I bought a matte OLED late last year with possible fear that I would regret buying because of all of the negative comments, but as optimum states here it's not nearly as matte as older panels. I don't notice the matte at all when the screen is on and am very happy with how it looks.
@@imagamershorts No eye strain yet, but in low light I make sure to turn on blue light blockers etc, and turn down brightness at night. I jumped from my original monitor (KTC 27" OLED to acer x32 x3 32" OLED) so didnt use either for over a year but 0 burn in so far on both.
Thank you for making this video! A Couple years back I switched from an older matte finish monitor to a new glossy finish monitor and I felt that the glossy finish had a big effect on improving the contrast and sharpness. Overall, I much prefer it. It’s good to know that monitors that are labeled with having a matte finish in 2024 are not the same as monitors from years past that had a matte finish.
Don't get your hopes up too much because a common complain with these LG OLED monitors are that the coating looks oily and grainy. I don't know if it's a person to person thing if Optimum can't see it, but matte is most certainly still a big issue for a good deal of people.
The "matte" coatings on the newer OLEDs are not quite matte in a traditional sense. My PG27AQDM looks significantly more glossier than the Alienware 240Hz IPS display I bought 4 years ago. I would say it's the best of both worlds
Yeah I agree, I think they should probably find a new word in between both, that will be more representative of the actual coating. (Something like Semi-matte or semi-glossy for example) I tested one friend 240HZ OLED and is not as matte as I thought. I myself have a QD-OLED, I'm happy but when I open the curtains during the day, the Monitor looks more like a really good IPS, because the blacks are more of a gray. OLED technology is good. Most people that spoke about matte or glossy coating are expecting the matte from an IPS and is nowhere near that level of matte.
the new studio space is so good, can't believe you found a warehouse-like space so minimally clean to match your video aesthetic. Excited to see more from this like the racing setup video.
The level of detail being specified in this video while being this short is really incredible. There's a reason why this guy is almost a million sub RUclipsr. Truly top quality videos.
Misinfo presented in a good way is still misinfo. This video is literally light matte vs. semi glossy. The problem is that he doesn't know what he is comparing.
ok then make a good video with perfectly accurate points, stated facts , not even a slight mistake allowed. prove by A+b that one is better than the other one. lets see if you perfectly know what you are talking about then.@@Deffine
I agree with optimum here in every respect! I had the opportunity to test both matte and glossy. I currently own a Corsair Xeneon 27QHD240 W-OLED monitor from 2023 which also has a matte coating and I would never go back to a glossy one as I not only game at night but also work in a very bright room during the day and as shown in the video, the difference between matte and glossy during the day with strong sunlight is huge!
@@rafa2657I'm still super happy with the Xeneon, what you have to keep in mind is that the Xeneon is the first generation of W-Oled monitors but as you said it's one of the cheapest at the moment and you basically can't go wrong with it as it has all the features you need as a more upscale gamer these days. I'm even thinking about getting a second one for a dual monitor setup!
@@rafa2657 You will be okay for sure! The latest firmware 1.0.6 update from corsair will make the Xeneon 33% brighter so keep in mind to update to the latest firmware. The auto brightness limiter on plane white backgrounds is still a bit aggressive but nothing you could not get used to it.
Great video, answering the questions I didn't even know I needed to ask. I would have never considered that WOLED and QD-OLED would handle ambient light differently but it is definitely something to consider when contrast and black levels are some of the major selling points of OLED.
It was a well known behavior of the coating on QD-OLED panels in TVs. After all, we saw these panels first used in TVs, not monitors, and the people do well detailed reviews of TVs in general and the information is readily available from there.
ty for doing this. People were shitting on you on reddit and questioning your integrity. This is such a relief. I already canceled my preorder and so did a bunch of other people. But, going forward people can see your pixel peep examples with both panel types and realize the LG is not a compromised competitor.
I currently own 5 OLED screens/TVs. I just swapped my samsung g9 QD oled for the LG WOLED. And I'm gunna have to agree. My room varies in light as I have multiple other devices and screens in my studio, as well as a window behind me and a window off to the side. The WOLED doesn't have the qd mirror effect, which can be very distracting. QD blacks lose depth once light is introduced. WOLED looks just as sharp/bright no matter the lighting conditions but has no mirror effect or loss of black depth under light. It's almost as if people just prefer a shiny look, no matter. But you missed a small point here. When the screens are off (as in not in use), I prefer the look of QD. The mirror effect on that deep black looks super high end. As where the WOLED doesn't look bad by any means, but doesn't have that shiny on black "pop". But, once you turn them on, basically the same performance minus how they handle reflections. There is no such thing as perfect yall. But these new screens are pretty wild if you can afford them. Just a matter of preference.
I am not writing this to attack you just to point out a funny irony about certain things, but "Exactly the comparison video I have been looking for weeks." you dont happen to try and find this exact comparison from "The display guy" right?
I agree. I actually thought I wasn’t going to be happy with my GR2795QE when I saw all the comments before I bought it. All the panels in my house are glossy OLED including a 48” C2 I use for another monitor, but I didn’t really see a difference after I got it all setup. It’s a sweet monitor other than the HDMI bug.
What you pointed out is exactly what I am experiencing with the Asus 32 inch QD Oled I am in the process of boxing up and returning. The fringing makes Samsungs display not usable for me even at 4K. You just validated what I was experiencing. I am waiting for the 27 inch 480hz variant coming out later this year and going to rock my IPS 165hz a bit longer.
If you get a 1440p WOLED at 27" the fringing is very noticeable. I myself regret not waiting a bit longer and getting the same monitor but 4k 32". (Even cause right now it's the same price as wait I paid mine)
The matte finish on this monitor is not as bad as some people claim it to be. Matte in general is getting a bad reputation and I don't like that people are being shamed for liking it. I do think it would be good to give consumers the option of matte or glossy but crying over someone's opinion is not a good solution. Keep up the good work with your videos by the way my friend.
I like glossy screens but can accept those with differing preferences. I think this is a lot like preference in audio. I enjoy slightly warmer sounding audio with reduced upper mid range and treble. In fact, flat or lifted higher frequencies causes ear fatigue and discomfort for me. So I can’t imagine how others can enjoy it. But many love it! And as long as there are choices for all tastes, that’s all good. We’re finally getting glossy screens and the customer demand will convince monitor manufacturers to keep making them. Let’s not sweat if some still stick to matte.
Great video, I think people worry about this coating "issue" far too much. I have a Sony A80K OLED tv (77") and reflections etc are not an issue even when watching during the daytime, content looks amazing!
Thank you for making this video. People were so up in arms about the matte finish despite almost every reviewers having no issues with matte. drawing attention away from the real strengths and weaknesses of the monitors
Glossy coating is objectively better if you have trouble with your eyes you won't see it. If you have good vision it's very clear to see how bad a matte coating is compared to glossy side by side
@@kinghadu9611 says one side of a polarizing topic is better and claims something is wrong with other people. Bro does your family make you wear a helmet around the house?
wow that macro shot side by side of the w-oled and qd-oled is crazy, even though we don't notice it with our eyes. the QD oled close-up reminds me of older/cheap lenses' chromatic aberration with the way it fringes the colors.
@@NexGenTek yeah we'd never see it, the fringing is basically a non-issue for the QD-OLED... now if only they come down the $500-600 range in the near future...
The red looks a tinny warmer on the Glossy one than the Matte one. Outside of that they look almost identicle color wise and sateration wise. I'd say the glossy one is calibrated to be a tad warmer thats about it, and it only affects that red color.
Every single time Optimum uploads, it's about something I was looking at within the last week. His consistency to be on the same wavelength of stuff I'm thinking about is insane.
I think you’re the only RUclipsr that has compared these new gen monitors. All “matte” coatings are W OLED. And the ones that are glossy are QD OLED. So Im glad you pointed that out and gave us real world comparisons.
You always produce some amazing videos! I always appreciate your candor. I love the new warehouse. There was some minor echoing that I heard. I don't remember hearing it in your Racing Sim video. Just thought I would point it out though. 😄
The best matte coating I ever saw was on an old Benq monitor. It had the look of an old heavy matte coating but as soon as you turn on the display, the view was crystal clear without the semi-gloss look.
He's right everyone, the matte coating is fine. Go ahead and buy the W-OLED monitors instead, leave the QD-OLEDs behind. I will bare the burden of finally being able to buy the Asus QD-OLED.
@@axcn4733 No, they’re not. I’ve owned both. QD-OLED has a bit more punch to the colors, but the blacks look grey, and the contrast isn’t great because of the raised blacks-unless you’re in a dark room. WOLED, though, always gives you those deep, inky blacks and way better contrast.which is way more important than just having slightly punchier colors.(just like he said in the video)
I’ll chime in here with some useful information. That actually proves both are right. I have seen both at my work(Bestbuy) and I have had time to analyze both. The matte coating is phenomenal under our harsh lighting overhead. However viewing content with sharp bright light like white text screens. The matte coating is very obvious. Under normal use though it’s a lot harder since most content is dark by nature. The glossy screens to have a perceivable contrast and color pop to my eyes but I have 20/10 so this isn’t a fair comparison. But I can definitely see why someone would choose one over the other.
