I like the fact I don't have to change the batteries every week like I did with my old Powertaps. Just plug the USB power cable into the pedals once every couple of weeks and you're good to go.
Have only praise for Assioma after using for 2 years. Reliable, accurate and relatively affordable. Love the benefit of putting them on different bikes. Great run through!
I bought Garmin because I use a Garmin Edge bike computer and had them for 6 years. The data has been accurate, but the service has been stellar. Every time they quit working, Garmin technicians have been very responsive with parts and even sent a replacement pair when the bearings got rough. They were more than I wanted to pay, but I have been very satisfied with them.
They never consider this part in reviews. All power meters fail eventually and there are huge differences in how companies deal with it. I've had Assiomas and Rallys, both had issues, although the Assiomas were problematic straight out of the box, while the Rallys died after two years. I had new Garmin pedals within two days, and it took 5 months of experiments ordered by Favero customer support, DC rainmaker's tool, and multiple power meters to prove to them that I wasn't just making it up. You get what you pay for.
Supper happy with my Assioma Duo Shi after a year. Easy to install and maintain, increased q-factor for taller riders (I’m 6’1), and very consistent (within 2%) relative to a Wahoo Kickr trainer. Highly recommended.
I swapped XPEDO MDB/SPD pedal bodies onto my Assioma spindles. They work great & cost less. Assioma's support is great & it's easy to get spare parts for maintenance. I do like the look of my Garmin Vector 3 pedals on the road bike.
Great assessment. I ended up going for a set of Assiomas. However, as you point out, be mindful of the Q-factor and it was in respect to this aspect I encountered difficulty and so went back to the “ordinary garden” variety of the basic clipless pedal.
My experience with power pedals - I just replaced my Assiomas after my local bike shop destroyed my old pair. My new ones read a lot higher than my old set which also used to read higher than my Tacx Neo.
I've got a ton of LOOK pedals, which I love(d) until I switched to the Favero Assioma. I was really intrigued with the new LOOK power pedals until I contacted LOOK about how much a rebuild kit costs. They told me there isn't one and they need to be sent in for factory maintenance, when the need arises. Scratch those off my list. Serviceability needs to be factored in for any product that is going to wear out
Good question - the short answer is that they can't be replaced, so the pedals will eventually 'wear out', in that respect. However, it's not like with a smartphone, where the battery will be trash in just 2-3 years. Favero says the batteries should only lose 20% of their capacity after about 500 charge cycles. Which, if you do maths, is 25,000 hours of use, or 13 years of using them five hours a day. And if you did that, the pedals should still have a battery life of 40 hours at that point. So I'm not saying it's not issue - it is - but it's one that, for most people, it shouldn't be too much of an issue in the real world (assuming you don't have any unrelated issues, of course). Thanks for watching, Simon
I have Garmin Rally pedals on my bikes and I did have issues with the battery cover coming loose a couple of times. Once 10km into a 100km race, which was unfortunate, because it meant the battery poles lost contact and the pedals stopped working. Since then I make sure to occasionally check the metal cover is screwed in tight. That's been the only problem over 2+ years.
I have Assioma Duo - very reliable for the first two years, then unfortunately this year i developed a problem with one of the pedals - fair play to Assimoa though they replaced the spindle free of charge even though it was out of warranty for me - I had to follow a specific process though.
Love my Wahoo Powerlink dual sided pedals. They are extremely accurate & flawless. Admittedly, I had a warranty claim where one pedal wasn’t connecting properly but Wahoo were fast respond.
I use Favero Assioma Uno. My wattbike tells me that I have a slight imbalance, but so what, most people do, I don't need to be constantly told it while I'm riding. I use the pedals in an ironman, combined with heart rate. They are absolutely fine for this. Having used them for a while I know how my heart rate will respond to various power levels, and that's really all I need.
Looking at what I cared about for my first power meter as an spd road rider, faveros two sided were comparable in price to one sided for Garmin. Having used them for a few months of pretty light riding (not due to equipment) they’ve been consistent a nd reliable. I’m happpy for now.
I bought the cheapest on the market, the 4iiii Precision 3 left crank. It does the job fine, giving me fairly accurate readings when paired with my Wahoo Elemnt Bolt. While I do rely on the power output on my smart trainer, when racing on Zwift, the power readings when riding on the road are only informational for me. I just wanted to know how hard I was pushing when riding up big mountains to avoid complete burn-out half way up the climb. I suppose that if I had £1,000 burning a hole in my pocket, I might get a pedal power meter pair, but I think there's better things to spend your money on.
AFAIK Assioma Duo Shis can be used with Ultegras Pedal Bodys but also used with (some/various?) Shimano SPD-Bodys... so i Think the Favero Duo Shi might actually be the most versatile - especially if you already have got pedals you tried out... (yeah, I'd have several Road and MTB Shimano Bodys lying around somewhere, because I'm getting one of those with every used bike I'll buy for the rest of my life ...)
