@@johnmuthan286 I thought the same thing, didn’t want to service my grandfather‘s old watch for the longest time until it stopped working. Lack of oil made a divot in one of the jewels, now I’m on top of my services!
It's astonishing to me that it took this long to actually have a watch channel that talks about watches knowledgeably. The vast proliferation of channels which prioritise "unboxing" (basically a kind of strip-show for the intellectually challenged) and various guys saying things like "this thing feels really solid" and "it looks really, really nice" and "you know, to me this looks like a much more expensive watch" is comic. It's like turning up for a meal and being served foam. The sheer educational and entertainment value TB offers is always fantastic. Thanks, Teddy - more power to you.
Not harsh at all - professionals in the industry give regular market updates in which they say things like “everybody knows how much I like blue” and “always great to see one of these come across the desk”
Hi Chris, there is our British expert Arnaud from his channel The Watch Chronicler. Highly informative , highly recommend and strangely Teddy has stepped up a long way to match Arnold's informative presentation nowadays. Plus Teddy says a few more words per minute than anyone else I've heard, quite amazing fluency!! Well done Teddy 🧸 👏 If I have a criticism it's his over pricing of the lower end of the watch market maybe he is protected his own shop pricing, good ol' price conditioning 🤔
I just returned to watch videos as a prime distraction, and I prefer my distractions to at least feel educational. I am _so_ glad I caught this video in particular, because it's not only actually educational, but it's a huge chunk of my DIY watch knowledge that was missing! Thank you for the work, Teddy. It is sincerely appreciated.
@@TeddyBaldassarre you the man Teddy. Great video. Your research and knowledge on this was impeccable. You kept the flow from start to finish. Maybe highlight the ETA sales practices forcing naming of these brands stepping to the plate. It sure was messy. Once again Teddy, A brilliant look at a long and most times yo yum industry of watch movements. Those in the know will appreciate all your hard work. Thank again Lord Baldassarre. 🤙🏻
When I hear that a microbrand watch uses a Seiko movement I take that as a sign of quality. My first automatic was an SNK805, and while the 7S26 isn't the best in the world it has yet to let me down.
Honestly if I see that a watch has a Seiko Instruments or ETA movement, or even some of the Miyota ones, I know that it's going to run great and be easy to find someone who is willing to service it.
Another thing I forgot to mention is that a few years back, Seiko released an OEM version of the 8R chronograph movement called the NE88 or NE86, and it is a much nicer movement than the valjoux 7750 that it competes with because it is a vertical clutch column wheel chronograph. I haven't seen it used in many watches though for whatever reason. My guess is that at the price point, people just want to see that "SWISS MADE" on the dial
I love the NH35 movement, out of the box in a cheap watch it can be a bit off than you prefer, but a tiny adjustment on the balance wheel adjuster can get it within a few seconds per day, even without a timegrapher. I have one in my first automatic, a Invicta Dive watch, that hasn't been serviced in over 10 years, and it's within a few seconds per day.
Movements usually set the price of the watch. So it's good to know what movement is in the watch you are getting so you don't over pay. Some microbrands will sell a $1000 watch with a NH35 in it which is absurd.
I disagree. Bought in bulk, before sorting and further regulation by watch manufacturers a Miyota 8215 or an NH 35 would be sold anywhere between $15 and $35. A 9000 Series or 4r+ between $18 and $42. Etc.etc...
With Swatch turning off the supply to non Swatch watch makers, and them being basically an in house movement supplier to Swatch brands shouldn't we begin to stop calling ETA movements third party - and begin calling them in-house movements for many Swatch brands. Just like Swatch has some 18 watch brands they also have some 17 manufacturers in house of which ETA is one. Swatch seems to be a classic vertically integrated company and I'm sure as a movement specialist they are involved with making Omega movements which for some reason are considered in-house for Omega. I think a more accurate story for ETA would be how they are sharing their in-house technology improvements such as SI hairsprings, to many of the Swatches brands. This story may be a bit more complex to tell, but it may better reflect reality, rather than the old third party movement story.
What most brands are calling in-house movement I strongly believe its rather a reference to in-house movement design and not the manufacturing the movement per se, which makes sense to me.
One of our best videos ever. In my humble opinion, this is one of the most educational watch videos I have ever seen. I actually made notes so I would remember what you were saying about each one. TY for putting in ALL the work. You make it easy for the rest of us!
I’m not saying Seiko is the best but their movements have always worked well and been reliable for me plus I think their movements are reasonably priced. Great video. Thank you
Movements are great but the only thing keeping me away from them is their hardlex crystals, it's just unacceptable when watches in the same price range offer sapphire.
@@user-hs2hd7wp9g totally understand this comment but hardlex is a lot different from say a timex mineral crystal. Haven’t been able to scratch my 5 year old mini turtle despite having banged it off of every door jam in the world at least twice. I gotta get my depth perception checked….
I have 2 watches with the movement Miyots 9015 inside and both of them are great! The movement is rather slim making the cases of the watches also very slim. Accuracy wise, both of them are the same at + 3-5 seconds a day. They are so good that I don't want to buy a microbrand watch if it does not have a movement from the Miyota 9000 series.
I love the Miyota 9 series too. I like that I hear and feel the rotor. I like spinning it. I don’t mind what people say. I like the fact that I know it’s there
Which brands do you have?... it's not so easy to find out in the market brands which fit 9 series... so, if you can tell me a few brands, then it'll be very much appreciated. Thanks
I've read Seagull is the largest manufacturer of mechanical movements in the world. And they actually use Swiss technology, based on an old Venus movement manufacturer they bought in the 50s which they now use to make column wheel chronographs and tourbillons.
Great video Ted! The miyota movements always blow me away. They're so so so good. My NY0040 has been outstanding in the accuracy department. Around +3-4 a day!
The miyoka has been used for India seller (citizen prefered movement) but if you got a Tissot watch with miyoka movement you will not be happy with a frankenwatch
When speaking about the Seiko movements, you inserted video of a Marathon General purpose mechanical watch. This is a big mistake, all Marathon watches have their Mechanical & Quartz movement made in La Chaux-de-Fonds, Switzerland. I was really enjoying your video as it sounds very well put together, however, the fact that you use a well known military contracted Canadian watch brand whose watches are made in La Chaux-de-Fonds, Switzerland as an example of a Seiko movement is a massive technical failure on your or your editors part. I completed the video but took your watch clips as something of entertainment while you talk and not something of factual integrity.
In the beginning of my watch collecting journey i was all about in-house movements. While they are great and Rolex, Seiko, Tudor, Omega, Breitling, Zenith, JLC, Patek, VC, and so on make some reliable and proven movements. But they cost quite a bit to service. Now i honestly appreciate the utility, reliability, and serviceability of ETA and Miyota movements. It doesn't bother me if a watch has one. They are accurate and reliable. The service costs are half of what a in-house movement service is. While im totally fine with ETA, if i had the choice i almost prefer the Miyota. Its still quite accurate and reliable. I dont mind the rotor noise and usually the watch can be alot thinner than the ETA counterpart. If im spending 5 grand obviously i don't want a miyota movement but you get the point.