I hate reflections, that's why I choose matte. The problem is that the people that prefer glossy will never understand this. When you mention this you will only hear them say "but matte also has reflections, it just scatters them and makes the whole display worse", well sort of, it scatters them, makes them less noticeable and makes it possible to read text and not see my own reflection. Personally I choose no reflections over a bit better contrast and text clarity.
@@pasi123567 i was never personally bothered by reflections until I used a surface laptop 3. I found it really bizarre considering I'm used to using glossy displays everywhere since I hate matte displays. That display really triggered me that day and I understand how you feel. Having said that, my Macbook is glossy and not an issue whatsoever. I have never thought about reflections. Not once. I have also used the surface book 2 and surface laptop 2, all of which had the same issue. It was really quite extreme with them.
@@pasi123567it’s a rather simple argument. Glossy for maximum detail and contrast while gaming in darkness. Matte for slightly hazy image while gaming in light conditions.
@@epzo it has been amazing, can't hear the fan at all. The Matte finish is perfect for my setup, esp during the day. Been playing Valorant at 480hz and then 4K goodness for everything else.
I bought a glossy one, i expected way worse than what i got. The light in my room is very bright and i can only see vauge reflections when there is nothing on the screen and the light is on, might be because it light shines on my back. I've yet to try it on a sunny day, but i can darken my room.
it's so easy in the realm of monitors to just go with whatever the majority sense is, without there being actual real comparisons between 2 products, which is exactly what happened here. The LG monitor was completely out of my mind for consideration until I saw this video, since I fell subject to just thinking glossy is better than matte all the time. Having watched this video now, I think I prefer the matte compared to glossy, especially these 2 monitors you compared. Videos like these are a huge help and much appreciated!
The problem with getting information from Reddit or people's comments is that... Almost EVERYONE just craps on whatever they don't have... Hard to get good information that is good/objective..
I bought the lg and I haven't tested it yet but I'm hesitating to send it back and get the ASUS because I saw after many videos that for single player games and hdr were better on the latter. I don't know what to do
Just switched from MSI 271QPX 360hz oled glossy to the LGgs95ue and matte is definitely better and more consistent. As someone who uses this 50-50 between a light and dark environment the benefits of matte far outweigh the little extra clarity of glossy. Being in a dark and very light controlled room 100% of the time you work or game seems depressing
5:35 I don't get it, the matte one looks more looks blurrier (despite the colour fringing advantage of the LG). This only further convinces me to get the QD-OLED.
@@MrM-dl5zm I use my monitor in a dark room since CG 3D artists requires to cover up our windows when working at home (mostly just to avoid leaks, but added benefits of no distracting reflections). And in this part of the video he was done talking about reflection handling (which I don't care for) and talking about just the coating and pixel layout.
After having the opportunity to use both I think I prefer TV glossy to the semi-matte of the LG 32". But it is too small a difference to make the monitor not still look incredible and the outstanding 480hz mode waaay more than overrules it if you are a competitive gamer like me. I think I prefer the glossy because it almost gives the screen some 3D depth to them, it looks more premium, and I am never ever bothered by seeing my reflection when it is off. My eyes have no problem focusing in a bright room even. I also think the "dirty screen effect" of the semi-matte screen is overhated by people though focusing on it way too much. My main problem with the monitor besides the price is its low brightness which being unsure about both ultimately caused me to return it but I somewhat regret that decision, it is an outstanding monitor.
@@DrakonR that's not a thorough explanation. I'm pretty sure they sent him both products so what's your take on that. He didn't buy any of the two monitors I'm pretty sure so his opinion still remains unbiased no?
If there’s a light shining directly onto your screen from a light bulb or window buy the matte. If the window’s behind your monitor or it’s not very sunny where you live then get the glossy. Glossy isn’t that much clearer. What’s the big deal
I’ve got the 27GS95QE and it’s beautiful! Can use it during the brightest sunny days with blinds opened. I like my natural light. People who want glossy, don’t understand the amount of reflection they’ll get.
@@lukiohearn173 If you are sitting in a generell quiet room in front of your Monitor you can hear it. Yes, a little bit of sound, Music or an Open Window will overshadow it. But if you sometimes sit in silence then you can hear it. The worse part is actually the Violet somewhat reflective Bar at the Bottom of the Screen... But on the positive the LG was already very early available for good discount. The Corsair is Fanless and with an much Cleaner Design.
I don't see the individual pixels being blurrier as a negative at all. If they blurred into each other and affected the surrounding pixels, then yes it would be a problem. But they don't. So the "trade off" of the colour distortion being gone is exclusiviely a plus, at least as far as im concerned.
For me, it's the blooming reflection that I hate for matte panel. Look at 4:50 for example, even though the light reflection is only half across the matte panel and fully across in the glossy one, the reflection still looks significantly more distracting on the matte panel. If you think about it, your big tv is glossy, you small phone is glossy, why the heck that monitors insists on making matte panel? If anything, the environment that a monitor typically sits is probably the easiest environment for you to control the light and reflection, compared to living room that your tv sits in or outdoor environment where your phone is used. It's probably not that big of a deal in practice, but people are paying top dollar for these monitors, I think they have the right to nitpick
Having used glossy and matte displays, I'd prefer matte for a monitor personally. That mainly comes down to working in an office environment or a room with ambient lighting from a window. I'll take hazy blooming over sharp reflections.
I have a Matte Oled Monitor and I think it looks great no complaints when playing in brightly lit room. I'm in my 30's & gaming at night is something I'm moving away from as I'm trying to focus on having good nights rest to be more productive during the day. The Matte finish does not bother me. However these are gaming monitors. I tried using it for productivity like work stuff and it's not meant for that at all the text looks terrible imo. Use these monitors for gaming only imo
Forget matte vs glossy-the main point of the video was why WOLED is better than the overhyped QD-OLED, and as someone who’s owned both, I totally agree with him. having good Black levels and contrast in any lighting condition are way more important than slightly punchier colors.
I think they should be more focused on WOLED vs. QD-OLED because that makes a much bigger impact on the experience, as you mentioned. WOLED handles reflections better at a very slight cost of color and peak brightness (which most won't notice) but offer reportedly less burn-in risk than QD-OLED and no triangle pixels. QD-OLED is more reflective and has slightly better color accuracy and peak brightness, but at the cost of a sub-optimal pixel layout and potentially slightly more burn-in risk.
@@CasepbXnot in this video it doesn't lol. All the colors look brighter and have more contrast than the woled. And that's not just my subjective opinion it's backed up by factual review measurements. If you want my subjective opinion, as someone who owns a woled TV and a QD OLED monitor, when I put them side by side the HDR colors look significantly better on the QD
This breakdown does get me much more excited about the new LG monitor. I'd written it off because of the matte coating after having a personal horrible experience with my current 32" IPS and its inability to produce consistent blacks from ANY viewing angle. But at the end of the day I'd still prefer the LG to have a glossy option or only be glossy because I can personally have faith in the predictability of that experience and be 100% certain there won't be loss of color accuracy or brightness due to the screen coating. Other parts of the monitor can still be bad of course but the coating is one less thing to be on the fence about.
Thank you for this video. There is no shortage of people shouting their opinions online from a place of ignorance, but too few making the comparison side by side.
My biggest issue with any type of matte screen is not because of the higher contrast glossy gives. Its the grainy film you see when the screen shows a white bright part of the screen. If you were too look at the screen during these white bright transitions you do not even need to be close to the screen to pick up this. Its such a aggressive grainy look and its something I can not unsee after noticing it.
There are too many different matte coatings. You cannot expect the consumer to test every single monitor to see if the coating it has is acceptable. Watching RUclipsrs comment on coatings is not enough. We've had cases where one RUclipsr says a coating isn't noticeable at all and another finds it unacceptably ugly. From that point of view it's maybe easier to understand why some want no coating. It will look amazing every time. It should simply be the default option not to obscure the image in any way. It is flabbergasting how manufacturers for so long thought that blocking reflections is more important than image quality when smartphones had glossy screens form the get go. Smartphones that we frequently use outside and walk around with, which makes lighting conditions uncontrollable and yet nobody ever gave a damn. But somehow we should worry about it with a monitor standing in one place in one room...
The thing with phone screens is that you can move them to avoid reflections at a moments notice. Also theyre usually so tiny that youre not gonna get a great viewing experience anyway and most reflections will uniformly take up the entire screen. Monitors, being larger, reflect way more different things in the room. I personally find it pretty distracting to have my face and upper body superimposed on my monitor the entire time and having a matte coating makes that much less severe. Its totally fine, if you dont have any problems with reflections in your room, but I dont get how matte coatings are supposed to be unnecessary. Especially since you can usually choose between options and the image quality loss is imperceptible on most coatings. Especially compared to glare.
