gripe amounts to.
@@stephanieroberts1394 Steph, it is quite easy to turn your "argument" around: "It takes time and effort to put together watches for buyers. Be courteous to watch makers. I don't see Wes designing and producing watches. Why doesn't he put himself out there and let youtubers comment on his efforts on how "fairly useless" his are because, believe me, there will be some who think exactly that. Can he take the medicine he dishes out. I think not."
In other words, you don't have to be a watch maker yourself to be critical of watches, neither do you have to be a youtuber in order to be critical of someone's content.
@@jjakiefte2165 You miss the point completely.
I have no respect for someone who compares two watches and does not bother to synchronise their time.
And we care re your opinion because…?
@@serenityinside1 I do not remember asking you to care.