I like this type of format. Another idea could be to interview a low income family that are making a ev work for them, I've never seen this, but there must be examples out there.
@@ChazWyvern Bad move. EV motoring was only ever intended to be cheap until enough people had them. Long term (when you are paying for every mile you drive, & the cost of charging your car is very high) it will work out just as expensive as running an ICE car, may be more......
@@Brian-om2hh depends on how old that used EV is…Would I buy a 10 year old EV? Absolutely not for the same reason I wouldn’t buy a 10 year old HEV (currently own a hybrid btw).
There is a real problem developing in the UK when travelling distances - we just completed a 310 mile trip from Sussex to St Helens in Merseyside, with a planned short stop seeing friends near Banbury (Chipping Norton). We started with 80% charge in our EQC, and stopped at Beaconsfield Services on the M40 - all 4 Gridserve, and all 4 Ionity chargers, were occupied, with other EVs queuing as well! My wife persuaded me to try Oxford services - the 2 (!!) Gridserve chargers there were occupied, and although there were quite a number of Tesla chargers there, Tesla are not running their pilot scheme for non-Tesla owners at this site. So we ended up taking a detour to the Banbury Instavolt charging site - we were to be user 10 charging, out of a total of 16 rapid chargers (just looked now, at 1:40am, and 14 of the 16 chargers are occupied!). There has been a marked increase in EV ownership in the UK, but the increase in rapid chargers has not kept apace, and there are now queues to charge at many charger sites. And charging sites do not have the space and facilities for users to queue in an orderly manner. We need a massive increase in charging megasites (with lots of rapid chargers).
Want to say a big big thanks to you both Tish and Eilis for your work on the channel. It was because of this, I bought my MG ZS ev. Completely converted to electric ⚡️ Cheers guys 👍
That's awesome to know. We are on the waiting list to get one delivered to New Zealand, but there's quite a delay.. It sounds like the wait will be well worthwhile!
We took the plunge last year and went from 2 petrol cars to 3 electric; a BMW I3, an Enyaq 60 and a 7 year old Zoe 22kw which has done 53k miles and still manages 80+ miles showing very little loss of battery capacity.
If it's of interest, a lovely chap called Roger Warner has his own You Tube channel dedicated to wheelchair users - Warner's Wheeling About. Well worth a watch - he's currently 'auditing' rapid charge point accessibility around the UK.
Current EV drivers will of course prefer battery power over internal combustion power as they made that choice to switch. But it’s a shame you didn’t meet with petrol, diesel or hybrid motorists to get their take on EV’s as a more balanced approach. That comment about batteries outlasting an internal combustion engine? Really? And sorry Paul, driver aids taking the strain off the driver are not bespoke to EV’s either. And as for the £75 recharge cost for a journey from Chester to Bournemouth. My 3.5 litre V6 two ton Lexus RX450h could cover the same distance in extreme comfort and refinement for less than £55 in fuel cost without having to stop for at least 1/2 hour to recharge. So where’s the EV advantage there? So in summary, no real benefits to EV motoring aside zero emissions, that for me is the sole single benefit over ICE vehicles but the disadvantages in EV limited range, lengthy recharging times (when you can find a working and vacant charging station) and the higher purchase prices don’t stack up. Not to mention the environmental impact on mining the materials for battery production. I remain unconvinced EV’s are the future of personal transport. It’s a stop-gap technology at best in my opinion whilst carbon neutral fuels and Hydrogen Fuel Cell technologies are better developed.
There is no practical reason why an EV battery pack should not remain usable/viable for 20+ years. When the battery degrades - which typically occurs at a rate of 2 to 3% per year - you can have the battery pack refurbished, at much less cost than having it totally replaced. Cleveleys Electric Vehicles in Gloucestershire, carried out a battery pack refurb on a 10 year old Nissan Leaf around 3 years ago. The refurb took 4 hours, and the cost was £500. So, around the same as fitting a new clutch to an ICE car....
@@Brian-om2hh interesting reply. At 2% to 3% degradation per year, that suggests that battery pack range will be 20% to 30% less after 10 years depending on use, mileage and charge frequency. Plus the drop off in efficiency during the winter. By comparison, a modern ICE engine expected life span is 20 to 30 years or at least 200,000 miles without significant loss of power and efficiency so I still fail to see how pure battery power stacks up. For me, there are just too many disadvantages with electric cars as I explained in my earlier comment and one would not suit my lifestyle at all but I respect each to their own.
Sadly, I think contributor Gill's maths skills leave something to be desired...! Firstly, she said that she can recharge her 64kWh E-Niro overnight for about £4... Yes, if she could cram in all 64kWh within the 4 hour 7.5p/kWh overnight cheap tariff... which you can't... On a regular 7kW wall box, 4 hours gets you (4 x 7) 28kWh of charge which, at 7.5p/kWh = £2.10. But, the remaining (64-28) 36kW would cost the 'day-rate' of 38p/kWh = £13.68. So, her total cost for an overnight, 0-100% home charge would actually be £15.78... Still considerably cheaper than the £40+ that a 50mpg ICE car would cost to cover the same 275 miles, but still she was factually incorrect... Oh and her return trip from Chester to Bournemouth is 404 miles. The E-Niro is super-efficient and gets around 4.5 miles/kWh minimum even at motorway speeds, so that would use up around 90 kW of battery, which, even at the most expensive rapid charger prices of 69p/kWh would have cost £62, the equivalent of an ICE car doing about 50mpg. If she'd have charged back up at a Tesco or Lidl rapid for 28p/kWh, that would've only cost £25, the equivalent of an ICE car doing 122mpg...!
Tish etc. Come and see us, near Harleston Suffolk. 7 years EV, first Zoe on PCP 100 miles range, but went to Outer Hebrides, my assistant good planner. Now bought a Kona, excellent car. Twice to Outer Hebrides. I am IT person and I know everything technical about EV's. Alan x
Great format Had a Tesla 11 months and driven twice to Scotland in the Orkneys from Cornwall Going to Portugal in January Keep up the good work If you come in o Cornwall say Hi
Great review ladies, however I have a EV and enjoy the car immensely. However where I live there isn't a lot of chargers where I live and with living in a terraced house the council have blocked me from having a charger installed with no help options available. Even with a garage and a drive way in my Case. So I am having to solely rely on charging on the public network which gets very expensive. If the country is planning on going electric they need to resolve this issue with people in terraced houses or flat's with no drive ways can have EV's.
Charger accessibility is far from equal across the UK, and you're right in saying that there is still a LOAD of work still to be done. There'll be so many people encountering the same problem as you that really a solution for those in flats/terraces is needed asap. Lamp post chargers are great but in only takes two non-EVs to park in front of it for you to be without a charger indefinitely. There's got to be a way!
Not many people own a petrol station at home either !! We need the manufacturers to stop limiting charge speeds, and for the charger companies to have their arses kicked by government.
If you have a fairly modern electrical system and a socket in your garage just charge it on the domestic socket. The wire needs to be 2.5 mm you'll charge slowly at 2kwh but that will put 80 miles in the battery overnight. I've done that for a couple of years
If your local council won't allow a home charger then this is a very bad look for them... Maybe write to your local MP and tell them it's backwards to not allow home chargers to be fitted. Maybe even go to your local newspaper.
Interesting point about charging at home being easier for wheelchair users! I’ve found the content about Accessibility really interesting but so far in regards to charging the conversation seems to be about how public charging needs to be more accessible, it’s super interesting to think about the flip side of that with home changing. Also perhaps grazing at the shops or wherever on a slower charger with an ideally thinner and more manageable lead might also suit them. So fast charging is something that still needs to be fixed but it’s good to know that home changing might help make EVs more accessible then they otherwise might have been.
Here's a bit of reality: my 2020 full electric ioniq refused to budge 6 weeks ago because a fault in the audio system was constantly draining the 12v battery that runs all the car's electronics. And supply chain issues mean I can't get a replacement audio system - and therefore can't use the ioniq - until mid October.
Good format idea but didn’t live up to the title. Needed a bit more depth to the information and some of the problems experienced. I can’t find it now but you did a really balanced one a while back where you compared EV to ICE emissions. Needs to be that level to live up to title
Maybe because they put out the info on their twitter page which only has 1600+ followers. Hopefully more people will get in touch with them after this video. Would love to hear more from EV owners.