An interesting thing to mention is that Sinn Spezialuhren from Germany uses 7 different manufacturers for their movements. First is of course ETA, but mostly the quartz watches like the dive watch line UX, then of course Sellita in most of the normal 3-hand-watches like the 104, then Valjoux for the 7750 like in the 910, then a clone of the 7750, the Concepto C99001 in the 103, then comes the La Joux-Perret 8000 in the 903, then the In-House-Stuff they have come up in the EZM10 and others, but as it's a ground-up-modification of 7750-like movements, it's shady. At last we have the UWD 33.1 in the 6200 WG MEISTERBUND 1, which rivals A. Lange & Söhne in beauty and finishing. 7 manufacturers is just insane for one watch company.
I seem to recall that, in my youth, a watch company (Benrus?) made a watch that was "self-regulating". If you correctly reset the watch by advancing the minute hand, the watch would also speed up very slightly. The reverse was also true. I wonder if such movements are still made.
Hi Teddy! Since I got the impression that you like the german brands as much as we do here in Austria, I have a fun fact for you. Here in Austria (south of Germany) it is tradition to gift a Junghans to your son or daughter at "the first holy communion" or after you finished the "Matura" ( google: higher school certification?). It has to be worn by the father and represents the continous lifeline beyond generational borders. The luck of the father goes down to his children and shall grant them their own luck in life under the protecting eyes of the father. Kids are around 14 at communion and 18 at the "Matura" so, they are just starting out getting some experience. It has to be a Junghans, because the brand was regarded as a "proper watch, that doesn`t fail" but left space on top to be more successful to buy a more luxurious watch. (The next step yould be a Rolex for medical doctors or atorneys) I just wanted to let you know, that there are cultures in the world, that share your appreciation for the german watch brands.
Very interesting video, Teddy. Appreciate the work that must have gone into researching all of those movements. I’ve always thought 3rd party movements make a lot of sense, especially from a price and servicing standpoint. Great work 👏🏻
Huge pill of knowledge, huge amount of research. I love videos like that and this is what separates you from another watch youtubers that I know. We beg for more!
Having a background in clock repair, movements are always high on my list when choosing a watch. A watch is only as good as it’s movement. Thanks for sharing this important info to your viewers.
My favourite is the myota 9015. Got 2 of these and both run around 0 to 1 second a day accuracy. One is 6-7 years old never been serviced. Got more expensive movements that do not keep this accuracy. Heard from others these are great movements.
My daily wear watch is using a Miyota 9039. I regulated it myself over the course of about a week... carefully adjusting it back and forth until it consistently runs +1 second per day. This morning I woke up and it was 1/2 second fast from where I hacked it 24 hours before. It can go a few days without deviating by a second or two. It is a fantastic movement. There's nothing practically more that an in-house movement can give you.
There is objectively nothing a luxury watch gives you above a solid “regular” or mid tier watch. There are more beveled edges and movement decoration but I’m not convinced that makes for a _better_ watch. In a nuts-and-bolts way, no improvements for thousands of dollars more.
FWIW the quality control may be somewhat to blame/credit for these cheaper ones. Sometimes I get the impression a movement just doesn't want to run well, probably because of tolerance stacking falling within the window just the right way. When you got a good one, the stars align and it's worth 10x the price!
@@donquique1 Elitist much? Like Miyota, they make anything from low-cost $50 stuff to really high end thousand dollar stuff like tourbillons. If anything be glad that beginning enthusiasts can afford a mechanical watch, instead of spending hundreds on a Swiss movement right off the bat. Just like Japan (who used to make "junk" before the 80s), as well as Korea (no one in America had even heard of any Korean companies like Hyundai or Samsung before the late 90s), China has industrialized extremely fast in the past half century.
How come the Japanese movements give the accuracy in the range of seconds, whereas there was no such info for the Swiss movements? Are Swiss trying to hide something and instead ride the wave of their popularity?
Teddy, this was a phenomenal video. I have a number of Breitlings that use these different movements and it was amazing to better understand the background and history. Thank you so much! Also, bought a couple leather bands from your site and they are amazing. Thanks so much for the excellent content.
I have to say, the 9015 Miyota series is better than ETA/SW200…..and yes I have all. They’re more durable, require less maintenance, and don’t have the winding weak points. The only complaint you hear is the sound of the rotor spinning at times, which bothers me none at all. My current example in a Vaer watch is my first. Keeps a consistent +4 seconds a day. Very pleased.
One of the most pointless debates in the world on any subject. In house or 3rd party is a none starter. If you buy a swatch with an eta then it's in house. If you buy a vintage daytona then it's 3rd party. Sieko with nh35 36 or early timex. Theirs an assumption that in house is better but it's just snob value and most watch owner haven't got a clue anyway, unless they actually worked on watches. All watches work the same. Either side centre second or sub dial and it really is where they take the drive for that hand that is the main difference in movements, obviously not including those high art watch movements that aren't really usable due to being fragile and ultra expensive. Other than that it's beat rate. Point is all movement can be in house or 3rd party depending on the name on the watch and are a mark of nothing at all. NH35 is maybe one the best movements ever made. I have a 69 timex day date no jewels and still running and widely thought of as junk but is in fact" in house". Movement are good or bad because they are good or bad. 3rd party are maybe better because they have competition.
Having serviced hundreds of watch movements I learned a lot from this very valuable assay of the very movements I come across regularly although I have to admit some I have never seen or worked on. Just too many beautiful movements out there. I'm currently restoring several Felsa 692's which are a favorite oldie of mine.
"300 dollar to 750 dollar price range" The NH3x? Are you serious Teddy? The NH35 costs 30 USD if you want to buy one online, maybe 20 USD for manufacturers buying in bulk. They can be had in watches starting from 60 USD. Using one in anything over 500 USD is a clear rip-off.
You read my mind!! I was trying to work up the courage to reach out to you to request this EXACT CONTENT! Am happy to have a base level understanding of the movements and inner workings of the watches I study and covet. More information like this is appreciated!
Brilliant and informative video. Thank you 🙏🏻- also really reassuring about the ‘loose’ feeling/sounding Valjoux 7750. Phew. Had googled the heck out of that with no comfort!
There is nothing intrinsically superior about in house movements. In fact, objectively they are worse because parts can be hard to get, and they tend to be a lot more expensive to work on. The in house movement craze is basically about trying to create exclusivity on expensive watches as a way to distinguish themselves from others. It has little to do about objective performance, except for the very complicated movements.
Thankyou for coving this overlooked part of watches. I've had a hard time comparing movements in microbrands and affordable watches, and thus cleared a lot of it up for me.
The jewels are used like bearings which the ends of the rotating shafts of the movements gears and wheels etc turn in, the jewels are typically ruby's which are a variety of corundum the second hardest jem next to diamond, because it's so hard it's very resistant to wear and has very low friction with the wheel and rotor shaft ends that rotate against the jewels.
