I've got a history of regretting sports tech purchases, but my Assiomas definitely bucked that trend!! To be essentially the best in the sector and yet maintain that price point is not something you generally see in consumer tech (or anything really) these days!
I regretted buying the PowerTap P1 pedals - they are terrible. I now have the Assioma Dual on my road bike and the Assioma Uno on my exercise bike; and they are excellent in every way.
@@dpstrial I’ve found I just can’t recommend anything else, unless as Ray points out they’re on say speedplay or spd. I was a bit worried about the aesthetics with the pods (worried is a bit of a stretch there) but they basically just blend into the crank so even that potentially minor thing wasn’t an issue. Even the Allen key they supply is actually really good :-)
@@aerobrain2001 Yes, the pods might put a few people off, but, as you say, they blend into the cranks. Also, unlike the dreadful PowerTaps, they are easy to maintain. I recently changed some of the bearings with ones I bought from Ebay, and it was simplicity itself. Also, the Xpedo cleats are fairly cheap. (They must be zero float, though, to firmly secure the feet).
Just got a set of the favero assioma uno and i absolutely love them !!! as a uni student they were the only affordable power meter that i would be able to swap bikes with and theyve been absolutely smashing !!!! ive only had them for about a week and im absolutely in love
I’ve had Garmin Vector 3 duals since 2018, to be fair, I’ve had zero issues reported by other users. My wife has had the Assioma duals for a year now and I have to say I’m jealous. Aside from the accuracy, which is identical, the Assiomas are just so much easier to live with - popping them on charge as a top up when you know you’re starting to run low vs having to open up the Garmins and replace the batteries when you *think* you’re getting low (no actual way of knowing unless you wait for power drop outs!) is such a game changer. I’m right on the verge of buying some and selling my Garmins. Great review, thanks Ray 🙌🏼
From my experience this is not correct. If the batteries are getting weaker, this will be indicated while driving, and from that moment they will last for a few more hours. The low charge level is also displayed on the garmin connect (desktop version).
@@mensromansohndeshans8762 trust me, it’s correct. You point is true, don’t get me wrong, but ‘a few more hours’ is total guesswork if you’re on a long day in the saddle. The Faveros give you that live battery information and you can simply plug them in for a top up very easily well in advance of drop outs. The Vectors need a battery swap and ultimately that costs money. I think I’ve used 4 pairs of batts per year on my mileage since I bought them (16ish pairs total). All adds up. Proof is in the pudding though; today I bought a pair of Assiomas and I’m selling my Vectors. I put my money where my mouth is I guess!
I have used a set of Assiomas since 2018 - they have been bulletproof. ❤ I do miss my official Shimano pedals though for foot contact. I also have crashed in crit races and broken a body but the spindle and accuracy remained perfect, all I had to do was buy a new body 👍 The only thing I would say, I love the idea that Garmin has introduced letting the customers adapt the spindle for road or mtb.
Bought my Garmin Rally XC pedals last year after seeing your and Desfit's review. Been so happy with them I wish I had gotten them sooner! Cheers and ty!
I have the single side Assioma pedal and I love it. I know dual sided would be a bit more accurate and I'd be able to see if there were any deviation between left and right, but I simply don't care. It's accurate enough for my purposes and the battery life is amazing as well. And not having to calibrate the pedals before every ride is nice too.
It's also worth mentioning, that Garmin battery-type pedals are a bless for ultra-rides/bikepacking. Garmin Vector/Rally's up to 120hours (on small battery) is so much more than Favero's 50 hours with it's unique socket type (and other cable to carry).
Great content as usual. As an aside, when I saw the add from steady rack, I wanted to comment. I have been using Steady Racks for 4 years now and they are fantastic. Have 6 bikes stored in my garage taking up very little space. Highly recommended
It seems like unless you have something that matters a lot to you personally like the cleat style or the Spindle switching that comes with Garmin pedals, then the only choice for a road pedal here is the Favero Assiomas. As accurate as any of them, durable, the lightest of the lot, full of features, and most importantly way cheaper than the competition
Another great review Ray👊🏻 bought Assioma Duo 2 months ago based on your previous review and couldn’t be happier! They verified my suspicion of a power imbalance after an injury last season and now I’m on the road to recovery.
@@curtisgoodwin8962 thanks for sharing, I fractured a hip and I think I'm seeing a calf size difference! May test it more scientifically as you have. All the best.
I bought myself the Favero Assiomas Uno a month ago and absolutely love them! Changed them over to some SPD compatible MTB pedals to use them on my Gravel bike. It was easy to change and works great!
@@JulianKent Have you got the Faveros already ? If not you can buy the Favero Shi's and use basic Shimano M520, they bolt straight on. Really happy with mine and I don't find the increased Q-Factor a problem. The Q-factor of Favs + M520 body on my road bike are pretty close to the stock M520's Q-Factor on my MTB and I never had a problem riding my MTB for day long trips ;) The only thing to note is I would be careful using the Faveros on certain crank arms for rough off road use. The body of the Favero protrudes past the bottom of the crank arm on my SRAM GX DUB's and is susceptible to rock strikes.
@@simonmac4291 I actually already run EH500 so I can use flats or clipless, and it looks like the Shi's will work perfectly. And cheaper to boot, since I don't need to buy an extra pedal set. Also not concerned about the few mm of Q factor. Thanks for the suggestion!