Bought a pair of powertap p2's several years ago and they have been great, AAA battery is much easier to service than non-replaceable ones and pairs easily with my garmin
I'd forgotten about the PowerTap pedals, but they definitely had a good reputation. I think the AAA batteries thing is interesting - it's definitely a convenient size, but it also means the pedal is fairly bulky compared to using smaller coin cell batteries like the Garmin's. Was hoping SRAM would do something with the PowerTap technology when it bought it back in 2019, but so far we've not seen anything... Maybe one day we'll get a Time power meter pedal!? Thanks for watching! Simon
One thing to note is that with the garmins you often might find that the spindle protrudes too much on the other side of the crank arm, causing it to hit the chain when in your hardest gear. They give you a spacer to fix this, but that adds to the q-factor of course.
Yes, that's true - personally, I just use the included spacers and haven't found it to be an issue, but it does add a few mm either side and if you're particularly sensitive about that, it could be something to look out for. Cheers for watching! Simon
From the research I did before buying my power pedals a couple years ago, the Favero/Keo are the best package when you consider bang for the buck. However if you’re set on keeping your Shimano cleats, the Garmin is the way to go as the value proposition of the Assioma Duo-Shi is hurt substantially by requiring you to go buy a set of 105 or Ultegra pedals for the bodies. I wanted to keep my Shimano setup, and I didn’t mind paying the premium for the Garmin option. They’ve worked flawless and have only required battery changes.
Garmin is too damn expensive for the quality they offer! Garmin xc200 is know for dropping data while sprinting for example, and the worst thing is the fact that you can not change f*c*ing bearings, you have to pay 170e!!!! per pedal as a *rebuild* kit here in Europe. That is damn crazy lol. Assiomas are both lighter, more reliable, easier to service, cheaper to buy and cheaper to service!
I've been riding my vector 2s pedals for 9.5 years now. The battery life is great. I don't think the pedals with rechargable batteries will last that many years.
I've had my FAvero Assioma for about 5 years or more, defeintley pre=C. One crapped out, replaced under warranty, painless and efficient by emailing the manufacturer directly. The distinct advantage over the Garmin was price and ease of fitment, ie not needing to be torqued accurately. The battery charge lasts for ages and are easily recharged by the magnetic charger. I'm a fan. I've stuck wiht the Look Keo bodies they came with.
Yes, I've seen people do this hack, so it is technically possible... However, the Assioma road spindles aren't rated for off-road riding (as far as I know), so if you bash the spindles and break them while doing this, I think you might struggle to get them replaced under warranty. Cheers, Simon
I prefer the Duo - personally, I think single-sided power meters are a bit of a waste of time. No one is symmetrical and IME your power balance will change depending on power output, fatigue, bike fit, and so on. The first power meter I bought back in the day was a single-sided Stages, but I eventually saved up for a second hand SRM spider and realised the data the L-only Stages had been collecting was wrong in quite a few areas. OFC some people might argue it's not an issue and as long as the data is consistent then it doesn't matter, but I think if you're going to train with power then you want precision / accuracy too. If dual-sided power meter pedals are too expensive, I'd look at buying a second hand Quarq or Power2Max power meter spider - these are generally fairly cheap nowadays but will provide excellent data, measuring the output from both legs. Cheers for watching! Simon
@joeblack7469 ah great, that makes sense, to the start of the season. Yes, I guess they handle it like with the spd version, you order them directly and had to wait 1 months. Looking forward 😁
I honestly can't figure out why you'd buy power meter pedals under normal circumstances. If you're swapping a lot, fair enough, but my Quarq power meter was so much cheaper, runs on a single coin cell battery that lasts 3-6 months, and doesn't itself need any servicing.
Hey Jan, I've got a Quarq that I really like too, but I think power meter pedals do have some specific advantages - as you say, they're very easily swapped between bikes, and they should be fairly future proof too. A Quarq ties you to a specific crankset (SRAM DUB), which may also tie you to a specific brand of groupset, or might not be available / compatible with the groupset of your choice (there isn't an updated one for the new 12-speed Shimano groupsets, for example). I don't necessarily think one is better than the other, but different people are looking for different things. Cheers for watching, Simon
I am using two spider based power meters on my 2 road bikes, one from Sigeyi and one from xcadey and they are both excellent and work well. I am using these now for 5 and 3 years respectively and had no problems with them at any time. Both are for 3 Bolt SRAM crank fittings. Cost is £300 to £340 incl. tax and shipping and are great value. I am also using a chest belt HR monitor and in combination this gives me a clear indication on my fitness. In regards to your comment on accuracy, you are of course correct, if they claim 1% accuracy, they should do so, but if one is only interested in the state of personal fitness, it is stability which is essential, not absolute accuracy.
Hi, for the Favero's it's 35 to 40Nm - it's in the user manual for the pedals, as well as my in-depth review on BikeRadar.com: www.bikeradar.com/reviews/training/power-meters/favero-assioma-duo-power-meter-pedals-review Thanks for watching! Simon
Video starts off with some incorrect stats... The Favero Assioma Duo Shi is in fact 10mm wider than a comparable Shimano SPD-SL... ON EACH SIDE! Not the "5mm wider on either side" as you mentioned.