Roaches! Blonde leg hairs! Kids jumping up in my lap! Corn pop was a bad dude! You know the thing! Hunter is the smartest guy I know! C’mon man!!!! I don't want MY kids school being integrated it would be a jungle.!
Great review of the various third-party movement available on the market. One thing about the Miyota movements that I have noticed is the very loud rotors when compared with Seiko, ETA, and STP movements (I only have experience with these movements). This is certainly true of the 8000 series, and is true even for the 9000 series. It brings to mind the notoriety of the noise level of Timex quartz movements. 😄 I am looking at adding a Squale Montauk to my collection soon, which would add a Sellita SW200 into it. I have also not had a great experience with the only STP movement in my collection and am not sure I would purchase another one. I am excited to see FTC's automatic movement when it gets released, and to purchase an automatic watch made in the USA and not just assembled in the USA.
Roaches! Blonde leg hairs! Kids jumping up in my lap! Corn pop was a bad dude! You know the thing! Hunter is the smartest guy I know! C’mon man!!!! I don't want MY kids school being integrated it would be a jungle.!
Teddy you should be proud that this video, as well as many others that you create adds greatly to the equation for watch knowledge in the world. Most watch commentators out there would be unwilling or unable to do something of this quality. We all know that you have a large watch sales enterprise in your stable. But it is so refreshing that you don’t ever try to cram sales down our throats like so many of your colleagues. Congratulations! I close by mentioning that a few months ago I bought a limited edition ceramic dial watch from a small Swiss watchmaker, Lundis Bleus. The watch has a Sellita 300 movement that I feel compares favorably with those of my Rolex and Grand Seiko models.
@@oscarosullivan4513 my Lundis Bleus is 40mm wide and has a thickness of 11mm, so it is very much a dress watch. They make quality and beautiful minimalist watches! Check them out😊.
MIYOTA 9015 BEST WORKHORSE ON THE PLANET, 2-3 SEC PER DAY, PERFECT......ROTOR NOISE, YES, BUT WHO CARES, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN THE FUTURE IF THEY CAN MAKE LESS NOISE LIKE SEIKO NH35,I CAN NOT HEAR THAT MOVEMENT ROTOR AT ALL.
Hi Teddy. Very interesting watch. Could you expand on this video to discuss the typical costs of servicing of in-house vs. third party movements, along with recommended service intervals? I’ve often wondered what the cost of a service would be for a chronometer-certified third party movement vs a chronometer movement from Rolex/Omega for example.this would definitely impact my next purchase.
I have an Invicta Pro Diver with an SII NH35A movement. This watch over time had gotten me into the realm of watches and after roughly 7 years of absolutely beating it up (I got it when I was younger). This watch after recently adjusting its speed and tightening the rotor (came loose from having beaten it up), this thing is still going strong within chronometer specs. I’ve since bought a new pro diver with the same movement and it still keeps going at chronometer time (after adjustment). I hope to get an omega in the future 😁
Hope you get your Omega, my best wishes man! Just a quick question, is the Invicta logo on the side of the Pro Diver often visible under normal use with a short sleeved shirt?
Sellita is a rebuild of ETA and therefore basically the same. And since ETA stopped supplying manufacturers that do not belong to the Swatch Group, these switched to Sellita instead.
Seagull are the largest manufacturer of mechanical watch movements in the world. A mention here would be appropriate, at least an acknowledgement that they exist considering this is supposed to be a comprehensive list. Also Peacock movements.
Having owned watches with both in-house and 3rd party movements I can safely say the quality and reliability doesn't change one bit between them and as Teddy pointed out, totally comes down to how each watch brand regulates the movement when it's going into the case. Currently I have the following app-tracked accuracies from my current collection: Baltic Aquascaphe SB01 (Miyota 9039): +0.93s/day Baltic Aquascaphe Bronze (Miyota 9039): +4.9s/day Laco Aachen 39mm (Miyota 8315) +7.08s/day Hamilton Khaki Pilot Pioneer Mechanical (H-50, ETA 2801 base) +0.54s/day And in recent years sold but really enjoyed: Marloe Morar Black Edition (Miyota 9039) +2s/day NOMOS Ahoi Atlantic (NOMOS Epsilon) +3s/day Tudor Pelagos (ETA 2824-2) +1s/day Marloe Coniston Speed Edition (Miyota 8N33) +4s/day These are incredible accuracy figures really for non COSC movements and a testament to the brands regulating their watches properly. The 8315 is the only exception but 7s a day is still nothing to sniff at for a mid-band automatic movement with 60hrs power reserve. I can happily wait until service time and get my watchmaker to regulate it to more positions in that time.
Great vid, a lot of work went into providing such a comprehensive list of movements, what they offer and how they differ. However some microbrands have started to utilize Chinese movements as well, especially the PT5000, which, as an ETA 2824 clone, should be on this list, IMHO :)
He mentioned at the beginning he would not be able to get into every manufacturer due to the sheer numbers. There have to be dozens of clone movement makers in China, let alone in the rest of the world.
The Zenith El Primero is my grail watch and has been for quite a while. I have recently Been paying much more attention to movements when shopping and considering what to add to my collection. Thanks for creating such a great piece that is straight forward and full of great information!
LOVE this content. I’m analytical by nature, skeptical in practice, and a DIY type person. This helped me start researching the cost associated with each of the main components of a watch. Hopefully I can get to the point where I can make truly custom pieces for myself in the near future. Understanding just how far that ETA 2824 family tree reaches has me intrigued on some potential builds.
I frequently go back to this video to refresh and supplement my knowledge on this content---can't express in words how helpful this information has been on my watch-buying/collecting journey. Thank you for the work you do, Teddy!
Thanks Teddy. I think that Sea-Gull movements (clones of Unitas/Eta and so on) are really worth a mention here. Their movements (if real SeaGull) are, in my view, on pair with standard ETA ones.
Agree, the ST movements are very good, certainly if you count the Sea-gull does insane quantities (the largest manufacturor of watch movements in the world)
I got spoiled by Seiko quartz reliability and longevity. Never a service during 27 years of daily use. The simple trick for mechanicals is to own several. Part-time usage should nearly guarantee never needing servicing. Movement replacement for a beloved, discontinued model would work as well. Owning super expensive watches, requiring periodic service, is neither fun nor smart.
The lubricants age even if the movement is used sparingly. Same case with gaskets that provide water resistance. However I think that there's no need to be overly paranoid and service the watch every 4 years or so. I think 7-8 years is enough before the oils dry completely. Actually, companies that make their own movements just swap out the movement for a refurbished one.
@@baze3SC I find 27 years of continuous use very compelling. The caseback gasket likely was replaced in that time interval, but I was not replacing my own batteries back then. The watch, Seiko Sports 150, saw sea kayaking water exposure throughout much of its life. I would bet I could put a battery in today and see the same 20-25 sec. per month performance.
@@m2pozad Yes, any quartz watch will have an inherent advantage because not only there are less moving parts but the gears only move once per second instead of eight times per second. I do own a couple of mechanical watches for sentimental reasons but after 5 years or so I just buy another model that piques my interest. I'm not preserving them for future generations or anything of that sort. I'm sure it would be cheaper to just swap out the whole movement instead of cleaning and lubricating every part. For outdoor activities or travel I always pick quartz. It's just more convenient, no need to care about magnetism while going through airport scanners etc.