Hi. I have a Hyundai Kona electric 64kw from new, via Motorbility. Whilst we had to wait 6 months for delivery it has been worth it. Previously we had the diesel Peugeot version of the e Citroen you have. We have a BP subscription so tend to use their chargers. Just recently we went from Welling Kent to Birmingham on a red hot day with the car at 89% and cooling set to auto. We arrived at our Holiday Inn hotel (it has a BP charger!) at 42%. Filled the battery to 100%, (naughty, I know).Returned home on another red hot day and arrived with 49%. Included in this was a 2 hr sit in the car on utility mode waiting for something, with the aircon running to keep cool! We have 280 miles in the tank at the moment so cost for 1,418 miles (including the full tank), is £66:15. I occasionally plug in at Tesco and get 6/8 kw for free whilst I shop. That’s maybe 3 times a week. I’m very pleased with the car, but also the cost of running the car. And there are loads of chargers about!
I would love to go EV but I live in a flat with nowhere to charge. From other videos I’ve seen it’s very tricky to live with an EV when you have to rely on the infrastructure. Maybe look for these people?
Top comment. I seriously researched buying an EV in 2021 and rejected the idea because we are unable to charge at home and the local public charger network is next to none ( this in NW London!) and has not expanded at all in the 3 years since I started my research. The problem with research articles that are limited to existing EV owners is that they are bound to put the best light on ownership.
I did my own interview with an EV owner. I had a chat with a Leaf owner after spotting him losing his rag near our local charging station. He said the chargers were installed by BP a year ago. He was reliant on public charging and they were always out of order for weeks at a time. We also have a CYC station at a local park and ride site. These apparently get vandalised regularly. The Leaf owner told me the next nearest chargers were 2.5 miles away and he often has to queue at those. This is in on the edge of a big city - we are hardly flush with EV charging stations.
Love this format, mainly because there is such a mismatch between how you think about EV's after watching reviews and what it is like in real life. Paul brings up a very interesting point for example. Often in de specs of an EV, you read about the fast charging times, but in reality, you rarely even fast charge. If you stick to the Always Be Charging strategy when parked, you never really have to think about it during travelling and it is cheaper as well. I own a Hyuandai Kona and drive around 10k miles a year. For long trips (+/- 200 miles) I just start driving and about half way through, I just play a little with the navigation system and out pops a charging station nearby my destination. At first I considered buying an electric scooter and put it in the trunk, just in case the charging station was far away from my destination, but so far I've always managed. My point is really that many reviews tall about "is it a fast as a Tesla?" Or "can I charge it in 5 minutes?" But what actually is the best feature of driving an EV is the comfort of driving, the low maintenance cost, the reduction of exhaust fumes and (with the current gas prices) low mileage cost.
That was interesting! My own experience of having started EV driving last December mirrors both your owners and it is still a novelty whisking along in near silence and being able to charge at home. I love EVs!
Having owned Berlingo & Tepee's for years the versatility of these vehicles is immense. Okay virtually no street cred and not very fast but you can load them up with almost anything, low loading boot, sliding doors, easily removable seats - it's basically a van with a smidge more comfort. Peugeot & Citroen build these cheap and to a budget but I'm very pleased to see an EV version as well and will keep a close eye on pricing. Thanks for the review.
Great format! Hearing from owners is an awesome way to help drive conversion based on the testimonials of people who live with EVs. Well done! And yes please, more please.
👍 i dont have ev . i have a emtb though. what I want to know how does someone living in a a terraced house who cant always park outside there home charge the vehicle. How do you charge a ecar without causing a obstruction to the pavement with charging cables trailing from house to the vehicle? sure you can charge at a charge point but what if you work all hours god sends and the little free time you have you dont want to drive somewhere else to charge. Just a question 🙂.
Paul, you need to speak to your Local Council. Most Local Authorities can access Government grants to install either free standing charging bollards, or a grid in the pavement outside your home, to allow a charging cable to pass beneath the surface of the pavement. The grants are there, the Local Council just has to apply for them. But to begin the process, you need to speak to them, regarding a charging facility on the street.
I think the major thing about the cost perception is that EVs haven't been around long enough for a good used car market to develop. There are older models like the Leaf, but then range can be an issue. However, the latest models coming out compare quite favourably on price with diesel equivalents and the gap between petrol and electric is narrowing all the time.
I leased a Kia E Niro 4+ that I have now had for 18 months and it is costing £405 per month with extra electric cost around £20 and that is my toatal spend on the car to do 10,000 miles per year. The lease looks after any maintenance as I added it as an option. Car does 260 miles in Summer and worst case was January 3 degree temps and did 210 miles including leaving car for 14 nights. Arrived back home with 10 miles left , so 220 miles in winter when fully loaded with 3 adults and 66kg of luggage! Longest trip was Lincoln to Disneyland Paris, 870 miles and we only charged when we stopped to grab a drink, waiting for Euro Tunnel etc. Free charges at Euro Tunnel and Disneyland Paris meant total cost for the trip was £30. I am lucky to have a driveway so most charges are done at a cheaper night rate 95% of the time. It also lets me drive at proper speed limits to have these results and I am not having to drive slowly. Finally the EV is much more relaxing to drive and be stuck in a traffic queue, they often have more advanced adaptive cruis control and this is fantastic.
Yes please more videos like this perhaps focusing upon second hand EV ownership experiences as well as affordable EV's . We bought our first EV 18 months ago a Zoe in which we have done 17K miles without any probem or ever running out of battery. We regularly travel 600 miles from the N.E. of Scotland to Hampshire and in June were in South Uist. Public Charging no problem.
Yeah, I enjoyed that. Just got our first ev, Hyundai Ioniq 38kWh used. Only had it a fortnight but I did huge amounts of research for two years on RUclips, wasn't expecting to get it so soon. Little accident wrote of our poor old ice car and some clever financial jiggery-pokery by my wife and here we are...no lease or PCP btw. We can't charge at home so ZapMap is our friend, free charge at Tesco and a Swarco up the hill, plus another rapid at the Premier Inn etc etc. Not bad for the Kent countryside. Edit: I'm in my sixties and don't do those other social media things so missed the news about your travels.
55000 miles later, never run out of charge and have paid for the extra expense two fold. Love my e-golf. Great video format. Would love to discuss warts and all E.V. ownership.
That was a very interesting video! Only passed my driving test in January this year, but if I could get an EV I definitely would, and the idea of finance options sounds like it could be the way to go. I only do short journeys daily, so this would save me a lot of money on fuel.
Great video. Well done for taking a Berlingo, and a low-spec version, so clever, so real. You both are much better than traditional car only journos who always pick the top spec version, which often can feel a lot nicer, which then fools the viewer. Yours is not a flash monkey car. Thank you. This is the sort of real car people buy for its features, not for the flash image. Kudos to you.
I have had an electric car for 6 years now. It has done only about 30 k miles. I live in the temperate North East of England. My car has now only got 9 battery bars left out of 12 with a loss of 1/4 of the traction battery's original capacity and range. The car has never been overcharged, abused or over - rapid charged. I have found long distance driving in that time hopeless with bad reliability, in use chargers, not enough chargers, iced chargers, chargers positioned without roofs, in the dark and leaving the operator open to muggings and possibly even rape because of it's dark isolated charger siting. As well as this long distance driving is much slower than ice because of all the charging time required on route ( a toilet stop takes 5 minutes, not 3/4 of an hour ). The result is i do not drive outside the electric car's home charger umbilical cord range any more, out of bitter experience and always use one of our other ice cars for reliable and quick long distance journeys. The car was comparatively much more to purchase than an ice car and around town is the only thing that the electric car is good at, on cheap octopus night time energy. I would not buy another electric car again out of personal choice. There is so much misinformation and quite frankly propaganda promoting a vehicle that is logistically inferior and much more expensive than what we already have. Hot presenters do not change reality unfortunately either.
It's great to hear from users of EVs and I would like to hear more from them so please do more videos like this. Some feedback would be that them agreeing with both of you about something you all agree didn't really answer any of my questions. It would be nice to dive into some answers and get more detail. e.g. "Do you have any problems with range? " they reply "No". Can we ask why? Have they needed to change their behaviour slightly? Do they not do many long journeys? etc.
Great format, more of the same please if possible. Very informative. It would be interesting to hear from someone very rural where public charging points are more sparse. I agree, having a home charger is a cost worse shelling out on, however do not automatically think it’s cheaper to charge off peak, check what electricity plan you are on.
I swapped from a Honda civic type R to a Honda E last autumn. Part of the reason I swapped is because I get fatigued easily and was struggling with driving my old car. I live in a terrace, and can't charge at home. I am so happy with taking the plunge.
Speak to your Local Council Melanie. They can access Government funding to install either a free standing charging bollard at or near your home, or they can install a grid in the pavement outside your house, to allow a charging cable to pass beneath the surface of the pavement. The funding is available to most Local Authorities. All they need to do is to apply for it. But you will need to begin the process by asking for the facility to charge your EV....
