Time to re-think your top end bike purchase? Framework first look.
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- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
- If you are going to splash big dosh on a bicycle, may as well do it right. This or a 14k flake of the mass produced QC wafer? You could build up a custom bike for a lot less than a full build from the big brands, and have a bag of change. Time to build now and thrash, to see if i can find some issues!
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Am interviewing FW next week regarding the design choices of the frame, including the bonded lugs, CNC processing, tube making, BB choice etc, failure modes etc. Fever of anticipation to see how this holds up to a winter of corrosion. Bit of background as this was a very quick video: Jon and I initiated this frame idea over a year ago. He offered to make one for the channel allowing me free reign on the geo. No money swapped hands - his and Elyse’s man hours of labour all poured in for free so I am forever grateful for that, i just paid the import duty! Cant wait to build this up and for me I envisage it as the ultimate road bike for my use case.
@@PeakTorque it's a stunning looking frame I'll give you that
Beauty! could you ask him about the dimensioning of the custom parts? is he running fem for each design or does he include enough safety margin so it works for all the designs? What about stiffness tests of bb, headset, ...
"No money swapped hands" No, you just traded this zootube advertisement for a free bike. Nothing new there. Same for made-to-measure/custom geometry and certainly nothing new about bonding carbon tubes into metal lugs - I glued a few Alan/Nishiki bikes (made the same way) back together in my bike shop daze.
Hard to believe you couldn't have had any number of artisan builders make something to fit you with the features you wanted vs this CNC'd, metal/carbon bonded blast-from-the-past. But hey, the price was right, so...
@@larryt.atcycleitalia5786 it shows how you just flew over what Framework does. Have a great day and take the time to read a little bit next time.
I've completely turned my back on carbon bike components because the quality is almost entirely awful. Frameworks really has me reconsidering that
Framework and Frameworks are different companies unfortunately haha
There are few carbon frame companies who make superb quality stuff such as calfee.
Carbon is incredibly reliable. While I'd love this bike, I also trust a fully carbon bike more than a multi material bike.
@@mikekrasovec6390easy to make something well when you never innovate.
Frameworks is Neko Mulally. Framework is a different company.
Saw this bike in person at Made bike show. Guy definitely loves his work and deserves attention when his creations are pure functional artwork.
I'm jealous on many levels. Can you weigh it just for kicks? I'm curious what the "terrible" weight penalty is that the bike industry says exists for stuff like this, vs their mass produced mistakes.
So cool.
Indeed. I'm guessing less than 1.5 pound/0.75 kilo mark. For what you want, with everything custom including stem length and Garmin mount, with ideal seat position and BB drop, wont make a difference on TT and may even be better for climbing.
And I was so naive thinking I dont need another bike. I was so wrong. ❤️🔥
I like this content better than picking fights with other RUclipsrs.
Aluminum and Carbon Fiber = battery?
epoxy is 'prolly insulating the interfaces.
John from Framework could explain this in more detail, but on his Bikes the Carbon Tubes and Aluminium Lugs are never in contact with each other
Aluminium and carbon in the aerospace industry are usually isolated with a layer of stuff referred to as "tissue"
@@seanmccuen6970 It does until it doesn't. All adhesive interfaces between dissimilar materials rather sooner than later will disintegrate. Basic physics. There is a reason real bike manufacturers dropped this kind of hybrid constructions altogether. I'm old enough to remember how those bikes first appeared and then later vanished completely. I have seen enthusiasts having them and later cursing them due to cropping up issues.
All good points. Looking forward to a winter of heavy corrosive testing!
most of us don't need the aero and marginal weight savings but all of us can appreciate sensible design and quality manufacturing
Exactly
I’m not as tal as Peak Torque, but apparently I have similar proportions, I can’t stand bikes with set back seat posts and am always doubting between what frame size is should pick as my leg length says I could ride a 56 but my torso wants no bigger then a 52, as such I always run a relatively short stem on a frame that’s something in between. It might also explain why I like climbing out of the saddle…
This story sort of shows how a fully custom frame could be a better solution compared to pre defined frame sizes, but how to rest this out without doing the investment?