I'd say I was more frustrated they simply aren't as quick as with SPD pedals, where you just stamp straight down and immediately clip in, as opposed to having too much tension to overcome. Wahoo does make "easy tension" cleats, so maybe those would make it better... But they're not included with the pedals, so unfortunately I don't know. Cheers for watching, Simon
@@bikeradarthe trick with speedplay is to dab the cleat with dry lube and don't overtighten the cleat. They will be way faster than any single side pedal
The blue and orange ones? Those are a set of semi-custom Bont Zero's I had made a few years ago - more on them here: www.bikeradar.com/features/first-look-friday/bont-zero-semi-custom-cycling-shoes Cheers for watching! Simon
I know you can technically do it, but it's not endorsed by Favero - anyone doing this may void their warranty, and therefore it's not something I'd be keen to recommend either. Of course, everyone's tolerance for risk is different so YMMV. Cheers for watching! Simon
Simon, your strava profile says you don't really ride your bike? Were you a pro racer? I'm wondering how a technical writer can weigh in on cycling objects when they don't ride?
Hi, I've never been a pro racer, no, though I used to race as an amateur until fairly recently (basically until family life took over my spare time), and I actually still ride some kind of bike pretty much every day, for various reasons. It's true I don't ride as much as some people these days, but when I'm testing things for BikeRadar - whether it's power meters, bikes or whatever - then I always ride enough to be confident in my assessment of their merits (or otherwise). As with most things work-related, it's about quality not quantity. Thanks, Simon
The price comp is not great; the spd compared the price of dynamic pedal and not the single version. The favero comes from EU and TVA has to be paid in the UK making the price differnce ~£50 from memory and for rider with a british cycling membership, garmin offers a 20 to 40% discount… and warranty is an issue, when the thing goes wrong, it is easier to send it back to garmin than favero…no brexit border issue…
I'm pretty sure the Favero prices include VAT - you can buy the Assioma Duos on Cyclepowermeters.com (not an ad - we have no affiliation with them) right now for £555 - and worth remembering that not everyone watching this will be able to get a British Cycling discount (a lot of our audience is international). Your point re warranty is fair, though from community feedback Favero's customer service seems to be quite good. In any case, though, I do think the Garmin pedals are great too - they're a fantastic option if you can get a good deal on them. Simon
Single-use, non rechargeable batteries suck. Regardless, $1000 for any of those PM's mentioned seems a pretty poor value for money. Dual sided Wahoo units work well though Wahoo support sucks if you have questions (my experience within the past 6 months). Also the battery charge clip-on connectors are fiddly and a pain. If you're getting a new bike , it's probably much more economical to buy a bike that comes with a Quark crankset PM -- you'll get a much better bike and spend the same money as if you added aftermarket pedals. I bought a low-spec Specialized Aethos and didn't even realized it came with the Quark power meter.
Yes, they do, but it's not an officially supported 'hack', as far as I know, so I can't recommend people do it - if you smash one of the pods on a rock or someting, having modded the pedals for off-road use, then I suspect Favero might say you've voided your warranty. Personally, I'd not risk it but I appreciate everyone has a different tolerance for these things. Cheers for watching! Simon
As I said in my conclusion, I think Look will get there - I've spoken to engineers there and they seem to know what they're doing, but this is a completely new platform (which Look designed from the ground up) and I think it perhaps just launched a little too early, before all of the inevitable bugs were ironed out. Just have to be patient, I guess. Cheers for watching, Simon
With today's technology they can't come up with a portable power meter like a cadence sensor! Say $200- Dollars clip on your cranks and have an App to calibrate it. I don't use one I do old school with HR zones! I rode a bike with one it's neat but not necessary, HR is way more important for the Older riders, even Drs say that. I found out with some meds I take makes my HR run a little higher in the mornings.
Are there any cheap power meter out there that won't break the bank? Those power meter pedals cost more than an entry level bike; even a cheap Chinese crank base power meter is over $300. Why are they so expensive?
I think it's fair to say that power meter prices have come down a long way in the past decade - which is impressive considering they're still a relatively niche product and are, AFAIK, fairly complicated to manufacture (especially if we're talking about pedals). If price is a big factor, all of these are available as single sided options for less. It's not ideal but it might be better than nothing. For me, though, I'd be looking to get something like a Quarq or Power2Max spider second hand - there are usually great deals on ebay, for those, as long as you don't mind using a slightly older crankset / standard. Cheers for watching, Simon
I would give Garmin a -1 on battery. I had a set and they for sure didn’t last as long as they said, the threads were super hard to get on, the yellow rubber thing would get squished in the threads and without it, it wouldn’t tighten enough to make a connection and the power data would drop out. Also the threads never fully tightened and you would just spin and spin the door. I hated the Garmin batteries. The Faveros I have now you toss on the charger easy peasy. The biggest reason to ditch the Garmin is the terrible battery design. Recharging a battery is always the better solution.