Can you do a video with Paul about public chargers for people with disabilities and a big charger network so we can discuss how chargers can change going forward to help with people with disabilities
Terminology, I think one of the issues that people need to get educated about is the terms used for ICE cars vs EV vehicles. It can be very confusing understanding what KW, kw/h, miles per kw/h, watts per mile mean if you have always driven a gas/diesel car.
It’s true. Most people aren’t electricians or physicists/engineers. Electricity is much like a river: Voltage - how fast the water flows (its speed). Amperage - volume of water coming down the river at any one time (how many gallons). Wattage: total amount of electricity (water) coming down the wire (river). Speed times volume. Amperage x Voltage = Wattage. A kilowatt is just 1000 watts. A kilowatt hour is how many thousands of watts flow in an hour (or how much water a river transports in an hour). Hope that helps!
I had a loan car, I am unable to charge at home as I don't have a driveway, so charging was expensive as I could only charge in a car park which closes early and parking fees are high, sadly in the area I live in, charge points are few and far between, and not readily available for someone who works shifts and long hours, that was the downside, as for the car, if I could afford to buy one I would, the car was brilliant, fairly basic which works for me being old and having no understanding of technology, another downside was that I pay everything in cash, if I haven't got it, I can't spend it, I had to get a bank card, the first time in my life I had to get a bank card, I also had to ask a passer by how to use the card, because I've always dealt with cash, the bank won't give me a loan and as I have a zero credit score, I am unable to get any form of finance, the car I had cost more than my house!!! Like the car but it is pushing older people like myself to use and mess up with technology which when you don't have anyone to turn to or ask is what will put people off buying an electric vehicle
My wife’s Vauxhall Corsa e broke down on the 3rd February with 3845 miles on the clock and less than 18 months old, to date it’s been a nightmare. Took 3 weeks just to have moved to a dealership and then nothing, failed to answer phones or return our calls on visiting after 5 weeks found it abandoned in the car park with roadcones around it. Chased Vauxhall customer service, took 9 days to get a call back and since then hardly any contact or calls, even no reply to messages with left or emails, the one thing we managed to find out was it had been taken to Coventry, now 4 weeks later we are still waiting to hear as to what’s wrong with it and when will it be repaired, my last email (last week) asked for repair or replace. This is not a cheap car and has cost us over a thousand pounds in payments with no offer of compensation or a loan car. Now my last option is to contact trading standards and then take legal action. I’ve owned dozens of Vauxhalls over the years and my car is a Vauxhall Sports Tourer, but NEVER AGAIN AND ESPECIALLY AN ELECTRIC VEHICLE FROM THEM. Dealership no idea and Vauxhall themselves appear the same on how to repair a car that’s was fine, parked for 2 hours and then broken down when it was tried to be used again. Oh and when Vauxhall Assist (RAC) attended we got ‘yep it’s broken’.
So I'm all for electric cars, but as 43 % of the electric needed is from renewable sources it means 57% isn't- which means its basically a half coal car
In which case, yours must be too, because oil refineries get their electricity from exactly the same source. Even an EV charged with electricity produced via coal scores over an ICE car, because it doesn't produce any emissions in towns and cities, or anywhere else for that matter. The UK gets just 1.6% of it's energy from coal now....
Plus the pollution produced by all cars, that EV evangelist don't tell you about is the increased tyre & brake wear. An EV being much heavier than an ICE car creates more tyre & brake dust pollution. These particles have to go somewhere, they do not just magic away, even if it appears so......
I'm an EV owner living in London. Although I'm spoilt for choice in terms of the number of chargers, most of them are slow chargers 5-7kw. There's hardly any rapid chargers.
Thanks for this - great stuff, but needs a few more people interviewed in the one video. I've had my 28kWh Ioniq Electric for 2.5 years now and wouldn't dream of going back. I have no off-street charging, but Portsmouth has a lot of lamp-post chargers, so I've never had a problem. I've also done lots of 400 mile journeys and rarely had issues with rapid chargers - just requires some planning. I'd love to do an interview if you want someone who can't charge off-street, although my situation is a little easier since they installed a charger in the pavement outside my house, so not quite typical!
Let Eilish drive the car PLEASE! No need to have some type of issue with others driving plus being a taller driver will give a different perspective on the vehicle and how it will work for the taller driver plus gives a contrast of opinion to yours Tish. I actually love seeing Eilish reviewing cars as being a taller driver myself means more to me and gives me more information. As for the video interesting concept, matter of finding the people who want to be in front of camera as well.
I like the channel but, this wasn't a very well thought out video in my opinion. - We don't get to the actual relevant content of the video until more than half way through - The first of two owners has vested interest in promoting EVs, which unfortunately discredits their opinion somewhat - Not many of the actual concerns of non-EV owners are addressed - The concerns/issues/answers are not well structured for ease of viewing, hidden amongst the irrelevant details and fluff For this truly to be a useful resource for helping to dispel misinformation around EV ownership, remove the filler and fluff, and address the primary concerns/myths using facts and research data in well structured and navigable manner.
Great video, and I enjoyed the format of it. I'm a relatively new subscriber to your channel too. However, I have rather a long wait until my EV arrives. I ordered it in June and it doesn't arrive until Feb next year.
Hi there, all the way from Tasmania, Australia. I really enjoy your channel and relaxed presenting style. I'm quite keen on a MINI Cooper SE, which obviously gets bagged out because of it's perceived lack of range. Where I live though, that really wouldn't be an issue. Tasmania is a small place. My question is, do you think there has become too much of an emphasis on maximum range, at the expense of sustainability, with regards to electric cars? Smaller, lighter cars with little batteries are surely a better proposition for the majority of people? From a resource perspective anyway. It would be interesting to hear your views on that, as more and more long range electric cars are announced. Do we really need such long range cars? Anyway, thanks for another great video.
This is not a critique of electric vehicles, I just still hear this a lot on different channels. I wanna stress that automatic gearbox is so very common on ICE vehicles so it’s not really relevant to promote as a general benefit of EVs, unless of course you are manually shifting gears - still - in 2022. And assisted features like lane assist is mentioned by a user as a technology that came with EVs, of course, it is not exclusive to them.
Batteries don't really "die" they just give you less range. As time passes you'll still be driving along like you were on day one.. you just won't go as far. So I dunno why people "freak out" about batteries 🤷 All the reasons people buy an electric car still exist on your last day with an ev. You're still saving boatloads on fuel and you're still helping the environment. If you REALLY hate any potential bad from lithium batteries though.. know that OTHER types of batteries exist. And DO NOT carry the same fire risks. So if that was the only worry, you can work around that and still have all the perks of ev life 👌 Boy this rant..I mean, information sharing 😏 could go on for a while lol. So I'll just end it there 🤙
If only you two would be riding in the Netherlands :). But no fun with me, coarse i am totally EV minded already. Have none, and saving up will take some time, but EV is nr.1 on the bucketlist.
No way that the electric battery can outlast the internal combustion engine. Maybe in future with new types of battery. Having said that I like EVs. It is still over-priced at present. Over time, hopefully price will come down and the day will come whey it would become mainstream.
Whatcha mean “no way?” Where’s you get your physics degree? Modern lithium-ion batteries ABSOLUTELY outlast ICEs. Tons of Teslas and others out there with over 300k miles on them and still charging to 80% no problem.
Had a Zoe EV for 3 years, love it but know its limitations. Sorry, not it's limitations, but the limits on its use owing to our Micky Mouse national charging provision and lack of government planning. Why wasn't I born in EV heaven, Norway? Use the Zoe for local and mid-distance trips. Public chargers are sporadic, many are slow, many dont work, some are cleverly hidden, many are expensive, partly because our useless government charges a higher VAT rate on public electricity than it does on domestic. Brilliant. Well done. I particularly like it when the charger is in a car park with a time limit. Especially when there's a queue for the 2 out of 4 working chargers and one of tge in use ones is owned by an inconsiderate twonk who has charged but is having a snack and doesnt care. So, EVing is ok if you have no tight deadlines and dont mind spending a shed-load on coffees while you charge. It's hard to imagine a full EV nation by 2030 when new ICE cars wont be for sale. It'll be hybrids for long trips and hopefully CHEAPER small/medium EVs for other trips. Thought of getting a bigger EV I could afford eg MG 5 estate. Delivery time? 10 months. Ridiculous! There's a long way to go ...
Great review, I think we have found the female Mortimer and Whitehouse. I am going to run my kia picanto into the ground, and lease a Citroën Ami. Any, long trips I will use public transport if any is left!
According to the Kia website it costs around £509 per month for 37 months plus a deposit of £3,625 for an E-Niro on PCP. Not exactly cheap, although a bigger deposit would reduce the monthly payment. Plus no petrol costs would help towards monthly expenditure.
There's the sheer convenience factor too, if you can readily charge at home. I haven't set foot on a petrol station forecourt for over 2 years now.....