A bike fit?
Beautiful frame. Reminds me of a 1980's Alan Record Carbonio. That was a gorgeous bike too!
You mean those bikes where the carbon tubes unbonded from the aluminum lugs? Nishiki sold a bunch of 'em with their stickers on 'em. I glued a few of 'em back together after making the customer sign a waiver that absolved us from any blame for future issues. I think bike making has moved on since the 1980's?
It is marvelous!
That is the coolest bike I have seen in a while!! Really cool video
Just remember to call Chris Harris a grifter when he gets the next gt3rs in to test
@@PeakTorqueI think I’m mentally not all there because I don’t know what that means
Immaculate bottom bracket shell.
geo is really similar to a ritchey montebello. great design.
There's a few brands doing additive manufactured lugs with carbon tubes... Once upon a time it was considered the only way to mass produce a carbon frame before we figured out other ways to do it. I know exactly how it benefits a smaller manufacturer in regards to prototyping etc, but I've never understood how any of these "bespoke" options benefit the consumer. The titanium lugs on an Atherton mountain bike don't mean a thing if you're still buying the same bike everyone else is getting, and if a brand were to offer custom geometry for every bike, it can be a sign that they have little confidence in any one particularly frame, or they can pass the blame onto the consumer if the lengths and angles weren't from their own stash of recommended values.
At the end of the day, it's all just the same load of bicycle w*nk, but coming out of a different knob. Some of us geek out far too much about stuff that doesn't actually matter a whole lot. Have a bike, enjoy riding it, don't worry too much about anything else.
These type of one off frames are getting loads of attention lately. Personally I like them better than the typical hi end offerings which imo seem to date themselfs way too quickly. Great video PT can't wait to see it all built up.
Gorgeous frame. The aluminum lugs contribute a lot to the classic look. And at the same time truly a super-/hyper-bike.
totally agree on the relatively slack seat tube angles on larger frames - something that has bugged me for a while looking for a new frame
Regarding slack seat tube angles, some of us actually benefit from having a slack seat tube angle. I personally wind up with sore knees and overworked quads if I have my saddle's fore-aft position centered on a bike with a 73.5 degree seat tube angle + 20mm offset seatpost. My hamstrings aren't engaged at all. As soon as I move the saddle back about 10 - 15 mm, my leg muscles feel more "balanced", my power goes up, and I'm more efficient.
100% the same
Same here, i'm 185cm long femurs and short torso and need more setback than average. I ride a with SMP Blaster on a 25mm offset seatpost, 165mm cranks.
Seatposts with setback are abundant and increase comfort because they let the post flex more, but seatposts which can be rotated and used to set the saddle forward are rare and decrease comfort. Steep seat tube bikes are so rare - I'm using a MTB frame in a road build because of this exact reason
Im actually not changing anything here vs my TCR. the seat position relative to the BB is the same but will be clamped in the center of the rails rather than being slammed forward
The future is custom, but only for those who know, what they want
Looks naff
Love this approach. CG to such nice work
Your engineering content is top notch, i learnt so much from you that i put in practice multiple times over the last few years. The small things, ultimately, are the crucial ones when it comes to bike geometry and biomechanic angles for efficient bike interaction.
Looking at it with some experience and hours spent experimenting and learning up, one of my pet peeves must be people obsessed with post setback offset and saddle aft like it "has" to be part of the bike setup at all costs not to jeopardize your "center of gravity" and handling on the bike.
Sure one could say it looks more ordinary and eye-pleasing, but arguments such as "balance point" and "pressure on wrists" (lol, keep running those 150mm seat-to-handlebar drops instead) without ever considering pedaling/body mechanics and the angles pop mass manufacturers work with on their edr slanted-top-tube bikes makes them look wild to me.