Have had the Assiomas for over 3 yrs. They're still going strong. Reliable. The only drawback is they spin easily, so if you miss your clip in on the first attempt, it takes some practice finding it again while it spins around. But it's manageable and you get used to it.
I installed 4 Steadyracks in my garage yesterday. Wow! They are great, easier to load & unload than standard racks, & really clean up my space. They are pricey, but worth it. Excellent informative video, I've been trying to decide on pedals or a crank based powermeter.
Indeed, I'm incredibly happy with how they look on the wall and tidying . Probaby going to get another few more to rack up a few of the mostly-retired bikes of both mine and my wife's that are just piled up in a corner right now. At least make them look pretty!
These look like a nice option overall. How much does the bike need to be lifted up to hang it on the rack? Wondering if my kids would be able to do it ~11 years old, riding a XS frame 700c bike.
@ Mike K., you set height yourself. The bike is place with the rear wheel against the wall, the front tire in the unfolded rack (but backward), measure to the top mounting hole, & transfer that measurement to a wall stud. I have each of my bikes mounted 3-4 inches higher than the previous. I have 4 bikes in a six foot space. Sorry so wordy.
I have had my Favero's now for right around 2 years and they are absolutely durable, accurate and the pricepoint the hands down winner given all other inputs to pick from as they are all fairly equal until the money aspect.
I did the hack on the Faveros to run SPD and I destroyed them on the MTB. So do not use the Faveros off road. I knew it was a chance of breaking them but I wanted to test them myself. I am now onto the Garmin Vector 3 with the Rally XC pedal bodies and they have been working flawless. I paid about $450 for a refurbished set and $200 for the XC pedal bodies so similar to the Favero but can take a beating off road.
Great content. I’m never disappointed with your reviews. I’ve would love to hear you do a comparison of single-vs-dual power pedals. Aside from the obvious cost difference, what am I giving up with single power pedals and when would it be worth paying for dual power pedals. Thanks.
You would not be giving up anything except you will never know if you have a imbalance or not. Apart from that, it's more about consistency than absolute values.
I was an early adopter of power pedals. I remember walking up to to the cashier at the bike store with my gen1 garmins and the guy behind me said-“excuse me sir, what are those?” I replied “pedals”. He looked at me with disbelief and said “For $1800???”. Well I am still using Garmin power pedals. They haven’t been perfect, but Garmin as a company has been. They stand by the stuff they make and to me that is worth a lot. It probably is irrational loyalty but they get my vote and my money every time!
Excellent and timely, thanks Ray-Bob! Two weeks into life with Rally XC, I'm about to hit the DCR Analyzer for a first look at the numbers. Now I'm just holding my breath until I see the next gen of Garmin head units...
I was a hardcore speedplay fan for years until they changed the cleat design; after that the durability went down hill and the cleats are expensive! I now have the Assiomas and am 100% happy
After swearing I would never bother with power meters, I bought the Favero Assioma Duo pedals on the Look Keo platform. I LOVE THESE THINGS! Been riding them with a Garmin 830 about 8 months and can't imagine why I'd even trial anything else. I've been trying to talk myself out of ordering a second set so I don't have to swap them all the time -- not that it's difficult. It's almost more trouble to adjust for crank length than to physically swap the pedals.
Hi all. What a super helpful video thanks! I have a silly question. Is there a way to track my power accurately if I have an oval 60T chainring since I am pretending to be the incredible hulk while biking ❤❤❤. Or does oval not matter for power pedals measurement?
Very cool video Ray! I find the cycling dynamics interesting. (No, I don't use them) But from a hardware perspective, I was thinking that the Garmin pedals had four strain gauge sensors vs 2 in the others. I'm wondering if that is going to play a role in future cycling dynamics. 🤷♂️ Thanks so much for putting this together!
My understanding from the Keith Wakeham video is the current Assioma design is limited in being able to pull off PCO due to that. Though I’d imagine any future design would account for that.
I can't afford to try all these out so I'll stick with my Assioma pedals on 2 of my road bikes, which I love. I would hope that eventually they come out with a model with a smaller pod
Speedplay is the winner for me. The non powered pedals are far and away the best IMO. Dual sided, tons of float, easy to walk in. So if the power meter is as accurate as others, I am sold!
Been riding SPs for decades. So excited they finally have power. Lost a ton of money on a Kickstarter for the BrimBrothers praying they would bring power to SP. Thanks to Wahoo for delivering.
I love the t-shirt! xD Plus, you gonna make me spend my money sometime in the future. Ugh. Again! But I'm looking into Favero or Garmin for a long time.
I have a classic Speedpedal(before wahoo) and then got a favero power pedal... I was a big speedplay fan but it is frustrating maintaining and may switch it to a second favero power pedal. good review.
I have Faveros since for over two years and put on them around 20k km. They work spot on in frosty winters and in scorching heat. On The top of that they are extremly consistent with data I get from my Kickr. The only gripe I have with Assioma is that they have not released MTB pedals yet ;) Tired with waiting I bought last week Garmin Rallys XC and they suck a lot. And by a lot I mean here +20-40% against my Kickr. If they are correct, and they should be after firmware update and calibration, I should be be contacting Polish MTB Kross team to contract me for nest XC Worldcup ;) I am extremly disappointed with Garmins and sending them back for repair or replacement.