Different people have different jobs I guess. £600 to one person is different to another person. To some people who are interested in accurate numbers for training plans and quantifying improvements etc. it's a worthwhile investment instead of just going by heart rate. There are less expensive options, such as some single sided crank or spider power meters, and of course always the option of buying second hand.
i have a Stages single sided pm, use it on my gravel bike. its 7 years old! 400$ can! you dont need double sided, what are you some kinda bougie data junky.
Some people do, though I don't particularly. I think all else being equal you might as well have something lighter, but it's not something that would sway a purchasing decision with a power meter - the most important thing is that it's accurate, reliable and robust. Cheers for watching, Simon
@@bikeradarI’d love to care, but the most im prepared to spend is Ultegra d12, dura ace would be nice. But mostly these are 10k plus bikes and outrageous for what, a 300g weight reduction?
a cheap Speedo is all you need. If you measure watts and average watts, This is broken down into speed and average speed that you need to maintain over the race to win. you can use average speed, .instead of average watts and use a £15 Speedo 👍👍
Eddy Merckx did what he had to do WITHOUT a single power meter. Cavendish attempted to break Eddy's record and still failed, WITH a power meter! --- Cavendish set HIS own record. Eddy's record still stands. --- No one has more Stage Wins, while WINNING Le Tour De France!
I'm not sure what your point is. No-one had power meters in Merckx's time so he had no additional advantages or disadvantages than Cavendish did in his time.
If you like training, then a power meter can be an invaluable tool. Not everyone needs one, though - I think it depends what your goals are. Cheers for watching, Simon
@@Andy_ATB If you live in a hilly area and do long rides, power is useful for pacing even if you don't race. Not right for you, ok, but that doesn't make it laughable.
Maybe a waste for you, but for others, power meters are a great tool for optimizing training (and you don't have to be a pro to want to improve your performance on the bike), for metering out an effort over a long ride or a multi-day ride, and for a host of other things. Everyone's got an opinion on power meters, and that's groovy. Just remember one person's opinion is not a universal truth that works for everyone. One of the best parts of cycling is that anyone can ride what and how they want.
Do you use power meter pedals?
Just went back to Assiomas after Using Garmin Rally. Garmins squeak and the retention mech broke.
No I was thinking about it but my question is are there any which will work with Crankbrothers Cleats?
@@Mo.Jo.MTB_101 As far as I know, there aren't any power meter pedals for Crankbrothers cleats, no.
@@bikeradar Thanks for your answer!!! Then I'll continue to rely on my heart and legs... ;-) Because I really like my candy...
Favero 100%. They have been bombproof for me
My Assiomo Duos have had zero issues over many years of use.
I like the fact I don't have to change the batteries every week like I did with my old Powertaps. Just plug the USB power cable into the pedals once every couple of weeks and you're good to go.
Have only praise for Assioma after using for 2 years. Reliable, accurate and relatively affordable. Love the benefit of putting them on different bikes. Great run through!
I bought Garmin because I use a Garmin Edge bike computer and had them for 6 years. The data has been accurate, but the service has been stellar. Every time they quit working, Garmin technicians have been very responsive with parts and even sent a replacement pair when the bearings got rough. They were more than I wanted to pay, but I have been very satisfied with them.
They never consider this part in reviews. All power meters fail eventually and there are huge differences in how companies deal with it. I've had Assiomas and Rallys, both had issues, although the Assiomas were problematic straight out of the box, while the Rallys died after two years. I had new Garmin pedals within two days, and it took 5 months of experiments ordered by Favero customer support, DC rainmaker's tool, and multiple power meters to prove to them that I wasn't just making it up. You get what you pay for.
Just buy Assioma Duo 😉
Just the best power pedals
Yep, a no brainer.
@@DuckRideDuckand the least expensive
Yup… Favero… #NoBrainer
pedal power: favero
crankset spider power : power2max
only options you need 😊
Supper happy with my Assioma Duo Shi after a year. Easy to install and maintain, increased q-factor for taller riders (I’m 6’1), and very consistent (within 2%) relative to a Wahoo Kickr trainer. Highly recommended.
Assioma also has EXCELLENT customer service.
I wouldn't say Excellent, they have above average IME.
I swapped XPEDO MDB/SPD pedal bodies onto my Assioma spindles. They work great & cost less. Assioma's support is great & it's easy to get spare parts for maintenance. I do like the look of my Garmin Vector 3 pedals on the road bike.
I have both versions of Assioma,Roadpedals and Gravel/Mountainbike! The best and cheapest.😜
Great assessment. I ended up going for a set of Assiomas. However, as you point out, be mindful of the Q-factor and it was in respect to this aspect I encountered difficulty and so went back to the “ordinary garden” variety of the basic clipless pedal.