Seeing anything under 73 is already questionable enough. But looking and some geo charts from top brands and seeing them lower the seat angle as the frames get bigger is just cringe worthy. Not only you get a worse geo, but you also have to factor in the higher overall seat height which compounds to ungodly amounts of setback behind the BB that no 'XL' legs can comfortably make up for. As if they had not the slightest idea.
Might not be noticeable enough to the average joe on flat, but pushing the pedals on the climbs with a properly fore-set saddle with perhaps a degree or two of decline might just be one of the best feelings oh the bike, coming from a compromised sub-optimal "guideline-setup".
Cool to see small but Anal manufacturers being showcased;) Thanks Pt
As a taller guy with longer arms and torso, and proportionally long femurs, I get what you're saying completely, and couldn't disagree more :-) Give me high BBs, slack seat tubes and long, slammed front ends any day, none of this t-rex BS 🙂
In all seriousness, though, it would be great to see brands offer half the number of spec levels/colours, in double the number of geometry options. Trek used to offer two fits in all their race bikes, and I would love to see another brand start to do that again, maybe even taking it further. There could be one with lower BB, steeper seat angle, shorter reach, higher stack and longer chainstays for the t-rexs, and one with higher BB, slacker seat angle, longer reach, shorter stays and lower stack for the dachshunds. Then I might be able to stop having to buy 150mm stems and layback seatposts...
Beautiful. Not judging just curious, why didn't you opt for UDH? I think that's the way the industry is going, and maybe more importantly, it's easy to remember which derailleur hanger you need when you order spares.
look closer, that is UDH.
It is udh compatible with a standard shimano mount is what ive gone for as i dont use sram
SRAM is the fancy shmancy and overly present on american media. However it is not the industry leader by a long shot. There is nothing universal about their patented solutions.
Congrats. That thing looks amazing, true engineering piece of art. Can’t imagine that with Bronze lugs. Too bad I can’t afford it. ✌️👍
I always thought lugs and carbon tubes were the best way to build a bike, ala Colnago.
Check out the Seven 622
I so like my 2024 BMC Roadmachine with the 74.2 degree seattube and 75mm BB drop. I know it's heavy (but so am I, so relatively speaking is not that big of a deal). But it's the nicest bike I've ever tried.
In a follow up vid could you comment on oppurtunity / benefit of adjusting lug to tube edge angle to optimise load distribution relative to carbon tube... knowing this was done on carbon carbon lugged frMes previously... cheers..
Love it!
Now this is engineering. The frame is so beautiful though.
That is very impressive. I don't usually care for the mixed materials on a frame but that is stunning. I also love that it's not 3D printed. I do not like that look and what John has done with the machining is lovely. Congratulations, Alex. That is one amazing frameset. I will put Framework on my short dream list.
Lets see how it rides first and stands up to the winter of corrosion 😮
@@PeakTorque You make a fair point. Pragmatic as usual. That's why I'm here.
If I designed that frame the ti lug sleeves would've been longer, stiffer and more bonding area.
You done the calc?
Neither has Framework. He's said he doesn't do FEA for his frames. @@PeakTorque
@@Factoryseconds123 if you think FEA is the basis of engineering calculations you should give your dean of the school a bollocking. You don’t need FEA to do basic shear calcs for adhesives.
@@PeakTorque you still do the FEA in order to find the forces in joints. Even when you take the whole tube as singular element and do the calculation on paper.
Not sure why my comment was removed. All I said was FW was awesome and Jon is very generous with his time to answer any questions or respond to comments. One of my favorite engineering pages
No comments removed here!
@@PeakTorquemaybe it didn’t post to begin with… Weird! Anyway, can’t wait to listen to the interview.
That is slick!!! 🤌
This is what happens when an early 1990s Specialized Allez Epic is put into a time machine and the dial is set to 2024
Yeah I was getting early 90's/mid 80's carbon+lugged road bike vibes. Neat to see it come back.