I’m a year late but you can swap out the Assioma pedals for a couple of Xpedo Spd compatible pedals! I believe the CXR and M-Force 8 are compatible with this mod.
I've already got a set of Garmin Vector 3, and have no intention of replacing them, but I've just sat through this entire video (having also watched the independent reviews previously). I really appreciate your content. Also... where can I get that t-shirt (I've already checked the DCR store).
@@nessuno5403 You can replace every part on those pedals. I have replaced the pedal body and the bearings on both pedals. Here is a video on how to replace the pedal body. ruclips.net/video/nTkApiQ09v0/видео.html
I got the Garmin Rally XC200 with a nice 30% discount from a local Garmin Store. I didn't go for the Assiomas for the simple reason that I don't like proprietary charger connectors, I don't like keeping cables for everything I own. My bikes are not stored near an electrical socket. I don't want to remove the pedals for charging or move the bicycle for...charging the freaking pedals. I already did one battery change on my XC200, after 3 months; granted they already had some shelf life, but the battery change was 5 minutes, and the batteries were VERY easy to get, there's a store that specializes in batteries near my house, so yeah, no problem getting the batteries. I recently submerged my pedals under water while passing a puddle that was WAY deeper than expected, the pedals kept chugging along, I wouldn't have that confidence with something that has the exposed charging ports; granting they are designed with that in mind, but megh. I just love the "monolithic" design of the XC200. Loving my Garmin pedals, knock on wood.
Do you know if you could take the dual sided speedplay pedals and keep 1 pedal on my road bike and 1 pedal on my tri bike (effectively creating 2 one sided power meters)? I've been a long time fan of all your work, Keep up all of the great review content!
Thank you for the informative video. Keep up the awesome work. It's been sometime since I last asked you, and wanted to know if you currently recommend buying an Oura Ring. Thank You
I switched to Rallys after my customer service experience with Favero. There is no way you're not going to have problems with your power meter at some point if you ride enough, and it took 5 months of emailing back and forth, and doing dumb experiments on the pedals with Favero to finally get them replaced. Vs Garmin, I lost one of my battery caps mountain biking, I replaced it with a spare one from a vector 3, and the left right balance didn't seem normal. I called them, they said they would send me new caps but if those didn't work they would send me new spindles. Garmins are expensive, but if it was for Favero, and I didn't have another crank based power meter laying around, I wouldn't have had one for months.
I have both, and I had a similar experience with Favero. They eventually replaced my faulty left pedal and they work fine now. I use my garmins more often though.
I've put bodies from Shimano PD-M520 on my Assiomas and they work perfectly. I imagine Favero cannot guarantee that this combo will work with every shoe, so they don't advertise it.
I am thinking to make that too. I use xtr m9100 pedals right now. Do you know if they can be mounted in Assiomas duo? As for the Qfactor. It will go to 64-65mm.right now xtr have 55mm.i do not think my shoes can take so much difference in Qfactor.
Great review as usual! Did you have the same issue as GPLama with the Garmin? He mentions “unresolved issues with what appears to be residual torque after really hard sprints on the Rally RS”. I have a pair of assioma but I would like some MTB/Gravel pedals with power and Garmin seems the most valuable option. Thanks!
Great video, as always! Thanks! Couple of quick questions. I have Quarq on my TT bike and Stages single crank arm on my road bike. As I consider adding to the collection, and consider power pedals, should I expect the data to be similar. i.e. If I do an FTP test on all bikes, should the data be about the same. Second question - what is your preference Quarq [crank] power meter or pedal power meter. Thanks again!!
Thanks for that informative Video 👍😎 Whats would you reccomend to a guy who uses different crank lenghts( left 175mm and right 165mm, because of different long legs) in Terms of a One sided or two sided pedal powermeter, as you have to choose one crank lenght during the setup? Thanks in Advance and best regards Julian
Great review, thanks! The assioma are just great! How does the power reading of the assiomas compare to the power of that produced using the Tacx Neo 2 T? Is there much difference? Thanks.
Brilliant! 👏 If portability between bikes was not needed, I guess it still gets too complicated (and pricey) to instead consider, say, a Shimano DA power meter crankset in lieu of these pedal systems?
great comparison video. Thank you. I am a big fan of the assioma faveros. They just work. I have also had the Garmin Rally WC pedals but sold them now. I have found that the Garmins just show lower power values than the Assioma or all my Quarq powermeters I use. Did you find as well that the Garmin Rally show lower power values than other powermeters?
When you factor in the depreciation of EUR, the Garmin pedals just double the price of Favero Assioma Duo. I can’t imagine why I would buy the Garmin pedals at this difference in pricing.
Sorry, totally forgot! I added it to the written review though here: www.dcrainmaker.com/2022/04/power-meter-pedal-buyers-guide.html/comment-page-1#cornering (along with some interesting tidbits on why it's actually not as bad as one might think).