I got Assioma duo on my road bike et Garmin Rally on my MTB. Fully satisfied.
My experience with power pedals - I just replaced my Assiomas after my local bike shop destroyed my old pair. My new ones read a lot higher than my old set which also used to read higher than my Tacx Neo.
Love my wahoo powrlink pedal single sided been great 😊 Pete 🚴🏻👍
I've got a ton of LOOK pedals, which I love(d) until I switched to the Favero Assioma. I was really intrigued with the new LOOK power pedals until I contacted LOOK about how much a rebuild kit costs. They told me there isn't one and they need to be sent in for factory maintenance, when the need arises. Scratch those off my list. Serviceability needs to be factored in for any product that is going to wear out
Great review. With regards to servicing, what happens when the rechargeable Lithium batteries have degraded and need replacing?
Good question - the short answer is that they can't be replaced, so the pedals will eventually 'wear out', in that respect. However, it's not like with a smartphone, where the battery will be trash in just 2-3 years.
Favero says the batteries should only lose 20% of their capacity after about 500 charge cycles. Which, if you do maths, is 25,000 hours of use, or 13 years of using them five hours a day. And if you did that, the pedals should still have a battery life of 40 hours at that point.
So I'm not saying it's not issue - it is - but it's one that, for most people, it shouldn't be too much of an issue in the real world (assuming you don't have any unrelated issues, of course).
Thanks for watching, Simon
@@bikeradar Thank you, that's good additional info.
I have garmin from 2020, with look cleats, best choice...😊just replace cover for batteries, new version, zerro issues
I have Garmin Rally pedals on my bikes and I did have issues with the battery cover coming loose a couple of times. Once 10km into a 100km race, which was unfortunate, because it meant the battery poles lost contact and the pedals stopped working. Since then I make sure to occasionally check the metal cover is screwed in tight.
That's been the only problem over 2+ years.
Favero is the best
I have Assioma Duo - very reliable for the first two years, then unfortunately this year i developed a problem with one of the pedals - fair play to Assimoa though they replaced the spindle free of charge even though it was out of warranty for me - I had to follow a specific process though.
i have the garmin vector V3 dual and they work well!!
I bought the Assioma Duo Shi, and the extra Q factor really works for me.
Love my Wahoo Powerlink dual sided pedals. They are extremely accurate & flawless. Admittedly, I had a warranty claim where one pedal wasn’t connecting properly but Wahoo were fast respond.
I love my Wahoo Speedplay PowerLink Dual Sided Pedals
I use Favero Assioma Uno. My wattbike tells me that I have a slight imbalance, but so what, most people do, I don't need to be constantly told it while I'm riding. I use the pedals in an ironman, combined with heart rate. They are absolutely fine for this. Having used them for a while I know how my heart rate will respond to various power levels, and that's really all I need.
Looking at what I cared about for my first power meter as an spd road rider, faveros two sided were comparable in price to one sided for Garmin. Having used them for a few months of pretty light riding (not due to equipment) they’ve been consistent a nd reliable. I’m happpy for now.
Assioma PRO MX dual on my MTB and I will buy a crank from Inpeak for my road.
I bought the cheapest on the market, the 4iiii Precision 3 left crank. It does the job fine, giving me fairly accurate readings when paired with my Wahoo Elemnt Bolt. While I do rely on the power output on my smart trainer, when racing on Zwift, the power readings when riding on the road are only informational for me. I just wanted to know how hard I was pushing when riding up big mountains to avoid complete burn-out half way up the climb. I suppose that if I had £1,000 burning a hole in my pocket, I might get a pedal power meter pair, but I think there's better things to spend your money on.
AFAIK Assioma Duo Shis can be used with Ultegras Pedal Bodys but also used with (some/various?) Shimano SPD-Bodys... so i Think the Favero Duo Shi might actually be the most versatile - especially if you already have got pedals you tried out... (yeah, I'd have several Road and MTB Shimano Bodys lying around somewhere, because I'm getting one of those with every used bike I'll buy for the rest of my life ...)
Bought a pair of powertap p2's several years ago and they have been great, AAA battery is much easier to service than non-replaceable ones and pairs easily with my garmin
I'd forgotten about the PowerTap pedals, but they definitely had a good reputation.
I think the AAA batteries thing is interesting - it's definitely a convenient size, but it also means the pedal is fairly bulky compared to using smaller coin cell batteries like the Garmin's.
Was hoping SRAM would do something with the PowerTap technology when it bought it back in 2019, but so far we've not seen anything... Maybe one day we'll get a Time power meter pedal!?
Thanks for watching! Simon
One thing to note is that with the garmins you often might find that the spindle protrudes too much on the other side of the crank arm, causing it to hit the chain when in your hardest gear. They give you a spacer to fix this, but that adds to the q-factor of course.
Yes, that's true - personally, I just use the included spacers and haven't found it to be an issue, but it does add a few mm either side and if you're particularly sensitive about that, it could be something to look out for.