I own seven watches that use the ETA 2824-2 movement. It’s a true workhorse. Some of my pieces include the Tudor BlackBay 79220b Breitling Superocean 42 Tissot PR100 COSC Powermatic 80 Tag Heuer Aquaracer with the Calibre 5
I think my bad experiences with mechanical watches has soured me on them, from inheriting my Dad’s old Omega Seamaster and finding that a cleaning wasn’t enough and I couldn’t afford the service it really needed (later it was stolen), a few fall-of-the-Soviet-Union pieces of junk… I fled to Casio and cheap Seiko atomic-clock radio-sync watches, then upgraded to Citizens. I want ten seconds a year or better. Nothing here for me. I know, I know. Soulless electronic and radio or satellite sync, thermocompensated ETA quartz movements…
Agreed. When I first bought a Seiko Quartz in the late 1970s it was a game changer. No more watch failures. No more servicing. A man down the local market changes the battery for a couple of pounds. The watch is still going strong a real work horse. I got my father’s old pointer date Certina serviced for sentimental reasons. First I had to find someone to service it, then it cost a pretty penny. In the seventies there were lots of places that would service a mechanical watch and it did not cost an arm and a leg. Anyway the Certina started to run slow again and I thought I cannot be bothered to get it serviced again. Seiko, Casio and Citizen for me now. They construct there watches reliably at reasonable prices. Accuracy beats a mechanical watch and nobody will attempt to rob me of the watch.
The more I read and listen about overpriced Swiss movements and Swatch group practices, the more respect I have for Citizen, Orient, Seiko and their respective in-house movements.
Dear Ted, I know you said this one was hard to put together, but I think many of us think very highly of all the work you have done here to synthesize a very complex, obscure body of information into a coheret, concise, authoritative package. Thank you for demystifying this topic for the general public. I think you have just about done the equivalent of a Masters Thesis in watch calibers here. Much respect. - LL
Solid work Teddy, with one glaring omission: Seagull. The ST 19 is popping up a lot lately, and for good reason. It is a manual wind column wheel chronograph based on a classic Venus design. As for modular chronographs I find them inferior to integrated designs, the pushers being harsh. They're thick too.
3rd part movements doesn’t always mean it’s a bad watch. A great example is Kurono a watch by Hajime Asaoka that uses a Miyota movement. Phenomenal piece!
Great information - thanks! I would also like to know about the PT5000 that is a high-beat that Geckota watches are using and a word on Seagull movements.
I wish you'd included seagull!!! Their movements are pretty good too!!i feel like the Chinese should get more praise for what they do when it comes to watch making!!!
Excellent review and comparison and liked that you used the ubiquitous ETA 2824 to compare to Selina et al. One thing, maybe for a different vid, is to review in-depth the various grades within the lines in terms of mechanics, decoration and accuracy. For example in sw-200: standard, Elabore, Top, and Chronometer.
When I first seen those glass backs I was like cool but now that I see those too much I'm like okay I don't like them anymore! Here's why: I miss the stainless or gold backs because I miss the designs and special graphics that watch makers would put into as creativity and art into a watch! I totally prefer looking @ my Longines Hydroconquest has a beautiful Stainless back piece design which I really love! Just my thought!
I have a 39 year old Citizen with a Miyota 8200 movement that's never been serviced and it gets +/-3 seconds a day.
Same here with most of my watches, ain't broken don't fix it.
I have miyota super 2035 movement ,
Accuracy is 🤟🤟👍
@@johnmuthan286 I thought the same thing, didn’t want to service my grandfather‘s old watch for the longest time until it stopped working. Lack of oil made a divot in one of the jewels, now I’m on top of my services!
Wow!
Yeah, sure.. most Miyotas are garbage still.
It's astonishing to me that it took this long to actually have a watch channel that talks about watches knowledgeably. The vast proliferation of channels which prioritise "unboxing" (basically a kind of strip-show for the intellectually challenged) and various guys saying things like "this thing feels really solid" and "it looks really, really nice" and "you know, to me this looks like a much more expensive watch" is comic. It's like turning up for a meal and being served foam. The sheer educational and entertainment value TB offers is always fantastic. Thanks, Teddy - more power to you.
Brilliantly descriptive.
A bit harsh
Not harsh at all - professionals in the industry give regular market updates in which they say things like “everybody knows how much I like blue” and “always great to see one of these come across the desk”
@@christopherbroga4700 Why I sold my Explorer et al.
Hi Chris, there is our British expert Arnaud from his channel The Watch Chronicler. Highly informative , highly recommend and strangely Teddy has stepped up a long way to match Arnold's informative presentation nowadays. Plus Teddy says a few more words per minute than anyone else I've heard, quite amazing fluency!! Well done Teddy 🧸 👏
If I have a criticism it's his over pricing of the lower end of the watch market maybe he is protected his own shop pricing, good ol' price conditioning 🤔
I just returned to watch videos as a prime distraction, and I prefer my distractions to at least feel educational. I am _so_ glad I caught this video in particular, because it's not only actually educational, but it's a huge chunk of my DIY watch knowledge that was missing! Thank you for the work, Teddy. It is sincerely appreciated.
Great video Teddy. This was extremely educational and must have taken a lot of research.
Thank you, my friend! You know how this video thing can get time consuming...
@@TeddyBaldassarre Oh absolutely I do. Appreciate the time you put in to compile this info and keep up the great work.
Agreed. I will likely reference this video again.
yes, educational for me as well.
@@TeddyBaldassarre you the man Teddy. Great video. Your research and knowledge on this was impeccable. You kept the flow from start to finish. Maybe highlight the ETA sales practices forcing naming of these brands stepping to the plate. It sure was messy. Once again Teddy, A brilliant look at a long and most times yo yum industry of watch movements. Those in the know will appreciate all your hard work. Thank again Lord Baldassarre. 🤙🏻
Yes, Teddy B. This is the level of nerdiness I was looking for. Thanks.
When I hear that a microbrand watch uses a Seiko movement I take that as a sign of quality. My first automatic was an SNK805, and while the 7S26 isn't the best in the world it has yet to let me down.
Honestly if I see that a watch has a Seiko Instruments or ETA movement, or even some of the Miyota ones, I know that it's going to run great and be easy to find someone who is willing to service it.
Exactly
Another thing I forgot to mention is that a few years back, Seiko released an OEM version of the 8R chronograph movement called the NE88 or NE86, and it is a much nicer movement than the valjoux 7750 that it competes with because it is a vertical clutch column wheel chronograph. I haven't seen it used in many watches though for whatever reason. My guess is that at the price point, people just want to see that "SWISS MADE" on the dial
New 8o hour eta are rubbish.
@@khalifa2080 How
@@oscarosullivan4513 no regulation and no supply for of parts to repairers, monopoly strategy.