Hey DC have an honest question. I ride 4 to 5 hours a week around neighborhoods. So it’s nothing extreme. I also want to be able to take my pedals off and put them on a stationary bike I have so I can do Zwift in the colder months. What would you recommend? Thanks again love the channel.😮
Hi Ray, thnx for another very useful video. As i've been riding Speedplay pedals for over 2 decades you can imagine i'm very interested in the Wahoo system. Maybe you can answer a non powermeter related question for me (and probably others) I've multiple bikes with the very old x-series pedals and also multiple shoes with their non walkable cleats. Do the wahoo pedals fit the old cleats??? Google tells me that only the zero series are interchangable and i tried wahoo cleats on x-pedals. Which clip in with some force but you'll need to take them off and use a screwdriver to ever get them unclipped 😜. But so far i haven't found real life experience of what happens when you put the old cleats on new pedals. And obviously that knowledge is very useful as it would make life so much easier if it did fit Thnx
I’m a nutshell, all four of these brands to Active Temp compensation in their pedals, and based on my most current testing, they all handle swings of temp well. I did a number of warm semi-tropical sea to top of near snow volcano rides with a few different units on and off road, and all tracked very well through that.
Hard to say. Patent-wise they could do it, but business wise speaking I doubt they’d do it, since I suspect they’d want to invest in the Speedplay variants that were historically there for off-road.
@@Dcrainmaker I’ve had the old Speedplay Mtn bike pedals, they where not very durable nor user friendly. It would be nice to see what the come up with now that they have redeveloped the cleats.
Gravel: I wouldn't recommend using Favero's. The pod of one of mine cracked (probably struck by a rock), then water got into it and it failed. I continued using the other working pedal, but the same thing happened to that one. I'll probably buy a replacement, they're great products, but I won't be using them on gravel again.
Most people are within 2% balanced between sides. It's nice to borrow and ride with dual sided just once to determine this. From there on, single-sided to save money.
I forgot to mention it in the video but did cover it in-depth in the post. It's definitely a good option, though does require some shoes to be 'trimmed', and others have reported issues with pod breakage because of rocks flying up and hitting pods (yet, plenty of others have had nor problems at all).
Yes, all of them do connect to every unit that accepts ANT+, which from a cycling perspective is every head unit. It’s a bit messier when we talk Bluetooth only watches like a Suunto or Polar…
I haven’t even charged my Favero Assiomas - had them for 64 days and ride 4-5 hours a week.
Very happy with them!
I charge them every 3 weeks with around 20 hours riding per week. Pretty solid. Di2 runs out first.
Dude, your reviews just keep getting better. Quick. To the point. And dense with clearly presented info. Nice.
Thanks - appreciate it!
@@Dcrainmaker but can you really make it rain?
I've got a history of regretting sports tech purchases, but my Assiomas definitely bucked that trend!! To be essentially the best in the sector and yet maintain that price point is not something you generally see in consumer tech (or anything really) these days!
Indeed, great units!
I regretted buying the PowerTap P1 pedals - they are terrible. I now have the Assioma Dual on my road bike and the Assioma Uno on my exercise bike; and they are excellent in every way.
@@dpstrial I’ve found I just can’t recommend anything else, unless as Ray points out they’re on say speedplay or spd. I was a bit worried about the aesthetics with the pods (worried is a bit of a stretch there) but they basically just blend into the crank so even that potentially minor thing wasn’t an issue. Even the Allen key they supply is actually really good :-)
@@aerobrain2001 Yes, the pods might put a few people off, but, as you say, they blend into the cranks. Also, unlike the dreadful PowerTaps, they are easy to maintain. I recently changed some of the bearings with ones I bought from Ebay, and it was simplicity itself. Also, the Xpedo cleats are fairly cheap. (They must be zero float, though, to firmly secure the feet).
Same here. Got my pair in 2017 and they are still going strong and holding their own 5 years later.
Just got a set of the favero assioma uno and i absolutely love them !!! as a uni student they were the only affordable power meter that i would be able to swap bikes with and theyve been absolutely smashing !!!! ive only had them for about a week and im absolutely in love
I’ve had Garmin Vector 3 duals since 2018, to be fair, I’ve had zero issues reported by other users. My wife has had the Assioma duals for a year now and I have to say I’m jealous. Aside from the accuracy, which is identical, the Assiomas are just so much easier to live with - popping them on charge as a top up when you know you’re starting to run low vs having to open up the Garmins and replace the batteries when you *think* you’re getting low (no actual way of knowing unless you wait for power drop outs!) is such a game changer. I’m right on the verge of buying some and selling my Garmins. Great review, thanks Ray 🙌🏼
From my experience this is not correct. If the batteries are getting weaker, this will be indicated while driving, and from that moment they will last for a few more hours. The low charge level is also displayed on the garmin connect (desktop version).
@@mensromansohndeshans8762 trust me, it’s correct. You point is true, don’t get me wrong, but ‘a few more hours’ is total guesswork if you’re on a long day in the saddle. The Faveros give you that live battery information and you can simply plug them in for a top up very easily well in advance of drop outs. The Vectors need a battery swap and ultimately that costs money. I think I’ve used 4 pairs of batts per year on my mileage since I bought them (16ish pairs total). All adds up.
Proof is in the pudding though; today I bought a pair of Assiomas and I’m selling my Vectors. I put my money where my mouth is I guess!
I have used a set of Assiomas since 2018 - they have been bulletproof. ❤ I do miss my official Shimano pedals though for foot contact. I also have crashed in crit races and broken a body but the spindle and accuracy remained perfect, all I had to do was buy a new body 👍 The only thing I would say, I love the idea that Garmin has introduced letting the customers adapt the spindle for road or mtb.