@@AndrewKNI For now indeed Andrew. But of course once Road Tolls do finally materialise, they will apply to all vehicles, not just electric cars. But another sting in the tail awaits the drivers of older cars and vans who regularly want or need to access towns and cities. Clean Air Charging zones. They're in the pipeline, and will make an appearance in many more UK towns and cities in the next few years. Ironically, they will help to keep the value of used EV's higher, which in a way, is slightly counter-productive......if the uptake of EV's is to be encouraged.
I own a Peugeot e208. I do not have access to charge at home, so rely on public chargers. I have had many people tell me it is not possible to run a BEV without a driveway and access to home charging. I drive a 60 mile round trip each day for work. When it comes to charging, I have set myself a routine where if I am charging during the week, I will take books with me to mark while I have a coffee, as I am a teacher and it is a time that forces me to sit and get a bit of work done. At the weekend, I will charge the car fully while I go for a walk, utilising some of my exercise time while the car is charging. When it comes to cost, I am spending half as much money on charging than I was paying for petrol to complete the same journeys. I once had an issue with a charging point that I regularly use near my workplace, but I drove half a mile down to road to a different charge point, so there is always access to charging points even here in Lancashire.
Dear ladies I am thinking of having a fiat 500EV on mobility scheme in 2 years I have done 8500km with my fiat 500 l so is it going to be convenient for me to have a EV and I live in a ground floor flat and not able to home charge please may you give you opinion thank you for your service and dedication
@@afcgeo882 thank sir for your advice yes I think a hybrid is more better option for me as I am a fiat lover I grew up with fiat cars I will consider a panda or 500 hybrid have a lovely day 👍
@@antoniodimascio5340 The world would be a better place if everyone bought hybrids instead of some of us buying EVs. An EV, on average, has 70x the batteries than an average hybrid. Those batteries are a rarity now, and the price of them has gone up a lot. We should all drive hybrids, and start switching to plug-in hybrids over the next decade. Then we can make the switches to EVs, once there’s more infrastructure. Don’t forget that the Tipo, 500x and Jeep Renegade (really a Fiat) come in hybrid too. Examples: Toyota Rav4 Hybrid battery size - 1.6 kWh Toyota Rav4 PHEV battery size - 18.1 kWh Toyota bZ4X battery size - 72.8 kWh
@@afcgeo882 Hybrids rely on fossil fuel, which has no long term future...... With large lithium deposits in Russia, China, South Africa, the US, Canada, Australia, Chile, Brazil, the Congo, and Cornwall in the UK, why are EV batteries a rarity George? There are 30'000 public charging connections in the UK already George, with a further 30'000 being installed in 2022 alone. Plus Shell are to install 50'000 kerbside charging bollards in UK towns and cities by 2025.... And Gridserve and Ionity are also doing their bit too...
Been to Somerset this week...500 miles of travel, on 1 tank of fuel...honda jazz petrol...quality ..I drove an electric milk float 45 years ago, and they were naff..looks like we back in time, and trying it again 😂😂😂 oh yeh, and my petrol fill up took 5 minutes ..now that's a result..
After your 5 minute fill did you then park it at home overnight, where an EV can fully charge, can’t do that with an ICE car. 500 miles = 55.3mpg, exactly what the Honda website shows🤔, and would require you to have started brim full and arrive back bone dry empty? Are you sure Wayne?
@@ratbert1 typical moronic EV operator reply..more money than sense...5 minutes to fill at start of journey..500 miles done without another stop..will fill again tomorrow on way to work for another 5 minutes..Now what don't you understand, Mr I love waiting around aimlessly at EV charge points for hours on end..I gotta life to live, I suggest you sell you overpriced milk float, and buy a petrol car..😂😂😂😂
@@jamed63 yes, you must...if you take advanced driving course, they will teach you to drive safely, and economically..try it, and learn, then you wouldn't need to rely on stupid grossly overpriced EVS....simples 👍👍👍
@@waynekerrr9027 I never said I have an EV. My MX 5 will do 42mpg if I drive like a nun, so that gets me about 320 miles, but the lead boots make it more fun. As for EV's, you don't have to have one, petrol cars will be available till 2030 and petrol hybrid until 2035 and 2nd hand long after that, I don't plan to ever sell my MX5.
I had to change my engine on a Fiat Panda after 550.000 km with proper maintenance, you will definetely change your batteries before 300.000 K . So do not spread lies and lies all over the place. People are selling Nissan Leafs with 150.000 Km stating that they need a battery change or partial replacement
Mmm, yet another who hasn't heard of battery pack refurbishments..... Yes, and those older Nissan Leafs can usually get a battery pack refurbishment done for the cost of a clutch swap in an ICE car......which makes them a bargain if you get one at the right price.
RANGE ANXIETY…….. before I bought my 2018 second hand Leaf, I thought that I would be constantly worrying about miles left in the battery. But after 12 months of owning it, that just doesn’t enter my head any more, and I’ve done several long trips, without a problem (apart from the prices charged on motorways, which is the same for petrol and derv, let’s face it!)…….. now I’m starting to consider whether to upgrade to a newer, or new, EV, maybe with more range than the Leaf, though that’s never been a problem. I’d never go back to an ICE motor……thanks for a great show, always……Tony (Tamworth, if you’re ever passing!)…….
I'm about to make the step to a full BEV, and have been talking to other BEV owners for the last year or so. Recently the main concern seems to be about the unavailability of public chargers. Not the lack of them, the unreliability or price, but the fact they are all occupied by hybrids that block access to full BEV cars for hours at a time. In fact our local pub/restaurant has 2 chargers, and one is signposted that it is for fully electic vehicle only - no hybrids.
@@afcgeo882 I think what they are saying is that a Hybrid does not need to top up the battery to run - can always use the ICE engine, whereas a BEV is totally reliant on the charger network once away from home/work.
@@rogerevans425 But a PHEV basically runs as a BEV most of the time. The whole point of them is to run on electric charging as much as possible. The issue here is someone who wasn’t taught to share.
@@afcgeo882 A PHEV only runs as a BEV if the battery is kept charged up George. A typical PHEV has used it's battery up in 30 miles or so, and has to use it's engine.
@@Brian-om2hh And the vast majority of PHEV users run it solely on charging over 80% of the time. Try trolling where people are more stupid. Maybe you’ll succeed then.
I like this type of format. Another idea could be to interview a low income family that are making a ev work for them, I've never seen this, but there must be examples out there.
Low income and EV 🤣
@@scotlandsk right here we are very low income and are picking up our EV next month as we can't afford petrol anymore
@@ChazWyvern What till Jan 23 (300% increase year on year) when Electricity is more expensive than petrol, and ask was it worth it?
I like you, you're funny🤣 xx
@@ChazWyvern Bad move. EV motoring was only ever intended to be cheap until enough people had them. Long term (when you are paying for every mile you drive, & the cost of charging your car is very high) it will work out just as expensive as running an ICE car, may be more......
I do not think the answer for the higher price of EV's is to go in larger debt.
In which case, it might be a better idea to buy a used EV instead. I've seen used EV's for sale at £6k...
@@Brian-om2hh depends on how old that used EV is…Would I buy a 10 year old EV? Absolutely not for the same reason I wouldn’t buy a 10 year old HEV (currently own a hybrid btw).
There is a real problem developing in the UK when travelling distances - we just completed a 310 mile trip from Sussex to St Helens in Merseyside, with a planned short stop seeing friends near Banbury (Chipping Norton). We started with 80% charge in our EQC, and stopped at Beaconsfield Services on the M40 - all 4 Gridserve, and all 4 Ionity chargers, were occupied, with other EVs queuing as well! My wife persuaded me to try Oxford services - the 2 (!!) Gridserve chargers there were occupied, and although there were quite a number of Tesla chargers there, Tesla are not running their pilot scheme for non-Tesla owners at this site. So we ended up taking a detour to the Banbury Instavolt charging site - we were to be user 10 charging, out of a total of 16 rapid chargers (just looked now, at 1:40am, and 14 of the 16 chargers are occupied!).
There has been a marked increase in EV ownership in the UK, but the increase in rapid chargers has not kept apace, and there are now queues to charge at many charger sites. And charging sites do not have the space and facilities for users to queue in an orderly manner. We need a massive increase in charging megasites (with lots of rapid chargers).
Want to say a big big thanks to you both Tish and Eilis for your work on the channel. It was because of this, I bought my MG ZS ev. Completely converted to electric ⚡️
Cheers guys 👍
That's awesome to know. We are on the waiting list to get one delivered to New Zealand, but there's quite a delay.. It sounds like the wait will be well worthwhile!
@@mdnickless you won’t be disappointed mate.