Still riding my Alan from the 80s built like this
Aesthetically, that is sexy-time right there.
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F*cking epic! I need my own 😀
problem with radicals and very personnal geometries like this : it will be VERY hard to sell it... unless you find someone who has your body proportions and riding preference...
And another thing : galvanic corrosion between carbon and aluminium ? Never liked those associations on frames
Not a bike am looking to sell. Probably the only time il have free reign on geo. The seat position wont change relative to the bb wont change, but the seat rails will now be clamped in the middle vs slammed forward
Finally, someone who understands bike geometry! You know, after you reviewed that Yoeleo and critised it's geometry, I delved deep into this topic. It seems to me like most brands have no idea what they're doing, see everyone do 72° head and seat angles and just copy it. I ended up designing my own gravel frame. I got to similar conclusions to you, but went a bit bolder. 78° seat angle, 67° head angle, 90mm bb drop and front center long enough to avoid toe overlap. It's the best handling bike I've ever ridden! Maybe the difficult thing about geometry is that each of these decisions is done for a reason and if you don't understand how they change the handling you won't be able to combine them into a good result.
Having ridden many many bikes over the years and my favourite climbers being modern mtb hardtails im pretty sure i want the steeper sta.
"78° seat angle, 67° head angle, 90mm bb drop and front center long enough to avoid toe overlap."
Back in my moto daze we called 'em "desert sleds" really stable but you hoped you never came upon a sharp turn! Gravel bikes seem to be dividing into two camps...quick, responsive vs..well.....desert sled. To each their own!
@@larryt.atcycleitalia5786 it can do sharp turns just fine. I never understood this need for sharp steering, because what feels very quick at low speed, is wobbly and dangerous at higher speed. This bike performs all the steering inputs I need and none that I don't. My previous bike was completely out of control on loose gravel at 40 km/h, on this one I can go 50 just fine with my forearms horizontal for aerodynamics. Also, steering 'speed' has nothing to do with actual straight line speed.
How can you lean into a turn with 90mm bb drop?
What a beauty!
Giant Contend AR 1 comes to mind as a bike that has 80 mm BB drop. And the Revolt line too.
Specialized Diverge (I got the base alloy). Seat tube angle 73.75, BB drop 80
fav stuff going on right now --- bonkers --- can't wait to see your build!
what kind of rubbish are you talking here about ‘such great’ geometry
for an allroad bike?
75° SA (you only ride uphill?!), 72° HTA (what a poor FC then!), PF bottom bracket etc etc?
A little less hype would have been appropriate.
Its the geometry ive settled on after 15 years of riding road bikes. It’s custom for my bike fit, preference. Wont work for others probably.
Ah another admirer of ruined fine threads in some wired english measurement unit... Yeah sure PF is too simple for the internet to fathom.
Are you worried about galvanic corrosion? There looks like a gap between the tubes and the lugs, like 2:54 and 3:34 that has been filled with green adhesive which I guess to be epoxy?
That is primary concern with this type of frame design. Will interview them next week in another video and im sure they can address it. Hopefully not the same problems as mass produced frames of the past.
@@PeakTorque "Hopefully not the same problems as mass produced frames of the past."
It will interesting to read what amazing (and proprietary) wizardry is being utilized to prevent it...that none of the mass-producers of these relics knew about?
Surely galvanic corrosion only occurs between 2 x metals on the noble scale?
Not between a metal and a carbon bonded tube/lug structure.
@@Ian-Saxon Wrong. Carbon is a conductive material. Salts gets in from the environment or the rider.
@@rosomak8244 same as any other frame then.
Nothing different to lugged/brazed/bonded frames from time immemorial .
Are we talking about sacrificial anodes or cathodes then to retain frame integrity?