Cheers for watching! Simon
Speedplay works great. The cleat spring new is a bit stiff but after a few rides clipping in will be much easier
My Garmin Rally have been great. The added Q-Factor was needed in my bike fit anyways, so I may be an odd case.
I love my favero´s assioma duo!!!
From the research I did before buying my power pedals a couple years ago, the Favero/Keo are the best package when you consider bang for the buck. However if you’re set on keeping your Shimano cleats, the Garmin is the way to go as the value proposition of the Assioma Duo-Shi is hurt substantially by requiring you to go buy a set of 105 or Ultegra pedals for the bodies.
I wanted to keep my Shimano setup, and I didn’t mind paying the premium for the Garmin option. They’ve worked flawless and have only required battery changes.
Stay away from Look i GUESS. Assioma are the best. I am very glad as I have Assioma pedals.
Didnt realise Steven Wilson has on bikeradar now
Garmin is too damn expensive for the quality they offer! Garmin xc200 is know for dropping data while sprinting for example, and the worst thing is the fact that you can not change f*c*ing bearings, you have to pay 170e!!!! per pedal as a *rebuild* kit here in Europe. That is damn crazy lol. Assiomas are both lighter, more reliable, easier to service, cheaper to buy and cheaper to service!
I've been riding my vector 2s pedals for 9.5 years now. The battery life is great.
I don't think the pedals with rechargable batteries will last that many years.
I've had my FAvero Assioma for about 5 years or more, defeintley pre=C. One crapped out, replaced under warranty, painless and efficient by emailing the manufacturer directly. The distinct advantage over the Garmin was price and ease of fitment, ie not needing to be torqued accurately. The battery charge lasts for ages and are easily recharged by the magnetic charger. I'm a fan. I've stuck wiht the Look Keo bodies they came with.
Didn’t know Steven Wilson was into cycling
I have had 2 sets of favero assioma pedals fail after about 2 years of use. Each time the left side pedal stopped holding a charge.
I heard you can fit XPedo SPD bodies on road Assioma axles
You can, i've been using this conversion since 2021 and its still going strong.
Xpedo mf4 pedal bodies in my case, to be exact
Yes, I've seen people do this hack, so it is technically possible... However, the Assioma road spindles aren't rated for off-road riding (as far as I know), so if you bash the spindles and break them while doing this, I think you might struggle to get them replaced under warranty. Cheers, Simon
Assioma DUO or is UNO enough for amater rider?
I prefer the Duo - personally, I think single-sided power meters are a bit of a waste of time. No one is symmetrical and IME your power balance will change depending on power output, fatigue, bike fit, and so on.
The first power meter I bought back in the day was a single-sided Stages, but I eventually saved up for a second hand SRM spider and realised the data the L-only Stages had been collecting was wrong in quite a few areas.
OFC some people might argue it's not an issue and as long as the data is consistent then it doesn't matter, but I think if you're going to train with power then you want precision / accuracy too.
If dual-sided power meter pedals are too expensive, I'd look at buying a second hand Quarq or Power2Max power meter spider - these are generally fairly cheap nowadays but will provide excellent data, measuring the output from both legs.
Cheers for watching! Simon
The only reason not to buy Assioma is that new SPD SL ones are coming without the pod.
yes. I'm waiting for them. Any unofficial infos perhaps when they might come?
@@marcushessing2528 March 2025 they’ll be released but probably won’t be able to get a set for a month after that
@joeblack7469 ah great, that makes sense, to the start of the season. Yes, I guess they handle it like with the spd version, you order them directly and had to wait 1 months. Looking forward 😁
I honestly can't figure out why you'd buy power meter pedals under normal circumstances. If you're swapping a lot, fair enough, but my Quarq power meter was so much cheaper, runs on a single coin cell battery that lasts 3-6 months, and doesn't itself need any servicing.
Hey Jan, I've got a Quarq that I really like too, but I think power meter pedals do have some specific advantages - as you say, they're very easily swapped between bikes, and they should be fairly future proof too. A Quarq ties you to a specific crankset (SRAM DUB), which may also tie you to a specific brand of groupset, or might not be available / compatible with the groupset of your choice (there isn't an updated one for the new 12-speed Shimano groupsets, for example). I don't necessarily think one is better than the other, but different people are looking for different things. Cheers for watching, Simon
I am using two spider based power meters on my 2 road bikes, one from Sigeyi and one from xcadey and they are both excellent and work well. I am using these now for 5 and 3 years respectively and had no problems with them at any time.
Both are for 3 Bolt SRAM crank fittings. Cost is £300 to £340 incl. tax and shipping and are great value.
I am also using a chest belt HR monitor and in combination this gives me a clear indication on my fitness.
In regards to your comment on accuracy, you are of course correct, if they claim 1% accuracy, they should do so, but if one is only interested in the state of personal fitness, it is stability which is essential, not absolute accuracy.
Assioma the best 👍
After 6 replacement garmin pedals I now ride with the wahoo. These have done over 20000 miles with no issues
I’m assuming you had the old Vectors?