We took the plunge last year and went from 2 petrol cars to 3 electric; a BMW I3, an Enyaq 60 and a 7 year old Zoe 22kw which has done 53k miles and still manages 80+ miles showing very little loss of battery capacity.
Brilliant... the first Wheelchair user to give a review of their experience with an EV.. Thank you ladies.. (Phil)
If it's of interest, a lovely chap called Roger Warner has his own You Tube channel dedicated to wheelchair users - Warner's Wheeling About.
Well worth a watch - he's currently 'auditing' rapid charge point accessibility around the UK.
@@jonathantaylor1998 Thanks Jonathan, I’ll take a look.. (Phil)
Paul's point about lessening strain on the driver is brilliant 👍
Current EV drivers will of course prefer battery power over internal combustion power as they made that choice to switch. But it’s a shame you didn’t meet with petrol, diesel or hybrid motorists to get their take on EV’s as a more balanced approach. That comment about batteries outlasting an internal combustion engine? Really? And sorry Paul, driver aids taking the strain off the driver are not bespoke to EV’s either.
And as for the £75 recharge cost for a journey from Chester to Bournemouth. My 3.5 litre V6 two ton Lexus RX450h could cover the same distance in extreme comfort and refinement for less than £55 in fuel cost without having to stop for at least 1/2 hour to recharge. So where’s the EV advantage there?
So in summary, no real benefits to EV motoring aside zero emissions, that for me is the sole single benefit over ICE vehicles but the disadvantages in EV limited range, lengthy recharging times (when you can find a working and vacant charging station) and the higher purchase prices don’t stack up. Not to mention the environmental impact on mining the materials for battery production.
I remain unconvinced EV’s are the future of personal transport. It’s a stop-gap technology at best in my opinion whilst carbon neutral fuels and Hydrogen Fuel Cell technologies are better developed.
There is no practical reason why an EV battery pack should not remain usable/viable for 20+ years. When the battery degrades - which typically occurs at a rate of 2 to 3% per year - you can have the battery pack refurbished, at much less cost than having it totally replaced. Cleveleys Electric Vehicles in Gloucestershire, carried out a battery pack refurb on a 10 year old Nissan Leaf around 3 years ago. The refurb took 4 hours, and the cost was £500. So, around the same as fitting a new clutch to an ICE car....
@@Brian-om2hh interesting reply. At 2% to 3% degradation per year, that suggests that battery pack range will be 20% to 30% less after 10 years depending on use, mileage and charge frequency. Plus the drop off in efficiency during the winter. By comparison, a modern ICE engine expected life span is 20 to 30 years or at least 200,000 miles without significant loss of power and efficiency so I still fail to see how pure battery power stacks up. For me, there are just too many disadvantages with electric cars as I explained in my earlier comment and one would not suit my lifestyle at all but I respect each to their own.
Sadly, I think contributor Gill's maths skills leave something to be desired...!
Firstly, she said that she can recharge her 64kWh E-Niro overnight for about £4...
Yes, if she could cram in all 64kWh within the 4 hour 7.5p/kWh overnight cheap tariff... which you can't...
On a regular 7kW wall box, 4 hours gets you (4 x 7) 28kWh of charge which, at 7.5p/kWh = £2.10.
But, the remaining (64-28) 36kW would cost the 'day-rate' of 38p/kWh = £13.68.
So, her total cost for an overnight, 0-100% home charge would actually be £15.78...
Still considerably cheaper than the £40+ that a 50mpg ICE car would cost to cover the same 275 miles, but still she was factually incorrect...
Oh and her return trip from Chester to Bournemouth is 404 miles. The E-Niro is super-efficient and gets around 4.5 miles/kWh minimum even at motorway speeds, so that would use up around 90 kW of battery, which, even at the most expensive rapid charger prices of 69p/kWh would have cost £62, the equivalent of an ICE car doing about 50mpg.
If she'd have charged back up at a Tesco or Lidl rapid for 28p/kWh, that would've only cost £25, the equivalent of an ICE car doing 122mpg...!
Tish etc. Come and see us, near Harleston Suffolk. 7 years EV, first Zoe on PCP 100 miles range, but went to Outer Hebrides, my assistant good planner. Now bought a Kona, excellent car. Twice to Outer Hebrides. I am IT person and I know everything technical about EV's. Alan x
Great format
Had a Tesla 11 months and driven twice to Scotland in the Orkneys from Cornwall
Going to Portugal in January
Keep up the good work
If you come in o Cornwall say Hi
Great review ladies, however I have a EV and enjoy the car immensely. However where I live there isn't a lot of chargers where I live and with living in a terraced house the council have blocked me from having a charger installed with no help options available. Even with a garage and a drive way in my Case. So I am having to solely rely on charging on the public network which gets very expensive. If the country is planning on going electric they need to resolve this issue with people in terraced houses or flat's with no drive ways can have EV's.
Charger accessibility is far from equal across the UK, and you're right in saying that there is still a LOAD of work still to be done. There'll be so many people encountering the same problem as you that really a solution for those in flats/terraces is needed asap. Lamp post chargers are great but in only takes two non-EVs to park in front of it for you to be without a charger indefinitely. There's got to be a way!
get a petrol car then
Not many people own a petrol station at home either !! We need the manufacturers to stop limiting charge speeds, and for the charger companies to have their arses kicked by government.
If you have a fairly modern electrical system and a socket in your garage just charge it on the domestic socket. The wire needs to be 2.5 mm you'll charge slowly at 2kwh but that will put 80 miles in the battery overnight. I've done that for a couple of years
If your local council won't allow a home charger then this is a very bad look for them... Maybe write to your local MP and tell them it's backwards to not allow home chargers to be fitted. Maybe even go to your local newspaper.
Interesting point about charging at home being easier for wheelchair users! I’ve found the content about Accessibility really interesting but so far in regards to charging the conversation seems to be about how public charging needs to be more accessible, it’s super interesting to think about the flip side of that with home changing. Also perhaps grazing at the shops or wherever on a slower charger with an ideally thinner and more manageable lead might also suit them. So fast charging is something that still needs to be fixed but it’s good to know that home changing might help make EVs more accessible then they otherwise might have been.
This is a great format. I hope we'll see more videos like this in the future.
We hear you, Norbert! ⚡🤝
Here's a bit of reality: my 2020 full electric ioniq refused to budge 6 weeks ago because a fault in the audio system was constantly draining the 12v battery that runs all the car's electronics. And supply chain issues mean I can't get a replacement audio system - and therefore can't use the ioniq - until mid October.
Oh damn
And that happens to ICE cars too.
@@afcgeo882 Rubbish - on an ICE car you simply remove the fuze and carry on driving.
@@lynchetts Same. You still have fuses on BEVs. The 12v batteries function the same way on both types of vehicles.
@@afcgeo882 So why does the EV nor work then?
Good format idea but didn’t live up to the title. Needed a bit more depth to the information and some of the problems experienced. I can’t find it now but you did a really balanced one a while back where you compared EV to ICE emissions. Needs to be that level to live up to title
Maybe because they put out the info on their twitter page which only has 1600+ followers. Hopefully more people will get in touch with them after this video. Would love to hear more from EV owners.
Hi. I have a Hyundai Kona electric 64kw from new, via Motorbility.
Whilst we had to wait 6 months for delivery it has been worth it.
Previously we had the diesel Peugeot version of the e Citroen you have.
We have a BP subscription so tend to use their chargers. Just recently we went from Welling Kent to Birmingham on a red hot day with the car at 89% and cooling set to auto. We arrived at our Holiday Inn hotel (it has a BP charger!) at 42%. Filled the battery to 100%, (naughty, I know).Returned home on another red hot day and arrived with 49%. Included in this was a 2 hr sit in the car on utility mode waiting for something, with the aircon running to keep cool!
We have 280 miles in the tank at the moment so cost for 1,418 miles (including the full tank), is £66:15. I occasionally plug in at Tesco and get 6/8 kw for free whilst I shop. That’s maybe 3 times a week.
I’m very pleased with the car, but also the cost of running the car. And there are loads of chargers about!
I would love to go EV but I live in a flat with nowhere to charge. From other videos I’ve seen it’s very tricky to live with an EV when you have to rely on the infrastructure. Maybe look for these people?
Top comment. I seriously researched buying an EV in 2021 and rejected the idea because we are unable to charge at home and the local public charger network is next to none ( this in NW London!) and has not expanded at all in the 3 years since I started my research. The problem with research articles that are limited to existing EV owners is that they are bound to put the best light on ownership.
One of your most interesting videos recently. Thanks for this.
I did my own interview with an EV owner. I had a chat with a Leaf owner after spotting him losing his rag near our local charging station. He said the chargers were installed by BP a year ago. He was reliant on public charging and they were always out of order for weeks at a time. We also have a CYC station at a local park and ride site. These apparently get vandalised regularly. The Leaf owner told me the next nearest chargers were 2.5 miles away and he often has to queue at those.