@@great_lake Move them to avoid reflections is only somewhat valid. For the most part, when you're outside you're not removing anything by moving it, everything is too bright. Our brains are great at removing reflections though. You can stand in front a shop window and see your reflection if you concentrate on it. By default you're just gonna see whatever is behind the window because that's what you're focusing on. Glossy monitors work like that as well. Not to mention, the mirror reflection is very dark, it's not actually like a normal mirror. If there's an image displayed on your screen you're not gonna see your reflection at all unless you specifically focus on it. I feel like most anti-gloss sentiments come from people who try it but are automatically in reflection-detection mode. If you were to just use it for a while you'd realize it's a non issue. Not to mention that anti-glare coating don't really remove reflections anyway, they just diffuse them. So instead you get large blurry blobs of light which can be just as distracting if you focus on them.
I give a damn because every phone I have ever owned has a matte screen protector. When I look at a screen (phone, monitor, TV, etc), I want to see what's on the screen. Not myself or whatever is behind me. I would gladly take a dip in quality that I will NOT see than a glossy coating/finish that I will DEFINITELY see.
@@gigantoad3261 I mean fair enough. I dont really use my phone for anything I really want to have a good look at in the open anyway so its not like I mind the reflections much. With monitors its probably just different for individuals. I personally find diffuse reflections much easier to block out. Of course actual bright lights will suck whichever monitor you use. I just think its neat to have the option for both, even if it means theres more work in choosing a display. (Hey wouldnt it be great if there were like actual shops where you could compare different panels instead of every retailer moving all of their inventory online?)
The issue isn't with the panel itself. QD-OLED monitors are missing a polarizing layer, and that's why the blacks look lifted. Personally, I think glossy screens with polarization are far superior. Matte screens spread the light all over and completely dull the image. You should check out the LG C2 or C3, both excellent examples of a glossy screen. We should be talking about getting QD-OLED screens to add a polarizing layer, not settling for lesser matte coating.
I had the same question when shopping for the steam deck oled. To me the biggest benefit of a glossy coating is that you can take the screen outside and you will struggle less with reflections. I personally got the matte screen since I don’t play outside
Its only sharper on a microscopic level, in a real life setting where Microsoft refuses to fix this issue the QD Oled is really bad with text clarity unless Microsoft actually makes it as "good" as it is in microscopic level
i just want my WOLED monitor to have the same coating as my WOLED TV, it isn't that hard and i'm sure most of the "Matte on OLED=BAD" comments come from people with Glossy OLED TVs that want exactly that with their smaller displays. IDEK why Matte is the default for LG OLED monitors when the opposite happens for their TV, it is nonsensical.
Bingo. My 27GR95QE-B has an easily perceptible nasty oily coat. That doesn't mean it's not a good display. It's just not as good as my WOLED Glossy TV. I want that picture, at 4k and 240hz. I want to know, did they improve the matte finish on the new panels vs the old.
I absolutely agree man. We prefer the glossiness of the polarizer layered LG C1/C2/C3 TVs. QD-Oled is not glossy IMO when you have a bright environment black levels are impacted while on LG TVs they are not and appear as inky blacks!
because matte is simply better dealing with reflections and people usually have more lights around when on a PC compared to watching movies in the living room. there is a reason why like 95% of monitors always use matte coatings, glossy coatings on monitors is actually quite rare with OLED being a niche exception, and iMacs.
@@patrikmediaso here are my takes; - why there is so much rant and demand about glossy products then? - why oled TVs have it all the way super glossy and successful for generations? - why our mobile phones have it full glossy when we are basically using it outdoors with tons of light? I disagree with your argument as it is rather subjective but if you prefer matte, it is fine. It should not be generalized.
This is why I watch this channel. Settles the argument. I can't stand chromatic bleeding. I have a cheap OLED matte monitor and using it for programming is gross because it still has chromatic bleeding. Plus it doesn't get bright enough for use during the day. Honestly, I'm probably gonna sell it. It was nice for gaming but that's only a fraction of the time I use it for.
The matte finish on the LG is definitely the nicest ive seen. Regardless, a matte finish is a non-negotiable for me. I like to use my PC with natural light coming into my office/game room during the day. Not everyone likes sitting in dim/dark rooms most of the day.
The simple decision for coating is based on your lighting conditions. If there are bright lights or reflective surfaces like windows near the TV/Monitor then you go for Matt. If you have blacked out room or strategic lighting then go gloss.
People are probably really questioning the matte finish on 32GS95UE-B and rather or not its the same as the GR line 27GR95QE-B for example? Original 240hz OLEDs matte finish just looks like a nasty oily coat at least when comparing to glossy WOLED TV's. It's not even close and easily perceptible. What I am asking is if the matte finish has improved on the new OLEDs or is it the same.
@@hugevibezIf this is the case then I cannot possibly understand how Optimum does not see a difference when the problem has been so widely reported. It’s not just conjecture, many users of these previous monitors have made similar observations: oily and grainy coatings.
I have the LG monitor and the Matte finish doesn't look oily at all. Blacks are very deep I've never seen them better than this, and the colors do pop out. I would suggest people to compare them side by side before deciding but this current new model is great.
As someone who gets paid to read/write text on a monitor all day, it makes a difference. Even moving from my work laptop to my personal laptop (both color calibrated) makes the text look more clear and is easier on my eyes despite having lower ppi. work: (thinkpad 15" 4k matte display, 293ppi) -> personal: (m1 pro macbook pro 16, 254ppi)
I had a LG C3 42inch and upgraded to a LG OLED 45 inch Ultra Wide Screen with the Anti glare screen and didn’t like the way the anti glare screen looked vs the glossy C3 so I went back and return the LG Oled 45 inch Ultra wide and repurchase the LG C3 42 inch Oled
That is what I am afraid of as well. I ve been rocking with C2 42inch and I love everything about it except being too large for desktop use. However I am almost sure, going for matte woled or semi-glossy qd-oled will make me sad about the exchange. We need 32inch WOLED with same polarizer application and full glossy as on TVs!
Nice video but honestly that comparison was more like "Semi-glossy" vs "Glossy" panels. The LG isn't matte and seems like the Asus isn't actually glossy as Apple displays or TVs.
True, and the Samsung panels have, even if they are glossy, an anti-reflective coating that is superior to the LG glossy TV displays. The reflection are sharp, but darkened to a high degree on Samsung panels.
I had the AW3225QF and 32GS95UE side by side recently I could see the difference between the two RIGHT AWAY in bright highlights. The matte coating on the LG made the highlights grainy or "oily" whereas the Alienware was crystal clear. I think what is happening is that some people literally can't see the grain/oily rainbow effect that matte coatings cause, similar to how not everyone could see the "rainbow" effect on DLP TVs back in the day (I could).
I completely removed my matte finish on my Alienware dwf qd-oled. Best thing I ever did on my dwf. The colors pop so much more. I'm going to do this for every single oled monitor I have that comes with any matte finish. Wasn't that hard to do either. Just a little time consuming.
@@jrlivingspaces Couple ways. Damp paper towel trick then peel. Or go ham like I did and use a box cutter blade and get under the film and lift / cut it off. There is another ways also. Simple google search will get you quite a few results.
5:05 if the display doesn't have square RGB subpixel layout, it's preferable to have coating that hides the subpixels because small text will appear better. For example, the pixel layout of the Asus monitor here is not supported by subpixel rendering of Windows, MacOS or Linux and you get color fringing around all the diagonal lines of all the text on screen!
Interestingly many in the comments are arguing that the pro glossy camp never had a point but I think the fact that these new displays are *far less matte* proves they had a point all along.
Because he is in a dim room, once you turn on the lights, the matte coating absorbs all the light to reduce glare, making the whole screen look soft and duller. I’m not sure about LG, but after reading every review and Reddit post, I still couldn’t decide. So, I got two QD-OLEDs: the Samsung G80SD (matte and flat) and the Alienware AW3225QF (glossy but curved). I got them on sale, same price, and way cheaper than the Asus model. I really wanted to like the Samsung since I don’t like curved displays, but the matte coating makes the picture visibly soft and slightly dull, killing ssome of the vibrancy and sharpness. It might be good for work or editing, but for gaming, it’s a real trade-off. I’m returning both and thinking about the MSI model, which is flat, glossy, but cheap..
The glossy coating on the LG 42” C2 is perfect for a monitor. LG could use that same coating for their monitors and it would be PERFECT. Any content with large patches of white (web browser) will show grain from matte coatings. You WILL see the grain.
QD-OLED does not have a glossy coating, its semi-glossy. Even TFT Reviews site calls them semi-glossy. They have a slight haze in the coating. Its easy to see if you compare it to a glossy LG C2 for example.
@@Deffine Still its more "clearer" than matte, even optimum showed in his video macro shot. Best of both worlds. The only is lacking is polarizer that would be helpful for those who live in more lighten up rooms.