I love the NH35 movement, out of the box in a cheap watch it can be a bit off than you prefer, but a tiny adjustment on the balance wheel adjuster can get it within a few seconds per day, even without a timegrapher. I have one in my first automatic, a Invicta Dive watch, that hasn't been serviced in over 10 years, and it's within a few seconds per day.
I have an invicta as well with the 24 jewel and its been very good
I need to find a video on how to do regulate NH 35.
@@timothyfoley3000 Just searched on RUclips, plenty on of videos that show how to do it, very similar to other movements.
I just bought a steeldive of Alibaba with the NH35 and it hasn't lost or gained a second in 3 weeks
Spot on!... Not bad for a $180 watch!
Movements usually set the price of the watch. So it's good to know what movement is in the watch you are getting so you don't over pay. Some microbrands will sell a $1000 watch with a NH35 in it which is absurd.
A Sellita would be more fitting
A whatch with an NH35A can be had for $100
@@gapf2010channel exactly!
I disagree. Bought in bulk, before sorting and further regulation by watch manufacturers a Miyota 8215 or an NH 35 would be sold anywhere between $15 and $35. A 9000 Series or 4r+ between $18 and $42. Etc.etc...
As absurd as using a Sellita SW200 Standard in a 2500 EUR watch from a big brand, or is it?
With Swatch turning off the supply to non Swatch watch makers, and them being basically an in house movement supplier to Swatch brands shouldn't we begin to stop calling ETA movements third party - and begin calling them in-house movements for many Swatch brands. Just like Swatch has some 18 watch brands they also have some 17 manufacturers in house of which ETA is one. Swatch seems to be a classic vertically integrated company and I'm sure as a movement specialist they are involved with making Omega movements which for some reason are considered in-house for Omega. I think a more accurate story for ETA would be how they are sharing their in-house technology improvements such as SI hairsprings, to many of the Swatches brands. This story may be a bit more complex to tell, but it may better reflect reality, rather than the old third party movement story.
So that would mean any off brand watches equipped with ETAs would be collectible? 🤔
What most brands are calling in-house movement I strongly believe its rather a reference to in-house movement design and not the manufacturing the movement per se, which makes sense to me.
@@victorbgdream8328 i don’t think that’s a consistent explanation or definition of an in house movement though
Wow Teddy. That was an education! Thank you.
Teddy rising to Mosso level uninterrupted expert delivery.
I am flattered as I respect Tim greatly.
Mosso finishing
No one is on mosso’s level. Dudes in another stratosphere.
Tim only stops momentarily to inhale
I listened to this at 1.5x and my brain almost exploded
Am I the only one that noticed the pun "in the vast majority of cases", or was that intended?
Unintentional 😂
Haha you and I both!
Super informative - learned something new today!
One of our best videos ever. In my humble opinion, this is one of the most educational watch videos I have ever seen. I actually made notes so I would remember what you were saying about each one. TY for putting in ALL the work. You make it easy for the rest of us!
Your wealth of knowledge is impressive Teddy.
I’m not saying Seiko is the best but their movements have always worked well and been reliable for me plus I think their movements are reasonably priced. Great video. Thank you
Movements are great but the only thing keeping me away from them is their hardlex crystals, it's just unacceptable when watches in the same price range offer sapphire.
@@user-hs2hd7wp9g totally understand this comment but hardlex is a lot different from say a timex mineral crystal. Haven’t been able to scratch my 5 year old mini turtle despite having banged it off of every door jam in the world at least twice. I gotta get my depth perception checked….
@@user-hs2hd7wp9ggo with Chinese models, they have full sapphire
I have 2 watches with the movement Miyots 9015 inside and both of them are great! The movement is rather slim making the cases of the watches also very slim. Accuracy wise, both of them are the same at + 3-5 seconds a day. They are so good that I don't want to buy a microbrand watch if it does not have a movement from the Miyota 9000 series.
agreed, Miyota 9000 series and ETA 2824-2 elaborate version are my go-to option now, they run far more accurate than 6R15 in my other watches
I love the Miyota 9 series too. I like that I hear and feel the rotor. I like spinning it. I don’t mind what people say. I like the fact that I know it’s there
Just got a Smiths Everest Gilt dial with 9000 series...keeping excellent time.
Which brands do you have?... it's not so easy to find out in the market brands which fit 9 series... so, if you can tell me a few brands, then it'll be very much appreciated. Thanks
@@robertobaccala4752 Phoibos used the Miyota 9000 series but as of late, they only use Seiko NH35A. :/
Nothing about Sea-Gull? Or HK Precision?
I've read Seagull is the largest manufacturer of mechanical movements in the world. And they actually use Swiss technology, based on an old Venus movement manufacturer they bought in the 50s which they now use to make column wheel chronographs and tourbillons.
@@davidc5191 they also have the st2130, like HK precision with their pt5000, both are clone of the ETA 2824-2, and compete with the sw200
Great video Ted! The miyota movements always blow me away. They're so so so good. My NY0040 has been outstanding in the accuracy department. Around +3-4 a day!
The miyoka has been used for India seller (citizen prefered movement) but if you got a Tissot watch with miyoka movement you will not be happy with a frankenwatch
nothing spectacular for a miyota (citizen)...🇯🇵♥️
@@kananpaket9301 well no shit, that has nothing to do with the movement, just the fact that it’s a frankenwatch LMAO
When speaking about the Seiko movements, you inserted video of a Marathon General purpose mechanical watch. This is a big mistake, all Marathon watches have their Mechanical & Quartz movement made in La Chaux-de-Fonds, Switzerland. I was really enjoying your video as it sounds very well put together, however, the fact that you use a well known military contracted Canadian watch brand whose watches are made in La Chaux-de-Fonds, Switzerland as an example of a Seiko movement is a massive technical failure on your or your editors part. I completed the video but took your watch clips as something of entertainment while you talk and not something of factual integrity.
In the beginning of my watch collecting journey i was all about in-house movements. While they are great and Rolex, Seiko, Tudor, Omega, Breitling, Zenith, JLC, Patek, VC, and so on make some reliable and proven movements. But they cost quite a bit to service. Now i honestly appreciate the utility, reliability, and serviceability of ETA and Miyota movements. It doesn't bother me if a watch has one. They are accurate and reliable. The service costs are half of what a in-house movement service is. While im totally fine with ETA, if i had the choice i almost prefer the Miyota. Its still quite accurate and reliable. I dont mind the rotor noise and usually the watch can be alot thinner than the ETA counterpart. If im spending 5 grand obviously i don't want a miyota movement but you get the point.
Thanks for this comment, Josh. I agree with you!
Miyota isn’t serviceable though, you simply swap i out for a new one. Also, it’s not thinner than an equivalent ETA
@@nintendokings 9015 is 1mm thinner than 2824. Sounds marginal but it makes a difference in case size
An interesting thing to mention is that Sinn Spezialuhren from Germany uses 7 different manufacturers for their movements. First is of course ETA, but mostly the quartz watches like the dive watch line UX, then of course Sellita in most of the normal 3-hand-watches like the 104, then Valjoux for the 7750 like in the 910, then a clone of the 7750, the Concepto C99001 in the 103, then comes the La Joux-Perret 8000 in the 903, then the In-House-Stuff they have come up in the EZM10 and others, but as it's a ground-up-modification of 7750-like movements, it's shady. At last we have the UWD 33.1 in the 6200 WG MEISTERBUND 1, which rivals A. Lange & Söhne in beauty and finishing. 7 manufacturers is just insane for one watch company.