This is in on the edge of a big city - we are hardly flush with EV charging stations.
You’d have to be crazy to buy a leaf these days, chademo is not the way ahead in europe…
Love this format, mainly because there is such a mismatch between how you think about EV's after watching reviews and what it is like in real life.
Paul brings up a very interesting point for example. Often in de specs of an EV, you read about the fast charging times, but in reality, you rarely even fast charge. If you stick to the Always Be Charging strategy when parked, you never really have to think about it during travelling and it is cheaper as well.
I own a Hyuandai Kona and drive around 10k miles a year. For long trips (+/- 200 miles) I just start driving and about half way through, I just play a little with the navigation system and out pops a charging station nearby my destination.
At first I considered buying an electric scooter and put it in the trunk, just in case the charging station was far away from my destination, but so far I've always managed.
My point is really that many reviews tall about "is it a fast as a Tesla?" Or "can I charge it in 5 minutes?" But what actually is the best feature of driving an EV is the comfort of driving, the low maintenance cost, the reduction of exhaust fumes and (with the current gas prices) low mileage cost.
That was interesting! My own experience of having started EV driving last December mirrors both your owners and it is still a novelty whisking along in near silence and being able to charge at home. I love EVs!
Having owned Berlingo & Tepee's for years the versatility of these vehicles is immense. Okay virtually no street cred and not very fast but you can load them up with almost anything, low loading boot, sliding doors, easily removable seats - it's basically a van with a smidge more comfort. Peugeot & Citroen build these cheap and to a budget but I'm very pleased to see an EV version as well and will keep a close eye on pricing. Thanks for the review.
Great format! Hearing from owners is an awesome way to help drive conversion based on the testimonials of people who live with EVs. Well done! And yes please, more please.
👍 i dont have ev . i have a emtb though. what I want to know how does someone living in a a terraced house who cant always park outside there home charge the vehicle. How do you charge a ecar without causing a obstruction to the pavement with charging cables trailing from house to the vehicle? sure you can charge at a charge point but what if you work all hours god sends and the little free time you have you dont want to drive somewhere else to charge. Just a question 🙂.
Paul, you need to speak to your Local Council. Most Local Authorities can access Government grants to install either free standing charging bollards, or a grid in the pavement outside your home, to allow a charging cable to pass beneath the surface of the pavement. The grants are there, the Local Council just has to apply for them. But to begin the process, you need to speak to them, regarding a charging facility on the street.
If you want my experience, let me know
I think the major thing about the cost perception is that EVs haven't been around long enough for a good used car market to develop. There are older models like the Leaf, but then range can be an issue. However, the latest models coming out compare quite favourably on price with diesel equivalents and the gap between petrol and electric is narrowing all the time.
I leased a Kia E Niro 4+ that I have now had for 18 months and it is costing £405 per month with extra electric cost around £20 and that is my toatal spend on the car to do 10,000 miles per year. The lease looks after any maintenance as I added it as an option.
Car does 260 miles in Summer and worst case was January 3 degree temps and did 210 miles including leaving car for 14 nights. Arrived back home with 10 miles left , so 220 miles in winter when fully loaded with 3 adults and 66kg of luggage!
Longest trip was Lincoln to Disneyland Paris, 870 miles and we only charged when we stopped to grab a drink, waiting for Euro Tunnel etc. Free charges at Euro Tunnel and Disneyland Paris meant total cost for the trip was £30.
I am lucky to have a driveway so most charges are done at a cheaper night rate 95% of the time. It also lets me drive at proper speed limits to have these results and I am not having to drive slowly.
Finally the EV is much more relaxing to drive and be stuck in a traffic queue, they often have more advanced adaptive cruis control and this is fantastic.
Yes please more videos like this perhaps focusing upon second hand EV ownership experiences as well as affordable EV's . We bought our first EV 18 months ago a Zoe in which we have done 17K miles without any probem or ever running out of battery. We regularly travel 600 miles from the N.E. of Scotland to Hampshire and in June were in South Uist. Public Charging no problem.
Yeah, I enjoyed that. Just got our first ev, Hyundai Ioniq 38kWh used. Only had it a fortnight but I did huge amounts of research for two years on RUclips, wasn't expecting to get it so soon. Little accident wrote of our poor old ice car and some clever financial jiggery-pokery by my wife and here we are...no lease or PCP btw.
We can't charge at home so ZapMap is our friend, free charge at Tesco and a Swarco up the hill, plus another rapid at the Premier Inn etc etc. Not bad for the Kent countryside.
Edit: I'm in my sixties and don't do those other social media things so missed the news about your travels.
you will see how it will be when reduction start to goes or high prices in the winter time!!
55000 miles later, never run out of charge and have paid for the extra expense two fold. Love my e-golf. Great video format. Would love to discuss warts and all E.V. ownership.
That was a very interesting video! Only passed my driving test in January this year, but if I could get an EV I definitely would, and the idea of finance options sounds like it could be the way to go. I only do short journeys daily, so this would save me a lot of money on fuel.
Great video. Well done for taking a Berlingo, and a low-spec version, so clever, so real. You both are much better than traditional car only journos who always pick the top spec version, which often can feel a lot nicer, which then fools the viewer. Yours is not a flash monkey car. Thank you. This is the sort of real car people buy for its features, not for the flash image. Kudos to you.
I have had an electric car for 6 years now. It has done only about 30 k miles. I live in the temperate North East of England. My car has now only got 9 battery bars left out of 12 with a loss of 1/4 of the traction battery's original capacity and range. The car has never been overcharged, abused or over - rapid charged.
I have found long distance driving in that time hopeless with bad reliability, in use chargers, not enough chargers, iced chargers, chargers positioned without roofs, in the dark and leaving the operator open to muggings and possibly even rape because of it's dark isolated charger siting.
As well as this long distance driving is much slower than ice because of all the charging time required on route ( a toilet stop takes 5 minutes, not 3/4 of an hour ). The result is i do not drive outside the electric car's home charger umbilical cord range any more, out of bitter experience and always use one of our other ice cars for reliable and quick long distance journeys. The car was comparatively much more to purchase than an ice car and around town is the only thing that the electric car is good at, on cheap octopus night time energy. I would not buy another electric car again out of personal choice. There is so much misinformation and quite frankly propaganda promoting a vehicle that is logistically inferior and much more expensive than what we already have. Hot presenters do not change reality unfortunately either.
Myths melted by The Suns
like an ice cream in Sud de France..
💕🌞🌞
It's great to hear from users of EVs and I would like to hear more from them so please do more videos like this. Some feedback would be that them agreeing with both of you about something you all agree didn't really answer any of my questions. It would be nice to dive into some answers and get more detail. e.g. "Do you have any problems with range? " they reply "No". Can we ask why? Have they needed to change their behaviour slightly? Do they not do many long journeys? etc.
Beautiful berlingo. Got the diesel and it's a beast
Cool that you got to meet a wheelchair user EV driver!
Loved this! More real-world examples please
Let's do it! 👍
Great format, more of the same please if possible. Very informative. It would be interesting to hear from someone very rural where public charging points are more sparse. I agree, having a home charger is a cost worse shelling out on, however do not automatically think it’s cheaper to charge off peak, check what electricity plan you are on.
I swapped from a Honda civic type R to a Honda E last autumn. Part of the reason I swapped is because I get fatigued easily and was struggling with driving my old car. I live in a terrace, and can't charge at home. I am so happy with taking the plunge.
Speak to your Local Council Melanie. They can access Government funding to install either a free standing charging bollard at or near your home, or they can install a grid in the pavement outside your house, to allow a charging cable to pass beneath the surface of the pavement. The funding is available to most Local Authorities. All they need to do is to apply for it. But you will need to begin the process by asking for the facility to charge your EV....
Can you do a video with Paul about public chargers for people with disabilities and a big charger network so we can discuss how chargers can change going forward to help with people with disabilities
Problem with a new Berlingo is the old one you have from 2004 is still going strong. Side note you can fit a honda c90 in a berlingo.
1:00 Oh my goad!
Yes, I met the spec, applied but never heard anything back :(
I’m fine with anything, as long as it doesn’t make Tish break down again. It was heartbreaking seeing her deal with charging difficulties.
Terminology, I think one of the issues that people need to get educated about is the terms used for ICE cars vs EV vehicles. It can be very confusing understanding what KW, kw/h, miles per kw/h, watts per mile mean if you have always driven a gas/diesel car.
It’s true. Most people aren’t electricians or physicists/engineers.
Electricity is much like a river:
Voltage - how fast the water flows (its speed).
Amperage - volume of water coming down the river at any one time (how many gallons).