That top down shot arranged around the succulent is super satisfying!
Haha, thanks!!!
Bought my Garmin Rally XC pedals last year after seeing your and Desfit's review. Been so happy with them I wish I had gotten them sooner! Cheers and ty!
I have the single side Assioma pedal and I love it. I know dual sided would be a bit more accurate and I'd be able to see if there were any deviation between left and right, but I simply don't care. It's accurate enough for my purposes and the battery life is amazing as well. And not having to calibrate the pedals before every ride is nice too.
I love the conflict of interest consideration in the beginning of the video. Thanks for the overview!
Thanks - appreciate it!!!
It's also worth mentioning, that Garmin battery-type pedals are a bless for ultra-rides/bikepacking. Garmin Vector/Rally's up to 120hours (on small battery) is so much more than Favero's 50 hours with it's unique socket type (and other cable to carry).
Yup, definitely handy if you might not be able to easily re-charge. Good point!
Thanks for pointing that out!
Great content as usual. As an aside, when I saw the add from steady rack, I wanted to comment. I have been using Steady Racks for 4 years now and they are fantastic. Have 6 bikes stored in my garage taking up very little space. Highly recommended
It seems like unless you have something that matters a lot to you personally like the cleat style or the Spindle switching that comes with Garmin pedals, then the only choice for a road pedal here is the Favero Assiomas. As accurate as any of them, durable, the lightest of the lot, full of features, and most importantly way cheaper than the competition
Great review - to think that 2022 sees no inclusion of the once mighty Powertaps
Indeed, sad.
I have the Garmin XC200 pedals and absolutely love them.
Another great review Ray👊🏻 bought Assioma Duo 2 months ago based on your previous review and couldn’t be happier! They verified my suspicion of a power imbalance after an injury last season and now I’m on the road to recovery.
Any major visual muscle difference between legs, before this data confirmation?
@@nessuno5403 none that I could see, but an osteopath Dr found that my right glute muscle and hamstring were smaller than the left side.
@@curtisgoodwin8962 thanks for sharing, I fractured a hip and I think I'm seeing a calf size difference! May test it more scientifically as you have. All the best.
Just got the Assioma Shi's fitted on the new ride and couldn't be happier - they're great for the price point
I like how you talk!!! my kind of speed
Haha...thanks!
I bought myself the Favero Assiomas Uno a month ago and absolutely love them! Changed them over to some SPD compatible MTB pedals to use them on my Gravel bike. It was easy to change and works great!
Which SPD pedals did you put on them? Also looking at going this route.
@@JulianKent Have you got the Faveros already ?
If not you can buy the Favero Shi's and use basic Shimano M520, they bolt straight on. Really happy with mine and I don't find the increased Q-Factor a problem. The Q-factor of Favs + M520 body on my road bike are pretty close to the stock M520's Q-Factor on my MTB and I never had a problem riding my MTB for day long trips ;)
The only thing to note is I would be careful using the Faveros on certain crank arms for rough off road use. The body of the Favero protrudes past the bottom of the crank arm on my SRAM GX DUB's and is susceptible to rock strikes.
@@simonmac4291 I actually already run EH500 so I can use flats or clipless, and it looks like the Shi's will work perfectly. And cheaper to boot, since I don't need to buy an extra pedal set. Also not concerned about the few mm of Q factor. Thanks for the suggestion!
This is the best hack ever / I did it with Wellgo 01 spd pedal bodies and they work perfect 👍 😊
Hackssiomas with mtb pedal are the best. Been using them for 2 years with solid performance.
Great video! I got Assioma’s, and mounted a Wellgo 01 spd pedal body on them. This way i spent around 430€ and got both road and spd setup
I have the Favero Assiomas Shi and don’t notice the increased Q factor at all. Love the data I get during my ride (Viewing power vs speed).
Have had the Assiomas for over 3 yrs. They're still going strong. Reliable. The only drawback is they spin easily, so if you miss your clip in on the first attempt, it takes some practice finding it again while it spins around. But it's manageable and you get used to it.
I installed 4 Steadyracks in my garage yesterday. Wow! They are great, easier to load & unload than standard racks, & really clean up my space. They are pricey, but worth it.
Excellent informative video, I've been trying to decide on pedals or a crank based powermeter.
Indeed, I'm incredibly happy with how they look on the wall and tidying . Probaby going to get another few more to rack up a few of the mostly-retired bikes of both mine and my wife's that are just piled up in a corner right now. At least make them look pretty!
These look like a nice option overall. How much does the bike need to be lifted up to hang it on the rack? Wondering if my kids would be able to do it ~11 years old, riding a XS frame 700c bike.
@ Mike K., you set height yourself. The bike is place with the rear wheel against the wall, the front tire in the unfolded rack (but backward), measure to the top mounting hole, & transfer that measurement to a wall stud. I have each of my bikes mounted 3-4 inches higher than the previous. I have 4 bikes in a six foot space. Sorry so wordy.
@@dvs70 Thanks for the details - I've got two on the way to try out!
Very happy with them! Going to be buying 2 more.
I have had my Favero's now for right around 2 years and they are absolutely durable, accurate and the pricepoint the hands down winner given all other inputs to pick from as they are all fairly equal until the money aspect.