I seem to recall that, in my youth, a watch company (Benrus?) made a watch that was "self-regulating". If you correctly reset the watch by advancing the minute hand, the watch would also speed up very slightly. The reverse was also true. I wonder if such movements are still made.
Hi Teddy! Since I got the impression that you like the german brands as much as we do here in Austria, I have a fun fact for you. Here in Austria (south of Germany) it is tradition to gift a Junghans to your son or daughter at "the first holy communion" or after you finished the "Matura" ( google: higher school certification?). It has to be worn by the father and represents the continous lifeline beyond generational borders. The luck of the father goes down to his children and shall grant them their own luck in life under the protecting eyes of the father. Kids are around 14 at communion and 18 at the "Matura" so, they are just starting out getting some experience. It has to be a Junghans, because the brand was regarded as a "proper watch, that doesn`t fail" but left space on top to be more successful to buy a more luxurious watch. (The next step yould be a Rolex for medical doctors or atorneys) I just wanted to let you know, that there are cultures in the world, that share your appreciation for the german watch brands.
Very interesting video, Teddy. Appreciate the work that must have gone into researching all of those movements. I’ve always thought 3rd party movements make a lot of sense, especially from a price and servicing standpoint. Great work 👏🏻
Huge pill of knowledge, huge amount of research. I love videos like that and this is what separates you from another watch youtubers that I know. We beg for more!
Having a background in clock repair, movements are always high on my list when choosing a watch. A watch is only as good as it’s movement. Thanks for sharing this important info to your viewers.
My favourite is the myota 9015. Got 2 of these and both run around 0 to 1 second a day accuracy. One is 6-7 years old never been serviced. Got more expensive movements that do not keep this accuracy. Heard from others these are great movements.
The miyota 9015 it's so underrated, I hope someday it will reach the level of modding support for the community that the nh35/36 has
It’s got to find its way into some slimline dive watches for a reasonable price. RLG do one, but not many others.
My daily wear watch is using a Miyota 9039. I regulated it myself over the course of about a week... carefully adjusting it back and forth until it consistently runs +1 second per day. This morning I woke up and it was 1/2 second fast from where I hacked it 24 hours before. It can go a few days without deviating by a second or two. It is a fantastic movement. There's nothing practically more that an in-house movement can give you.
There is objectively nothing a luxury watch gives you above a solid “regular” or mid tier watch. There are more beveled edges and movement decoration but I’m not convinced that makes for a _better_ watch. In a nuts-and-bolts way, no improvements for thousands of dollars more.
Your awesome bro.... Self regulating.... Rolex fanboyz are crying silently in the bathroom!!!
FWIW the quality control may be somewhat to blame/credit for these cheaper ones. Sometimes I get the impression a movement just doesn't want to run well, probably because of tolerance stacking falling within the window just the right way. When you got a good one, the stars align and it's worth 10x the price!
Was hoping you'd mentioned Tianjin Seagull, probably the largest manufacturer of mechanical watch movements.
Chinese junk. Nobody cares.
@@donquique1 Elitist much? Like Miyota, they make anything from low-cost $50 stuff to really high end thousand dollar stuff like tourbillons. If anything be glad that beginning enthusiasts can afford a mechanical watch, instead of spending hundreds on a Swiss movement right off the bat. Just like Japan (who used to make "junk" before the 80s), as well as Korea (no one in America had even heard of any Korean companies like Hyundai or Samsung before the late 90s), China has industrialized extremely fast in the past half century.
How come the Japanese movements give the accuracy in the range of seconds, whereas there was no such info for the Swiss movements? Are Swiss trying to hide something and instead ride the wave of their popularity?
Surprised to find that most movements are very slim.
But why are the watches so thick, like over 10mm :(
I buy my watches like I buy my cars. I weigh most of my decision on the reliability of the drivetrain.
Teddy, this was a phenomenal video. I have a number of Breitlings that use these different movements and it was amazing to better understand the background and history. Thank you so much! Also, bought a couple leather bands from your site and they are amazing. Thanks so much for the excellent content.
I have to say, the 9015 Miyota series is better than ETA/SW200…..and yes I have all. They’re more durable, require less maintenance, and don’t have the winding weak points. The only complaint you hear is the sound of the rotor spinning at times, which bothers me none at all. My current example in a Vaer watch is my first. Keeps a consistent +4 seconds a day. Very pleased.
Teddy dropping knowledge and lookin’ sharp. Man’s dangerous!
One of the most pointless debates in the world on any subject. In house or 3rd party is a none starter. If you buy a swatch with an eta then it's in house. If you buy a vintage daytona then it's 3rd party. Sieko with nh35 36 or early timex. Theirs an assumption that in house is better but it's just snob value and most watch owner haven't got a clue anyway, unless they actually worked on watches. All watches work the same. Either side centre second or sub dial and it really is where they take the drive for that hand that is the main difference in movements, obviously not including those high art watch movements that aren't really usable due to being fragile and ultra expensive. Other than that it's beat rate. Point is all movement can be in house or 3rd party depending on the name on the watch and are a mark of nothing at all. NH35 is maybe one the best movements ever made. I have a 69 timex day date no jewels and still running and widely thought of as junk but is in fact" in house". Movement are good or bad because they are good or bad. 3rd party are maybe better because they have competition.
Having serviced hundreds of watch movements I learned a lot from this very valuable assay of the very movements I come across regularly although I have to admit some I have never seen or worked on. Just too many beautiful movements out there. I'm currently restoring several Felsa 692's which are a favorite oldie of mine.
"300 dollar to 750 dollar price range"
The NH3x? Are you serious Teddy? The NH35 costs 30 USD if you want to buy one online, maybe 20 USD for manufacturers buying in bulk. They can be had in watches starting from 60 USD. Using one in anything over 500 USD is a clear rip-off.
Balanced and thorough overview with amazing photography as always. I'll probably watch this video multiple times.
there is literally nothing wrong with budget miyota quartz movements.
You read my mind!! I was trying to work up the courage to reach out to you to request this EXACT CONTENT! Am happy to have a base level understanding of the movements and inner workings of the watches I study and covet. More information like this is appreciated!
What do you mean by third party movement and could you rate the movement of
"Fossil BQ2382 Flynn"
Thanks. One of your best videos along with the one on Springdrive
Brilliant and informative video. Thank you 🙏🏻- also really reassuring about the ‘loose’ feeling/sounding Valjoux 7750. Phew. Had googled the heck out of that with no comfort!
Never clicked faster than this! Great content Teddy!