@RyonBeachner vectors to start with then 2 sets of Rally
I ‘am using Garmin Rally RS200 one year ago, and absolutely no errors or issues. Great pedals without doubt
You note that i is important to torque the Assioma pedals properly, but you don't say what torque that is. Neither, apparently, does Favero.
Hi, for the Favero's it's 35 to 40Nm - it's in the user manual for the pedals, as well as my in-depth review on BikeRadar.com: www.bikeradar.com/reviews/training/power-meters/favero-assioma-duo-power-meter-pedals-review
Thanks for watching! Simon
Video starts off with some incorrect stats... The Favero Assioma Duo Shi is in fact 10mm wider than a comparable Shimano SPD-SL... ON EACH SIDE! Not the "5mm wider on either side" as you mentioned.
Yes, you're right - the picture we included shows it, so that's a a scripting error on my part, thanks for picking it up. Simon
If you’re struggling to get into Speedplay pedals then you’re probably over tightening the cleat screws.
I'd say I was more frustrated they simply aren't as quick as with SPD pedals, where you just stamp straight down and immediately clip in, as opposed to having too much tension to overcome. Wahoo does make "easy tension" cleats, so maybe those would make it better... But they're not included with the pedals, so unfortunately I don't know. Cheers for watching, Simon
@@bikeradarthe trick with speedplay is to dab the cleat with dry lube and don't overtighten the cleat. They will be way faster than any single side pedal
What shoes are those ????
The blue and orange ones? Those are a set of semi-custom Bont Zero's I had made a few years ago - more on them here: www.bikeradar.com/features/first-look-friday/bont-zero-semi-custom-cycling-shoes
Cheers for watching! Simon
powermeter pedals,
you can buy three pro hair clippers for the price of one pair.
Assiomo are King!
assioma uno is all you need. accuracy and lighter
Need magene to release their's because these prices are silly
Its not true that you cant change the spindles of Assioma pedals. I did it myself, because I only ride SPD clicks.
I know you can technically do it, but it's not endorsed by Favero - anyone doing this may void their warranty, and therefore it's not something I'd be keen to recommend either. Of course, everyone's tolerance for risk is different so YMMV. Cheers for watching! Simon
Simon, your strava profile says you don't really ride your bike? Were you a pro racer? I'm wondering how a technical writer can weigh in on cycling objects when they don't ride?
Hi, I've never been a pro racer, no, though I used to race as an amateur until fairly recently (basically until family life took over my spare time), and I actually still ride some kind of bike pretty much every day, for various reasons.
It's true I don't ride as much as some people these days, but when I'm testing things for BikeRadar - whether it's power meters, bikes or whatever - then I always ride enough to be confident in my assessment of their merits (or otherwise). As with most things work-related, it's about quality not quantity.
Thanks, Simon
The price comp is not great; the spd compared the price of dynamic pedal and not the single version. The favero comes from EU and TVA has to be paid in the UK making the price differnce ~£50 from memory and for rider with a british cycling membership, garmin offers a 20 to 40% discount… and warranty is an issue, when the thing goes wrong, it is easier to send it back to garmin than favero…no brexit border issue…
I'm pretty sure the Favero prices include VAT - you can buy the Assioma Duos on Cyclepowermeters.com (not an ad - we have no affiliation with them) right now for £555 - and worth remembering that not everyone watching this will be able to get a British Cycling discount (a lot of our audience is international).
Your point re warranty is fair, though from community feedback Favero's customer service seems to be quite good.
In any case, though, I do think the Garmin pedals are great too - they're a fantastic option if you can get a good deal on them. Simon
Single-use, non rechargeable batteries suck. Regardless, $1000 for any of those PM's mentioned seems a pretty poor value for money. Dual sided Wahoo units work well though Wahoo support sucks if you have questions (my experience within the past 6 months). Also the battery charge clip-on connectors are fiddly and a pain. If you're getting a new bike , it's probably much more economical to buy a bike that comes with a Quark crankset PM -- you'll get a much better bike and spend the same money as if you added aftermarket pedals. I bought a low-spec Specialized Aethos and didn't even realized it came with the Quark power meter.
I do like Quarq power meters a lot too - I have a DFour DUB on my Giant TCR and it's super reliable. Cheers for watching! Simon
Regular assiomas fit xpedo mountain bike pedals
Yes, they do, but it's not an officially supported 'hack', as far as I know, so I can't recommend people do it - if you smash one of the pods on a rock or someting, having modded the pedals for off-road use, then I suspect Favero might say you've voided your warranty.
Personally, I'd not risk it but I appreciate everyone has a different tolerance for these things. Cheers for watching! Simon
Lolol just bought some single sided Looks… eh should be fine.
As I said in my conclusion, I think Look will get there - I've spoken to engineers there and they seem to know what they're doing, but this is a completely new platform (which Look designed from the ground up) and I think it perhaps just launched a little too early, before all of the inevitable bugs were ironed out. Just have to be patient, I guess. Cheers for watching, Simon
Since when Jared Leto started testing bike pedals?