Wattage: total amount of electricity (water) coming down the wire (river). Speed times volume.
Amperage x Voltage = Wattage.
A kilowatt is just 1000 watts. A kilowatt hour is how many thousands of watts flow in an hour (or how much water a river transports in an hour).
Hope that helps!
More like this please!
I had a loan car, I am unable to charge at home as I don't have a driveway, so charging was expensive as I could only charge in a car park which closes early and parking fees are high, sadly in the area I live in, charge points are few and far between, and not readily available for someone who works shifts and long hours, that was the downside, as for the car, if I could afford to buy one I would, the car was brilliant, fairly basic which works for me being old and having no understanding of technology, another downside was that I pay everything in cash, if I haven't got it, I can't spend it, I had to get a bank card, the first time in my life I had to get a bank card, I also had to ask a passer by how to use the card, because I've always dealt with cash, the bank won't give me a loan and as I have a zero credit score, I am unable to get any form of finance, the car I had cost more than my house!!! Like the car but it is pushing older people like myself to use and mess up with technology which when you don't have anyone to turn to or ask is what will put people off buying an electric vehicle
My wife’s Vauxhall Corsa e broke down on the 3rd February with 3845 miles on the clock and less than 18 months old, to date it’s been a nightmare. Took 3 weeks just to have moved to a dealership and then nothing, failed to answer phones or return our calls on visiting after 5 weeks found it abandoned in the car park with roadcones around it. Chased Vauxhall customer service, took 9 days to get a call back and since then hardly any contact or calls, even no reply to messages with left or emails, the one thing we managed to find out was it had been taken to Coventry, now 4 weeks later we are still waiting to hear as to what’s wrong with it and when will it be repaired, my last email (last week) asked for repair or replace. This is not a cheap car and has cost us over a thousand pounds in payments with no offer of compensation or a loan car. Now my last option is to contact trading standards and then take legal action. I’ve owned dozens of Vauxhalls over the years and my car is a Vauxhall Sports Tourer, but NEVER AGAIN AND ESPECIALLY AN ELECTRIC VEHICLE FROM THEM. Dealership no idea and Vauxhall themselves appear the same on how to repair a car that’s was fine, parked for 2 hours and then broken down when it was tried to be used again.
Oh and when Vauxhall Assist (RAC) attended we got ‘yep it’s broken’.
So I'm all for electric cars, but as 43 % of the electric needed is from renewable sources it means 57% isn't- which means its basically a half coal car
In which case, yours must be too, because oil refineries get their electricity from exactly the same source. Even an EV charged with electricity produced via coal scores over an ICE car, because it doesn't produce any emissions in towns and cities, or anywhere else for that matter. The UK gets just 1.6% of it's energy from coal now....
Plus the pollution produced by all cars, that EV evangelist don't tell you about is the increased tyre & brake wear. An EV being much heavier than an ICE car creates more tyre & brake dust pollution. These particles have to go somewhere, they do not just magic away, even if it appears so......
I'm an EV owner living in London. Although I'm spoilt for choice in terms of the number of chargers, most of them are slow chargers 5-7kw. There's hardly any rapid chargers.
Thanks for this - great stuff, but needs a few more people interviewed in the one video.
I've had my 28kWh Ioniq Electric for 2.5 years now and wouldn't dream of going back. I have no off-street charging, but Portsmouth has a lot of lamp-post chargers, so I've never had a problem. I've also done lots of 400 mile journeys and rarely had issues with rapid chargers - just requires some planning. I'd love to do an interview if you want someone who can't charge off-street, although my situation is a little easier since they installed a charger in the pavement outside my house, so not quite typical!
Great video! It's amazing still how many people are scared of EVs without actually owning one.
Let Eilish drive the car PLEASE! No need to have some type of issue with others driving plus being a taller driver will give a different perspective on the vehicle and how it will work for the taller driver plus gives a contrast of opinion to yours Tish. I actually love seeing Eilish reviewing cars as being a taller driver myself means more to me and gives me more information. As for the video interesting concept, matter of finding the people who want to be in front of camera as well.
We have owned our EV (i3) for 3.5 years, we love it to bits and would never go back
It matters very little what owning an EV is like if you cannot afford one🤔 Let's face it, they are hardly motoring for the masses!
I like the channel but, this wasn't a very well thought out video in my opinion.
- We don't get to the actual relevant content of the video until more than half way through
- The first of two owners has vested interest in promoting EVs, which unfortunately discredits their opinion somewhat
- Not many of the actual concerns of non-EV owners are addressed
- The concerns/issues/answers are not well structured for ease of viewing, hidden amongst the irrelevant details and fluff
For this truly to be a useful resource for helping to dispel misinformation around EV ownership, remove the filler and fluff, and address the primary concerns/myths using facts and research data in well structured and navigable manner.
Great video, and I enjoyed the format of it. I'm a relatively new subscriber to your channel too. However, I have rather a long wait until my EV arrives. I ordered it in June and it doesn't arrive until Feb next year.
Thanks for subscribing! Let us know how you get on with your new car when it arrives :)
Hi there, all the way from Tasmania, Australia. I really enjoy your channel and relaxed presenting style. I'm quite keen on a MINI Cooper SE, which obviously gets bagged out because of it's perceived lack of range. Where I live though, that really wouldn't be an issue. Tasmania is a small place. My question is, do you think there has become too much of an emphasis on maximum range, at the expense of sustainability, with regards to electric cars? Smaller, lighter cars with little batteries are surely a better proposition for the majority of people? From a resource perspective anyway. It would be interesting to hear your views on that, as more and more long range electric cars are announced. Do we really need such long range cars? Anyway, thanks for another great video.
Electric vehicles seem pretty cool, but if you're looking at the high end it can get expensive fast 😵💫
Right… Range Rovers, on the other hand…
half an hour to charge vs 2 minutes filling up my gas tank... hmm what a hard choice
Don’t know can never get it back off the misses , just left with me electric bike 😂
This is not a critique of electric vehicles, I just still hear this a lot on different channels. I wanna stress that automatic gearbox is so very common on ICE vehicles so it’s not really relevant to promote as a general benefit of EVs, unless of course you are manually shifting gears - still - in 2022. And assisted features like lane assist is mentioned by a user as a technology that came with EVs, of course, it is not exclusive to them.
Batteries don't really "die" they just give you less range. As time passes you'll still be driving along like you were on day one.. you just won't go as far. So I dunno why people "freak out" about batteries 🤷 All the reasons people buy an electric car still exist on your last day with an ev. You're still saving boatloads on fuel and you're still helping the environment.
If you REALLY hate any potential bad from lithium batteries though.. know that OTHER types of batteries exist. And DO NOT carry the same fire risks. So if that was the only worry, you can work around that and still have all the perks of ev life 👌
Boy this rant..I mean, information sharing 😏 could go on for a while lol. So I'll just end it there 🤙
The only thing I need to get an EV is the money! I’d also like one that has tow-way charging nth at I can use as home battery - please?
If only you two would be riding in the Netherlands :).
But no fun with me, coarse i am totally EV minded already. Have none, and saving up will take some time, but EV is nr.1 on the bucketlist.
No way that the electric battery can outlast the internal combustion engine. Maybe in future with new types of battery. Having said that I like EVs. It is still over-priced at present. Over time, hopefully price will come down and the day will come whey it would become mainstream.
Whatcha mean “no way?” Where’s you get your physics degree?
Modern lithium-ion batteries ABSOLUTELY outlast ICEs. Tons of Teslas and others out there with over 300k miles on them and still charging to 80% no problem.
@@afcgeo882 I usually end up wondering, when I see the words "electric battery".........
Had a Zoe EV for 3 years, love it but know its limitations. Sorry, not it's limitations, but the limits on its use owing to our Micky Mouse national charging provision and lack of government planning. Why wasn't I born in EV heaven, Norway?
Use the Zoe for local and mid-distance trips. Public chargers are sporadic, many are slow, many dont work, some are cleverly hidden, many are expensive, partly because our useless government charges a higher VAT rate on public electricity than it does on domestic. Brilliant. Well done. I particularly like it when the charger is in a car park with a time limit. Especially when there's a queue for the 2 out of 4 working chargers and one of tge in use ones is owned by an inconsiderate twonk who has charged but is having a snack and doesnt care.
So, EVing is ok if you have no tight deadlines and dont mind spending a shed-load on coffees while you charge. It's hard to imagine a full EV nation by 2030 when new ICE cars wont be for sale. It'll be hybrids for long trips and hopefully CHEAPER small/medium EVs for other trips. Thought of getting a bigger EV I could afford eg MG 5 estate. Delivery time? 10 months. Ridiculous! There's a long way to go ...
I like Eilis!