Really interested to learn about the corrosion theory behind bonded metals and plastics 👍
But for sure @peaktorque will elaborate further in future videos
lugged frames look so nice, its been great to see the comeback of lugged frames
I'm currently riding a custom bike with a 74.5° STA, 70° HTA and 80mm BB drop. Rides better than any off the shelf bike I've been on.
Bastion cycle australia....?
@@doublett4193 I asked the same question. Apparently, this is cast Al, not 3d printed Ti
These are inspiring and are the best proof for why more women in cycling makes everyone's days on the bike more rewarding.
I watched the video all the way through, but I seem to have missed the following information:
In your comment you say that no money was exchanged?
Are we to understand that you have been gifted a £14,000 (you put 14k frame) custom bike frame? In exchange for a review?
@@reginaldscot165 no review promised, no agreement. Frame gifted to me personally. I paid import taxes. Frame value is 7750usd last time i checked, depending on spec/features.
At some point, trusting no one reaches its limits.
Understanding Peak Torque and the integrity of approach is important. He’s earned the right to be given the benefit of the doubt.
“Trust but verify” works too.
this is/was not a review, and what is to come will most likely be an academic discussion on whether or not his chosen design direction/ideas of what's ideal yields any gains, and not of the actual frame
20% VAT on 14,000 is 2800 GBP, and then there is duty on top! yikes. Peaky will have paid over 3K GBP in taxes.
@@PeakTorqueLove your channel. But always good practice to be upfront if something is sponsored/gifted. Helps your audience understand where you come from, most of all when you helped spec it. Consciously or not, that will influence your oponion. You hold others to high standardard as you should, but do the same to yourself. Makes it easier to understand when you gloss over possible downsides ("I'm not even going to weigh it").
Sorry, I have bad memories of working with Trek Carbon-Al bonded frames, and never want to see them again. Yes, I know this is Ti-Al, but any time there is a metal glued to a CF composite, galvanic corrosion is always a possibility.
say that's a nice bike
"that's a nice bike"
The 80mm BB drop is concerning me as I already get pedal strike with 70mm. But maybe tires are not big enough.
Otherwise I like all of the justifications youve made.
John is a great guy to learn from on instagram. As a relatively fresh mechanical engineer, I've asked him multiple questions over DM's and he's always thorough in his responses. You can tell he's obsessed with what he does and I was super excited to see this upload!
This looks like a weird crossbreed between a modern all-integrated frame and a 1970s clean round tubed steel frame, and I love it. Can't wait to see more of it!
This looks sooo nice and absolutely fitting! Enjoy it! Ride it hard! Ride it harder! Please do a 400k ride with it and show us how much Coke and Sweets youre crushed
:)
AMEN on seat tube angles. 6’6 here with (even) longer legs and a shorter torso. Also have my saddle slammed forwards, such that I can’t fix a saddle bag. Very annoying.
Wow! Very interesting, looking forward to seeing the build.
can you please upload your podcasts/interviews to streaming platforms like spotify and fountain. not just youtube. Thanks
Van Tuyll and some other brands had titanium lugs and carbon tubes, Giant Cadex did this too: those bikes are Classics.
Classics? Well I'll agree they should be hanging-up somewhere to be looked at rather than being ridden. That Cadex thing and it's Big-S cousin were recalled if I remember correctly.
@@larryt.atcycleitalia5786 maybe, but they were at the forefront of innovation, as such iconic. (I have seen old Cadex bikes riding around happily, should be fine/safe)
@@larryt.atcycleitalia5786 Still have a Cadex from 1992 in near mint condition as a daily ride. Of course I wouldn't race it and neither had previous owner, but it held up against the elements well.
It looks like a 90s Look or ALAN frame.
Lovely craftsmanship.
Eye candy.
Will last a lifetime I bet.
Better than that Tavelo 5 bar gate from the other week.
Keep the pigs out, not in 👍
Wow, Peak Torque is again in agreement with my thinking.
80mm BB drop, yes- I would add besides the shorter crank trend, BB heights were established back when pedals were at their worst for cornering.