With today's technology they can't come up with a portable power meter like a cadence sensor! Say $200- Dollars clip on your cranks and have an App to calibrate it. I don't use one I do old school with HR zones! I rode a bike with one it's neat but not necessary, HR is way more important for the Older riders, even Drs say that. I found out with some meds I take makes my HR run a little higher in the mornings.
get assioma. period.
Don't waste money simply means, don't by any power meter at all
Are there any cheap power meter out there that won't break the bank? Those power meter pedals cost more than an entry level bike; even a cheap Chinese crank base power meter is over $300. Why are they so expensive?
I think it's fair to say that power meter prices have come down a long way in the past decade - which is impressive considering they're still a relatively niche product and are, AFAIK, fairly complicated to manufacture (especially if we're talking about pedals).
If price is a big factor, all of these are available as single sided options for less. It's not ideal but it might be better than nothing. For me, though, I'd be looking to get something like a Quarq or Power2Max spider second hand - there are usually great deals on ebay, for those, as long as you don't mind using a slightly older crankset / standard.
Cheers for watching, Simon
Presently, there iseems to be only the used market. Cycling gear is generally cheapest in the late fall and winter.
I would give Garmin a -1 on battery. I had a set and they for sure didn’t last as long as they said, the threads were super hard to get on, the yellow rubber thing would get squished in the threads and without it, it wouldn’t tighten enough to make a connection and the power data would drop out.
Also the threads never fully tightened and you would just spin and spin the door. I hated the Garmin batteries.
The Faveros I have now you toss on the charger easy peasy.
The biggest reason to ditch the Garmin is the terrible battery design. Recharging a battery is always the better solution.
Run away from the garmin... dont look back.
0:26 Simon von Clownshoes, to misquote Jon Stewart.
How do people afford power meters? These seem to cost about 30-50% of midrange bike
Different people have different jobs I guess. £600 to one person is different to another person. To some people who are interested in accurate numbers for training plans and quantifying improvements etc. it's a worthwhile investment instead of just going by heart rate. There are less expensive options, such as some single sided crank or spider power meters, and of course always the option of buying second hand.
@@jakobjas4212 I hadn't searched for 2nd hand. Thanks for mentioning it. I'll look around
garmin vector / rally battery system is completly shit
i have a Stages single sided pm, use it on my gravel bike. its 7 years old! 400$ can! you dont need double sided, what are you some kinda bougie data junky.
"If you see this video long into the future"... "uploaded 44 minutes ago"
Yeah i dont think they have solved it.
The garmin pedals are the worst crap,and wast if money ever .the batery cap brakes....only problems!!
Don't lose money, just don't buy power meters. 90% of cyclist do not need it.
Does anyone still care about weight in 2024?
Some people do, though I don't particularly. I think all else being equal you might as well have something lighter, but it's not something that would sway a purchasing decision with a power meter - the most important thing is that it's accurate, reliable and robust. Cheers for watching, Simon
@@bikeradarI’d love to care, but the most im prepared to spend is Ultegra d12, dura ace would be nice. But mostly these are 10k plus bikes and outrageous for what, a 300g weight reduction?
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a cheap Speedo is all you need. If you measure watts and average watts,
This is broken down into speed and average speed that you need to maintain over the race to win.
you can use average speed, .instead of average watts and use a £15 Speedo 👍👍
When the garmin wins the pedals power meter… i stop waching.
Bye
So you missed the results.
Hi, I do like the Garmin pedals but I actually gave the win to Favero in this instance. Thanks for watching! Simon
Eddy Merckx did what he had to do WITHOUT a single power meter.
Cavendish attempted to break Eddy's record and still failed, WITH a power meter!
--- Cavendish set HIS own record. Eddy's record still stands.
--- No one has more Stage Wins, while WINNING Le Tour De France!
I'm not sure what your point is. No-one had power meters in Merckx's time so he had no additional advantages or disadvantages than Cavendish did in his time.
Power meters are over-rated. Wouldn't waste my money.
Yeah; unless you're paid to race/ ride, then you're throwing hundreds away, for what? Bragging rights.......
Laughable.
If you like training, then a power meter can be an invaluable tool. Not everyone needs one, though - I think it depends what your goals are. Cheers for watching, Simon
@@Andy_ATB If you live in a hilly area and do long rides, power is useful for pacing even if you don't race. Not right for you, ok, but that doesn't make it laughable.
Maybe a waste for you, but for others, power meters are a great tool for optimizing training (and you don't have to be a pro to want to improve your performance on the bike), for metering out an effort over a long ride or a multi-day ride, and for a host of other things. Everyone's got an opinion on power meters, and that's groovy. Just remember one person's opinion is not a universal truth that works for everyone. One of the best parts of cycling is that anyone can ride what and how they want.
@@bikeradar I have to agree. For example intervals session is alsmost impossible. For exampe CrissCross.