There is nothing intrinsically superior about in house movements. In fact, objectively they are worse because parts can be hard to get, and they tend to be a lot more expensive to work on. The in house movement craze is basically about trying to create exclusivity on expensive watches as a way to distinguish themselves from others. It has little to do about objective performance, except for the very complicated movements.
Thankyou for coving this overlooked part of watches. I've had a hard time comparing movements in microbrands and affordable watches, and thus cleared a lot of it up for me.
Please tell me what is 17 , 21, 24 ,25 and 29 jewels movement, and whats the difference between them.
I am no expert but from what I have read and watched jewels help with keeping friction down
@@oscarosullivan4513 thanks
The jewels are used like bearings which the ends of the rotating shafts of the movements gears and wheels etc turn in, the jewels are typically ruby's which are a variety of corundum the second hardest jem next to diamond, because it's so hard it's very resistant to wear and has very low friction with the wheel and rotor shaft ends that rotate against the jewels.
New subscriber really enjoying your content - especially your episodes with Mr. O’Leary
Roaches! Blonde leg hairs! Kids jumping up in my lap! Corn pop was a bad dude! You know the thing! Hunter is the smartest guy I know! C’mon man!!!! I don't want MY kids school being integrated it would be a jungle.!
Great review of the various third-party movement available on the market. One thing about the Miyota movements that I have noticed is the very loud rotors when compared with Seiko, ETA, and STP movements (I only have experience with these movements). This is certainly true of the 8000 series, and is true even for the 9000 series. It brings to mind the notoriety of the noise level of Timex quartz movements. 😄
I am looking at adding a Squale Montauk to my collection soon, which would add a Sellita SW200 into it. I have also not had a great experience with the only STP movement in my collection and am not sure I would purchase another one.
I am excited to see FTC's automatic movement when it gets released, and to purchase an automatic watch made in the USA and not just assembled in the USA.
Roaches! Blonde leg hairs! Kids jumping up in my lap! Corn pop was a bad dude! You know the thing! Hunter is the smartest guy I know! C’mon man!!!! I don't want MY kids school being integrated it would be a jungle.!
Teddy you should be proud that this video, as well as many others that you create adds greatly to the equation for watch knowledge in the world. Most watch commentators out there would be unwilling or unable to do something of this quality. We all know that you have a large watch sales enterprise in your stable. But it is so refreshing that you don’t ever try to cram sales down our throats like so many of your colleagues. Congratulations! I close by mentioning that a few months ago I bought a limited edition ceramic dial watch from a small Swiss watchmaker, Lundis Bleus. The watch has a Sellita 300 movement that I feel compares favorably with those of my Rolex and Grand Seiko models.
Thank you, Lee! I appreciate comments like this!
Great design but shame about the size
@@oscarosullivan4513 my Lundis Bleus is 40mm wide and has a thickness of 11mm, so it is very much a dress watch. They make quality and beautiful minimalist watches! Check them out😊.
@@leewimberly6114 40mm seems to be a bit big for a dress watch
MIYOTA 9015 BEST WORKHORSE ON THE PLANET, 2-3 SEC PER DAY, PERFECT......ROTOR NOISE, YES, BUT WHO CARES, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN THE FUTURE IF THEY CAN MAKE LESS NOISE LIKE SEIKO NH35,I CAN NOT HEAR THAT MOVEMENT ROTOR AT ALL.
Hi Teddy. Very interesting watch. Could you expand on this video to discuss the typical costs of servicing of in-house vs. third party movements, along with recommended service intervals? I’ve often wondered what the cost of a service would be for a chronometer-certified third party movement vs a chronometer movement from Rolex/Omega for example.this would definitely impact my next purchase.
God it was fast. I reduced the speed to .75 😂
Very good overview thanks! This is going to be a reference for quite a while.
Awesome overview of the industry, it will definitely help out those of us who are new to the world of horology!
Right?! Needed this video in the world!
Agreed
So which movement would you say is better, the seiko NH35A or the Miyota 8215?
Damn, this dude has vast knowledge of everything watch. Thanks for the education Teddy.
Interesting review. Regards.
I have an Invicta Pro Diver with an SII NH35A movement. This watch over time had gotten me into the realm of watches and after roughly 7 years of absolutely beating it up (I got it when I was younger). This watch after recently adjusting its speed and tightening the rotor (came loose from having beaten it up), this thing is still going strong within chronometer specs. I’ve since bought a new pro diver with the same movement and it still keeps going at chronometer time (after adjustment). I hope to get an omega in the future 😁
Hope you get your Omega, my best wishes man! Just a quick question, is the Invicta logo on the side of the Pro Diver often visible under normal use with a short sleeved shirt?
Sellita is a rebuild of ETA and therefore basically the same. And since ETA stopped supplying manufacturers that do not belong to the Swatch Group, these switched to Sellita instead.
Why would anyone give this effort a thumbs down? Awesome video Teddy. Thank you for making it.
They dont like his glasses
Seagull are the largest manufacturer of mechanical watch movements in the world. A mention here would be appropriate, at least an acknowledgement that they exist considering this is supposed to be a comprehensive list.
Also Peacock movements.
Having owned watches with both in-house and 3rd party movements I can safely say the quality and reliability doesn't change one bit between them and as Teddy pointed out, totally comes down to how each watch brand regulates the movement when it's going into the case.
Currently I have the following app-tracked accuracies from my current collection:
Baltic Aquascaphe SB01 (Miyota 9039): +0.93s/day
Baltic Aquascaphe Bronze (Miyota 9039): +4.9s/day
Laco Aachen 39mm (Miyota 8315) +7.08s/day
Hamilton Khaki Pilot Pioneer Mechanical (H-50, ETA 2801 base) +0.54s/day
And in recent years sold but really enjoyed:
Marloe Morar Black Edition (Miyota 9039) +2s/day
NOMOS Ahoi Atlantic (NOMOS Epsilon) +3s/day
Tudor Pelagos (ETA 2824-2) +1s/day
Marloe Coniston Speed Edition (Miyota 8N33) +4s/day
These are incredible accuracy figures really for non COSC movements and a testament to the brands regulating their watches properly. The 8315 is the only exception but 7s a day is still nothing to sniff at for a mid-band automatic movement with 60hrs power reserve. I can happily wait until service time and get my watchmaker to regulate it to more positions in that time.
All Japanese movements have an accuracy rating. But non of the Swiss ones has.
Great vid, a lot of work went into providing such a comprehensive list of movements, what they offer and how they differ. However some microbrands have started to utilize Chinese movements as well, especially the PT5000, which, as an ETA 2824 clone, should be on this list, IMHO :)
He mentioned at the beginning he would not be able to get into every manufacturer due to the sheer numbers. There have to be dozens of clone movement makers in China, let alone in the rest of the world.
Don't be overly obsessed with accuracy and spending big to get it, you have unbeatable accuracy on your
mobile phone.
A table would summarize the whole presentation in a much clearer and concise manner.
That goes against the salesperson code! Lmao
The Zenith El Primero is my grail watch and has been for quite a while. I have recently Been paying much more attention to movements when shopping and considering what to add to my collection. Thanks for creating such a great piece that is straight forward and full of great information!