Big believer in positioning with focus on forearms parallel to the ground and PT has the data proof on that.
Seat angle would likely work for my moderately tall 6'2".
Here's the funny thing - I have a frame handmade in 2007 - lugged steel with a some of these designs. When it was made there was nobody would have guessed the competitive gravel cycling world trend towards this bike. It can even take 32mm tires and has the same head tube angle as that FW.
I've compared it to modern gravel/all road designs and it's always close.
Some of this design has been hiding in the audux (randonneur - sport touring) world. It's also close to what was stage raced before bikes began getting popped out of molds.
I also have the problem of very long legs. This looks absolutely fantastic. Question about the slack-ish head angle: Is there really something behind the „nimble“ handling in road cycling? On the MTB side, going to slacker head angles was a game changer. Why not on a road bike? I mean to win the Tour de France you need a bike that can go down stable at 100kph but you don‘t need to turn on a spot like in cyclocross. I have a Merida Silex gravel bike which has 74.5 seat angle, 69 head angle and a shorter stem and I only see benefits.
100% agree with the steeper seat tube angle. I am 6'6". I had a Battaglin San Luca made a few years ago with geometry based off a 63cm CAAD10 but incorporating a 74 degree STA and a 72.5 degree HTA. I run a zero-offset seatpost with my saddle mounted mid-rail. It really helps me keep my hip angle open when I am in the drops, especially with my 180mm *gasp horror* K-Force Light cranks. Couldn't get this geometry any other way than custom.
Been following FW ok insta for over a year. Feel like at 6ft4 (61cm frame) custom geo might be beneficial, but haven't pulled the trigger yet: geo is part of equation. How do you deal with stiffness and expectations?
That quality should cause alot.. But I am happy to pay excellent quality than popular branding.. Having custom size alone is amazing
I always admire high quality engineered products. It's sad that they're so rare. Looking forward to your build and ride experience.
Man, his work has been my dream come true for a while now, I follow ALL of his posts on Instagram, it's a shame that his level of precision isn't the industry standard.
Impressive bike frame builder . Now about seat post angles , I am totally on the same page . So I got my frame builder to coverts my track bike to a road . Had to take both seat and chain stay out . And put new in . Was happy with the original stays . Only runs 25 mm tire. Sweet as . Swap the straight Track fork to early tcr fork . Also 180 mm cranks . Most rider over looks center of gravity . . Canadian know there Bikes. Enjoy your videos 👍
If you ever think of getting it painted, Mario Martini, who is famous for painting SOMECs in the 80’s, still does custom one-off paint jobs
That looks really good. Those rear brake mounts as part of the chain stay seat stay interface should be spot on square and flat. Building that up for you as an engineer should be a joy rather than constantly have to sort out problems by tapping and facing. Well done.
Quality craftsmanship, functionality, and beauty. Gets me drooling. Love to see all the different builds
looking forward to seeing more of this...had looked a lot at Bastion a few years ago including seeing one with the uk agent. 3d printed titanium lugs and custom carbon tubes. We have become so conditioned to what big brands do to generate consumption and profit, that it is often difficult to step back and absorb things which have been created from re-evaluating starting principles as you've done with this frame.
Looks a great frame. Love the stem and the recessed top bolts! Looks incredible. Being 5ft11 with a 6ft3 armspan and legs to match can relate with the usual bike geo. Hard getting anything that feels right. I'm a fan of steep seat tubes,inline seatposts with rails all the way forward and I hate layback posts! Now I know why.
Fascinating looking frame, would be interested to learn more about the bonding process more than anything.
reducing the centre of gravity to increase stability is a strange argument
I've similar body proportion, but I'm shorter then you, and I agree 100% on all.