@@Deffine Exactly! My Alienware 34" dwf everyone says its glossy but its not at all. It's matte still and prone to scratches so freaking easy. I completely removed my matte finish on my Alienware dwf qd-oled. Best thing I ever did. The colors pop so much more. Wasn't that hard to do either. Just a little time consuming.
I've been stuck with matte IPS monitors for a while. Recently, I bought the PG32UCDM with glossy coating, and I have one thing to say: it was a one-way ticket for me - I'm never going back to matte.
@@Cuthalu As Chy wrote, the title is somewhat misleading as it compares WOLED and QD-OLED technologies. For a fair comparison of coatings, we should assess the same screen technology to make a legitimate comparison.
I would go for QD-OLED over W-OLED because of the better colors, not because of the matte coating I had a Samsung Odyssey G7 32 inch which had a Matte coating and it was not even a issue Both type of panels are extremely amazing so it's up to the buyer which one they want
Better colours how? You live in a dark cave like a goblin with 0 sunlight and use the monitor in such setting for 100% of your usage? If not then you're looking for at grey colours not black.
I'm no proffesional, but heres my two cents. I purchased two different 240hz Oleds, as per Optiumums recommendation last year, the LG 240HZ, 1440P Oled and the Aoc counterpart. And I ended up returning both. Here's why. In his reviews he often states that the image looks both clearer and more "3d", and much more vibrant than other IPS monitors. He even said that they looked as sharp as 4K monitors. This was far from my experience. Both monitors looked dirty to me. I could never unsee it, from day one. As for sharpness, they were nowhere near my 4K 144hz IPS. Him even saying that implies to me that its advirtisement talk... I am now running a 4K 42" LG C3. Yes, its reflective. But that i can work around. Shitty picture quality, i cannot. This glossy screen is all i could ever wish for in a monitor, and even though its the same PPI as the 1440P 240Hz, it seems much much clearer and sharper. Crazy good. My advice is look for yourself and don't trust these youtubers at face value anymore, you never know who's in who's pockets.
Most people that knows uses a LG OLED tv as a monitor and i can understand why, You get more bang out of what your paying for and it seems alot of stuff is missing in the monitors Once we get to a point to where a 32" inch monitor has the same quality as your 42" LG C3 then it would be totally worth it but were not there yet and just because the monitor is "OLED" doesn't mean its going to be fye and i think that's where alot of people get caught up on Also, HDR needs to be addressed in windows and monitors as well. Consoles HDR is there 100%, PC needs to catch up
@@DETERMINOLOGY Absolutely right. You can buy a 65" 4K 120 hz Oled for the same price as these 240hz 1440P monitors, in Sweden. It really is a nobrainer..
@@ermirhalitaj5346 not entirely a nobrainer. 120hz dont cut it for me. it is damn choppy when compared to 240hz. u might not notice it if u dont play fast paced shooter games. Money is not an issue for me so definitely rather go on 4k 240hz as compared to 4k 120hz
I'm glad that someone with such a big influence on the gaming community actually bothers to address this topic. I myself have an LG 27GS95QE-B, and I experience no problems with its coating - I also have 2 LG OLED TVs that are glossy, so my basis for comparison is better than most. Glossy doesn't work for everyone, and not everyone wants to sit in a basement with blackout curtains to be able to use their screen (QD-OLED). I got 132 downvotes on a Reddit post because I wrote that LG's matt coating was actually quite nice, and that it didn't ruin my gaming experience or similar 🤦♂ So once again .. THANK YOU 👏
Yeah, its very hard to not shine a flashlight or studio light into monitor to avoid these raised blacks. But hey at least you have washed out colors and no burn in warranty. But who cares about that?
@@MrM-dl5zm LOL. Even normal ambient room lights wash out QD-OLED blacks. Proven by Optimum, LTT, Techless. The colours on WOLED are definitely not in the same league as QD-OLED, but they are still very good. Overall a much better package for many... INKY blacks at all light levels + very good colours... versus INKY blacks and excellent colours only in low light rooms... grey blacks and excellent colours in lit rooms.
Rather than matte vs. glossy, I think the real comparison is window vs. all bricks of the gaming room. If you can't afford a room specifically for gaming and media, the rest doesn't make half of the difference.
I have the glossy AW 27” OLED. If you’re like me and primarily game at night in a dark environment, glossy is far superior imo. There aren’t really any advantages to matte when in an ideal lighting environment.
I play fairly close to my monitor and play high level FPS game and I promise you, having used both WOLED and now QDOLED panels, that the matte coating is SUPER noticeable in games like CS, Valorant, apex. Honestly any game where the brightness ramps up it becomes way easier to notice the graininess.
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I bought a matte OLED late last year with possible fear that I would regret buying because of all of the negative comments, but as optimum states here it's not nearly as matte as older panels. I don't notice the matte at all when the screen is on and am very happy with how it looks.
Are you experiencing any eye strain agter long periods of use? and are there any burns in the monitor right now? And you have W-OLED or QD-OLED?
@@imagamershorts No eye strain yet, but in low light I make sure to turn on blue light blockers etc, and turn down brightness at night. I jumped from my original monitor (KTC 27" OLED to acer x32 x3 32" OLED) so didnt use either for over a year but 0 burn in so far on both.
Thank you for making this video! A Couple years back I switched from an older matte finish monitor to a new glossy finish monitor and I felt that the glossy finish had a big effect on improving the contrast and sharpness. Overall, I much prefer it. It’s good to know that monitors that are labeled with having a matte finish in 2024 are not the same as monitors from years past that had a matte finish.
Don't get your hopes up too much because a common complain with these LG OLED monitors are that the coating looks oily and grainy. I don't know if it's a person to person thing if Optimum can't see it, but matte is most certainly still a big issue for a good deal of people.
@@noidsuper Yes I think it also depend from constructor to constructor I'm pretty sure that asus matte finish still sux even in 2024
This very concept is what people can't grasp
Thing is that my room layout has no reflection issues. So I simply have no need to compromise and am glossy all the way.
@@noidsuper I can't see any grain on my OLED LG monitor from 2023. Did you verify these claims in person or did you just pass on hearsay?
Optimum uploading at a optimal time
with optimal content as well! Gotta love it!!!
What a poor comment. Do better
@@riomendoza1111 irony
@@riomendoza1111 wtf
Semi gloss would be a good balance
Always appreciate the in depth reviews Optimum produces.
The "matte" coatings on the newer OLEDs are not quite matte in a traditional sense. My PG27AQDM looks significantly more glossier than the Alienware 240Hz IPS display I bought 4 years ago. I would say it's the best of both worlds
He says that in the video
@@CertifiedSlamboywho gives a shit just let the guy say his opinion
@@CertifiedSlamboy my bad
Agreed, color and details aren't necessarily compromised when it's done right. Hopefully more companies jump on this train.
Yeah I agree, I think they should probably find a new word in between both, that will be more representative of the actual coating. (Something like Semi-matte or semi-glossy for example)
I tested one friend 240HZ OLED and is not as matte as I thought. I myself have a QD-OLED, I'm happy but when I open the curtains during the day, the Monitor looks more like a really good IPS, because the blacks are more of a gray. OLED technology is good.
Most people that spoke about matte or glossy coating are expecting the matte from an IPS and is nowhere near that level of matte.
the new studio space is so good, can't believe you found a warehouse-like space so minimally clean to match your video aesthetic. Excited to see more from this like the racing setup video.
The level of detail being specified in this video while being this short is really incredible.
There's a reason why this guy is almost a million sub RUclipsr.
Truly top quality videos.
Misinfo presented in a good way is still misinfo. This video is literally light matte vs. semi glossy. The problem is that he doesn't know what he is comparing.
ok then make a good video with perfectly accurate points, stated facts , not even a slight mistake allowed. prove by A+b that one is better than the other one. lets see if you perfectly know what you are talking about then.@@Deffine
@@Gekihen_ Poor attempt at apologism.
@@Gekihen_pepega response
@@Deffine just want to know real information since this is misinfo, and why this is missinfo. Tired of hearing waa waa matte bad
You nailed it I think. Your video solves my biggest dilemma on which these two specific monitors should I choose.
and which one do you prefer now? Curious. Glossy?
Which@@LXR_86
Thank you very much for the video! Been here ever since you inspired me to build in the NCASE M1 and your content has only gotten better.
I agree with optimum here in every respect! I had the opportunity to test both matte and glossy. I currently own a Corsair Xeneon 27QHD240 W-OLED monitor from 2023 which also has a matte coating and I would never go back to a glossy one as I not only game at night but also work in a very bright room during the day and as shown in the video, the difference between matte and glossy during the day with strong sunlight is huge!
Hey how is your monitor? I'm thinking to get one! I'm considering the 27QHD240, qd-oled alienware or Asus PG27AQDM. Xeneon has a mutch better price.