I have the speedplay's & love them! It would be nice to have the dynamics included but I love the ease of clipping in with a simple stomp!
I did the hack on the Faveros to run SPD and I destroyed them on the MTB. So do not use the Faveros off road. I knew it was a chance of breaking them but I wanted to test them myself. I am now onto the Garmin Vector 3 with the Rally XC pedal bodies and they have been working flawless. I paid about $450 for a refurbished set and $200 for the XC pedal bodies so similar to the Favero but can take a beating off road.
Assioma FTW! Been loving mine for 3 years now. I’ve replaced two pedals bodies and replaced the bearings once in over 22k miles.
Great content. I’m never disappointed with your reviews.
I’ve would love to hear you do a comparison of single-vs-dual power pedals. Aside from the obvious cost difference, what am I giving up with single power pedals and when would it be worth paying for dual power pedals. Thanks.
You would not be giving up anything except you will never know if you have a imbalance or not. Apart from that, it's more about consistency than absolute values.
I was an early adopter of power pedals. I remember walking up to to the cashier at the bike store with my gen1 garmins and the guy behind me said-“excuse me sir, what are those?” I replied “pedals”. He looked at me with disbelief and said “For $1800???”. Well I am still using Garmin power pedals. They haven’t been perfect, but Garmin as a company has been. They stand by the stuff they make and to me that is worth a lot. It probably is irrational loyalty but they get my vote and my money every time!
Excellent and timely, thanks Ray-Bob! Two weeks into life with Rally XC, I'm about to hit the DCR Analyzer for a first look at the numbers. Now I'm just holding my breath until I see the next gen of Garmin head units...
Enjoy the data geekery!
Word on the street is that it will be soon... And solar powered...
That certainly covered it. If someone is looking at pedal based power meters, I have no problem recommending this video 🤣.
Thanks!!!
Many thanks - short crisp and clear - as always
Thanks!!!
The DCR cave,Gadget Central!👏👏
I was a hardcore speedplay fan for years until they changed the cleat design; after that the durability went down hill and the cleats are expensive! I now have the Assiomas and am 100% happy
Also a good point is, if your going abroad and hiring a bike taking a set of power meter pedals is great option 😉😀👍
I don't have your pedal wrench but if you're wondering about your Y wrench, I think I had a hitchhiker in my bike bag from Gran Canaria 😬
After swearing I would never bother with power meters, I bought the Favero Assioma Duo pedals on the Look Keo platform. I LOVE THESE THINGS! Been riding them with a Garmin 830 about 8 months and can't imagine why I'd even trial anything else. I've been trying to talk myself out of ordering a second set so I don't have to swap them all the time -- not that it's difficult. It's almost more trouble to adjust for crank length than to physically swap the pedals.
Hi all. What a super helpful video thanks! I have a silly question. Is there a way to track my power accurately if I have an oval 60T chainring since I am pretending to be the incredible hulk while biking ❤❤❤. Or does oval not matter for power pedals measurement?
Best reviews by far. Thank you!
this video came out right when i needed it! thank you
Thanks!!!
Bought and used the Favero Assiomas Uno pedals for a 2000 mile charity ride last june, and they were pretty much flawless :)
Favero Assioma is an awesome product 👍
Very cool video Ray! I find the cycling dynamics interesting. (No, I don't use them) But from a hardware perspective, I was thinking that the Garmin pedals had four strain gauge sensors vs 2 in the others. I'm wondering if that is going to play a role in future cycling dynamics. 🤷♂️ Thanks so much for putting this together!
My understanding from the Keith Wakeham video is the current Assioma design is limited in being able to pull off PCO due to that. Though I’d imagine any future design would account for that.
Excited to see a review for Garmin Descent G1!
Yup, soon!!!
Awesome video. Thank for all the information and clarity.
I can't afford to try all these out so I'll stick with my Assioma pedals on 2 of my road bikes, which I love. I would hope that eventually they come out with a model with a smaller pod
Speedplay is the winner for me. The non powered pedals are far and away the best IMO. Dual sided, tons of float, easy to walk in. So if the power meter is as accurate as others, I am sold!
Been riding SPs for decades. So excited they finally have power. Lost a ton of money on a Kickstarter for the BrimBrothers praying they would bring power to SP. Thanks to Wahoo for delivering.
I have the Garmin V3 and they work very good!
The tshirt looks dope!
I love the t-shirt! xD
Plus, you gonna make me spend my money sometime in the future. Ugh. Again! But I'm looking into Favero or Garmin for a long time.
That bike storage is awesome. I have 9 bikes in a one bedroom apartment. It's obvious that I have a problem.
Dang, that's impressive!!!
I have a classic Speedpedal(before wahoo) and then got a favero power pedal... I was a big speedplay fan but it is frustrating maintaining and may switch it to a second favero power pedal. good review.
Awesome work. Thanks very much
I have Faveros since for over two years and put on them around 20k km. They work spot on in frosty winters and in scorching heat. On The top of that they are extremly consistent with data I get from my Kickr. The only gripe I have with Assioma is that they have not released MTB pedals yet ;) Tired with waiting I bought last week Garmin Rallys XC and they suck a lot. And by a lot I mean here +20-40% against my Kickr. If they are correct, and they should be after firmware update and calibration, I should be be contacting Polish MTB Kross team to contract me for nest XC Worldcup ;) I am extremly disappointed with Garmins and sending them back for repair or replacement.