The El Primero is my grail as well. I have thought of the Zenith movements as ‘the best’ for a long time!
LOVE this content. I’m analytical by nature, skeptical in practice, and a DIY type person. This helped me start researching the cost associated with each of the main components of a watch. Hopefully I can get to the point where I can make truly custom pieces for myself in the near future. Understanding just how far that ETA 2824 family tree reaches has me intrigued on some potential builds.
I never buy a watch with a Miyota, they tend to stutter
I frequently go back to this video to refresh and supplement my knowledge on this content---can't express in words how helpful this information has been on my watch-buying/collecting journey. Thank you for the work you do, Teddy!
Miyota 9000 series is the best budget movement you can buy and dare i say yes, better than the nh35/36.
St2130 and pt5000 are not bad either
Thanks Teddy. I think that Sea-Gull movements (clones of Unitas/Eta and so on) are really worth a mention here. Their movements (if real SeaGull) are, in my view, on pair with standard ETA ones.
Agree, the ST movements are very good, certainly if you count the Sea-gull does insane quantities (the largest manufacturor of watch movements in the world)
Miyota is great❤
Aww man u forgot abt Vaucher Agenhor and Schwartz Ettiene :(
He pretty much "forgot" at least 200 Swiss movement makers that were around a few decades ago and seized to exist since then.
how could he forget Vaucher????
I got spoiled by Seiko quartz reliability and longevity. Never a service during 27 years of daily use. The simple trick for mechanicals is to own several. Part-time usage should nearly guarantee never needing servicing. Movement replacement for a beloved, discontinued model would work as well. Owning super expensive watches, requiring periodic service, is neither fun nor smart.
The lubricants age even if the movement is used sparingly. Same case with gaskets that provide water resistance. However I think that there's no need to be overly paranoid and service the watch every 4 years or so. I think 7-8 years is enough before the oils dry completely. Actually, companies that make their own movements just swap out the movement for a refurbished one.
@@baze3SC I find 27 years of continuous use very compelling. The caseback gasket likely was replaced in that time interval, but I was not replacing my own batteries back then. The watch, Seiko Sports 150, saw sea kayaking water exposure throughout much of its life. I would bet I could put a battery in today and see the same 20-25 sec. per month performance.
@@m2pozad Yes, any quartz watch will have an inherent advantage because not only there are less moving parts but the gears only move once per second instead of eight times per second. I do own a couple of mechanical watches for sentimental reasons but after 5 years or so I just buy another model that piques my interest. I'm not preserving them for future generations or anything of that sort. I'm sure it would be cheaper to just swap out the whole movement instead of cleaning and lubricating every part. For outdoor activities or travel I always pick quartz. It's just more convenient, no need to care about magnetism while going through airport scanners etc.
Love the miyota 9s series. Have a couple of thin watches and works great for the money. It’s hi-beat and usually cheaper than it’s Swiss counter part.
Forget brands, I'm buying my watches based their movement.
The regulated Miyota movements in my Traska, Summiteer and Freediver are incredibly accurate.
My Freediver and Commuter too.
Traska Commuter rules
easly cosc standards without pumping up the price
@@thisispw I love the Commuter... it reminds me of the Rolex, Date Just I used to own!
@@Mister_Phafanapolis Agreed!
If you find this stuff interesting you probably spend time on _Caliber Corner._
I own seven watches that use the ETA 2824-2 movement. It’s a true workhorse.
Some of my pieces include the
Tudor BlackBay 79220b
Breitling Superocean 42
Tissot PR100 COSC Powermatic 80
Tag Heuer Aquaracer with the Calibre 5
I several ETA based watches and have never been let down. Great movements.
I think my bad experiences with mechanical watches has soured me on them, from inheriting my Dad’s old Omega Seamaster and finding that a cleaning wasn’t enough and I couldn’t afford the service it really needed (later it was stolen), a few fall-of-the-Soviet-Union pieces of junk… I fled to Casio and cheap Seiko atomic-clock radio-sync watches, then upgraded to Citizens.
I want ten seconds a year or better. Nothing here for me. I know, I know. Soulless electronic and radio or satellite sync, thermocompensated ETA quartz movements…
Agreed. When I first bought a Seiko Quartz in the late 1970s it was a game changer. No more watch failures. No more servicing. A man down the local market changes the battery for a couple of pounds. The watch is still going strong a real work horse.
I got my father’s old pointer date Certina serviced for sentimental reasons. First I had to find someone to service it, then it cost a pretty penny. In the seventies there were lots of places that would service a mechanical watch and it did not cost an arm and a leg. Anyway the Certina started to run slow again and I thought I cannot be bothered to get it serviced again.
Seiko, Casio and Citizen for me now. They construct there watches reliably at reasonable prices. Accuracy beats a mechanical watch and nobody will attempt to rob me of the watch.
Accuracy would be determined by whoever sets it... you always make that mistake. You mean precision
Anyone familiar with the Sellita SW-200 automatic movement?
Youre killing it!
The more I read and listen about overpriced Swiss movements and Swatch group practices, the more respect I have for Citizen, Orient, Seiko and their respective in-house movements.
Dear Ted,
I know you said this one was hard to put together, but I think many of us think very highly of all the work you have done here to synthesize a very complex, obscure body of information into a coheret, concise, authoritative package. Thank you for demystifying this topic for the general public. I think you have just about done the equivalent of a Masters Thesis in watch calibers here. Much respect.
- LL
Thank you was enough....
I'd happily take any watch that uses a Valjoux 7750.
Wow this is way beyond RUclips standards. Really high quality info. Thanks man for sharing this.
Solid work Teddy, with one glaring omission: Seagull. The ST 19 is popping up a lot lately, and for good reason. It is a manual wind column wheel chronograph based on a classic Venus design.
As for modular chronographs I find them inferior to integrated designs, the pushers being harsh. They're thick too.
3rd part movements doesn’t always mean it’s a bad watch. A great example is Kurono a watch by Hajime Asaoka that uses a Miyota movement. Phenomenal piece!
That is a very obscure reference.
Great information - thanks! I would also like to know about the PT5000 that is a high-beat that Geckota watches are using and a word on Seagull movements.
I wish you'd included seagull!!! Their movements are pretty good too!!i feel like the Chinese should get more praise for what they do when it comes to watch making!!!
It's an obsolete swiss movement from the 50's. The Chinese government just bought the tooling and manufactured it for their army pilots.
Excellent review and comparison and liked that you used the ubiquitous ETA 2824 to compare to Selina et al. One thing, maybe for a different vid, is to review in-depth the various grades within the lines in terms of mechanics, decoration and accuracy. For example in sw-200: standard, Elabore, Top, and Chronometer.
When I first seen those glass backs I was like cool but now that I see those too much I'm like okay I don't like them anymore! Here's why: I miss the stainless or gold backs because I miss the designs and special graphics that watch makers would put into as creativity and art into a watch! I totally prefer looking @ my Longines Hydroconquest has a beautiful Stainless back piece design which I really love! Just my thought!
No Longines on your site? Why?