@@rafa2657I'm still super happy with the Xeneon, what you have to keep in mind is that the Xeneon is the first generation of W-Oled monitors but as you said it's one of the cheapest at the moment and you basically can't go wrong with it as it has all the features you need as a more upscale gamer these days.
I'm even thinking about getting a second one for a dual monitor setup!
@@dnbsupporter5643 thanks! My only fear is the brightness of it. But my ips monitor is not that bright, only 250 nits, so I think I will be ok. lol
@@rafa2657 You will be okay for sure!
The latest firmware 1.0.6 update from corsair will make the Xeneon 33% brighter so keep in mind to update to the latest firmware.
The auto brightness limiter on plane white backgrounds is still a bit aggressive but nothing you could not get used to it.
Great video, answering the questions I didn't even know I needed to ask. I would have never considered that WOLED and QD-OLED would handle ambient light differently but it is definitely something to consider when contrast and black levels are some of the major selling points of OLED.
It was a well known behavior of the coating on QD-OLED panels in TVs. After all, we saw these panels first used in TVs, not monitors, and the people do well detailed reviews of TVs in general and the information is readily available from there.
ty for doing this. People were shitting on you on reddit and questioning your integrity. This is such a relief. I already canceled my preorder and so did a bunch of other people. But, going forward people can see your pixel peep examples with both panel types and realize the LG is not a compromised competitor.
Literally put them side by side and see for yourself. 9/10 you'll pick the QD-OLED gloss.
Absolute optimal content! gotta love it!!!
I currently own 5 OLED screens/TVs. I just swapped my samsung g9 QD oled for the LG WOLED. And I'm gunna have to agree. My room varies in light as I have multiple other devices and screens in my studio, as well as a window behind me and a window off to the side. The WOLED doesn't have the qd mirror effect, which can be very distracting. QD blacks lose depth once light is introduced. WOLED looks just as sharp/bright no matter the lighting conditions but has no mirror effect or loss of black depth under light. It's almost as if people just prefer a shiny look, no matter. But you missed a small point here. When the screens are off (as in not in use), I prefer the look of QD. The mirror effect on that deep black looks super high end. As where the WOLED doesn't look bad by any means, but doesn't have that shiny on black "pop". But, once you turn them on, basically the same performance minus how they handle reflections. There is no such thing as perfect yall. But these new screens are pretty wild if you can afford them. Just a matter of preference.
Exactly the comparison video i have been looking for weeks. Thanks man
I am not writing this to attack you just to point out a funny irony about certain things, but "Exactly the comparison video I have been looking for weeks." you dont happen to try and find this exact comparison from "The display guy" right?
I agree. I actually thought I wasn’t going to be happy with my GR2795QE when I saw all the comments before I bought it. All the panels in my house are glossy OLED including a 48” C2 I use for another monitor, but I didn’t really see a difference after I got it all setup. It’s a sweet monitor other than the HDMI bug.
What you pointed out is exactly what I am experiencing with the Asus 32 inch QD Oled I am in the process of boxing up and returning. The fringing makes Samsungs display not usable for me even at 4K. You just validated what I was experiencing. I am waiting for the 27 inch 480hz variant coming out later this year and going to rock my IPS 165hz a bit longer.
If you get a 1440p WOLED at 27" the fringing is very noticeable.
I myself regret not waiting a bit longer and getting the same monitor but 4k 32". (Even cause right now it's the same price as wait I paid mine)
@@lnx648 what monitor is that?
totally mine is msi 32 awful fringing mye eys hurt
I was waiting for this video. Thank you 🙏🏾
Great Video Man! Probably one of the best Matte vs. GLOSSY videos I have seen. I need that LG in my life.. but that Asus be looking good tho
Even though they are calling it matte it's actually a semi-gloss coating, not full gloss but semi-gloss, it's definitely not a matte coating
The matte finish on this monitor is not as bad as some people claim it to be. Matte in general is getting a bad reputation and I don't like that people are being shamed for liking it. I do think it would be good to give consumers the option of matte or glossy but crying over someone's opinion is not a good solution. Keep up the good work with your videos by the way my friend.
I recently got the LG 27GS95QE and is not that bad i actully love it lol😅@@ShrineMedium
@@ShrineMediumi just wish they added hgig like on my lg oled tv
@@ShrineMedium Yeah, i do wish LG offered both, also if the included USB C and Dolby vision.
Dude, your shadows and lights are top notch. Wanted to give some credit to the little things that add to the excellent overall production quality.
I like glossy screens but can accept those with differing preferences. I think this is a lot like preference in audio. I enjoy slightly warmer sounding audio with reduced upper mid range and treble. In fact, flat or lifted higher frequencies causes ear fatigue and discomfort for me. So I can’t imagine how others can enjoy it. But many love it! And as long as there are choices for all tastes, that’s all good. We’re finally getting glossy screens and the customer demand will convince monitor manufacturers to keep making them. Let’s not sweat if some still stick to matte.
Great video and definitely needs to be shared. Digital trends also did a great job covering matte vs glossy at CES this year.
Thanks for the info. I LOVE my AW32 QD-OLED. LOVE it.
It's smoll and prone to burn in.
Great video, I think people worry about this coating "issue" far too much. I have a Sony A80K OLED tv (77") and reflections etc are not an issue even when watching during the daytime, content looks amazing!
Thank you for making this video. People were so up in arms about the matte finish despite almost every reviewers having no issues with matte. drawing attention away from the real strengths and weaknesses of the monitors
Such as no USB C or Dolby Vision support.
@@MaZEEZaMwhich one is that? Also why would you need either of those things?
Glossy coating is objectively better if you have trouble with your eyes you won't see it. If you have good vision it's very clear to see how bad a matte coating is compared to glossy side by side
@@kinghadu9611 says one side of a polarizing topic is better and claims something is wrong with other people.
Bro does your family make you wear a helmet around the house?
@@hitman480channel8 basic science = "polarizing" LMFAO next you wil say math is racist 🤣🤣🤣
wow that macro shot side by side of the w-oled and qd-oled is crazy, even though we don't notice it with our eyes. the QD oled close-up reminds me of older/cheap lenses' chromatic aberration with the way it fringes the colors.
You’d never see it! QD is just simply better tho
@@NexGenTek yeah we'd never see it, the fringing is basically a non-issue for the QD-OLED... now if only they come down the $500-600 range in the near future...
@ 2:12 you can tell a difference between the panels. The QD-oled is providing more saturation to the colors.
The red looks a tinny warmer on the Glossy one than the Matte one. Outside of that they look almost identicle color wise and sateration wise. I'd say the glossy one is calibrated to be a tad warmer thats about it, and it only affects that red color.
This video nailed the answer of which monitor I should buy. Thank you.
Every single time Optimum uploads, it's about something I was looking at within the last week. His consistency to be on the same wavelength of stuff I'm thinking about is insane.
I think you’re the only RUclipsr that has compared these new gen monitors. All “matte” coatings are W OLED. And the ones that are glossy are QD OLED. So Im glad you pointed that out and gave us real world comparisons.
You always produce some amazing videos! I always appreciate your candor.
I love the new warehouse. There was some minor echoing that I heard. I don't remember hearing it in your Racing Sim video. Just thought I would point it out though. 😄
The best matte coating I ever saw was on an old Benq monitor. It had the look of an old heavy matte coating but as soon as you turn on the display, the view was crystal clear without the semi-gloss look.
He's right everyone, the matte coating is fine. Go ahead and buy the W-OLED monitors instead, leave the QD-OLEDs behind. I will bare the burden of finally being able to buy the Asus QD-OLED.
qd oled are better
@@axcn4733 No, they’re not. I’ve owned both. QD-OLED has a bit more punch to the colors, but the blacks look grey, and the contrast isn’t great because of the raised blacks-unless you’re in a dark room. WOLED, though, always gives you those deep, inky blacks and way better contrast.which is way more important than just having slightly punchier colors.(just like he said in the video)
Qd-oled is 10x better. Don’t get gaslighted 😂
@@kal-el982what makes them better?
@@kasadam85 bcoz of being glossy only. I’ve had matte oled. Trust me, it ruins the quality of every details.
Thank you for the update. I'm in the market for just this product and you're coming in with the best review yet. Thank you
I’ll chime in here with some useful information. That actually proves both are right.
I have seen both at my work(Bestbuy) and I have had time to analyze both.
The matte coating is phenomenal under our harsh lighting overhead. However viewing content with sharp bright light like white text screens. The matte coating is very obvious. Under normal use though it’s a lot harder since most content is dark by nature.
The glossy screens to have a perceivable contrast and color pop to my eyes but I have 20/10 so this isn’t a fair comparison.
But I can definitely see why someone would choose one over the other.
I hate reflections, that's why I choose matte. The problem is that the people that prefer glossy will never understand this. When you mention this you will only hear them say "but matte also has reflections, it just scatters them and makes the whole display worse", well sort of, it scatters them, makes them less noticeable and makes it possible to read text and not see my own reflection. Personally I choose no reflections over a bit better contrast and text clarity.