Steeper seat tube angle are needed in order to avoid having the saddle all the way forward also because most seatpost have a negative offset of 20 mm, those two combined are a mess with our body type. Also the BB drop, as I use 165 mm crack and big tyres (34 mm minimum) there should be higher drops in order to lower the centre of gravity, as you told. Last but not least, I have always toe overlap and it's very annoying.
As I started touring this year now I see all those issues together, plus the fact that eyelet are so fragile. In November I'll do a bike design & construction course and I'm thinking of building my own bike
Hilariously, I have the opposite problem: long torso, short legs & I ride a 52 usually.
The seat tube angles are usually 74, 75 or even 76.
What I really need is a 72- and some bikes have that, but it's a problem of off the peg bikes for sure. can be a hassle to get a long enough lay-back seatpost.
Looking forward to seeing this come together.
I'd definitely consider a custom stem. Not really any options for a -12d stem that's 150-160mm long with internal routing and he'd maybe make one.
That is a beautiful bike, but it will be interesting to hear how it actually rides since you basically designed it from theory. When ever I do something something like this, I find that is doesn’t work very well without some tweaking so it will be interesting to hear weather or not you hit the nail on the head.
Looks like my CADEX CFR1 in 1995. Must say it was a fantastic bike, hope this bring you joy.
59/81 degrees here. Super low super enduro. 27.5/26 mullet. 190/190mm travel. 40mm fork offset.
It does look like a thing of beauty. It reminds me of some of the titanium companies mtb's in the 90's with the lugs and carbon tubes like Seven.
When Indurain was winning the Tour the 'shove the saddle back' was a big thing. Also long cranks. That's all reversed now.
I have long legs for my height, and I prefer steeper seat tube angles, at least 73.5. Less than that and I feel like I have to increase my stem length/reach to get proper position balance and extension.
It is like Bastion frames from Australia, but they 3D print, all metal elements, and carbon is wound in-house (tubes). Maybe a bit of Czech Festka ; )
Absolutely gorgeous, but what really appeals is that individual bits can be replaced if damaged, so no need to ditch the whole frame if something unfortunate occurs.
If they're in business which is a huge risk with small builders. That said, most damage will be reperable vs needing replacement tubes
@@veganpotterthevegan Yes, always risky dealing with small companies, but I personally wouldn’t risk riding a repaired monocoque CF frame.
@eugenedreyer4805 I had no idea what I was doing outside of experience laying fiberglass. But the first bike I repaired was crashed by a customer. He left it with the shop. I repaired it and put 10 miles on it. The person I sold it to has put over 150k miles on it and he's about 230lbs. I bought my Cervelo P5 broken. I've put about 20k on it since the repair and I'm a 190lb cat1. No fear of breaking this bike either. It had a huge crack in the downtube that was a lot worse once I stripped the paint.
@@veganpotterthevegan Well done!
Beautiful Frame! Love the simple, vintage looking lines, lugs, and that dull metal finish. $8K is still a little dear, but it is an amazing option for those with 💰.
I have admired these frames on Instagram for years. The amount of thought and work that goes into then is astonishing. The finished product also looks amazing and will likely be very durable.
As a fellow Canadian and having had my eye on Framework since the beginning I’m ecstatic to see you being impressed. So looking forward to your interview
You should all probably discover va_ina and stop worrying about seat tube angles
Absolutely Gorgeous, looking forward to more coverage on this gem
My 90s lightspeed ti TT frame has the same 75degree seat Angle , I'm the same height as you I use I no exactly were your coming from
Nice frame
So what about galvanic corrosion...🤔
Thats proper bike porn . As someone whose done anodising for over 30 years green colour is bit of a pain .
I won’t lie, been considering a full Ti custom bike as my next purchase. But this does look good
One day I will own one of these bikes. When I first saw John show off one of his bike at MADE in PDX last year, I was hooked ❤
My Xl focus izalco max has a 73,5 seatube angle that is pretty good right?
Bro, you have to weigh it 😊
416mm reach
thats 👏 my 👏 shit 👏 right 👏 there 👏