Love the video, keep em coming 👍🏻
Fully charged has a lot of competition now
I prefer is Channel now more down to earth people and Consumer products Oppose to high end stuff that the normal person can’t afford
Love this.... And their comedy timing
No hate to Fully charged tho..
Love the Bri-ish Comedy
Great review, I think we have found the female Mortimer and Whitehouse.
I am going to run my kia picanto into the ground, and lease a Citroën Ami.
Any, long trips I will use public transport if any is left!
Can you come over to Lisbon next time ))
I wish, no insta though
Love you ladies and EV's.
Great watch
Great video👏🏻👏🏻
According to the Kia website it costs around £509 per month for 37 months plus a deposit of £3,625 for an E-Niro on PCP. Not exactly cheap, although a bigger deposit would reduce the monthly payment. Plus no petrol costs would help towards monthly expenditure.
Add to that no oil changes, reduced brake wear and no worrying about coolant, transmission, etc.
@@afcgeo882 Indeed, it all helps over all plus zero road tax (for now).
There's the sheer convenience factor too, if you can readily charge at home. I haven't set foot on a petrol station forecourt for over 2 years now.....
@@AndrewKNI For now indeed Andrew. But of course once Road Tolls do finally materialise, they will apply to all vehicles, not just electric cars. But another sting in the tail awaits the drivers of older cars and vans who regularly want or need to access towns and cities. Clean Air Charging zones. They're in the pipeline, and will make an appearance in many more UK towns and cities in the next few years. Ironically, they will help to keep the value of used EV's higher, which in a way, is slightly counter-productive......if the uptake of EV's is to be encouraged.
@@afcgeo882 Or timing or fan belts, or exhaust systems etc....
You can't get this Berlingo on the motability scheme.What is going on Citroen? Why bother with motability why bother.
You guys doing an amazing job. 👌
Love your reviews but I think basing this review on two owners is a bit weak.
I only watch these videos cos i like Tish 🤣👍
I own a Peugeot e208. I do not have access to charge at home, so rely on public chargers. I have had many people tell me it is not possible to run a BEV without a driveway and access to home charging. I drive a 60 mile round trip each day for work. When it comes to charging, I have set myself a routine where if I am charging during the week, I will take books with me to mark while I have a coffee, as I am a teacher and it is a time that forces me to sit and get a bit of work done. At the weekend, I will charge the car fully while I go for a walk, utilising some of my exercise time while the car is charging. When it comes to cost, I am spending half as much money on charging than I was paying for petrol to complete the same journeys. I once had an issue with a charging point that I regularly use near my workplace, but I drove half a mile down to road to a different charge point, so there is always access to charging points even here in Lancashire.
Dear ladies I am thinking of having a fiat 500EV on mobility scheme in 2 years I have done 8500km with my fiat 500 l so is it going to be convenient for me to have a EV and I live in a ground floor flat and not able to home charge please may you give you opinion thank you for your service and dedication
Without home charging you lose most of the benefits of an EV - convenience and economy. Perhaps consider a hybrid?
@@afcgeo882 thank sir for your advice yes I think a hybrid is more better option for me as I am a fiat lover I grew up with fiat cars I will consider a panda or 500 hybrid have a lovely day 👍
@@antoniodimascio5340 The world would be a better place if everyone bought hybrids instead of some of us buying EVs. An EV, on average, has 70x the batteries than an average hybrid. Those batteries are a rarity now, and the price of them has gone up a lot. We should all drive hybrids, and start switching to plug-in hybrids over the next decade. Then we can make the switches to EVs, once there’s more infrastructure.
Don’t forget that the Tipo, 500x and Jeep Renegade (really a Fiat) come in hybrid too.
Examples:
Toyota Rav4 Hybrid battery size - 1.6 kWh
Toyota Rav4 PHEV battery size - 18.1 kWh
Toyota bZ4X battery size - 72.8 kWh
@@afcgeo882 Hybrids rely on fossil fuel, which has no long term future...... With large lithium deposits in Russia, China, South Africa, the US, Canada, Australia, Chile, Brazil, the Congo, and Cornwall in the UK, why are EV batteries a rarity George? There are 30'000 public charging connections in the UK already George, with a further 30'000 being installed in 2022 alone. Plus Shell are to install 50'000 kerbside charging bollards in UK towns and cities by 2025.... And Gridserve and Ionity are also doing their bit too...
@@Brian-om2hh Go look up cobalt production. Lithium isn’t the issue. Also… Russia and China? Can you be more tone deaf?
Another insightful piece of feedback from a disable EV user.
Great format and always good to hear different views!
Been to Somerset this week...500 miles of travel, on 1 tank of fuel...honda jazz petrol...quality ..I drove an electric milk float 45 years ago, and they were naff..looks like we back in time, and trying it again 😂😂😂 oh yeh, and my petrol fill up took 5 minutes ..now that's a result..
After your 5 minute fill did you then park it at home overnight, where an EV can fully charge, can’t do that with an ICE car.
500 miles = 55.3mpg, exactly what the Honda website shows🤔, and would require you to have started brim full and arrive back bone dry empty? Are you sure Wayne?
@@ratbert1 typical moronic EV operator reply..more money than sense...5 minutes to fill at start of journey..500 miles done without another stop..will fill again tomorrow on way to work for another 5 minutes..Now what don't you understand, Mr I love waiting around aimlessly at EV charge points for hours on end..I gotta life to live, I suggest you sell you overpriced milk float, and buy a petrol car..😂😂😂😂
I have never got 500 miles out of one fill up of a petrol car! Must have lead feet.
@@jamed63 yes, you must...if you take advanced driving course, they will teach you to drive safely, and economically..try it, and learn, then you wouldn't need to rely on stupid grossly overpriced EVS....simples 👍👍👍
@@waynekerrr9027 I never said I have an EV. My MX 5 will do 42mpg if I drive like a nun, so that gets me about 320 miles, but the lead boots make it more fun. As for EV's, you don't have to have one, petrol cars will be available till 2030 and petrol hybrid until 2035 and 2nd hand long after that, I don't plan to ever sell my MX5.
Amazing! You really bring the real deal and the information is really useful!
A longer journeys and how you plan your journey in case you are running on fumes
I had to change my engine on a Fiat Panda after 550.000 km with proper maintenance, you will definetely change your batteries before 300.000 K . So do not spread lies and lies all over the place. People are selling Nissan Leafs with 150.000 Km stating that they need a battery change or partial replacement
Mmm, yet another who hasn't heard of battery pack refurbishments..... Yes, and those older Nissan Leafs can usually get a battery pack refurbishment done for the cost of a clutch swap in an ICE car......which makes them a bargain if you get one at the right price.
Tish, let Eillis drive.
I instantly know this will be an unbiased video about EV's since the channel is named Electroheads.....
Without watching or reading! As always!
RANGE ANXIETY…….. before I bought my 2018 second hand Leaf, I thought that I would be constantly worrying about miles left in the battery. But after 12 months of owning it, that just doesn’t enter my head any more, and I’ve done several long trips, without a problem (apart from the prices charged on motorways, which is the same for petrol and derv, let’s face it!)…….. now I’m starting to consider whether to upgrade to a newer, or new, EV, maybe with more range than the Leaf, though that’s never been a problem. I’d never go back to an ICE motor……thanks for a great show, always……Tony (Tamworth, if you’re ever passing!)…….
Hmm
The new Thelma and Louise!
Joli
Blooming heck Eilis , looking better than ever .
The biggest EV haters are always those who don't own one. Ask any Tesla owner their thoughts... watch their face light up.
China is working on a EV with a manual gear box so people can feel the manual box feeling of a petrol car.
I'm about to make the step to a full BEV, and have been talking to other BEV owners for the last year or so. Recently the main concern seems to be about the unavailability of public chargers. Not the lack of them, the unreliability or price, but the fact they are all occupied by hybrids that block access to full BEV cars for hours at a time.
In fact our local pub/restaurant has 2 chargers, and one is signposted that it is for fully electic vehicle only - no hybrids.
Hybrid or full BEV, what’s the difference? It’s someone’s car that needs electric energy. Would you feel better if they were all BEVs?
@@afcgeo882 I think what they are saying is that a Hybrid does not need to top up the battery to run - can always use the ICE engine, whereas a BEV is totally reliant on the charger network once away from home/work.
@@rogerevans425 But a PHEV basically runs as a BEV most of the time. The whole point of them is to run on electric charging as much as possible. The issue here is someone who wasn’t taught to share.
@@afcgeo882 A PHEV only runs as a BEV if the battery is kept charged up George. A typical PHEV has used it's battery up in 30 miles or so, and has to use it's engine.
@@Brian-om2hh And the vast majority of PHEV users run it solely on charging over 80% of the time. Try trolling where people are more stupid. Maybe you’ll succeed then.