@@pasi123567 i was never personally bothered by reflections until I used a surface laptop 3. I found it really bizarre considering I'm used to using glossy displays everywhere since I hate matte displays. That display really triggered me that day and I understand how you feel. Having said that, my Macbook is glossy and not an issue whatsoever. I have never thought about reflections. Not once. I have also used the surface book 2 and surface laptop 2, all of which had the same issue. It was really quite extreme with them.
@@pasi123567 Agreed.
@@pasi123567it’s a rather simple argument. Glossy for maximum detail and contrast while gaming in darkness. Matte for slightly hazy image while gaming in light conditions.
This man has genuinely one of the most video quality that I’ve seen in my entire life PLEASE KEEP UP THIS AMAZING CONTENT
I preordered this LG, cant wait! Thanks for the review and impressions
Hope the cooling fan will be silent
big mistake
@@epzo it has been amazing, can't hear the fan at all. The Matte finish is perfect for my setup, esp during the day. Been playing Valorant at 480hz and then 4K goodness for everything else.
@@epzohow do you enjoy your 720p monitor?
@@gudadryckful asus has better 4k 240hz
Straight to the point, no BS. Thank you for this quality video!
4:30 This is exactly why I can't go ever with glossy panels, you can see all the reflections, even your face, it's like looking into mirror
I bought a glossy one, i expected way worse than what i got. The light in my room is very bright and i can only see vauge reflections when there is nothing on the screen and the light is on, might be because it light shines on my back. I've yet to try it on a sunny day, but i can darken my room.
it's so easy in the realm of monitors to just go with whatever the majority sense is, without there being actual real comparisons between 2 products, which is exactly what happened here. The LG monitor was completely out of my mind for consideration until I saw this video, since I fell subject to just thinking glossy is better than matte all the time. Having watched this video now, I think I prefer the matte compared to glossy, especially these 2 monitors you compared. Videos like these are a huge help and much appreciated!
The problem with getting information from Reddit or people's comments is that... Almost EVERYONE just craps on whatever they don't have... Hard to get good information that is good/objective..
Great point
I bought the lg and I haven't tested it yet but I'm hesitating to send it back and get the ASUS because I saw after many videos that for single player games and hdr were better on the latter. I don't know what to do
@@kidnayza7484 same
@@kidnayza7484they’re basically the same shi, don’t return it 😂
Just switched from MSI 271QPX 360hz oled glossy to the LGgs95ue and matte is definitely better and more consistent. As someone who uses this 50-50 between a light and dark environment the benefits of matte far outweigh the little extra clarity of glossy. Being in a dark and very light controlled room 100% of the time you work or game seems depressing
5:35 I don't get it, the matte one looks more looks blurrier (despite the colour fringing advantage of the LG). This only further convinces me to get the QD-OLED.
"Reflections handling?" Does people even seen thumbnail of the video?
@@MrM-dl5zm I use my monitor in a dark room since CG 3D artists requires to cover up our windows when working at home (mostly just to avoid leaks, but added benefits of no distracting reflections). And in this part of the video he was done talking about reflection handling (which I don't care for) and talking about just the coating and pixel layout.
In my zoom meeting, we talk in the dark with just the light of our monitor as our light source xD
After having the opportunity to use both I think I prefer TV glossy to the semi-matte of the LG 32". But it is too small a difference to make the monitor not still look incredible and the outstanding 480hz mode waaay more than overrules it if you are a competitive gamer like me. I think I prefer the glossy because it almost gives the screen some 3D depth to them, it looks more premium, and I am never ever bothered by seeing my reflection when it is off. My eyes have no problem focusing in a bright room even. I also think the "dirty screen effect" of the semi-matte screen is overhated by people though focusing on it way too much. My main problem with the monitor besides the price is its low brightness which being unsure about both ultimately caused me to return it but I somewhat regret that decision, it is an outstanding monitor.
Actually helped me decide so much. This is crazy thank you optimum. I am now considering the LG monitor
He's shilling, but take him for his word anyway.
@@DrakonR explain in full detail how he's shilling
@@JosoLifts when you receive products to review, it tends to skew the bias. Just saying.
@@DrakonR that's not a thorough explanation. I'm pretty sure they sent him both products so what's your take on that. He didn't buy any of the two monitors I'm pretty sure so his opinion still remains unbiased no?
If there’s a light shining directly onto your screen from a light bulb or window buy the matte. If the window’s behind your monitor or it’s not very sunny where you live then get the glossy. Glossy isn’t that much clearer. What’s the big deal
About to pull the trigger on my first oled- thank you for this vid! Such a relief
I’ve got the 27GS95QE and it’s beautiful! Can use it during the brightest sunny days with blinds opened. I like my natural light. People who want glossy, don’t understand the amount of reflection they’ll get.
Can you hear the fan Inside the Monitor?
@@lukiohearn173 Not unless I have audio from speakers muted and I put my ear contactint the air vent.
@@lukiohearn173 If you are sitting in a generell quiet room in front of your Monitor you can hear it. Yes, a little bit of sound, Music or an Open Window will overshadow it.
But if you sometimes sit in silence then you can hear it.
The worse part is actually the Violet somewhat reflective Bar at the Bottom of the Screen...
But on the positive the LG was already very early available for good discount.
The Corsair is Fanless and with an much Cleaner Design.
your studio with that lighting looks really cool
Thanks, Ali. You made my purchase decision a little bit easier now.
I don't see the individual pixels being blurrier as a negative at all. If they blurred into each other and affected the surrounding pixels, then yes it would be a problem. But they don't. So the "trade off" of the colour distortion being gone is exclusiviely a plus, at least as far as im concerned.
For me, it's the blooming reflection that I hate for matte panel. Look at 4:50 for example, even though the light reflection is only half across the matte panel and fully across in the glossy one, the reflection still looks significantly more distracting on the matte panel.
If you think about it, your big tv is glossy, you small phone is glossy, why the heck that monitors insists on making matte panel? If anything, the environment that a monitor typically sits is probably the easiest environment for you to control the light and reflection, compared to living room that your tv sits in or outdoor environment where your phone is used.
It's probably not that big of a deal in practice, but people are paying top dollar for these monitors, I think they have the right to nitpick
Having used glossy and matte displays, I'd prefer matte for a monitor personally. That mainly comes down to working in an office environment or a room with ambient lighting from a window. I'll take hazy blooming over sharp reflections.
All that yap to say absolutely nothing at all. This panel isn't even really matte so your breath is wasted. Lol.
All that yap to say absolutely nothing at all. This panel isn't even really matte so your breath is wasted. Lol.
really cool explanation
Excellent video and squashes a lot of the noise currently going on about these monitors. Really appreciate it!
I have a Matte Oled Monitor and I think it looks great no complaints when playing in brightly lit room. I'm in my 30's & gaming at night is something I'm moving away from as I'm trying to focus on having good nights rest to be more productive during the day. The Matte finish does not bother me. However these are gaming monitors. I tried using it for productivity like work stuff and it's not meant for that at all the text looks terrible imo. Use these monitors for gaming only imo
Forget matte vs glossy-the main point of the video was why WOLED is better than the overhyped QD-OLED, and as someone who’s owned both, I totally agree with him. having good Black levels and contrast in any lighting condition are way more important than slightly punchier colors.
Love my glossy PG32.
I think they should be more focused on WOLED vs. QD-OLED because that makes a much bigger impact on the experience, as you mentioned.
WOLED handles reflections better at a very slight cost of color and peak brightness (which most won't notice) but offer reportedly less burn-in risk than QD-OLED and no triangle pixels.
QD-OLED is more reflective and has slightly better color accuracy and peak brightness, but at the cost of a sub-optimal pixel layout and potentially slightly more burn-in risk.
Actually WOLED has better overall brightness.
@@CasepbXnot in this video it doesn't lol. All the colors look brighter and have more contrast than the woled. And that's not just my subjective opinion it's backed up by factual review measurements. If you want my subjective opinion, as someone who owns a woled TV and a QD OLED monitor, when I put them side by side the HDR colors look significantly better on the QD
Wish I could get qd oled colour volume with LG perfect blacks. (qd oled black levels are worse than LCD)@@Relex_92
This breakdown does get me much more excited about the new LG monitor. I'd written it off because of the matte coating after having a personal horrible experience with my current 32" IPS and its inability to produce consistent blacks from ANY viewing angle.
But at the end of the day I'd still prefer the LG to have a glossy option or only be glossy because I can personally have faith in the predictability of that experience and be 100% certain there won't be loss of color accuracy or brightness due to the screen coating. Other parts of the monitor can still be bad of course but the coating is one less thing to be on the fence about.
Thank you for this video. There is no shortage of people shouting their opinions online from a place of ignorance, but too few making the comparison side by side.
My biggest issue with any type of matte screen is not because of the higher contrast glossy gives. Its the grainy film you see when the screen shows a white bright part of the screen. If you were too look at the screen during these white bright transitions you do not even need to be close to the screen to pick up this. Its such a aggressive grainy look and its something I can not unsee after noticing it.