I’m a year late but you can swap out the Assioma pedals for a couple of Xpedo Spd compatible pedals! I believe the CXR and M-Force 8 are compatible with this mod.
I've already got a set of Garmin Vector 3, and have no intention of replacing them, but I've just sat through this entire video (having also watched the independent reviews previously). I really appreciate your content.
Also... where can I get that t-shirt (I've already checked the DCR store).
No problem, here ya go: threadandspoke.com/collections/star-wars/products/tt-trooper
Favero Assioma and Pro MX any day of the week and twice on Sunday. I can't recommend them enough.
Ray didn't say it but you can purchase replacement parts for every part of the Favero pedals
What could you replace in terms of wear and tear over time from clipping in and out? At least the metal plate?
@@nessuno5403 You can replace every part on those pedals. I have replaced the pedal body and the bearings on both pedals. Here is a video on how to replace the pedal body. ruclips.net/video/nTkApiQ09v0/видео.html
@@Crymerge thank you
Wahoo really need to bring out a choice of spindle lengths. That's why many people chose speedplay in the first place.
That’s a cool shirt . Thanks for the video. Really informative
I got the Garmin Rally XC200 with a nice 30% discount from a local Garmin Store. I didn't go for the Assiomas for the simple reason that I don't like proprietary charger connectors, I don't like keeping cables for everything I own. My bikes are not stored near an electrical socket. I don't want to remove the pedals for charging or move the bicycle for...charging the freaking pedals. I already did one battery change on my XC200, after 3 months; granted they already had some shelf life, but the battery change was 5 minutes, and the batteries were VERY easy to get, there's a store that specializes in batteries near my house, so yeah, no problem getting the batteries.
I recently submerged my pedals under water while passing a puddle that was WAY deeper than expected, the pedals kept chugging along, I wouldn't have that confidence with something that has the exposed charging ports; granting they are designed with that in mind, but megh. I just love the "monolithic" design of the XC200. Loving my Garmin pedals, knock on wood.
Do you know if you could take the dual sided speedplay pedals and keep 1 pedal on my road bike and 1 pedal on my tri bike (effectively creating 2 one sided power meters)?
I've been a long time fan of all your work, Keep up all of the great review content!
2019 and I was actually looking to preorder iQsquare power meter pedal.
Completely unrelated to pedals but distracted me throughout 😂 where can I get one of those t-shirts Ray? Thanks 😊
Was about to ask the same question 😆
Haha, here ya go: threadandspoke.com/collections/star-wars/products/tt-trooper
Thank you for the informative video. Keep up the awesome work. It's been sometime since I last asked you, and wanted to know if you currently recommend buying an Oura Ring. Thank You
I don’t at this juncture. Check out yesterdays written post on the site for some thoughts there.
I switched to Rallys after my customer service experience with Favero. There is no way you're not going to have problems with your power meter at some point if you ride enough, and it took 5 months of emailing back and forth, and doing dumb experiments on the pedals with Favero to finally get them replaced. Vs Garmin, I lost one of my battery caps mountain biking, I replaced it with a spare one from a vector 3, and the left right balance didn't seem normal. I called them, they said they would send me new caps but if those didn't work they would send me new spindles. Garmins are expensive, but if it was for Favero, and I didn't have another crank based power meter laying around, I wouldn't have had one for months.
I have both, and I had a similar experience with Favero. They eventually replaced my faulty left pedal and they work fine now. I use my garmins more often though.
I've put bodies from Shimano PD-M520 on my Assiomas and they work perfectly. I imagine Favero cannot guarantee that this combo will work with every shoe, so they don't advertise it.
I am thinking to make that too.
I use xtr m9100 pedals right now.
Do you know if they can be mounted in Assiomas duo?
As for the Qfactor.
It will go to 64-65mm.right now xtr have 55mm.i do not think my shoes can take so much difference in Qfactor.
Great review as usual! Did you have the same issue as GPLama with the Garmin? He mentions “unresolved issues with what appears to be residual torque after really hard sprints on the Rally RS”. I have a pair of assioma but I would like some MTB/Gravel pedals with power and Garmin seems the most valuable option. Thanks!
I’d love to see an SPD version of the Assioma’s! I like the walk-ability of SPD cleats, but I don’t like the price of Garmin
Great video, as always! Thanks! Couple of quick questions. I have Quarq on my TT bike and Stages single crank arm on my road bike. As I consider adding to the collection, and consider power pedals, should I expect the data to be similar. i.e. If I do an FTP test on all bikes, should the data be about the same. Second question - what is your preference Quarq [crank] power meter or pedal power meter. Thanks again!!
Thanks for that informative Video 👍😎
Whats would you reccomend to a guy who uses different crank lenghts( left 175mm and right 165mm, because of different long legs) in Terms of a One sided or two sided pedal powermeter, as you have to choose one crank lenght during the setup?
Thanks in Advance and best regards
Julian
Can you get different spindle lengths on the speedplays? That’s one of the huge advantages of the regular speedplay pedals from a fit standpoint
No, not on the pedals.
Great review, thanks! The assioma are just great! How does the power reading of the assiomas compare to the power of that produced using the Tacx Neo 2 T? Is there much difference? Thanks.