There are too many different matte coatings. You cannot expect the consumer to test every single monitor to see if the coating it has is acceptable. Watching RUclipsrs comment on coatings is not enough. We've had cases where one RUclipsr says a coating isn't noticeable at all and another finds it unacceptably ugly.
From that point of view it's maybe easier to understand why some want no coating. It will look amazing every time. It should simply be the default option not to obscure the image in any way. It is flabbergasting how manufacturers for so long thought that blocking reflections is more important than image quality when smartphones had glossy screens form the get go. Smartphones that we frequently use outside and walk around with, which makes lighting conditions uncontrollable and yet nobody ever gave a damn. But somehow we should worry about it with a monitor standing in one place in one room...
The thing with phone screens is that you can move them to avoid reflections at a moments notice. Also theyre usually so tiny that youre not gonna get a great viewing experience anyway and most reflections will uniformly take up the entire screen. Monitors, being larger, reflect way more different things in the room. I personally find it pretty distracting to have my face and upper body superimposed on my monitor the entire time and having a matte coating makes that much less severe. Its totally fine, if you dont have any problems with reflections in your room, but I dont get how matte coatings are supposed to be unnecessary. Especially since you can usually choose between options and the image quality loss is imperceptible on most coatings. Especially compared to glare.
@@great_lake Move them to avoid reflections is only somewhat valid. For the most part, when you're outside you're not removing anything by moving it, everything is too bright. Our brains are great at removing reflections though. You can stand in front a shop window and see your reflection if you concentrate on it. By default you're just gonna see whatever is behind the window because that's what you're focusing on. Glossy monitors work like that as well. Not to mention, the mirror reflection is very dark, it's not actually like a normal mirror. If there's an image displayed on your screen you're not gonna see your reflection at all unless you specifically focus on it.
I feel like most anti-gloss sentiments come from people who try it but are automatically in reflection-detection mode. If you were to just use it for a while you'd realize it's a non issue. Not to mention that anti-glare coating don't really remove reflections anyway, they just diffuse them. So instead you get large blurry blobs of light which can be just as distracting if you focus on them.
I give a damn because every phone I have ever owned has a matte screen protector. When I look at a screen (phone, monitor, TV, etc), I want to see what's on the screen. Not myself or whatever is behind me. I would gladly take a dip in quality that I will NOT see than a glossy coating/finish that I will DEFINITELY see.
@@commandwolf713 Yeah hey, at least you go all the way. Kudos to you. That's not the vast majority of people though.
@@gigantoad3261 I mean fair enough. I dont really use my phone for anything I really want to have a good look at in the open anyway so its not like I mind the reflections much. With monitors its probably just different for individuals. I personally find diffuse reflections much easier to block out. Of course actual bright lights will suck whichever monitor you use. I just think its neat to have the option for both, even if it means theres more work in choosing a display. (Hey wouldnt it be great if there were like actual shops where you could compare different panels instead of every retailer moving all of their inventory online?)
Eyes changing focus with glossy trying to get away from the reflection is actually great exercise for the eyes muscles.
The issue isn't with the panel itself. QD-OLED monitors are missing a polarizing layer, and that's why the blacks look lifted. Personally, I think glossy screens with polarization are far superior. Matte screens spread the light all over and completely dull the image. You should check out the LG C2 or C3, both excellent examples of a glossy screen. We should be talking about getting QD-OLED screens to add a polarizing layer, not settling for lesser matte coating.
I had the same question when shopping for the steam deck oled. To me the biggest benefit of a glossy coating is that you can take the screen outside and you will struggle less with reflections. I personally got the matte screen since I don’t play outside
With the same black levels,I far prefer no color fringing over a tiny bit of sharpness.
QD oled black levels are worse than LCD with any ambient light involved. It only has perfect 'oled' black in a pitch black room.
Its only sharper on a microscopic level, in a real life setting where Microsoft refuses to fix this issue the QD Oled is really bad with text clarity unless Microsoft actually makes it as "good" as it is in microscopic level
@@definingslawek4731 Yes unless you live like a goblin in a dark cave with 0% light glossy goes closer to grey than black.
Thank you very much for your informative video. I looked for a tip button and couldn't find one but I subscribed to your channel.
i just want my WOLED monitor to have the same coating as my WOLED TV, it isn't that hard and i'm sure most of the "Matte on OLED=BAD" comments come from people with Glossy OLED TVs that want exactly that with their smaller displays. IDEK why Matte is the default for LG OLED monitors when the opposite happens for their TV, it is nonsensical.
Bingo. My 27GR95QE-B has an easily perceptible nasty oily coat. That doesn't mean it's not a good display. It's just not as good as my WOLED Glossy TV. I want that picture, at 4k and 240hz. I want to know, did they improve the matte finish on the new panels vs the old.
I absolutely agree man. We prefer the glossiness of the polarizer layered LG C1/C2/C3 TVs. QD-Oled is not glossy IMO when you have a bright environment black levels are impacted while on LG TVs they are not and appear as inky blacks!
because matte is simply better dealing with reflections and people usually have more lights around when on a PC compared to watching movies in the living room. there is a reason why like 95% of monitors always use matte coatings, glossy coatings on monitors is actually quite rare with OLED being a niche exception, and iMacs.
@@patrikmediaso here are my takes;
- why there is so much rant and demand about glossy products then?
- why oled TVs have it all the way super glossy and successful for generations?
- why our mobile phones have it full glossy when we are basically using it outdoors with tons of light?
I disagree with your argument as it is rather subjective but if you prefer matte, it is fine. It should not be generalized.
Exactly this. Even if it’s less matte or whatever it’s still not as good as glossy.
One of the rare channels which actually have informative content
then you have that dork that display guys saying this is a terrible monitor just cause its matte. shows why he only got 20k subs.
This is why I watch this channel. Settles the argument. I can't stand chromatic bleeding. I have a cheap OLED matte monitor and using it for programming is gross because it still has chromatic bleeding. Plus it doesn't get bright enough for use during the day. Honestly, I'm probably gonna sell it. It was nice for gaming but that's only a fraction of the time I use it for.
Which model?
PERFECTLY TIMED HELL YEAAAAAAAAH
Super useful comparison, thank you!
The matte finish on the LG is definitely the nicest ive seen. Regardless, a matte finish is a non-negotiable for me. I like to use my PC with natural light coming into my office/game room during the day. Not everyone likes sitting in dim/dark rooms most of the day.
The simple decision for coating is based on your lighting conditions. If there are bright lights or reflective surfaces like windows near the TV/Monitor then you go for Matt. If you have blacked out room or strategic lighting then go gloss.
People are probably really questioning the matte finish on 32GS95UE-B and rather or not its the same as the GR line 27GR95QE-B for example? Original 240hz OLEDs matte finish just looks like a nasty oily coat at least when comparing to glossy WOLED TV's. It's not even close and easily perceptible. What I am asking is if the matte finish has improved on the new OLEDs or is it the same.
Reports from the matte-critical crowd and the macro shot of this panel seem to indicate it's the same coating.
@@hugevibezIf this is the case then I cannot possibly understand how Optimum does not see a difference when the problem has been so widely reported. It’s not just conjecture, many users of these previous monitors have made similar observations: oily and grainy coatings.
@@noidsuperagreed. Such a shame they ruined the appeal of this monitor with a matte coating. LG failed once again.
I have the LG monitor and the Matte finish doesn't look oily at all. Blacks are very deep I've never seen them better than this, and the colors do pop out. I would suggest people to compare them side by side before deciding but this current new model is great.
As someone who gets paid to read/write text on a monitor all day, it makes a difference.
Even moving from my work laptop to my personal laptop (both color calibrated) makes the text look more clear and is easier on my eyes despite having lower ppi.
work: (thinkpad 15" 4k matte display, 293ppi) -> personal: (m1 pro macbook pro 16, 254ppi)
Which monitor do you prefer? Matte or glossy? WOLED or QDOLED?
I had a LG C3 42inch and upgraded to a LG OLED 45 inch Ultra Wide Screen with the Anti glare screen and didn’t like the way the anti glare screen looked vs the glossy C3 so I went back and return the LG Oled 45 inch Ultra wide and repurchase the LG C3 42 inch Oled
That is what I am afraid of as well. I ve been rocking with C2 42inch and I love everything about it except being too large for desktop use.
However I am almost sure, going for matte woled or semi-glossy qd-oled will make me sad about the exchange. We need 32inch WOLED with same polarizer application and full glossy as on TVs!
Appreciate you going through all this.
Nice video but honestly that comparison was more like "Semi-glossy" vs "Glossy" panels.
The LG isn't matte and seems like the Asus isn't actually glossy as Apple displays or TVs.
True, and the Samsung panels have, even if they are glossy, an anti-reflective coating that is superior to the LG glossy TV displays. The reflection are sharp, but darkened to a high degree on Samsung panels.