Very informative video. Where did you get the T-shirt? I think I want it more than a power meter pedal 😅.
This was awesome thank you, I have the Assiomo duos and love them, wish they’d make mountain bike pedals. Great job brother thank you
I did the MTB conversion of them, works like a charm!
Awesome & Thanks :)
Assioma works perfectly, always.
Brilliant! 👏 If portability between bikes was not needed, I guess it still gets too complicated (and pricey) to instead consider, say, a Shimano DA power meter crankset in lieu of these pedal systems?
great comparison video. Thank you. I am a big fan of the assioma faveros. They just work. I have also had the Garmin Rally WC pedals but sold them now. I have found that the Garmins just show lower power values than the Assioma or all my Quarq powermeters I use. Did you find as well that the Garmin Rally show lower power values than other powermeters?
Faveros 100% - rock solid, good battery life, amazing price to performance ratio. The Vectors put me off ever buying another Garmin product.
Where can I get that t-shirt?
When you factor in the depreciation of EUR, the Garmin pedals just double the price of Favero Assioma Duo. I can’t imagine why I would buy the Garmin pedals at this difference in pricing.
Great review, but it would have been nice to see the lean angle of the Favero Assioma shi !
Sorry, totally forgot! I added it to the written review though here: www.dcrainmaker.com/2022/04/power-meter-pedal-buyers-guide.html/comment-page-1#cornering (along with some interesting tidbits on why it's actually not as bad as one might think).
Do you know if those blu SRMs will ever become available to the public? Best I can tell, they only offer black or red now.
Hey DC have an honest question. I ride 4 to 5 hours a week around neighborhoods. So it’s nothing extreme. I also want to be able to take my pedals off and put them on a stationary bike I have so I can do Zwift in the colder months. What would you recommend? Thanks again love the channel.😮
I'd probably get the Favero Assioma pedals. They're the least expensive ones, but also one of the most accurate.
The SPD-style Kickstarter powermeter pedal project from The Netherlands is still not out? After what, 5 years?
2 sets of duel sided Assiomas here. 5 stars.
Great review! I myself am an Ass(ioma) man
That’s the spirit!
Where did you get that shirt!?? Link please! Thanks :)
Hi Ray, thnx for another very useful video. As i've been riding Speedplay pedals for over 2 decades you can imagine i'm very interested in the Wahoo system. Maybe you can answer a non powermeter related question for me (and probably others)
I've multiple bikes with the very old x-series pedals and also multiple shoes with their non walkable cleats. Do the wahoo pedals fit the old cleats???
Google tells me that only the zero series are interchangable and i tried wahoo cleats on x-pedals. Which clip in with some force but you'll need to take them off and use a screwdriver to ever get them unclipped 😜.
But so far i haven't found real life experience of what happens when you put the old cleats on new pedals.
And obviously that knowledge is very useful as it would make life so much easier if it did fit
Thnx
so here is my question, maybe it's been covered in another video? What are the pros and cons of a pedal PM vs a crank-arm PM?
Can you discuss temperature compensation and calibration between the pedals as comparison?
I’m a nutshell, all four of these brands to Active Temp compensation in their pedals, and based on my most current testing, they all handle swings of temp well. I did a number of warm semi-tropical sea to top of near snow volcano rides with a few different units on and off road, and all tracked very well through that.
Do you think Wahoo will be adding Shimano spd or any other styles?
Hard to say. Patent-wise they could do it, but business wise speaking I doubt they’d do it, since I suspect they’d want to invest in the Speedplay variants that were historically there for off-road.
@@Dcrainmaker I’ve had the old Speedplay Mtn bike pedals, they where not very durable nor user friendly. It would be nice to see what the come up with now that they have redeveloped the cleats.
Cool tshirt
Gravel: I wouldn't recommend using Favero's. The pod of one of mine cracked (probably struck by a rock), then water got into it and it failed. I continued using the other working pedal, but the same thing happened to that one. I'll probably buy a replacement, they're great products, but I won't be using them on gravel again.
your definition or inexpensive is different to mine, haha, yes the assiomas is cheaper, but still expensive to some.
True, but, it’s all relative in cycling tech.
Don't worry Ray, we don't need to see the footage first - we trust you 😉
Favero basically blows the others out of the water in terms of price/performance! No-brainer! 😋
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Yup, hard to beat for sure.
My bikefitter says the assioma shimano is the worst option to take as they Q factor is much different
Thanks for the info. Do you really need both sides or would single give you enough training load data?
Most people are within 2% balanced between sides. It's nice to borrow and ride with dual sided just once to determine this. From there on, single-sided to save money.
Did you mention the ability to swap the Assioma spindle to an XPedo MTN-bike pedal body? Thanks 👍🏼
I forgot to mention it in the video but did cover it in-depth in the post. It's definitely a good option, though does require some shoes to be 'trimmed', and others have reported issues with pod breakage because of rocks flying up and hitting pods (yet, plenty of others have had nor problems at all).
Hi There,
Do the various pedals all connect to the various head units? EG: Garmin head unit connecting to Assiomas pedals.
Yes, all of them do connect to every unit that accepts ANT+, which from a cycling perspective is every head unit. It’s a bit messier when we talk Bluetooth only watches like a Suunto or Polar…
Thanks, appreciate the response and video very helpful.