Isn't that his point? Matte screens aren't really matte anymore, at least for monitors.
@@ArdentMoogle True
Exactly
@@ArdentMoogleno that's dishonest, most mattes are cheap mush nonsense.
I had the AW3225QF and 32GS95UE side by side recently I could see the difference between the two RIGHT AWAY in bright highlights. The matte coating on the LG made the highlights grainy or "oily" whereas the Alienware was crystal clear. I think what is happening is that some people literally can't see the grain/oily rainbow effect that matte coatings cause, similar to how not everyone could see the "rainbow" effect on DLP TVs back in the day (I could).
I completely removed my matte finish on my Alienware dwf qd-oled. Best thing I ever did on my dwf. The colors pop so much more. I'm going to do this for every single oled monitor I have that comes with any matte finish. Wasn't that hard to do either. Just a little time consuming.
How?
Yes how??
@@jrlivingspaces Couple ways. Damp paper towel trick then peel. Or go ham like I did and use a box cutter blade and get under the film and lift / cut it off. There is another ways also. Simple google search will get you quite a few results.
5:05 if the display doesn't have square RGB subpixel layout, it's preferable to have coating that hides the subpixels because small text will appear better. For example, the pixel layout of the Asus monitor here is not supported by subpixel rendering of Windows, MacOS or Linux and you get color fringing around all the diagonal lines of all the text on screen!
Interestingly many in the comments are arguing that the pro glossy camp never had a point but I think the fact that these new displays are *far less matte* proves they had a point all along.
Don't point out the obvious!
Because he is in a dim room, once you turn on the lights, the matte coating absorbs all the light to reduce glare, making the whole screen look soft and duller.
I’m not sure about LG, but after reading every review and Reddit post, I still couldn’t decide. So, I got two QD-OLEDs: the Samsung G80SD (matte and flat) and the Alienware AW3225QF (glossy but curved). I got them on sale, same price, and way cheaper than the Asus model.
I really wanted to like the Samsung since I don’t like curved displays, but the matte coating makes the picture visibly soft and slightly dull, killing ssome of the vibrancy and sharpness. It might be good for work or editing, but for gaming, it’s a real trade-off. I’m returning both and thinking about the MSI model, which is flat, glossy, but cheap..
Don't watch The display guy. I feel like he acts on impulse. I appreciate your sincerity.
yea this dude is just cringe
The glossy coating on the LG 42” C2 is perfect for a monitor. LG could use that same coating for their monitors and it would be PERFECT.
Any content with large patches of white (web browser) will show grain from matte coatings. You WILL see the grain.
yep, lots people include me use lg c2 as pc monitor for gaming.
Glossy's clarity is still better, I prefer glossy on the QD oled, but the lack of fringing on the WOLED. can we have glossy woled?
You won't notice fringing. Text is tack sharp same as you won't notice letter shadows on LG panels @ 4K
QD-OLED does not have a glossy coating, its semi-glossy. Even TFT Reviews site calls them semi-glossy. They have a slight haze in the coating. Its easy to see if you compare it to a glossy LG C2 for example.
@@Deffine Yes both monitors is somewhere inbetween
@@Deffine Still its more "clearer" than matte, even optimum showed in his video macro shot. Best of both worlds. The only is lacking is polarizer that would be helpful for those who live in more lighten up rooms.
@@Deffine Exactly! My Alienware 34" dwf everyone says its glossy but its not at all. It's matte still and prone to scratches so freaking easy. I completely removed my matte finish on my Alienware dwf qd-oled. Best thing I ever did. The colors pop so much more. Wasn't that hard to do either. Just a little time consuming.
optimum out there killin it - thanks 4 making this one bro!
I've been stuck with matte IPS monitors for a while. Recently, I bought the PG32UCDM with glossy coating, and I have one thing to say: it was a one-way ticket for me - I'm never going back to matte.
It's almost as if you didn't watch this video.
@@Cuthalu this video for the most part has nothing to do with matte vs semi-glossy. Rather its the differences between WOLED and QD-OLED.
@@Cuthalu As Chy wrote, the title is somewhat misleading as it compares WOLED and QD-OLED technologies. For a fair comparison of coatings, we should assess the same screen technology to make a legitimate comparison.
I would go for QD-OLED over W-OLED because of the better colors, not because of the matte coating
I had a Samsung Odyssey G7 32 inch which had a Matte coating and it was not even a issue
Both type of panels are extremely amazing so it's up to the buyer which one they want
Better colours how? You live in a dark cave like a goblin with 0 sunlight and use the monitor in such setting for 100% of your usage? If not then you're looking for at grey colours not black.
@@sadasd-n2f Because I am a Goblin and I am in a cave so I'm good 😂😂😂
@@sadasd-n2fwho hurt you?
I'm no proffesional, but heres my two cents. I purchased two different 240hz Oleds, as per Optiumums recommendation last year, the LG 240HZ, 1440P Oled and the Aoc counterpart. And I ended up returning both. Here's why.
In his reviews he often states that the image looks both clearer and more "3d", and much more vibrant than other IPS monitors. He even said that they looked as sharp as 4K monitors. This was far from my experience. Both monitors looked dirty to me. I could never unsee it, from day one. As for sharpness, they were nowhere near my 4K 144hz IPS. Him even saying that implies to me that its advirtisement talk...
I am now running a 4K 42" LG C3. Yes, its reflective. But that i can work around. Shitty picture quality, i cannot. This glossy screen is all i could ever wish for in a monitor, and even though its the same PPI as the 1440P 240Hz, it seems much much clearer and sharper. Crazy good. My advice is look for yourself and don't trust these youtubers at face value anymore, you never know who's in who's pockets.
Most people that knows uses a LG OLED tv as a monitor and i can understand why, You get more bang out of what your paying for and it seems alot of stuff is missing in the monitors
Once we get to a point to where a 32" inch monitor has the same quality as your 42" LG C3 then it would be totally worth it but were not there yet and just because the monitor is "OLED" doesn't mean its going to be fye and i think that's where alot of people get caught up on
Also, HDR needs to be addressed in windows and monitors as well. Consoles HDR is there 100%, PC needs to catch up
@@DETERMINOLOGY Absolutely right. You can buy a 65" 4K 120 hz Oled for the same price as these 240hz 1440P monitors, in Sweden.
It really is a nobrainer..
@@ermirhalitaj5346 not entirely a nobrainer. 120hz dont cut it for me. it is damn choppy when compared to 240hz. u might not notice it if u dont play fast paced shooter games. Money is not an issue for me so definitely rather go on 4k 240hz as compared to 4k 120hz
Hello Optimum, much love from france!💙
I'm glad that someone with such a big influence on the gaming community actually bothers to address this topic.
I myself have an LG 27GS95QE-B, and I experience no problems with its coating - I also have 2 LG OLED TVs that are glossy, so my basis for comparison is better than most.
Glossy doesn't work for everyone, and not everyone wants to sit in a basement with blackout curtains to be able to use their screen (QD-OLED).
I got 132 downvotes on a Reddit post because I wrote that LG's matt coating was actually quite nice, and that it didn't ruin my gaming experience or similar 🤦♂
So once again .. THANK YOU 👏
Thanks for this interesting comparison!
Oh man, The Display Guy is SO mad LMAO. Love the video, informative as always!
Thanks for the honest reviews and informational videos mate!
WOLED it is. Couldn't stand still having bad black values on a OLED while not sitting in complete darkness.
Yes WOLED all the way, I didnt wait 15 years for OLED monitors just to stare grey image of QD-OLED.
Then again if you can use the monitor mostly or exclusively in low light environments, the QD-OLED colours win.
Yeah, its very hard to not shine a flashlight or studio light into monitor to avoid these raised blacks. But hey at least you have washed out colors and no burn in warranty. But who cares about that?
@@MrM-dl5zm
LOL. Even normal ambient room lights wash out QD-OLED blacks. Proven by Optimum, LTT, Techless.
The colours on WOLED are definitely not in the same league as QD-OLED, but they are still very good. Overall a much better package for many... INKY blacks at all light levels + very good colours... versus INKY blacks and excellent colours only in low light rooms... grey blacks and excellent colours in lit rooms.
@MrM-dl5zm Yes, it's pretty hard, actually. At the end of the day it depends on your situation.
Rather than matte vs. glossy, I think the real comparison is window vs. all bricks of the gaming room. If you can't afford a room specifically for gaming and media, the rest doesn't make half of the difference.
I have the glossy AW 27” OLED. If you’re like me and primarily game at night in a dark environment, glossy is far superior imo. There aren’t really any advantages to matte when in an ideal lighting environment.
Most people cant replicate that environment unless they live in a basement. Thats probably why most people don't like glossy.
I play fairly close to my monitor and play high level FPS game and I promise you, having used both WOLED and now QDOLED panels, that the matte coating is SUPER noticeable in games like CS, Valorant, apex. Honestly any game where the brightness ramps up it becomes way easier to notice the graininess.